Thermoelectric Cooling is a Bad Idea

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  • @ElectroBOOM
    @ElectroBOOM 5 лет назад +2512

    Hey no fair! You did a Thermoelectric video too! Well at least they are a bit different!

    • @subscribeordiefukyou
      @subscribeordiefukyou 5 лет назад +107

      My associate, would you please be kind enough to ship a Circuit Specialists Inductance-Capacitance-Resistance multimeter to Latvian region?
      In other words: GIMME DA MEETAAA!!!!

    • @xiidraco
      @xiidraco 5 лет назад +85

      I actually came here from your video! XD

    • @kurdishpotato1707
      @kurdishpotato1707 5 лет назад +14

      @@xiidraco yea lol me too

    • @protogenxl
      @protogenxl 5 лет назад +2

      you should try to adapt a liquid desiccant cooler ruclips.net/video/R_g4nT4a28U/видео.html

    • @DanielLopez-up6os
      @DanielLopez-up6os 5 лет назад

      lel.

  • @Timocracy
    @Timocracy 5 лет назад +1374

    "Bad Cooling Ideas"
    Whole Room Water-Cooling 2 confirmed.

    • @Snadzies
      @Snadzies 5 лет назад +18

      Scrolled down looking for this comment.
      Was not disappointed.

    • @benjaminperry941
      @benjaminperry941 5 лет назад +40

      Do you think if he does it again he will be smart enough not to use bare copper tube in the room he is trying to remove heat from?

    • @wobblysauce
      @wobblysauce 5 лет назад +4

      Room cooling was good, just the implementation fo it, number of little things added to it not working as expected.

    • @jayson2739
      @jayson2739 5 лет назад +6

      Whole room water cooling. In the server room! Whole server room water cooling!

    • @SketchbookGuitar
      @SketchbookGuitar 5 лет назад

      Whole room PET cooling 1.0 Alpha build.

  • @dumpsterdawg
    @dumpsterdawg 5 лет назад +475

    Dad: What would you like for Christmas? Son: A Dragon! Dad: Be realistic.
    Son: Okay, how about part 2 of Linus Tech Tips 10 Years of Gaming PCs.
    Dad: And what color would you like that dragon?

  • @MrElectron
    @MrElectron 5 лет назад +263

    Yeah ! More than half the power is wasted in Heat

  • @erikwithak6555
    @erikwithak6555 5 лет назад +1586

    “But what’s even cooler!”
    *gets ready for sponsor*
    “Are these coolers”
    Me: What?

    • @mdante6236
      @mdante6236 5 лет назад +75

      i literally double tapped my screen to skip at that part

    • @firefly2472
      @firefly2472 5 лет назад +4

      Yupp me to 😅

    • @CosmicCleric
      @CosmicCleric 5 лет назад +3

      @@mdante6236 Yep, pavlovian dogged it as well.

    • @psider1522
      @psider1522 5 лет назад +3

      need a Linus Tech Tips plugin which automatically skips all sponsorships

    • @bandario
      @bandario 5 лет назад +6

      @@psider1522 Are you willing to pay a fee to keep watching LTT? Because that's how you end up there.

  • @tzxazrael
    @tzxazrael 5 лет назад +297

    32 amps... lmfao...
    "Ok alex, fire it up!"
    (kerchunk)
    (sudden random shouting throughout the offices as power breakers are tripped)

    • @vyvianalcott1681
      @vyvianalcott1681 5 лет назад +5

      I thought the same, talk about energy efficient that's almost 10x the draw of the rest of the computer! And it probably still won't be enough, it's like launching a rocket; you need more energy to dissipate the energy it uses, then you need more energy to dissipate that energy.

    • @jetjazz05
      @jetjazz05 5 лет назад +43

      32 amps... at 12 volts, so... 3.2 wall amps. A typical home outlet can handle 15, some 20.

    • @UltraNoobian
      @UltraNoobian 5 лет назад +6

      @@jetjazz05 That's still a significant 384 watts consumed regardless of voltage. I can't imagine my fans using ~380 Watts to cool my computer.

    • @jetjazz05
      @jetjazz05 5 лет назад +13

      @@UltraNoobian Sure, no doubt, it's a ridiculous amount. Really nothing uses that much power besides like a fully operating entertainment system, a computer, some power tools. I've got a fan that uses 384 watts, it can pull all the air out of a 12x14 room in a matter of seconds, so for that to be just a very poor quality cooler... nah. Would probably be more energy efficient to use an ACTUAL FRIDGE with a huge spool of tubing in it lol.

    • @1234567890CAB
      @1234567890CAB 5 лет назад +2

      Watts = Volts × Amps
      Anyway the reason it needs to draw so much is because it is actually working as a heat pump. Basically all refrigeration are heat pumps where heat is being pulled out of a low energy state (your cold food or room) and being "pumped" up and out into a higher energy state (ambient external air). But in order to do that the pump needs to be powered with equal the amout of energy being moved plus efficiency losses. So if the CPU is consuming 100W a perfect refrigeration system that's 100% efficient would have to consume 100W to bring the CPU back to ambient temperature and even more to get it below ambient.

  • @flamingkillermc2806
    @flamingkillermc2806 5 лет назад +724

    Everyone gangsta till Linus finds a liquid nitrogen cooler

  • @johnjonjhonjonathanjohnson3559
    @johnjonjhonjonathanjohnson3559 4 года назад +237

    people will see the decibels and think "wow its half as loud as a jet"

    • @KatieTheDev
      @KatieTheDev 4 года назад +18

      Isn't it a logarithmic scale

    • @Sam-cp6so
      @Sam-cp6so 4 года назад +43

      @@KatieTheDev
      technically Bels are the log 10 scale, and deciBels are 1/10 units of that scale.
      For anyone curious, Bell used these units because sound and other forces move through a 3 dimension space with power equal to the inverse square of the distance from origin, so doubling the distance would be 1/4 the power. The logarithmic scale also better represents our sensory perception of sound

    • @brandondallaire
      @brandondallaire 3 года назад

      @@KatieTheDev Yes

    • @alslaboratory570
      @alslaboratory570 3 года назад +5

      @@Sam-cp6so Wikipedia copy pasta

    • @axelkusanagi4139
      @axelkusanagi4139 2 года назад +1

      @@alslaboratory570 at least he read it. OP didn't.

  • @TheDeathskull37
    @TheDeathskull37 5 лет назад +223

    Edit: LMG, please read and try this
    Try running them as a supplement to the radiator! Connect them after the radiator to see if you can get an extra boost in cooling compared to a standard water cooling set up!!!

    • @TheVillainOfTheYear
      @TheVillainOfTheYear 5 лет назад +7

      Stick one in a reservoir

    • @testjeaapiel9707
      @testjeaapiel9707 5 лет назад +7

      ​@@TheVillainOfTheYear one of the flat sides of the peltier needs to be not in contact with the reservoir for it to work. simply putting it in, keep all the heat in the liquid and adding some because the wattage of the peltier itself.

    • @rplore1920
      @rplore1920 5 лет назад +5

      Yes PLZ Firts a radiator and than a Peltier element wound be awsome! and might even be the first "good" Bad cooling idear.

    • @TheVillainOfTheYear
      @TheVillainOfTheYear 5 лет назад +1

      @@testjeaapiel9707 have in flow on that water block go into the Peltier and the out flow for into the res.

    • @TheDeathskull37
      @TheDeathskull37 5 лет назад +2

      I think just running one of those aquarium coolers after the radiator would suffice. Putting a peltier into the reservoir would add complications. It may be better for space. But it's not necessary for a proof of concept. Something custom would have to be designed and possibly 3D printed in order for that to work. For a commercial product, (assuming a peltier helps) it would sound like a good idea though.

