Pallaeon is one of, if not the best imperial character in EU/Legends. Learned from the best, but was able to chose NOT to make the same mistakes of this predecessors.
Too bad a certain someone had his assassinated later in the wars..... he was an amazing character and has been in so much of the history and lore of star wars, I mean in a lot of ways, he was more important then most jedi.
I always wondered exactly what happened when Bastion temporarily fell to a bog standard Grutchin ambush. Was Pellaeon asleep or something when someone else gave the order to charge or did he fuck up that badly?
Such a shame that Pellaeon had to lose all the gains from this campaign years later thanks to idiotic Moffs being too greedy, seems like no matter the time and place greed will always be the fall of an Empire
Pelleaon did lose a portion of his conquered territory but he did still keep control of Orinda and a few other systems. Remember the Restored Empire tried to overthrow Pelleaon and the Imperial Remnant in 13 ABY. Orinda was the capital of the remnant at the time.
Right after Orinda is probably the best time if you want to play an Imperial party in an RPG. Your faction is the Underdog, but not a completely doomed one.
This nice map just calls for an "Imperial Civil War-Every Week" time-lapse! Would be so cool since we have so few of these for Star Wars Legends on RUclips. Anyways, nice video as always, the visuals, the information given, your voice, it's perfect.
This made me realize how fun and immersive the orinda GC must be in the current version of TR as you get to fight of the republic and try to rebuild the empire by increasing your legitimacy. Not as challanging withour rivals maybe, but way less of just a brawl with the NR as it was in earlier versions. Gonna do that for my next campaign for sure!
I love also how this is driven by doctrinal and political issues. It's things like this which make this era 'feel' more real. And years down the line it also shows the New Republic adapting over the coming years - making bigger and stronger ships.
Love these _vignettes_ into the fictional military history of expanded universe lore. Maybe one of the best artistic off-shoots of the Petroglyph modification.
5:43 awesome animation of the orinda campaign pic. i never was much interested in the post dark empire period but videos like this really help. ik Pellaeon from thrawn books ofc but after that i kinda lost track of him, was more interested in dark empire and not had much xp with lore until some entries from young jedi knights onwards.
Orinda campaign was a watershed moment that stopped the rot and put Empire back in the game. It Pelleaon had been allowed to consolidate gains and then strike out as he saw fit, instead of immediate continuing offensive, black fleet crisis would have occurred and given empire opportunity of maximum potential to regain enough territory while new republic was distracted with Yevetha to make a negotiated peace workable.
Another lovely documentary! It's really interesting to hear about the lasting impacts some battles/events have on the later doctrines and behaviour of factions.
Great consolidation of all the limited info we have on this pivotal campaign. I've been fascinated by the late period of the GCW ever since I read the Essential Atlas and the Essential Guide to Warfare a decade ago and the Battle of Orinda is the most fleshed out element of the period. It's a shame we never got the Orinda, Celanon, and Final Imperial Push campaigns in proper narrative form in novels or games and have to settle for gleaning tidbits from short sourcebook summaries. If they ever start publishing Legends material again... One thing that always bugged me though, I feel like it would have made more sense to have the Final Imperial Push follow shortly after Orinda and then have the Celanon campaign and the New Republic's final offensives against the Imperial Remnant come later. And Anx Minor should probably be a tactical stalemate rather than a total NR victory to explain why the NR didn't wipe out the remnants of the Remnant while they had the chance.
I don't think it was a lack of aggression, so much a lack of delusion. The end of this campaign proves it, he's won, stabilized the border as intended, then the Moffs get ambitious and greedy, and they lose the Reaper.
In truth the Empire could easily crushed the New Republic rise to power if they put aside their differences and actual pull their resources to defeat the New Republic. Pallaeon was the hero that the Galactic Empire desperately needed to survive, and without him the New Republic would have crushed all resistance against it.
The amount of plot armor towards the Rebels and New Republic, even in the old EU, often makes me furious. This was a perfectly placed and executed trap where the Lusankya should have been destroyed in this battle. The loss of this ship wouldn't have been a huge blow to the very much superior military of the New Republic and would have been an important wake up call for them to get their tactics straight.
Maybe this video will explain why Scarl of all places is on the map for this GC in your mod. Total far side of the core, and I hadn't thought it was any use since the fall of the TIE Phantom project.
An avoidable NR debacle, if I say so myself. Still, at least this wasn't galaxy-endangering this time around. And all this interservice rivalry better stop. By the Force, I hate such trifles.
@@stars9084 NO ONE EXPECTS THE ugh... 12 kilometer long death machine? You'd think they would have done some advanced scouting or something to know where their assets where, but yeah what are you going to do against two SSD's?
@@stars9084 It still needs to be supplied and watching ship and personnel movement is the job of intelligence. Star Wars never does a good job with scale, If the Imperials were able to hide the men and material needed to keep a massive machine operational good on them but the NR should have had just as large Intelligence group able to find it.
