Could a Violent Video Game Get Kids to Kill? | Law & Order SVU
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Stabler and Fin investigate the brutal murder of a prostitute, and the prime suspects turn out to be a group of teens suspected of re-enacting a favorite video game.
Season 6, Episode 14, Game,
A murder preceded by a vehicular assault against the victim is discovered to be a recreation of a violent video game called Intensity. Interviewing the game's creators leads the detectives to a former employee (Matthew Faber), who then leads them to a teenage couple (Seth Gabel and Trisha LaFache) who claim to be unable to distinguish fantasy from reality.
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Parents are quick to blame video games for their kids’ bad behaviour but glosses over the fact that it’s their own terrible parenting that made these little monsters.
Thank you
Exactly!!!
You make a point. The problem with media is not that it causes violence. The problem is that media develops similar traits as the real world.
It’s not always the parents fault either. Sometimes the kids make even worse choices and it caused them to lose their minds.
Starting with allowing them access to the same content they blame to the bad behaviours.
"They got the idea from the game!"
Oh, because *no one* ever hit and run people before GTA right? Lol.
Hit and run is for noobs. Now it's flying death bikes, Deloreans and orbital cannons ❤
@@jonnnyren6245 Dance Dance Revolution activated orbital canons. (For managed Democracy everywhere)
Fr I was a terrible driver in gta. 😂
There was a mxderer who used to play DDR obsessively, coincidentally enough. He had a body problem that therefore wouldn't recognise fatigue so he'd play it for over 10 hours every day without breaks
Me who drives on the sidewalk 24/7:
I'm so SICK of video games movies and TV being blamed for turning people into killers.
Sick enough to..........kill?
There are a lot more factors besides TV or video game violence to make someone a killer.
@@LittleBenjaminNeocon183damn it bro I was gonna say the same fucking thing 😂great minds 🤙🏼
I've played horror games, Mortal Kombat and serial killer games and I've never once felt the urge to go out there and try some of that nonsense myself. Because I know it ain't real and I am HUMANE. And for the record, I've checked boxes and cases on all the games I've seen or played in my life and never once did I see a notice saying "Think the death scenes are fun, why don't you try it?"
Right? There weren't any video games during Jack the ripper's time and look at what he did. Many gamers play violent games yet are totally normal and happy people.
Ah, good old days when people thought GTA was responsible for kids committing violent crimes. Kind reminds me of the “Satanic panic” and parental advisory stickers.
In some parts of the world, they still do.
They thought the same of comic books n any books involving magic or supernatural themes
Republicans still believe that
It's pretty funny how when one panic dies down the next one is already on the rise.
it just evolves into the next one.
@@RevolErtaeht And people thought rock n' roll was the devils music.
What sucked is that he almost got away with it and even when he was found guilty, he didn't even cared. He smirked like he won the game
I imagine that smirk vanished pretty quickly once he actually got to prison.
How did they manage to prove he knew what he was doing? Did they finally manage to use the tapes?
@@felisdHe sent his patsy a video mocking him for his involvement which led to the poor guy committing suicide.
He was just smirking to hide his rage. The way he snapped at his gf and told the DA “you won” he knows his worthless life is over
What's funny is that Looney Tunes, Tom and Jerry, and other old cartoons had loads of violence, attacking each other, and over-sexualization yet no one blamed them or used them as an excuse for the crimes they've committed. 🥴
Even if I would sometimes mimic what was in cartoons, I did not turn into a killer
I actually know someone that doesn't show these cartoons to their kid because they consider them too violent.
@@peter_pansexual6243 That's stupid. Some parents are too oversensitive
@@Disneyfan82 I once hurt myself because I was imitating Mr. Bean. Everything can inspire kids to do dumb stuff.
@@peter_pansexual6243 But parents should not ban their kids from watching anything on television just to be overprotective
you would think that paper-thin "defense" would immediately go up in flames from the fact that he was deleting files and had a device set up to wipe his hard drive when police seized it. he knew exactly what he was doing.
