RANT: Gun People Are Idiots About Self-Defense Law (ASP BITS) | Active Self Protection Extra
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
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I am a nurse in Pinellas County Florida. I love helping people. My last fist fight was in 4th grade, 1966. I hurt the other kid and went home and cried. I find hurting others is no fun. But, I understand the fear of loss of life and limb. Steal my car while I am in the house, I call the police. Steal my car with my kids in the car, well that's another story. I am a coward and will run from a fight. Corner me and I will shoot center mass. My pocket pistol is effective in close quarters. I understand my limitations and my weapons limitations. I do not ever want to shoot a human. Sometimes a man has got to do what is necessary. I also understand the aftermath of a defensive shooting. No thanks! Please be Nice.
I wish I could heart this more than once.
Well said
Amen!
Sometimes, running is the *smart* thing to do, not cowardly! If they give you no choice but to harm them, that is *their* mistake!
Well said I agree.
"You think those statutes are written in English. They are not. They are written in lawyer." Classic.
I mean it...it's a foreign language!
I'm reading a book on my states gun laws right now, and it's great because I can read the statute, then his interpretations, and then if there are any past cases. Keep up the good work!
I've spent HOURS looking up legal definitions of words used in law. It's mind numbing.
The CORRECT TERM is "Legalese" sir. You can always spot the rookie in Court because he doesn't speak fluent "Legalese." :)
Interestingly enough, the US Constitution can be understood by anyone with a solid high school education. But very few of the laws passed under its authority can be understood without a team of lawyers. Truly sad.
I carry daily and I DO NOT WANT TO EVER USE IT. I would rather flee than have to use force!🇺🇸
Joe Blow so long as no ones life is in immediate danger im with yah. Being a coward has served me well so far! At the same time if someone WAS in danger...i Cant say definitively that i would act, but what i can tell you is if someone got hurt......i dont know that id ever be able to forgive myself. Stranger or not. I would constantly think about how i could have or even should have done something. Say i was with my family though i would flee no matter what rather than get them involved for the sake of someone i don't know. Sry if that makes me a bad person or a coward. Still alive!
Joe Blow Sissy! (not).
As long as an innocent life is not in danger, then I agree with you.
So why carry?
Why put that responsibility on your self?
Not having a go. I wish we had the option to carry but as subjects we can't over here
Because sometimes it isn't about you, it's about others. And if it seems that statement can be taken with multiple interpretations, and from multiple angles, you are correct.
Who would thumbs down this? I have been an LEO for 10 years, and he is spot on.
There might be some confusion by some as to what type of situations. This is an emotional topic. One part of the equation are prosecutors, states attorneys. Another is politics.
A Chicago Police Officer was recently convicted of 2nd Degree murder and has been sent to prison for shooting a young man high on drugs wielding a knife at a group of officers with guns drawn. The last officer shows up and unloads on the kids. The officer performed poorly, no doubt. He should not have been a cop. The Chicago Police, the Mayor, the Chief, were a minimal corrupt with the reports, and release of body camera evidence. This is even admitted now my the administration. The officer may have committed manslaughter. But 2nd Degree murder? Laws are great, but justice is an entirely different question. A bad cop losses his life, in prison, to stop a city from being burned down is not justice. It is injustice. That example of injustice will only persuade good men and women from choosing to be officers. It will endanger the profession and the officers themselves.
Likely a less humble law enforcement officer... probably one of the ones that he is talking about.
There's always at least one moron, as a cop you should know this.. Thanks for dealing with some of our nation's finest idiots everyday!
The queens of cell block 3!
It was Bubba, mad that John is keeping dumb dudes from being his "close friends"
Thank you! I’m a retired police firearms instructor. I so appreciate this “rant”. So many gun carriers I know have only their CCW training class. A couple hours in the classroom. Other than that, no training. IF YOU’RE GOING TO CARRY A FIREARM, YOU BETTER KNOW THE LAW AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COURTS HAVE DONE WITH THESE CASES. Again, thank you!
