So a way to tackle this especially on somewhat higher stakes is you dont sit at the table you watch 20/30 hands if you can to avoid losing but with a hud its made pretty simple, especially if you have a good sample on the specific player
would love more animations in the video that ilustrate what fedor is explaining and less cuts. i dont need 2 camera angels of Fedor sitting on a coach with cuts every second 🌚
A lot of beating a nit player is just wasting time and getting them immediately on your left on table position. While they are ultimately beatable, it takes so long that it's not really a good profit strategy. Maniacs on the right, nits on the left.
Player type #12 the punter , special team player of the week every week , in multi table tournament they think they need to get a big lead in early stage to survive later in the tournament , these players are a limited resource and won’t be around too long for you to take advantage of.
Great content, but will be pretty much appreciated if you explain with video examples of certain plays and analyze from there, like how you do it for your other videos. Most of the time i couldnt understand what you are talking about here.
I think selfawareness and steadyness is what crushes souls. Image is all, and being able to perceive your own image is what is most important. When i was caught bluffing 2 times, i will bluff only 1/10 times instead of my usual 7/10 times. When i showed down multiple strong hands, i start bluffing even more. When i was caught valuebetting with a marginal holding, i can bluff over the top and just adjust the potsize to give them the idea that this one has to be stronger than my usual top pair on a coordinated board. There are so many twists and so many little things that give weight towards your opponent´s decision, you gotta keep track of what you do rather than looking too hard at what the opponent does. And while having this variety in your game, be sure to still have a foundation. Be steady. Dont stop 3 betting, dont stop c-betting and dont stop to go for value if there is value to be had. Sometimes you will raise a straight on the river, make it big and lose to a flush. Sometimes they will go all in, most of the times they will just call you. And when you bet on the river, ask yourself what bet you would call anyway in case the opponent bets, so bet exactly that. They just need to have a flush blocker and a pair to call you, and that is where calling ranges on the opponent side start.
i agree. especially at low stakes live, where people aren’t playing ranges or thinking about your range, i think image is everything. If they think you’re a nit (usually because you play normal opening ranges lol) you can get away with some otherwise psychotic bluffs. If they think you’re bluffing them all the time you can go big on value and get called down by people who are “tired of getting bullied”. etc etc.
Great video. I myself have 5 classes I color code players online in order from tightness, 1) tight nitty, 2) tight solid, 3) moderate, 4) fishy/loose/aggressive, & 5) the donkey loose/aggressive. When you watch how someone plays for a little while, you get a good feel for the category they fall into.
Theres one more above top reg. Its called Elite. Extremely few in that catagory. Im one of them. The difference isnt really a lot but there is a diffrence.
It would be nice if U add in the poker hands into the video, so the audience can visualize better n commit into memory after watching more than once :)
How would you classify the classic "Tight Aggressive" player? (plays higher ranges pre flop, plays aggressively post flop. Lots of value bets, bluffs plenty when the story is congruent.. ex: calls a raise with JTs, bets aggro early position on an AK3 flop.) Category 3? that's my style for about an hour typically in a cash game. Then I go about halfway to loose aggro presuming the tight aggro tale has been told sufficiently.
Fedor, would you play your best style wich you do against top reg players against nits and crazy loose players . If not why Fador, would you play the same style of play aganst crazy loose players, nits and calling stations wich you do against top reg players. If not why?
How you explained the solid regular was on point. There is simply no variation in their game, and it is somewhat easy to absorb them into your game. You just do 5x sizings where someone normally would do 3x sizings and they suddenly are forced to either get out of their comfortable game or leave the game. Eventually they are fed up and play your game, one they are unfamiliar with, with the twist that they have no clue what they are doing. And it takes a ton of hours to adjust to something like that.
Yup, what are they supposed to do? A lot of the time they are medium stacked while you are high stacked, so they have to basically commit to all ins which you they would never do with middle pair. Personally, I'm the solid regular that gets exploited by loose and aggressive players who have large stacks.