Legal loopholes can make those things inaccessible.
doesn’t matter, they can’t prove what’s on the hard drive any more
No one should ever blame video games when stuff like this goes to trial. Blaming video games just covers out the fact that the person was mentally sick to begin with, and just decided to finally show the true colors. I kinda hate trolls when video games get blamed for someone becoming violent. The games had nothing to do with it. The person was just violent from the jump, the game is just a convenient cover-up.
I mean I played fps games started at 7/7/2020 and I haven't killed anyone ever
@sayadiva123 the video game may not to be blamed but that game was disturbing and it did incite violence towards women 😬
@@marianafeliciano6601 and the fact developers were ok with that. Fake game or not. Like this was worse than GTA
@@sayadiva123 Exactly!! I personally don't like those type of videogames, I would rather play games like Kingdom Hearts or Final Fantasy.
@@marianafeliciano6601 I’ll stick to otome games, Hades and Genshin Impact
The moment Dickie was playing the game was the moment Eliott realized he needed to set parental controls 😭
Basic white vanillas that’s only good for bending down shouldn’t be talking it’s his parents and environment makin him that there’s no real evidence video games causes ppl to kill it’s ppl like you however that creates the devil in us
It's funny that numerous tests have proved this is false unless the person already has pre-existing psychological problems. And even in those cases it's rare for it to be violent.
This must be a super old episode of law and order 😂
Season 6
If Stabler is still there it’s an incredibly old episode
This episode aired in early 2005, so yeah, it's VERY old.
violent people play violent games, it’s that simple
This was during the time of Senator Joe Liberman
Stephen King once pointed out, when asked about a murder that seemed to copy the murder of Carrie's mother, that these people might get inspiration on methods from media, but the desire to kill is their own.
Still what humans like to justify is part of them problem. How alarming is it a man like Stephen Kill could whip up these death scenes--you know? Somewhere you have to ask if most horror movie filmmakers aren't just serial killers clinging onto the brink of moral sanity.
@@TheMightyN except for the fact that his novels aren't just "KILL KILL KILL" and are just morbid/disturbing stories with messages behind them, ESPECIALLY Carrie. At the end of the day it's not the game developer's or horror novel writer's responsibility if someone does something drastic because of their interpretation of whatever media they intake.
@@TheMightyN You are missing several reasons why Stephen KING is a popular author- his characters are always interesting, everymen that you could be friends with, his storytelling pulls you into a different world, and he writes really well.(And his jokes, OMG!) I don't read him for the horror, that's just there, really. Also, have you ever seen an interview with him? Dude is kind, humble, and loves his family.
So, no, I never asked myself that question about his "moral" sanity.
@@Darapsa The guy is genius for his craft of infusing psychology, suspense, thriller, and imagination into his works some that are actual occurrences in real life, e.g, Cujo. Most people accredit his work likely to Alfred Hitchcock since you feel immersed in the scene yourself and hold some sympathy or intrigue in his characters (Creepshow demonstrating a strong case.) What is there to miss from that rollercoaster ride?
@@Darapsa Anyways, the mention doesn't denounce his creditability. Just, from how he writes his novels, someone else could take inspiration from that to do crime. Media Influence have stirred up pandemonium before and sometimes we should feel some responsibility with what we create and expose to society. Nuff said.
I played as a kid the single most violent, gory, non-safe for work games as a kid and yet here I am. A normal guy.
Everyone blaming video games and TV/movies simply shows their incompetence at parenting.
What was its name ?
Which games?
same here but what is the name of the game?
Stuff like Carmageddon, Soldier of Fortune...hell, the old Interplay Fallout games had the single most brutal deaths caused by criticals (that and you could even kill kids there).
When Crocodile Dundee was in theaters, a man tried blaming the film for why he stabbed his wife. Problem was, he committed the crime before seeing the film. It's all about having an excuse for his crazy behavior.
Nobody got stabbed in Dundee either
Quick answer: NO. There has been no connection or scientific evidence to prove that video games are responsible for kids committing crimes. But there has been evidence that it does the opposite, video games being an outlet to let anger and frustration out than keeping it in.
How many people have you killed? Lol
Good on Stablers kid figuring out where the crime looked familiar from
Based on the whole GTA and video games caused people to be violent madness in the 2000s.
