I wouldn't say this episode had a happy ending at all. I mean, a mentally ill man got his stuff cut off and was set on fire, a girl and her unborn baby are dead, two teenage boys are in prison, and 5 kids lives and their families are ruined forever.
At best it’s a bittersweet ending. The girl whose father isn’t in the picture and lost her mother and brother to prison was adopted by her baby daddy’s father. Ended on some hope.
@@darkwarriormaster9644 i mean it's highly unlikely her mother would serve a significant sentence for that . Most likely some months I'd think. Her brother though is cooked.
They were manipulated by Fidelia though. It was a basic "if I'm pregnant, everyone has to be" scenario. She dragged down so many people into her selfish delusions and got herself and her baby killed for it.
And this is why minors are minors and honestly even some young adults require more mental capacity before they can consent or make any adult decisions.
@lukerosales5879 Decades ago, going into high school, my aunt had the "Fidelia" talk with me. She told me, if a friend can't love you as you are and wants you to be like them, that's not a friend. If they push you act a certain way it's because they are so unhappy with who they are, can't see a way out, and the only option is bully others to be just like them. Years later, in my 30s at the gym, I see my 'Fidelia' from high school and she tells me "I want my daughter to be just like you". Honestly, I didn't see it as a compliment, because her daughter will spend many years dealing with girls like her mother.
For those who don't know, the dad of the guy who was set on fire stepped in to help the girl whose brother and mom went to prison. Considering everything else that happened, ending the episode is a nice touch, even if it's like a little light in mostly darkness.
@@HisNameIsELHuh? Mind being more specific? I don’t understand what you just said? Most woman? Who hurt you to make you believe that and I am sorry that they made you believe that.
@@Silencer796 I appreciate you asking before jumping to a conclusion, so respect for that It comes from society not trying to teach young ladies a lot about the consequences of their actions, it's more "Yazlighting". And if you try to criticize the person either had to be hurt in someway, an incel, a bigot, or if it's a woman then she is a "pick me". Do you see how that is? In my line of work (which I'm careful on disclosing), the amount of women who just needs to cry and men feel the need to shelter and other women feel the need to band together with them not knowing that a lot of the times they are the abuser. It's a tactic to get out of accountability. There are more pointing of fingers shaming men and watching out for men when men hardly report on what happened to them out of shame which has an affect on statistics. If we look at this scene but instead of a girl its a boy, society wouldn't just look at it like..."omg let's take a step back". A good example is the scene from gone girl where she was being questioned in the hospital and the female detective seem right through it but was silenced by others when all she needed was cry. I am about weeding out the abusers, and there are a lot more who get away with it covertly through women. Hell look at the teacher who got pregnant from a student and didn't face any jail time. The reason I'm shining a light on women is not because "hate women" it's to shine a light on abusers period. That's what I mean
Then the mother ends up attacking the female lawyer and is send to prison, the girl starts crying as she has no family left so the father of the dead guy takes her in to look after her and his grandchild
Yeah I don't feel any sympathy for her. Max was loyal to her and she cheated on him and treated their promise like a joke, then she manipulates her friends into getting pregnant so she won't be the only one? Max definitely shouldn't have taken her life but I'm not sorry about it considering how insufferable and entitled she acted.
You are out of your mind, this whole show is a masterclass in terrible, hack acting lol that's the only reason I watch it, it's a comedy like no other.
My cousin has a friend who got pregnant to get on MTV. She got a reality check when she had to miss prom, homecoming, no after school activities and lost her full ride scholarship to Brown.
@@mistiqueentourage7182 I wonder if she wasn't able to go to the university just because she had a baby, was too busy, and couldn't find childcare. Going to college anywhere, even on a part-time basis, with a child, is extremely difficult--let alone a rigorous university like Brown.
Why? nonthing of that is consequence of pregnancy unless she get sick. All of that is the result of controlling, abusive people. Getting pregnant is not a game because of the responsibilities, not because someone stop you from going to prom, or worse make you loose an scholarship.
Only one in this case I didnt feel sorry for was Fidelia. She cheated on her boyfriend and manipulated her friends into getting pregnant just so she wouldn't be the only teen mom. What Peggy and Max did was so far out of line, but she doesn't get any sympathy for her actions.
@@BillyButcher90it amazes me how her dad kept setting her up to be the victim though. Only thing she was a victim for was statutory r4pe, but she was far from a victim as far as the pregnancy pact was concerned.
Not only did Fidelia cheat on Max, she mocked him for wanting to remain a virgin until he felt that they were ready to start a family of their own. He harboured such blind devotion for a manipulative and self entitled little girl, who foolishly believed that the life of a teenage mother would be so glamorous. Max clearly wasn't her type, and I don't know what made him think so in the first place. It was never going to work for them at all, as he was too much of a nice guy for her. Though if Max didn't kill her, Fidelia would've most likely succumbed to post natal depression, which would prompt her to take the life of her child anyway.
@@lukerosales5879Her parents should've kicked her out of their home. This wasn't an accidental pregnancy she got pregnant on purpose and she basically insults Liv n Max
@@RevolErtaeht They should've. Yet Fidelia had them both wrapped around her little finger, just like her friends and her 'beloved future husband'. Plus when you take into account the way they've raised their daughter, I highly doubt their grandchild would've turned out any better either.
