Navigating Aces Under Pressure: A Guide to Bluff Catching
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2024
- In this video, the caller faces a high pressure decision on the river when his opponent check raise jams all in. Bart and the caller also get into a discussion about if he could have taken a different betting line that would have allowed him to turn his hand into a bluff. Bart explains why we don't typically want to turn a very strong bluff catching hand into a bluff versus a bluffing range. Take your game to the next level with these advanced strategy concepts!
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0:00 - Intro
1:19 - Preflop
3:47 - Flop
6:59 - Turn
9:44 - River
18:25 - Hero Decision
18:47 - Reveal
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Did you follow the logic of why we generally do not want to turn a strong bluff catcher into a bluff against a bluffing range?
I understood it as:
When you try to bluff catch, you’re polarizing your opponent’s range, because they would just float with a marginal made hand to realize their equity. So when they raise your reverse blocker, they either have garbage, which will surely fold to a 3-bet jam, or a premium that likely calls off our 3 bet and stacks us.
What I am curious about is if there are ever similar situations to the one proposed where because we block the nuts, even with a made hand we might want to try to bluff off better hands. In this particular hand, we could conceivably tell the story that we had Asxs that we 4-bet as a bluff, bet small after we hit the flop, and bet bigger as we improved on the turn and river. Is it just not worth it because you’ll scare away the hands you want to extract value from, which are much more likely, and still not necessarily pick up enough fold equity from the rare hand that has you beat?
I mean you block the nuts, you're getting good pot odds, and there are legit chances villian is overvaluing worse, that's like the trifecta of gotta call it.
You're blocking the flush by holding the ace of spades, but not blocking AX hands by holding AA with an ace on the flop? And what are these overvalue hands you speak of?
@@EllieBanks3337s and Js considering the pre flop
This is a 100% call. Tight 4bet ranges and only 3 combos of flushes that show up to the river (KQs, 87s, 76s) and 6 combos of lower sets (JJ and 77) I am calling every time. Sometimes you just lose in poker even when you make the “right” decisions. Cooler.
I would even discard 87 and 67 somewhat; yeah, he had it this time but how many people really 3bet and call a cold- 4bet oop with these combos? And kq often also folds pre or on the flop.
As you said, just a cooler
re: the flop, I almost feel that checking looks stronger than betting. If someone checks in this spot against me my first thought is "did he flop a monster?", because I'm expecting a c-bet. But then again I am no pro.
Didn't hero 4bet and he's in position?
You can never fold here. There is so much money in the pot already if you fold when villain could absolutely be value raising worse it would be insanely bad. This guy wasnt kidding about running bad damn
Damn that is a sick cooler man
Aside from some crazy live read, I can never imagine folding this. Interesting commentary on the hand! Thanks Bart.
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Because of the 1/3 bet on the flop and the 1/2 on the turn; it’s not unreasonable to show up with few more backdoors such Ts9s, 8s7s, 7s6s as well as the other broadway ones KsQs, KsTs and QsTs. Now you gotta ask how many of those call the 4bet pre and that very much player dependant in regards to villain
Mandatory snap call, JJ should shove to get value from AK.
BART your hand analysis is second to none. I like how you don’t shame people even when they are wrong. Very classy
Ouch. When Hero mentioned his Turn bet, I was thinking it was too small to get BDFD to fold, and too small for Hero to potentially jam river if the flush didn't complete, I would bet pot or maybe over pot here. Lower sets would go nowhere, AJ would stick around and any potential flushes should really fold.
Hero could also Jam river when checked to.
On the river with those odds though, it's a call. Unlucky
What are you talking about getting flush draws to fold?? You don’t want flush draws folding out.
@@lakerfan1855 so You want them to complete their flush and win?
@@michaela2706ideally what you want is for them to pay a large price for chasing their flush draw, which they’ll miss 80% of the time.
But I’d agree with you that hero should go larger on the turn. Ax won’t fold and flush draws probably won’t. But we aren’t betting larger to get folds, we’re betting because we have the nuts and want to get more money in the pot.
