How to Know When NOT to Bluff Big
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2024
- In this video, Bart discusses a 4bet pot scenario where the caller has to decide if continuing on for a river bluff will be profitable or not. Factors like the assumed ranges, villian type, remaining stack sizes are all weighed to come to a couple possible logical options. Watch to see the thought process in action.
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0:00 - Intro
1:21 - Preflop
3:42 - Flop
6:12 - Turn
8:32 - River
12:41 - Hero Decision
12:43 - Reveal
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Would you have bluffed river in this spot? Why or why not?
lol
hard no
Absolutely not. No matter how good of an image you think you have, they have too many strong hands here that they will just not fold, and they will chalk it up to a cooler if have it. Even AA doesn’t want to take this line, since they have to worry about opponent having QQ or JJ in a 4 bet pot. What hand is calling flop and calling all the way down to river that hero gets value from, and what hands would call a flop and turn bet that villain would fold by river.
No way! The villain called sizable flop, and turn bets informing me he had a pocket pair, or at least had me beat at showdown. No way is $1025 going to stop the villain from calling on a $2800 pot even if his hand was pocket 7's, 8's etc. He would need to have air like the hero, and that was highly doubtful at this point.👍😎✌🗽
No.
I lost it at "this guy is scared of me" 😂
Haha and had to clear up that he is a wild Asian shortly after to set the record straight
Such an insecure dousche
The moment a person says that, they lose all credibility
Am I the only one that hears the Arrogance of the caller threw the phone?
Yes, through the phone as well.
Your are not the only one, this guy thinks he’s Gods gift to poker
@@jaywindley Threw and through it is.
Absolutely; but I think it is more arrogant and foolish for people to find it necessary to point out a grammatical or spelling error.
Silly humans.
Spent the whole video booking my flights to Florida. What a game.
As soon as he said “this guy is scared of me” after he said villain 3-bet him from the SB and then called his 4-bet, I had a strong feeling that villain had a big pair. If villain thought his hand was good enough to call a 4-bet pre-flop then there’s no reason that he should think that low flop helped the hero at all. When a typically weak player shows a lot of strength PF then I don’t think you can bluff them off many hands on a flop like that. Hero is repping big pairs and over-cards with his 4-bet.
I don’t blame the hero for trying to take it down on flop and turn with a bluff when he knew it was the only way to win. It was smart of him to give up on the river.
From my personal experience, I’ve found that older players LOVE to slow play against younger players. They don’t worry about letting you see a free card. They assume that you will try and bluff and they let you do all the action. I’ve learned that I need to check back a lot of my hands to avoid this. When they learn that you will not fall into their trap, they will start betting more for value.
yup u got these donkies that limp in with KK just so they can trap u. the counter to that is just check it until u got the nuts and then value bet the hell out of them. had a guy limp in with KK, i hit two pair with junk hand. stacked him by the river and was like well u shouldnt have limped in cuz i would have folded to good raise. stupid donks.
Well said. As a younger poker player myself I completely agree. The flip side of this is that when we smash the flop vs this range of big pair, we can get paid off nearly every time. These older players, from my experience, can never find a fold vs younger players even on the scariest of run-outs, for the exact reasoning you mentioned. "This young guy is trying to bluff at me on this scary board. Call!"
@@brandonloehle4304 Nothing is better than getting max value from medium strength hands that connect on a low board.
After listening I go back to him saying villian only puts it in when he has a good hand. Hero did what he thought he would do, keep betting for him.
I dont even think AA jams river here in a 4bet pot imo his only value is QQ. If hes a "bad reg," why are we trying to 4bet bluff him when his range likely contains only value when 3betting in this spot? Your making his strategy good. I think the way to exploit him is to give him no action or if you do blast him off on the boards he cant have strong hands on. I bet if you node locked a bad reg 3betting range into a solver, a range only containing value, the solver would throw the A5s into the bin.
Thanks
Would that be you bet size with aces?
imagine being the villain in this hand. Holding KK out of position and getting 4bet pre. Zero percent chance I’m 5betting if I’m opponent. This is a textbook check call for everything hand. I don’t know shit about solvers but that’s ok 🙃
160 bb deep, I'm reraising small to $500. Then I'll have 1 pot bet going to the flop.