The only normal person in this episode was Josh's father. It's great he took the girl in and help raise his grandchild. The girls brother ruined his own life.
That's cute coming from catwoman. Just because nobody wants to have kids with you, doesn't mean having a child as a teenager is wrong. For thousands of years girls were getting pregnant in their teens, it's only been recently over the past 80 years that has changed. When a girl has her period, that is natures way of signifying it's time to birth children, that's the way nature works. Why would humans be any different? Families would pray their daughter got pregnant in their teens, it means more time with their grandchildren and parents have more time to be with their children. The only argument you can make in those cases is that they aren't financially set, which I would argue that billions of people on this planet that have children in poor countries aren't either, but they still have kids.
@@lanthanumlanthanium6373 Teenage girls also died in childbirth for thousands of years. It was the most common cause of death for women until the start of the last century. See, evolution messed up humans. A girl can have her period at 12 but because we're bipeds, a 12 year old's pelvis is too small to birth a baby without severe trauma. Until modern medicine, the resulting tearing and bloodloss or subsequent infection would kill the 12 year old mother. Same with 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 and 18 year olds. Even adult women have an 80% chance of their vagina tearing while passing a child through it. Until antibiotics, that torn vagina getting infected was almost always fatal.
It's a horrifying thought that teens today would go through with major life altering decisions, and not realize what consequences can occur from them. The mother really should have known better than to tell that poor girl to end it, even though it wasn't a suicide after all. I can understand that she was extremely upset by the circumstances of that whole ordeal, but there were non threatening ways she could've handled it
I think the best thing to do was tell the girl's parents that their daughter was to no longer contact or see her own her daughter again if she saw how badly influenced she was. And she would have to forbid her daughter from seeing Fidelia.
dude, are you serious? "teens today"- this is from 2008. Those teen moms were born in the early 90's. How could you look at any of the tech in this episode- this series- and think it was at any point made past 2012. Actual "teens today" were born the year before this episode came out, the girls in this episode are the moms of "today's teens"
This is based on a real case of sorts, a bunch of girls in Gloucester Massachusetts made a pregnancy pact and a bunch of them got pregnant. No murder involved that I know of
No, it's based on a great big lie told by the principal of the High School attended by these girls. They made a pact to support each other after they had become pregnant, not one to get pregnant together. Congratulations on repeating a moral panic from more than fifteen years ago.
The pact itself may not have even been real- eight girls did get pregnant at the same time, but one of them has since said that there was no agreement to do so intentionally and some of them weren't even friends.
As far as I’ve heard, all of the girls named in that scandal deny the existence of a pact to this day. Unless I’m mistaken, most of the “pact” stuff was nonsense and the media (both news and entertainment) just kinda ran with it for the ✨drama.✨ I very well could be wrong, though. Who really knows for sure, outside of the girls themselves?
@@jkrfan7Snarky, it may have been but the mom still could have chosen a different way. That said she also had very little impulse control so maybe Ms. Greyleck saw that and used it to her advantage knowing full well that the mom needed to serve jail time.
Assuming she's home long enough to even acknowledge the baby if she hadn't been murdered. She'd probably shirk her responsibilities and just keep partying.
A happy ending it might not have been, but i love how in the end, just when the mom thinks she's gotten away with it. She gets her comeuppance because she pretty much gave them a reason. Snarky as the prosecutor, Ms. Greyleck's comments to her might've been. It was still up to the mom to control herself. That said, maybe Ms. Greyleck, seeing the mom's lack of better judgment and impulse control, deliberately provoked her because she knew the mom deserved prison time. Also, MAJOR APPLAUSE TO THE BURN VICTIMS DAD. He not only trued prevent there being anymore victims. He stepped up to not only assume custody of his future grandchild but also showed so much love and compassion for the girl. WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE HIM IN THIS WORLD. AND I'M PROUD TO SAY MOTHER BEEN ONE OF THEM. And on more than one occasion, too.
Part of Munch's crazy rant got cut out as did Finn saying that it wasn't working. Munch actually ended it with "the Illuminati are after us. Or they're after you. Nobody's after me? Is anybody after me?"
I felt sad for Tina she was getting the short end loosing her family. Tom Galli going before the Family Court taking with the Judge taking custody of his grandchild and giving Tina a place to live. She should be with family, not with strangers. She now has a chance for a much brighter picture of life.
Part of Munch's crazy rant got cut out as did Finn saying that it wasn't working. Munch actually ended it with "the Illuminati are after us. Or they're after you. Nobody's after me? Is anybody after me?"
you missed the best part towards that ending the mother rants at the attorney and managed to get her hands on that attorney Attempts to choke her and gets arrested for it ranting I’m still a good mother to which the attorney says I want to file charges
I still enjoy this episode, especially since it gave a bittersweet yet hopeful ending by having the victim's father decide to help the girl raise the baby while her mother and brother are sent to prison.
@@kyndrablankenship1758 True, these girls were minors. All I'm saying is that El and Kathy were both married at 17 years old and had Maureen the next year. They were on the cusp of adulthood.
