Hp-38 is a lot like Unique, it cleans up as you approach a maximum load. Currently I'm using Power Pistol and CFE Pistol with great success and I'll stick with them once my 8lb jug of HP-38 is done.
I recently bought 2 1-pound containers of Win231 last month and came up with a load development for my 9mm and 45ACP. I was wondering about the temperature sensitivity of this powder. Also just learned here that it is pretty much HP-38. Thank you very much for the information and your time into this video.
Bullseye was the first powder I ever used. I switch to Winchester 231 because it made her better. But you nailed it, a great performer but very very dirty. I
Have you tried W244 yet? It's one of Winchester's newest powder offerings, and is supposed to be a much cleaner burning powder than 231. I've been loading .45 Colts, 9mm, and .38 SPLs with it for a few months here and there. But I unfortunately haven't been able shoot any of them yet. I have lit the powder on fire though, and from that it does appear to burn cleaner than 231, burning with a brighter flame and leaving less residue behind on the metal plate I use. I know that burning in the open isn't a perfectly accurate picture of the same powder burning inside a case. But I think its at least some indication. Hopefully when the range opens back up near me, I'll be able to put my W244 rounds to the ultimate test.
just picked up my first container of Win 231 to load up some 38 special, bought a 357 mag Henry that shoots both but there was only 38 special ammo available, i can't stand to waste brass lol. appreciate the background. looking forward to firing off the first batch.
I am normally a unique loader but i used the Hp-38 as my go to powder for non magnum applications, lately I've been developing a cast 40s&w load with 4.6 gns of hp-38 and a lyman 401" 175gn bullet to shoot out of my beretta 96D centurion, i started with 4.0gns and got 760fps alittle on tne weak end but functional. My new load will be 4.6gns and expecting the velocity to be around 840fps.
I'd like to get 1400 primers to go with it. It seems to me that everytime there is any shortage the manufacturers say screw reloaders. We get cut off. Their excuse is all product is going to commercial manufacturing. During normal times we can get product. Any glitch in the system and you are screwed. Maybe shooters should just stay off the range for quite awhile and let these guys think about who they serve. Let their ammo set on the shelves.
I sense a little negativity in your comment. Understanding the nature of the industry is a feast or famine cycle, it is in the best interest of the reloading community to “beat them at their own game” so to speak and during the plentiful times stock up. As I see it there are two things we can do. Support politicians that are strong second amendment advocates, secondly, If things every return to normal stock up.
@@Rusty_ok You're right about my attitude. When things are MORE normal these companies are glad to sell you all the product you want. Not so much when things go the other way. I just think they ought to go a little further to take care of the people that support them in normal times. But, all my whining ain't gonna change a thing!! Lol!
Of course the reloaders get cut off. There are only a few manufacturers of primers, most of whom also manufacture ammunition. If there is a run on their product and they can sell all the ammo they can make, and munition factories will pay virtually any price to get primers because they are literally out of business without them, then every primer they can make is going to manufacturers of commercial ammo. If you know how primers are made, it isn't something they can just open more assembly lines to mass produce. They are practically crafted by hand by a handful of workers with nerves of steel. The primers available to reloaders in normal times are basically the surplus that the ammo companies didn't want.
@@Rusty_ok Actually stocking up is the issue. if people did not live in fear cycles they would buy what they need not over buy which makes it more scarce for everyone. I buy what I need and don't gorge or over buy. Its the people that buy 20x what they need that keeps prices high. That is why some store are limiting it to 2 boxes of primers per person. People can't control selves so the stores have to.
Really, I just got a 629-4” shot 44 special (200 Grn rnfp) 800+ FPS real fun 🤩 to shoot no kick 🦵--I also shot some 44 magnum 240 Berry’s jfp 19grn of w296-any ways I’m gonna try your recipe for home protection -- you know any other powders for just plinking ? Recipes ? Let me know thanks
the reason you don't use 231 for magnum loads is that its to hot & it will make the pressure go up & then you run the risk of blowing up your gun. but you can make up a good defense round in 40s&w & 45acp.
If you were to have only one pistol powder win 244 (old 231) is the one to have for 32 acp to colt 45. Next might be unique but it meters poorly on progressives vs 244.
It really is dirty. I thought Unique was dirty but this stuff is even worse. A guy at the range on the bench beside me asked if I was loading with black powder. That's how smoky and filthy it shoots. I can't speak for the accuracy since I'm shooting steel at 20 feet so any hit is a good hit as far as I'm concerned. I don't punch holes in paper, it never made sense to me with a defensive handgun.
Yes, stop buying it immediately. Leaves more for the rest of us during the biggest ammo shortage in history.
Hp-38 is a lot like Unique, it cleans up as you approach a maximum load. Currently I'm using Power Pistol and CFE Pistol with great success and I'll stick with them once my 8lb jug of HP-38 is done.
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Nice for standard .380 ACP loads too. You can charge north of 2,000 rounds of range ammo with one of those 1 lb cans.
I recently bought 2 1-pound containers of Win231 last month and came up with a load development for my 9mm and 45ACP. I was wondering about the temperature sensitivity of this powder. Also just learned here that it is pretty much HP-38. Thank you very much for the information and your time into this video.
I’ve been using it for over 25 years now, and thought it isn’t one of the highest energy powders, it’s used in my favorite 9mm loads.