@montezuma6962 what do you expect to get called by?
@@joncorb540 pocket AA!
Hero says he’s been running the table over and so might be able to get the guy to fold KK.
Wouldn’t that mean villain is way LESS likely to fold kings?
Unless by “running the table over” he just means on a heater and has been showing up with loads of thick value hands, but that’s not how I usually interpret the term.
He was on a heater and he plays aggressive anyways. In the call he said something like "in all of my showdowns so far I had it".
@@88mphDrBrownfair enough I missed that.
I still think KK will level themselves into calling.
“This guy can’t have it again! He’s just trying to use his image to bully me off my hand.”
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj Agreed, I doubt there was much of a chance villain was folding. My guess is the villain was going to call any river that wasn't an ace.
Betting frequencies is a topic that gets less attention than it should. Innumerable times i have seen live players make hero folds against a player who frequently double and triple barrels and i am thinking to myself you just have to call there. (In this hand for instance if hero jamed the river, a lot of players might sigh fold kings, which is a big leak against an apparent LAG.)
I dont understand why so many people always feel compelled to go crazy with A5 suited.
b/c it's great for high adrenalin rush!
It's so dumb, ooooooh you can make a straight and a flush lol
@@jamiealexander7065 Overplaying it is dumb, yes.
It seems so condensed. With no draws there's no light floats after the turn. The only hands I can even think of that we'd be targeting is T's, 8's, or maybe AJs (very unlikely). He's got all 99-AA. A shove just seems like a punt.
Oxford Downs rules! Sometimes I prefer it to Hard Rock Tampa it's such a chill vibe
I watched a guy do a RUclips video of that retirement community. I’d love to retire there and take a golf cart to the poker room.
If caller honestly thinks he can get this guy off Kings, then in what world do you check back the river?
Sounds like a juicy game
Good thing you quit at the river! He would have called your $1025 easily! I would have quit on the flop, but I also wouldn't have raised preflop with A5s, and would have folded to the the villain's flop bet, losing just $105!👍😎✌🗽
The bet on the turn is just burning money! Give up and take your equity.
The effective stack size is too short. If the villian is deeper, I doubt he would be happy to call a hefty river with kings, when he beat exactly zero value hands from the hero.
Personally i dont think with this spr i would be jamming this river basically ever. I wouldnt also be in this spot so havent thought about it much tbh
If he's an OMC type of player, he's not folding an overpair.
I was up like 5k on the day … contemplate what he makes a year
why is the 78 suited a 4 bet fold always?? can someone fill me in
If you just call, you’re incentivizing the guy in the middle to call as well. Suited connectors play very poorly multi-way, especially being in middle position post flop. You’d rather 4bet to go heads up or win outright preflop, or fold to avoid going multi way
this guy is a total chad
Another great example of opening a weak ace running into trouble.
Yeah you should just fold them. Only raise aces!
He’s up 5k on the day though. He must make 500k a year there
you can just solver your way through the ether
@@justinhart7172 He's up $5,000, @ 3:00 people are scared of him, @ 10:00 he just runs over the table.... Probably makes a million/year🤣
yeah man never open suited aces unless it’s AA of spades
Could the villain have a suited 9 and fold it to an all in bluff? Maybe A-9 suited, 10-9 suited, or 9-8 suited?
For me its player dependent on my i think of hero. Tbh if i think he a decent player and certain tbl dynamics and im calling 9s plus with this sizing
Also depends how many 9x hands defend to a 4-bet pre. The fact that 9-8 lines up poorly against AK could create some more folds there. I would still expect them to have some for sure just a question of how much of their range.
Didn’t he say the other players were all OMCs? Not expecting them to show up with much 9x in a 4-bet pot.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj exactly so based off the question you'd be calling them since it's a so rare to be in this spot imo
With the way he described villain there's almost no chance of A9. That's such a terrible hand against a 4! range out of position. When an ace hits you're not getting much out of big pairs and you're getting milked by 16-24 value combos. T9s and 89s are possible, but they seem very unlikely. Very few people set themselves up to hold on with mediocre hands for stacks OOP against utg 4!'s.
Sounds like the caller was running great, surprised the board didn't come out all spades, and the villain of course has the king of spades. Bet, raise, all-in drawing just about dead.
