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Man, the way you describe how Gowther uses brainwashing to get himself a girlfriend, and mindfucks his allies for shits and giggles, it's like someone misplaced a memo that he's supposed to be a villain.
he IS a villain. just a half villain though because of the whole Demon Race things that end up destroying everyone's relationship with him around the climax of the story.
It's telling that 75% of this roast is just literally recapping the story and letting that roast itself. Which sounds like I'm saying Geoff didn't have to do much work for this episode, but that's not true, since he actually had to watch this entire show to do that and I know from personal experience that getting therapy after a deeply traumatic event is a lot of work.
"He was the true mastermind behind the the plan he was just instrumental in stopping" ah, the endless war with your own self-sabotage. Like how Geoff allowed himself to watch this show after nearly escaping it.
I laughed pretty hard when I realized he was repeating his script for Melodyass being stuck in hell for Melodyass’s little brother being stuck in hell.
I'm so happy he recapped it all. I stopped watching 7ds for the pacing issues he brought up but was originally hooked in the first like 3 episodes, quit a few times, but gave up keeping up some time pre-covid, in the great beyond. I've recently been thinking about getting back into it but holy fuck am I glad I didn't now. My heart can't take another hit after the Witcher, GoT, and Westworld
That's more a runtime thing. I feel like all he had worth saying was done in the first 15mins. But people love his video roast so the runtime isn't going to fill itself.
@@timothymclean Yeah, you can make levels work in a narrative. They just have to actually mean something to the audience. Random big numbers the increase forever don't mean anything.
The fact that the SDS fanbase still tries to defend that scene and actually see as "wholesome and romantic" never fails to astonish me. Even with context I remember watching it as a young highschooler and still being mad creeped out lmao
I agree it regularly would be weird for a character that looks like a kid to call a baby in his arms his woman to two knights after coming out of a creator without any context. I’m not defending it but I wonder why do you guys feel this way when you have the context of the scene to understand why he is saying that.
@@emmarod8746 Because we don't think the context helps as much as you seem to. If Elizabeth is being reincarnated without her memories each time, how is her romance with Meliodas meaningfully different from a series of romances with different women? At least one of which was a literal newborn when he picked her up?
“if you thought THAT was the end, SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER! Because we’ve gotta fight a final boss monster who popped out of nowhere and has nothing to do with anything!” man, if Kishimoto didn’t actually send that cease and desist bc of the shadow clones he should have DEFINITELY sent one for that.
I love Kaguya as a character... but she should have never showed up in the anime/manga proper. She wasn't foreshadowed even a little and she was soley meant as a way to wrap up loose plot threads.
@@o0bookwyrmknight0o You know, I just wonder why they can't have female characters that are cool. I know it's shonen, but come on, many guys like myself love the kind of women that can kick ass (and it doesn't have to be physical). We are all humans in the end.
Jericho bulletpoints (mini rant): *Suffers an inferiority complex to her brother and has to work under the cruel Weird Fangs. *Gets humiliated by Ban in her first "battle" and loses her armour. *Drinks demon blood and risks dying to gain the power in order to take revenge on Ban. *Cuts up Ban and even wears his blood as lipstick (still a cool moment ngl) while hurting innocent folks. *Gets turned into a monster and is completely naked after being saved by Ban. *Decides to stalk Ban and ignores her friend Guila's unusual behaviour changes. *Honestly believes she's in love with a man old enough to be her father yet Ban is clearly not interested. *Has to accept Ban prefers fairy lolis over her while risking her life to save both Ban and Elaine (including taking a boulder to the face). *Is completely helpless in the 2nd tournament and eventually needs to be saved by teleport ex machina like several other characters. *Gets kidnapped by a demon and gets a demonic egg injected into her. *Her brother dies trying to save her from becoming a demon and in the end she's saved by Merlin being "infinite". *Finally gains innate magical power mourning her brother's death yet at this time Holy Knights have become completely irrelevant in terms of strength compared to the Ten Commandments and even mid-level demons. *Years later developed "feelings" for Ban's son and as a result of her shame joins the enemy just "because". Tl;dr: I've rarely seen an author blatantly hate their own character this much, I don't even like Jericho that much but sheesh it's almost like she's narratively cursed.
I'd make a joke about it still being a better love story than Twilight but I'm _pretty sure_ that falling in love with someone, chasing after them even though they're clearly in love with somebody else, finally giving up when they get together with that person and deciding to just bang their kid is exactly a love story from Twilight.
Jericho got done so dirty with how she essentially goes after the son after being rejected by the father lmao The big Age gap relationships just keep getting worse….
There was so much terrible writing and shit going on in NNT that I deadass blocked out all the creepy sexual shit. Was fun back in the day to read chapter for chapter (online for free, ain't paying for that garbage) and going to the forums and subreddit to mercilessly make fun of the story.
It's in the top three worst tropes in fictional works imo (as in tropes that are not only overdone but if they're not don't well it completely wrecks the narrative), the other two being time travel and love triangles/Vs. Dishonourable mention to "It was all a dream/illusion".
The only anime I can think of that did the amnesia concept well is Attack on Titan, when the king deleted all the memories of the nation's citizens so they wouldn't remember the days of the Eldian Empire.
@@goldendragon6570 If we're going to look at upcoming anime, ReZero's third season looks to be covering Arcs 5 and 6 of the LN. Arc 6 in particular has one of my favorite uses of the amnesia trope in all of fiction, which I won't spoil here. Perhaps saying that the trope is there could be considered a spoiler, but, memory has been a driving theme since season one, so, I don't really count it.
Amnesia where we don't know squat about the characters past is fine but overdone. Amnesia on characters we've already met is the worst because it doesn't have the intrigue of a hidden past. It's usually just an excuse for a character to suddenly act stupid by joining an evil organization or reset a relationship.
"There's a time and place for fanservice, and Seven Deadly Sins seems to think it's when people are f***ing dying." Let's be honest - Seven Deadly Sins think it's "all the time, everywhere."
you know when I was watching one piece for the 1st time I was on the 450th episode and went "aw man I only have 450 left" that's what's supposed to happen
When Elaine got her wings for the first time, I was kinda hoping she would gain an adult form, you know like King did a season later. Author had an out but decided not to take it.
The evil Elaine reintroduction was a pretty good chance to change up her design. She could have aged herself up to match Bon and kept the form afterward.
@@MrGksarathy Which episode did she get it? I thought Harlequin got his adult form right off the bat (Isn't it his fat form?) and google doesn't show her looking any older as far as I can find. I think I stopped watching around the time the big rock was dropped on Elizabeth, which might be where my confusion is coming from.
This show really is the embodiment of "that was a good idea, so let's do it poorly" Best example is the chaos final fight. The idea of meliotis being stuck in an illusion where he thinks he has to fight chaos alone because everyone else grew old and died is super cool, but it is so poorly written and so awfully resolved that it hurts by how much of a waste of potential it is
I'm so glad he mentioned how r wordy this show is. Fucking nonsense. I argued with people for like 2 hours about it on Reddit. That it doesn't ducking matter if they were in love in a past life lmao.
I read the Manga as it was released and describing it as a slippery slope of falling down an escalator for 24 hours is much more accurate than I'd like to admit.
You'd think it could do something right by pure chance but the series somehow defies all logic. I kept reading in the hope that something would salvage it, and after Rock-kun it was just spite.
This was somewhat similar to my experience of watching the first half of Love Flops, albeit worse because of the time frame and because, frankly, you know *exactly* what you're watching happen when you watch Love Flops willingly.
I read 2/3 of the manga. Early on Meliodas and a holy Knight throw a spear at each other from different towns. Each character being a walking intercontinental ballistic missile was the coolest thing I'd I've seen. Then every Escanor scene was pure Chad energy. The series does some of the greatest power fantasy writing. But the actual plot being an ourborus of ass pulls ruined it for me.
@@thakillman7 Hey Nakaba Suzuki, what plot twist have you come up with to keep the readers engaged now that you're entering the final arch of your beloved Manga series? "Rock falls, she dies." What? "LMAO, jk."
"My obviously underaged love interest is either dead or set to die in a specific timespan that allows the pacing to move as slowly as possible in favour of weak character development! So sad!"
@@theyusane668But the difference is, Kengan Ashura did it better. It made us sympathize with a characters and/or understand where they're coming from. But not for the Seven Deadly Sins characters that revolves around a child in some way. Other than Gowther, the main characters either married a child, fell in love with a child, or is a thousand years old and looks like a child.
The rock fallng to crush her was the cliffhanger for a weekly chapter when that "final" arc ended, when all the writing on the wall was that the series was over and going to end soon. It was so fucking funny the week that chapter came out.
One thing that you didn't mention is the armor of the background character holy knights. In the early seasons, only the big bad special holy knights had funky armor with weird colors and abilities and shit. The background knights had regular, semirealistic metallic armor. But in later seasons, everyone just has whacky, colorful armor like medieval power rangers. Always bugged me.
True. This was a huge loss from the power creep, and I'm glad Four Knights of the Apocalypse has brought it back. Nakaba always excelled at creating monster of the week and miniboss Holy Knights. It helps that this is where he can lean on the Matter of Britain the most.
You know, I criticize Netflix a lot for how they've handled their anime licenses, including when they originally held this show back for months on end before unceremoniously dropping it onto their servers. But then, them doing that means I never remembered to watch past season 1, so really they saved me on that one.
Season 1 had an amazing and consistent German dub Season 2 forward they literally changed more then half the voice actors and switched names/pronunciation of some character names, sometimes multiple times for the same person in the same sentence from the same person.
Kind of funny that Escanor, who is the most relatable and least disturbed character in the story, got yeeted out of the story in the most badass way so he wont witness the shit show that happens in the end
So basically, Escanor Bardock’d his way out of the story, where he saw the future and decided “And I now welcome the sweet embrace of death”, except what he saw was worse than anything Dragon Ball GT could throw at him. Kind of appropriate, considering his English VA is also Gohan.
@@colonelmustang854This comment got a good laugh out of me. The thought that Bardock saw into the future of how whack Super would become so he just noped out is hilarious
@@BlueBlazeKing Oh god, right? I think around the time of the purgatory bs I just held on because I wanted to know just how stupid the ending could get. I expected nothing and was still disappointed.
@@asthmaticbee I believe I fully gave up when the Demon King possessed Zeldris. Like I remember reading the chapter with some friends during lunch and went on a whole 5 minute rant about the mangaka being a hack
I was recently in the hospital and the man next to me was watching it on full volume FOR 7 HOURS STRAIGHT. Made the whole hospital experience significantly worse.
I was once forced to watch an episode of this show without context. When i tried to excuse myself and leave the guy showing it to me put his hand on my shoulder and pushed me back down into the chair. I should add he was forcing me to watch it without sound, on his phone, in a cafeteria.
@@CypressPunk34 Hmmm. So the subtype of "really weird dude" where it's "overly invested in explaining something despite the other person's pronounced lack of interest."
I actually liked the idea that Meliodas was a demon at first. I thought it was interesting for the main character to be a surviving member of a race sealed away 3000 years ago, especially when the broken sword handle he carries around is revealed to be the key to that seal. The happy go lucky MC knowingly preventing the return of his people and family in order to avoid a world destroying holy war seemed pretty cool for a character representing the sin of wrath. But then he's actually the demon prince and gets a depressingly badly animated magic set of clothes to show his edgy dark side. They really soured the rest of small things I liked about the series.
I think even as a demon prince it could've been interesting. Abandoning his brothers, father and clan but the sake of his friends and the one he loves, only to watch that person die time and time again before him, he hides his wrath and depression with a happy smile, but his anger still leaks out and causes harm to the people he loves. He returns willingly with his brothers to inherit the throne so as to protect his friends and free elizabeth, allowing for some interesting character interactions with estarossa and zeldris, only be further emotionally damaged by the revelation that estarossa is mael and that his father simply wanted to possess, he now fights for the people that truly care for him, completely overcoming his wrath and gaining control over his full power. This could also help develop zeldris's and estarossa's character's, as zeldris could feel resentment and jealousy towards meliodas betraying them, while estarossa can form an actual bond with meliodas that isn't just a memory of ludociel replaced with meliodas, making him all the more conflicted when he regains his memories since now he has actual memories of both ludociel and meliodas as his brother.
It became way too convoluted towards the ending of the show, it just felt like they had no plan so they just kept changing the script and not going back to make sure it actually fit correctly. The show could’ve been interesting if it just stuck to its first explanation instead of adding things to it
@@stellamariefanboy.6768 honestly I was fine with it up until the demon king died, they should've kept the Arthur stuff for the sequel or made a special chapter for it
I remember really appreciating how Diane and Elizabeth interacted, even though they initially had the same love interest, they didn't constantly fight each other about it, and instead were just very supportive friends to one another. You don't always get that in shonen.
