How NOT to Play AK: Learn from These Mistakes
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- Bart explains how there are not many bluffs in this scenario and he breaks down his thought process on why he thinks multiple mistakes were made throughout the hand. If you've ever struggled with getting committed to a pot, this call is a must watch.
0:00 - Intro
1:23 - Preflop
2:37 - Flop
4:00 - Turn
14:32 - River
17:48 - Hero Decision
17:50 - Reveal
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Can you see why turn check raises for this sizing on an ace high board are rarely ever a bluff making this a great spot to make an exploitable fold?
Easy turn fold against recs for the reasons said.
Yes Bart I for one can see why,, range advantage hero
easy fold. Why "exploitable"?
@@pot_kivach160after hero bets £125 on turn the pot is £505. Villain raises to £300 so he’s risking £300 to win £505.
It’s exploitable because it’s a 3 bet pot. If hero is folding AK to the turn check raise then he’s probably only calling with AA, TT and maybe ATs. That’s 8 combos. Whereas AK alone is 12 combos (let alone AQ or other hands hero might have)
So hero is folding way over 2/3 of the time which means villain can just do this check raise with any two cards and exploit hero.
@@pot_kivach160because in a vacuum if you are folding AK on this board to a call and then check raise turn then you become insanely exploitable, anyone can just run over you by calling flop and then check raising turn with anything because you will fold so unbelievably often.
That being said this spot is insanely underbluffed in live poker because it is an ace high board in a 3 bet pot, because of the range advantage by the 3 better, people do not bluff nearly enough. Therefore it is an exploitable fold
At low stakes rec games, a check raise on 4th or 5th street is almost always the effective nuts. It is so rare for this to be a bluff that you can just accept the very rare cases where it is a bluff. You should basically always fold one pair here. One thing to be aware of is that players in this game will occasionally overvalue a hand. This usually happens when they have a straight and you have a small flush or they have a set and you have a higher set. But with one pair, you can safely fold basically 100% of the time. Obviously don’t show or let any know that you are doing this.
Agreed, my local room(decent poker room in so cal) when the first to act shoves on turn/river they almost always have it because let’s face it the rec players will almost never bluff shove the river even if paired because they don’t know how to get value from A-x hands and they pretty much turn their hands face up, however I’ve also never seen 1/2/5 in California, so wtf do I know
I agree the turn was were the decision needed to be made to either jam or fold. There's little chance you're folding on most rivers.
When I saw the video title I was thinking this was going to be a hand where Bart would explain that AK is not magical, but that's not necessarily this actual hand. My thoughts on this hand are that hero's sizing's are all poor. Bart addresses these; pre-flop is too big, flop too small, turn too small. As to the decision point, this is just a simple fold unless we think villain is so aggro and/or loose that we cannot fold strong hands against him in particular. The callers decision is the worst possible option. Given the SPR's this is never going to be a check on river. Villain would have to have exactly QJcc & also decide the play is check-raise turn & give up on blank river.
Happy new year Bart
I wish you and fam a great growing & productive 2024
Early morning upload happy new years bart!
I knew it was pocket 6s
The small check raise turn is usually nutted because the combo bluffs usually just spaz ship their stack rather than click it!
Usually it’s hard to put someone on a set but this was definetly a spot to. Was 90% sure villain was going to show up with 10s full. 6s full was the only other hand 😂
Especially when the board pairs
Villain played it tricky. Most villains would raise on the flop on a dry board.
Sick spot on the turn because of sizings
great play by play :D
Pausing after the river card. I will say the Ace is important not because it improves the heros hand but it reduces the amount of combos of A9 and A10. So it's less likely the villain has those holdings. So it's more likely if you're losing it's 10's maybe to a lesser degree 6's and maybe even lesser degree 9's.
It only blocks ATs if we believe V doesn't have offsuit combos, which I think is a good assumption. If we're making that assumption there was only AsTs and Ad9d anyway.
