"So, what are we going to call your new starfighter, Grand Admiral Thrawn?" Emperor Palpatine asked. "King Hell God Emperor Starfighter of Death." Thrawn smiled sardonically. "Maybe just call it the Missile Boat..." Palpatine replied while sighing.
@@ahsenkhan5386in the Disney stuff yes, in the old stuff it was this guy but thrawn really liked the ship and hoped that more resources would be allocated to them instead of building a second Death Star.
@@empirednw6624 Which carried across both continuities. I think it was one of the points Timothy Zahn gave to Dave Filoni on how Thrawn's arc should proceed
@@ahsenkhan5386Only in Disney Canon. In Legends, it was GA Zarrin that made the TIE Defender (He was the head of Starfighter R&D). Ironically, Legends Thrawn made the Missile Gunboat, the counter to Zarrin’s TIE Defender.
I always found it a bit odd that Zaarin wasn't mentioned more outside of the games. You'd think the man who almost overthrew the Emperor, destroyed most of the Empire's advanced starfighter facilities and gave Thrawn a run for his money would have been referenced more in Legends. One of my favorite aspects about the Zaarin Insurrection is that it fits in neatly with the lore and addresses several potential plot holes that may have otherwise cropped up. For example, it explains why you don't see the Empire field hilariously overpowered starfighters like Tie Defenders and Missile Boats in large numbers (Zaarin destroyed the production facilities and took many of the surviving ships), along with addressing Thrawn's absence at pivotal battles like Endor (he was busy fighting Zaarin).
The one plot hole I don't get is what happened to Merrick Steele? Not only did he help Thrawn against Zaarin, but was another Emperor's Hand. Was he the reason Thrawn knew Mara Jade wasn't the only one? And where was he during the Thrawn Trilogy?
He is mentioned briefly in a few spots but certainly nowhere near what he should be. He's directly mentioned in Choices of One and Indirectly in X Wing Omnibus.
I think Thrawn's timeline is really screwy when trying reconcile the events of SW: TIE Fighter (mostly concerning the timing of his promotions to Admiral and Grand Admiral imo and not even counting that disparity the dude was practically bouncing between the Unknown Regions and the galaxy proper on a weekly basis) with other sources but Zaarin was dead midway through 3 ABY and the Battle of Endor occurred not too long after in 4 ABY.
Maarek Steele amuses me because he's had like three different skin tones. All because the art render that came with his original game had a serious case of the DCAU Luthors.
6:10 The Gammorean could breathe fire IIRC. They also tied it in to the Republic/Legacy comics and Dark Forces video games by associating the Tusken from that game with Hett/Krayt and the Grave Tusken heretic gang from Dark Forces 2 Jedi Knight and its MotS expansion.
Yes, the lore is good, but the game is still trash. Just put it the important and bearable stuff of the game on a lot of essential guide material and call it a day.
I made prelection about Zaarin campaign about decade ago, animated as XWA briefings, thinking it would be faster then making it as slideshow or learning some new soft. It worked, but I never touched modding of XWA ever again. :D
I feel like the vanilla game's finale where Palpatine is somehow loaded onto the shuttle and kidnapped doesn't make much sense. Even when retcons said the cyborg force user martial arts chick from Masters of Teras Kasi had joined Zaarin and helped. The XWA port fan made version of the events skips the shuttle part and makes the fleets much bigger, but sadly puts Vader back in his own X1 instead of making him a monster in a Defender.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 It's the finale of the base game, IIRC every level after that is expansion pack content. Hence the gigantic difficulty spike. The upgraded re-release packed them all into one game.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 I'm like 99% sure every mission after the Emperor's kidnapping was expansion content. Just looked it up and I'm right, everything after the Emperor's Kidnapping is from Defender of the Empire. Which is expansion content that was included in the upgraded re-release.
It actually makes sence why he's in his X1. Every fighter is needed and you might as well have pilots in the craft they are trained on instead of Vader and some other pilot having to learn a new craft on the spot.
Really criminal of you and Eck to deem TIE Fighter as below S-tier. Seriously, that game gets really good once you master it, and believe me, it sure is better than the unfortunately decaying Squadrons because of many reasons you sorely overlooked. Anyhow, gotta love taking down this traitor to the Empire via his own obsession with experimental craft.
@@DIEGhostfish Yeah, too much TIE Defenders, I know. Still not as bad as X-Wing's own tiring expansions, and though not Star Wars, Wolfenstein 3D: Spear of Destiny.