It took nearly 49 years but we have two female characters in a shounen with a friendship unrelated to dick. Now if we can get them to stop breaking rape laws it'll be pretty watchable!
@@Luciferthekingofpurgitory WHAT? I havent watched the anime past season 2 but i have read the manga and if the anime followed it at all then gowther is not a rapist holy fuck what?
I think the absolute worst thing about this show is the fact that the fan base absolutely refuses to accept the reality that Meliodas may be one of the creepiest characters in anime history and they are willing to die on that hill.
*Common story-telling wisdom:* What makes a cliché a cliché is the fact that the audience considers them overused and predictable, but the audience also tend to forget that they are overused exactly because they _work._ The trick is often simply to give some sort of a new spin on them, so they seem fresh. *Seven Deadly Sins:* So, what you're saying is that we should do them at least twice as much?
I can't believe what they did to Merlin in the end. The complete destruction and decimation of her character at the end was so sudden and so completely out of nowhere, I actually find myself impressed at how bad that was
For me, the problem was only the loli suit part. Otherwise, I always thought she was too shifty and never particularly liked her character, even if I did enjoy her magicking solutions to various problems the Sins faced.
The moment when Dreyfus comes back and it's revealed that "OOOOH look he was the TRUE mastermind all along!!" was about when I realized how much of an ass pull every single plot turn in this show was.
Shoutout to the Escanor for being the only normal person in the group. He almost had a normal, good, and healthy relationship, he wasn't a pedo, rapist, or a victim.
@@nik0938 woman repeatedly groped before ever giving consent? You know what? You're right, that's *totally* not sexual assault because she *eventually* consented to it!
DUDE SAME my best friend has a fucking tattoo of this show and cries over it cause he's attached so much nostalgia and sentimentality to it. i have to listen to him being genuinely invested in king x diane cause if i told him this is ass he'd get really hurt😭 thank you mr basement this is so refreshing
@@nik0938 watch Kaguyasama. Maybe don't look at a critic review if you you want to just watch shows without hem being analyzed. Or watch Ascendance of a Bookworm.
Which, to be _a little bit fair but only a little_ , if your lifespan is measured in centuries and you're not surrounded by other long-lived sapients, you're going to have to work with what you have.
@@glowbies9416 no. the concept of legality in these cases doesn't align well because of how each of the races work. the fairy race is usually small people regardless, they age slower or faster at variants and can change their forms. the giants are just big and age VERY slow (Diane is 750!), Demons have a strange concept of aging because of how the Demon Realm works, etc. the worldbuilding concepts affected time and age a lot.
@@mekullag once again, the worldbuilding made everything crazy regarding time and age. especially with the main cast. they're all adults, just adults with random magic bs GO! added.🤣
The sequence at 44:50 is absolutely hysterical to me for some reason and I cannot stop replaying it. Everything about it just has me in stitches, gray-haired guy punching at nothing, blonde guy flailing his weird shadow arms at nothing, the giant girl kneeling over looking like she's having an existential crisis, and everybody else is just vibing. Truly one of the anime of all time.
I wouldn't say so, given we only ever hear it brought up a few more times to show how much of a power up from training different characters get or from a power up, the escanor vs melinda and to show how powerful Cusack and Chandler are, those are the last two times we ever hear it brought up again.
I pretty much bailed when that was introduced. (though I was watching the show becuase of the game and I was curious with what the content was in the anime) hell I even quit the mobile game the show was based on, but by then I quit when I got around....... uh. It was after we meet Merlin. I can't remember exactly. Though I will say the Demons are a bit... lackluster in design, though this is from someone who's more used to Doom 2016 where the enemies are actually threatening and would wipe everyone off the map.
They're not always terrible. But they need to be introduced near the beginning. It's a bad sign if power levels are just jammed into the setting after the first arc. I remember when Yu Yu Hakusho suddenly started evaluating every characters' combat traits in it's last arc. It was done so awkwardly, it didn't add anything to the fights. Plus by that point, the main characters had gotten so strong, it was unnecessary to hold them to a grading system. It's the same with SDS. I think characters stopped mentioning power levels halfway through the Commandment arc.
Considering the original theme was medieval tales and such, This would’ve bern an actually good storyline with these legends. “The great sorcerer Merlin left the gates of hell open!” would’ve been a great premise if the show wasn’t a shitshow.
Trust me, reading the manga as that last arc of fuckery going on was far more painful than the anime. At least with the anime you could binge it all in a day or two. We waited weeks while the demon king kept getting resurrected and characters kept turning evil for no reason other than the editors wanted to wring this series for all the blood it could. This series is a prime example of why you shouldn't create a story based on one good idea.
25:12 don't forget, he killed her dad too. Gowther is probably the only character that deserves to be called an anti-hero. Actually, he's just a terrible person.
And you know why? Because he stopped wearing the armor that kept his morals in check... to help her dad. T-T Still terriblu, though. edit: Hold up. Killed her dad. Erased memory of her brother. Dude was an isolating abuser playing the long game. Holy fudge nugget.
@@questioningespecialy9107 Spoiler: Well, he wouldn't have needed the armor in the first if he hadn't turned off his emotions when his first girlfriend, the king of Liones' sister who had a heart condition, died and didn't want to deal with the new emotions he experienced from her death
My favorite part of the show is when the demons can push any persons soul out of their body so they can eat it and then they continue to not use that power at any point ever to win a fight, nor does meliodas use it ever despite being a demon.
Facts its such a broken ability, I always laugh when people compare meliodas abilities against Naruto or luffy and even other characters and meliodas just lose for dumb reasons
Meliodas doesn’t like using his demon powers when not fighting demons and some of the commandments do try and do that melascula tried to bans but it somehow escaped and she gave up then she tried escanor soul not realizing it was the sun and burnt herself so when 2 of the sins have ways to block soul damage she probably sent the memo “ guys don’t try and eat the souls of the sins it doesn’t work “
So sad you didnt mention the whole dramatic part of that damn pig being burned to death only to resurrect as a tiny pig later the same episode. Instantly pissed me off
"Her true form is that of yet another 3000 year old loli". As someone who thought Merlin's adult form was sexy as hell, that is just heartbreaking and cruel. WHY make her a loli?!
@@SingWhenTheEndComes as someone who remembers Kiss Shot from Bakemonogatari, I have this to say: STOP TURNING HOT ANIME WOMEN INTO LOLIS! I miss the days of Lupin the Third.
Escanor was too good for the franchise tbh, it was truly unique that the strongest member of the Sins was the only one with a human lifespan before the power-creep went wild.
Nah, Escanpr simping after Merlin of all people dampened the cool factor for me. Honest best character for me is Diane. That woman fought tooth and nail for her agency as it was repeatedly stolen. She's also hot, so...
For me, Escanor was the best reason to watch. the man defeated two villains without leaving where he stood, and was immune to most disability spells. such as the spell that stole all your stamina and rendered you too weak to stand up. this spell was activated if you showed any hatred for your enemy. but Escanor didn't feel a thing. he then walked right up to the villain's face. "How can I hate those weaker than me? All I feel is pity." This sent the villains into orbit with rage. I freakin' loved it. he was a true Chad.
How immature do you have to be to pick your favorite character based on how strong they are instead of real reasons like character development and personality traits.
@@dangerousdays2052 Pffffffft…Personality traits? You mean Diane and king’s only showtime aside from battle is both blushing and crushing at each other. Meliodas assaulting Elizabeth and Elizabeth still thinking its okay, Gowther has no personality and is pretty much a homunculus 70% of the 5 seasons, Merlin was interesting but the show gave her no real reasons to betray her friends for chaos whist Escanor pretty much was a good character who was into poetry.
@@TheVnator i kinda watched it all and ignored the sexual assault stuff. It is anime, kinda difficult to get around that tbh xd. It is one of the series that just wasted my time i believe but sometimes that is all you want i guess.
I am genuinely concerned about how often the author of Seven Deadly Sins has his adult male characters marry loltias or people that they helped raise when they were children (and they were still adults). Does anyone know if he's on a watch list?
I don't think I've ever watched a show with Loli love interests, but I don't think Loli breaks a show necessarily, it's the context that does. When there's a literal age gap or if there's any form of non con the show automatically breaks.
@@sorensouthard927 If a Loli is in a romance with an adult that's it. Done. It's over. The author clearly has an agenda if they feel compelled to force such a thing into the story. 1000 year old loli dragons be damned.
... I'm genuinely concerned you aren't noticing he does the same thing with male characters. Mel looks like a teenager, King looks like a kid - I mean, I guess shota is okay to you. =\
I started this show solely for Ban, but between Elizabeth's whiny voice, the constant sexual harassment by Meliodas, how ludicrously fast-paced everything is and the derpy artstyle, I just could not.
Me too! I was so excited for an attractive character closer to my age at the time. Then they introduced Elaine, but I thought “maybe they’re just friends.” Then they weren’t and I thought “well she’s dead, so maybe he can learn to move on.” Then he *didn’t* so I decided I didn’t have to waste my time.
@@crystalfairy912 Literally all the Sins are traps in some way, from Ban being into ancient lolis to Diane being attracted to shotas that are older than her, Escanor is the least bad of them but it doesn't negate the fact Merlin's true form is a 3000yrs+ old loli that's a thot for Mel (just why?).
@@lynxfresh5214 i mean he didn't fell in love in merlin bc she was a loli, when her true form was shown he already fell in love with her as a person. In my pov it is less painful than ban x elaine. The pregnancy elaine deeply disturbed me
@@steelheart538at least the rapists in SAO are actually portrayed as evil unlike this show. You know you fucked up when SAO did something better than you.
I actually think there's potentially interesting storytelling to be found in the whole 3000 year old Loli thing, if someone besides Interview With a Vampire, would explore the frustration and problems that come with being trapped in a child's body. If the fairies weren't able to alter their age at will, but just stopped aging at that point, there is a lot you can do with that idea to make it something truly great. Claudia from Interview With a Vampire is probably my favorite part of that movie, because the situation she finds herself in would become a nightmare after your mind has matured well past your static body. Her rage over being stuck as a child, while yearning for someone that refuses to acknowledge her as an adult was a genuinely fascinating take on the "immortal" character that doesn't get explored nearly enough.
The only time I've ever seen this sort of concept executed pretty well is with Babette in Skyrim, she was turned into a vampire when I think she was like 12 or 13 and when the game takes place she's about 300 and is using her looking like a child to her advantage as an assassin of the dark brotherhood because no one in their right mind is going to even suspect a little girl of being a seasoned killer let alone be afraid of one
I genuinely thought I was going insane watching this show and slowly realizing that each new relationship they revealed was yet another kind of creepy pedophilia lmao. I think anyone who watches anime has built up a decent tolerance for at least some creepy trope nonsense, but this was seriously on another level and I'm so glad I dragged myself out of it before it got somehow worse. I kept telling myself the fights were worth it, then kept telling myself Escanor was worth it, but nothing was worth it. It was Just Terrible.
Please explain how. I wasn't aware there was a mental child involved in a relationship with an adult. Oh! I get it! You're judging based off of looks! Body shaming! That's awful. You're an awful person. =(
I bailed after only a handful of episodes b/c the whole recurring "MC does sexual assault but, like, lightheartedly" thing seemed an ill omen... but HOLY HOT GARBAGE did I underestimate the intensity of cringe that actually portended. I feel like someone who avoided stepping on a dog turd just now learning it was in fact a landmine.
I remember seeing Ban's gf in his flashback for the first time and was absolutely horrified. Meliodas was bad but I guess my brain went "He's just another gross annoying perverted anime man." But Ban's dead fairy loli had me genuinely disgusted and hoping he didn't revive her. Then I saw the flashback of Diane and King's backstory and was just questioning why the hell I was watching it, thankfully I was watching with friends so we all collectively shat on it at the time while laughing. Then after S1 ended I found out Elaine comes back and noped the hell out forever. Years later I saw some of the creator's art as well as hearing about the whole "Elizabeth is Meliodas' forever child bride" and realized mans is peddling his barley disguised pedo fantasies, I've never felt so much shame for watching an anime in my life lmao.
Say what you will about Seven Deadly Sins, but I think that Escanor's feelings for Merlin are hella wholesome and the closest thing to pure in this entire show.
@@dangerousdays2052 Escanor knew that Merlin would never love him and he is nothing but a pawn and chose to die protecting her, Also yeah night-escanor was a simp but we talkin about day escanor, Even with his pride he still appreciates merlin.