I practice the law of common sense. Been studying it for 62 years. Still haven't received a degree, but I'll continue my education as long as I remain upright.
Common sense is a superpower in these times.
Ya call me a nerd but I really enjoy learning something new everyday. At the dinner table dad made it a requirement to tell something new that you had learned that day. Now back in the 1970’s it wasn’t always easy for a kid. So I looked at the newspaper or popular magazines of the time or talked about a topic discussed in school.
Common sense and the law are opposing forces.
Every day I put my carry on my belt I pray. Pray that I don't need to pull out my pistol.
Amen.
I really respect you for recommending somebody who is open about their disdain for you. It takes a big man to admit that we can get help from somebody that doesn't like them. I really respect you for that, John.
Just because he's a terrible boor doesn't mean his information is bad. As an opening read in self defense law, his book LOSD is reasonably good.
Thank you for the recommendation.
JAMES COOPER zen
+JAMES COOPER
Sad state of affairs that you feel the need to express respect for that quality as though its exceptional, huh?
I AM A PART OF "X" POLITICAL PARTY ALL THE "Y" ARE WRONG
I AM A PART OF "Y" POLITICAL PARTY ALL THE "X" ARE WRONG
It is a back and forth motion of stupidity, not by the government, boy they got us again with that same old trick. Sit back pay your taxes to fund "projects" and "Nation building" in other people's countries, and don't do it with diplomacy, do it with hellfire and brimstone. Always makes me smile when I know my dollars head towards destroying someone's life across the world or having them killed in my place, while I am robbed of my money to fund it. And not only fund the senseless destruction of other people's countries (AND WOW CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT IN A COUNTRY THAT EVERY SINGLE CITIZEN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 9/11) we also line the pockets of the people coordinating these things Refer to political party X and Y.
I'm no lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Good enough!
Excellent!
In hope the room was quiet. I travel a lot, this hotel is stay at in southern CA in always request the side on the side next to a cemetery. When I’ve check in they always laugh. But bib haven’t been woken up by a sprit yet.
Haha. Was going to type that. You beat me to it- by about 5 years, evidently lmao
Excellent Rant!!! I'm an attorney and a CCW holder. I am a corporate attorney, not a criminal defense attorney. I have done SOME research into the law on self defense, and what I know is that what I don't know or understand about self defense law scares the hell out of me! The one thing do realize is the I have to have an actual fear for my life (or my loved ones' life) before I can justifiably use deadly force. But as an attorney I know there is a lot of grey area as to what "actual fear for my life" can mean. I am also a black belt in martial arts (actually an instructor) and I would use my open hands skill, if possible, before drawing my gun -- if I felt unsure of the threat level. Which is part of my dilemma. As a martial artist, what places me in "actual fear for my life?" Three menacing guys that are twice my size, and what to do bodily harm to me? Someone with a knife? -- I have pretty effective training in knife defense. Someone with a gun? - what if he isn't pointing it at me. Use of deadly force in self defense is not so simple. I think I'll be doing more research now -- and getting that book.
Subjective AND objective is significant.
Is fear really that necessary? I remember a gun instructor told me a story that his friend, who was a cop, went to investigate a shooting. A homeowner shot an intruder dead. The guy refused to say he feared for his life, because he's a tough guy and all. Frustrated, he tried to subtly get him to claim he feared for his life. I thought it was BS because he's an intruder...do you really need to fear your life if someone broke into your house.
Literally just had a conversation with my friend about how people need to own up to not knowing things more often; not only would we all become more knowledgeable because we would then seek that information we want to further understand but we also would decrease so much false information that gets passed around and built on.
Alex Halbleib very well said
Well said
The Lake Wobegon Syndrome is real.
Exactly. The moment you think that you know everything is the moment you quit learning. Been an auto mechanic for 22 years, and I learn something new every day.
Being able to say “I dont know that” is a big step toward being actually knoweldgable.
I’m a plumber, and I don’t hang drywall 👍🏻
Drywall hanger here, I don't plumb houses and i approve this message.
I'm an electrician. I don't plumb and I don't hang drywall.