You're missing a ton of value if you're going over pot on a board this dry with top set, especially after a card that could give you top 2 or second set comes on the turn. People can so easily fold all draws and all top pairs.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj that's why I said bet pot. If someone calls with a flush draw they're getting the wrong odds, which means You profit
Spot is way closer than Bart and everyone in comments is giving credit for. Not a single convincing bluff combo was named (especially holding As), so we’re basically just evaluating if we beat value; I’d also note this river jam sizing is almost never a bluff in my experience. You lose to KQs, KTs, 76s, 78s, and even potentially partials of other suited gappers around the 7. You beat JJ and maybe slivers of 77 (I highly doubt mid pocket pairs with low playability and equity realization OOP even call hero’s 4bets) but to be realistic I think a high proportion of those combos are check raising turn to try and cooler hero hands that are never folding turn but might check river… Ax of spades and your own combo draws (broadway spades). Leaning towards close fold because you’re probably only beating 1 combo of value out of 5-6 that take the call call check jam line.
It’s a snap call . No questions asked
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Before the reveal you simply have to call because he can be doing this jam w value as well. Also you having As cuts down on many combos of flushes
I like the flop bet and sizing here. If you had A/Q or A/K you would certainly c bet. This could also induce him into betting the turn. The problem I have here with checking the flop and then looking to check raise or to bet on the turn seems to me that it would make it easier for them to put you on pocket aces and lose value. I think betting is more polar than betting big on the turn or raising the turn.
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Unpopular opinion; I'd have checked back the river. Has blocker theory vanished? I've never been a big advocate of it, but here we have a heads up flop holding AA and the flop comes AXX. Villain is unlikely to have AX right? Doesn't 77 raise with some frequency? Does JJ always continue? And when it does continue & binks a set on turn - it does not raise? Now how about 97 87 76 and maybe 75? [and for Negreanu fans T7] 3 of the four suited varieties have backdoors and the chance to hit 2 pair or trips on turn. The reason to bet the river here is for value & I get that, but it's why I thought hero's sizings were too small [especially on the turn - as Bart points out].
I personally think a big leak for a lot of players is assuming their opponents will simply call down triple barrels with marginal hands on a regular basis. And particularly here where hero blocks a bunch of marginal value hands. Not only is AX blocked heavily, but some AX seems even more unlikely because of the way the action went. Does villain have much AK or AJ here? Maybe AQ or AT looks us up with some frequency I suppose.
Finally, what bluffs does villain really have here? We know he does not have the ace of spades. Why check jam JJ here when hero can have the flush or AA easily?
If I had bet this river, given the pot odds & our strength of hand, I think we must call. What other hand would we ever have here that is better to call with?
I eagerly await the flood of replies telling me I'm dumb....💋
Your comment did make me think. The stack size hero gets to the river with does cause an issue. If hero only had $1200 left I think you have to just jam the $1200 because I don’t see AK/AQ folding. And there’s got to be some slow played AJ/JJ sometimes right?
But the problem here is, even if those hands call, the flush combos will jam and hero will be forced to call the raise.
So by betting, we win an extra $1200 vs AK/AQ/AJ/JJ but then we lose an extra $2700 vs flushes.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj I get what you're saying & it's a fair point. But I'm not fully on board because I think in terms of what villain is *likely* to have. And again, both in terms of blocker theory & the way the action went in the hand, I think villain holding AX or 77 is highly unlikely. Whereas villain holding 7X that picks up the backdoor on turn makes perfect sense & is completely unblocked. Now JJ is unblocked and makes some sense, although I think there has to be some raise frequency on turn with that holding. We are also "hoping" that villain hit the perfect unlikely turn card for us to felt him. So to my mind we end up playing the river based on what we hope villain could possibly have despite blockers & action tells. Instead of being properly cautious about villains most likely, unblocked, and action fitting holding are.