@88mphDrBrown Soon as I unpaused Brat addressed the issue. I agree it's unlikely but the villain had been aggressive and at these limits players aren't nearly as good as you would think. Not sure if that's true in the UK. Only played at this particular casino once. But over all it does reduce the combos of A9 even if we don't think there should be any offsuited combos, just something to consider when you have to make a tough call.
@@thaThRONe yeah he brought it up after I wrote my comment too. I buy the open but flatting 20 to 110 out of position with ATo/A9o is torching money. I don't think many people are that bad.
Wound up back here for a rewatch. This is a pure fold. Hero simply beats nothing at all. Against a LAG, you could argue for a turn jam. But mostly a really easy hand where AK is exposed.
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Watch his videos old school value .
U literally dont know the definition of the word "literally".
910 Will call from sb under those conditions in 1/2. A good but sometimes frustrating thing.
7/8 of clubs makes sense too. Flopped flush draw and gut shot straight. Turn gave you the straight
I fast forwarded through all the talking to see the hand read out. Checking back the turn seemed like the play in my brain (of course I know something bad is going to happen because of spoilers but regardless.)
Here's some logic.
1. If you're getting trapped (and you are in this case), your opponent is very likely to bet small on the river because he doesn't think you have an ace. This is especially true because a 2nd ace comes out on the river. You have slightly less than 2 to 1 stack to pot ratio and he's likely to not bet more than 1/3 of the pot or maybe 1/2 maximum targeting KK or QQ. You've saved 540 wonderful euros!
2. If he's drawing, yes, he's getting a free draw. However, he's going to have real incentive to bluff a missed draw on the river... maybe not so much when a 2nd ace comes out but there are players who will bomb a big bet bluff on that river to rep an Ax suited type hand and make your pocket pair fold. In this case, you make MORE MONEY by checking the turn. Also, if he HITS that draw, it's very likely he would call your turn sizing of 1/3 anyway and in THAT CASE, you save money. As noted in #1, he's likely to downbet his hit draw and you're going to save 500+ euros again!
3. If you're ahead (such as maybe he's got JJ, QQ, AQ, a slow played KK, or some other showdown value pair) then your check looks pretty polarized. Either you're playing pot control (as you are), you're giving up with a KQ suited type hand, or you're trying to get to showdown with your own pocket pair. He's very likely to lead out a hand containing that case ACE in which case you're ironically going to end up NOT MAKING more money. This is because you missed value on the turn against the case ace, but if he has a pocket pair then he's going to be in a bad spot when he checks the river. How can you have AK when the 2nd ace comes out? You're going to get a call and make more money!
By the way, I play for money and I am a winning player. No ego. No delusional desire for acceptance. No poker coaching school. Just facts. Soooooooooooooooooooo you can take my lines for what they're worth. I don't make any money talking about the game, I do it for the community. Thanks for reading.
An important side note is that a 1 pair hand in position is rarely good for 3 streets of value. Using a "stop and go" type betting pattern is helpful to pot control against traps and confuse your opponent as to the true strength of your hand. In the case of the noted "... one of the more aggressive players at the table..." you generally need to realize that aggro players LOVE to trap. Some of them are so readable to the point that all their leads are bullshit aggro pot steals or pressure moves and half of their checks are some kind of trap or slow played top/top type hand trying to induce bluffs.
You need to enter the leveling war against aggro players. YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST. If you do not, they will ALWAYS have an edge. The best example I can bring up are the things mentioned by Johnathan Duhammel during his wsop win, where he talks about getting into raising leveling wars and that he enjoys playing back at people. There are some players who I am ready to float with very marginal equity because I know a lot of their leads are weak and they are wary of sandbag traps. In those cases, I'm going to jam or make big river bluffs (please note I am primarily a tournament player) because I'm also going to take those lines WHEN I ACTUALLY HAVE IT against aggro players.