I’m a cook and I don’t... well you get the point..
County Prosecutors & D.A.'s PERSONAL BELIEFS matter.
I try to tell people "you need to err X5 on the side of caution & understand
you may be nothing more than a juicy steak to a Hungry Prosecutor who'll cast your righteous shoot as a VILE CRIME then use you as a stepping stone to higher office.
Definitely. Seen it all the time.
Exactly right, even knowing the local laws won't save you if it's politically expedient for the officials.
Hey my mother's uncle's dogs owners nephew is an attorney and he told me..... If someone on social media is giving legal advice this is probably where they got it..
This is one of the most TRUTH FILLED videos I've ever heard on RUclips or Facebook EVER!!! Way to go John!!! People NEED to hear this, FOR REAL!!!
Well said. Unfortunately there are folks that think strapping on a gun gains them a lot of testicular fortitude and adds to their bravado. It's a symptom of our society and runs rampant in other topics as well. The fact is strapping on a firearm should be the most humbling thing you do. Deciding to carry a firearm is more than toting it on your person. The moment you strap that firearm on and walkout the door you've just taken on so many responsibilities and exposed yourself to so many things. Every confrontation you have is now an armed confrontation. You now not only have to be able to use your firearm if needed but you need to protect it from being taken away from you and making sure, as you said, know the laws of where you are at to avoid legal actions. Unless I missed it the part of the law you didn't cover is there is not only possible criminal penalties but also civil. Oh and what some of those folks don't realize is even if you make the right decision in using deadly force you can still be subject to the civil courts and suffer huge financial consequences. I really enjoy your channel and have learned a lot and I hope you continue to do this for a long time.
Thanks Kyle me too. Take care and be safe.
SmittyM14, your comment was very intelligently stated, BUT I'm taking the most Libertarian view of carrying, and that said, I disagree with 'every confrontation you have is now an armed confrontation'.
It's ONLY an 'armed confrontation' IF the armed civilian PRESENTS that firearm into the confrontation; if it's concealed, or never used as leverage in the confrontation, then the confrontation is an ORDINARY confrontation, regardless of whether one is armed or not. Also, most states protects individuals against civil penalty phase, upon that person the defeating criminal penalty phase.
mackman1245 Thanks for the reply. We have the same mindset. I misstated the "armed confrontation" statement. It should have come across as they have the potential of becoming one.
SmittyM14, ok, that's true TO A CERTAIN POINT. I can see ordinary confrontations turning into armed force happening mostly in two cases: One, with people ILLEGALLY carrying (gang members mostly)...and two, maybe with a few ROOKIE carriers, when they FIRST start out...they (mostly) just turned 21, they just got their carry permits, they still have a young mindset...BUT I think once they turn older, get used to carrying all the time, the 'excitement' wears off, and they (like me) forgets that a gun is even being carried, so if an argument is about to start (let's say like what happened to me about a week ago, when I was cut in line at the store), most people who's been armed for a while would just totally ignore the fact that they have a gun on them. At least that's what I do. Based on how sensible most ppl's comments on here seems (I'm guessing most ppl on here also carries), I'm guessing most of them would totally not even think of their gun simply because of a simple confrontation.
mackman1245 Right. I'm not saying they should consider implementing their firearm for a simple verbal confrontation. I think people should be aware that if a verbal confrontation goes to physical, which has been shown on here several times, that your weapon can be used against you. There are several instances were someone carrying a firearm is disarmed during a physical confrontation and the firearm is used against them. We're on the same page I believe just saying it differently. :-)
Great vid!! I’m sure you saved a few lives for those who actually listened. There’s a lot of people walking around with a gun, thinking it solves all their problems and acting like there’s a sheriff’s badge in their chest. I had to wade through a lot of gun-toting hyper-masculinity and political garbage on you-tube to find your channel. Keep up the good work.
It is amazing the number people who say they carry a gun and think they are invincible and would rather be judged by 12 than carried by six.
Surely, these people weren't born of a mother. Maybe hatched on the street?