That’s my conclusion. He said he was “running the table over” but also said that his image was great and he thinks he could have got the guy to fold KK.
Normally “running the table over” to me implies making loads of big bets/raises as bluffs. But if that’s the case V is never folding KK.
Rip Wil Keys you will never be forgotten
A good lesson in how to give away your money while imagining yourself to be a player.
The moment a caller calls other people "shit-reg" or some kind of "scared of me" type of braggings , i just loose all my respect for a guy like this. And also i made the experience on the poker table that when a guy talks like this about other people , he usually not gonna be that good of a player as he thinks , even if he has a solver at home😂
Sometimes I mean jus sometimes in poker you need not analyse the hand.. u can jus sigh " I did this to myself "
I wake up to find out there's a 5/5 BB ante daytime game at the Villages. I thought for a second I was having a wet dream.
Used to run on Monday but I haven't been there in years
In a four bet pot youre literally only targeting nines or tens when he calls turn after the Jack rolls off. I'm giving up here.
I played there a bit years ago but have a closer poker room i can go to now run by the same company. The play is by no means good but it is tougher than the villages crowd as there are a lot more younger players that have played or still play online. When i used to go to oxford downs they only had 2/5 as the highest limit and there was normally only 1 table of it running
If you understand how to use solvers you can make more money a lot easier than grinding a 5-5 game. And don't tell me you are free when you are chained to a poker table.
"Wild asian player between 20 and 60"
I love these GTO nerds who fail to read the table and dump their chips in an obviously losing spot with their FPS.
first i would have never 4 bett that hand, that is just lighting money on fire. most players don't bluff, its hilarious how ppl think bluffing happens often.
‘’This guy is scared of me ‘’
Why do u think hes calling so much then
I don't know much, but I've learned never try to bluff someone old enough to be your dad off top pair or an over pair!
Tf is 5/5 $5 BB ante? How is that any different than 5/10
Classic example of “when you think you’re the best player at the table”
Highest incidence of STDs in the U.S. of A. is at the Villages.
Well, they don’t have much longer to enjoy their life. So get it while you can.
We're playing against a bunch of old retirees. Why are we so invested in solver thinking when it comes to a hand like this? These old guys barely 3bet at all, their 3bet range is super tight, so just fold to the 3bet and move on. Of course he had KK. His 3bet range is probably QQ+ and AKs.
Caller got worked.
So a 5/5 game with 5$ BB ante. Sounds like a 5/10 game to me lol.
It's not quite the same actually. Limping in is $5. The big blind is only $5 live, the other $5 is posted dead. If someone raises to $20, the BB has to call 15 more, not 10 more.
@@jameswalker7420 yeah you are right I always forget that ante is dead money 🤑
Lmao "these guys are bad and scared of me but I barrel bluff 3 streets with a5 high and lost"😂
PS: you were never getting a fold from kings there. I've played that game @oxford many times
If he's not folding aces he's not folding kings
A5 so hot right now :/
Hero seems super arrogant.
Yeah bro, like he's like afraid of me bro. I'm like easily the best in thos room bro. So like Yeah, he's scared to like get in a pot with me bro. He's like a bad reg bro..... funkin dork...
Sounded like a total douche the entire call, I was hoping he called and got stacked out by the Asian dude
Caller has such an annoying voice.
Dudes vocal fry made this almost unbearable
What Yall mad he's NOT yalls Type??
Voice of a know-it-all who got caught. Still trying to sound like he’s the shit.
I learned to not bluff a drunk fool off his hand, yesterday. Luckily he gave it back to me.
"I was up 5k on the day".... How does that work if his stack is less than 5k?
effective stack is 1875 hero has 6500 in his stack but it doesn’t matter because villain is effective stack
He makes 1million a year 🤫
Bart asks for effective stack which was $1600 or so. The caller casually mentions after the fact that he's got $6500 in front of him..... I'll take gross exaggerations for $100, Alex🤣
@@justinhart7172 big assumption that he makes 5K every session based off of one session. Variance gets even the most consistent players. Plus doubt anyone making 1 mill playing poker is still at $5/5 in his local room full of retirees.
@@montezuma6962I’ll take you don’t know poker terms for $100 Alex.
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