GTO vs. Reality: Humans Do NOT Act Like Poker Bots in Live Poker
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2024
- In this video, CLP poker coach Nate (N8Ball on Discord) fires a triple barrel bluff in a spot where GTO would have give ups due to the fact the the villian should arrive at river with a lot of top pair. Nate makes the case that live cash game players do not play anywhere close to GTO. His logic is that many live players simply don't call off appropriately when the pressure is on.
If you can "live node lock" that your opponent folds top pair then over bluffing becomes profitable. Bart explains how top pair/top kicker is twice as likely in this spot due to Nate's specific hand and that you've got to be careful not to take street poker too far at the lower stakes.
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0:00 - Intro
1:00 - Preflop
1:26 - Flop
4:24 - Turn
8:01 - River
11:56 - Hero Decision
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Did Nate take the street poker too far? Thumbs up for yes. Thumbs down for no.
Isn't one of your other exploits overfolding rivers? So I imagine you would have folded any single pair here, too, including AQ or KQ.
Bart, don't encourage people to hit thumbs down 😮
What do I do if he went too far, but I hate the question?
I’m so confused.
@@stevezagieboylo9172 Would you fold AQ here?
It worked, we all know it's the right decision when they fold, and wrong when they call.
No reveal, no problem! When you go thru hand analysis this well. Keep up the good work Bart
"Right, absolutely, that makes perfect sense. I agree. "
"So what did you do?"
"Oh I jammed"
🤣 A tale as old as time
i would lean towards a give up here in the long run because i think the fact that this guy tanked for a long time and folded means that he probably had ATs or T9s and caught the backdoor draw on the turn and now he is really torn because you've polarized yourself and he isn't giving you that much credit for a strong hand at this point. so you just happened to run into a precise part of his range, probably the absolute bottom of his range at that point.
i believe if he had AQ or KQ he would have just tossed in one chip after tanking so long.
he must have been torn between "why would he bet so big, he probably doesn't have much" and "oh maybe he is going for max value because it's obvious where i'm at"
yes, now in V seat...with that kind of river bet sizing I'm never folding AQ, nor KQ here.Although, why AQ/KQ keeps calling (Flop n T) rather large bets?? I'd either raise or fold. Smaller kickers (J, 9, 8) just must've folded the turn. V was set to lay down the winning hand.
Villain will never fold top pair in Texas.
Then dont bluff in texas
I think we have a terrible hand for bluffing this river.
We block a lot of the flush continues on flop and turn, gearing opponent to having 1p+ hands.
When we take larger sizing too and still get called, I would be very wary of bluffing this river.
Villain has filtered out too many flush continues on the flop with our large sizing and is heavily geared towards Qx when called on turn, except for hands like ATss / T9ss, maybe some AsXs
Getting people to fold out strong top pairs in live poker is -EV imho
......especially on a board like this
so does this mean that, unless you're up against a nit, if you have AQ here, we should be mindlessly calling down here all the time?
Can’t believe he folded face up!
I'm having a hard time understanding why this jam is not a very + EV jam. Our perceived range that fires 3 streets is AA, KK, AQ, 10s, AJ-10ss, AKss, and KJ at some partial frequency (I don't know how many players would fire turn and river for that sizing without the redraw to spades). Our range is much more value heavy than not. We have 27 value combos and 11 bluffs if we assume KJ does this at 50% frequency (imo it does it much, much less). Opponents value range contains 10s, Q10 suited (3! pot not sure how many offsuit Q10 he has), AQ, KQ, and QJ and some sparse drawing hands that hang on. Given our perceived range I believe that KQ and QJ fold and AQ calls at low frequency as it only chops with the AQ portion of our value range. So 5 combos are always calling and 18 combos fold and 12 combos call at some low frequency (I would guess 25% so 3 combos). This is not including the bluff combos opponent has. How is this bluff just not printing?
I think the jam is strictly based on the type of opponent. Stations: check. OMC’s: jam Unknows: go with your gut
I remember seeing David Tran 3b 45o on the FT of a 2000’s WPT having a stone read on his opponent, totally validating the street poker concept described by Bart at the beginning
On the turn, if it’s the 6 of hearts, I like a check-back for hero to realize equity. When it’s the 6 of spades I think hero definitely has to keep bluffing, as he’s picked up more outs, and because he has a lot of hands he wants to bet for value the same way.