  • @siem8254
    @siem8254 5 лет назад +1671

    PLEASE stop working with vincero watches. There watches are cheap made and crappy. It's almost a scam for way they cost. Please stop Linus please.

    • @PixelVogue
      @PixelVogue 5 лет назад +127

      Just like MVMT and Daniel Wellintwat

    • @builderphill1361
      @builderphill1361 5 лет назад +56

      But he wants money

    • @mohamedkhan5207
      @mohamedkhan5207 5 лет назад +154

      Siem dude that was kinda my exact comment, nice to scroll n see someone else thinks the same. Those watches are ridiculously overpriced. Literally it’s a $20 quality watch max selling at over $200 bucks. It’s a crazy scam and ppl falling for it because trusted channels like these guys promote it. Kinda shitty thing to do just to make a buck man.

    • @leon81061
      @leon81061 5 лет назад +58

      @mohamed khan not even 20 Dollars... You can buy some of the watches on wish and other china trash websites for 5$ or less... Absolute Trash.
      And no, its not "almost" scam, it IS SCAM

    • @CyberTechInc2014
      @CyberTechInc2014 5 лет назад +64

      @@mohamedkhan5207 This comment chain describes Apple well

  • @dazley8021
    @dazley8021 5 лет назад +436

    When your PC cooling requires it's own miniature power plant just to keep the CPU at sub ambient temps.

    • @obliviouz
      @obliviouz 5 лет назад +5

      But how do you cool the power plant...?

    • @dazley8021
      @dazley8021 5 лет назад +7

      @@obliviouz This is a computer tech channel, not a science channel. ;D
      We're talking about Linus, not Cody or Tom Scott.

    • @louiesatterwhite3885
      @louiesatterwhite3885 2 года назад +1

      @@obliviouz typically water

    • @LunarMartin
      @LunarMartin 2 года назад +1

      @@obliviouz air

    • @5226-p1e
      @5226-p1e 2 года назад +1

      it's too bad you can't turn your pc into the powerplant because it gives off so much consistent heat. unless this tech exists and i just have no clue because i'm a noob at this stuff?
      anyone have a clue if something like this exists?

  • @Knight3191
    @Knight3191 3 года назад +170

    Sounds like we're revisiting this from the "The Fastest Gaming PC in the World! ...For now" video.

  • @stickinthemud23
    @stickinthemud23 5 лет назад +320

    "In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"

    • @ElGeFe
      @ElGeFe 5 лет назад +7

      my favorite Homer quote

    • @BetterDeadThanRed99
      @BetterDeadThanRed99 4 года назад +1

      No, not really. More like obey the laws of human stupidity...

    • @flazzorb
      @flazzorb 2 года назад +2

      _Unballanced wheel stops spinning._

    • @DarkDay2012
      @DarkDay2012 2 года назад +1

      But if you had the choice...

    • @gmosphere
      @gmosphere 2 года назад +2

      @@BetterDeadThanRed99 well things getting more chaotic over time is both true for thermo dynamics and human stupidity

  • @ア尺ノムリ丂
    @ア尺ノムリ丂 5 лет назад +424

    0:50 who else thought he was going to say "But what's even cooler, is today's video sponsor" lol

    • @DaarthPingas
      @DaarthPingas 5 лет назад +7

      i hit right the usual 5-6 times expecting the intro but i just missed content lmao

    • @kepler656
      @kepler656 5 лет назад

      Yiff kinkdom

    • @DaarthPingas
      @DaarthPingas 5 лет назад

      @@kepler656 how you know me broh

  • @Fatty420
    @Fatty420 5 лет назад +150

    "Magic is not real."
    Says a man who was at some point in his life cursed to drop anything and everything.

    • @xb360t
      @xb360t 5 лет назад +2

      Fatty Corpuscle wait if your peter and im peter than who’s the real peter....

    • @ivanshen7263
      @ivanshen7263 5 лет назад +4

      Except his balls

    • @doctahjonez
      @doctahjonez 5 лет назад

      @@ivanshen7263 Got em.

    • @deusexaethera
      @deusexaethera 5 лет назад

      That's not magic, that's luck. Luck is totally real. Magic is fantasy, luck is statistics.

  • @radicalxedward8047
    @radicalxedward8047 4 года назад +47

    On my MacBook Pro laughing at Linus’ reaction to a 100°C+ core temp as I burn my nuts.

    • @chrisb9143
      @chrisb9143 3 года назад

      "Weakness disgust me"

  • @vaghatz
    @vaghatz 5 лет назад +191

    That was not fair, the traditional watercooling solution had RBG fans while the peltier on had non-RGB. Everybody knows that RGB boosts cooling up to 50%

    • @haitebodesu
      @haitebodesu 5 лет назад +29

      It also increases framerates and improves hand-eye coordination, reaction time, and basic pattern recognition skills.

    • @codname125
      @codname125 5 лет назад +23

      RGB also enables the ability to download free ram and drive storage

    • @harryloveland2748
      @harryloveland2748 5 лет назад +10

      @@tgreaux5027 ok just letting you know that there is no such thing as RGB envy broski. My £12 mouse has rgb. Bruh moment

    • @barrettabney
      @barrettabney 5 лет назад +1

      Best troll reply of the day. Well done, sir. Thank you for the giggles.

    • @s71402san
      @s71402san 2 года назад

      I don't get your jokes. It's just more load.

  • @andrewvanderschaaf2967
    @andrewvanderschaaf2967 5 лет назад +359

    Bad Cooling Ideas : Using a sterling engine hooked up to a motor to pump the heat out of the CPU.

    • @aaronstevers5015
      @aaronstevers5015 5 лет назад +11

      Andrew Vanderschaaf lindybeige turn you on to the sterling engine?

    • @gunslingerspartan
      @gunslingerspartan 5 лет назад +13

      Stirling engine*

    • @reeceguisse17
      @reeceguisse17 5 лет назад +24

      Use the heat differential generated by the CPU to run the Sterling Engine to pump the water to cool the CPU. It's perpetual genius!

    • @c182SkylaneRG
      @c182SkylaneRG 5 лет назад +10

      @@reeceguisse17 If you can engineer that, that might just work, too. Because it's not "perpetual". There's a definite energy in/out, of the power into the CPU, and the heat out of the heat exchanger.

    • @douglascostapinheiro4642
      @douglascostapinheiro4642 5 лет назад +3

      If you're going to use a sterling engine, you'd have to thank God for it.

  • @p3chv0gel22
    @p3chv0gel22 5 лет назад +306

    I think Der8auer build a chiller out of 12 TECs a few months ago

    • @Pwnstared
      @Pwnstared 5 лет назад +6

      Wow, think of how much power that required.

    • @p3chv0gel22
      @p3chv0gel22 5 лет назад +2

      @@Pwnstared i think it were a few hundred watts

    • @rusTORK
      @rusTORK 5 лет назад +5

      He also tested it directly on CPU. Very old video. It will work, but problem still the same - it's need more power.

    • @shadowr2d2
      @shadowr2d2 5 лет назад +7

      Der8auer made 2 videos on this. The second video was an update. But it was not too successful. But hay just like everyone. The more Tech Ideas. The better for the Tech Community.

    • @p3chv0gel22
      @p3chv0gel22 5 лет назад +6

      @@rusTORK i don't think 3 or 11 Months are “very old“ but ok

  • @tommysalami6301
    @tommysalami6301 3 года назад +50

    Who’s here after 2020 fastest gaming PC video ?

    • @Paulkjoss
      @Paulkjoss 3 года назад

      I am 😆

    • @Paulkjoss
      @Paulkjoss 3 года назад

      Weird seeing Linus without a beard again XD

    • @israeldelarosa5461
      @israeldelarosa5461 3 года назад

      I'm coming from his Water Cooled Chair video

  • @animalhouse2720
    @animalhouse2720 5 лет назад +245

    4:01 *linus pretends to tighten screw while alex looks worried that screw is not tightening*

    • @polychoron
      @polychoron 5 лет назад +3

      Assistant has a name... of some sort. Alex? At least I tried. It's important to try. People are real people, should be honored as such.