Block some people say that seven deadly sins is a horrible show but besides the inappropriate parts I think it was a pretty good show for me to watch especially when they made the new season/movie part one at this time that I am saying this comment part two has not come out but I know win.
What really sucks about the falloff from the first season is that there actually was a genuine attempt at setup and payoff. The downfall of the Fairy Kingdom and the actions of its few survivors are important to the backstory of 3 of the sins (admittedly, Diane’s is a bit of a stretch), and many elements of the finale connect back to this moment. One of the major antagonists for this part is King’s best friend, and the demon whose blood is used to power up all the Holy Knights was the one responsible for the forest burning down, and that Ban killed in revenge. It actually sucks that the writing kept doubling down on the worst parts, because I can see potential for interesting connections like that later in the series.
honestly, the early parts of it, what i would call "the holy knights saga", though idk if that's an actual name for it, was actually pretty good (even if meliodas was a bit annoying).
@@juliogomez2534 Yup and now he has became the type of guy that would chill inside his lover's boobs while his friend and brother-in-arms literally burns to death in front of him, I mean WTF!?!.
@@lynxfresh5214 It's kinda ironic that King's technique was limited only by his imagination, since that was the first thing the author stop using in the fights.
I cannot believe I thought this anime was good dear lord I must’ve been really young. Fucked up ships involving sexual assault through reincarnations and memory wipes, showing fan service when people are literally dying, introduces interesting powers or characters for a few moments only for us to never see them again, and so much more. You made me laugh out loud many times with the many messed up things you pointed out that just completely went over my head. Thank you so much for telling us the countless flaws this anime has it was very fun.
So it’s true that Jericho gave up on Ban and now wants to bone his son????😳😳 Did the author watch Twilight Breaking Dawn, saw the Jacob/Reneesme imprinting thing and was all “I GOT IT💡”
After all the crap she went through: being turned into a monster, losing her brother, falling for a man that's into lolis and more, I'm convinced the author actually hates her for some reason lol!
finally someone that remembers DBZ's Power Levels are bullshit & knowing them is a Debuff, AND that said statement is actually Canon & not just a joke TeamFourStar wrote
The problem is that, for some reason, characters keep getting fucking numbers somehow. People just refuse to stop doing the bizarro math required to measure how many quinbazillions they're up to now without stopping to realize that it's just absurd.
@@funnyvalentinedidnothingwrong except no they don't, the Scouters have a hard limit & after Freeza they disappear entirely & yeah Fans keep trying to "math" Power levels is basically what i just said (also as far as we know Freeza made up his 1 Million Power level, why is anyone trusting Mr "Namek will explode in 5 Minutes")
@@Artista_Frustrado thought the DBZ guide books showed Frieza's power level. The Daizenshu (sorry if i misspelled it) said Super Saiyan Goku had a PL of 150 million while full power Frieza had 120 million. I know power level doesn't matter anymore, but I'm sure that the Daizenshu has a lot of accurate info of the series in it.
@@phantom-X2086 Daizenchou is basically the equivalent of the George Lucas or JK Rowling's Lore interviews: yes is technically official that the authors are humoring the question, but they aren't meant to be taken as canon so yeah as far DBZ itself is concerned Freeza is full of shit with both Power Levels AND Namekian Time
The demon king telling the brothers their girlfriends are dead and you reusing the same script for both had me cracking up.... Edit: until you explained it.
seeing elane who looks like a child pregnant was deeply upsetting. just,,,,, why. why? why does she have to look like she’s 10? why did god permit this to be made? why didn’t he step in and stop this? i think i need to lie down
Remember when they mentioned Elizabeth used to fight? Remember when she came to back up Meliodas when he confronted the demon king???? No? Yeah i dont blame you, i could never get over how they tried to make Elizabeth seem like a badass yet she litterally did nothing but heal or be emotional support
she wasn't resigned to healing and emotional support because she was incapable or because the writer didn't care, but because she was clearly characterised as a pacifist. (her past as bloodie ellie was back before she even met meliodas, so recovering her memories wouldn't suddenly make her fight alot more)
Don't disrespect healers. If you ever play a tabletop RPG, that'll be the last mistake you ever make. They're the core and most important part of every party, and her healing was basically on the level of "so long as you're not dead Elizabeth can fix you".
My heart honestly sank a bit when you mentioned that people excused Gowther's more atrocious actions by saying, "He's Literally Neurodivergent", because that says a *lot* about how those people think of us. Like, weebs, c'mon, we're neurodivergent; not abusers. What the HFIL is wrong with you?
Lol. Well, what do you expect when you use vague ass terms like Neurodivergent? The definition says it's someone who isn't mentally typical. This could be anything between high functioning autism to bat shit insane. Maybe yall shouldn't have made up a stupid umbrella word because you thought the actual mental disorder names made you feel bad?
Okay, I was already laughing pretty hard at all the yikes, like "I swear your honor, she consented in a past life..." But when you did the Demon King subplot redux, I lost it. 😂🤣
I love how Geoff isn't even yelling about or criticizing any specific part of the show for the most part. He's just reading off a well-detailed plot & character synopsis. He makes subtle pokes between transitions but he never says (this shitty character).
@@hi-i-am-atan He's capable but incapable at the same time. He went apeshit on SAO but bc of sensitive SAO *stans* he doesn't go as hard anymore. I think he should make exceptions for complete and utter garbage like 7 deadly sins though.
@@animec-dramaskpop6362 i unno man it just sounds like you don't think pedophilic serial molesters make for shitty heroes, so you have to be overtly told they're shit instead of ... y'know, just being plainly told that the _shonen protag is a pedophilic serial molester as a starting point_ to grasp that geoff _perhaps_ does not have the best opinion on him
@@hi-i-am-atan I'm not a delusional anime stan that has to defend everything about the genre in order to make myself feel better about liking pedo crap. I know right from wrong but hearing someone tear this show to pieces would still be incredibly enjoyable for the simple fact that there are ppl who will still defend this disgusting show.
I can't believe the amount of "plot" from this anime I just forgot existed. I watched well into season 3 before i dropped it but hearing Geoff give a rub down of everything-- i feel like i have very selective amnesia
I never got passed the unconscious booby touching scene. I knew EXACTLY what this series was by that point and I value my time enough to not waste it with terrible art.
That's fair. I actually managed to finish the first season years ago, and liked it, but something always felt off about it, and I never went back to watch more. It's only after thinking back to my time with the show that I realized why, and it's the same reason as why you stopped. As I said in another comment, this show is wannabe-anime.
The author of Seven Deadly Sins was actually a huge Bill Cosby fan. In one of his interviews he said that if it weren't for Cosby, he would never have gotten into drawing manga.
The shows romance story is essentially a woman gets raped again and again by a terrible protagonist then gets Stockholm syndrome and fall in love with him and has a child.
Every time I grow even a little desensitized and expecting of anime creepy inappropriate relationships, mangaka are hard at work to give me a brand new curve ball of "what the fuck don't date her that's horrible" I've never seen before
My personal "favorite" from one of the more recent chapters of the sequel: a loli that acts too mature because even though she is a little child for once, she has foretelling powers and has technically already lived through her entire life through her visions. Of course we first find this out when she tries to make moves on her future husband, much older teen boy who may or may not be the same one the holy knight Ban SAd wants to bang.
The funniest shit is knowing Meliodas and Elizabeth are cousins since their mom and dad are siblings made by the Chaos God. And also then there’s the other aunt/uncle the Big Fairy Tree.
They're two generations from Chaos. Zeus and Hera are siblings, three or four generations from Khaos, and nobody thinks that's weird. Rules are different for primordial beings, I guess.
@@timothymclean true, so many gods/goddesses marrying their siblings must’ve been common hence the royal families do the same thing to mimic the gods they worship at the time.
As someone who was in process of watching this I commend you sir. My brain broke down at the Loli girl moment and I stopped watching it. I was already annoyed by Meliodis constantly harassing Miss Mary Sue with no response from her. So hats off to you because even listening to it I got lost. The only loss I gained was knowing Escanore dies, he was the only one I genuinely enjoyed.
Escanor left because he knew that his teammates are a bunch of pedophiles and the woman he has a crush on is 3000 year old girl with the body of a 12 year old.
The saddest part is that this trainwreck got to stumble all the way to its conclusion, while The Promised Neverland got an extended anime original ending in place of a second season.
The Promised Neverland’s second season confuses me. I cannot think why they’d do that. It was one of their most successful shows. Why skip over almost all of it and then put no effort into the things that you actually do. They earn less money this way. Like make it 3-4 seasons
@@canasdad9115sure, but they still had a lot of solid material to work with before it went off the rails, and they could have improved the ending instead of dedicating 3 slides of a powerpoint to it.
One thing I think is really cool is Ban and Meliodas' friendship because it's 100% genuine. They're practically brothers, and the first thing they do after seeing each other for the first time in years is make a fuss and play arm wrestling.
My mom loves anime. She watches Baki and Bungou stray dogs and her favorite is mob psycho. She tried to watch this one and emailed netflix it was THAT bad. Watching this now to find out what its about and ohhhhhh my god
Wtf are you talking about? Escanor attacking the commandments is so obviously the highlight and even of that isn't then it's meliodas fighting the commandments
The portrayal of women instantly shut me off. I just thought it was so stereotypical and garbage, so much potential down the drain. And the comparison to Mineta is spot on, how can we be expected to root for a literal predator???
I hate this anime but clearly you have no idea what's going on in the story. Being a predator and going after the literal reincarnation of your true love is completely different. Both Mel and Liz are immortal, just immortal in different ways so how can you say mel is a predator when they've both been alive for thousands of years?
@@Zero-Descent oh my lord, i guess sexual harassment is ok if you’ve been together for eternity. Listen to yourself, it isn’t ok no matter what the context. Ur the problem bud
@@haleymckay2067 Sexual harrassment isn't sexual harassment when it's consensual, you're the problem bud. You watch shows and don't pay attention to context or nuance and you just make assumptions.
@@Zero-Descent consensual? She didn’t even remember him. She never said it was ok, at least at the beginning. I cringe to think of what ur definition of “consent” is cause that ain’t it. I’m done talking to you, go learn how to respect woman instead of debating over a topic you have no experience with
Season 1: Good, with great moments and animation. Season 2: It has its problems, but it's still enjoyable, especially Escanor. Season 3: The Memes speak for themselves.
Exactly. I haven't even watched season 3 because of the animation and memes. And I still defend the first season for having some good action scenes (for what it was) and for it's music, I think it's the second opening of the first season that I really liked
Honestly season 3 is just unwatchable. Like in the manga we could just do the whole fight chaos & freeze for later in 10s. In the anime it's just so boring. Everything in season 3 is boring. Season 2 had escanor who just spouts 1 linear like no one's business. Season 1 is decent with good plot, and something payoff like King's friend turned demon who got killed by Ban.
@@Ducky-Paul7087 What I took away from the show was that we got Escanor as a character....and that was it. Everything else after season 2 was a dumpster fire though. Haven't been that let down since Promised Neverland season 2.
There was a lot I liked about Seven Deadly Sins, but there was even more that I hated. I was done with the series when Bon's wildly inappropriate and sketchy romance with Elaine came to light 🤮 I know technically she was thousands of yrs old, but c'mon, we all know what it looked like, and when Bon made a point to mention how much he liked her underdeveloped body, that's when I was done.
The difference is that both of them are (rightfully) hated instead of one getting off scott-free (except in-universe, but that's the result of two very different writers).
ages ago i started this show thinking it looked like a fun romp. i got to the part where protag-kun gropes elizabeth while she’s unconscious and immediately turned it off and this video is telling me that was the correct decision
I initially dropped it after first groping but then a buddy of mine said it gets good, keep going, so I did and while I have to say I don't hate the show as much as most people here and I think it's stupid that we try to analyze morals of fantasy world based on morals of our world, I also know I would have lost nothing of value if I never returned after those first 10 minutes.
@@hectorrodriguezgonzalez8938 I'm kinda ok with it, well one of my first anime was DBZ ohh boy watching master roshi grope women as a kid always flew over my head and then there is the scene between bulma and roshi in early DragonBall that I also watched as a kid 🤣
I liked Derriere and Monspiet. They had the balls to wear 1/2 an outfit between them, a personal relationship not tied exclusively to Meliodas, sympathetic backstories that werent a complete mess (looking at you Meliodas bros), character growth, and i have a thing for angry girls with messy blond hair. Pretty well written by this shows standards and i wish better for them.
@@pokeluis2002 It didn't help what their Commandment curses did was clearly written in retrospect but yeah it's truly something that soul eating demons had the most healthy chemistry in terms of romantic pairings.