@@youwayo Honestly, if one has to be a true Star Wars fan nowadays, they REALLY have to be into retro gaming with little or no complaints, and with many genres too.
I don't know if you had mentioned it in a prior video or not, but have you considered looking into a reviewing the "Galaxy of Fear" line of Star Wars books? One of them has a notable appearance of Grand Admiral Thrawn himself.
Will the grand admirals ever come to new canon? We have thrawn, the most recognizable grand admiral. But it'd be cool to see some of the other ones, esspically since new canon doesn't shy away from talking about the politics of the empire. So seeing some of these men getting their positions because they were huge political supporters, I think that'd be interesting.
8:01: And boy, do I love calling it that at the most virtuous of times. Flies and fights more like a Star Trek starship though, if one thinks about it much.
"So, what are we going to call your new starfighter, Grand Admiral Thrawn?" Emperor Palpatine asked.
"King Hell God Emperor Starfighter of Death." Thrawn smiled sardonically.
"Maybe just call it the Missile Boat..." Palpatine replied while sighing.
I vote for Thrawn's naming idea.
No appreciation for art.
"sardonically" Well, someone actually reads.
And then they did, and so the Skipray BlastBoat was made😅
Thank you Zarrin for the wonderful contribution to the Galaxy. The TIE Defender.
Disney Canon Thrawn: yo let me steal that quickly oh and your uniform and rank too.
@@laisphinto6372 I thought Thrawn made the Tie defender
@@ahsenkhan5386in the Disney stuff yes, in the old stuff it was this guy but thrawn really liked the ship and hoped that more resources would be allocated to them instead of building a second Death Star.
@@empirednw6624 Which carried across both continuities. I think it was one of the points Timothy Zahn gave to Dave Filoni on how Thrawn's arc should proceed
@@ahsenkhan5386Only in Disney Canon. In Legends, it was GA Zarrin that made the TIE Defender (He was the head of Starfighter R&D). Ironically, Legends Thrawn made the Missile Gunboat, the counter to Zarrin’s TIE Defender.
I always found it a bit odd that Zaarin wasn't mentioned more outside of the games. You'd think the man who almost overthrew the Emperor, destroyed most of the Empire's advanced starfighter facilities and gave Thrawn a run for his money would have been referenced more in Legends.
One of my favorite aspects about the Zaarin Insurrection is that it fits in neatly with the lore and addresses several potential plot holes that may have otherwise cropped up. For example, it explains why you don't see the Empire field hilariously overpowered starfighters like Tie Defenders and Missile Boats in large numbers (Zaarin destroyed the production facilities and took many of the surviving ships), along with addressing Thrawn's absence at pivotal battles like Endor (he was busy fighting Zaarin).
The one plot hole I don't get is what happened to Merrick Steele? Not only did he help Thrawn against Zaarin, but was another Emperor's Hand. Was he the reason Thrawn knew Mara Jade wasn't the only one? And where was he during the Thrawn Trilogy?
@@johnnygyro2295 Probably in the unknown regions, or he went up against the Rogues.
He is mentioned briefly in a few spots but certainly nowhere near what he should be. He's directly mentioned in Choices of One and Indirectly in X Wing Omnibus.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 He shows up as part of the Old Spacers' Home to trench run Kessel in the start of that whole fate of the Jedi business
I think Thrawn's timeline is really screwy when trying reconcile the events of SW: TIE Fighter (mostly concerning the timing of his promotions to Admiral and Grand Admiral imo and not even counting that disparity the dude was practically bouncing between the Unknown Regions and the galaxy proper on a weekly basis) with other sources but Zaarin was dead midway through 3 ABY and the Battle of Endor occurred not too long after in 4 ABY.
This was kind of like the Star Wars equivalent of operation Valkyrie: The failed assassination attempt of Adolf Hitler.
The King Hell God Emperor of Death....what a name HAHAHAHA
Tie Fighter Total Conversion is such an amazing fan-made project. Everyone with a flight stick should give it a shot.
If not that, then just master it with a really good keyboard and gaming mouse.
@@michaelandreipalon359 I thought XWA took that option out unless the mod puts it back in.
Excellent video on the best Grand Admiral!
very objectively i agree.
Maarek Steele amuses me because he's had like three different skin tones. All because the art render that came with his original game had a serious case of the DCAU Luthors.
6:10 The Gammorean could breathe fire IIRC. They also tied it in to the Republic/Legacy comics and Dark Forces video games by associating the Tusken from that game with Hett/Krayt and the Grave Tusken heretic gang from Dark Forces 2 Jedi Knight and its MotS expansion.