    • @animalhouse2720
      @animalhouse2720 5 лет назад +7

      Zebulon Virginia It was spur of the moment, could not recall his name and didn’t want to lose the content

    • @Smalkey
      @Smalkey 5 лет назад +1

      I feel like Alex never reads a script or planning

  • @ModeratelyJoe
    @ModeratelyJoe 5 лет назад +344

    Linus going for the party in back look.

    • @dolmiominmio1776
      @dolmiominmio1776 5 лет назад

      whats wrong with that?

    • @blue7081
      @blue7081 5 лет назад +12

      @@dolmiominmio1776 Everything

    • @rxallan20
      @rxallan20 5 лет назад +2

      At least he isn't wearing a sideways hat again. I couldn't even watch that video

    • @snjvbss
      @snjvbss 5 лет назад

      @@rxallan20 I don't know about that look and I'm glad I don't

  • @AmountStax
    @AmountStax 5 лет назад +86

    6:49 wanna congratulate Linus on keeping that yawn back.

  • @metaleater9
    @metaleater9 4 года назад +5

    Back in the day Corsair made a TEC water block for ram which is actually practical as ram doesn't make enough heat to overwhelm the TEC but is temperature sensitive enough to benefit from superior cooling from a TEC.

  • @alexheinz6326
    @alexheinz6326 5 лет назад +758

    Bad Cooling Idea:
    Custom Watercooler filled with thermal paste.

    • @foundation8034
      @foundation8034 5 лет назад +25

      YES!

    • @ChucksSEADnDEAD
      @ChucksSEADnDEAD 5 лет назад +30

      liquid metal lol ruclips.net/video/XqvBLBlzeNQ/видео.html
      headphone warning and speaker warning too - skip the first 35 seconds because intro song is complete earrape

    • @wu1ming9shi
      @wu1ming9shi 5 лет назад +11

      But that's not water anymore...right?

    • @RomanSilva21
      @RomanSilva21 5 лет назад +3

      @@wu1ming9shi my thoughts exactly

    • @Game99Boss
      @Game99Boss 5 лет назад +2

      You'd need a 100,000 RPM pump or something lol

  • @billsenapati8427
    @billsenapati8427 5 лет назад +96

    I worked in a lab for two summers working on thermoelectric materials with heating and cooling.
    I am currently sitting here cringing through the entire video.

    • @magnusclemmensen9336
      @magnusclemmensen9336 5 лет назад +2

      why would someone make this product?!? I mean, with Sony's aircondition does it make some what sense. But this? cringing with you body.

    • @LinusTechTips
      @LinusTechTips  5 лет назад +27

      Us too :p

    • @MaxUgly
      @MaxUgly 5 лет назад

      ​@@LinusTechTips It was entertaining!

    • @definty
      @definty 5 лет назад

      How would you make it?

    • @th3narrat0r5
      @th3narrat0r5 5 лет назад

      definty you wouldnt

  • @victornpb
    @victornpb 5 лет назад +185

    If you use a 300W peltier on a 100W cpu now you have to dissipate 400W. That's why it will always be unpractical.

    • @MechanicaMenace
      @MechanicaMenace 5 лет назад +7

      It's impractical, but if you're into xoc it's impractical anyway.

    • @phantombitly
      @phantombitly 5 лет назад +14

      @@Daniel-ub7ueI think that the peltier module just transfers the heat elsewhere using electricity, but at the same time the energy it's using also generates heat

    • @gileee
      @gileee 5 лет назад +2

      @@phantombitly It works by having two plates. One of which is hot, and the other cold. If you bring electricity into the system the plates get hot/cold. Otherwise is you heat up one plate, and cool the other, it generates electricity.

    • @damnlogin
      @damnlogin 5 лет назад

      @@phantombitly somewhat right. When you add power the Peltier module absorbs hear from one side making the other side cold. Cold enough to instantly freeze a drop off water with a 9v battery. They use these in hot/cold water dispensers, mini refrigerators etc etc

    • @wiyandriluwisto3973
      @wiyandriluwisto3973 5 лет назад +1

      @@Daniel-ub7ue that wattage is not removing heat, one of the laws of energy is that energy cannot be destroyed nor created,peltier works by creating a difference between the plate using the energy,after that the energy become waste energy (heat)

  • @wannabehuman.production
    @wannabehuman.production 3 года назад +32

    I came here because of the new MYSTERY EK COOLER in the fastest pc in the world which is obviously a mix between a normal liquid cooler + a peltier cooler.

  • @Bobbymaster987
    @Bobbymaster987 5 лет назад +190

    Hey,
    So I have been messing around with TECs for the last 2 months in my spare time and I have found that "overclocking" (overvolting) the Laird Thermal Systems ET15,24,F2,5252,TA,RT,W6 which is purchasable on digikey for about 60 CAD to around 46v which I found was best for directly cooling a cpu. The power consumption was nearing 900w but with 2 360mm radiators and the water temperature around 30C, I was able to cool i7 940 (yeah I not gonna use this on anything too new) at 4.4ghz at 1.43v while remaining sub ambient. I have already built a few peltier prototypes and I live in Coquitlam, BC so if you would like I can bring them if you would like to explore TECs further because its actually pretty fun for a silent subzero fun time.

    • @danieltanuwijaya7675
      @danieltanuwijaya7675 5 лет назад +30

      Electricity Bill:
      *Allow us to introduce ourself*

    • @eddiemuller3157
      @eddiemuller3157 5 лет назад +4

      I built, and still have, my TEC Swiftech waterblock like what was mentioned in the video that I paired up to my Core 2 Duo E6600. It was backed by a 3 120mm fan radiator and definitely got the job done under load never getting to above 80F/26C. The problem was when the CPU idled, the temperatures would drop to about -16C(!!) and I could never insulate my board well enough to prevent condensation from forming.
      I don't have it hooked up to anything anymore, but it's a pretty cool trick to show people how fast it'll freeze a wet paper towel.

    • @TheOriginalEviltech
      @TheOriginalEviltech 5 лет назад

      @@eddiemuller3157 Just add a thermal controller to turn on and off the peltier and keep it at 26C

    • @cbale2000
      @cbale2000 5 лет назад +4

      @hardware fanboi When you care about CPU temperatures but not electricity costs.

    • @danyCD17
      @danyCD17 5 лет назад +1

      Linus has to see this, it would be a great video

  • @thomashuang5053
    @thomashuang5053 5 лет назад +314

    It's just as dumb as gold plated fiber optic cables
    Cough, looking at you, toslink cables

    • @GreenAppelPie
      @GreenAppelPie 5 лет назад +16

      Thomas Huang LOL is that so they conduct electricity better?

    • @ngoquang2708
      @ngoquang2708 5 лет назад +71

      TechnologyConnections subscriber spotted

    • @hotzi9288
      @hotzi9288 5 лет назад +9

      Please tell me this doesn't exist. This would be even below protecting one´s signal from earth gnomes.

    • @SkeletonGuts
      @SkeletonGuts 5 лет назад +7

      @@hotzi9288 they do exist, search toslink on Amazon and plenty of them are gold plated.

    • @KyBr2000
      @KyBr2000 5 лет назад +14

      @@gameconsole9890 Go back to your cave and write an essay on proper application of lame memes.

  • @imholdenonarope
    @imholdenonarope 5 лет назад +109

    Linus "Thermoelectric cooling is a bad idea"
    Also Linus "Cooling with concrete kinda works!"

    • @JavierBacon
      @JavierBacon 5 лет назад +9

      Yeah that was April 1 tho wasn't it?

