Not a reasonable outcome to expect from giving meds without prescription. She is totally on the hook and fucked up, but it’s not realistic to say she knowingly choose between those two
@@propogandalf its a fake drug, there was no black box warning. even if there was, that doesn't go to say there's a reasonable chance of it actually happening
I remember this case. They ended up making a deal where the kid would get the psychiatric help that he needed which the kid took because he genuinely wanted to get better. They then went after drug company that was pushing that stuff on people despite knowing that it was dangerous.
Thanks for the info on the story. Always frustrates me that it doesnt give you the ending and then I can’t find the full episode. Can you remember if they looked at the timing of mum being sent the meds and from a doc she hasn’t seen in 3 years? Was there something fishy there?
@@lindseymcdougall9774I think it was something about the drug company sending them "free samples" repeatedly or something like that??? I can't remember all of the details. SVU is on streaming though.
@lindseymcdougall9774 omg 🤦♂️ people seriously can’t think for themselves at all these days. How could you possibly have had difficulty finding the episodes that these clips are from when *the season and episode name and number are in the description below every video* 🤦♂️
@@Barrythebarnabas did you find the clip that shows that part? Did you find a full plot summary that tells you how the mum was sent the drugs? I did look. I searched for the specific series and episode and using the episodes name. I looked for full summaries of the episode online. I even looked to see if I could stream the episode so I could watch the last 10 mins or so to find out, but wasn’t willing to pay for it. So back off. If you find the clip that explains it. Let me know
@@WarGrowlmon18 real question : is it... common in the USA ???? Because in my country, any company making advertisement for prescription medecine or worse sending SAMPLES (???!!!???) would have its a$$ destroyed by a string of lawsuit and bans at so many level of power (national, European, etc) that they would never be allowed to sell anything on the territory again.... ESPECIALLY PSYCHOTROPES !
knew a kid who used to live next door me, she was the nicest kid around, always used to say to me whenever i was in the garden because i was her history teacher at her school back then, one day she stabbed her mother in the stomach, knocked on my door and said her mom had been stabbed, i call the ambulance and police, and end up with a scissors in my kidney, kid had developed paranoid hallucinations and thought everyone wanted her dead so she snapped. 20 years later that same girl now work at my school as a teaching assistant, she had spent 11 years in a mental hospital before getting certified sane, and then got cleared of all charges, great kid, great teaching assistant, im paying her tuition to become a full fledged teacher because she genuinely loves teaching history, she said that i was her favourite teacher as a kid so she wanted to be a teacher because of me
Are you serious?? What makes you think that as an adult she won't flip out again, at school and God forbid hurt a child? UNBELEIVABLE. CLEAARLY neither one of you should be working at a school.
Sounds like a worst case scenario first psychotic break, is she schizophrenic? It’s very rare that they hurt others but it does happen. Something similar happened about a decade ago down in Florida, except it was a young man.
@@skyofthelivingdead she had stress induced psychosis and paranoia, along with severe abandonment issues, thankfully thats all a thing of the past, only issues to worry about with her now is her remembering to take her insulin for her type1 diabetes she developed in her late teens
@@Ofa337 well firstly, her mental health conditions were easily treatable and were developed from intense stress due to family circumstance at the time, and the headmistress of the school i work at is ex-army, she never hires anyone unless she is 100% sure they are safe, and the girl in question is 100% safe, she actually loves working in the classroom and is really good at her job, she has helped many students with there work and is a pillar of the school
It's hard enough for adults who struggle with mental health issues, but kids and teens..... Depending on the illness, that can be like taking the muzzle off a rabid dog.
@@tacticallemon7518so true, i had issues with my mental health for years in high school, was hurting myself bc i couldn’t handle the pain. Never told anyone because I didn’t wanna be labeled as crazy with the way stigma was around mental health. Wasn’t put on meds and in therapy till I was 17.
Not to mention that puberty makes people feel like they’re going crazy to begin with. I saw part of a documentary about the brain on PBS, & they talked about how the puberty hormones change the brain, making kids feel like everyone is watching them all the time & making them feel embarrassed. The scientist said there’s such fast, extreme brain changes that it overloads the brain & causes kids to lash out with tantrum-like behaviors. He says it’s basically the same thing as toddlers having meltdowns due to their brain development being too much for them to handle at times & leading to toddler tantrums. When I heard that, I thought it would change the world if all teens knew that was going on with hormones & their brains. It would’ve made a world of difference for me just knowing that everyone else felt exactly the same way.
The doctor that diagnosed me with Asperger's Syndrome once prescribed a medication for me to take. My mother, who doesn't agree with doping up kids so they'd behave, asked a pharmacist for a print-out of the drug (ingredients and whatnot), since she couldn't find _any information on it._ The pharmacist comes back, goes "well, it's your choice weather you want to give it to your daughter..." and handed her the print-out...several pages of a print-out. On the very last page, in big, bold letters, it read; "This medication is not to be prescribed to people under the age of 18, as the side effects are totally unknown". I was 11. Needless to say, I was not given the medication.
Your mother was smart. My kid brother got a PhD in pharmaceutical chemistry and spent his entire career in the pharmaceutical industry. He told the family always to talk to the pharmacist, they know way more about the drugs than the doctors, that's their whole focus. That pharmacist sounded like he read at least some of that report.
@@lucymcdonald2874 As an autistic person there aren't medications for Autisms per se but there are antidepressants and ADHD medications that can help with some of the worst symptoms of the disorder. ADHD is usually comorbid with Autism so it's likely an autistic person would take stimulants to help with ADHD symptoms. As well as antidepressants to help with depression, because let me tell you, this disorder sucks sometimes. Especially because this world was not made for Autistic people and trying to survive in this world even with help is depressing.
This episode made me angry, I remember. The pharma rep is blamed for everything, meanwhile the mother who gave her kid medication not prescribed to him gets in no trouble at all.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirlNo. there is a process. Multiple rounds of testing and pending public use approval. A company can’t give out a drug not approved by the FDA
The insurance company wouldn't pay for therapy and the school wanted the kid on drugs, which the pharmacist happily provided. I don't blame the mother for being left with only one terrible choice. The healthcare system in the US is terrible and being an employer means almost to zero rights. Combine this with being a single mother with a very sick child and you have no chance to thrive.
@@moneylover318 That's another thing, therapy is bad, because the person gets a stigma, but drugs are fine. That's so weird. America creates their own gods and worships them: Drugs and guns are on top right now and people in America keep wondering why their churches on earth (The pharma industry and the gun lobby) have so much power in politics and society...
Sure. But it’s helpful. Severe depression? Okay, here’s antidepressants so you can get out of bed, now come talk about it and see if we can address it this way.
@@unclejoker9975 I'm more willing to have any side effects so I can actually live a normal life and not have to suffer. Must be nice not to have to make that decision and be mentally healthy. The side effects are nothing compared to my own mental illness.