This was before cyberbullying was officially established as a crime. Greylek said it herself that Peggy couldn't be charged for murder (as she stated, she only typed words on a computer) even though it was Max who murdered Fidelia, which was why she worked around the law and placed as much charges that were close to the actual crime as possible.
yeah, teens aren't ready for parenting. they're not financially independent yet, the min education for most work is a high school diploma or a GED, and that's just the beginning.
@@BillyButcher90 ture. but if they do work (and they will have to), that adds babysitter or daycare money. unless family (assuming they support getting knocked up before you're ready/capable of rasing a baby) steps in for those hours. it's just another expense they're generally not ready for. but you are correct.
The only parents who took responsibility was Josh’s dad, taking Tina in, giving her a sense of security and family. At least there was a silver lining in all of this
@kyndrablankenship1758 the airheaded girl at least was thinking ahead in terms of getting a job to support her child. Although she wasn't really aware of how difficult it would be to get one.
Part of Munch's crazy rant got cut out as did Finn saying that it wasn't working. Munch actually ended it with "the Illuminati are after us. Or they're after you. Nobody's after me? Is anybody after me?"
Spoilers....... The mother gets arrested again after Greylek makes a snark comment about her and her daughter Tina gets adopted by Josh's father, whose son was killed by Tina's brother, since he didn't want her to raise the baby alone.
Part of Munch's crazy rant got cut out as did Finn saying that it wasn't working. Munch actually ended it with "the Illuminati are after us. Or they're after you. Nobody's after me? Is anybody after me?"
I love Dr. Warner; beauty and brains, I miss her on SVU. My husband saw the dad of the deceased fire victim and he showed me the scene on O brother where art thou, and now I can’t unsee that. I know him as one of the detectives on Juice and lawyer on The Practice.
@@lanthanumlanthanium6373 you are as sadly wrong as you are distinctly sad. I don't even want to waste my energy on being rude. I hope you find joy someday and even watch the Green Room with Paul Provenza episode that had Belzer in it. I hope you someday grow up and eat your words with multiple grains of salt.
When the detectives confront Peggy about the "suicide," the kid seems to be playing NtenCity, the video game that was the focal point of the episode "Games" in Season 6.
Isn't that Britt Robertson in the thumbnail? EDIT: Fin's lines of when Munch gets committed to posing undercover as a lunatic is underrated and iconic LOL
5:05 that was hell out of line. And frankly degrading for all mothers regardless of age. You can have a life as a mother, and that’s just ignorant and insulting.
How was it out of line? Fidelia didn't have the maturity OR the stability to have a baby and her parents didn't prepare her for the reality, constantly making her out to be the victim. And Fidelia's pregnancy pact was more "I'm pregnant so you should all be too", dragging three other girls who weren't prepared for motherhood yet into her scheme. Liv's mother was an adult but because of the circumstances of her conception, she made Liv's childhood hell until she died from her alcoholism. So yeah, Liv knows what she's talking about, Fidelia needed a reality check, especially since she was stroking her pregnant belly like it were an accessory.
@juliuscaesar8152 yeah - so far only one of those girls was thinking ahead when she said she was willing to get a job to support her baby. But Fidelia was treating her own child as a pet. That child would've been left to her parents while she still lived her lifestyle of partying instead of being responsible for her child.
You know, in a way, this episode reminds me of that question, which is, if everybody jumped off a cliff, would you do it too? Also, I think both Debi Mazar and Jesse McCartney should have gotten Emmys for their performances in this one.
When I was 16 or 17 one of our circle of friends wanted to be a mother, after high school. I was college bound and was flabbergasted that someone so young who knew nothing and hadn't even lived, thought she would make a good mother. Shocking to me. I'm 70 now and the shock factor is still there.
The actress who played carlotta did a great job acting very delusional. It's the smile that got me. I have no idea who she is but she is an amazing actress.
This episode was fucked! It started out insane and just kept getting worse and worse! And I originally thought it was just going to be an ode to the pregnancy pact lol
* laughs in Noah Porter-Benson * But no seriously, she was raised by an abusive alcoholic who never let her forget her conception was a result of sexual assault. Liv knows what she's talking about.
@@lukerosales5879That's exactly what makes her opinion problematic, though. She has this lifetime of trauma telling her that a child you didn't plan ruins your life, and that's a massive oversimplification at best.
@@torievictoria and Fidelia's baby would've been neglected. Fidelia was stroking her belly as if it were some accessory while she was gloating about how "old chicks were jealous" of her. Liv may have admitted she dropped the hammer too hard, but Fidelia needed that wake-up call. Because chances are, she'd only parade her child around and leave her mom and dad to deal with the messy bits, and she was absent from school for most of her second/third trimester so there's no way she'd be able to catch up and get the education she needed to help support her child. Liv may have been projecting her trauma, but it was justified considering her focus was on the baby's welfare.
I wouldn't say this episode had a happy ending at all. I mean, a mentally ill man got his stuff cut off and was set on fire, a girl and her unborn baby are dead, two teenage boys are in prison, and 5 kids lives and their families are ruined forever.
At best it’s a bittersweet ending. The girl whose father isn’t in the picture and lost her mother and brother to prison was adopted by her baby daddy’s father. Ended on some hope.