Hi Kevin! It wasn't mentioned explicitly, but when a play would be unintuitive to them with a certain part of their range, you can rule out that part of their range and play accordingly. For example if you know it is unintuitive for them to bluff on a certain spot and you see them betting, then you know they are value-betting and therefore you shouldn't call if you have a bluff-catcher.
It was very interesting ! Few days ago I had a Maniac in my table ( i'm a beginner), and even if i did win money ( 20BB, not many) i feel meeting him has weaken my mental. It felt so weird to me and i was frustrated because his play style worked during almost all my session. He finished by losing all but at one moment he had 660BB ( I never saw that in cash games before). Anyway, this video makes me realise it's time i care more about ranges and types of players. I was already doing so (and i remember to meet all the types of players mentionned in the video) but i need to do it more seriously. Especially to anticipate their ranges. From now i will classify my opponents thanks to the video. It was short and clear about what i needed to hear, thank you
honestly this might sound insane but i think the best way to learn how to beat actual maniacs is to play playmoney poker games like zynga or whatever. basically every 8/9 handed table will have 1-3 maniacs and usually pots go multiway which is how a lot of games with maniacs (who r usually in the smaller stakes go) it taught me how to be patient and fold at the right times and trap at the right times. What they really profit off of imo is tilting their opponents and getting them to overcall bc they “definitely can’t have it here”. The thing is most maniacs are smart enough to give up if you fight back and they have nothing. so if u fight back and they continue they probably have at least top pair. It’s much better to just wait until youre nutted and induce bluffs. That’s just how poker is. Yeah they might be up for 3.5hrs in a 4hr session but they really only need to lose one pot to end their session down. So just wait for that moment, if they chip you down reload so you can make the max profit when the time finally comes.
got this one maniac in my blub online... I know how to take care of him, but he is also such a luckbox.....last night he I raised 3BB from early with AQo two callers and then the maniac raises 17 BB from the button (tournament, off 100 BB effective) I fourbet push, he calls with KJ off and spikes a Jack. We play a lot in the club.. aware of each other... He knows I know, I know he knows I know.... I fold a lot to him, I've stacked him tons too...he is not in the mot in the top ten in the standings ( i'm third) and yet he has 33% more knock outs than anyone seen him get it in bad so many times and just suck out... really more than I win with Jacks, and that's a lot! just frustrating when it seems to happen more than it should.... everyone else sees it too, oh well, back to the battle, at least it makes for an interesting game!
You basically just don't make money off them, but if you do manage to get in a pot, bet small and frequently, if they raise or bet, get out of there. They're likely to give up hands that miss the flop even to small bets. If they're truly nitty and not tight aggressive, you basically can nickel and dime them down reliably but it's slow and boring.
This is all theoretical. In real life, most hands involve multiple players with different styles. So if you're at the turn with one calling station, one nit and another style, playing the correct strategy against the calling station becomes the wrong strategy against the nit and you're the one that becomes exploitable. So whats your strategy when you are faced with multiple different types of players pre-flop to river?
There is no proven theory for these spots but IMO you can just focus on the lowest common denominator.. Ie. if just one player is likely to call you wide then don't bet for protection, or if one player arrives with an insanely strong range don't bet for thin value.. an exception to this i think is if all players are loose with wide ranges, in this case its important to bet for equity denial but don't go overboard.. Generally avoid trying to "take down" pots in these multiway spots unless all opponents are extremely nitty.
John is right. If you are not heads up by turn you are not betting big enough. If they are calling light then tighten up, pile in the money when nutted, ignore being balance, and make easy money
by reducing your 3bet fold/bet fold/raise fold ranges against maniacs, do you do that by widening your 3bet call/bet call/ raise call ranges (and thus reducing the */fold range) or by narrowing/tightening your */fold range overall, therefore playing fewier aggressive hands?
Hypothetically if we know the maniac will raise our bet 100% of their range we should never bet fold and we should also look to bet call with hands which you would typically bet fold. So against maniacs who are over raising we want to BOTH reduce the number of combos we bet fold and increase the number of combos we bet call.
You need to build an image first. Once you played a few hours with a legit tight image, you can counter that. Then you can play super aggressive, and that includes airball shoves. Otherwise its a luckfest.