Rockstar being sued many times only for it to be dismissed.
I think this is based on specifically the guy who committed a crime and said, "Life is a video game."
I think it is too.
MY LIFE IS LIKE A VIDEO GAME TRYING HARD TO BEAT THE STAGE
People are still pointing fingers at it to this day, including Trump himself.
Parents need to take accountability for their lack of parenting, and video games are not the reason why children turn into monsters.
Back when video games were blamed for violence in the 2000s
Video games have been blamed for violence ever since atari came out. Before video games comic books (like tales from the crypt) was blamed for causing violence
And when they still do in 2024.
Never blame the game. . blame the player who's sick enough to think it's real.
7:30 "This here is Illumilight, what it does is shows blood"
*Proceeds to show blood*
"Idk what that is!"
"It's blood 😐"
That was a perfect delivery ngl
I wrote an essay on this in 8th grade. Something interesting I had found was that such games could actually reduce crime. The research was interesting.
I remember a study on that. It was only done with adults with already formed moral compasses but it let them see consequences of actions without them being real
Fun fact: people used to blame the opera for rises in crime.
Really ? That's very interesting. When did the mindset change ?
@@JabamiLainduring the Jack the Ripper killing spree, a popular London theater was showing a production. Of The Strange Case of Doctor Jeckyll and Mister Hyde. Some actually tried to blame the actor playing the lead for the murders.
I've played and watched several violent games, movies, and shows for as long as i can remember. I've never had the thought of killing, assaulting, robbing, etc..
Stabler asking LMAO meaning made me feel so old 🤣
"He's working for the Koreans, isn't he?"
Video games don't make people violent, but they can give them ideas on how to act on their violence, and oftentimes they are magnets to these kinds of people. That's probably one of the biggest proponents to people blaming violent crimes on video games.
I find it funny because Ice-T, who plays Fin, was in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas in which he voiced Madd Dogg.
For those wondering, violent video game can only trigger someone who already has some kind of mental illness that would make them aggressive, those individuals shouldn't even be playing those types games.
No normal person will ever think of killing anyone after playing a game.
Turns out the hippie video game designer hired them to do it. The kids weren't high off of the video game or whatever their defense was.
No, it was the other way around. The kids hired that hippie programmer to send a taunting message to their suicidal accomplice.
Video games do NOT make people violent or turn them into killers. Parents are supposed to teach their kids the difference between fantasy and reality. My cousin played violent video games, but my aunt let him do it because she taught him morals and she also taught him the difference between fantasy and reality.
there are dozens of studies disproving that violent video games, causes violent crime. One major study showed that the game that caused the most violent urges was Nintendo games.
Really ? Please, elaborate. I'm curious.
@@JabamiLainI'll make a guess: Nintendo games are generally harder than the rest and that makes players go mad more often 😅
Figured as much with Nintendo
Never in my life have I been earlier to L&O video, unbelievable
Me neither, it said “no views” when I first clicked it
Me neither. Are we caught in some kind of time loop?!
Bro we were summoned 😂
Remember guys this was made back in 2005, just after Columbine where the shooters happened to play violent video games. Then came studies and doctors that said the games can cause gamers to be violent and aggressive, and so people blamed the games. Huge media campaign thing that has had a lasting effect on parents even to this day.
Obviously kids shouldn't be allowed to play violent games until they are old enough to pass the rating restrictions, but it won;t turn them into serial killers.
I bet some of these doctors were concerned parents as well.
“It’s just like the game isnt it?” *me having flashbacks to when I used to make the car rock in grand theft auto, then when they’d get out..I’d get my money back.. lol.
A wide study by the FBI on school shooters and violent media showed that only around 20% of shooters played violent video games. The next most common factor was violent movies, then violent literature. But by far the most common factor was violent writings at 40%. All this to say that violent media doesn't create monsters, monsters just like violent media
Those statistics are meaningless unless we also know the percentage of the general population that plays violent video games, watches violent movies, ect.
If I told you 90% of convicted criminals drank milk as children therefore drinking milk as a child increases the risk of criminal behavior you'd realize that doesn't add up because the vast majority of the general population drinks milk. By the same token saying that x percentage of school shooters did something doesn't mean anything unless we know what percentage of the general population does that thing.