Ouch. Just picked up some 231 yesterday for $50. More than double the price since 3 years ago
Bullseye was the first powder I ever used. I switch to Winchester 231 because it made her better. But you nailed it, a great performer but very very dirty. I
Have you tried W244 yet? It's one of Winchester's newest powder offerings, and is supposed to be a much cleaner burning powder than 231. I've been loading .45 Colts, 9mm, and .38 SPLs with it for a few months here and there. But I unfortunately haven't been able shoot any of them yet. I have lit the powder on fire though, and from that it does appear to burn cleaner than 231, burning with a brighter flame and leaving less residue behind on the metal plate I use. I know that burning in the open isn't a perfectly accurate picture of the same powder burning inside a case. But I think its at least some indication. Hopefully when the range opens back up near me, I'll be able to put my W244 rounds to the ultimate test.
I’ve recently purchased the W244 for 9mm, what is the amount of powder you use out of it for each load?
@@chrisbennett1079 I use 244
32 acp (71gr) - 2.3 gr
colt 45 (250gr) 6.7gr (SAA)
Yes Winchester 231 is very dirty. That's the main reason I looked up what others had to say. I've never tried HP-38 but you say it's the same.
just picked up my first container of Win 231 to load up some 38 special, bought a 357 mag Henry that shoots both but there was only 38 special ammo available, i can't stand to waste brass lol. appreciate the background. looking forward to firing off the first batch.
Titegroup is my go to powder.
I am normally a unique loader but i used the Hp-38 as my go to powder for non magnum applications, lately I've been developing a cast 40s&w load with 4.6 gns of hp-38 and a lyman 401" 175gn bullet to shoot out of my beretta 96D centurion, i started with 4.0gns and got 760fps alittle on tne weak end but functional. My new load will be 4.6gns and expecting the velocity to be around 840fps.
I'd like to get 1400 primers to go with it. It seems to me that everytime there is any shortage the manufacturers say screw reloaders. We get cut off. Their excuse is all product is going to commercial manufacturing. During normal times we can get product. Any glitch in the system and you are screwed. Maybe shooters should just stay off the range for quite awhile and let these guys think about who they serve. Let their ammo set on the shelves.
I sense a little negativity in your comment. Understanding the nature of the industry is a feast or famine cycle, it is in the best interest of the reloading community to “beat them at their own game” so to speak and during the plentiful times stock up.
As I see it there are two things we can do. Support politicians that are strong second amendment advocates, secondly, If things every return to normal stock up.
@@Rusty_ok You're right about my attitude. When things are MORE normal these companies are glad to sell you all the product you want. Not so much when things go the other way. I just think they ought to go a little further to take care of the people that support them in normal times. But, all my whining ain't gonna change a thing!! Lol!
Of course the reloaders get cut off. There are only a few manufacturers of primers, most of whom also manufacture ammunition. If there is a run on their product and they can sell all the ammo they can make, and munition factories will pay virtually any price to get primers because they are literally out of business without them, then every primer they can make is going to manufacturers of commercial ammo. If you know how primers are made, it isn't something they can just open more assembly lines to mass produce. They are practically crafted by hand by a handful of workers with nerves of steel. The primers available to reloaders in normal times are basically the surplus that the ammo companies didn't want.
@@Rusty_ok Actually stocking up is the issue. if people did not live in fear cycles they would buy what they need not over buy which makes it more scarce for everyone. I buy what I need and don't gorge or over buy.
Its the people that buy 20x what they need that keeps prices high. That is why some store are limiting it to 2 boxes of primers per person. People can't control selves so the stores have to.
9.5 of HP-38 with 240gr XTP in 44 mag is 1147 fps in 4” 629 very good powder for shorter 4” barrel.
Really, I just got a 629-4” shot 44 special (200 Grn rnfp) 800+ FPS real fun 🤩 to shoot no kick 🦵--I also shot some 44 magnum 240 Berry’s jfp 19grn of w296-any ways I’m gonna try your recipe for home protection -- you know any other powders for just plinking ? Recipes ? Let me know thanks
I went to accurate #11fg for my .44 magnum and it is clean burning and shoots great
the reason you don't use 231 for magnum loads is that its to hot & it will make the pressure go up & then you run the risk of blowing up your gun. but you can make up a good defense round in 40s&w & 45acp.
I’m thinking of using for 40sw major loaded for limited. I use tite group now and like it ok but here this may be better
Really good powder for 40 S&W. I used it for the whole year shooting USPSA limited major. Like the recoil impulse too!
Can you mix win 231 and hp38 powders?
Sometimes, I'm changing powders ,that's why I'm asking this stupid question
Thx for your help
If you were to have only one pistol powder win 244 (old 231) is the one to have for 32 acp to colt 45. Next might be unique but it meters poorly on progressives vs 244.
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Ramshot Zip is the same powder I was told I load 38 special
Bad example, how about using the 38 Special!
Works good in the 44 Russian
It really is dirty. I thought Unique was dirty but this stuff is even worse. A guy at the range on the bench beside me asked if I was loading with black powder. That's how smoky and filthy it shoots. I can't speak for the accuracy since I'm shooting steel at 20 feet so any hit is a good hit as far as I'm concerned. I don't punch holes in paper, it never made sense to me with a defensive handgun.
I loaded .44magnum shells and it is real dirty powder and the smoke is terrible my hands were black
Try True Blue.
Giving a couple a try. I'll keep it in mind. What do you personally use it for?
Just watched another youtuber said it was great , so one of you don't know what your talking about.
4 grains in 9mm is light my guns function better at 4.4