@@Tomlookingmajor No, it's not possible to determine? How about losing 4 x 95% ev hands in a row? Shouldn't that mean there must be 80 in a row at some point for odds to level out? Or any probability, being grossly out of whack for extended periods?... Think, If you were offered 60$ to draw the ace of spades AOS, for a 1$ ticket, and you stood there drawing, paying, drawing, paying, and 5000 draws later, you still hadn't drawn the aos, do you think you could cry foul? I do, I'd demand to see the whole deck... wait a minute, no one would ever do that without seeing the aos in the deck to begin with.... There are charts we all know.bThe shape is always the same. It isjust a matter of where the peaks and troughs get to, right> The variance line only charts low to a trough, that for ANYONE only reaches that low. So tens of thousands of hands showing variance way below those mathematical averages to me is proof of concept being flawed. The fact it tilts towards the house, esp. if house uses shills, for 95% of players, to me proves it is intentional. peace
i think its important to remember with this that gto isnt the endgoal, its the baseline. playing perfect gto just means you arent losing money. the goal isnt to not lose money, its to make money. you wanna be exploiting to make money
Basically, what he is trying to say is DON'T BE A ONE DIMENSIONAL PLAYER!!!! You should be well versed, understand how to play each player, and how to be each player given the situation.
This is why Dnegs advises changing up your game regularly. As I don't play anymore I can say this; chase runs. Everyone believes in runs of luck, act like you're having one, and many will just fold. If you really do have a run you can make some phat change off the unbelievers.
This is useful. But this "I'm not looking into the right camera." is very weird. It looks like he's explaining to somebody else in the shot. I know it's popular right now but it's just so weird. Very impersonal.
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Thanks Fedor. This is some of the best advice out there!
Agreed. So valuable
Great explanation of types of players. Now, I just need to remember and try to identify them at the table quickly before they take my chips.
So a way to tackle this especially on somewhat higher stakes is you dont sit at the table you watch 20/30 hands if you can to avoid losing but with a hud its made pretty simple, especially if you have a good sample on the specific player
would love more animations in the video that ilustrate what fedor is explaining and less cuts. i dont need 2 camera angels of Fedor sitting on a coach with cuts every second 🌚
Wow. What incredible advise vs the 'nit'. Well done. Thank you.
A lot of beating a nit player is just wasting time and getting them immediately on your left on table position. While they are ultimately beatable, it takes so long that it's not really a good profit strategy. Maniacs on the right, nits on the left.
"Calling station", I love it
Player type #12 the punter , special team player of the week every week , in multi table tournament they think they need to get a big lead in early stage to survive later in the tournament , these players are a limited resource and won’t be around too long for you to take advantage of.
Great breakdown of categorizing players.
Super great content I note down everything on my notes for reminder ❤thanks fedor
Great video... Thank you!
Awesome tips Fedor. Much appreciated!
Been many of these colors on various days 😅
One of the best informational videos from a top pro. Danke!!
the "Chinese aggro whale button pusher" is my favourite colour code
Great content, but will be pretty much appreciated if you explain with video examples of certain plays and analyze from there, like how you do it for your other videos.
Most of the time i couldnt understand what you are talking about here.
Fabulous timestamps and fabulous video ❤
I would say I'm a solid regular. You've basically just described me to a tee, but I'm reading, learning, and trying to improve :)
good example is the player Micha Hoedemaker : an example as you called an "solid regular' play to win only just small itm after bublletime
just found your channel a couple weeks ago but I love watching your stuff. Thanks for putting all this out there for free for us noobs!
I think selfawareness and steadyness is what crushes souls.
Image is all, and being able to perceive your own image is what is most important.
When i was caught bluffing 2 times, i will bluff only 1/10 times instead of my usual 7/10 times.
When i showed down multiple strong hands, i start bluffing even more.
When i was caught valuebetting with a marginal holding, i can bluff over the top and just adjust the potsize to give them the idea that this one has to be stronger than my usual top pair on a coordinated board.
There are so many twists and so many little things that give weight towards your opponent´s decision, you gotta keep track of what you do rather than looking too hard at what the opponent does.