@@darkwarriormaster9644 Yeah. Thank god for that at least.
@@darkwarriormaster9644 i mean it's highly unlikely her mother would serve a significant sentence for that . Most likely some months I'd think.
Her brother though is cooked.
Not forgetting the poor first victim that was homeless :((
And someone got set on fire
Munch undercover as an insane homeless man was hilarious.
It was Brilliant!!
Loved how fin roasted him, munch was just being himself lol.
2:12
Nailed it!
Undercover what are you talking about? This is Munch on a Tuesday.
What's really unsettling is how blissfully unaware they are about how much they severely did not think this through...
They were manipulated by Fidelia though. It was a basic "if I'm pregnant, everyone has to be" scenario. She dragged down so many people into her selfish delusions and got herself and her baby killed for it.
And this is why minors are minors and honestly even some young adults require more mental capacity before they can consent or make any adult decisions.
@lukerosales5879 Decades ago, going into high school, my aunt had the "Fidelia" talk with me. She told me, if a friend can't love you as you are and wants you to be like them, that's not a friend. If they push you act a certain way it's because they are so unhappy with who they are, can't see a way out, and the only option is bully others to be just like them.
Years later, in my 30s at the gym, I see my 'Fidelia' from high school and she tells me "I want my daughter to be just like you". Honestly, I didn't see it as a compliment, because her daughter will spend many years dealing with girls like her mother.
@@Ms.July29 The irony seems pretty lost on this "Fidelia" character you've spoken of. What happened to her during her youthful years?
Yeah teenagers are notoriously confidently dumb
For those who don't know, the dad of the guy who was set on fire stepped in to help the girl whose brother and mom went to prison. Considering everything else that happened, ending the episode is a nice touch, even if it's like a little light in mostly darkness.
And if that baby ends up developing schizophrenia, he'll know what to do in order to help Tina.
The mom didn't go to prison.
The mother was arrested at the end of the episode.
@@IHeliosI she assaulted Greylek AFTER she won.
@@lukerosales5879 After Greylek said something to her that made her mad.
Okay but the cut from "So we just introduce them to the laziest, filthiest bum they've ever seen" to Munch undercover was comedic gold. 😂
The man does crazy good😂😂😂😂 Man i miss Munch😢😢😢
This video is a reminder as to why I can’t watch too many Law and Order SVU episodes at once. This gets real depressing.
Yep
No lies told
"daddy protect me, shes making me feel stupid by telling me the consequences of my actions!!"
The fact that she was stroking her baby while bragging about how other women were jealous of her was proof she never loved the child.
Honestly this is most women not even a minor. Which is scary
@@HisNameIsELHuh? Mind being more specific? I don’t understand what you just said? Most woman? Who hurt you to make you believe that and I am sorry that they made you believe that.
@@Silencer796 I appreciate you asking before jumping to a conclusion, so respect for that
It comes from society not trying to teach young ladies a lot about the consequences of their actions, it's more "Yazlighting". And if you try to criticize the person either had to be hurt in someway, an incel, a bigot, or if it's a woman then she is a "pick me". Do you see how that is? In my line of work (which I'm careful on disclosing), the amount of women who just needs to cry and men feel the need to shelter and other women feel the need to band together with them not knowing that a lot of the times they are the abuser. It's a tactic to get out of accountability. There are more pointing of fingers shaming men and watching out for men when men hardly report on what happened to them out of shame which has an affect on statistics. If we look at this scene but instead of a girl its a boy, society wouldn't just look at it like..."omg let's take a step back". A good example is the scene from gone girl where she was being questioned in the hospital and the female detective seem right through it but was silenced by others when all she needed was cry.
I am about weeding out the abusers, and there are a lot more who get away with it covertly through women. Hell look at the teacher who got pregnant from a student and didn't face any jail time. The reason I'm shining a light on women is not because "hate women" it's to shine a light on abusers period. That's what I mean
@@HisNameIsEL it's not most women, it's just your faulty perception. Not too late to fix it.
Then the mother ends up attacking the female lawyer and is send to prison, the girl starts crying as she has no family left so the father of the dead guy takes her in to look after her and his grandchild
The main girl’s name is “Fidelia” and she gets murdered for cheating? Subtle as a heart attack. 😂
Fidelia Vidal aka fidelity and life.
Yeah I don't feel any sympathy for her. Max was loyal to her and she cheated on him and treated their promise like a joke, then she manipulates her friends into getting pregnant so she won't be the only one? Max definitely shouldn't have taken her life but I'm not sorry about it considering how insufferable and entitled she acted.
@@WarGrowlmon18 oh gosh I didn’t even catch that 😂 lmao
Is thst the mom from A Bronx Tale and The Sopranos?
@@lukerosales5879 you dont feel bad about two children being murdered? you must be american.
aww you didn't include the last scene - josh's dad comes up to tina and offers to help her raise the baby
This episode was wild even by SVU standards. Also love how Charmaine and Little Carmine made a cameo
Lmfaoo! Soo glad someone gave credit to the Sopranos series! Thank you!
The pregnancy pact, the man on fire, your brother Billy, whatever happened there...