@WouldntULikeToKnow. you assume more than you should. I minored in psychology and used to think, "Just don't be depressed" when it came to depression. Since those days, I've had my my share of bouts with depression and now describe it as a hole that when tried to be climbed out of results in pulling more dirt in on top of you. I admit that we are all different. I can't recall how I escaped it many of those times. I'd just wonder what freed me and allowed me to jump or be pulled out of my pit. I know that people who aren't in the "hole" with you talking about diet, exercise, etc. don't help and can make it worse. Sitting in groups with other sufferers telling our therapist(s) that their "helping" wasn't much help was temporary relief that only lasted while banding together and laughing about how crazy the whole thing was, only to dissipate as we dispersed to our vehicles. I accidentally discovered a cure that applied to myself when I was taking 3 hour improv classes on Fridays one autumn. There were three separate weeks where there was no class due to Veterans Day, state holiday, and Thanksgiving. I noticed that my depression loomed on the weeks that we didn't gather. I hope that anyone reading this finds their "improv" outlet, and they have the strength to get up and go take that medicine. On my journey, I've learned that it isn't my job to carry the weight to judge or be judged when it comes to myself. I work for God, and he doesn't promise an easy life, but he does give unconditional love. Our bodies were designed to heal themselves and produce the chemicals that medication is designed to activate. If I can avoid crutches and heal faster, I will. That's just my preference, though. Even on tough days, if I can look in the mirror and say, "I went down swinging," then it was a pretty good day. I pray for strength in all of your struggles. God bless.
@@unclejoker9975 Funny how you claim others are assuming more than they should while you seem to be making your own assumptions that their comment was about your mental status. They hypothesized that it must be nice to be healthy, not that you must be healthy to make your assumption. But go off
The mother was in a desperate situation. She heard everyone saying her son needed to be on that med. She had depression before. She took the med, and it helped her, so she thought it would work for her son as well. We saw how that turned out. I can understand her reasoning, and I can sympathize with her somewhat. I loved how Cabot talked to them and the defense lawyer, and got the defense lawyer to look past the case for a moment. She got them to admit that the kid had problems and needed help. She also got them to realize that even if the defense won the case, the kid and his mother would end out right back where they were. How long would it be before they're back in court again? I think that was enough to make the defense lawyer switch his strategy and focus on actually helping the kid. I especially liked how the kid accepted the plea right away. I get the feeling he no longer cared about being labeled. This may be somewhat cruel, but I don't think he cared about the kids he killed at that moment. He said it himself - he wanted to get better. That was more important to him at that moment than anything else. I also think he no longer trusted his mother to do what was right for him. She gave him the pills in secret so he wouldn't get labeled, and that blew up spectacularly. When offered the plea, she didn't want to make the decision now. She wanted to think it over. Once again, it seemed she was more concerned about the labeling than helping her son. Her son has had enough of being sick and of her apparent unwillingness to accept the truth about the problem and deal with it in the open rather than behind closed doors. He made the decision for her.
I don't know where she got the idea that being on medication follows you forever. Especially at that time More than maybe half the kids in America were on prescriptions at the time.
@@moneylover318 I don't think it's being on meds that she was concerned about. It was having on his records that he's a mental patient. It would hurt his chances of getting ahead in life. But like I said, her kid had enough. Enough of being sick and enough of her. He made the decision for himself.
@ytafan4068 i dont mean to argue to be clear im just confused. I meant when stabler asked why she didn't just get a prescription and she say i didn't want him to get labeled. I thought she meant that being on medication will follow you forever
I was diagnosed with ADD as a child & hated taking the medication. My son has ADHD with behavioral issues (that he finally outgrew) but I remember the battle with my own mom and being told by everybody at school insisting that he needed to be medicated. If he misbehaved they’d ask “did you take your medicine?!!” The pressure was so infuriating , and he hated the medication as well.
I'm not a big fan of medication either. I had a d d and took medication. I never felt like myself . I eventually outgrow it. My cousin had ADHD and some behavior issues. She was hell to be around. She had to take that medicine to calm down even a little bit. None of the other kids really enjoyed being around her, because it would always go off the rails eventually. I'm not a fan of medication, but I'm also not a fan of your behavior affecting everyone around you. I hope your son is doing much better now. Medication for children can sometimes be a double-edged sword.
I'm on medication for debilitating anxiety, which has genuinely helped me a lot. However! I have very quickly become sick of that question. Being asked "did you take your medicine today?" Whenever I express basically ANY emotion: too excited? Angry? Sad? Jittery with anticipation? Or even! Nothing at all! is frankly infuriating. Sympathies for your son, it sucks.
I just want to say that medication is worth at least trying for a trial period so long as you are 100% certain of the diagnosis. I'm 28 but I was diagnosed at age 7 and I believe I was put on medication from at least the age of 8. I have a severe case of it and I cannot function without it and even with a large doseage as an adult I still struggle a lot. I'm a huge advocate for medication because I know how much of a difference it makes for me. But I said you have to be 100% sure because my younger sister was misdiagnosed with having ADHD and put on medication but she was re-evaluated and turns out she just has a learning disability of which there's no medication for treatment. Luckily for her she was not on a large dosage and was only negatively effected by minimized appetite. But trying a low doseage for a trial period might be a major blessing for your child if it works really well for them.
@@afoy550 You either still have ADHD or you never had it, because it’s part of how your brain is wired. Maybe you were just an energetic kid. Maybe you’ve just learned how to manage very well. I’m ADHD, hyperactive presentation. I can focus fine, and my executive functioning is actually fairly good, but I will talk your fucking ear off.
Poor kid. I have mental health issues and it's hard enough for me as an adult. Can't imagine what he's going through. Edit: Good Lord I understand this is an actor.
@@justinmoody9164I’m pretty sure they know that he’s not real and that this is just a show they’re saying that they feel bad for him and that it must’ve been hard for him and they couldn’t imagine what he’s going through they mean in the show
@@justinmoody9164 they know he’s not real, however, the time that they were writing the show the writers had a rule. The cases we saw had to be based on crimes, and or situations that had actually happened in the system. They also tried to focus on cases that weren’t on the beaten track. Sometimes it worked better than others but anyway. The point is that this was a debate that was happening at the time because we had a lot of kids being put on meds with no research as to whether or not the condition, warranted it, or what the side effects would be.
Seriously... Without that job, she can't keep a roof over his head, let alone therapy or meds or anything else. Gotta love judgment of the privileged ...
You're right, she should have consulted a doctor before giving her son medication, but I have sympathy for this mother. Her son's mental illness was about to get him expelled from school and she couldn't afford a real therapist, she was desperate.
Not how that works. He would be “labeled” if he ever wanted to change schools or go into the army or some academic jobs. It is a consideration when diagnosing or prescribing children with stuff, it’s just that the negative effects of people finding out you have “a record” normally doesn’t heavily counter the positive effects of the treatment. But it’s not 100% private or 100% not punished. And at the end of the day, wouldn’t you want your doctor or your kid’s classmates to NOT be a person who took pills as a kid? Maybe you are accepting and open minded of mental health and medication, most people are not as forgiving.