And while having this variety in your game, be sure to still have a foundation. Be steady.
Dont stop 3 betting, dont stop c-betting and dont stop to go for value if there is value to be had.
Sometimes you will raise a straight on the river, make it big and lose to a flush. Sometimes they will go all in, most of the times they will just call you. And when you bet on the river, ask yourself what bet you would call anyway in case the opponent bets, so bet exactly that.
They just need to have a flush blocker and a pair to call you, and that is where calling ranges on the opponent side start.
This is really good. Thnx.
i agree. especially at low stakes live, where people aren’t playing ranges or thinking about your range, i think image is everything. If they think you’re a nit (usually because you play normal opening ranges lol) you can get away with some otherwise psychotic bluffs. If they think you’re bluffing them all the time you can go big on value and get called down by people who are “tired of getting bullied”. etc etc.
Nailed it exactly.
@@fabiotellez6192 Bluffing 7/10 times..?? lmao is this a joke?
Table image only matters if people are paying attention.
OMG this video is so helpful! thank you so so so much Fedor!!! i'm so much better now after this...
You are so welcome! For more learnings and content have a look at pokercode.com (it's free)
Great video. I myself have 5 classes I color code players online in order from tightness, 1) tight nitty, 2) tight solid, 3) moderate, 4) fishy/loose/aggressive, & 5) the donkey loose/aggressive. When you watch how someone plays for a little while, you get a good feel for the category they fall into.
Great video. i can think of every player i play with that fits into theses categories
great video man..gratz
Thinner AND larger for value against stations? Or just increase the frequency without increasing sizing?
Theres one more above top reg. Its called Elite. Extremely few in that catagory. Im one of them. The difference isnt really a lot but there is a diffrence.
Hahahahahahhahahah we should make a category only for you called top fish.. super ez to exploit and win moneh from
It would be nice if U add in the poker hands into the video, so the audience can visualize better n commit into memory after watching more than once :)
How would you classify the classic "Tight Aggressive" player? (plays higher ranges pre flop, plays aggressively post flop. Lots of value bets, bluffs plenty when the story is congruent.. ex: calls a raise with JTs, bets aggro early position on an AK3 flop.) Category 3?
that's my style for about an hour typically in a cash game. Then I go about halfway to loose aggro presuming the tight aggro tale has been told sufficiently.
Those guys typically fall under "Nit" but are a more dangerous version of them.
Fedor, would you play your best style wich you do against top reg players against nits and crazy loose players . If not why
Fador, would you play the same style of play aganst crazy loose players, nits and calling stations wich you do against top reg players. If not why?
This was great Fedor, thank you
This video is what I was waiting for a long time lol
Brilliant video.
Great content!
Nice video thanks
How you explained the solid regular was on point.
There is simply no variation in their game, and it is somewhat easy to absorb them into your game.
You just do 5x sizings where someone normally would do 3x sizings and they suddenly are forced to either get out of their comfortable game or leave the game.
Eventually they are fed up and play your game, one they are unfamiliar with, with the twist that they have no clue what they are doing.
And it takes a ton of hours to adjust to something like that.
Yup, what are they supposed to do? A lot of the time they are medium stacked while you are high stacked, so they have to basically commit to all ins which you they would never do with middle pair. Personally, I'm the solid regular that gets exploited by loose and aggressive players who have large stacks.
@@JasonG123 stay as short as possible if you arent confident.
@@JasonG123 budget. it is super important
How do you play against the yellow players though? I dont think it was mentioned
Hi Kevin!
It wasn't mentioned explicitly, but when a play would be unintuitive to them with a certain part of their range, you can rule out that part of their range and play accordingly. For example if you know it is unintuitive for them to bluff on a certain spot and you see them betting, then you know they are value-betting and therefore you shouldn't call if you have a bluff-catcher.
Instructions unclear I am now homeless
😂😂😂 me toooooooo lol
Great Video!
now for every category a professional player as an example. I start:
The Nit: Berry Greenstein
...
The maniac: durrrr
What's Fedor's color for Calling Station? Watched the segment 3 times now, but still didn't get it.
he did not mention
It was very interesting !