Carry a firearm, practice with it, pray I NEVER need to use it. Carry self defense insurance also pray I never have to use it. Prosecutor’s job is to get convictions. State self defense laws are harder to read than Latin.
Darth Platypus Well said!
I don’t understand why people want to actually have to use their firearm defensively. First of all you could die, second of all you have to deal with the repercussions of every decision you made in those moments, and then you have to live with taking a life. Those people are looking for a moment to shoot someone and they probably shouldn’t be allowed to carry!
This really needed to be said. The comment section on your main account is rampant of stupid comments about how shooting a perp is always the solution.
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“The queen of cell block 3” 😂😂
The thumbnail killed it XD it is like you were singing Opera XD
+1 for growing up in the 80's!
Smurfs on Saturday morning FTW!
@@ASPextra Smurfs were the best.
Outstanding Rant! Totally nailed the points about cops NOT knowing much, if anything at all, about self-defense law. Scenario training with live role-players goes a very long way to get folks accustomed to experiencing how difficult it can be to make ANY decision under stress, especially with the uncertainty stemming from the unexpected (the level of suddenness and violence of action involved). Sort of like practicing sports plays...the first few times, even at slow speeds, it can be difficult to "run the play" because of the unfamiliarity with the skills in general and then with all of the moving components. Then you keeping practicing and, hopefully, improve with the added variables; except in this environment (self-defense) the consequences of getting it wrong are quite high.
Concur on the value of education re self-defense laws and the SMEs that you recommended. Well done.
Johh, do you every get out to the SoCal area to conduct classes?
Your impersonations around the 4-minute mark made me laugh 😂
You're a great person, John. I'm sure you make a measurable impact on the world, thanks for what you do!
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I was fortunate to run across Mas Ayoob at 18 or 19 before I began carrying years ago and have been so thankful the wealth of a jump start he gave me. I'd highly recommend his 2+ hr lecture titled the "Judicious use of deadly force" (I think) as a great free overview for anyone to get started on the subject. it's on youtube, then buy his books to support the man, he's done an awful lot for defenders and law enforcement over the years. A true seasoned expert in the legal side of defending yourself with lethal force in the United States. I share your frustration when I see gun owners brash doing our community and culture a disservice with their public ignorance on the law. Ayoob is my go to first suggestion when people are receptive to learning about something that doesn't include stroking their own pride.
John- car jacking is lethal force offence in KY. Correct me if needed.
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The"Yes-but" is I gave up on the legal system in 95 with O.J. walking. Justice is for the Rich. Poor man gets screwed, almost every time.
Best you can do- try to stay out of harm's way.
My friend, you should be careful arguing with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Plus, people on the outside watching you argue with an idiot will have a hard time telling the difference. They're simply not worth your time.
Ain't that the truth. :)
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Agree 100%, ya just can’t fix stupid!!
Man what a GREAT, GREAT video of valuable information.
I watch it twice and I will purchase the literature you spoke of in the video......
I always calved this saying in my mind " When You Think The Law Is For You, That's When The Law Will Be TOTALLY Against You"
I am a subscriber and this by far one of your best videos yet. Thanks
Paul Harrell would love this video
I doubt it. Paul is a trained professional.
Great advise for responsible gun owners, Nice Job
I know I am late to the party here but they were EXTREMELY clear in my Florida CCW class that the only time you can use deadly force is if you are in danger of "death or great bodily harm" or to stop a forcible felony. They specifically said you cannot use deadly force to protect property. He said if you wake up and some robbers are walking out of your house with your tv call the cops (and he joked offer to help them carry it) but his point was you cannot shoot them. He said the only exception is an occupied vehicle. Which I think I've heard John say too.
I really appreciate this. We often hear about the unreasonable or ignorant rhetoric from the other side of the gun/self-defense debate, but I’ve never heard it from this perspective. The burden and obligation to learn the real law is incumbent upon everyone who chooses to have a weapon.