@@EllieBanks333 'blocker theory' is jut combo counting. You have given him 5 flush combos, i think that is far too generous since 3 bet calling with T7, 97 and 57 pre flow would be terrible. With the pot odds hes getting he only needs to find 1.5 combos that he beats to make this a call even with that far too wide range of flushes. Its like the easiest call of all time and im surprised this made the CLP call in let alone the youtube channel
@@danielbluebisson Wait a minute.. it sounds like you are defending the call on the river, not just the bet? Is that correct? I'd have thought I'd get some pushback saying hero needs to value bet the river, but not the calling the jam part. What are villains bluffs supposed to be? Is it supposed to be an over-value? What is that, JJ? Hero is getting like 4 to 1 on river here right? I'd be quite happy to lay 10 to 1 this is not JJ. Are we pretending this is AJ? In order for this villain be check-jamming he has to have a bluff, which is usually a missed draw, or an over-value. Look back at the flop, it's A 7 2 rainbow. There is no draw. It's as dry as it could ever be. The last thing we should put villain on is AX. Hero has 2 aces in his hand & there is a third on the board. Whereas 7X makes perfect sense.
P.S. You seem to think people are robots. I gave the reason it could be T7s. You ignored it because you assume everyone plays a "mathematically correct" range. You post also implies that playing 76s here is reasonable, but 97s is not. Get serious! And using pretend math gets you some terrible decisions like thinking 4 to 1 makes this a no brainer call. I don't think hero wins this 1 in 10 times, let alone 1 in 5.
I think preflop I go to $400-$450. Flop 1/3 then turn Pot or bigger. The small preflop and flop sizing really sets us up for a wide range to come along.
So you have had AA, KK and QQ six times and Cracked every time at a "HomeGame"?? Maybe this Home game isn't on the Up and Up?
interesting point
Parks in NYC isn't Homegame
@@cafe100mph6This wasn’t Parx
@@cafe100mph6Parx is near Philly
Was about to say the same... Be careful with these "Home" games
And I’ve been looking for a NYC home game for so long now
this was a smaller flush cooler all day long (or at least all afternoon)
16:26 if I’m the villain my Kx of diamonds hands would be the natural floats as I want nut flush draws, getting over-flushed vs the A high is a disaster. The main spade flushes that make sense to me would be 67s and 78s. The odds are crazy good and we beat a little value. It feels bad and I expect it to be losing often but I probably call as we know this villain plays higher and is maybe* splashing.
"That is poker" Top set blocking the nut flush with those pot odds is a call and, sometimes, a painful loss.
would 3-4ss call down to the river?
Great hand. Have to call that river. Like Bart said, it's poker.
To me the villain played that hand about as terribly as he could all the way through the turn. The only Street he played it well was on the river. If someone's going to cold call your preflop 4- bet with medium suited connectors, and then keep calling when they accidentally hit middle pair shitkicker, just thank the lucky Stars that you get to sit at a table with a player that shity
78 suited has more equity than AK
You clearly don’t play deep stacked.
Close spot. One is a 6k mistake, one is a 1500$ mistake. I'm calling.
17:52 If AxKs is not a bluff-raising hand, why is any non-nut flush a raise-for-value hand?
There’s really no bluffs here. The villain is either over valuing 77, JJ, AJ or has the flush. 78 or 76 seems very possible and more likely than a Broadway spade hand.
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I put the guy on exactly 8s7s right before he did the reveal. I feel smart now.
(I would have called anyway)
thats a rough one
To be fair, i think its easy to overvalue how important it is for us to have the As blocker to the nutz. This isnt PLO of course, this is a deepstacked bloated 4 bet NL hand with a low SPR, where villain will have no problem jamming other flushes on this kind of runout. As proven by him tabling the 78s, he likely also has 67s,K10s and KQs.
Not saying i would neccessarily fold here, but imo its not a very important factor for us to have the As in this spot.
On today's episode of when they bet the river they have it.
I like 750 on the turn. It's a stronger play.
SC’s play great in 4bet pots. This is just a pure cooler, pay dat man his maney
Pausing before the reveal.