I remember. This is where they blamed the pharmaceutical company because the mother disregarded the instructions and gave her son a medicine that had been prescribed to her without ever telling her doctor. How that was anyone's fault but her own was never made clear. It was one of the reasons I stopped watching this show.
As horrible as it is that the kid was mistreated due to his mental illness, he still murdered two kids. He needs to be held accountable for what he did, as well as the parents who put him there in the first place.
He was held accountable for that, he took a deal where he would get institutionalized so that he could be punished and get the help that he needed at the same time.
@@WouldntULikeToKnow. But the way he just handed them out to people who needed them was reckless & dangerous. Hence why one of his charges was reckless endangerment
@@WouldntULikeToKnow. When used properly are the operative words there. Sending them to people through the mail and hoping for the best might not be a great idea.
@@joewhitehead3 but giving your child a random pill that could be labeled anything from the mail is wrong. She didn’t order it, she didn’t know what it was, she’s not an expert. It could’ve been anything. You don’t do that.
Everyone should know that if you have ANY medication that's not the over the counter stuff, it should be prescribed by the patient's doctor and the patient's doctor alone, not just a strong opinion
And you should read the label before mixing OTCs with one another or alcohol, and talk to a pharmacist before mixing OTCs or alcohol with your prescriptions. Also, if you have known drug allergies, it’s worthwhile to ask “hey, I’m allergic to X, does that make it likely I’m allergic to New Prescription?”
as someone who was diagnosed with adhd at the age of 3 back in the early 2000’s meds are a very VERY tricky subject. my parents couldn’t deal with me and my behavior but they never increased my dose past what was actually necessary. a lot of times especially with adhd parents think that a medicated kid who is full and quiet is the correct solution but it’s not. kids are not meant to be zombies.there is going to be impulsive and immature behavior for kids with adhd until they grow up no matter what meds you give them. sometimes you just gotta safely wait it out edit: to clarify, i was diagnosed at a psychologists office multiple times. i wasn’t just answering simple yes or no questions i underwent several hours of neuropsychological testing (which can be very expensive so a lot of ppl are unable to get it done but it would help with the over diagnosis of adhd) so my situation is very different from a lot of people’s.
I agree. More isn't necessarily better. Every child is different. One of the major side effects of ADD or ADHD medications is the zombie like effect, and that is extremely concerning. Therapy, I think, should be the first line of defense if it is accessible and/or if the insurance will cover it. The therapist can make an assessment to see if medication along with psychotherapy would be a helpful tool. Everyone's financial situation is different. All these different factors are what make these situations so difficult and complex.
@@hydrangeas_lover exactly! medication is a perfectly viable solution for kids as long as they aren’t being OVER medicated. my adhd meds growing up helped me to focus but if i started to feel zombie like and dead my parents would drop the dose even if it was more convenient for them to have me wandering around like a robot. i never hated taking my meds bc they never put me on a dose high enough to affect my mental health state severely. i teach swim lessons to a kiddo with severe adhd and his parents don’t give it to him consistently and it’s also very obvious the dose is too high bc he’s told me on multiple occasions he hates taking it bc he feels robotic when he does. there’s a healthy balance to adhd meds for kids and finding a dose that allows a child to focus better while still being a child is so important. the impulse control and hyperactivity will get better over time but the meds are meant to treat the ability for a child to pay attention and retain important information, not turn them into little androids who go through the day in what is essentially a daze.
@@dsadik666 i was not medicated until the age of 5 but even to this day it’s very apparent i have adhd so the psychologists were indeed correct. i’m also a girl and it’s well known that girls with adhd tend to present differently and are underdiagnosed, mine was just so obvious and so severe that it was clear i had something wrong with me.
@@jayleighbear that's not helping the case much it would have to be ridiculously severe. There's been many scandals with the American Health care. The doctors they were getting Kickbacks and essentially bribes for prescribing those medicines this is how the opioid epidemic became a thing.
There needs to be more programs for kids who have mental health issues and to help them deal the issues and to get their parents more involved in those therapy sessions!
That’s a good point actually, how does she know that it wasn’t the kind of pills that’ll- well you know having him pushing up daisies… Plus how does the mother know that it was the supposed pills she was supposed to give to her son? Not unless there’s a note attached to it.
I must have been extremely sheltered when I was growing up because I don't ever remember seeing any of my classmates acting like this or like the guys picking on him when I was in school. I got bullied on occasion but not to the point that these kids went to. It hurts my heart to think about this kind of stuff happening.
So basically she was worried about HER reputation for her child.. basically these shows are making me look a little bit more better then what I thought as a mother because I am definitely not a good parent / perfect
Even if he does have a mental disorder, she should have took him to a doctor instead of trying to give him her own medications because it was doing more harm than good.
Maybe this boy should be placed in a mental hospital for this. Or maybe he can be in juvenile jail. He has to tell the truth, because lies won't help. That medication should've been banned from being given out.
I'm sick of people blaming these hard working single parents who are desperate for their children to get well. Elliot is a good man but he doesn't understand struggle of a sick child. Oh wait yes he does and he never even tried to help her.
It isn't easy to deal with troubled teenagers whenever they experience a lot of murder rampages in New York as seen on the episode, "Manic" from Law & Order SVU these days of play acting. OMG, actress Mare Winningham guest stars as Joe's mom in case you didn't know that.
@@redlupo6193 Winningham was one of those actresses where you wondered, why weren't they in more stuff, bigger, more high profile roles and so on. Especially after her Academy Award nomination for "Georgia" (never knew she had such a great singing voice until then). But then I found out how many children she'd had. So she's had a very good, consistent career considering all the times she's had to take long breaks in her career to give birth and take care of all those children. More than other careers, taking time off to raise kids can really disrupt and even kill your career.
Every psych I've talked to says "meds don't fix the problems on its own." Ya gotta have some form of therapy as well. I'd say this is an extreme example of the consequences that could happen
Joe got the mental help he needed. He then moved to Woodsboro, changed his name to Charlie, grew up into a well mannered teenager, put on a ghostface mask and proceeded to go on a murder spree with his partner Jill Roberts as seen in Scream 4
The Pych doc was Cas on Days Of Our Lives, the Hope and Bo years. And Joe’s mother was in the movie, St. Elmo’s Fire; she had a crush on Rob Lowe’s character.
I agree, but honestly, who cares what a piece of paper says?? If your child needs help you help them. And then you teach them to have tough skin and to ignore the hate and backtalk from hypocrites.
@@leeammorris1268 it’s not about hate and back talk, it is about potentially being denied health insurance or a job based on health history. You have obviously not been in this situation; I have.