You are absolutely right about how the law is written. It is definitely not written in plain every day English. Many of the terms used in statutes are what I would call terms of art - It’s part of the legal lexicon i.e it’s analogous to a foreign language. You are also right that you don’t want a real estate lawyer or a bankruptcy attorney giving you legal advice and a criminal matter. Find a good criminal lawyer in your area and talk to him or her about self-defense law and what you have to establish. More importantly find out what you tell the cops when you have that encounter after the fact. If you find one you like put them on a retainer for the possibility of defending you if you ever have to shoot someone. Finally make sure you have self defense insurance.
Most lawyers couldn't defend you very well on a speeding ticket. True story from my life experience databank.
LuvBorderCollies Why would you hire a lawyer for a speeding ticket? The lawyer will cost you much more than the ticket and it’s damn difficult to get around a radar gun. It does beg the question though were you speeding?
I wrote the ticket. The loaded real estate developer got his corporate lawyer to go to court with him. Pretty obvious the attorney had no idea what he was doing.
LuvBorderCollies There’s a big difference between a transactional attorney and a trial lawyer. Very few transactional attorney’s even know how to present evidence or question a witness on the stand. I Don’t know what was involved but I can guarantee you an experienced trial attorney would be difficult to beat if he/she had any facts to work with. But again, it’s tough to get around a radar gun and an experienced LEO In a traffic court regardless of the attorney’s experience. (Don’t mean to be difficult but I am married to a very good patent litigator and I have seen the difference between a transactional attorney and a true trial attorney - it’s night and day) So the bottom line is if you need legal advice find a competent lawyer that practices in the area that you need advice on. Have a really great day.
One piece of advice I got as a rookie was you don't need to be worried about any attorney if you have your act together. That is so true. But most are fairly normal folks trying to make a living. So attorneys don't bother me. Few attorneys specialize in criminal court since it doesn't pay very well because of the clientele. The real money is in probate from what I've been told.
This video reminds me why I turned off notifications for almost every form of social media. I just got tired of the bullshit and people who don't understand how to find information.
OspreyBravo18 I completely disassociated myself from Facebook. I closed my Facebook account and have zero social media accounts for that specific reason.
I like how the ad for Lucky Gunner so abruptly so nice, to sell. Hahah
Another great video, John. I’m going to have start a playlist of John’s greatest hits. This is probably my 2nd favorite video of yours, with the 1st being the interview with Mas Ayoob from 6/8/18. That’s kind of like internet gold for anyone interested in self-defense.
Side note: Mas Ayoob’s book is currently sold out on Amazon and the price has shot up from $9.50 to $17.37 (likely an effect of trending). I’ll wait a week and see if the price comes down some.
Anyway, appreciate your videos and your knowledge sharing.
Amen and hallelujah John. Perfect rant. During my 3 decades in public safety instruction I have given many similar speeches. Keep preaching to the choir and maybe some of know-it-alls in the congregation will soak up some of it. This is why you are one of the best.
Thanks Steve! Keep fighting the good fight, man. :)
I think a lot of the issue is that people cannot distinguish between what is socially acceptable vs. legally justified. For example, it may be socially acceptable for punching someone who is yelling racial slurs at you but it would not be legally justified. You would end up in jail possibly for a felony of physical assault and battery, even if the other person is technically committing a crime.
I think that is a fantastic distinction!
John, glad you brought that up. It's actually quite horrifically disturbing how SERIOUSLY ignorant Police are of not just lawful self defense but also citizen armed defense and firearm possession and carry law.
I'll never forget one time I was at the cinema with my wife and I had my firearm concealed under my jacket in my shoulder holster when one of the concession stand clerks caught a small glimpse of my 9mm and told the police. It was quite a bit of time passed and my wife and I had already sat in the theater waiting for the movie to start when two officers came in and told me to step outside with them.
So I did, and they questioned me with glares of condemnation and I actually had to stand there and explain to THEM what the law is and educate them how shit works.
I had to explain to LAW enforcement that it's NOT illegal to carry on private property that's open to the public like businesses and retail stores. I had to explain that if they have a strict no firearms policy the worst charge I COULD get is trespassing but the Cinema had no signs ANYWHERE.