There's is only one logical combo that beats you here and that's KQ ♠️. Nothing else make sense. When you factor in you beat all bluffs(obviously) and a lot of vaule like AJ and 7's and J's. This seems like a no brainer call.
Edit after reveal. That's just a tough spot after a terrible run out. But I think you have to call there. That's a very loose call on the flop. I actual don't hate the call preflop with suited connectors. Only thing I would do is bet larger preflop with A's having to play out of position.
AA was in position against BB
Given that it is a 4 bet pot and the player's range is so tight, the opponent could very well be over-valuing AcJc, Ac2c or Ac5c. Because those 2 pair hands really only lose to exactly AA. Sometimes to JJ, but a lot of players do not cold 4-bet JJ.
Guys are not check jamming the river at these stakes with 2 pair when the 3rd spade comes in, especially with hero holding the nut blocker. I’ve played 5/10 for a living in Vegas for many years… I can assure you villain never has 2 pair here.
I will also say this..Considering stack depth and hero’s bet sizing on previous streets, this hand is closer to a fold than people might think.
If you have lost with 6xAA in a row call it a night man.
#1 you are tilting and don't know it.
#2 your image is terrible making it more difficult to bluff.
#3 the quantum fields of the universe just aren't aligned with you tonight.
#4 the players might be in positions and playing in a way that makes it more difficult for you to make money and skyrocketing the variance up.
#5 you might be in a rigged game if this is a game you never been at.
put #5 into position 1. After watching a Card Mechanic work, I will NEVER play for any kind of decent money in a Home Game. It doesn't even take a Mechanic to be cheated in a unregulated game.
#6 You at a home game and you've been dealt big pairs 6 time and they've all been beat. He might be about 4 hours late figuring that this home game is not on the up-and-up.
@@danielmeuler2877 I've been to 3 rigged home games. All of them were collusion where you would bet, get raised, then rereaised..... when I folded they both had air. I quite promptly within 30m. Never again going to a home game.
The 1500 jam on the river is super sus. It’s definitely not a bluff. So if he had value on flop or turn villain would probably have raised at some point.
Bart is smart
wow imagine not knowing poker, ya boi would've snap folded
Might have been an interesting call if we didn't have the A spades
People do such crazy shit live that if I can ever beat a possible value hand, I don't fold thick value. He can absolutely have 77 and JJ and there's way more of that than KQ of spades (I think it's a pretty massive stretch to think 99.9% of people get here after the four bet and flop bet with KT, QT or Q9 suited. Then again, he got there with 87 of spades which is just awful - he's full punting every street including the river, honestly (should lead and maybe shouldn't even jam if he doesn't).
How is this a "hard one"? Easiest call ever
Yeah, I think it is purely a combination of hero lost and that he was calling down against value all night (which btw the fact that he has been call stationy makes this even easier because the players trying to take advantage of that will go thinner, so AJcc might suddenly be possible). There is no way you can fold here even if you assume villain is never bluffing and 100% has flush or JJ.
Hey caller, a block bet is only done out of position.. if you are IP, then Bart calls it a reverse block.
bart, I’m yelling at my phone like why u betting that size! get valueee
This seems like an easy call. Villain never gets to the river with any bluff combos but there are only 5 combos that beat hero (KQss, KTss, QTss, T9ss, 98ss) and there are 12 value combos that hero beats (AJo, JJ, 77, 22). I will say that the live read of villain raising his eyebrows immediately led me to believe villain had the flush but I still would have called.
your betting gave him the ofdds to chase the flush
7s8s is the nuts. What's he 4! with KsQs?
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I accidentally called with AA while i was eating another player raised than 2 more people called . Flop was Q X X player bet i just call next player raise then call call . I just folded because i hate eating and losing a big pot . The winner had a flush and scooped.
I accidentally called with AA while i was eating another player...
if he has ten 9 he has implied odds to call ur making it easy for him
It's gross with the ace of spades you know he isn't bluffing the nut blocker so that leans me to a fold if it was just one pair or a weak 2 pair but top set to a backdoor flush I think I just pay him off.