I now realized that I rationalized the thing with Ban and Elaine by focusing on the fact that she was a fairy, who was supposed to look petite and young and all... But then I realized that no amount of narrative context could ever be enough to avoid the simple question: "Why? *Why* did she have to look like a pre-teen?!" Don't get me wrong, the idea of the thief falling in love with the queen of fairies and then her sacrificing herself by imbibing him with the fountain of youth's power during a demonic incursion is unironically a great setup for a character like Ban. And yet, that one question still stands, GODDAMIT! I feel like an idiot!😢
you saw the video before it was taken down? was there anything huge that was edited/censored in this new version? i want to make sure i’m not missing out on that sweet Basement Lore
...I am so freaking angry that that twist of the demon finding out that he was, in fact, the angel he thought he'd killed and was just brainwashed to think he was a demon was WASTED in a series like this one! SERIOUSLY, that's such a cool idea, I'd read a whole manga about that /alone/. Except now I can't, because this insult to both literature /and/ trash has already used it! I AM RAGE!!!!!
"The whole point of scouters in the original Dragon Ball was that relying on them too much made the Frieza Force worse at fighting" And thus, Geoff singlehandedly destroyed the arguments that 99% of the Dragon Ball Z fandom keeps having online
It's unfortunate that pretty much every fight after Vegeta and before Kid Buu *was* won by whoever had the higher power level. It kinda kills the series' message in its first half.
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Thanks so much to all the folks who've come back to watch this again after the takedown! please be aware that just clicking and watching a few seconds can be detrimental, so if you can, leave it on in the background to ensure the algorithm does not hate me.
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Will do man! Can't wait to rewatch this epic roast all over again! You rock!
Yeah I was about say didn’t he do this yesterday
Good title change too. Want to watch the video twice as hard this time.
God Damnit!!! I missed it's original Age Restriction required glory.
Man, the way you describe how Gowther uses brainwashing to get himself a girlfriend, and mindfucks his allies for shits and giggles, it's like someone misplaced a memo that he's supposed to be a villain.
Yeah, it's pretty f up. If this was in another show or series, Gowther would probably be considered a very hateable villain.
Yeah, and of course that is bad because it's 7ds
he IS a villain. just a half villain though because of the whole Demon Race things that end up destroying everyone's relationship with him around the climax of the story.
@@mikebipping6166 anti-villain?
and the cast just goes hey man, stop it. "oh ok sorry" and they just forgive him for all the shit he does.
It's telling that 75% of this roast is just literally recapping the story and letting that roast itself. Which sounds like I'm saying Geoff didn't have to do much work for this episode, but that's not true, since he actually had to watch this entire show to do that and I know from personal experience that getting therapy after a deeply traumatic event is a lot of work.
"He was the true mastermind behind the the plan he was just instrumental in stopping" ah, the endless war with your own self-sabotage. Like how Geoff allowed himself to watch this show after nearly escaping it.
I laughed pretty hard when I realized he was repeating his script for Melodyass being stuck in hell for Melodyass’s little brother being stuck in hell.
I'm so happy he recapped it all. I stopped watching 7ds for the pacing issues he brought up but was originally hooked in the first like 3 episodes, quit a few times, but gave up keeping up some time pre-covid, in the great beyond. I've recently been thinking about getting back into it but holy fuck am I glad I didn't now.
My heart can't take another hit after the Witcher, GoT, and Westworld
That's more a runtime thing. I feel like all he had worth saying was done in the first 15mins. But people love his video roast so the runtime isn't going to fill itself.
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"Stop adding numerical power levels to anime. You're not making math better; You're making anime worse." - Hank Hill, probably.
"why would anyone want to do drugs when you can just mow a lawn?" -actual Hank hill quote
Unless the anime is called Gintama, that makes fun about the power measurement in anime.
Bobby is a power scaler
There are only so many things you can do with power levels, most of which either require a specific setup to work or were done in DBZ's Saiyan arc.
@@timothymclean Yeah, you can make levels work in a narrative. They just have to actually mean something to the audience. Random big numbers the increase forever don't mean anything.
Meliodas holding a baby saying “keep your hands off my woman” BROKE ME lmaoooooo
I legitimately had to pause the show and face palm for like 3 minutes ☠️
The fact that the SDS fanbase still tries to defend that scene and actually see as "wholesome and romantic" never fails to astonish me. Even with context I remember watching it as a young highschooler and still being mad creeped out lmao
I agree it regularly would be weird for a character that looks like a kid to call a baby in his arms his woman to two knights after coming out of a creator without any context. I’m not defending it but I wonder why do you guys feel this way when you have the context of the scene to understand why he is saying that.
@@emmarod8746 Because we don't think the context helps as much as you seem to. If Elizabeth is being reincarnated without her memories each time, how is her romance with Meliodas meaningfully different from a series of romances with different women? At least one of which was a literal newborn when he picked her up?
When I heard that, I thought “there’s no way this line isn’t from an abridged series”
“if you thought THAT was the end, SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER! Because we’ve gotta fight a final boss monster who popped out of nowhere and has nothing to do with anything!”
man, if Kishimoto didn’t actually send that cease and desist bc of the shadow clones he should have DEFINITELY sent one for that.
I love Kaguya as a character... but she should have never showed up in the anime/manga proper. She wasn't foreshadowed even a little and she was soley meant as a way to wrap up loose plot threads.
I don't understand why they did that. They could've made that whole ordeal its own movie to tie into the sequel. Why randomly cram it into the ending?
@@andrewowens4421 to be fair she kinda was when you look at things in full screen
@@GamerSlyRatchet1because if they didn't, the plot would've legitimately ended. Can't have the cash cow end, right?
Lmao
To be fair using your opponent's blood as lipstick is pretty metal as fuck.
In a literal way even to a certain extant. Blood has some iron in it, which explains why it tastes like pennies.
“What an awesome woman antagonist! Sure hope they don’t do anything to f*** that up!”
@@o0bookwyrmknight0o You know, I just wonder why they can't have female characters that are cool. I know it's shonen, but come on, many guys like myself love the kind of women that can kick ass (and it doesn't have to be physical).
We are all humans in the end.
@@cadethumann8605 Nobara from JJK is peak shonen writing for women
Jericho bulletpoints (mini rant):
*Suffers an inferiority complex to her brother and has to work under the cruel Weird Fangs.
*Gets humiliated by Ban in her first "battle" and loses her armour.
*Drinks demon blood and risks dying to gain the power in order to take revenge on Ban.
*Cuts up Ban and even wears his blood as lipstick (still a cool moment ngl) while hurting innocent folks.
*Gets turned into a monster and is completely naked after being saved by Ban.
*Decides to stalk Ban and ignores her friend Guila's unusual behaviour changes.
*Honestly believes she's in love with a man old enough to be her father yet Ban is clearly not interested.
*Has to accept Ban prefers fairy lolis over her while risking her life to save both Ban and Elaine (including taking a boulder to the face).
*Is completely helpless in the 2nd tournament and eventually needs to be saved by teleport ex machina like several other characters.
*Gets kidnapped by a demon and gets a demonic egg injected into her.
*Her brother dies trying to save her from becoming a demon and in the end she's saved by Merlin being "infinite".
*Finally gains innate magical power mourning her brother's death yet at this time Holy Knights have become completely irrelevant in terms of strength compared to the Ten Commandments and even mid-level demons.
*Years later developed "feelings" for Ban's son and as a result of her shame joins the enemy just "because".
Tl;dr: I've rarely seen an author blatantly hate their own character this much, I don't even like Jericho that much but sheesh it's almost like she's narratively cursed.
I'd make a joke about it still being a better love story than Twilight but I'm _pretty sure_ that falling in love with someone, chasing after them even though they're clearly in love with somebody else, finally giving up when they get together with that person and deciding to just bang their kid is exactly a love story from Twilight.
Jericho REAAAAAAALLY needed that D🤣 Ban was definitely clapping in prison! they were worried about dropping the soap near him fytb
Oh fuck you're right lol
Team Jacob
They literally wrote a better love story than Twilight, while writing Goddamn Twilight into the series itself.🤣😂
7ds and twilight both also have the immortal male lead creep on his teenage love interest while she's asleep
"Imagine if Mineta was the protagonist of My Hero Academia."
How dare you even joke about that.
It would make mha actually watchable since Mineta doesn't have all the powers of a god.
Watching someone creep on teenage girls doesn't seem worth it when you could just nerf Deku and One for All.
It's not a joke if it actually happened. That's basically just Meliodas
Honestly would be better than whatever the fuck mid-oria is
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He once expressed interest in a literal child. I would love to hear anyone give an argument for how that's better than Midoriya
Jericho got done so dirty with how she essentially goes after the son after being rejected by the father lmao The big Age gap relationships just keep getting worse….
There was so much terrible writing and shit going on in NNT that I deadass blocked out all the creepy sexual shit.
Was fun back in the day to read chapter for chapter (online for free, ain't paying for that garbage) and going to the forums and subreddit to mercilessly make fun of the story.
I like to think she shonest to god just is a caretaker.
@@marocat4749 i too am in denial 😔
Watching again, because it was really good to begin with
Also she literally turned evil because she can't have him. And she also trained him since he was a child.
The concept of amnesia has been a disaster for every culture’s literary canon
It's in the top three worst tropes in fictional works imo (as in tropes that are not only overdone but if they're not don't well it completely wrecks the narrative), the other two being time travel and love triangles/Vs.
Dishonourable mention to "It was all a dream/illusion".
The only anime I can think of that did the amnesia concept well is Attack on Titan, when the king deleted all the memories of the nation's citizens so they wouldn't remember the days of the Eldian Empire.
@@goldendragon6570 If we're going to look at upcoming anime, ReZero's third season looks to be covering Arcs 5 and 6 of the LN. Arc 6 in particular has one of my favorite uses of the amnesia trope in all of fiction, which I won't spoil here.
Perhaps saying that the trope is there could be considered a spoiler, but, memory has been a driving theme since season one, so, I don't really count it.
Disco Elysium tho
Amnesia where we don't know squat about the characters past is fine but overdone.
Amnesia on characters we've already met is the worst because it doesn't have the intrigue of a hidden past. It's usually just an excuse for a character to suddenly act stupid by joining an evil organization or reset a relationship.
Meliodas’ perversion at least refutes the idea that we only hate Mineta because he is ugly
Imagine the meme of flirting vs harrassment but instead of the generic "handsome" man and "ugly" man, just put in Meliodas and Mineta.
@@Ryan-qr3xg
👱"lookin' good Susan"
👩🏼💼 "Hello, human resources?!"
🍇 "Lookin' good Susan"
👩🏼💼 "Hello, police?!"
One difference is mineta does it to many girls while meliodas will only do it to one, both are not exactly good.
As a matter of fact, I hated both of them 😇💅
wait people think that is the reason people dont like mineta? HE IS NOT EVEN UGLULY DRAWN TF
"There's a time and place for fanservice, and Seven Deadly Sins seems to think it's when people are f***ing dying."
Let's be honest - Seven Deadly Sins think it's "all the time, everywhere."
"There are still 16 episodes left."
You know things are going badly when the audience looks up how many episodes they have left.
Even worse when you look at 16 and think "WHY SO MANY?!"
or it could be good, "Only 16 left?? :( " yknow
you know when I was watching one piece for the 1st time I was on the 450th episode and went "aw man I only have 450 left"
that's what's supposed to happen
When Elaine got her wings for the first time, I was kinda hoping she would gain an adult form, you know like King did a season later. Author had an out but decided not to take it.
Her final form was more or less an adult form, just very petite. It just came way too late.
The evil Elaine reintroduction was a pretty good chance to change up her design. She could have aged herself up to match Bon and kept the form afterward.
Siiiiiiiggghhhhh
@@NegaHumanX Again, it did actually happen, but quite a bit later, around the time Harlequin got his own adult form.
@@MrGksarathy Which episode did she get it? I thought Harlequin got his adult form right off the bat (Isn't it his fat form?) and google doesn't show her looking any older as far as I can find.
I think I stopped watching around the time the big rock was dropped on Elizabeth, which might be where my confusion is coming from.
Escanor carried the anime. If it wasn't for him nobody would talk about it.
Yeah
that's how you now Escanor was the strongest sin
Shame he was killed off right before the anime ended. But hey, at least he won’t be involved with a lot of pedophilic ships being canon.
@@samflood5631
Three word
Merlin IS 12
@@samflood5631and yet you can die and no one will will remember you while this anime and its sequel will exist.