I forgot what a good actor Jesse McCartney was.
You are out of your mind, this whole show is a masterclass in terrible, hack acting lol that's the only reason I watch it, it's a comedy like no other.
@@EnglishInfidelI think L&O has a pretty high level of acting overall. So what are your favorite (network only) acted TV shows? (No cable or platform)
Roxas from the Organization.
@@CaptainBardiel also he voice Ventus
@@naty_witchygirl6151 Both at the same time
My cousin has a friend who got pregnant to get on MTV. She got a reality check when she had to miss prom, homecoming, no after school activities and lost her full ride scholarship to Brown.
And all because she wanted her 15 minutes. How tragic! 😔
Did she get on the show ? And wow. I would never give a full ride to Brown up for a kids. My FiL went to Brown. Brilliant man.
She should file a lawsuit against the university. You don't deny a student a scholarship because they are pregnant. That's discrimination.
@@mistiqueentourage7182 I wonder if she wasn't able to go to the university just because she had a baby, was too busy, and couldn't find childcare. Going to college anywhere, even on a part-time basis, with a child, is extremely difficult--let alone a rigorous university like Brown.
Why? nonthing of that is consequence of pregnancy unless she get sick. All of that is the result of controlling, abusive people. Getting pregnant is not a game because of the responsibilities, not because someone stop you from going to prom, or worse make you loose an scholarship.
5:06 Olivia literally has no filter when she’s angry 😂😂
Rightfully so
Totally justified there
Trust me, I know the feeling.
Only one in this case I didnt feel sorry for was Fidelia. She cheated on her boyfriend and manipulated her friends into getting pregnant just so she wouldn't be the only teen mom. What Peggy and Max did was so far out of line, but she doesn't get any sympathy for her actions.
The best part was Liv lecturing her about her cavalier attitude towards this and for mocking Liv about being old.
@@BillyButcher90it amazes me how her dad kept setting her up to be the victim though. Only thing she was a victim for was statutory r4pe, but she was far from a victim as far as the pregnancy pact was concerned.
Not only did Fidelia cheat on Max, she mocked him for wanting to remain a virgin until he felt that they were ready to start a family of their own. He harboured such blind devotion for a manipulative and self entitled little girl, who foolishly believed that the life of a teenage mother would be so glamorous. Max clearly wasn't her type, and I don't know what made him think so in the first place. It was never going to work for them at all, as he was too much of a nice guy for her.
Though if Max didn't kill her, Fidelia would've most likely succumbed to post natal depression, which would prompt her to take the life of her child anyway.
@@lukerosales5879Her parents should've kicked her out of their home. This wasn't an accidental pregnancy she got pregnant on purpose and she basically insults Liv n Max
@@RevolErtaeht They should've. Yet Fidelia had them both wrapped around her little finger, just like her friends and her 'beloved future husband'. Plus when you take into account the way they've raised their daughter, I highly doubt their grandchild would've turned out any better either.
The only normal person in this episode was Josh's father. It's great he took the girl in and help raise his grandchild. The girls brother ruined his own life.
I can’t believe they cut the “it’s not a slammin new pair of jeans” line! One of my favorites LOL
This is what happens when teenagers treat pregnancy and babies like a game..
That's cute coming from catwoman. Just because nobody wants to have kids with you, doesn't mean having a child as a teenager is wrong. For thousands of years girls were getting pregnant in their teens, it's only been recently over the past 80 years that has changed. When a girl has her period, that is natures way of signifying it's time to birth children, that's the way nature works. Why would humans be any different? Families would pray their daughter got pregnant in their teens, it means more time with their grandchildren and parents have more time to be with their children. The only argument you can make in those cases is that they aren't financially set, which I would argue that billions of people on this planet that have children in poor countries aren't either, but they still have kids.
@@lanthanumlanthanium6373
Teenage girls also died in childbirth for thousands of years. It was the most common cause of death for women until the start of the last century.
See, evolution messed up humans. A girl can have her period at 12 but because we're bipeds, a 12 year old's pelvis is too small to birth a baby without severe trauma. Until modern medicine, the resulting tearing and bloodloss or subsequent infection would kill the 12 year old mother. Same with 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 and 18 year olds. Even adult women have an 80% chance of their vagina tearing while passing a child through it.
Until antibiotics, that torn vagina getting infected was almost always fatal.
@@lanthanumlanthanium6373wtf is wrong with you
@@lanthanumlanthanium6373 you like em young huh. Thanks for letting us all know
If teenagers are to have babies, they should be serious about becoming mothers as it involves a lot of hardships and compromises.
It's a horrifying thought that teens today would go through with major life altering decisions, and not realize what consequences can occur from them. The mother really should have known better than to tell that poor girl to end it, even though it wasn't a suicide after all. I can understand that she was extremely upset by the circumstances of that whole ordeal, but there were non threatening ways she could've handled it
i'm surprised she didn't try to argue that by "end it" she meant the pregnancy.