@@studentofsmithit would still ultimately be meaningless because you don't watch media and then decide to do something that was in it you enjoy the thing and that's why you partake in the media in the first place.
It is always correlation, not causation.
I liked shows like the crocodile hunter and - prior to the Switch utter garbage - games like Pokemon.
I watched and played them in part because I like animals.
I have not, however, decided to go out and jump on a crocodile or shove animals into small balls and go have cockfights with them.
The only people who do the latter are the ones who already enjoyed the idea of those things. It might have been that piece of media that made them realize they like it or that it was even a thing they could do but it didn't cause them to go out and do it, their pre-existing mental mess did.
In other words media can be a tell for whether or not someone is messed up in a certain way because obviously you have to like something about it to bother partaking, but you would have to know exactly why they even like it in the first place.
And there could be any number of reasons they enjoy it.
You could theoretically enjoy GTA just because you get to drive around and your real favorite game is Euro Truck Sim.
The fact that there are some people who might specifically enjoy the fact that you can just run people down doesn't mean that's the reason everyone plays it.
In fact, we know that that is almost never true because we can see it in the world around us.
Such crimes in the real world have gone way down. The rise of video games didn't stop them from going down overall despite the population inflating like crazy in the meantime.
I don’t know why parents buy kids M rated games when they’re 10. My pop didn’t start letting play m rated games or Rated R movies until I was like 16 and developed common sense.
It’s extremely funny to see this trope again, even though it’s been debunked for decades. 0 evidence this happens. You only have to watch what happens with the Call of Duty kid who was given the chance to fire a full-auto military rifle and it freaked him out. Video games didn’t prepare him for that.
Any links, please?
Ah yes, ''I didnt know what i was doing, i was under an influence and confusing reality with fiction'' said after bro wiped his hard drive in front of cops. Truly, pinacle of inisence
People really need to stop blaming video games for kids' violent behavior. I don't remember how long of a prison sentence that teenager got, but I feel it should be longer.
As someone who since a young teen, and my fave genre is horror and psychological thrillers, my fav films and games have gruesome murders and deaths in I've been a gamer and into games and films, I've never had the urge to so much as slap someone and not had so much as a parking ticket, I hear people blame video games too much as a way of passing on blame for people's awful choices and actions. Even if they were influenced to a certain extent due to game addiction, nothing stops them from noticing at some point that they had a disturbing thought long before they take any action.
I am an avid gamer who enjoys video games but the difference between myself and that loser is I know what is fantasy and what is real life. I use these games to escape from the real world whenever things make me sad or angry because they cheer me up but I still emerge as a normal guy. I've played and watched several violent games, movies, and shows for as long as I can remember. I've never had the thought of killing, assaulting, robbing, etc... Because it's just not in me.
I'd like to point out that i played games like GTA, Saints Row, Gears of War and other exceedingly violent games like that when i was a kid, and i turned out just fine. Dude is just sick in the head. And if that jury found him innocent, they are a bunch of flaming idiots
They can’t call to fact that the kid purposely set up a trap so the cops would wipe his hard drive? Is that not a point of pre planning and thus state of mind? And if he really thought he was in the game why would he then risk deleting it?
?So if videogames turn people into monsters then what's Jack the Ripper's problem
He lost a game of Chess
@@brenolk4642 Maybe they should banned Chess for advocating regicide.
Momma didnt love him enough
@@brenolk4642To who? A hooker?
Seth Gabel was really creepy in this episode, particularly his smile and voice.
I am a wicked young man
I am a vicious young man
It's NOT the games that I play
The movies I see
The music I dig
I'm just a WICKED YOUNG MAN! -Alice Cooper 2000
I mean I know what game they are referencing almost immediately 😂😂
I hate how video games get blamed for stuff like this. I play violent video games and I never tried to do anything from those games in real life
The only way a kid gets that warped by a game is if the parents are uninvolved/can't be bothered. Kids need structure(routine, rules, consequences, ect.) and security (obviously housing security, but also the security of knowing that they have parents that care, love them, put them first and are open and available if they need guidance)
If as a parent you don't provide those bare minimum things, they will seek it elsewhere. Used to be the streets. Now, while the streets are still a thing, the bigger thing is the Internet/video games. I have a child, no way would I want some online lunatic getting their hooks into my kid. Luckily I don't have to worry about that, as I make sure we have open honest communication and his dad and I are always there, always involved, and available.