@@sdaiwepm You appear to have missed the part where she says the school demanded he be medicated, which means they've ALREADY labeled him. No employer (or school) has access to your medical records. Societal labeling is rarely dependent upon medical records. And for something like health insurance, the lack of a prescription isn't going to be of any benefit to someone who requires psychotherapy. Opting for therapy instead of meds doesn't change a diagnosis. With or without the prescription, his records will clearly indicate that he's mentally unwell & in need of ongoing treatment. And since therapy is far more costly than meds, it's also far more of a concern for insurance companies.
@@sdaiwepmBut what about as a child? Can jobs look at your medical record from when you were a child to deny your jobs outside of the government jobs. No job I've ever had is ever asked to see my childhood medical records.
Fun fact, the boy in this episode is Rory Culkin, Macaulay Culkin’s little brother. When I first saw him I knew his face and voice seemed familiar lmao 😂
I mean sure, hindsight 20/20. Buttttttttt, in her defense if there was no negative side effect nobody would know. That being said, there is almost always a negative side effect of some sort for those kind of drugs.
Nope, it’s 100% on her. Why do you think we need to monitor our patients on their drug regimens?? She convinced a doc to write her a script, thinking she was the patient. Probably wrong dosage and everything because you need to know who is taking the medication you’re prescribing, their age, wt, medical history, etc. Any moron should know that.
Two days ago, a fourteen year old killed two teachers and two students in a Georgia high school. Additionally, he wounded nine others. It is claimed he has "mental issues". The weapon is similar to an AR rifle. A Christmas gift from his father last year AFTER his son was interviewed by the FBI due to online threats where linked to him. The FBI was unable to corroborate the allegations. The student left his classroom. He then attempted to reenter the classroom. But, when another student got up to open the door, they saw the weapon. It is thought he planned to shoot his own classroom. He was to be tried as an adult. However, at his arraignment today, the Judge stated he will not be tried as an adult and the death penalty will not be considered.
Because giving an ADULT psychiatric medication in ADULT dosages to a minor is such a brilliant idea. Of course, a desperate mother with no exposure to medical facts wouldn't know that, so the real responsible party is that idiot doctor who sent it to her.
As soon as I saw his face, I KNEW this kid had to be a Culkin! Apparently it’s Rory Culkin. The whole family are great actors!
Fun! I could see it after I read your comment :D
Yeah, I watched to see if it was his brother. They actually look a lot alike .
No one fucking cares.
@@LUCKO2022be nice man
@@LUCKO2022you strike me as a real loser
11:36 "Because I didn't want him to get labeled". I think murdering two other students will get him a worse label.
Not a reasonable outcome to expect from giving meds without prescription. She is totally on the hook and fucked up, but it’s not realistic to say she knowingly choose between those two
@@yucol5661I guess you don't know about black box warnings
@@propogandalf its a fake drug, there was no black box warning. even if there was, that doesn't go to say there's a reasonable chance of it actually happening
Well fucking obviously no one would expect him to do that
@@propogandalfdoesn’t matter literally no one is sitting around thinking “if I give my child drugs he’ll murder 2 kids”
I remember this case. They ended up making a deal where the kid would get the psychiatric help that he needed which the kid took because he genuinely wanted to get better. They then went after drug company that was pushing that stuff on people despite knowing that it was dangerous.
Thanks for the info on the story. Always frustrates me that it doesnt give you the ending and then I can’t find the full episode.
Can you remember if they looked at the timing of mum being sent the meds and from a doc she hasn’t seen in 3 years? Was there something fishy there?
@@lindseymcdougall9774I think it was something about the drug company sending them "free samples" repeatedly or something like that??? I can't remember all of the details. SVU is on streaming though.
@lindseymcdougall9774 omg 🤦♂️ people seriously can’t think for themselves at all these days. How could you possibly have had difficulty finding the episodes that these clips are from when *the season and episode name and number are in the description below every video* 🤦♂️
@@Barrythebarnabas did you find the clip that shows that part? Did you find a full plot summary that tells you how the mum was sent the drugs?
I did look. I searched for the specific series and episode and using the episodes name. I looked for full summaries of the episode online. I even looked to see if I could stream the episode so I could watch the last 10 mins or so to find out, but wasn’t willing to pay for it.
So back off. If you find the clip that explains it. Let me know
@@WarGrowlmon18 real question : is it... common in the USA ???? Because in my country, any company making advertisement for prescription medecine or worse sending SAMPLES (???!!!???) would have its a$$ destroyed by a string of lawsuit and bans at so many level of power (national, European, etc) that they would never be allowed to sell anything on the territory again.... ESPECIALLY PSYCHOTROPES !
knew a kid who used to live next door me, she was the nicest kid around, always used to say to me whenever i was in the garden because i was her history teacher at her school back then, one day she stabbed her mother in the stomach, knocked on my door and said her mom had been stabbed, i call the ambulance and police, and end up with a scissors in my kidney, kid had developed paranoid hallucinations and thought everyone wanted her dead so she snapped. 20 years later that same girl now work at my school as a teaching assistant, she had spent 11 years in a mental hospital before getting certified sane, and then got cleared of all charges, great kid, great teaching assistant, im paying her tuition to become a full fledged teacher because she genuinely loves teaching history, she said that i was her favourite teacher as a kid so she wanted to be a teacher because of me
Good on you for forgiving her. I’m sure she appreciates it.
Are you serious?? What makes you think that as an adult she won't flip out again, at school and God forbid hurt a child? UNBELEIVABLE. CLEAARLY neither one of you should be working at a school.
Sounds like a worst case scenario first psychotic break, is she schizophrenic? It’s very rare that they hurt others but it does happen. Something similar happened about a decade ago down in Florida, except it was a young man.
@@skyofthelivingdead she had stress induced psychosis and paranoia, along with severe abandonment issues, thankfully thats all a thing of the past, only issues to worry about with her now is her remembering to take her insulin for her type1 diabetes she developed in her late teens
@@Ofa337 well firstly, her mental health conditions were easily treatable and were developed from intense stress due to family circumstance at the time, and the headmistress of the school i work at is ex-army, she never hires anyone unless she is 100% sure they are safe, and the girl in question is 100% safe, she actually loves working in the classroom and is really good at her job, she has helped many students with there work and is a pillar of the school
It's hard enough for adults who struggle with mental health issues, but kids and teens..... Depending on the illness, that can be like taking the muzzle off a rabid dog.
especially with the stigma around mental health that causes people to try and hide illness
@@tacticallemon7518 When people don't know how to act around someone with mental illness, they tend to make it feel worse.
@@tacticallemon7518so true, i had issues with my mental health for years in high school, was hurting myself bc i couldn’t handle the pain. Never told anyone because I didn’t wanna be labeled as crazy with the way stigma was around mental health. Wasn’t put on meds and in therapy till I was 17.
Huh? And what exactly in this scenario would be "taking the muzzle of a rabid dog"? .....what you said made no sense.