    • @tankermottind
      @tankermottind 4 года назад +1

      Like cooling with concrete, it kind of works, and like concrete, it's a bad idea. I hope you aspire to higher standards than "kind of works" in your PC builds.

    • @ayylmao5955
      @ayylmao5955 4 года назад

      @@tankermottind shut the fuck up

    • @hs_doubbing
      @hs_doubbing 4 года назад +1

      @@ayylmao5955 Sheesh. Who hurt you?

    • @ayylmao5955
      @ayylmao5955 4 года назад

      @@hs_doubbing you shut the fuck up too

  • @Frenotx
    @Frenotx 3 года назад +12

    I had a CoolIt! cooler (whatever their higher end one was called) back in the day. The design was quite different from this; it was effectively an AiO cooler that had TECs between the loop and the radiator. Worked quite well for several years, up to the point that I ultimately had a pump failure.

    • @brandonroeder2461
      @brandonroeder2461 Год назад

      The pumps always fail on these units. Im still using a modified FreezeOne that works on modern cpus. Replace the pump, the fan ( 120mm mod ) and the block and you have a great cooler. I ended up replacing the lines with Tygon chemical grade tubing for longevity. For even safer cooling, cover the resevoirs with closed-cell padding to avoid condensation.

  • @dwirandypradhika6752
    @dwirandypradhika6752 5 лет назад +231

    Next, try a TEC and a radiator in series, because science.

    • @4.0.4
      @4.0.4 5 лет назад +11

      First the radiator hopefully (to bring temps down to nearly ambient, then sub-ambient, so that the CPU is just a bit higher than ambient).

    • @Porama6400
      @Porama6400 5 лет назад +4

      Yea, Please do that :)

    • @TheRealBadFox
      @TheRealBadFox 5 лет назад +5

      doooo iìiiiiiittttt Linus! Alex must put this together! who cares if it consumes 32 amps or 3000 watts, we need to see this!

    • @davkdavk
      @davkdavk 5 лет назад +6

      Yeah . Too many tech channels set things up to fail. Id like to see what it would take to make TEC viable on modern CPUs . Well i know how id do it, i just want to see others use their brains

    • @celeritas5k
      @celeritas5k 5 лет назад +1

      Something I figured out when I built a pretty decent custom loop with 2 GPUs, a CPU, 2 rads, and 4 inline thermometers in different places: Loop order doesn't matter. At all. No matter how I loaded the system or ran the fans, all 4 thermometers were always within ~.1C of each other. Sure, the whole loop temperature would move up and down with system load and fan speed, but all of them would move together.
      So yeah, loop order doesn't matter.

  • @Codexionyx101
    @Codexionyx101 5 лет назад +115

    At least you can use this to get free water from air.
    Oh wait...

    • @toaruScar
      @toaruScar 5 лет назад +7

      Fontus intensifies

    • @jacoby6000
      @jacoby6000 5 лет назад

      lmfao

    • @bubbydabeast4253
      @bubbydabeast4253 5 лет назад +4

      Buy our new LTT water bottle with including non drinkable water

    • @Nirofix
      @Nirofix 5 лет назад

      Nestlé dislikes this

    • @deusexaethera
      @deusexaethera 5 лет назад +1

      Free with purchase of hundreds of watt-hours of electricity.

  • @basshead.
    @basshead. 5 лет назад +47

    You guys should make a PC themed p0rn called ''Hot Motherboards Get RAMmed''.

    • @feraltrafficcone4483
      @feraltrafficcone4483 5 лет назад +2

      basshead I hate that but I love that at the same time.

    • @themerovingian4252
      @themerovingian4252 5 лет назад

      Linus has sucked so much dong its not even funny

    • @p3chv0gel22
      @p3chv0gel22 5 лет назад +1

      Hot GPU gets taken apart and got thermal goop all over it

    • @jasongooden917
      @jasongooden917 5 лет назад

      Chip’s day with his fans

  • @altafjasnaik6258
    @altafjasnaik6258 3 года назад +27

    Who came here after 5.7Ghz 10900k?

    • @flowmastaflam
      @flowmastaflam 3 года назад

      hopefully you realize why this video doesn't apply to what you're looking for

    • @louistournas120
      @louistournas120 3 года назад

      I think you need to look for some LN2 or liquid helium cooled CPUs. However, I don't recall anyone doing that to a GPU.

  • @ShroudedWolf51
    @ShroudedWolf51 5 лет назад +105

    ....jesus. That Peltier you ordered draws more power than my entire machine. And, I run an overclocked Vega64. Thefuck.

    • @theunholybakery1990
      @theunholybakery1990 5 лет назад +16

      *Laughs in r9 295x2*

    • @SianaGearz
      @SianaGearz 5 лет назад +5

      I had a machine where i measured well over 500W consumption at one time - overclocked Phenom II x6, GTX295, somewhat inefficient power supply.
      I should actually measure my current machine, which is still the same Phenom II X6, still the same Bronze class power supply, but the GPU is now GTX970 with a good bit of an overclock, which shouldn't actually be THAT bad. A coarse estimate told me i can expect 175W out of the CPU package on my current overclock. I think i can do more than 300W at least.

    • @technologyanimals
      @technologyanimals 5 лет назад +2

      @@SianaGearz Some brave people out there still running Phenom II's

    • @SianaGearz
      @SianaGearz 5 лет назад +1

      ​@@technologyanimals Yeah well certainly not brave, broke and indecisive. Phenom II is no longer fully usable. While the performance is still borderline tolerable (but it's been 9 years since it used to be a high-end CPU), the compatibility plain isn't, newer software frequently demands SSE4.2 or SSE3S and those are left missing from the CPU.
      But i paid mere 110€ for the CPU new from a store, and it served a fair good while. There was a time a few months ago when all the stores were dumping their FX-series stock and i could get something like an FX-8350 for 70€, but those are gone now, now you'd have to pay silly prices on the used market, completely indefensible. Will be considering a full system rebuild with an older-gen Ryzen. Alternatively i could snatch up a cheap FX-6300 or something - while the performance is likely to be a wash, at least the compatibility would be better and i can probably limit the power draw quite a bit.
      I am awaiting delivery of Shenmue 3 and i'll probably be interested in CP2077 and probably Watch_Dogs Legion. Then again i won't pay full price for Legion so that'll have to wait a year anyway. Legion won't run on the Phenom, if all the last year's Ubi releases are anything to go by, and a severe suspicion that Shenmue 3 and CP2077 won't either.

    • @technologyanimals
      @technologyanimals 5 лет назад +1

      @@SianaGearz I do most of my daily tasks on a pentium n5000 14" laptop, so it's not like you always need the best of the best.

  • @deusexaethera
    @deusexaethera 5 лет назад +287

    The most badass CPU cooling system I ever saw was a copper pipe welded to a copper plate, insulated with foam, and filled with liquid nitrogen, for the ultimate ridiculawesome evaporative cooler of all time.

    • @jackhemsworth7515
      @jackhemsworth7515 5 лет назад +40

      People use those things to set overclocking records. It really is nuts. However liquid nitrogen, without some way of returning it to liquid form continuously, isn't a long term solution

    • @x3roxide
      @x3roxide 5 лет назад +21

      crazy stuff.
      I also love the immersion cooling solutions by 3m that have come out recently... i think it's called novec. basically looks like a pc submerged in a liquid that's boiling. By following all the bubbles, you can see all the hot spots on the cpu/gpu and memory.

    • @iceguy9723
      @iceguy9723 5 лет назад +31

      Don't ignore those who immerse the entire motherboard in oil.