This show really is the embodiment of "that was a good idea, so let's do it poorly" Best example is the chaos final fight. The idea of meliotis being stuck in an illusion where he thinks he has to fight chaos alone because everyone else grew old and died is super cool, but it is so poorly written and so awfully resolved that it hurts by how much of a waste of potential it is
Yeah but brainwash all the races to believe one guy was actually another one to screw up the balance is interesting but it’s just dumb how they did it
No cause there were so many good ideas and character design that were WASTED on this story. Just makes you want to rewrite it out of disappointment
Just watch the episode of Persona 4 the Animation where they fight the gamer guy to see that concept done well
@sethhowell3067 Amen to that 🫥. Because there were so many points of potential good storytelling. Instead, we got this flaming pile of garbage
"I swear officer, she consented in her past life." made me spit out my coffee 😂😂
My immediate thought was ok R Kelly
I'm so glad he mentioned how r wordy this show is.
Fucking nonsense. I argued with people for like 2 hours about it on Reddit. That it doesn't ducking matter if they were in love in a past life lmao.
@@bobdylan1968that’s literally how the magic works
@@bobdylan1968also the thing where ban falls in love with soemone he literally admits looks like a kid.
@@bobdylan1968ESPECIALLY the fact that Elizabeth is 16 at the time
I read the Manga as it was released and describing it as a slippery slope of falling down an escalator for 24 hours is much more accurate than I'd like to admit.
You'd think it could do something right by pure chance but the series somehow defies all logic. I kept reading in the hope that something would salvage it, and after Rock-kun it was just spite.
This was somewhat similar to my experience of watching the first half of Love Flops, albeit worse because of the time frame and because, frankly, you know *exactly* what you're watching happen when you watch Love Flops willingly.
I read 2/3 of the manga. Early on Meliodas and a holy Knight throw a spear at each other from different towns. Each character being a walking intercontinental ballistic missile was the coolest thing I'd I've seen. Then every Escanor scene was pure Chad energy. The series does some of the greatest power fantasy writing. But the actual plot being an ourborus of ass pulls ruined it for me.
@@thakillman7 Hey Nakaba Suzuki, what plot twist have you come up with to keep the readers engaged now that you're entering the final arch of your beloved Manga series?
"Rock falls, she dies."
What?
"LMAO, jk."
reading the manga as aired was such an experience im glad i was a part of it really just wouldn't fucking end
The fact they did EVERY anime troupe awfully and I still watched it is impressive
Because it was good
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I have no hope in humanity thanks to people like you. Absolutely no standards I swear. You liked it, it wasn't good, learn the difference please.
@@belgium_solo_versno probably because they were young.
I think that's more just telling of your own masochism than anything 😅
What surprised me is that every single character have sad backstory.
LITERALLY EVERYONE.
And a lot of them HAVE THE SAME SAD BACKSTORY.
And there is never an episode where someone doesn't have a tear in the eye
"My obviously underaged love interest is either dead or set to die in a specific timespan that allows the pacing to move as slowly as possible in favour of weak character development! So sad!"
Meliodas really told Ban "Oh, you witnessed your girlfriend die before your eyes. Hold my beer" with his backstory
Almost like Kengan ashura
@@theyusane668But the difference is, Kengan Ashura did it better. It made us sympathize with a characters and/or understand where they're coming from.
But not for the Seven Deadly Sins characters that revolves around a child in some way. Other than Gowther, the main characters either married a child, fell in love with a child, or is a thousand years old and looks like a child.
The rock falling out of nowhere to smash Elizabeth had me rolling.
Oh my God, they killed Elizabeth!
@@SolarMoonWave YOU BASTARDS!!
In the manga that was the most shocking shit.
@@SolarMoonWave You bastards!
The rock fallng to crush her was the cliffhanger for a weekly chapter when that "final" arc ended, when all the writing on the wall was that the series was over and going to end soon. It was so fucking funny the week that chapter came out.
One thing that you didn't mention is the armor of the background character holy knights. In the early seasons, only the big bad special holy knights had funky armor with weird colors and abilities and shit. The background knights had regular, semirealistic metallic armor. But in later seasons, everyone just has whacky, colorful armor like medieval power rangers. Always bugged me.
I will admit that I like the _designs_ of all the armor, even if they were spammed toward the end.
True. This was a huge loss from the power creep, and I'm glad Four Knights of the Apocalypse has brought it back. Nakaba always excelled at creating monster of the week and miniboss Holy Knights.
It helps that this is where he can lean on the Matter of Britain the most.
Schrödingers pedophile is now one of my favorite phrases
I don't think you understand the words you're using.
@@jonny8774Is it wrong to enjoy absurd phrases?
He never said that.
@@Mabra51 Yeah he does. When talking about Ban and Elaine.
@@greenapple9477 No he doesn't.
You know, I criticize Netflix a lot for how they've handled their anime licenses, including when they originally held this show back for months on end before unceremoniously dropping it onto their servers.
But then, them doing that means I never remembered to watch past season 1, so really they saved me on that one.
Season 1 had an amazing and consistent German dub
Season 2 forward they literally changed more then half the voice actors and switched names/pronunciation of some character names, sometimes multiple times for the same person in the same sentence from the same person.
@@TheThursty100 damn lmao
Oh hey, it's you! Neat!
same.
Season 2 was at least fun
Escanor carried tho
Kind of funny that Escanor, who is the most relatable and least disturbed character in the story, got yeeted out of the story in the most badass way so he wont witness the shit show that happens in the end
I choose to believe he caught a glimpse of what was coming somehow and went "Welp, better go while the gettin's good. Later nerds."
So basically, Escanor Bardock’d his way out of the story, where he saw the future and decided “And I now welcome the sweet embrace of death”, except what he saw was worse than anything Dragon Ball GT could throw at him.
Kind of appropriate, considering his English VA is also Gohan.
@@colonelmustang854This comment got a good laugh out of me. The thought that Bardock saw into the future of how whack Super would become so he just noped out is hilarious
@@Perry.... mean, from what was shown in the latter chapters of the Granolah arc, he had a bit of a hand in what went down there.
He wasn't killed, he was spared.
I'm exhausted just hearing the recap of the series, I can't imagine how the people who watched the whole thing must have felt X3
Try reading the manga weekly
@@BlueBlazeKing Oh god, right? I think around the time of the purgatory bs I just held on because I wanted to know just how stupid the ending could get. I expected nothing and was still disappointed.
@@asthmaticbee I believe I fully gave up when the Demon King possessed Zeldris. Like I remember reading the chapter with some friends during lunch and went on a whole 5 minute rant about the mangaka being a hack
@@BlueBlazeKing I stopped watching when they defeated him for the first time. I never knew the show kept going because i tought it ended there xd
honestly saved myself from a waste of time, and by then the only thing that kept me going was curiostity on how it was goin to end
I was recently in the hospital and the man next to me was watching it on full volume FOR 7 HOURS STRAIGHT. Made the whole hospital experience significantly worse.
You have serious mental endurance. I wouldn’t have managed to stay in a bed near that during open heart surgery.
“Use…… headphones… please…” *perishes*
My condolences.
My God, what happened to you? Did the guy next to you binge watch the entire series, on full volume?
Are you sure you were at a hospital, and not an elaborate CIA torture chamber?
That sounds horribly hilarious.
I was once forced to watch an episode of this show without context. When i tried to excuse myself and leave the guy showing it to me put his hand on my shoulder and pushed me back down into the chair. I should add he was forcing me to watch it without sound, on his phone, in a cafeteria.
😮
Did he want to not have to suffer his dread knowledge alone or was he just a really weird dude? Both can be true at once, of course.
@@ConvincingPeople he wanted to show me how Eligor's powers worked because we had talked about the show the day before and he had mentioned Eligor.
@@ConvincingPeople or, eskinor. Not eligor.
@@CypressPunk34 Hmmm. So the subtype of "really weird dude" where it's "overly invested in explaining something despite the other person's pronounced lack of interest."
I actually liked the idea that Meliodas was a demon at first. I thought it was interesting for the main character to be a surviving member of a race sealed away 3000 years ago, especially when the broken sword handle he carries around is revealed to be the key to that seal. The happy go lucky MC knowingly preventing the return of his people and family in order to avoid a world destroying holy war seemed pretty cool for a character representing the sin of wrath.
But then he's actually the demon prince and gets a depressingly badly animated magic set of clothes to show his edgy dark side. They really soured the rest of small things I liked about the series.
I think even as a demon prince it could've been interesting. Abandoning his brothers, father and clan but the sake of his friends and the one he loves, only to watch that person die time and time again before him, he hides his wrath and depression with a happy smile, but his anger still leaks out and causes harm to the people he loves. He returns willingly with his brothers to inherit the throne so as to protect his friends and free elizabeth, allowing for some interesting character interactions with estarossa and zeldris, only be further emotionally damaged by the revelation that estarossa is mael and that his father simply wanted to possess, he now fights for the people that truly care for him, completely overcoming his wrath and gaining control over his full power.
This could also help develop zeldris's and estarossa's character's, as zeldris could feel resentment and jealousy towards meliodas betraying them, while estarossa can form an actual bond with meliodas that isn't just a memory of ludociel replaced with meliodas, making him all the more conflicted when he regains his memories since now he has actual memories of both ludociel and meliodas as his brother.
I think it was still good. I don't understand why i don't see anyone talking about the Merlin/Arthur/Chaos part. That's where I lost it.
if only it did the manga justice that wouldve been so cool
It became way too convoluted towards the ending of the show, it just felt like they had no plan so they just kept changing the script and not going back to make sure it actually fit correctly. The show could’ve been interesting if it just stuck to its first explanation instead of adding things to it
@@stellamariefanboy.6768 honestly I was fine with it up until the demon king died, they should've kept the Arthur stuff for the sequel or made a special chapter for it
I remember really appreciating how Diane and Elizabeth interacted, even though they initially had the same love interest, they didn't constantly fight each other about it, and instead were just very supportive friends to one another. You don't always get that in shonen.
It took nearly 49 years but we have two female characters in a shounen with a friendship unrelated to dick.
Now if we can get them to stop breaking rape laws it'll be pretty watchable!
@@RobinTheBotthe only rapist is gowther and he has been imprisoned and fixed himself years ago
@@Luciferthekingofpurgitory WHAT? I havent watched the anime past season 2 but i have read the manga and if the anime followed it at all then gowther is not a rapist holy fuck what?
@@raptorxrise5386 yea he fucking raped a woman like he and even worse he then erased her memories but not of the rape no of her life before the rape
It was in the manga too, Gowther brainwashed her into loving him - as he wanted to know what love was@@raptorxrise5386
I think the absolute worst thing about this show is the fact that the fan base absolutely refuses to accept the reality that Meliodas may be one of the creepiest characters in anime history and they are willing to die on that hill.
And then will turn around and act victimized when people say anime fans are creeps.
You care too much about fictional matter. Please get a life.
Says alot about people, honestly.
Current harem isekais are much worse than SDS
@@verti3213 Honest question: Why? What are the problems exactly?
I lost it when the Demon King plot started repeating itself. I was listening while jogging and I had to stop because I started laughing so hard.
The artist didn't know what to do with Zeldris but didn't want to straight abandon him either so he repeated the sequence.
*Common story-telling wisdom:* What makes a cliché a cliché is the fact that the audience considers them overused and predictable, but the audience also tend to forget that they are overused exactly because they _work._ The trick is often simply to give some sort of a new spin on them, so they seem fresh.
*Seven Deadly Sins:* So, what you're saying is that we should do them at least twice as much?
Everyone else with common sense hearing the responce from 7DS: NO YOU IDIOT!!
SDS: So, I need to do it thrice as much?
Geoff: I'm sorry, Rent-a-Girlfriend, I was too harsh on you.
It is like with wilted lettuce. You just give it a good rinse under ice cold water and it seems much more fresh.
And sometimes you don't even need a new spin on them so much as a solid execution.
@@thesacredlobo the troper's code of honor
I can't believe what they did to Merlin in the end. The complete destruction and decimation of her character at the end was so sudden and so completely out of nowhere, I actually find myself impressed at how bad that was
For me, the problem was only the loli suit part. Otherwise, I always thought she was too shifty and never particularly liked her character, even if I did enjoy her magicking solutions to various problems the Sins faced.
@@MrGksarathy It gets worse when you consider the fact that Arthur turned evil and became the big bad of the sequel series, all because of her!
@@zemox2534 And the worst part is this is all because she had a unrequited crush on Meliodas
@@zemox2534well ...chaos
@@mysteriousdestiny6672 WHAT😀
The moment when Dreyfus comes back and it's revealed that "OOOOH look he was the TRUE mastermind all along!!" was about when I realized how much of an ass pull every single plot turn in this show was.
Shoutout to the Escanor for being the only normal person in the group. He almost had a normal, good, and healthy relationship, he wasn't a pedo, rapist, or a victim.