@@seawind930 As a general rule you're right, though in this case I believe the reason they didn't know about it was that Pellaeon's forces stumbled on it in a drydock that had been abandoned in a sector that was difficult to reach. The question would then be how plausible it is for there to be enough supplies there to run it as well...
@@CoreysDatapad Makes sense. No Reaper. And the first attempt at a peace treaty. Though the D'Astas were still imperial territory despite being fairly far from the Remnant's borders not long after (Their sector's around Serenno IIRC.)
Can you explain that the empires fleet had been reduced by 12 ABY but Natasi dala reunified the fleet after that time but she was defeated at Yavin? Was she defeated at Yavin first then 12 years later reunified the fleet?
Looking online the two most common names that pop up for suggestions are Gary Oldham and Sam Elliott. For accent alone I have to rule out Elliott. He's a great actor, but I can't see Pellaeon with a Texas cowboy accent
Pallaeon is one of, if not the best imperial character in EU/Legends. Learned from the best, but was able to chose NOT to make the same mistakes of this predecessors.
Truth
He's personnaly one of my all time fav star wars characters top 5 for sure
Too bad a certain someone had his assassinated later in the wars..... he was an amazing character and has been in so much of the history and lore of star wars, I mean in a lot of ways, he was more important then most jedi.
I always wondered exactly what happened when Bastion temporarily fell to a bog standard Grutchin ambush. Was Pellaeon asleep or something when someone else gave the order to charge or did he fuck up that badly?
And he has one of my favourite looking ships named after him
Such a shame that Pellaeon had to lose all the gains from this campaign years later thanks to idiotic Moffs being too greedy, seems like no matter the time and place greed will always be the fall of an Empire
The moffs were the downfall of the empire more like lol
Pelleaon did lose a portion of his conquered territory but he did still keep control of Orinda and a few other systems. Remember the Restored Empire tried to overthrow Pelleaon and the Imperial Remnant in 13 ABY. Orinda was the capital of the remnant at the time.
Greed will be anyone's downfall. It's always important to keep in mind.
Right after Orinda is probably the best time if you want to play an Imperial party in an RPG. Your faction is the Underdog, but not a completely doomed one.
This nice map just calls for an "Imperial Civil War-Every Week" time-lapse! Would be so cool since we have so few of these for Star Wars Legends on RUclips.
Anyways, nice video as always, the visuals, the information given, your voice, it's perfect.
This made me realize how fun and immersive the orinda GC must be in the current version of TR as you get to fight of the republic and try to rebuild the empire by increasing your legitimacy.
Not as challanging withour rivals maybe, but way less of just a brawl with the NR as it was in earlier versions. Gonna do that for my next campaign for sure!
I love also how this is driven by doctrinal and political issues. It's things like this which make this era 'feel' more real. And years down the line it also shows the New Republic adapting over the coming years - making bigger and stronger ships.
7:00 And then you have Darksaber where a single MC90 and some corellian gunships go up against an Executor class and 25 Victory-IIs.
How incompetent would Daala have to be to lose in that situation
@Vanya C Oh no, the Governor escaped on a Dreadnaut not a Dreadnought. He never had an executor.
@Vanya C Yeah people weren't even calling SSDs "Dreadnoughts" till the early or mid 2000s.
@@DIEGhostfish Ah the days when it was the Super-class Star Destroyer at only 8000 meters long
Love these _vignettes_ into the fictional military history of expanded universe lore.
Maybe one of the best artistic off-shoots of the Petroglyph modification.
5:43 awesome animation of the orinda campaign pic. i never was much interested in the post dark empire period but videos like this really help. ik Pellaeon from thrawn books ofc but after that i kinda lost track of him, was more interested in dark empire and not had much xp with lore until some entries from young jedi knights onwards.
Yeah, why not just hack? If it's only XP you lack :p
@@Kolonol1 u realize i was not talking about the game right?
Orinda campaign was a watershed moment that stopped the rot and put Empire back in the game. It Pelleaon had been allowed to consolidate gains and then strike out as he saw fit, instead of immediate continuing offensive, black fleet crisis would have occurred and given empire opportunity of maximum potential to regain enough territory while new republic was distracted with Yevetha to make a negotiated peace workable.
Error: the Lusankya was not captured _by_ the Empire during the Bacta War; it was captured _from_ the Empire during the Bacta War.
"Error:" 👆🤓
Interesting video of battle of orinda we will never have anything that good in Disney canon, I can’t wait to see you do the Yuuzhan Vong war next.
It was a blurb on a sourcebook written by a guy who's still writing books/sourcebooks in new canon.
@@CoreysDatapad May we get more Blurbs.
Another lovely documentary! It's really interesting to hear about the lasting impacts some battles/events have on the later doctrines and behaviour of factions.