And no one had felt threatened by me nor have asked me to leave. All and all I was not only frustrated I was severely kind of shocked how ignorant these cops were and the blatant bullshit inaccurate beliefs of CCW laws sternly thrown at me as FACT.
I was so aggravated and I demanded the manager refund my money considering they ruined my evening with not having the proper signs posted.
Bought it. I appreciate your passion for the subject. Also the incident videos, they have really made me stop and think over and over what I might do in those real life cases. Thank you
A fool does not delight in understanding, but only in expressing his own opinion. Guess where this bit of TRUTH comes from! (Craig)
Right?!?!
Active Self Protection Extra proverbs 18:2 bible! This not about you sir. The point this is too convey is don't argue with a fool, they think their opinion is above the sense a person tries to give them. Thx, Craig
A very simple rule of thumb I’ve been using for awhile is, I will only shoot to save a life not to take a life.
That's a good rule of thumb.
What about great bodily harm? You may want to rethink your rule of thumb. Here is where I disagree with active self protection.
Richard Kimble great bodily harm is defined as bodily injury which creates a high probability of death. Your question isn’t open and shut, there needs to be more context to it. Again, we shoot to save a life not to take one.
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Okay, let's say you are outside a club and there are 32 eye witnesses. There is also Audio and video recordings. A man thinks you tripped him on purpose. The man gets a metal pipe and says he is going to break your legs. The man then starts swinging the pipe low at your legs. What do you do?
Richard Kimble .... let's say you stay out of the club ... it's just looking for trouble to go into a place like that.
Thankyou for you time, concern, and honesty. Your one of the most respected channels in my book
Great as always John! Thank you for your videos from a longtime subscriber.
Glad to help, Alex!
I think this is a very important video that people should watch. We should never get ourselves into the mindset that we know the laws of self defense well enough. If we ever think we know it all about self defense, I would take that as a sign that we do not know much about self defense. We should always commit ourselves to further study of self defense law.
I think this rule of thumb goes with any complex skill or industry. This attitude serves well in the aviation field.
Believing your in the "right" does not entitle you to do as you please. Even soldiers must maintain ethics or face the consequences.
I would absolutely agree that believing that we are in the right does not entitle us to do as we please. That is why it is absolutely important for us to have a thorough understanding of self defense law in order to make sure that we are justified if we were to ever use any level of force, especially if we were to use force as dramatic as deadly force.
Thank you for this ,John. It's for this very reason I don't often venture very far into the comment section of your videos. I'm often disheartened by what some of the viewers write and offering a different opinion opens the floodgates to the keyboard commandos. Too many view these videos as entertainment rather than a chance to actually learn something. However, there are also many intelligent viewers on here as well that offer valuable feedback.
It's knowing who is who that's the tricky part!
Sean Brown Carrying a firearm requires an average citizen to THINK, be extra polite, not consider yourself "law enforcement", not needlessly escalate situations,& be aware of at least a dozen other responsibilities.
@@Chief2Moon because that requires the thinking and we don’t do that round here
As a prior intel ofcr and retired LEO, the acronym IDOL is what I was taught and firmly believe in.
I: immediate
D: defense
O: of
L: life
(or great bodily injury - very very subjective so just stick to IDOL.
If you are about to get shot or stabbed - fire away and hope the prosecutor goes lenient on you. For ANY property crime, to include burglary even while you’re in the residence, get the heck out and call 911. Say what you want, you are gonna get fried and some dude named Bubba is gonna be your new roomie.
Another great video and excellent advice.
3 common sense rules for using deadly force:
1) there was an actual threat of death or serious harm
2) you weren’t part of the problem/provoked it
3) you had no other reasonable means to deal with it
Nearly all jurisdictions laws express those concepts in some form or another.
If all of these legitimately apply, you’ll probably be legally good. If any one or more are questionable, you probably won’t be.
I guess the best bet is never never take out your gun with intent unless there are ZERO other choices.
it is a tool of last resort.