Not to mention that puberty makes people feel like they’re going crazy to begin with. I saw part of a documentary about the brain on PBS, & they talked about how the puberty hormones change the brain, making kids feel like everyone is watching them all the time & making them feel embarrassed. The scientist said there’s such fast, extreme brain changes that it overloads the brain & causes kids to lash out with tantrum-like behaviors. He says it’s basically the same thing as toddlers having meltdowns due to their brain development being too much for them to handle at times & leading to toddler tantrums. When I heard that, I thought it would change the world if all teens knew that was going on with hormones & their brains. It would’ve made a world of difference for me just knowing that everyone else felt exactly the same way.
The doctor that diagnosed me with Asperger's Syndrome once prescribed a medication for me to take. My mother, who doesn't agree with doping up kids so they'd behave, asked a pharmacist for a print-out of the drug (ingredients and whatnot), since she couldn't find _any information on it._ The pharmacist comes back, goes "well, it's your choice weather you want to give it to your daughter..." and handed her the print-out...several pages of a print-out. On the very last page, in big, bold letters, it read; "This medication is not to be prescribed to people under the age of 18, as the side effects are totally unknown".
I was 11. Needless to say, I was not given the medication.
Smart Mom!
Your mother was smart. My kid brother got a PhD in pharmaceutical chemistry and spent his entire career in the pharmaceutical industry. He told the family always to talk to the pharmacist, they know way more about the drugs than the doctors, that's their whole focus. That pharmacist sounded like he read at least some of that report.
Medication for autism?! Huh? That doctor is CRAZY!
@@lucymcdonald2874 As an autistic person there aren't medications for Autisms per se but there are antidepressants and ADHD medications that can help with some of the worst symptoms of the disorder. ADHD is usually comorbid with Autism so it's likely an autistic person would take stimulants to help with ADHD symptoms. As well as antidepressants to help with depression, because let me tell you, this disorder sucks sometimes. Especially because this world was not made for Autistic people and trying to survive in this world even with help is depressing.
@@bluemeetsgreenexactly. Meds to assist with symptoms... Not autism itself.
This episode made me angry, I remember. The pharma rep is blamed for everything, meanwhile the mother who gave her kid medication not prescribed to him gets in no trouble at all.
Except in real life, the pharma industry does have a habit of pushing unsafe drugs even if the FDA itself haven't approved of them for public use.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirlNo. there is a process. Multiple rounds of testing and pending public use approval. A company can’t give out a drug not approved by the FDA
The insurance company wouldn't pay for therapy and the school wanted the kid on drugs, which the pharmacist happily provided.
I don't blame the mother for being left with only one terrible choice.
The healthcare system in the US is terrible and being an employer means almost to zero rights. Combine this with being a single mother with a very sick child and you have no chance to thrive.
@@KaitoKiaraWhat made me mad is when she said I didn't want Him to get labelled. More than half the kids in america at that time were on prescription
@@moneylover318
That's another thing, therapy is bad, because the person gets a stigma, but drugs are fine.
That's so weird. America creates their own gods and worships them: Drugs and guns are on top right now and people in America keep wondering why their churches on earth (The pharma industry and the gun lobby) have so much power in politics and society...
Is anybody going to talk about how nice of a drawing the kid did
it is pretty good even if it's a little creepy.
@@nickerskine6326 from what I learned mentally ill kids draw really well
@@samg873 that's not necessarily true
@@samg873not entirely true, yes some kids with mental health issues can draw incredibly well, but that isn’t the case for all of them.
@@samg873 that actually explains a lot.
Who the hell finds a random package of pills in their doorstep and thinks “I’ll give it to my kid”?
Optimists ?
Women ☕
americans
I love the psychotherapist's stance. Medication isn't always necessary.
Sure. But it’s helpful.
Severe depression? Okay, here’s antidepressants so you can get out of bed, now come talk about it and see if we can address it this way.
@@PokeMageTech it's helpful if you're willing to take on the side effects.
@@unclejoker9975 I'm more willing to have any side effects so I can actually live a normal life and not have to suffer. Must be nice not to have to make that decision and be mentally healthy. The side effects are nothing compared to my own mental illness.
@WouldntULikeToKnow. you assume more than you should. I minored in psychology and used to think, "Just don't be depressed" when it came to depression. Since those days, I've had my my share of bouts with depression and now describe it as a hole that when tried to be climbed out of results in pulling more dirt in on top of you. I admit that we are all different. I can't recall how I escaped it many of those times. I'd just wonder what freed me and allowed me to jump or be pulled out of my pit. I know that people who aren't in the "hole" with you talking about diet, exercise, etc. don't help and can make it worse. Sitting in groups with other sufferers telling our therapist(s) that their "helping" wasn't much help was temporary relief that only lasted while banding together and laughing about how crazy the whole thing was, only to dissipate as we dispersed to our vehicles. I accidentally discovered a cure that applied to myself when I was taking 3 hour improv classes on Fridays one autumn. There were three separate weeks where there was no class due to Veterans Day, state holiday, and Thanksgiving. I noticed that my depression loomed on the weeks that we didn't gather. I hope that anyone reading this finds their "improv" outlet, and they have the strength to get up and go take that medicine. On my journey, I've learned that it isn't my job to carry the weight to judge or be judged when it comes to myself. I work for God, and he doesn't promise an easy life, but he does give unconditional love. Our bodies were designed to heal themselves and produce the chemicals that medication is designed to activate. If I can avoid crutches and heal faster, I will. That's just my preference, though. Even on tough days, if I can look in the mirror and say, "I went down swinging," then it was a pretty good day. I pray for strength in all of your struggles. God bless.
@@unclejoker9975 Funny how you claim others are assuming more than they should while you seem to be making your own assumptions that their comment was about your mental status. They hypothesized that it must be nice to be healthy, not that you must be healthy to make your assumption. But go off
The mother was in a desperate situation. She heard everyone saying her son needed to be on that med. She had depression before. She took the med, and it helped her, so she thought it would work for her son as well. We saw how that turned out. I can understand her reasoning, and I can sympathize with her somewhat.
I loved how Cabot talked to them and the defense lawyer, and got the defense lawyer to look past the case for a moment. She got them to admit that the kid had problems and needed help. She also got them to realize that even if the defense won the case, the kid and his mother would end out right back where they were. How long would it be before they're back in court again? I think that was enough to make the defense lawyer switch his strategy and focus on actually helping the kid.
I especially liked how the kid accepted the plea right away. I get the feeling he no longer cared about being labeled. This may be somewhat cruel, but I don't think he cared about the kids he killed at that moment. He said it himself - he wanted to get better. That was more important to him at that moment than anything else. I also think he no longer trusted his mother to do what was right for him. She gave him the pills in secret so he wouldn't get labeled, and that blew up spectacularly. When offered the plea, she didn't want to make the decision now. She wanted to think it over. Once again, it seemed she was more concerned about the labeling than helping her son. Her son has had enough of being sick and of her apparent unwillingness to accept the truth about the problem and deal with it in the open rather than behind closed doors. He made the decision for her.