Also, as noted above, when they check to you in position, you need to adjust for traps and be willing to give up some value in order to avoid them. It is a leveling war that is defined by pot control, aggro pressure from multi-barrel bluffs, bluff induction, and psychotic pot sized (or bigger) river bluffs to push them off the winning hand polarized with max value river shoves.
I like this hand breakdown, Bart made some excellent points but so did the caller. The V preflop action was pretty weak. I was expecting TT not 66. A small raise to 20 and calling an above average 3 bet knowingly heads up seems inappropriate for 66 imo.
Obviously, villain is terrible no matter what his hand happens to be. Only 4x in the sb after 3 limpers...
normally the gto strat is to bet small on the turn then normally bets pretty big on the turn to kinda fix the pot geometry for a river shove
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@y-sdahms212 it's what the solver does
You should reread yourself.@@danielhenry6777
Bart..would you consider ever doing a video on controlling nerves/anxiety @ the poker table? I’ve been playing for years now but I still to this day find myself feeling my heart rate going way up in certain hands, it’s literally impossible that I’m NOT giving something off! I think it may be a bigger problem than what guys talk about! How the hell are you guys staying so cold in these spots?!?!
I had this problem also, it basically stopped as soon as I was properly bank rolled. Making a hard call is a lot easier when you have 3 dozen more buy-ins.
In before the reveal, I think villain has pocket 10s or jack queen of clubs. I think hero will likely call and get bad news.
Aha great video =)
A of spades does in fact reduce the value portion of v's range beyond just the counterfeit combo, because A10s-A6s are no longer possible, so not exactly a blank but once we choose turn call instead of shove there's no way we can fold river when v's value range is basically just 4 boats (v won't have 1010 imo) so we only need to find 1 combo we beat
Villain can totally have 1010. No reason to assume that any idiot who only 4x from sb after 3 limps can't show up with any "good" preflop hand.
@@cj7139i mean that's why I said in parentheses imo.. you are entitled to your opinion. If your opinion is winning you piles of bbs across large samples than that's all that matters
Before I see the river, I'm saying "10-9 of clubs", only because I've seen TAG players do this in limped pots and they are closing action so they play suited connectors against suspected high pocket pairs and play well post flop when they hit outright or get a good draw. In this case, both as the SB would have 2nd pair and a flush draw to boot.
On the river, with his shove I'm thinking A-9 diamonds. He has to know that you have Ace-x (ace king/ace queen) and he know he has you beat.
Reminds me of that time I rivered the nut flush draw and semi-bluffed my opponent for value. Kinda risky, but the river card binked my rep range for the bluff shove- and I’m always checking back rivers for protection and deception
You can't check back a river for deception... Once you check back the hand is over
@@thecinimod yea I see what you’re saying, but he might think I’m gonna bet, so sometimes ill check back, to balance my checking-back range, ya know?
Seems a little presumptuous that villain never has AdQ or AdJ. I think the biggest leak was not going 2/3+ size bet on Turn, easier fold when Villain x/r
Slight correction: it was only $175 to call the turm, not $275. So hero was actually getting about 5.5 - 1 on a call
We got down in the weeds many times here, and deep too.
Just finished adding up 2023 results. A leak in my game was calling down 3 bet pots with AK. At the river, still top top. But only one pair. I lost the most money in 2023 on hands just like this (plus coolers of course). Put a serious dent in my win rate.
You are talking about live poker, are you?
@@chrisko6439 yes, all I play is live. But I keep records of biggest hands each session. Won or lose. Plus a couple of games see same players so I keep notes on each of those player betting tendencies. Helps me fix in my mind how each plays. Then review those notes every six months. Players adapt and their style of play evolves.
And yet you forgot all the hands you won with AK
you got it!
@@justinhart7172 Read what he wrote - he specifically identified when he called 3 bets with AK, not all the other AK situations.
Does ace on the river not help the hero a bit more than what you said...
He now beats 9 10suited and also reduces the villans combos of A10 and A 6 suited
Bart talked about exactly that.
it does. River shove against two AA on board is sure sign that V is not afraid of. So: snap fold!! (monster under the bed is shaking it!).