Absolutely
Agreed 100%. I don’t get how some people can talk about possibly taking a human life like it’s no big deal by making some of the arguments John called out in this video.
@@Texan1981 it depends on one's background... some people have had certain... protocols, drilled into their brains about where force is allowed... and have been intentionally desensitized to the thought of killing another... Infantry vet here. Some people are programmed that way, whether it be by employment, or culture.
I would say though, that this is A part of emotional fitness, to be able to come to terms with the fact that someday, you may be in danger, and may have to kill to escape that danger, and the last thing you want during that fight for your life, is a "moral compass" in the back of your mind distracting you with "MAYBE HE WILL STOP! MAYBE HE WILL GO AWAY! WHAT IF HE HAS KIDS?!" And this is just your primal brain saying "Hey! Shut up or we are going to die! He made this choice to attack us, we get to decide to be at his mercy, or end the threat."
Thank you for this, John.
Really good advice, I'm a licensed gun owner in Canada, The self-defense laws are even more EXTREMELY tricky here
John you are 100% correct. I could not be in more agreement This is coming from a member of a family with decade of law enforcement/ criminal Justice professionals. A history of gun owners and ccw carrier in several States. I appreciate the rant. You may save someone from jail and or prison. I enjoy your videos. Its amazing how much more knowledgeable you are in comparison to many "experts" . You are one of the best I've seen in my 35 yr career. Stay strong, stay safe...oh and CYA
That Bubba comment had me rolling. Very good video, i know too many people like this.
John, very well said. I was in the military for 22 years as a Navy Corpsman and then RN and was trained to kill and save lives simultaneously. After I retired from the military, I got a lifetime conceal carry permit. I hope and pray I never have to kill a human being.
This is VERY refreshing! Thank you for calling out jackasses that don’t know the words “I don’t know”. Some people just don’t like learning. They think its weak. Lame.
The perfect rant John. So many are ignorant of the law, and regardless of training, legal knowledge, or religion, it forces moral behavior. Carrying a firearm is a huge responsibility, and I also have no tolerance for those who don't believe training and situation recognition are not EVEN MORE IMPORTANT than carrying the firearm itself. Thanks for all you do, and again, the perfect rant!
Thanks, John. This is a much needed rant. I'd love to see other gun/defense channels share this video.
Signed: A guy in Texas
As a person from Texas I must admit I started laughing a bit when you focused on us. I've heard all that crap too and I actually wonder how you seem to know so much about it. I have personally read the statutes many times over the years, watched all sorts of videos and read all manner of opinions about various situations and one thing I have come to learn is that I NEVER want to be in a position where I have to shoot someone EVER! That includes that scenario where someone steals your vehicle at night and you have the "right" to use deadly force. Oh hell no. My $500 insurance deductible is much cheaper and much less of a hassle to deal with.
Suppose the insurance company refused to pay you the insurance, because you 'failed to prevent the theft of the insured vehicle, while within your legal power and ability to do so'?
@@mackman1245 would love to see a citation where his has happened? Or where even argued?
What a wimp.
I personally would be OK with having to buy a new car before killing someone over one. It would suck, but I'm sure I would sleep better at night fuming about the lost car rather than reliving killing a guy.
Can't believe I missed this when it came out! Love this, especially the Texas part. Proud Texan, but I have insurance cuz I'm not a lawyer!!
The biggest mistake people make is, they think they can just use a firearm that they are legally carrying. Carry and Use are two completely different sets of law. You need to know both.
That's a good distinction.
It's a tough lesson that most 2nd amendment proponents must learn. That being a legal gun owner and having no priors, doesnt make you an enforcer of the law or that you can dictate how the law works. It's a tool for self defense. In most states you have the duty to retreat. John has some balls to make this video lecturing on how self defense actually works, which might include some hard to swallow pills for some people. Im glad I've subscribed to this channel, and that this isnt a mindless fpsrussia-like channel that just glorify guns for the sake of it.
As of last count, a minority of states enforce a duty to retreat in public (16).