    • @E1nsty
      @E1nsty 5 лет назад +8

      @@jackhemsworth7515 At that point you should just stick the whole rig into an oil filled industrial freezer

    • @danielmorton1606
      @danielmorton1606 5 лет назад +5

      ​@@jackhemsworth7515 It is also used for quantum systems and magnets. Generally, you simply feed liquid nitrogen into the system and exchange Dewers as they empty. Liquid Nitrogen is actually cheaper than milk per liter, but is a terrible idea for cooling as it is an expensive hazard to the computers.

  • @DoggoInYourWalls
    @DoggoInYourWalls 5 лет назад +25

    16:29 *drops bench*
    His face: That was worse than expected, hopefully linus doesn´t...

  • @raphaelsainte-claire4861
    @raphaelsainte-claire4861 5 лет назад +14

    people were trying to use Peltier heat pumps 20 years ago for PC cooling.
    It didnt take off then either.

    • @robertsneddon731
      @robertsneddon731 5 лет назад +2

      I used Peltier cooling on a dual PII (300MHz) machine about 25 years ago. I've still got the coolers (60W each IIRC) and heatsinks in a box somewhere. They were better than stock fan cooling but not by much and the current draw for the Peltier devices was a problem for the wimpy PSUs of the day.

    • @raphaelsainte-claire4861
      @raphaelsainte-claire4861 5 лет назад

      @@robertsneddon731 that sounds about right.
      I had one for an AMD K6-2, I think, might have been a K6-3. Got it from Maplin.
      Never really impressed me much so went back to an OG fan.

    • @denniero6904
      @denniero6904 4 года назад

      @Heads Mess 7:30 it shuts down at room temperature.

  • @MostlyPennyCat
    @MostlyPennyCat 5 лет назад +129

    Naw, it's awesome!
    I remember when people TEC cooled Celeron 400s...

    • @thoughtlesskills
      @thoughtlesskills 5 лет назад +4

      I almost miss my dualie Celerons...

    • @patrickwatkins7572
      @patrickwatkins7572 5 лет назад +4

      @@thoughtlesskills i miss microsoft internet explorer & my 300a .... and interstate 76 !!@$

    • @gaptoofgranny
      @gaptoofgranny 5 лет назад +6

      Those were the days.

    • @kstricl
      @kstricl 5 лет назад +7

      I tried that... only time I ever actually cooked a cpu, glad it was just a celeron. Lesson is: don't put the TEC directly on a chip without an IHS.

    • @kchimusaru
      @kchimusaru 5 лет назад +1

      ruclips.net/video/T87tqpNkI18/видео.html My Peltier cooled PC

  • @saltysteel3996
    @saltysteel3996 5 лет назад +203

    Ok, Linus and ElectroBoom both have a thermoelectric cooling video out within 24 hours of each other. Strange...

    • @ticTHEhero
      @ticTHEhero 5 лет назад +6

      But Mehdi is a bit "nerder" therefore no use for 99% of Linus's subscribers aka schoolbois, aka have you finished your homework? aka it's summer mom

    • @whisk3y9
      @whisk3y9 5 лет назад +5

      Both Canadian?

    • @alexb-vh4nq
      @alexb-vh4nq 5 лет назад +3

      Linus’s videos are always in queue and filmed WAY before they come out... look at for example...when one of them gets a haircut and comes on WAN and then look wt the most recent video 😅😅 you’ll see the new haircut after 2-3 weeks 😅

    • @paulrivieras9762
      @paulrivieras9762 5 лет назад +5

      You know what else is strange?
      TODAYS SPONSOR...

    • @natturefrk
      @natturefrk 5 лет назад +3

      @@ticTHEhero Boy you really love using "aka".......

  • @bruhdabones
    @bruhdabones 5 лет назад +13

    Vincero watches put commodity Quartz movements that cost single digit dollar amounts in cases that cost not much more, and then they sell the watch for $100s

  • @derekg2132
    @derekg2132 3 года назад +3

    Yeah now newest video fastest gamjng pc in the world he is using ek unreleased thermoelectric cpu cooler for 5.7 gigahertz

  • @InderjeetSingh-im3eh
    @InderjeetSingh-im3eh 5 лет назад +29

    "In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"

  • @jubuttib
    @jubuttib 5 лет назад +18

    "Maybe it just wasn't mature enough."
    Alex: *chuckle, look of disbelief*

  • @W2APS
    @W2APS 5 лет назад +106

    Jeez I remember peltier coolers back pre 2000 to allow CPU overclocking to 200MHz+ :)

    • @PedroFTeixeira
      @PedroFTeixeira 5 лет назад +4

      Glad to see on other old school guy om the comments :)

    • @johndeerrm
      @johndeerrm 5 лет назад +4

      Same here, i had it on a p3. I could never stop the condensation.

    • @gregorytench2077
      @gregorytench2077 5 лет назад +2

      when linus said there may be older ones, i thought back to the celeron 300a days.

    • @jondonnelly3
      @jondonnelly3 5 лет назад +2

      @@johndeerrm Imagine if you could like take the Noctua design back in time and emm patent heatpipes.

    • @kusazero
      @kusazero 5 лет назад

      Then you get condensation

  • @kylequinn1963
    @kylequinn1963 3 года назад +61

    I love that I'm seeing this right after Intel released their first consumer Thermoelectric cooler. The results are amazing, I can't even lie. Watched one on a 5950x all core 4.8ghz to 5ghz boost clock at 45 degrees C which is bloody insane.

  • @samtherat6
    @samtherat6 5 лет назад +45

    You want to know what draws more power than these coolers? All of these plugs for LTT merch.

    • @gnaurai6251
      @gnaurai6251 5 лет назад

      I could understand if it was at the end but as it is in this video? It just feels forced.

    • @LunaECG
      @LunaECG 5 лет назад

      @@gnaurai6251 money is money

    • @dmay7
      @dmay7 5 лет назад

      I don't understand how that hoodie is stealth. I can see it and I'm not even straining.

  • @jamienolan6182
    @jamienolan6182 5 лет назад +64

    Linus: but what’s even cooler
    Me: Skips 20 seconds
    Also me: shit

    • @kotadawndragon
      @kotadawndragon 5 лет назад +8

      I did the same thing. I think they're getting wise to our ad-avoiding strategies.

    • @jamienolan6182
      @jamienolan6182 5 лет назад

      Kota W. XD

    • @fortisprocer966
      @fortisprocer966 5 лет назад +1

      Lol! I was somewhat surprised that there was no sponsor until the end.

    • @polychoron
      @polychoron 5 лет назад +1

      If you like the content, why would you avoid the ads? There's a price to pay for everything, if you value it, pay for it. Aw damn, this got my brain arguing with itself over thermodynamics again X/

    • @2nd-place
      @2nd-place 5 лет назад +2

      FortisProcer I’m confused. Did you guys miss 1:25?

  • @XtremeConditions
    @XtremeConditions 5 лет назад +22

    The logic of this sounds like...
    "Let's cool all them watts, by adding MORE watts!"

    • @jur4x
      @jur4x 5 лет назад +2

      That's pretty much how TEC works.

    • @АлексейГриднев-и7р
      @АлексейГриднев-и7р 5 лет назад

      I don't want to see that electricity bill which will arrive afterwards...

    • @XtremeConditions
      @XtremeConditions 5 лет назад

      @@SimonWoodburyForget I guess, but isn't the whole point of an air conditioner is that the reactions that occur outweigh the added heat of its power consumption, if that makes sense? Well, certainly in that it pumps the heat away, so I guess it doesn't outweigh per se. Or does it..? That's interesting and a whole other question I guess.
      This almost sounds like you're pumping electricity directly INTO the device that needs cooling. But I guess that's not quite what's happening either the way Alex explained i. It just seems like this whole thing is a waste and that if it ain't broke, don't fix it, you know?

  • @kusucks991
    @kusucks991 4 года назад +45

    0:50 "But what's even cooler, is..."
    Who else braced themselves for "OUR SPONSOR!!!" ??