Bottom line is if your kid is addicted to video games, I pad, or anything really it's YOUR fault as the parent. If you had done your job/duty as a parent your child wouldn't have sought guidance from a screen.
Just like if your kid is running the streets in the middle of the night armed/or not, committing crimes, vandalizing/steal things, victimizing people ect. And they are harmed and/or arrested... THAT'S ON YOU AS THE PARENT. It's not the fault of the police or the victims of the little terror you created it's literally YOU!
Wake up and start taking accountability people or we are screwed. Keep in mind our children will one day inherit this country/world. That means raising them is the most important job you could ever have. Stop taking it lightly.
Sorry for the rant. It's just so common it's sad.
There's an episode of Boston Legal that focuses on this too. A mother was suing the manufactor of a game that her 15 year old son was addicted too and he actually died while playing the game. She lost the case because the defense brought up the fact she was working constantly and never actually interceded in taking the game away from her son, which was her responsibility as a parent.
Looks like Dickie is here to solve this deadly game.
Near the end of that video, that kid started freaking me out.
Back in the day it was reading Shakespeare and watching those plays that caused people to kill.
The scene of his computer getting wiped becomes hilarious after watching the final season of Breaking Bad.
“ Video games, corrupt our children’s minds they should read books instead!!!” Here’s the thing at least video games come with an age rating. I don’t think books do, so watch out when your little one accidentally read something like the original Grimm brothers fairytales, they might get scared.
I've played violent video games sence the orignal Doom, halo COD, gears of war etc, never harmed a soul. I know its game not something to act out
Videogames do not cause violence or murders. Its down to making a choice or if the perp has prior violent tendencies or a psychological disorder they can replicate the game.
Like a sick f*** once said “ Don’t blame the movies Sid. Movies don’t make psychopaths, movies make psychopaths more creative.”
This put me in mind of Grand Theft Auto. I don't keep track of the game but I had a boyfriend who show me one of the game and at the time I just thought of it as another game that not interesting but now I wonder if teens are just using it as a chances to relive the game in reality.
Ah what a good SVU clip
Me after the lawyer blames video games: and im clicking off
This guy really was delusional
One of the early shows. Meaning, one of the GOOD shows!!!♡♡♡
You mean seasons
jokes on you. svu was never good.
this feels like an 80s topic in a 2000s era wtf we know videogames arent to blame
Some even nowadays try to blame videogames for crimes like mass shootings in the US.
Such a bad episode. Law & order's never especially subtle with their messaging, but this felt especially heavy-handed...
They're talking about irresponsible parenting
They're also heavy-handed about underaged drinking.
Not all kids , kids who are single child who is engrossed into violent video games may be attracted to bit of violence. I remember my teen cousin brother used to play violent video games for hrs and then he is used to hit other kids for fun, he used to shout loudly. But murder and assaulting needs the perpetrator to be actually criminal minded or some mental illness
This episode was fun beacuse I didn't expect the comedy from a crime show.
Wait in the Wolf Universe they have forensic autopsy rewards?!?
The kid got hustled when they played that recording. 😂😂
This would have been 2004 at the hight of the video games caused violence movement. Not that it ever really got off the ground.
They did something similar in another season. Fin ended up having to kill one of the nutjobs
There's a fantastic episode of Quincy ME featuring "punks" and their unfathomable nihilism. This is almost as funny. Just as reductive.
Plase tell me that the episode show the "videogame made him do it" defense was BS. I mean, the guy was deleting the files and mocking the cops when doing it, he new very well what he did was not the videogame
Intensity the game. That little boy is great
randall winston would never do this 😭
I'm so glad she wasn't dead when she left.
I'm a teen of the 80's and nearly all arcade games (and on home computers like C64 and Atari St) were violent or 'beat 'em up' or shooting, thankfully I've grown up to be a peaceful, law abiding person.