"You're underbetting because the goal is to get it all in....faced resistance FOLD!"
Seeing so many comments criticising the bet sizes, to be honest if hero folds at the turn, he actually loses the minimum given the small bet sizes. The bet sizes would be great if hero has AA instead of AK.
Dumb question...but a piece of terminology I hear from Bart a lot that I don't know the exact definition of that makes a very big difference depending on what it means...please enlighten anyone:
What is "peace off" as Bart uses it? (Or perhaps I've heard the "peace out" variation too.) Not sure if it means drop out of the hand (I think) or to shove/go all in.
Piece off. It's the same as peeling. It means not really getting a favorable flop, but calling the C-bet anyway in order to see a turn. As you can see in this hand, the flop is bad for 99, but if villain had continued he hits his set on turn.
@EllieBanks333 how does that compare with floating? I normally associate floating when calling a c-bet with 2 over cards. Calling a c-bet on this flop with 99 is considered peeling since the odds are much lower but create a strong hand if hit?
@@NealBurkard-ut1oo I would agree that most people use floating as 2 OC's.
As to 99 on this flop, I think it's a bad peel. I think JJ is much better.
As Bart would say "remember that all this terminology is made up".
120 I'm good with that
I think the SB raise pre flop is very small. His call of Hero 3! Is a little loose (unless he puts Hero on his exact holding), but after the flop it’s game over. Villain played it well after flop and nothing Hero can do, except fold on turn.
I agree on loose villain call as he's only getting just under 10-1 implied odds to hit his set which is far too small, but what would you say hero's actual range is here? I had it 99+,ATs+,A5s,KQs,AQo+ which villain has almost 40% against, so would have direct pot odds to call. Not to say it's a good call though as it's obviously tough to get to showdown oop and realise the odds.
@@abody499 especially OOP it has got to be a fold I think you just never realize often enough with 66 and there is a reasonable risk of disaster when a fair percentage of the 3-betting range is higher pocket pairs (43% of the hands you listed). Worked out for villain this time though.
@qazzaqstan yeah the odds of an A and a 6 otf are about 1 in 3268 or 0.03% chance (if my calculation is correct), which is really what villain needs to happen to stack specifically AK/AQ although again, probably less chance of AQ stacking off than AK so it has to be the exact set up in this hand to work - very very bad odds for the villain. He got extremely lucky. That said, most competent players aren't calling there anyway.
Against that hero range I said, the villain is about 80% otf and 70% against what would call the xr ott, despite the potential for higher sets, so it's not so much the disaster of set over set, it's just the improbability of the perfect flop coming on which villain realises his implied odds.
But I was more interested in what people thought the hero's range might be. I dunno if more suited broadways would be in there raising it up in the straddle, like KJs QJs and maybe even lower SCs once in a while or ATo+, QJo+ type hands.
@@abody499 Incredibly easy auto-fold for V pre-flop OOP against the nearly 3x pot overbet. (Unless he's specifically targetting a huge fish/whale in the straddle.)
Bart mutters 'maybe a little big...3 limpers', but the limpers didn't call the $20, they only called $5. There's $42 in the pot when hero pours in another $105, aka half of a starting stack. 66 should look at that and think "He either has AK or a premium pair that has me crushed, *and* I'm OOP, forget this."
If small blind is willing to raise A9 and in this case 66, and call a reraise, hes definitely capable of doing it with T9, if anything T9 is better because it isn't dominated.
My Guess is he has pocket 10's edit: 66 was pretty close. I would of had a hard time calling the Flop. For sure am checking the Turn and would of never of called a river jam regardless of the paired Ace. In fact, it is Such a Strong move to jam on that board pairing Ace that I probably Snap fold.
You would have had a hard time calling the flop? Hero was the aggressor. There was nothing to call.