I don't know where she got the idea that being on medication follows you forever. Especially at that time More than maybe half the kids in America were on prescriptions at the time.
@@moneylover318 I don't think it's being on meds that she was concerned about. It was having on his records that he's a mental patient. It would hurt his chances of getting ahead in life. But like I said, her kid had enough. Enough of being sick and enough of her. He made the decision for himself.
@ytafan4068 i dont mean to argue to be clear im just confused. I meant when stabler asked why she didn't just get a prescription and she say i didn't want him to get labeled. I thought she meant that being on medication will follow you forever
I was diagnosed with ADD as a child & hated taking the medication. My son has ADHD with behavioral issues (that he finally outgrew) but I remember the battle with my own mom and being told by everybody at school insisting that he needed to be medicated. If he misbehaved they’d ask “did you take your medicine?!!” The pressure was so infuriating , and he hated the medication as well.
I'm not a big fan of medication either. I had a d d and took medication. I never felt like myself . I eventually outgrow it. My cousin had ADHD and some behavior issues. She was hell to be around. She had to take that medicine to calm down even a little bit. None of the other kids really enjoyed being around her, because it would always go off the rails eventually. I'm not a fan of medication, but I'm also not a fan of your behavior affecting everyone around you. I hope your son is doing much better now. Medication for children can sometimes be a double-edged sword.
I'm on medication for debilitating anxiety, which has genuinely helped me a lot. However! I have very quickly become sick of that question. Being asked "did you take your medicine today?" Whenever I express basically ANY emotion: too excited? Angry? Sad? Jittery with anticipation? Or even! Nothing at all! is frankly infuriating. Sympathies for your son, it sucks.
I just want to say that medication is worth at least trying for a trial period so long as you are 100% certain of the diagnosis. I'm 28 but I was diagnosed at age 7 and I believe I was put on medication from at least the age of 8. I have a severe case of it and I cannot function without it and even with a large doseage as an adult I still struggle a lot. I'm a huge advocate for medication because I know how much of a difference it makes for me.
But I said you have to be 100% sure because my younger sister was misdiagnosed with having ADHD and put on medication but she was re-evaluated and turns out she just has a learning disability of which there's no medication for treatment. Luckily for her she was not on a large dosage and was only negatively effected by minimized appetite.
But trying a low doseage for a trial period might be a major blessing for your child if it works really well for them.
What’s something other than medication that can help?
@@afoy550
You either still have ADHD or you never had it, because it’s part of how your brain is wired. Maybe you were just an energetic kid. Maybe you’ve just learned how to manage very well.
I’m ADHD, hyperactive presentation. I can focus fine, and my executive functioning is actually fairly good, but I will talk your fucking ear off.
That is Rory Culkin! I remember this episode.
Ah, yes, I knew it was a Culkin but wasn't sure of his name! Thanks!
I had no idea there was more than one Culkin kid.
I thought I recognised him as one of the Culkin brothers.
Yep definitely Rory Culkin.
@@stephenking5852 there's like 6 of them
@@Alsomnia 😮
Poor kid. I have mental health issues and it's hard enough for me as an adult. Can't imagine what he's going through.
Edit: Good Lord I understand this is an actor.
He’s not real
@@justinmoody9164I’m pretty sure they know that he’s not real and that this is just a show they’re saying that they feel bad for him and that it must’ve been hard for him and they couldn’t imagine what he’s going through they mean in the show
@@justinmoody9164 they know he’s not real, however, the time that they were writing the show the writers had a rule. The cases we saw had to be based on crimes, and or situations that had actually happened in the system. They also tried to focus on cases that weren’t on the beaten track. Sometimes it worked better than others but anyway. The point is that this was a debate that was happening at the time because we had a lot of kids being put on meds with no research as to whether or not the condition, warranted it, or what the side effects would be.
Are you okay?
@@justinmoody9164 the character is fake. The children who go through this every day are not.
“You gave it to your son so you could get to work on time?”
Holy strawman, Batman!
Yea Stabler isn’t too bright to begin with lol
@@doctorpostingtbh, which LEO is?
Seriously... Without that job, she can't keep a roof over his head, let alone therapy or meds or anything else. Gotta love judgment of the privileged ...
@@ChrisCosat
Mr. Monk.
Stabler is anything but privalaged though lol @@felisd
Why would she think if you use it it'll label the kid? If you don't tell people you are on a medication no one will know except doctors.
You're right, she should have consulted a doctor before giving her son medication, but I have sympathy for this mother. Her son's mental illness was about to get him expelled from school and she couldn't afford a real therapist, she was desperate.
Not quite! The Courts, lawyers and Govt’s can subpoena the medical records!
Not how that works. He would be “labeled” if he ever wanted to change schools or go into the army or some academic jobs. It is a consideration when diagnosing or prescribing children with stuff, it’s just that the negative effects of people finding out you have “a record” normally doesn’t heavily counter the positive effects of the treatment. But it’s not 100% private or 100% not punished. And at the end of the day, wouldn’t you want your doctor or your kid’s classmates to NOT be a person who took pills as a kid? Maybe you are accepting and open minded of mental health and medication, most people are not as forgiving.
This was recorded a long time ago. If probably would have labeled him. Kids in school are really cruel.
@@gilliantohver3225it will still label him...? See above comment. Military, schools, government jobs.
“I didn’t want him to get labeled.” Oh that ship had longed sailed
I remember. This is where they blamed the pharmaceutical company because the mother disregarded the instructions and gave her son a medicine that had been prescribed to her without ever telling her doctor. How that was anyone's fault but her own was never made clear. It was one of the reasons I stopped watching this show.
All excuses are all stupid bad excuses anyway ironically in this imperfect world
Because they sent it through the mail without a consultation, prescription or really any oversight in the matter at all.
I knew he was a Culkin as soon as I heard the voice, sounds just like his brother Macaulay!
Looks just like him too
Yes those eyes!!
he had another role here...the other role he played he was a a lapsing victim or ped -phile angry at his parent because they accepted hush money
As horrible as it is that the kid was mistreated due to his mental illness, he still murdered two kids. He needs to be held accountable for what he did, as well as the parents who put him there in the first place.
He was held accountable for that, he took a deal where he would get institutionalized so that he could be punished and get the help that he needed at the same time.
& the CEO of the company who provided the meds was arrested
@@joewhitehead3 those medications, when used properly, help many people live normal lives.
@@WouldntULikeToKnow. But the way he just handed them out to people who needed them was reckless & dangerous. Hence why one of his charges was reckless endangerment
@@WouldntULikeToKnow. When used properly are the operative words there. Sending them to people through the mail and hoping for the best might not be a great idea.