So I'd imagine that nearly all the blame on games as source of violence is just an excuse to get a lesser sentence and the violence is there in the person anyway.
I don't know how people think video games make people violent some of the worst people didn't even have video games. And it's kind of a healthy release for stress/anxiety you have in your life without causing any actual harm/destruction.
Well good thing Dickie didn't start now. Imagine what the flying bikes and Deloreans and flying Lamborghini Uracos armed with missiles can do today 😂😂😂
People have been killing people since the dawn of time, it's not the game it's the psycho
over/under 3.5 times an episode where someone screams SEND A BUS!!!!!!!!
No agenda with this episode no sireee 🙄
It’s law and order.
They have an agenda with every episode
@@Jdjdjdujakzgsha They weren't very subtle this time....
I mean it seemed pretty clear the "violent videogames" angle was just a ploy. They caught him very lucid and smuglg destroying evidence. Kid was a depraved murderer who put on a show to dodge his punishment.
Video games don’t cause people to get murdered. Murder causes people to get murdered.
Playing GTA irl is crazy
Video games don't just get released out of nowhere : they have to go through a thorough examination by different authorities and that, in different countries under different laws. You have an age on the cover or on the store page if you buy the digital version. PEGI isn't just for show. If, as a parent, you decide to buy GTA and its +18 rating to your 10 yo, that's your problem. Not society. Not the gaming industry. I started gaming at 7 and I'm still deeply in love with video games at now 34. Still haven't hurt people because Rockstar made a fun game.
There was a survey done a couple of years ago, and 90% of parents believed the age rating was actually the skill level needed for the game.
Golly.....@@edwardhuggins84
I played COD 4 since I was a kid and look at me I’m still standing not on jail I’m 24 year olds and well yeah I’m still standing
There have been several studies disproving this theory over the years
It should also be fairly easy to prove that he was putting on a show there. He exhibited signs of his hands emulating using a controller. However, this would conflict with what he’d be doing at the time, using a phone. This proves the motor quirk his hands were doing were a purposeful embellishment.
In addition, his demeanor is completely different here than during the crime. Different vocal tones, personality. Why would he be deranged and stressed now, but not during the murder?
I used to kill villagers for funsies in Minecraft when I was younger. Now, I apologize to literally every animal I kill because I feel bad 😭
And I do not believe anyone blamed Edgar, Allan Poe, or Stephen King from corrupting their children
Hi, I literally grew up playing “Grand Theft Auto” and I still do today. Never had any thoughts of homicide. It ain’t the games, honey.
So did my old school friwnds who played more of GTA than I did. They didn't become killers.
There said someone with factors isn’t going to become a school shooter because they started playing violent video games are watching a lot of violent movies
Ok going by the video description alone, this episode is kinda on the side of the whole “video games make kids violent” mumbo jumbo. Which is ridiculous
We’ve known that since the 90s 😉
😳 I don’t believe this kid was not aware of what he was doing. But i also believe video games have a measure of responsibility In influencing behaviours snd shaping minds.
Based on the discourse around the GTA series, after teenager Devin Moore blamed the game for his crimes.
Wait, is that the Geico Caveman???
The main guy is a sociopath he knew what he was doing and he didn’t care
Watching this episode knowing GTA 6 comes out next year in the fall
The p£rson is just as guilty as the game creator unfortunately. M£ntal breakdown or not a person is a danger to society. A person with m£ntal issues is unpredictable, can become premeditative, calculated, and mischievous. FACTS❗❗❗❗❗
Video games don’t cause violence in real life, never have and never will.
And they managed to top this episode in embarrassment with that Gamergate episode. SVU, please stop with talking about video games.
Violent games usually lead me to re-think life, appreciate it more, not take it away from others.
kids couldn't get off if they were drunk or high. Even if you could prove dopamine addiction, it's not an excuse for dissociative behavior.
It may not have caused the attacks, but it surely did not help
In theory, doing it in the game should relieve some of those dark tendencies in a way that hurts no one. This guy wanted to kill. Guaranteed he hurt animals when he was little.