Few days ago I had a Maniac in my table ( i'm a beginner), and even if i did win money ( 20BB, not many) i feel meeting him has weaken my mental. It felt so weird to me and i was frustrated because his play style worked during almost all my session. He finished by losing all but at one moment he had 660BB ( I never saw that in cash games before).
Anyway, this video makes me realise it's time i care more about ranges and types of players. I was already doing so (and i remember to meet all the types of players mentionned in the video) but i need to do it more seriously. Especially to anticipate their ranges. From now i will classify my opponents thanks to the video. It was short and clear about what i needed to hear, thank you
honestly this might sound insane but i think the best way to learn how to beat actual maniacs is to play playmoney poker games like zynga or whatever. basically every 8/9 handed table will have 1-3 maniacs and usually pots go multiway which is how a lot of games with maniacs (who r usually in the smaller stakes go) it taught me how to be patient and fold at the right times and trap at the right times. What they really profit off of imo is tilting their opponents and getting them to overcall bc they “definitely can’t have it here”. The thing is most maniacs are smart enough to give up if you fight back and they have nothing. so if u fight back and they continue they probably have at least top pair. It’s much better to just wait until youre nutted and induce bluffs. That’s just how poker is. Yeah they might be up for 3.5hrs in a 4hr session but they really only need to lose one pot to end their session down. So just wait for that moment, if they chip you down reload so you can make the max profit when the time finally comes.
AWESOME! TY SO MUCH!!
got this one maniac in my blub online... I know how to take care of him, but he is also such a luckbox.....last night he I raised 3BB from early with AQo two callers and then the maniac raises 17 BB from the button (tournament, off 100 BB effective) I fourbet push, he calls with KJ off and spikes a Jack. We play a lot in the club.. aware of each other... He knows I know, I know he knows I know.... I fold a lot to him, I've stacked him tons too...he is not in the mot in the top ten in the standings ( i'm third) and yet he has 33% more knock outs than anyone seen him get it in bad so many times and just suck out... really more than I win with Jacks, and that's a lot!
just frustrating when it seems to happen more than it should.... everyone else sees it too, oh well, back to the battle, at least it makes for an interesting game!
And what about Captain of the table category😅
So as a “nit” take advantage of your image? ;)
Some good poker content, great job making this it pretty much fits every category. Be an orange! :)
Everybody here: I'm orange!
PS: great stuff ;)
Actually very smart
I can play every color so should I become pro player ??
thank youu
only play if you have 4 of a kind- but bet small, because your opponent could have a royal flush
Playing lots of small pots versus nits seems a bit contradictory, since nits don't play lots of small pots.
You basically just don't make money off them, but if you do manage to get in a pot, bet small and frequently, if they raise or bet, get out of there. They're likely to give up hands that miss the flop even to small bets.
If they're truly nitty and not tight aggressive, you basically can nickel and dime them down reliably but it's slow and boring.
This is all theoretical. In real life, most hands involve multiple players with different styles. So if you're at the turn with one calling station, one nit and another style, playing the correct strategy against the calling station becomes the wrong strategy against the nit and you're the one that becomes exploitable. So whats your strategy when you are faced with multiple different types of players pre-flop to river?
Depending on position, you need to squeeze out the nits preflop.
There is no proven theory for these spots but IMO you can just focus on the lowest common denominator.. Ie. if just one player is likely to call you wide then don't bet for protection, or if one player arrives with an insanely strong range don't bet for thin value.. an exception to this i think is if all players are loose with wide ranges, in this case its important to bet for equity denial but don't go overboard.. Generally avoid trying to "take down" pots in these multiway spots unless all opponents are extremely nitty.
If you’re not mostly heads up by the turn something is wrong with your game
@@johnmcpike5582 that's bullshit in a 1-2 and 2-5 games
John is right. If you are not heads up by turn you are not betting big enough. If they are calling light then tighten up, pile in the money when nutted, ignore being balance, and make easy money
by reducing your 3bet fold/bet fold/raise fold ranges against maniacs, do you do that by widening your 3bet call/bet call/ raise call ranges (and thus reducing the */fold range) or by narrowing/tightening your */fold range overall, therefore playing fewier aggressive hands?