Great consolidation of all the limited info we have on this pivotal campaign. I've been fascinated by the late period of the GCW ever since I read the Essential Atlas and the Essential Guide to Warfare a decade ago and the Battle of Orinda is the most fleshed out element of the period. It's a shame we never got the Orinda, Celanon, and Final Imperial Push campaigns in proper narrative form in novels or games and have to settle for gleaning tidbits from short sourcebook summaries. If they ever start publishing Legends material again...
One thing that always bugged me though, I feel like it would have made more sense to have the Final Imperial Push follow shortly after Orinda and then have the Celanon campaign and the New Republic's final offensives against the Imperial Remnant come later. And Anx Minor should probably be a tactical stalemate rather than a total NR victory to explain why the NR didn't wipe out the remnants of the Remnant while they had the chance.
Cool to see more about that period, great video!
Excellent vid. Pellaeon was a good commander but could lack aggression, at times.
I don't think it was a lack of aggression, so much a lack of delusion.
The end of this campaign proves it, he's won, stabilized the border as intended, then the Moffs get ambitious and greedy, and they lose the Reaper.
In truth the Empire could easily crushed the New Republic rise to power if they put aside their differences and actual pull their resources to defeat the New Republic. Pallaeon was the hero that the Galactic Empire desperately needed to survive, and without him the New Republic would have crushed all resistance against it.
Damn Moffs have to ruin everything with their greed and power hunger.
The Imperial civil stopped all of that. A far more believable reason, and cooler, than “cannon”.
Slightly misspoke there you said Lusankya was captured "By" the Empire in the Bacta war, you meant to say "From" the Empire.
Finally, I recognize the origin of the wallpaper. Aaaah, wondrous knowledge. Thanks, Corey!
The amount of plot armor towards the Rebels and New Republic, even in the old EU, often makes me furious. This was a perfectly placed and executed trap where the Lusankya should have been destroyed in this battle. The loss of this ship wouldn't have been a huge blow to the very much superior military of the New Republic and would have been an important wake up call for them to get their tactics straight.
These map graphics are beautiful, reminds me of Modi work in the Essential Atlas and the Essential Guide to Warfare
The quality of this channel went from 10 to 100 in such a short time I must say I'm amazed.
Maybe this video will explain why Scarl of all places is on the map for this GC in your mod. Total far side of the core, and I hadn't thought it was any use since the fall of the TIE Phantom project.
Great breakdown Corey
I’m looking forward to the animated campaign for The Hunt For Zsinj
An avoidable NR debacle, if I say so myself. Still, at least this wasn't galaxy-endangering this time around.
And all this interservice rivalry better stop. By the Force, I hate such trifles.
I love this series.
2:22 - We call it "Imperial Center"
Love these videos!
You'd think the E-wing's teething issues would be ironed out by now. Also WHY WAS THE ENDURANCE POISTIONED WHERE IT WAS?!!?
They weren’t expecting the second SSD. Endurance’s position was probably a lot more favorable towards the Megador
@@stars9084 NO ONE EXPECTS THE ugh... 12 kilometer long death machine? You'd think they would have done some advanced scouting or something to know where their assets where, but yeah what are you going to do against two SSD's?
@@seawind930 The other SSD wasn't there, it came out of hyperspace. You can't scout every system within range of a combat site
@@stars9084 It still needs to be supplied and watching ship and personnel movement is the job of intelligence. Star Wars never does a good job with scale, If the Imperials were able to hide the men and material needed to keep a massive machine operational good on them but the NR should have had just as large Intelligence group able to find it.
@@seawind930 As a general rule you're right, though in this case I believe the reason they didn't know about it was that Pellaeon's forces stumbled on it in a drydock that had been abandoned in a sector that was difficult to reach. The question would then be how plausible it is for there to be enough supplies there to run it as well...
Oooh so Crimson Empire 3 is after the Orinda Campaign.
Yeah that's 13 ABY I believe
@@CoreysDatapad Makes sense. No Reaper. And the first attempt at a peace treaty. Though the D'Astas were still imperial territory despite being fairly far from the Remnant's borders not long after (Their sector's around Serenno IIRC.)
I love how this planet is named after a city in the Bay Area, didn’t even try to alter it 😂
Can you explain that the empires fleet had been reduced by 12 ABY but Natasi dala reunified the fleet after that time but she was defeated at Yavin?
Was she defeated at Yavin first then 12 years later reunified the fleet?
ABY refers to a different battle of yavin, the one in Episode 4
Who would play him in live-action? Cliche as this may sound, I genuinely think Patrick Stewart could do it.
Looking online the two most common names that pop up for suggestions are Gary Oldham and Sam Elliott.
For accent alone I have to rule out Elliott. He's a great actor, but I can't see Pellaeon with a Texas cowboy accent