    • @igisowski9750
      @igisowski9750 3 года назад

      ME

    • @SI-GOD
      @SI-GOD 3 года назад +1

      And add it started, I skipped ahead. I'm heare to learn from others mistakes so I don't have to waste my time and money on things that don't work. I actually pay for RUclips to avoid the 2-ad-per-minute nuisance. I'm not here to buy things I don't need.

    • @SI-GOD
      @SI-GOD 3 года назад +1

      The TECs can stacked. The TECs give approximately a 30°F difference. So when you run water across 1 and then another, you give it more time to lower the water temp but can never get below the limit of ~30° before ambient temp. However, if you put 1 TEC directly on top of the other, then you can get ~60° drop in ambient temp.
      Now try putting the TECs directly onto the CPU (using thermal paste). You can then put a water block on the hot side to send the fan cooling to another location.
      You can also use antifreeze in the water which absorbs heat better than plain water alone. There are other chemicals that absorb heat even better but some of those are expensive or they are poisonous to breath (ammonia) and so not good for residential use.

    • @nataliegrn17
      @nataliegrn17 3 года назад

      @@SI-GOD this is great info! Do you have a demo? Video? Or web page and pics?

  • @JMUDoc
    @JMUDoc 5 лет назад +98

    "My air conditioner doesn't have [a bluetooth speaker]..."
    MY air conditioner doesn't have an AIR CONDITIONER.

    • @therealpbristow
      @therealpbristow 5 лет назад +3

      My air conditioner has an extra H at the front... But it's really compact! =:o}

    • @NewLondonMarshall
      @NewLondonMarshall 5 лет назад

      @@therealpbristow ahahhaa

  • @jihoonkim9766
    @jihoonkim9766 5 лет назад +5

    The only thing that matters in a sustained workload is the surface area of the fin stack. It doesn't matter whether you move the heat with heat pipes, water or TECs.

    • @effuah
      @effuah 5 лет назад

      Also the temperature Delta (Fins/Ambient) matters, so if you could have a magic TEC, which could move the heat for free (and brakes thermodynamics), your fins would be more effective and you could use less area.

  • @onestartsmany
    @onestartsmany 5 лет назад +80

    Linus please shave your neck love ya but the mullet is not looking good

    • @Elusivehawk
      @Elusivehawk 5 лет назад +5

      It takes time to grow hair

    • @Elusivehawk
      @Elusivehawk 5 лет назад +6

      @Cellphone Dave Yeah, some people need to be told the obvious. Hair doesn't look good until it grows out. If we always tell people to cut their hair before it's done growing, everyone would have short hair and beards. All I'm saying is, let Linus grow out his hair (if that's what he's doing, doesn't quite seem like it to me) before criticizing it.

    • @snow49032
      @snow49032 5 лет назад +1

      Elusivehawk its clear he’s just overdue for a haircut. I have the same thing down the left side of my neck where i have to trim it even before my hair needs to be recut.

    • @ylee5923
      @ylee5923 5 лет назад

      Steve Burke 2.0?

  • @nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932
    @nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932 4 года назад +152

    "Draws 32 amps"
    "From Ebay"
    Sounds...safe...

    • @CurtisLittlechild92
      @CurtisLittlechild92 4 года назад +3

      Nmotsch idontwannagivemyrealname At only 12V DC it is safe.

    • @nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932
      @nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932 4 года назад +3

      @@CurtisLittlechild92 Voltage isn't everything. And you're trusting that it works properly.

    • @munchbit
      @munchbit 4 года назад +4

      @@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932 But at a low enough voltage such as at a measly 12V DC, it couldn't overcome a human's body electric resistance so it is relatively safe. Amps still needs voltage to be dangerous.

    • @nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932
      @nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932 4 года назад +2

      @@munchbit Isn't the real danger in if (and when) it eventually fails? Also, what about safety in terms of safe for your computer components?

    • @munchbit
      @munchbit 4 года назад +2

      @@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932 I'd say a TEC is quite reliable as it lacks any moving parts, except the water cooling part of course. It'll probably hurt the PSU like any other component if the peltier module does fail. It has contact with the CPU lid, but not the CPU itself as it's insulated unless you use a conducting TIM.

  • @yeuros6280
    @yeuros6280 5 лет назад +25

    I saw the title on my Firefox notification and I was like "this sounds like a Linus video. and that other guy who fiddles with electrical stuff". Been a while since we've seen Alex haha

  • @diavuno3835
    @diavuno3835 5 лет назад +15

    TECs can be great, when done properly....
    Like with my 400w TEC getting an athlon Xp Barton to sub zero temps with a liquid system chilling the hot side. And a second psu dedicated to the tec.
    ....as you said "in the old days"

    • @hemi-pilot
      @hemi-pilot 5 лет назад +1

      Diavuno similar here, K6-2 450 @ 540 MHZ at -20 C using peltier and custom watercooling loop in 1999.

    • @jur4x
      @jur4x 5 лет назад +1

      "TECs can be great"
      like the one keeping my food cool on my road trips :)

  • @FarmYardGaming
    @FarmYardGaming 5 лет назад +30

    Whip out the Tesco tower fan from your back pocket then. Obvs.

  • @DavidAragon13
    @DavidAragon13 4 года назад +14

    I had a friend in high school in 2001 who built a TEC for his Athlon XP system and made a water cooling system using a motorcycle radiator. This is old news to me and people keep trying it. I can't imagine trying to cool off a Pentium 4 system during that era with a TEC without breaking a kilowatt of energy.

  • @Azkr-
    @Azkr- 5 лет назад +74

    Those neck hairs on Linus look real pretty in HD
    get that cleaned boyo

    • @LeftJoystick
      @LeftJoystick 5 лет назад +8

      Great now that's all I notice...why did you have point this out

    • @awesomestuff9715
      @awesomestuff9715 5 лет назад +3

      @@LeftJoystick ikr I didnt notice until this comment

    • @MalachiTheBowlingGod
      @MalachiTheBowlingGod 5 лет назад +1

      To self: "I'm prolly the only person to notice..." *surprise!*

  • @lalPOOO
    @lalPOOO 5 лет назад +14

    Put a tec inbetween a refrigerant phase change system block and the cpu. It doesnt really work, but thats sort of the point of these videos.

  • @AidenMi
    @AidenMi 3 года назад +72

    The Peltiers becoming an insulator is absolutely true. I bought 2 of them as a kid to cool a CPU and if the CPU gets too warm, they basically become heaters and the more power you dump into them, the more heat comes from both sides…

    • @marioj6330
      @marioj6330 2 года назад

      Soy, it does not work for reduce the heat of a Cpu., why?

    • @zainrei4917
      @zainrei4917 2 года назад +9

      @@marioj6330 well a peltier module has a ratio of what maximum heat it can dissipate. lets say if your hot side is on 50 C then the cold side will be 5 C. but attach an radiator at the hot side to reduce the tempt to 25 C then the cold side will be lower than 0 C. now back to your question. it cannot reduce the heat of a cpu because the cpy destroys the hot and cold ratio on the 2 sides of the peltier module. the radiators or lets say heat dissipation system is not instantaneous and not 100% efficient as it can only draw such heat from the source. Thats why when the cpu is running and getting hotter, the peltier follows that hot and cold side ratio but with the cpu running the cold side is 30 C warmer(still increasing) and the hot side is already burning hot 70 to 100 C. the figures i said is just for representation and not its true value if applied in its formulas. but you can get the point of why it does not reduce the heat of a cpu

    • @cvspvr
      @cvspvr Год назад

      so, it actually starts cooking your cpu?

    • @Bolognabeef
      @Bolognabeef Год назад

      With a good insulated heat sink shouldn't it do no harm?