Gotta love Legends for its cross references.
Still hate Masters of Teras Kasi though. That's a game that deserves to be forgotten and not rereleased.
@@michaelandreipalon359 I dunno mn a Gammorean who can breathe fucking fire is great.
Yes, the lore is good, but the game is still trash. Just put it the important and bearable stuff of the game on a lot of essential guide material and call it a day.
Imagine if Zaarin had waited for Endor
Director Lenzer was just Wraith Seinar himself after dissociating on a massive spice bender.
Hope your friend enjoyed it. That was nice of you
I'm sure Palpatine enjoyed the mini vacation of the coup, gets to take his mind off ruling for a few hours as a treat.
I made prelection about Zaarin campaign about decade ago, animated as XWA briefings, thinking it would be faster then making it as slideshow or learning some new soft. It worked, but I never touched modding of XWA ever again. :D
I dislike the retcon where they give the defender to thrawn. Good video.
I feel like the vanilla game's finale where Palpatine is somehow loaded onto the shuttle and kidnapped doesn't make much sense. Even when retcons said the cyborg force user martial arts chick from Masters of Teras Kasi had joined Zaarin and helped. The XWA port fan made version of the events skips the shuttle part and makes the fleets much bigger, but sadly puts Vader back in his own X1 instead of making him a monster in a Defender.
I always just figured they must have used Ysalamari's somehow.
@@Emberheart_ Palps would have glassed Myrkyr for that.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 It's the finale of the base game, IIRC every level after that is expansion pack content. Hence the gigantic difficulty spike. The upgraded re-release packed them all into one game.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 I'm like 99% sure every mission after the Emperor's kidnapping was expansion content. Just looked it up and I'm right, everything after the Emperor's Kidnapping is from Defender of the Empire. Which is expansion content that was included in the upgraded re-release.
It actually makes sence why he's in his X1. Every fighter is needed and you might as well have pilots in the craft they are trained on instead of Vader and some other pilot having to learn a new craft on the spot.
awesome ep, was waiting for this one from the start of the series
Really criminal of you and Eck to deem TIE Fighter as below S-tier. Seriously, that game gets really good once you master it, and believe me, it sure is better than the unfortunately decaying Squadrons because of many reasons you sorely overlooked.
Anyhow, gotta love taking down this traitor to the Empire via his own obsession with experimental craft.
Its an incredible game but I still tapped out on the first Expansion Pack mission.
I mean, Eck is the same guy that said BF2’s lootbox controversy was “blown out of proportion”. Maybe he is not much of a gamer. Idk.
@@DIEGhostfish Yeah, too much TIE Defenders, I know.
Still not as bad as X-Wing's own tiring expansions, and though not Star Wars, Wolfenstein 3D: Spear of Destiny.
@@youwayo Honestly, if one has to be a true Star Wars fan nowadays, they REALLY have to be into retro gaming with little or no complaints, and with many genres too.
I don't know if you had mentioned it in a prior video or not, but have you considered looking into a reviewing the "Galaxy of Fear" line of Star Wars books?
One of them has a notable appearance of Grand Admiral Thrawn himself.
Will the grand admirals ever come to new canon? We have thrawn, the most recognizable grand admiral. But it'd be cool to see some of the other ones, esspically since new canon doesn't shy away from talking about the politics of the empire. So seeing some of these men getting their positions because they were huge political supporters, I think that'd be interesting.
There's Grand Admiral Selit in Thrawn Treason and Rae Sloane though there's not much they do
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 would love to see some of the OGs pop up and get some fleshing out in the new cannon.
5:40 Really Palpy? The same trick AGAIN? Let me guess, you took her to the Opera to make your pitch. Get some creativity man!
If it's not broke, don't fix it.
I wonder if Palps has a favorite opera to recurit force sensitives to. Did he have one tsilored for, say, the grand inquisator?
Is this Robot Chicken?
I love videos like this, thanks!!
8:01: And boy, do I love calling it that at the most virtuous of times.
Flies and fights more like a Star Trek starship though, if one thinks about it much.
I saw a live action depiction of Zarrin where he would be played by Tony Sirico which I would have loved to see
Elaine's boss from Seinfeld would be the perfect actor to portray Zaarin.
Legends materials should have been a animation of series from the beginning to the end.
God no...the animation style they use is awful
Rebels Thrawn is a child show paradoy in comparison.
Soooooo.... his last name be Gaas?
Lol campaignion video. Top tier tactical wordplay.
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Once again. Legends has some wack shit in it
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