@@dietotaku Ikr?! I mean that's what I thought that's what she meant when she admitted that she was the one who sent those messages
I think the best thing to do was tell the girl's parents that their daughter was to no longer contact or see her own her daughter again if she saw how badly influenced she was. And she would have to forbid her daughter from seeing Fidelia.
teens today? Bruh this episode is 15 years old. It's older than the current generation that's about to be teenagers.
dude, are you serious? "teens today"- this is from 2008. Those teen moms were born in the early 90's. How could you look at any of the tech in this episode- this series- and think it was at any point made past 2012. Actual "teens today" were born the year before this episode came out, the girls in this episode are the moms of "today's teens"
as a teen mom, benson is speaking facts
She was never a teen mom
@@joewhitehead3 i was🥴
@@pokepersie oh sorry
@@joewhitehead3 lmao its ok. thats why i put a comma
I hope you and your child are doing well.
This is based on a real case of sorts, a bunch of girls in Gloucester Massachusetts made a pregnancy pact and a bunch of them got pregnant. No murder involved that I know of
No, it's based on a great big lie told by the principal of the High School attended by these girls. They made a pact to support each other after they had become pregnant, not one to get pregnant together. Congratulations on repeating a moral panic from more than fifteen years ago.
The pact itself may not have even been real- eight girls did get pregnant at the same time, but one of them has since said that there was no agreement to do so intentionally and some of them weren't even friends.
As far as I’ve heard, all of the girls named in that scandal deny the existence of a pact to this day. Unless I’m mistaken, most of the “pact” stuff was nonsense and the media (both news and entertainment) just kinda ran with it for the ✨drama.✨
I very well could be wrong, though. Who really knows for sure, outside of the girls themselves?
@@catewithac8978Yeah, I think it’s been confirmed that the whole “pact” thing was bogus.
There was no pact. the school was just trashy like that and a bunch of girls were pregnant at the same time
the mother that bullied the girl gets off scott free makes sense.
It's weirder that they tried to indict her in the first place i think. Incitement can be very vague.
no she gets arrested again at the episode for assault because the prosecutor says something snarky to her and she attacks her
@@jkrfan7Snarky, it may have been but the mom still could have chosen a different way. That said she also had very little impulse control so maybe Ms. Greyleck saw that and used it to her advantage knowing full well that the mom needed to serve jail time.
She then promptly assaulted the ADA and was arrested for that instead.
Yeah coz anyone who kills themself coz of a stranger's words has bigger problems lol
Not the father protecting her delusions 😭✋
She probably inherited it from her parents
Her parents came off as major enablers who never wanted to establish boundaries so that she’d remain under their roof as a helpless little girl.
@@ifeelpretty5790 They were f'kin' drunks!
That's what they do, it's disgusting
"Daddy, make her be quiet!" You gonna say that whenever the baby cries?
Assuming she's home long enough to even acknowledge the baby if she hadn't been murdered. She'd probably shirk her responsibilities and just keep partying.
@@lukerosales5879 That's what that immature, partying teen mother did in the SVU episode 'Selfish'.
@zzzzzzzzzzzk that was a painful episode to watch too. The worst part is that the baby in that episode never got justice for her death.
A happy ending it might not have been, but i love how in the end, just when the mom thinks she's gotten away with it. She gets her comeuppance because she pretty much gave them a reason. Snarky as the prosecutor, Ms. Greyleck's comments to her might've been. It was still up to the mom to control herself. That said, maybe Ms. Greyleck, seeing the mom's lack of better judgment and impulse control, deliberately provoked her because she knew the mom deserved prison time. Also, MAJOR APPLAUSE TO THE BURN VICTIMS DAD. He not only trued prevent there being anymore victims. He stepped up to not only assume custody of his future grandchild but also showed so much love and compassion for the girl. WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE HIM IN THIS WORLD. AND I'M PROUD TO SAY MOTHER BEEN ONE OF THEM. And on more than one occasion, too.
The Christopher Meloni era was top notch. The show was so much better.
Yeah, things went downhill when they just focused on Olivia. SVU's better with a strong cast, not a star actor and spare parts.
I love how the mother went from smug to scared
Thank you so much for actually putting together the story beats! Instead of splitting and jumbling them up for clickbait
Stabler's smug smile before the charges against the mother are listed off in the court. Chef's kiss!
Oh God... the cut from Fin to Munch... they went there 😂
Part of Munch's crazy rant got cut out as did Finn saying that it wasn't working. Munch actually ended it with "the Illuminati are after us. Or they're after you. Nobody's after me? Is anybody after me?"
I felt sad for Tina she was getting the short end loosing her family. Tom Galli going before the Family Court taking with the Judge taking custody of his grandchild and giving Tina a place to live. She should be with family, not with strangers. She now has a chance for a much brighter picture of life.
Compared to what would've been in store for Fidelia, if Max hadn't taken her life.
2:18 Munch really said hold my badge didn’t he?
Part of Munch's crazy rant got cut out as did Finn saying that it wasn't working. Munch actually ended it with "the Illuminati are after us. Or they're after you. Nobody's after me? Is anybody after me?"
you missed the best part towards that ending the mother rants at the attorney and managed to get her hands on that attorney Attempts to choke her and gets arrested for it ranting I’m still a good mother to which the attorney says I want to file charges
Also missed the end of Munch's rant.