  • @rabidlenny7221
    @rabidlenny7221 2 года назад +1

    I would love to see a project where you have an array of Tec coolers cooled on both sides by two large water blocks, where the cooling capacity is greater than the max power consumption of the cpu & gpu.
    You have the hot side a water loop to dump heat to probably 3 rads each with 3 120mm fans.
    Then the chilled side, a water loop to your cpu & gpu.
    It seems key to me to have the TEC coolers controlled by an arduino, that is monitoring the discharge cold water temp from the TEC, and comparing it to the local dew point inside the case, cutting power to the TECs when you’re within 2 degrees of the dew point.
    It would probably be a good idea to have thermal mass in the cold water loop, for when cpu and gpu ramp up and down. Maybe an insulated LTT tech bottle? Probs wouldn’t hurt on the hot side, but not entirely necessary.
    Little things I would then geek out on are the cpu and gpu being piped in parallel on the chilled water loop, with balance valve so you could divert flow for optimum temps between the two.
    I’d prob have all the hot flow go through 1 rad first (as it would be at high temp and thus dump heat quickly with the air), and then the second rads in parallel, running at lower temps but having a lot of air to approach ambient. Maybe experimenting with arrangements here would be fun.
    But the key part of it all is that arduino monitoring chilled water temps, as to not have condensation on the cpu or gpu. Which I think is one of the main faults with the coolers shown in this video, second only to their cooling capacity being much lower than the max power consumption (thus heating capacity) of the cpu.

  • @sirsundays
    @sirsundays 5 лет назад +30

    Ask Der8auer. He has a Peltier cooler that works great.
    It just needs a lotta power.

    • @cbale2000
      @cbale2000 5 лет назад

      A lot of power and a lot of heatsinks.

    • @Promilus1984
      @Promilus1984 5 лет назад +1

      Well if it needs a way lot power than decent air cooler or water cooler then it's basically poor idea. Most likely you'd cool down more efficiently with refrigerator and still with better results. So, yeah, TEC is dead, at least in PC world/

  • @ArtdesTests
    @ArtdesTests 5 лет назад +28

    "cool" video, but I'm not here for that… may I have that wallpaper please 6:27

    • @qwertychouskie7815
      @qwertychouskie7815 5 лет назад +3

      AFAIK It's on their twitter as a runner-up in the LMG Lounge wallpaper contest

    • @ArtdesTests
      @ArtdesTests 5 лет назад +2

      @@qwertychouskie7815 Found it! Thank you so much, may Lisa Su bless you!

  • @spok_real
    @spok_real 3 года назад +8

    fastest pc ever ???

  • @Ranveer_sangha03
    @Ranveer_sangha03 4 года назад +101

    0:29 Alex smile priceless

    • @Evan8506
      @Evan8506 3 года назад +3

      yus

    • @That2J
      @That2J 3 года назад +5

      I want to see him grow up strong and healthy

  • @DeathClawDC
    @DeathClawDC 5 лет назад +17

    1:23 wait is that a stone?
    Next time use toothpaste as thermal paste

    • @jubuttib
      @jubuttib 5 лет назад +3

      It's Alex's original DIY heatsink, a really poorly done lump of cast aluminum with even worse "fins". =)

    • @RichHeart89
      @RichHeart89 5 лет назад +3

      My girlfriend's nephew fried his CPU with toothpaste as thermalpaste.
      I was like "nah, it's not the toothpaste, maybe it didn't connect properly. Here's my old mobo and CPU, try it again!"

    • @dannybos7024
      @dannybos7024 5 лет назад

      They already did use toothpaste for a video.

  • @yellowjuice554
    @yellowjuice554 5 лет назад +12

    But he didn't use blowie matrons.........
    yet?

  • @JoeCensored
    @JoeCensored 5 лет назад +31

    Definitely earlier than 2007. I used one back in the 90's on an original Pentium MMX.

    • @lucasrem
      @lucasrem 5 лет назад +1

      JoeCensored
      On any PhD levels? You know the einstein fridge.
      Original MMX? Pentium, forgot years, that old now...Skills?

    • @JMDSupra
      @JMDSupra 5 лет назад

      @@lucasrem ME TO!! I just posted a message just like yours! We used them on DX2-66 builds and others...

  • @dustinhaus1165
    @dustinhaus1165 4 года назад

    Back in the late 90's I had a peltier on my K6/2-500. I do not know who made it, but it was just attached to an aluminum heatsink, 60mm fan. I never had a single issue with it. Used it for about 3 years then gave it away. It came from a buddy who worked for a tiny town PC shop. The owner, in his 80's was 100% convinced that ALL limits had been hit, and wouldn't sell a high end PC without one. Then Slot1 came out. Someone asked me years later what I did about condensation. I told him I do the same people with a 100% acrylic case do about EMI. I don't think about it. Also bear in mind that my peltier was on a soc7, in a desktop case, no cover, extra PSU on top, 2 extra 5.25" drives, a stack of HD's, and a box fan bungied to it blowning down.

  • @kasperneedspeace
    @kasperneedspeace 5 лет назад +35

    32 amps...as an electrician I'm getting pretty annoyed here...
    Also, was that a rock?

    • @Roguey
      @Roguey 5 лет назад +7

      I guess 32amp at 12v?

    • @vaughnwilliams59
      @vaughnwilliams59 5 лет назад +7

      Yeah the 32 amps is BS. That would be 3,840 watts of power (assuming 120v) so they would pretty much have a red hot stove top on their computer 😆

    • @paulurbaniak2242
      @paulurbaniak2242 5 лет назад +15

      @@vaughnwilliams59 Peltier Elements usually run at 12V DC, so 1/10 the wattage

    • @Diskettes83
      @Diskettes83 5 лет назад +13

      Watts is watts. 545w is the same at 12v or 120v only the amperage changes.
      545w/12v = 45A
      545w/120v = 4.5A
      545w/32A = 17v

    • @vaughnwilliams59
      @vaughnwilliams59 5 лет назад +1

      @@paulurbaniak2242 Ah that makes a lot more sense, so it would be pulling much less current from the outlet too. Thanks for the info!

  • @ashleyavenuemusic
    @ashleyavenuemusic Год назад +13

    its crazy to see how far you guys have come in only 3 years. confidence and production value is exponentially higher

  • @JensHolstSchumacher
    @JensHolstSchumacher 5 лет назад +12

    "Magic is not real!".... LOL@Muggles

  • @theregoesmyeye869
    @theregoesmyeye869 4 года назад +2

    The peltier module you're waiting on draws more wattage than my whole damn computer.

  • @golsonkp
    @golsonkp 4 года назад +4

    I always wanted the ultra thermal electric cooling one back in the day. I thought it looked really cool

  • @NoahKesterson
    @NoahKesterson 5 лет назад +13

    Very informative video. I had no idea what a TEC was until today. Thanks for the great video as always! 👍

    • @jur4x
      @jur4x 5 лет назад +1

      most car 12V "fridges" use TECs. But they can only do 20C below ambient. Cheapest compressor based fridge I found for a car, was at similar price as my home fridge.

  • @Audio_Simon
    @Audio_Simon 5 лет назад +10

    Many of those eBay Peltiers (assembled or just the chip) are not the power they state. I bought a 15-amp one and it was actually 3-amp and another was 8-amp.

    • @TruthNerds
      @TruthNerds 5 лет назад

      There are scammers on eBay? Imagine my shock…

    • @davidmuth4571
      @davidmuth4571 5 лет назад

      @@TruthNerds The variability is the result of the manufacturing process and the failure to test and rate the individual units.

    • @Audio_Simon
      @Audio_Simon 5 лет назад

      @@davidmuth4571 With such a huge discrepancy I think it's more likely they print various model numbers on the same cheap units. How many people will actually measure the current draw?