Fish get lucky sometimes too
Knew it was going to be that hand. Only that or JJ made any sense.
Exactly, when considering even 6s7s is not within opp range
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Easy call.
Villain can have JJ/77/AJ.
Yeah, he can have a flush, but beating plenty of value, let alone bluffs.
I would not have let him get to the river. I would have gone all in on the turn.
no way im folding here in fact im all in
Congrats to the guy with the 87. You Got BALLS 🏀🏀
Not balls, just an idiot that loves lighting money on fire
Call. Curse variance. Reload.
he only does it 34 spades
He’s just an idiot. Clearly he does it with 78s and regardless this dude played like a moron and just got lucky
If hero had put in a small blocker bet on the river and villain had gone all in, wouldn't it have been easier for hero to get away from it?
But that appears to be results oriented. Bc it’s possible that a blocker appearing bet could induce the villain to turn his hand into a bluff.
@@datsumcrzysht Also the smaller you bet the more JJ should be raising as opposed to calling. Unless hero bets like $200 into the $2000 he always has direct odds to call .
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I mean I can see someone using a blocker type bet to intentionally induce a bluff but not for the purposes where OP is using it to bet fold.
@@datsumcrzysht I agree that would make much more sense (though I wouldn't love it here either)
I think villian thinks hero is bluffing the flush
ur giving him 4 to 1 on the turn if he has 2 spades easy call
34 diamonds?
Just not Hero's night....
you should of bet 50o on flop had you raised to 600 pre flop you could of bet 1000 on this flop and got all ur money in by the turn
This is how I run all the time
he has 75 diamonds
(spoiler avoid)
If I'd already been running bad and then this happened I'd be taking a walk. God almighty. Had to give us the Ace of spades too, naturally.
Just pay
you should of 4 bet to 600
If they thought he was a calling station its never a bluff. But they could've had a set or 2 pair. It's just a crying call.
RELOAD
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Easy fold river, didnt beat anything & gl to find a bluff here, always 7s Xs
I agree that it is hard finding a bluff on this board while hero holds the As? You don’t think villain jams with set of 7s and Js for value too? He is jamming the 8 high spades when hero has higher flushes in range l. This is a 4 bet pot pre so the ranges are very very tight. What spade combos does villain show up to the river with here? KQs (maybe he floats flop), 78s, 76s. That’s 3 combos. He has 6 combos total of lower sets (JJ and 77). They are playing $2/5/10 stakes very deep. Maybe I find a fold at $1/3 against a passive player. But if he jams 77, JJ have to call. In my analysis of the hand I am always calling off. Even if he has no bluffs but jams lower sets I am winning 2/3 of the times.
@@christopherstack176 Even if we really want to stack things against hero and assume villain never slow plays 77 never bluffs, and has KTss + QTss in range in addition to the 3 combos you mention which has got to be pretty much worst case scenario for hero, you still reach the same conclusion of easy call because winning 3/8s the time is way better than the pot odds require.
Clearly the villain is a donkey, but that's poker. Rebuy and stack him the next hand.
Well, I guess villain is out to lunch.
I knew he had 87 flush. You guys are bad
Probably a rigged home game tbh, fwiw (for what its worth).
not much to learn from these uber-coolers
Besides bet sizing is very important by not giving the villain an enticing price to hit their draw, the hero could of won the pot on many occasions , the 4 bet should of been a lot bigger, if the villain called still, the flop bet should have been bigger as well. Giving someone a good price to hit a draw usually ends up bad for you. Gotta make them pay to play 😂
Other than he was playing pot control the entire hand with the nuts. I thought you were supposed to build big pots with big hands, not give great odds to not great players.
Agree with Monte and Trinity here
@@montezuma6962 Top set is slightly tougher to do that with than middle set though, just because you block so many of their natural calls. Still would have bet a bit bigger on turn but flop you still want calls from pocket pairs.
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