Nobody there is a rapist or an victim lmao 💀
@@nik0938 woman repeatedly groped before ever giving consent?
You know what? You're right, that's *totally* not sexual assault because she *eventually* consented to it!
@@unnamedenemy9 he used the skull emoji he's unstoppable
@@nik0938 your mentality is why real life victims of sexual assault don't come forward. live or die with that knowledge.
@@nik0938 Gowther and guila
After ages of dealing with a guy that liked this series too much, this was basically a therapy session for me. Thanks for the mental release man.
DUDE SAME my best friend has a fucking tattoo of this show and cries over it cause he's attached so much nostalgia and sentimentality to it. i have to listen to him being genuinely invested in king x diane cause if i told him this is ass he'd get really hurt😭 thank you mr basement this is so refreshing
If you take a cartoon this serious then just don't watch any 💀
@@nik0938 watch Kaguyasama. Maybe don't look at a critic review if you you want to just watch shows without hem being analyzed. Or watch Ascendance of a Bookworm.
Considering this is my gf's favorite anime....
We've all known at least one...
Every relationship is “I met my wife when she was 2, just so happens I was 150”
Which, to be _a little bit fair but only a little_ , if your lifespan is measured in centuries and you're not surrounded by other long-lived sapients, you're going to have to work with what you have.
@@SinHurr it’s less about that and more of them probably thinking “I’m going to rock this girl’s world once they’re legal”
@@glowbies9416 "I’m going to rock this girl’s world once they’re -legal- post pubescent" and that´s sadly the best-case scenario
@@glowbies9416 no. the concept of legality in these cases doesn't align well because of how each of the races work. the fairy race is usually small people regardless, they age slower or faster at variants and can change their forms. the giants are just big and age VERY slow (Diane is 750!), Demons have a strange concept of aging because of how the Demon Realm works, etc. the worldbuilding concepts affected time and age a lot.
@@mekullag once again, the worldbuilding made everything crazy regarding time and age. especially with the main cast. they're all adults, just adults with random magic bs GO! added.🤣
The sequence at 44:50 is absolutely hysterical to me for some reason and I cannot stop replaying it. Everything about it just has me in stitches, gray-haired guy punching at nothing, blonde guy flailing his weird shadow arms at nothing, the giant girl kneeling over looking like she's having an existential crisis, and everybody else is just vibing. Truly one of the anime of all time.
hawk is a little surprised to say the least
💀
Lmao
Reminds of the Marquis Of Death, but slightly less believable.
This video helped me get the punchline of the joke I played on myself like 4 years ago by thinking this was one of the best shows
Power levels were the worst things to be introduced to this series
I wouldn't say so, given we only ever hear it brought up a few more times to show how much of a power up from training different characters get or from a power up, the escanor vs melinda and to show how powerful Cusack and Chandler are, those are the last two times we ever hear it brought up again.
Showing power levels with numbers is bad writing in general
I pretty much bailed when that was introduced. (though I was watching the show becuase of the game and I was curious with what the content was in the anime) hell I even quit the mobile game the show was based on, but by then I quit when I got around....... uh. It was after we meet Merlin. I can't remember exactly. Though I will say the Demons are a bit... lackluster in design, though this is from someone who's more used to Doom 2016 where the enemies are actually threatening and would wipe everyone off the map.
They're not always terrible. But they need to be introduced near the beginning.
It's a bad sign if power levels are just jammed into the setting after the first arc.
I remember when Yu Yu Hakusho suddenly started evaluating every characters' combat traits in it's last arc.
It was done so awkwardly, it didn't add anything to the fights.
Plus by that point, the main characters had gotten so strong, it was unnecessary to hold them to a grading system.
It's the same with SDS. I think characters stopped mentioning power levels halfway through the Commandment arc.
Not the sexual assault, pedophilia, grooming and brainwashing?
Merlin accidentally leaving the door to hell open acually sounds like the premise of a great show...
Oops! I accidently left the gates of hell open and brought Armageddon on earth !
@@ineedtopiss6249Oh shit! There goes Lucifer murdering the populace again. Sorry guys kinda forgot was in a rush to my lab lol
Gigguk ref
Considering the original theme was medieval tales and such, This would’ve bern an actually good storyline with these legends. “The great sorcerer Merlin left the gates of hell open!” would’ve been a great premise if the show wasn’t a shitshow.
I'd say it sounds like the premise of a fun gag.
Trust me, reading the manga as that last arc of fuckery going on was far more painful than the anime. At least with the anime you could binge it all in a day or two. We waited weeks while the demon king kept getting resurrected and characters kept turning evil for no reason other than the editors wanted to wring this series for all the blood it could. This series is a prime example of why you shouldn't create a story based on one good idea.
Case in point, Seven Deadly Sins is the anime equivalent of either Twilight or the Kissing Booth trilogy in terms of how bad it is.
25:12 don't forget, he killed her dad too. Gowther is probably the only character that deserves to be called an anti-hero. Actually, he's just a terrible person.
Anti hero?
No. This is Anti VILLAIN territory: An actual psychopath that commits horrible acts that at least sometimes also does good when motivated.
And you know why? Because he stopped wearing the armor that kept his morals in check... to help her dad. T-T
Still terriblu, though.
edit: Hold up. Killed her dad. Erased memory of her brother. Dude was an isolating abuser playing the long game. Holy fudge nugget.
@@leiderhosen7110 a shitty Accelerator
@@questioningespecialy9107 Spoiler:
Well, he wouldn't have needed the armor in the first if he hadn't turned off his emotions when his first girlfriend, the king of Liones' sister who had a heart condition, died and didn't want to deal with the new emotions he experienced from her death
@@clarehidalgo Don't go blaming him for his own desperate mistakes. 😔
My favorite part of the show is when the demons can push any persons soul out of their body so they can eat it and then they continue to not use that power at any point ever to win a fight, nor does meliodas use it ever despite being a demon.
Facts its such a broken ability, I always laugh when people compare meliodas abilities against Naruto or luffy and even other characters and meliodas just lose for dumb reasons
@@jerryudenkwo If he never thinks to use it in canon, why would he think to use it in a hypothetical crossover fight?
Meliodas doesn’t like using his demon powers when not fighting demons and some of the commandments do try and do that melascula tried to bans but it somehow escaped and she gave up then she tried escanor soul not realizing it was the sun and burnt herself so when 2 of the sins have ways to block soul damage she probably sent the memo “ guys don’t try and eat the souls of the sins it doesn’t work “
The fact that they could have made Elaine older and have more adult body would probably somehow save her.
Literally
nah
@@user-yd4om1qw3n Not everyone's a lolicon like you.
Wait... Jericho goes for Ban's kid? WTF?
Apparently the author was a big fan of Twilight.
Yup. It happens in the sequel
“IT SHOULD BE ME, NOT HIM! ITS NOT FAIR!”
So sad you didnt mention the whole dramatic part of that damn pig being burned to death only to resurrect as a tiny pig later the same episode. Instantly pissed me off
Did they ever explain what that talking pig was
@@MrEndstage Wasnt that pig like the kid of the huge green mossy one
@@Vamptreno, Hawk came from the place the demon King was traped in. And Hawks "mom" was just the demon Kings "puppet" to keep an eye on Meliodas
@@niclas1924 Oh dangg i only remember the gag of that thing being its mother but that makes way more sense
@@MrEndstagekinda. Hawk was taken from purgatory at birth or at least shortly after birth
"Her true form is that of yet another 3000 year old loli".
As someone who thought Merlin's adult form was sexy as hell, that is just heartbreaking and cruel. WHY make her a loli?!
Because the author is fucked up
Japan; it’s all they know.
@@SingWhenTheEndComes as someone who remembers Kiss Shot from Bakemonogatari, I have this to say:
STOP TURNING HOT ANIME WOMEN INTO LOLIS!
I miss the days of Lupin the Third.
Honestly, as someone who thought Merlin's adult form was too fanservicey to the point of being fetish retardant, it was funny as hell.
@@SlickAndroid94 you miss the old days? ah, that’s right. YOU'RE TOO OLD!
Respect to Escanor for being the only consistently cool character throughout the show. As deserved.
King honestly
Escanor was too good for the franchise tbh, it was truly unique that the strongest member of the Sins was the only one with a human lifespan before the power-creep went wild.
Haven't seen the second season. What's so great about him?
Nah, Escanpr simping after Merlin of all people dampened the cool factor for me.
Honest best character for me is Diane. That woman fought tooth and nail for her agency as it was repeatedly stolen. She's also hot, so...
Shout out to Ban for impregnating a loli and making me see that cursed abomination.
For me, Escanor was the best reason to watch. the man defeated two villains without leaving where he stood, and was immune to most disability spells. such as the spell that stole all your stamina and rendered you too weak to stand up. this spell was activated if you showed any hatred for your enemy. but Escanor didn't feel a thing. he then walked right up to the villain's face.
"How can I hate those weaker than me? All I feel is pity."
This sent the villains into orbit with rage. I freakin' loved it. he was a true Chad.
Honestly i’m glad he died before the chaos arc, I would had jumped off if he lost his chad status.
How immature do you have to be to pick your favorite character based on how strong they are instead of real reasons like character development and personality traits.
@@dangerousdays2052 Pffffffft…Personality traits? You mean Diane and king’s only showtime aside from battle is both blushing and crushing at each other. Meliodas assaulting Elizabeth and Elizabeth still thinking its okay, Gowther has no personality and is pretty much a homunculus 70% of the 5 seasons, Merlin was interesting but the show gave her no real reasons to betray her friends for chaos whist Escanor pretty much was a good character who was into poetry.
@@Savieor Melodias Weinstein was the most entertaining and well developed character. Escanor was a feminist simp
@@dangerousdays2052 Meliodas assaulted a minor and all her reincarnations for the past 3000 years, He himself says he cant resist loving her again.
The sexual assault in the first episode already gave me enough reason to dip and never look back. Glad to see my choice was correct
As for the rest of us (at least me), we dipped after the first season, and I'm also glad we made the correct choice.
You dint
@@TheVnator i kinda watched it all and ignored the sexual assault stuff. It is anime, kinda difficult to get around that tbh xd. It is one of the series that just wasted my time i believe but sometimes that is all you want i guess.
That one image of pregnant child loli I saw once turned me off it even further after I stopped the first time
Emotional immaturity
I am genuinely concerned about how often the author of Seven Deadly Sins has his adult male characters marry loltias or people that they helped raise when they were children (and they were still adults). Does anyone know if he's on a watch list?
He read the Tale of Genji once.
@@anusaukko6792what's that
I don't think I've ever watched a show with Loli love interests, but I don't think Loli breaks a show necessarily, it's the context that does. When there's a literal age gap or if there's any form of non con the show automatically breaks.
@@sorensouthard927 If a Loli is in a romance with an adult that's it. Done. It's over. The author clearly has an agenda if they feel compelled to force such a thing into the story. 1000 year old loli dragons be damned.
... I'm genuinely concerned you aren't noticing he does the same thing with male characters. Mel looks like a teenager, King looks like a kid - I mean, I guess shota is okay to you. =\
I started this show solely for Ban, but between Elizabeth's whiny voice, the constant sexual harassment by Meliodas, how ludicrously fast-paced everything is and the derpy artstyle, I just could not.
Me too! I was so excited for an attractive character closer to my age at the time. Then they introduced Elaine, but I thought “maybe they’re just friends.” Then they weren’t and I thought “well she’s dead, so maybe he can learn to move on.” Then he *didn’t* so I decided I didn’t have to waste my time.
@@crystalfairy912 Literally all the Sins are traps in some way, from Ban being into ancient lolis to Diane being attracted to shotas that are older than her, Escanor is the least bad of them but it doesn't negate the fact Merlin's true form is a 3000yrs+ old loli that's a thot for Mel (just why?).
@@lynxfresh5214 i mean he didn't fell in love in merlin bc she was a loli, when her true form was shown he already fell in love with her as a person. In my pov it is less painful than ban x elaine. The pregnancy elaine deeply disturbed me
@@yaB0i_Hawkx how? when all of the fairy race are just comically short. that doesn't make sense.
@@mikebipping6166 Oh no, we *did* watch the show. And after watching the show, none of the situations got any better.
Your description of Gowther’s story arc gave me the absolute creeps. It’s like the Tin Woodsman as sex offender.
🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭
Gowther is like a typical SAO villain
@@steelheart538💀💀
@@steelheart538at least the rapists in SAO are actually portrayed as evil unlike this show. You know you fucked up when SAO did something better than you.