Hypothetically if we know the maniac will raise our bet 100% of their range we should never bet fold and we should also look to bet call with hands which you would typically bet fold. So against maniacs who are over raising we want to BOTH reduce the number of combos we bet fold and increase the number of combos we bet call.
You need to build an image first.
Once you played a few hours with a legit tight image, you can counter that.
Then you can play super aggressive, and that includes airball shoves.
Otherwise its a luckfest.
@@riffin632 great answer, makes total sense like that. Thanks!
Can I pay you or someone, to look at my last 20000 hands, and tell me if it's legit, or I'm being cheated? Is that possible to do definitively?
Nah
@@Tomlookingmajor No, it's not possible to determine? How about losing 4 x 95% ev hands in a row? Shouldn't that mean there must be 80 in a row at some point for odds to level out? Or any probability, being grossly out of whack for extended periods?... Think, If you were offered 60$ to draw the ace of spades AOS, for a 1$ ticket, and you stood there drawing, paying, drawing, paying, and 5000 draws later, you still hadn't drawn the aos, do you think you could cry foul? I do, I'd demand to see the whole deck... wait a minute, no one would ever do that without seeing the aos in the deck to begin with.... There are charts we all know.bThe shape is always the same. It isjust a matter of where the peaks and troughs get to, right> The variance line only charts low to a trough, that for ANYONE only reaches that low. So tens of thousands of hands showing variance way below those mathematical averages to me is proof of concept being flawed. The fact it tilts towards the house, esp. if house uses shills, for 95% of players, to me proves it is intentional.
peace
in this gto era im surprised there even such thing as a "poker type" anymore, especially at fedors level.
i think its important to remember with this that gto isnt the endgoal, its the baseline. playing perfect gto just means you arent losing money. the goal isnt to not lose money, its to make money. you wanna be exploiting to make money
Stefon lol
What about the 7th player who keeps editing his videos with waaaaay too many cuts? Lol please fix. Otherwise a very useful perspective.
u forgot the RTA one
What about weak tight?
aka Nits?
@@arnoldPLO5 people who limp and fold to aggression.. nits are tight aggressive IMO
@@FATCACAK those are probably the worst types of players and you shouldnt need to worry about them
Lol maniac here
Basically, what he is trying to say is DON'T BE A ONE DIMENSIONAL PLAYER!!!! You should be well versed, understand how to play each player, and how to be each player given the situation.
Hello Fedor
🐐
Holy shit, within the third hour of playing, I'm a damm calling station
Nit
Calling Station, can be temporary
Solid Regular, most common
LAG
Maniac
Too Players )The End Boss)
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This is why Dnegs advises changing up your game regularly. As I don't play anymore I can say this; chase runs. Everyone believes in runs of luck, act like you're having one, and many will just fold. If you really do have a run you can make some phat change off the unbelievers.
oh my, I should watched this video earlier
How about the ones who go all in? EVERY. HAND.
Be prepared to gamble and try to isolate.
I'm definitely a Nit trying to grow some balls.
Dude seems to know his shit!
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Well I'll just have to stop doi g all these things, 😁
About 10x too many camera angle cuts.
I am a super fish but I’m aiming to be a whale someday..
Ears.....
ego main charactyer hero complex
This is useful. But this "I'm not looking into the right camera." is very weird. It looks like he's explaining to somebody else in the shot. I know it's popular right now but it's just so weird. Very impersonal.
Excellent 👌 sir.
we are made in HIS image
A good prayer:
I'm a sinner JESUS please forgive me for all my sins I know you shed your Blood for me on the cross at Calvary. Thank you JESUS for my salvation and for shedding they Blood for me. I love you JESUS.
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JESUSisLord!Amen...
Amen..
If you'd like to call someone who cares
83
For
Truth.
bc you don't know when you'll die?
.y r u hesitant........
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these 12 minutes won't come back
😅
What’s time?
...and there goes another minute, oh my!
24mins now
You are the compulsive gambler type. I like those players because they always end up giving away their money. Play me and I will reck you.
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Great content!