I still enjoy this episode, especially since it gave a bittersweet yet hopeful ending by having the victim's father decide to help the girl raise the baby while her mother and brother are sent to prison.
All I can say that This one of the best episodes in L&O SVU.
"Babies having babies doesn't bother you?"
"Babies killing babies bothers me."
There is no way they got that right on the first take.
It makes sense considering Elliott and Kathy had their first child at 18 years old and because he's a Catholic.
@@BillyButcher90 But you're legally an adult at 18. These girls are still minors.
@@kyndrablankenship1758 True, these girls were minors. All I'm saying is that El and Kathy were both married at 17 years old and had Maureen the next year. They were on the cusp of adulthood.
@@BillyButcher90I think they meant that the line was a tongue twister.
@@kenxiong9776 It sounds like this line was poorly written. 😖 They should've said "kids having babies" instead of "babies having babies".
This was truly one of the best episodes.
Mommy Dearest actually wasn't arrested until after an angry mob tried to string her up.
Yeah that wasn't right.
@@darthnowlan The mob or the timing of the arrest???
@@WarGrowlmon18Both.
This was before cyberbullying was officially established as a crime. Greylek said it herself that Peggy couldn't be charged for murder (as she stated, she only typed words on a computer) even though it was Max who murdered Fidelia, which was why she worked around the law and placed as much charges that were close to the actual crime as possible.
This is one of my all time favorite SVU episodes. SOO good.
yeah, teens aren't ready for parenting. they're not financially independent yet, the min education for most work is a high school diploma or a GED, and that's just the beginning.
The only type of job they could get is a retail or menial worker.
@@BillyButcher90 ture. but if they do work (and they will have to), that adds babysitter or daycare money. unless family (assuming they support getting knocked up before you're ready/capable of rasing a baby) steps in for those hours. it's just another expense they're generally not ready for. but you are correct.
@@TheKisame808 It's like how I mentioned earlier in one of my comments from this video. There are financial costs as a result of having a child.
Also, they NEED to learn to take care of themselves before they can take care of a baby.
Crazy seeing Britt Robertson so young!
"If you had anything more than threats against me and my kids you would have arrested me already, so get out!"
One Elliot stare later.
"One count..."
These kids' parents really failed.
As Liv said, the teen pregnancy apple didn't fall far from the tree.
The only parents who took responsibility was Josh’s dad, taking Tina in, giving her a sense of security and family. At least there was a silver lining in all of this
At least one of them made the right face when one of the girls said "Our parents will help us. Right dad?".
@kyndrablankenship1758 the airheaded girl at least was thinking ahead in terms of getting a job to support her child. Although she wasn't really aware of how difficult it would be to get one.
@@lukerosales5879 Pregnancy Pacts, that sounds like something people would do in the '60s.
The elisode is based on the Gloucester High School "Pregnancy Pact" case.
Those teen girls (Fidelia's friends) were very gullible or stupid 😖
They just just plain stupid
You wouldn't believe.
Think that's meant to be the point.
They were BOTH. Gullible AND Stupid.
or children.. plus american children, you know about the education that country receives, or lack there of.
The scene changing to Munch 😂
Part of Munch's crazy rant got cut out as did Finn saying that it wasn't working. Munch actually ended it with "the Illuminati are after us. Or they're after you. Nobody's after me? Is anybody after me?"
@@WarGrowlmon18 rip the actor ❤️❤️❤️
Spoilers.......
The mother gets arrested again after Greylek makes a snark comment about her and her daughter Tina gets adopted by Josh's father, whose son was killed by Tina's brother, since he didn't want her to raise the baby alone.
What a bittersweet yet hopeful ending! Still, I hate Tina's mother, and. she definitely deserved to go to jail.
Wow, an hour long episode summed up in little over 10 minutes
This was a very serious issue but 2:12-2:31 and 6:00-6:20 are two of the funniest L&O: SVU moments ever.
Part of Munch's crazy rant got cut out as did Finn saying that it wasn't working. Munch actually ended it with "the Illuminati are after us. Or they're after you. Nobody's after me? Is anybody after me?"
UH OH ITS THE PO PO
What an absolutely complex web of a case
I love Dr. Warner; beauty and brains, I miss her on SVU.
My husband saw the dad of the deceased fire victim and he showed me the scene on O brother where art thou, and now I can’t unsee that.
I know him as one of the detectives on Juice and lawyer on The Practice.
“His daughter Phildelia… Whatever happened there…”
Rip Belzer
🥺
@@wendyhardin5259 this is a weird thing to type, but I feel that emoji
Nobody cares
@@lanthanumlanthanium6373 you are as sadly wrong as you are distinctly sad. I don't even want to waste my energy on being rude. I hope you find joy someday and even watch the Green Room with Paul Provenza episode that had Belzer in it. I hope you someday grow up and eat your words with multiple grains of salt.
Fin was having none of it from that guy 😂
His look on his face, was like 'if I wasn't on duty, I would put you in the hospital!' LOL!
Belzer going “oh ow” 😂 seems like she actually hit him a little too hard lmao
This episode was wild, especially Jesse McCartney’s character.
When the detectives confront Peggy about the "suicide," the kid seems to be playing NtenCity, the video game that was the focal point of the episode "Games" in Season 6.