    • @davidmuth4571
      @davidmuth4571 5 лет назад

      @@Audio_Simon It's common practice among many DIYers to routinely test and sort various component parts. Audio modders test upgrade caps. R/C guys test their new motors, servos and batteries. CMOS chips which are processed in the same batch get ratings which determine their specs and price point. Chips from the same plate could cost as much as $1000 with a "0" rating, while another graded lower might cost $100. Variability in manufactured items of all kinds is a fact of life.

    • @Audio_Simon
      @Audio_Simon 5 лет назад

      @@davidmuth4571 Everything you say is surely true. But in this case I just don't think production variability is what is what's going on. Are peltier 'chips' so difficult to make that they design it to draw 15amps and it only draws 3amps? That's 36watts instead of an expected 180watts.

  • @chazdevereaux6258
    @chazdevereaux6258 3 года назад

    Cooling is all about surface area. The water passing through a radiator is run through extremely thin pipes so it cools down much faster. Since the water in the Peltier loop was only passing through a small CPU block, it didn't stay in contact with the TEC long enough to cool down. It's like holding a match up to a 20-foot water pipe as the cold water passes through thinking you're going to get hot water on the other side. Slowing the flow of water would have been my first choice. My second choice would be to run the two TECs side-by-side on a single surface and use a much larger block with a chamber effect so the water has to pass back and forth over the surface several times. This may have worked better than using two large CPU blocks since the heat dissipation area was only about 5.12 square inches.

  • @archangelsean
    @archangelsean 5 лет назад +10

    Cooler Master V10 had one too! i had a q6600 cranked to the max with one of them and it ran SWEET

  • @hopguy666
    @hopguy666 4 года назад +5

    6:50 Linus did a good job hiding a yawn lol

  • @xasmaniusvolk8416
    @xasmaniusvolk8416 5 лет назад +30

    Oh my god I'm not the only one with the weird fetish to put other stuff on the Windows XP wallpaper

  • @catatonicsloth
    @catatonicsloth 5 лет назад

    At my previous job we built a railway inspection system with two high-end pcs in a box with water cooling, where the water was running through an industrial chiller. (The chiller was cooling multiple water streams, pcs, cameras, and LED lights) Try that! :D

  • @RaDeus87
    @RaDeus87 5 лет назад +9

    Next project: Einstein-Szilard Refrigerator cooling.
    It would potentially be the ultimate quiet PC.

  • @GuigEspritDuSage
    @GuigEspritDuSage 5 лет назад +13

    I remember to have done the calculations for Peltier cooling on the late 90's or early 2000's and the numbers get really fastly big. When you use a peltier, you want:
    1°) deltaT (hot temp - cold temp) as big as possible.
    2°) hot side (and so cold side) as cold as possible.
    Then comes the problems: A peltier element can achieve his maximum deltaT when the heat input in 0w. When the eat input match the peltier maximum power, the deltaT become 0°C. It means that a peltier has to be much powerfull than a CPU if we want it to be well-cooled.
    So for example a 25W AMD K6-2 from this old times, to be quite well cooled, you need a 80W+ peltier. A 80W peltier means 80W power absorption capacity. And so 80W+ power consumption and eat generation. So the cooling system have to be big enough to evacuate 25 + 80+ = 105+W heat instead of the 25W from the CPU alone.
    Also sometimes, a peltier fries. So he become a powerful heat generator, leading to to the CPU to follow it in his death.

  • @UMOdegaard
    @UMOdegaard 4 года назад

    My bachelor thesis in mechanical engineering was studying the efficency of peltier elements when used as heat pumps. I did tests in all ranges in regards to volume of air heated, power and number of elements at work. The result was that these elements has it’s peak efficency at 4˚C in temperature difference between the two sides of the element.... They are just not that powerful...

  • @nickg.4050
    @nickg.4050 5 лет назад +19

    Linus: "We're about to get cool, people!
    But first, a word from our sponsor..."
    It's too bloody hot to wait much longer to cool off, Linus!
    Addendum: Well, damn, he surprised me, too!

  • @bruhdabones
    @bruhdabones 5 лет назад +4

    I will dislike all of your videos until you drop Vincero.

    • @Aaron_Jensen
      @Aaron_Jensen 5 лет назад +2

      Good luck with that. Very few people have standards when handed a check.

  • @hydra2855
    @hydra2855 5 лет назад +5

    Maybe put the radiator on the warm output side of the CPU so the water going into peltiars is a little cooler?

  • @jeanjohnson2743
    @jeanjohnson2743 4 года назад +1

    How about a water cooling setup with thermoelectric cell in a loop system on the radiator

  • @alexlow8
    @alexlow8 5 лет назад +5

    I had an idea a few years ago, but have lacked the motivation to try it out. You keep the traditional water loop setup including rad, but insert a peltier device into the loop after the radiator. You have a thermocouple on the water block that is connected to the peltier and a humidity and temperature sensor measuring the ambient air hooked up to a micro-controller which controls the voltage applied across the peltier device. The micro-controller ensures that the temperature of your coolant never goes below dew-point, so you don't have to worry about condensation, and the peltier does not draw as much current. There is definitely some risk here of your radiator actually working in reverse and heating the coolant, depending on the thermal output of the system, but if you had a loop that cools not only your CPU, but also GPU and potentially MOBO chip-set (and maybe even RAM - because after all this is a crazy idea in from the get-go), I think there is little chance of the coolant reaching the rad at sub-ambient temperature.

  • @leburgh8242
    @leburgh8242 4 года назад +6

    Hey can you test the cooling performance of the radiator by itself, against the radiator PLUS one of the chiller elements in the same loop? I think thermoelectric cooling may be a better assistant than the sole cooling power

  • @FakeJeep
    @FakeJeep 5 лет назад +9

    Hey I have one of those and it works fine!
    As a dehumidifier....

  • @Methadras
    @Methadras 4 года назад

    I used to run Switftech Pelt coolers. They didn't catch on because they were expensive and required a lot of prep work to the CPU itself to prevent condensation which is a serious problem for Pelt cooling. You have to insulate against condensation and that can be tough for most people.

  • @jump_ifn0tzero779
    @jump_ifn0tzero779 5 лет назад +51

    Peltier effect cooler you say?
    *Thunderf00t roars in distance*

    • @nicktaylor1902
      @nicktaylor1902 5 лет назад +9

      Neil The Memer the only thing he hates more than women talking about vidya

    • @raxii759
      @raxii759 5 лет назад

      Hahahaj

    • @peaj4812
      @peaj4812 5 лет назад

      Lol anything within spitting distance of a condenser is his domain.

    • @jur4x
      @jur4x 5 лет назад +2

      @@peaj4812 And how about Solar freaking roadways?

    • @peaj4812
      @peaj4812 5 лет назад +2

      @@jur4x LOL, SFR was supremely funny.

  • @criminalcuteness3952
    @criminalcuteness3952 5 лет назад +18

    If you can't find a good cooling solution for the PC then you can always do so for the environment! Liquid Nitrogen Room Cooling RGB Linus! I want to see it!

    • @lucasrem
      @lucasrem 5 лет назад

      CriminalCuteness
      environment? iPad enough, smart TV!
      Keep them over 10 years, and your a good mad cat!

  • @980arsalan
    @980arsalan 5 лет назад +11

    Me - watches linus videos
    Linus video - vinc-
    Me - instantly skips foward 20 seconds

  • @ZILOGz80VIDEOS
    @ZILOGz80VIDEOS 5 лет назад

    fun fact, soldering is a lot easier with an actual solder station and not some weird solder gun solution. For a long time I thought I was just bad at soldering when I was using my crappy weller but then I got a relatively cheap amazon solder station and boom I could actually do stuff.

  • @joeyhillers9460
    @joeyhillers9460 5 лет назад +38

    Water-cooling when you broke af and only have an aircooler