Everything aside who would give their child a PILL from the mail that they didn’t even order
A desperate one who just wanted to see her child get better. Plus everyone was telling her he should be on it
@@joewhitehead3 but giving your child a random pill that could be labeled anything from the mail is wrong. She didn’t order it, she didn’t know what it was, she’s not an expert. It could’ve been anything. You don’t do that.
@@cobbinator111 She knew what it was. She herself had taken it before. She just didn’t know how it would effect him
Everyone should know that if you have ANY medication that's not the over the counter stuff, it should be prescribed by the patient's doctor and the patient's doctor alone, not just a strong opinion
And you should read the label before mixing OTCs with one another or alcohol, and talk to a pharmacist before mixing OTCs or alcohol with your prescriptions.
Also, if you have known drug allergies, it’s worthwhile to ask “hey, I’m allergic to X, does that make it likely I’m allergic to New Prescription?”
That kid has an amazing art skill
Initial symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia.
RORY CULKIN MY MAN SLAYING AS ALWAYS 😊😊
So he IS a Culkin!!
I thought that was him with those Culkin eyes 😂❤
I know right this is the boy from the movie ring,, yes im asking because it's those eyes that caught my attention too
The lawyer interrogating him on the stand would probably be in a lot more trouble, given it had gotten to the point of outright badgering.
as someone who was diagnosed with adhd at the age of 3 back in the early 2000’s meds are a very VERY tricky subject. my parents couldn’t deal with me and my behavior but they never increased my dose past what was actually necessary. a lot of times especially with adhd parents think that a medicated kid who is full and quiet is the correct solution but it’s not. kids are not meant to be zombies.there is going to be impulsive and immature behavior for kids with adhd until they grow up no matter what meds you give them. sometimes you just gotta safely wait it out
edit: to clarify, i was diagnosed at a psychologists office multiple times. i wasn’t just answering simple yes or no questions i underwent several hours of neuropsychological testing (which can be very expensive so a lot of ppl are unable to get it done but it would help with the over diagnosis of adhd) so my situation is very different from a lot of people’s.
I agree. More isn't necessarily better. Every child is different. One of the major side effects of ADD or ADHD medications is the zombie like effect, and that is extremely concerning. Therapy, I think, should be the first line of defense if it is accessible and/or if the insurance will cover it. The therapist can make an assessment to see if medication along with psychotherapy would be a helpful tool. Everyone's financial situation is different. All these different factors are what make these situations so difficult and complex.
@@hydrangeas_lover exactly! medication is a perfectly viable solution for kids as long as they aren’t being OVER medicated. my adhd meds growing up helped me to focus but if i started to feel zombie like and dead my parents would drop the dose even if it was more convenient for them to have me wandering around like a robot. i never hated taking my meds bc they never put me on a dose high enough to affect my mental health state severely. i teach swim lessons to a kiddo with severe adhd and his parents don’t give it to him consistently and it’s also very obvious the dose is too high bc he’s told me on multiple occasions he hates taking it bc he feels robotic when he does. there’s a healthy balance to adhd meds for kids and finding a dose that allows a child to focus better while still being a child is so important. the impulse control and hyperactivity will get better over time but the meds are meant to treat the ability for a child to pay attention and retain important information, not turn them into little androids who go through the day in what is essentially a daze.
I would question a doctor's medical license that diagnosed a 3 year old with ADHD.
@@dsadik666 i was not medicated until the age of 5 but even to this day it’s very apparent i have adhd so the psychologists were indeed correct. i’m also a girl and it’s well known that girls with adhd tend to present differently and are underdiagnosed, mine was just so obvious and so severe that it was clear i had something wrong with me.
@@jayleighbear that's not helping the case much it would have to be ridiculously severe.
There's been many scandals with the American Health care.
The doctors they were getting Kickbacks and essentially bribes for prescribing those medicines this is how the opioid epidemic became a thing.
There needs to be more programs for kids who have mental health issues and to help them deal the issues and to get their parents more involved in those therapy sessions!
I get she's desperate, but did it not occur to her that the random package full of medicine could also be... i dont know... POISONOUS?!
That’s a good point actually, how does she know that it wasn’t the kind of pills that’ll- well you know having him pushing up daisies…
Plus how does the mother know that it was the supposed pills she was supposed to give to her son?
Not unless there’s a note attached to it.
I must have been extremely sheltered when I was growing up because I don't ever remember seeing any of my classmates acting like this or like the guys picking on him when I was in school. I got bullied on occasion but not to the point that these kids went to. It hurts my heart to think about this kind of stuff happening.
So between her son being labeled and committing murder which is better ? !
So basically she was worried about HER reputation for her child.. basically these shows are making me look a little bit more better then what I thought as a mother because I am definitely not a good parent / perfect
as bad as it is what the mom did that is how the system is they will throw you to the wolfs to keep there shyt from not stinking
what “system” lmao she got drugs illegally
Even if he does have a mental disorder, she should have took him to a doctor instead of trying to give him her own medications because it was doing more harm than good.
Maybe this boy should be placed in a mental hospital for this. Or maybe he can be in juvenile jail. He has to tell the truth, because lies won't help. That medication should've been banned from being given out.
He did go to a mental health facility in the end.
Doctor explaining why he tries not to prescribe is golden
I'm sick of people blaming these hard working single parents who are desperate for their children to get well. Elliot is a good man but he doesn't understand struggle of a sick child. Oh wait yes he does and he never even tried to help her.
On what episode? I would love to watch it. ( not being sarcastic)
@@brilissa1 the episode where we find out one of his daughters has a mental illness is called Swing.
It isn't easy to deal with troubled teenagers whenever they experience a lot of murder rampages in New York as seen on the episode, "Manic" from Law & Order SVU these days of play acting. OMG, actress Mare Winningham guest stars as Joe's mom in case you didn't know that.
Did the mom play in American horror story: Coven. As Kyle’s mom?
Loving these new uploads
That actress the mother is from Grey's Anatomy. I love actresses and other famous people were on SVU. Love ❤❤
Mare Winningham. *Wonderful* actress!
@@redlupo6193 Winningham was one of those actresses where you wondered, why weren't they in more stuff, bigger, more high profile roles and so on. Especially after her Academy Award nomination for "Georgia" (never knew she had such a great singing voice until then).
But then I found out how many children she'd had. So she's had a very good, consistent career considering all the times she's had to take long breaks in her career to give birth and take care of all those children. More than other careers, taking time off to raise kids can really disrupt and even kill your career.
I noticed too. As soon as I saw her in court in my head I said "It's Susan!" XD
😢This episode really mad me cry it's something about the way he asked for his pen 🖋 I felt that 😢
7 Jan 2024 I remember watching this wonderful show on TV Spellbinding! ❤❤
Every psych I've talked to says "meds don't fix the problems on its own." Ya gotta have some form of therapy as well. I'd say this is an extreme example of the consequences that could happen
Rory Culkin in The Good Son 2!
If only the counselling had been an option from the start, it could have saved so much grief.
That’s Charlie from Scream 4. I never knew his real name or who he was related to.