Checking turn is just losing a ton of value vs AQ/AJ.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zjyou forgot to disagree on folding river too
For some reason I thought he got check raised on the flop. I watched a bunch of CLP videos and I think I went back and commented on the wrong clip. If you notice the last part of my comment came after it was edited from my original comment.
Where i can call you for a hand ?
In 1/2 there is to many hands I lose to with this kind of aggressive action if he’s bluffing here then fine, I’ve been bluffed and exploited. You lose here more than you win. if he’s on a big draw is the only chance you have to have a little more equity and half the time he’s going to hit his draw this is a bad situation
is anyone actually able to do all this deep analysis live? Whenever I take a minute to try to think about this stuff at the table live and if I end up folding I get accused of “hollywooding”
Who cares what other players accuse you of? It's your money, take your time if you need to.
I've been playing poker for 20 years, and Bart is the only person I've ever known to regularly call the turn card "the come" 😂
Betting on the come just means betting on a draw
@@officeofpeaceinformation5094 Ah yeah! Proves my point even more that nobody else says it!
@@christian9387people say that all the time.
Bro he’s not calling the turn “the come” 😂. He’s saying he’s betting on the come meaning a draw. And yes it’s widely used 😂
Betting on the come is a poker phrase as old as time dude
Bruh, it’s fucking 1-2. These dudes call raises all day with literally anything.
I played at gardens but instead of AK ot was AQ A 10 * . The guy never calls a pre flop raise without at least 10 10 + . He called the Russe preflop and he called the bet on the flop. I knew he very likely had a big hand. I had talked to him about the angels and dodgers trade earlier this helped me confirm he had a big hand at the moment. I checked the turn he also checked the turn . I checked Rivr he bet i laughed and folded without knowing exactly what he bet .
I would of bet 300 on flop all on on turn
Without knowing if villain calls turn, I fold this. Hero's range reeks of AK and villain probably knows it.
Mike Tidman: “The truth always comes out on the turn.”
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I /ATdd/, pfr 3!bet, 2 callers; flop J7dd5s, I C-bet, one calls; TURN Kd, I CHECK (truth??), V shoves, I call. River 8x. V=AKo.
The overvalue of AK is INSANE, its a tournament hand and its meant to see 5 cards, if it does NOT see all 5 cards, it loses value immensely. It is also OFTEN a flipping hand, most people will not reshove AQ into your AK (obviously you need to ship AK vs players who overplay any ace). As a result of it always flipping, it only has 48% value, and in a raised hand that gets multiple callers you can be sure some of your aces and Kings are held in other peoples hands. Ignoring that, you are always on a losing flip. Vs KK, you are 30%, vs AA you are virtually dead. So what good does it do? Also when an ACE flops, MOST players are not going to call you down, unless they hit a set, thus you lose value to those that fold, and lose period to those that flopped a set. MOST OVERVALUED HAND EVER.
I never try to get the money in with one pair.
TPTK = the nuts
Ok this is the cardroom I went to when I was in London. Almost didn't get in because of the dress code.
No shorts allowed . Shoes can't have laces
@georgewbushcenterforintell147 It was early in the morning so nobody said anything.
1 pair = folding live to a lot of aggressiion for stacks. Pretty simple, 1 pair isnt a great hand
This a full house almost always.
There's zero combos of ATs on the river
Ace king has to bet 300 here
Your title is also wrong: how he played it was fine, theres just no getting away from that river for 99% of 1/2 players
175 to call not 275 to call
The sizings people use in live poker are so bad it makes me dizzy
I love poker as much as I love investing in stocks.
You need to be betting 300 on flop
Respectfully we did not need that long of an explanation for the river. We aren’t calling every river but that is a river that is a R.I.P gentleman we aren’t folding 5 to 1 with trip aces with top kicker. If he wanted to fold he should’ve done it on the turn.
Stereotypically speaking y’all are giving 1/2 players waaaay too much credit for making rational decisions…
Crying call on river
you make no sense,you want to build the pot to setup a jam and now fold.