I actually think there's potentially interesting storytelling to be found in the whole 3000 year old Loli thing, if someone besides Interview With a Vampire, would explore the frustration and problems that come with being trapped in a child's body. If the fairies weren't able to alter their age at will, but just stopped aging at that point, there is a lot you can do with that idea to make it something truly great. Claudia from Interview With a Vampire is probably my favorite part of that movie, because the situation she finds herself in would become a nightmare after your mind has matured well past your static body. Her rage over being stuck as a child, while yearning for someone that refuses to acknowledge her as an adult was a genuinely fascinating take on the "immortal" character that doesn't get explored nearly enough.
Oh so baby doll from batman
@@hamnporkgamer Exactly like Baby Doll
This concept is touched on in the movie/book Let The Right One In
The only time I've ever seen this sort of concept executed pretty well is with Babette in Skyrim, she was turned into a vampire when I think she was like 12 or 13 and when the game takes place she's about 300 and is using her looking like a child to her advantage as an assassin of the dark brotherhood because no one in their right mind is going to even suspect a little girl of being a seasoned killer let alone be afraid of one
They tried doing a similar thing in Eternals with Sprite, who's in love with adult-looking Ikaris.
I genuinely thought I was going insane watching this show and slowly realizing that each new relationship they revealed was yet another kind of creepy pedophilia lmao. I think anyone who watches anime has built up a decent tolerance for at least some creepy trope nonsense, but this was seriously on another level and I'm so glad I dragged myself out of it before it got somehow worse. I kept telling myself the fights were worth it, then kept telling myself Escanor was worth it, but nothing was worth it. It was Just Terrible.
Please explain how. I wasn't aware there was a mental child involved in a relationship with an adult.
Oh! I get it! You're judging based off of looks! Body shaming! That's awful. You're an awful person. =(
I bailed after only a handful of episodes b/c the whole recurring "MC does sexual assault but, like, lightheartedly" thing seemed an ill omen... but HOLY HOT GARBAGE did I underestimate the intensity of cringe that actually portended.
I feel like someone who avoided stepping on a dog turd just now learning it was in fact a landmine.
@@GoldenPantaloons I stopped at the same time for the same reason and oh my god I'm only halfway through the video how much worse does it get?!
I don't think you understand the words you're using.
I remember seeing Ban's gf in his flashback for the first time and was absolutely horrified. Meliodas was bad but I guess my brain went "He's just another gross annoying perverted anime man." But Ban's dead fairy loli had me genuinely disgusted and hoping he didn't revive her. Then I saw the flashback of Diane and King's backstory and was just questioning why the hell I was watching it, thankfully I was watching with friends so we all collectively shat on it at the time while laughing. Then after S1 ended I found out Elaine comes back and noped the hell out forever. Years later I saw some of the creator's art as well as hearing about the whole "Elizabeth is Meliodas' forever child bride" and realized mans is peddling his barley disguised pedo fantasies, I've never felt so much shame for watching an anime in my life lmao.
Say what you will about Seven Deadly Sins, but I think that Escanor's feelings for Merlin are hella wholesome and the closest thing to pure in this entire show.
Escanor was a true chad who died protecting his true love, He was an absolute legend.
@@Savieor Nah, Escanor was a simp. The only thing legendary about him was his virginity. 🤣😂
@@dangerousdays2052 Escanor knew that Merlin would never love him and he is nothing but a pawn and chose to die protecting her, Also yeah night-escanor was a simp but we talkin about day escanor, Even with his pride he still appreciates merlin.
Block some people say that seven deadly sins is a horrible show but besides the inappropriate parts I think it was a pretty good show for me to watch especially when they made the new season/movie part one at this time that I am saying this comment part two has not come out but I know win.
What really sucks about the falloff from the first season is that there actually was a genuine attempt at setup and payoff. The downfall of the Fairy Kingdom and the actions of its few survivors are important to the backstory of 3 of the sins (admittedly, Diane’s is a bit of a stretch), and many elements of the finale connect back to this moment. One of the major antagonists for this part is King’s best friend, and the demon whose blood is used to power up all the Holy Knights was the one responsible for the forest burning down, and that Ban killed in revenge. It actually sucks that the writing kept doubling down on the worst parts, because I can see potential for interesting connections like that later in the series.
honestly, the early parts of it, what i would call "the holy knights saga", though idk if that's an actual name for it, was actually pretty good (even if meliodas was a bit annoying).
They did King dirty (in the overall story I mean) and for that I would never forgive them.
@@juliogomez2534 Yup and now he has became the type of guy that would chill inside his lover's boobs while his friend and brother-in-arms literally burns to death in front of him, I mean WTF!?!.
@@lynxfresh5214 It's kinda ironic that King's technique was limited only by his imagination, since that was the first thing the author stop using in the fights.
I cannot believe I thought this anime was good dear lord I must’ve been really young. Fucked up ships involving sexual assault through reincarnations and memory wipes, showing fan service when people are literally dying, introduces interesting powers or characters for a few moments only for us to never see them again, and so much more. You made me laugh out loud many times with the many messed up things you pointed out that just completely went over my head. Thank you so much for telling us the countless flaws this anime has it was very fun.
So it’s true that Jericho gave up on Ban and now wants to bone his son????😳😳
Did the author watch Twilight Breaking Dawn, saw the Jacob/Reneesme imprinting thing and was all “I GOT IT💡”
That would make a lot of sense if they did.
shit I hope you had to look up that reference, I barely recognized it as "that fucked up mormon baby porn thing"
The author has some weird "tastes" in relationships (and yes it is true, in the sequel Knights of the Apocalypse)
After all the crap she went through: being turned into a monster, losing her brother, falling for a man that's into lolis and more, I'm convinced the author actually hates her for some reason lol!
I was thinking the same thing. Like wtf? 🤢
wow, that "GODDAMN IT I HATE THIS ANIME SO MUCH" felt *real* . I felt that in my heart. Hope you're doing well, Geoff.
finally someone that remembers DBZ's Power Levels are bullshit & knowing them is a Debuff, AND that said statement is actually Canon & not just a joke TeamFourStar wrote
The problem is that, for some reason, characters keep getting fucking numbers somehow. People just refuse to stop doing the bizarro math required to measure how many quinbazillions they're up to now without stopping to realize that it's just absurd.
@@funnyvalentinedidnothingwrong except no they don't, the Scouters have a hard limit & after Freeza they disappear entirely
& yeah Fans keep trying to "math" Power levels is basically what i just said
(also as far as we know Freeza made up his 1 Million Power level, why is anyone trusting Mr "Namek will explode in 5 Minutes")
@@Artista_Frustrado thought the DBZ guide books showed Frieza's power level. The Daizenshu (sorry if i misspelled it) said Super Saiyan Goku had a PL of 150 million while full power Frieza had 120 million.
I know power level doesn't matter anymore, but I'm sure that the Daizenshu has a lot of accurate info of the series in it.
@@phantom-X2086 Daizenchou is basically the equivalent of the George Lucas or JK Rowling's Lore interviews:
yes is technically official that the authors are humoring the question, but they aren't meant to be taken as canon
so yeah as far DBZ itself is concerned Freeza is full of shit with both Power Levels AND Namekian Time
@@Artista_Frustrado In fairness, it not taking 5 minutes is because the anime dragged time out. In actuality it likely was 5 minutes.
The demon king telling the brothers their girlfriends are dead and you reusing the same script for both had me cracking up.... Edit: until you explained it.
seeing elane who looks like a child pregnant was deeply upsetting. just,,,,, why. why? why does she have to look like she’s 10? why did god permit this to be made? why didn’t he step in and stop this? i think i need to lie down
considering he doesnt step in to stop child rape and deaths of hunger in real life,i asume the reason is he doesnt exist or is a major asshat
We know why 😢
Lol because there is no god
Not only that, but all the fairys have an adult form. WHY DIDN'T THEY MADE HER PREGNANT IN HER ADULT FORM? I hate ban and his "love" story.
I just wished that Elaine was an adult like king.
Remember when they mentioned Elizabeth used to fight? Remember when she came to back up Meliodas when he confronted the demon king???? No? Yeah i dont blame you, i could never get over how they tried to make Elizabeth seem like a badass yet she litterally did nothing but heal or be emotional support
she wasn't resigned to healing and emotional support because she was incapable or because the writer didn't care, but because she was clearly characterised as a pacifist. (her past as bloodie ellie was back before she even met meliodas, so recovering her memories wouldn't suddenly make her fight alot more)
It gets even worse once you notice how much she gives the middle finger to other goddesses and only gets off her ass for non goddesses.
Don't disrespect healers. If you ever play a tabletop RPG, that'll be the last mistake you ever make. They're the core and most important part of every party, and her healing was basically on the level of "so long as you're not dead Elizabeth can fix you".
Oh gods yes. I like the manga, but this always stuck out. She actually did more when she still hadn't unlocked her full abilities.
@@SilimSavertin like Orihime (Bleach) ?
“Maybe this will be the one row so I don’t have to suffer for!”
Oh, Geoff. You poor, sweet summer child.
Just wait until Fairy Tail (trust me that thing will kill you how generic it is)
yeah, as a fairy tail fan, it is generic as hell. damn good soundtrack and some decent plot twists about the eclipse gate.
@@madkoala2130 Eh. That at least has Erza to make up for some of it.
Fairy Tall wasn't nearly as unbearable as NnT. At least FT never tried to be or pretend to be anything but a head empty mind clear shonen.
@@Brasswatchman and the eclipse gate plus backstory as well as some decent humor for for a bit more.
21:57 "And Jericho finally gives up on him and settles on trying to fuck their son." Sounds like a Twilight plot copy pasta if I've ever seen one.
My heart honestly sank a bit when you mentioned that people excused Gowther's more atrocious actions by saying, "He's Literally Neurodivergent", because that says a *lot* about how those people think of us. Like, weebs, c'mon, we're neurodivergent; not abusers. What the HFIL is wrong with you?
Lol. Well, what do you expect when you use vague ass terms like Neurodivergent? The definition says it's someone who isn't mentally typical. This could be anything between high functioning autism to bat shit insane. Maybe yall shouldn't have made up a stupid umbrella word because you thought the actual mental disorder names made you feel bad?
Although I know that it’s a meme, I feel you. I also don’t like it at all.
Don't try to separate these people from your community, we both know a lot of those people are also LGBT+ people too.
"Weebs"? You mean the writers...
@@CatBitchNamiwhat has lgbtq+ have to do anything with this
The Meliodus / Elizabeth relationship explanation made me feel like I was going insane.
i dont think it was emphasized enough how what meliodus and king were doing was TEXTBOOK grooming too like wtf its so gross
@@Pathfinder-qp1he as the explanation went on, it just sounded worse and worse lol
@@Pathfinder-qp1he But it's okay because Elizabeth was always meant to be Meliodas' lover, so might as well prep her for it... (sarcasm)
@@e0jay I was gonna lose my shit until I read the sarcasm lol
@@Pathfinder-qp1he isn't Meliodus the Literal embodiment of lust?
Okay, I was already laughing pretty hard at all the yikes, like "I swear your honor, she consented in a past life..."
But when you did the Demon King subplot redux, I lost it.
😂🤣
Yeah, I tapped out after two episodes because Meliodas' leechery was just too gross. There's fanservice and then there's whatever the hell this was.
Same
I love how Geoff isn't even yelling about or criticizing any specific part of the show for the most part. He's just reading off a well-detailed plot & character synopsis. He makes subtle pokes between transitions but he never says (this shitty character).
He should be able to call a character shitty if he feels that way about it. Yes, the story is trash all on its own but to hell with sensitive fans.
@@animec-dramaskpop6362 why are you under the impression he's not mentally capable of doing so
@@hi-i-am-atan He's capable but incapable at the same time. He went apeshit on SAO but bc of sensitive SAO *stans* he doesn't go as hard anymore. I think he should make exceptions for complete and utter garbage like 7 deadly sins though.
@@animec-dramaskpop6362 i unno man it just sounds like you don't think pedophilic serial molesters make for shitty heroes, so you have to be overtly told they're shit instead of ... y'know, just being plainly told that the _shonen protag is a pedophilic serial molester as a starting point_ to grasp that geoff _perhaps_ does not have the best opinion on him
@@hi-i-am-atan I'm not a delusional anime stan that has to defend everything about the genre in order to make myself feel better about liking pedo crap. I know right from wrong but hearing someone tear this show to pieces would still be incredibly enjoyable for the simple fact that there are ppl who will still defend this disgusting show.
I hope this one doesn't get age restricted
ME TOO
@@mothersbasement opsy
"Man who lost all hope loses last bit of hope he didn't know he had": the anime
If it turned out the Author got caught with a bunch of CP on his computer, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest.