That’s where he’s from I couldn’t make it out lol
Macaulay Culkin is his brother
Funny thing is he became Ghostface in Scream 4
The Mom gave such a wrought performance. She is the best of us!
Charlie Walker from Scream 4 in his younger days
Not gonna lie that drawing goes hard af
That's Macaulay Culkin's brother.. it's amazing of how much they look alike.. unfortunately mental illness is a very real thing..
That poor boy he's very sick and he needs help
Guess no one wanted to mention that this was Rory Culkin who later starred in Swarm?
Joe got the mental help he needed. He then moved to Woodsboro, changed his name to Charlie, grew up into a well mannered teenager, put on a ghostface mask and proceeded to go on a murder spree with his partner Jill Roberts as seen in Scream 4
It's things like this that make me hate our medical insurance companies. Heaven forbid they pay for a safer alternative for a child.
The Pych doc was Cas on Days Of Our Lives, the Hope and Bo years. And Joe’s mother was in the movie, St. Elmo’s Fire; she had a crush on Rob Lowe’s character.
11:40 She's not wrong about that.
I agree, but honestly, who cares what a piece of paper says?? If your child needs help you help them. And then you teach them to have tough skin and to ignore the hate and backtalk from hypocrites.
@@leeammorris1268 it’s not about hate and back talk, it is about potentially being denied health insurance or a job based on health history. You have obviously not been in this situation; I have.
@@sdaiwepm
You appear to have missed the part where she says the school demanded he be medicated, which means they've ALREADY labeled him. No employer (or school) has access to your medical records. Societal labeling is rarely dependent upon medical records.
And for something like health insurance, the lack of a prescription isn't going to be of any benefit to someone who requires psychotherapy. Opting for therapy instead of meds doesn't change a diagnosis. With or without the prescription, his records will clearly indicate that he's mentally unwell & in need of ongoing treatment. And since therapy is far more costly than meds, it's also far more of a concern for insurance companies.
@@JJ-yc2sv school records are not part of the national medical records database the way that certain drug prescriptions are. Are you a bot?
@@sdaiwepmBut what about as a child? Can jobs look at your medical record from when you were a child to deny your jobs outside of the government jobs. No job I've ever had is ever asked to see my childhood medical records.
No wonder he grew up and became the Ghostface of Scream 4.
Lmao tv shows…she finds the gun 15 seconds into looking 😂
Fun fact, the boy in this episode is Rory Culkin, Macaulay Culkin’s little brother. When I first saw him I knew his face and voice seemed familiar lmao 😂
I cannot get over the fact that Joe's violent alter ego shares the same name as the fortune telling machine from Big, the Tom Hanks movie.
Did you cgi a tear when he was already crying or am I crazy
How did it end
I mean sure, hindsight 20/20. Buttttttttt, in her defense if there was no negative side effect nobody would know. That being said, there is almost always a negative side effect of some sort for those kind of drugs.
I more have issue with the fact she was giving her son drugs that had just shown up without her asking for them.
@@gregjenkinson7512exactly
Nope, it’s 100% on her. Why do you think we need to monitor our patients on their drug regimens?? She convinced a doc to write her a script, thinking she was the patient. Probably wrong dosage and everything because you need to know who is taking the medication you’re prescribing, their age, wt, medical history, etc. Any moron should know that.
I think in cases like this..finding those kids in thst warehouse,a female cop should approach those frightened kids
Great show guys!❤
Me, looking at the thumbnail: “ooh, that's a. Culkin”
Oop we got a culkin. That face is entirely too recognizable lol
Such trauma 😢
Yeah it the one who played in scream five who was in love with Kirby reed
Scream 4 and he also died
This hits close to home.
this kids no older then 12, maybe 11 at max, poor kid
Which Culkin is this? Kieran or the younger one?
Rory, the youngest
Charlie walker 😮😮😮never knew he was in a episode
This is giving demon possession
Do anti depressants cause homicidal episodes? I’ve heard of them causing suicidal ideation in teens but not violence
Most likely they used the wrong pills to calm down his schizophrenia
prozac has done it before in kids
It's well known that any psych med has such potential.
Psych meds are extremely risky, as not enough is known about how they work.
Psych meds can cause both, especially in kids and teens.
No lol
Some hella good acting from Rory Culkin. I think at 5:51 was when the medication wore off
Is that one of the Culkin?
Mhm, it’s Rory Culkin!
Two days ago, a fourteen year old killed two teachers and two students in a Georgia high school. Additionally, he wounded nine others. It is claimed he has "mental issues". The weapon is similar to an AR rifle. A Christmas gift from his father last year AFTER his son was interviewed by the FBI due to online threats where linked to him. The FBI was unable to corroborate the allegations.
The student left his classroom. He then attempted to reenter the classroom. But, when another student got up to open the door, they saw the weapon. It is thought he planned to shoot his own classroom.
He was to be tried as an adult. However, at his arraignment today, the Judge stated he will not be tried as an adult and the death penalty will not be considered.
For anyone wondering HNT stands for Hostage Negotiation Team
What an awesome child actor.
LMAOOO I thought that was maculay in the thumbnail but I was close, its his brother
In the Wise words of Dhar mann: "Just Because something looks expensive, Doesn't mean it's good"
I love this show
not a bulletproof vest in sight 🙃🙃🙃
Or gloves when touching ANYTHING at a crime scene.
Bro looks and sounds like home alone guy.
Does nobody really question where this little boy got the gun?
Culkins have the acting bug
& a possessive controlling father
@joewhitehead3 I never said it didn't eff them up...
... An adult-portioned dose of a med not prescribed to the child. What could possibly go wrong with that?
This kid is now a famous actor,he must be elderly now
But he stayed in acting,ive sern him in a few films
Zoltar is the name of a villain in an Americanized Japanese anime, American version was “Battle of the Planets” .
What kind of idiot gives their child pills that aren’t prescribed specifically to the child?
Because giving an ADULT psychiatric medication in ADULT dosages to a minor is such a brilliant idea. Of course, a desperate mother with no exposure to medical facts wouldn't know that, so the real responsible party is that idiot doctor who sent it to her.
A broken and unwanted woman raising a broken and unwanted kid. Sad
And the man who left them. Don't forget him.
Plot twist. Zoltar was real and all the detectives are eliminated
Hi, Zoltar here
Ignore this boy I’m definitely not going to kill you
I promise 😈
And this kid would grow up to be a ghostface!
Joe is a sociopath
Spoilers plz
Darth Vader is Lukes father.
Norman Bates is the murderer.
Rosebud is a sledge.
@@MB-yk1qk stop that. You are being very annoying. That has nothing to do with Law and Order.
😅😂😅😅😅😅
This is season 5 episode 2 Manic, if you go to the Law and Order Wiki you can read the plot
@@MB-yk1qk 😂
If those kids parents had raised them better they might still be alive.
Yeah that’s about right