4:35 “I told him not to”
“What did you just say?” 😂
“Barbecue a little too well done” 💀
I love the sudden cut to the court room
Isn't that Britt Robertson in the thumbnail?
EDIT: Fin's lines of when Munch gets committed to posing undercover as a lunatic is underrated and iconic LOL
5:05 that was hell out of line. And frankly degrading for all mothers regardless of age.
You can have a life as a mother, and that’s just ignorant and insulting.
How was it out of line? Fidelia didn't have the maturity OR the stability to have a baby and her parents didn't prepare her for the reality, constantly making her out to be the victim. And Fidelia's pregnancy pact was more "I'm pregnant so you should all be too", dragging three other girls who weren't prepared for motherhood yet into her scheme.
Liv's mother was an adult but because of the circumstances of her conception, she made Liv's childhood hell until she died from her alcoholism. So yeah, Liv knows what she's talking about, Fidelia needed a reality check, especially since she was stroking her pregnant belly like it were an accessory.
@@lukerosales5879 🙌👏 well said
Olivia was giving her a taste of reality
@juliuscaesar8152 yeah - so far only one of those girls was thinking ahead when she said she was willing to get a job to support her baby. But Fidelia was treating her own child as a pet. That child would've been left to her parents while she still lived her lifestyle of partying instead of being responsible for her child.
@@lukerosales5879 yep
2:17 This part always makes me laugh its why I John Munch is one of my favorites
This episode has so many different perversions going on, it has to hold a record.
You know, in a way, this episode reminds me of that question, which is, if everybody jumped off a cliff, would you do it too? Also, I think both Debi Mazar and Jesse McCartney should have gotten Emmys for their performances in this one.
my childhood love until now Jesse McCartney❤
Well she's not yelling anymore so he got what he wanted in the end.
When I was 16 or 17 one of our circle of friends wanted to be a mother, after high school. I was college bound and was flabbergasted that someone so young who knew nothing and hadn't even lived, thought she would make a good mother.
Shocking to me. I'm 70 now and the shock factor is still there.
Maybe you should leave your bubble sometime 🤦♀️
Honestly, no sympathy for Fidelia
Elliot saying theres a thing called adoption, aint his body aint his concern.
Man this episode is complicated, so many families ruined because of revenge
Did not expect to see Jesse McCartney when I clicked on this video!
This reminded me that there was an incident like this in real life. I wonder what happened to those people
I see Little Carmine was dropping in at Vesuvio's a little too often.
The actress who played carlotta did a great job acting very delusional. It's the smile that got me. I have no idea who she is but she is an amazing actress.
Also, in a brief shot 4:45, the mother behind is thinking her daughter's really messed up.
"barbacue ..a little too well done" ☠
Well hello Jesse McCartney!!!
@6:45 that’s a great way to decompress your back
Wild episode
The Best Episode 😊❤😊❤
Wait is that Jesse McCartney!???
I like the comment that detective munch just said good bye family jewels
SVU handles these heavy topics with the subtlety of a hammer killing a fruit fly.
I wonder if the people involved in the real life story that inspired this episode ever watched it
This episode was fucked! It started out insane and just kept getting worse and worse! And I originally thought it was just going to be an ode to the pregnancy pact lol
I was raising kids at 1 and running a household at 15...I paid my dues
you were raising kids at 1 and running a household at 15? boy you need to come up with better lies
@@crazyunclecrispy6140 I think they mean they were parentified and raising their siblings.
Oh my fucking god.. this episode... I'm seeing this with little to no context of Law&Order and this is WILD..
When Fadelia didn’t wanna hear the truth 😂 5:06
what really made it funny was that was clearly just a PSA to make sure they got the message through,lol
She never thought about it like that, did she?
man, it’s always the most prominent actor that’s the killer lol
Law and Order SVU tackles important issues for American families. That many people have to deal with in society these days.
Stabler needed to shut his trap this episode
"Uh oh it's the po pop"🙄
nice to see b friendz make a cameo here
Olivia talks a lot about motherhood for someone who doesn’t have a kid
* laughs in Noah Porter-Benson *
But no seriously, she was raised by an abusive alcoholic who never let her forget her conception was a result of sexual assault. Liv knows what she's talking about.
@@lukerosales5879That's exactly what makes her opinion problematic, though. She has this lifetime of trauma telling her that a child you didn't plan ruins your life, and that's a massive oversimplification at best.
@@torievictoria and Fidelia's baby would've been neglected. Fidelia was stroking her belly as if it were some accessory while she was gloating about how "old chicks were jealous" of her. Liv may have admitted she dropped the hammer too hard, but Fidelia needed that wake-up call. Because chances are, she'd only parade her child around and leave her mom and dad to deal with the messy bits, and she was absent from school for most of her second/third trimester so there's no way she'd be able to catch up and get the education she needed to help support her child. Liv may have been projecting her trauma, but it was justified considering her focus was on the baby's welfare.
This episode is loosely based on the teenage girls who got pregnant in Gloucester, Massachusetts
I love Jesse McCartney ❤
Teenagers are crazy.
5:21 oh look, it’s Little Carmine
2:33 I hope Munch had padding on 😅