This hand definately feels like a give up blocking both flush and straight draws that will call call fold but really just comes down to if you think villian is going to be overfolding in this spot then jamming obviously becomes the best play. Knowing the player type becomes much more important than playing theoritically sound in spots like this because some people are incapable of folding top pair here and some will level themselves into thinking hero only has AQ+ and they ll fold anything worse.
i think villain had ATs or T9s
One thing I've picked up on and learned from these is how often it seems the goal is to have a pot size bet on the river. Is that always the goal? To try and pick hands that will play for stacks and structure it in a way to have a pot size bet at the river? Or is it only certain hands or certain stack depths? Is this more of a cash game style or tournament also?
What is the best play on the turn for hero to continue betting or check back here? If he bet 1/2 pot on the flop.
Great hand! Don't know about in-game but from the safety of my apartment I would've give up on on riv cuz chances are he's not folding a Q. For a moment I thought maybe we're also targeting AK but even if he somehow gets to riv with that holding, it's pretty much the only thing we'd get to fold and since we;'re blocking straight draw...CHECK!
Have a great day Bart Hanson.
12:30 depending on V profile:
Loose CS: I'm ripping it off.
Tight aggressive/passive types: I'm giving it up here. I don't see which draw he has (unless the same KJ??), nor which pair would he be folding to a bluff.
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Fun hand. Pretty standard up until the river, other than Nate taking pretty large sizing. On the river, I think this play works pretty often on lower quality players.
As to the reveal fun? We almost have one without seeing the cards right? V never really has Q9 or worse right? V did not have QT. Did V really fold AQ here?
I think we can say that Villain had 1 of 2 hands. KQ or QJ. QJ is probably "supposed" to be a fold here. I think KQ is "supposed" to call.
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We want to size down on the flop precisely so that we can keep weaker pairs in giving us the opportunity to bluff them off later
Call me crazy but I don’t like the flop sizing. Prefer half pot and then overbet turn. Don’t hate shipping River, although it’s very true that gto will probably want give ups here a lot.
its a mandatory check back. If you bluff with this you bluff too many hands
Weather to bluff comes down to player dependent. Some guys will fold a single top pair some won’t!
what about T9ss?
Who called clock on the player?
Um, one of the guys at the table...
Don't like the bet on turn..if villian jams we have an awful decision.
If hero wants to bluff river which i would just give up id suggest a small bet..make ir look like a vamue bet..eg 40% pot..
gettin check-raised on turn is certainly a small possibility but can't play scared so turn bet is fine imo
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Fair enough. My angle was he put villlian on top pair..which is the kind of hand that mighta shoved on turn ..
Why not see a free river to see if we improve then re asses ?
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These are fine no reveal, but shorts aren't. You miss all the details as to why he shouldn't bluff like this long form video. Then, on top of it there is no reveal lol.
Cajones of stones. Hard bluff there but at least he did put it all in and not give the villain pot odds to call. I don't think I would do that, but I am a semi-nit is spots like this. Good play!
Going all in gives him better pot odds to call
@@dennisdupuis1567 You get better pot odds to call when the first in bet is smaller than the pot. ex: $100 in pot, $50 bet. $50 to call gives 3 to 1 pot odds. $100 pot in, $200 bet, $200 to call gives 3 to 2 pot odds.
Well - you have position, and you almost certainly can't win by checking back...........................Bronx poker says you jam on the river.
The "there is no reveal" comments are insane. So many hands in poker don't make it to showdown - if you can't learn from poker hands without a showdown, you ain't learning very much.
What if villain jams the turn? Is it a fold? I've seen players call it down like its the correct play but im not sure the price is right?
If villain Check Jams u you fold
How can you fold that kind of a combo draw ever? You’re only in horrible shape to one hand really at that price
Sounds like scared money
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Finally someone realises that GTO is based on robots playing billions of hands against each other with prefect memory to play unexploitatively. That's why in UTG, you don't fold QQ UTG against a single LJ raise 15% of the time.
i agree with your first sentence. But if you are UTG with QQ why are you not open raising?
@@tipsy09 You are allowed to fold against the 3-bet, as the LJ vs UTG range is pretty strong. 😉
@@Badbentham wow
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@@Badbentham yeah. Please do.
I love how you take 20 minutes to describe basic logic 💯🤓🤡💩💩
post another no reveal video and I’m snap unsubing
bye
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