Seeing how everyone ends being a rapist, a sex offender or a pederast it makes you wonder why they need someone name after the sin of Lust.
I can't believe the amount of "plot" from this anime I just forgot existed. I watched well into season 3 before i dropped it but hearing Geoff give a rub down of everything-- i feel like i have very selective amnesia
I somehow remembered everything, and I don't know how.
Your brain tried to expel all the boring & cringe
@@christianweibrecht6555bold of you to assume i have a brain 😏😏
Shit, be careful. Try to find out if you confessed to a giant recently.
I hear you, I watched the first season and immediately forgot what happened. It's like the series was made by an algorithm.
I never got passed the unconscious booby touching scene. I knew EXACTLY what this series was by that point and I value my time enough to not waste it with terrible art.
Lol same
wdym terrible art? season 1 and 2 were amazing, season 3, ehhh
That's fair. I actually managed to finish the first season years ago, and liked it, but something always felt off about it, and I never went back to watch more. It's only after thinking back to my time with the show that I realized why, and it's the same reason as why you stopped. As I said in another comment, this show is wannabe-anime.
Same, the show seemed like it was gonna have a higher than average amount of creepy anime bullshit
The author of Seven Deadly Sins was actually a huge Bill Cosby fan. In one of his interviews he said that if it weren't for Cosby, he would never have gotten into drawing manga.
The shows romance story is essentially a woman gets raped again and again by a terrible protagonist then gets Stockholm syndrome and fall in love with him and has a child.
Yeah I saw this coming when the mc acted like mineta. Yeah I noped this anime and I’m glad
Nah 7ds is trash but Elizabeth never was raped by Meliodas or hadn't nothing like syndrome stockholm.
Mineta as an "awful little porn goblin"... I was ACTUALLY drinking water and I ACTUALLY did a spit take. I appreciate you sir.
Every time I grow even a little desensitized and expecting of anime creepy inappropriate relationships, mangaka are hard at work to give me a brand new curve ball of "what the fuck don't date her that's horrible" I've never seen before
You are a Church Lady in your soul.
My personal "favorite" from one of the more recent chapters of the sequel: a loli that acts too mature because even though she is a little child for once, she has foretelling powers and has technically already lived through her entire life through her visions. Of course we first find this out when she tries to make moves on her future husband, much older teen boy who may or may not be the same one the holy knight Ban SAd wants to bang.
@@retrohanska4441 I am now burdened with knowledge of one more "what the fuck don't date her that's horrible" and it's entirely your fault
Considering the prevalence of lolis I suspect Japan needs a thousand Chris Hansens
The funniest shit is knowing Meliodas and Elizabeth are cousins since their mom and dad are siblings made by the Chaos God.
And also then there’s the other aunt/uncle the Big Fairy Tree.
Yikes
When pedophilia wasn’t low enough for the show they had to make it incest
Sweet home Alabama!
They're two generations from Chaos. Zeus and Hera are siblings, three or four generations from Khaos, and nobody thinks that's weird.
Rules are different for primordial beings, I guess.
@@timothymclean true, so many gods/goddesses marrying their siblings must’ve been common hence the royal families do the same thing to mimic the gods they worship at the time.
Meliodis saying hands off my woman while holding baby Elizabeth was so funny 😭
Because of how funny it was, or how uncomfortably bad it was due to Meliodis acting like a new born baby is going to be his wife someday.
@@samflood5631it’s funny because its uncomfortably bad
As someone who was in process of watching this I commend you sir. My brain broke down at the Loli girl moment and I stopped watching it. I was already annoyed by Meliodis constantly harassing Miss Mary Sue with no response from her. So hats off to you because even listening to it I got lost. The only loss I gained was knowing Escanore dies, he was the only one I genuinely enjoyed.
Hello i am here to remind you that since chaos created the gods and the demons and they created meliodas and Elizabeth...
They're cousins...
You should read the manga. The anime is a really bad adaptation.
Honestly I think the series (manga included) is badly written. The sequel is no better. Just my opinion of course.
Scared of an anime girl? Pathetic.
Escanor left because he knew that his teammates are a bunch of pedophiles and the woman he has a crush on is 3000 year old girl with the body of a 12 year old.
The saddest part is that this trainwreck got to stumble all the way to its conclusion, while The Promised Neverland got an extended anime original ending in place of a second season.
The Promised Neverland’s second season confuses me. I cannot think why they’d do that. It was one of their most successful shows. Why skip over almost all of it and then put no effort into the things that you actually do. They earn less money this way. Like make it 3-4 seasons
tbf the ending to the promised neverland is absolute cheeks
@@canasdad9115sure, but they still had a lot of solid material to work with before it went off the rails, and they could have improved the ending instead of dedicating 3 slides of a powerpoint to it.
One thing I think is really cool is Ban and Meliodas' friendship because it's 100% genuine. They're practically brothers, and the first thing they do after seeing each other for the first time in years is make a fuss and play arm wrestling.
While destroying a huge prison. That's one of the funniest parts really.
Yeah that was legit my favorite part of the show, it had the immaculate vibe of a max level DND party just fuckin' around.
@@theideaofevil Just casually ripping apart the area like it's nothing, all while rough housing with your boi
It's childish, as if they are not ancient beings. I guess it would appeal to children and manchildren 🤦
@@sepg5084 Learn to have fun.
My mom loves anime. She watches Baki and Bungou stray dogs and her favorite is mob psycho. She tried to watch this one and emailed netflix it was THAT bad. Watching this now to find out what its about and ohhhhhh my god
Ban and Meliodas fighting over who best girl was while accidentally fighting demons was the highlight of the second tournament arc
You know the show is bad when the highlight of a major arc is when the two main characters fight over lolis
Wtf are you talking about? Escanor attacking the commandments is so obviously the highlight and even of that isn't then it's meliodas fighting the commandments
@@RushWheelerit's not the highlight. Escanor is
@@JonasRosadoEscanor being on screen is the best part.
Yeah I enjoyed this show the same way I enjoyed Fairy Tail: just accepting that not even the characters take the show seriously lol
The portrayal of women instantly shut me off. I just thought it was so stereotypical and garbage, so much potential down the drain. And the comparison to Mineta is spot on, how can we be expected to root for a literal predator???
Yeah, honestly it's almost like the writer wanted to make the most 2000s anime that the world had ever seen
I hate this anime but clearly you have no idea what's going on in the story. Being a predator and going after the literal reincarnation of your true love is completely different. Both Mel and Liz are immortal, just immortal in different ways so how can you say mel is a predator when they've both been alive for thousands of years?
@@Zero-Descent oh my lord, i guess sexual harassment is ok if you’ve been together for eternity. Listen to yourself, it isn’t ok no matter what the context. Ur the problem bud
@@haleymckay2067 Sexual harrassment isn't sexual harassment when it's consensual, you're the problem bud. You watch shows and don't pay attention to context or nuance and you just make assumptions.
@@Zero-Descent consensual? She didn’t even remember him. She never said it was ok, at least at the beginning. I cringe to think of what ur definition of “consent” is cause that ain’t it. I’m done talking to you, go learn how to respect woman instead of debating over a topic you have no experience with
Season 1: Good, with great moments and animation.
Season 2: It has its problems, but it's still enjoyable, especially Escanor.
Season 3: The Memes speak for themselves.
Exactly. I haven't even watched season 3 because of the animation and memes. And I still defend the first season for having some good action scenes (for what it was) and for it's music, I think it's the second opening of the first season that I really liked
Yeah I dropped out at season 3
Escanor was best character
Honestly season 3 is just unwatchable. Like in the manga we could just do the whole fight chaos & freeze for later in 10s. In the anime it's just so boring. Everything in season 3 is boring. Season 2 had escanor who just spouts 1 linear like no one's business. Season 1 is decent with good plot, and something payoff like King's friend turned demon who got killed by Ban.
@@Ducky-Paul7087 What I took away from the show was that we got Escanor as a character....and that was it. Everything else after season 2 was a dumpster fire though. Haven't been that let down since Promised Neverland season 2.
There was a lot I liked about Seven Deadly Sins, but there was even more that I hated. I was done with the series when Bon's wildly inappropriate and sketchy romance with Elaine came to light 🤮 I know technically she was thousands of yrs old, but c'mon, we all know what it looked like, and when Bon made a point to mention how much he liked her underdeveloped body, that's when I was done.
meliodas and mineta are literally just that 'office flirting/sexual harassment' meme
The difference is that both of them are (rightfully) hated instead of one getting off scott-free (except in-universe, but that's the result of two very different writers).
@@Hawkatana To be fair, I still see more people defend Meliodas than Mineta
Edit: Okay I thought about it more, and now I agree with you.
I thought of that too, and I agree
ages ago i started this show thinking it looked like a fun romp. i got to the part where protag-kun gropes elizabeth while she’s unconscious and immediately turned it off and this video is telling me that was the correct decision
Wait that made you drop it? Dropping it after season 2 is understandable but your reason is applicable to most shounen or seinen anime series
@@pixadragon46 And moust shonen and senien series SUCK for that exact reasone
I initially dropped it after first groping but then a buddy of mine said it gets good, keep going, so I did and while I have to say I don't hate the show as much as most people here and I think it's stupid that we try to analyze morals of fantasy world based on morals of our world, I also know I would have lost nothing of value if I never returned after those first 10 minutes.
@@hectorrodriguezgonzalez8938 I'm kinda ok with it, well one of my first anime was DBZ ohh boy watching master roshi grope women as a kid always flew over my head and then there is the scene between bulma and roshi in early DragonBall that I also watched as a kid 🤣
@@hectorrodriguezgonzalez8938 the good fights and story telling make it up for me and as a teen some of the fanservice was appreciated
I liked Derriere and Monspiet. They had the balls to wear 1/2 an outfit between them, a personal relationship not tied exclusively to Meliodas, sympathetic backstories that werent a complete mess (looking at you Meliodas bros), character growth, and i have a thing for angry girls with messy blond hair.
Pretty well written by this shows standards and i wish better for them.
Angry girls with messy blonde hair? Watch Toradora if you haven't yet lol
The 2 should have lived and joined the sins to fight the bad guys in the end
@@pokeluis2002 It didn't help what their Commandment curses did was clearly written in retrospect but yeah it's truly something that soul eating demons had the most healthy chemistry in terms of romantic pairings.
oh god, get a room
I was got so mad when they both died, they should have survived and got redeemed.
I now realized that I rationalized the thing with Ban and Elaine by focusing on the fact that she was a fairy, who was supposed to look petite and young and all...
But then I realized that no amount of narrative context could ever be enough to avoid the simple question: "Why? *Why* did she have to look like a pre-teen?!"
Don't get me wrong, the idea of the thief falling in love with the queen of fairies and then her sacrificing herself by imbibing him with the fountain of youth's power during a demonic incursion is unironically a great setup for a character like Ban.
And yet, that one question still stands, GODDAMIT!
I feel like an idiot!😢
Thank God this is back! Your roasts was WAY better than anything this series got!
you saw the video before it was taken down? was there anything huge that was edited/censored in this new version? i want to make sure i’m not missing out on that sweet Basement Lore
@@Judefluff525 As far as I remember it’s pretty much the same minus visual naughty ness.
@@Judefluff525 it would appear youtube didn't like the red blood.
The sticky white fluid appears to be fine, though.
...I am so freaking angry that that twist of the demon finding out that he was, in fact, the angel he thought he'd killed and was just brainwashed to think he was a demon was WASTED in a series like this one! SERIOUSLY, that's such a cool idea, I'd read a whole manga about that /alone/. Except now I can't, because this insult to both literature /and/ trash has already used it! I AM RAGE!!!!!
Now I have a lot of problems with the idea that nobody would recognize him and tell him who he actually was
@@RediTtora ...yes, accurate, now I'm mad about that first thing I mentioned and also this thing!
Btw, you can still use it. Just never say where it came from.
@@pookydookyneo4011 it never came from any anime it’s a pure idea no one did this before ever .
@@RediTtora to be fair OG gowther changed everyone's memories when he changed the angel's identity.
"The whole point of scouters in the original Dragon Ball was that relying on them too much made the Frieza Force worse at fighting"
And thus, Geoff singlehandedly destroyed the arguments that 99% of the Dragon Ball Z fandom keeps having online
What arguments?
Sad thing is I've heard this point being brought up for years and people STILL argue power levels forever.
@@obliviongigan6360 That people just keep talking about power levels and how someone is stronger than someone else because big number go grrr
It's unfortunate that pretty much every fight after Vegeta and before Kid Buu *was* won by whoever had the higher power level. It kinda kills the series' message in its first half.
@@johndevlin9225 power levels aren’t even discussed anymore after Far Buu was revived