I'm not 100% on this, but I believe MO just revised their statute where you now have no duty to retreat. That being said, one should NEVER use their firearm to protect ANYTHING other than imminent threat to their lives or their families or innocents.
Personally, it would be my worse nightmare to be put in a position to have to use a weapon in a defensive circumstance. Would I? I think so. Could I? 200+ hours of professional training and a minimum of 1 trip to the range a week would indicate yes. But I don't want to and I question the mentality of someone that is apparently very willing to shoot another human being over property.
Bobby Bowden I think this should be clarified. I think I know what you're saying but there's a difference between shooting someone who you see is stealing your car in the parking lot and shooting someone who is stealing your car in the parking lot with your wife and kids still in it. Or like there's a difference between shooting someone who's robbing the store you're in with a knife and shooting someone who's waving a gun around as they rob the store.
Every single situation is unique and I think Bobby was referring to questioning the mentality of people who might want or choose to shoot people over property alone.
Jared Cowan right
The WHOLE POINT of why cops carry guns with them is NOT for 'protection'...(they don't carry large cash or jewelry with them, so they're not regularly 'targeted', well, at least not until BLM came around!)...the whole point of why they carry guns is to 'stop and prevent crime'...
Simply put, when criminals read your comment about "I'm not willing to shoot somebody over property", all that does is ENCOURAGE criminals to think they would have a 'free pass' to either start, or continue, to commit robberies, as long as they maintain their 'robberies' as property crimes.
@@mackman1245 Even a cop cant shoot someone to prevent a car from being burgled. Officers are only allowed to use deadly force in a situation where deadly force would be a reasonable response to some threat being posed to them or the public. If a cop sees you stealing a car they cant just kill you. If a cop sees you stealing a car, engagea you, and you attack the cop then deadly force might be reasonable. Police do not carry a gun to prevent or stop crime. They carry a gun to deal with situations where a reasonable threat of physical harm or death exists.
Thanks for rant John, I just ordered Deadly Force.
Be safe.
Randy
Just ordered a couple of books from Massad Ayoob mentioned here. Thanks for the suggestion!
They're all awesome. Glad you're reading!
I can vouch, the latter Ayoob-edited book John mentions, Straight Talk on Armed Defense, is fabulous. Without question, I fervently believe every person who intends to carry a firearm should read it.
I am an expert in firearms everything because I've watched all John Coreia's RUclips videos!
Haha JK, but I'm tired of people thinking RUclips is actual training. Thanks for your work John, I do love watching your great content but I'm only smart enough to know how little I actually know.
Yeah big difference between education and training!
Another great video. I have gone to many 2a legal classes and the ignorance is painful. And that is people who actually are trying to learn. So many are not.
Thanks John,
I got all three books to read. They are a perminant fixture in my library now. A lot of GREAT information. Again, thank you for directing me to these life saving information. There are two things I have and always will live by.
1) "KNOWLEDGE IS POWER"
And
2) I rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
God bless,
Lee I. Scott
Part of the issue is solved by being morally just. You don’t shoot people over property, those things can be replaced.
J M nope you gotta pay for a class first or buy you a fancy book.
What about it is a family heirloom? Or your sole means of transportation liability only insurance?
You can't just read statutes to know what the law is. Unless a court has determined what that statue means You may only be guessing
Sad but extremely true. I lost a case of an auto accident because the statute was interpreted nearly opposite to what it said.
Absolutely true, case law is extremely important. The law is a living thing. People who read statutes and think they've got it all figured out are clueless.
Outstanding advice in this video. Thanks for sharing
Good rant! My instructors taught me to spot trouble coming from a distance so that I have a chance to avoid it and there-by avoid using force or violence in the first place. If I find myself in a place of trouble It's because I've made a mistake and my adversary should not suffer for that. I don't want to hurt anyone, but I will defend myself if need be. I like your videos, you remind me of my teachers. Keep up the great work.
Alex G
I love the rant John. Being a CPL, I can't help but be concerned about this very thing. I saw your interview with Massad Ayoob and ordered his book Deadly Force. I just started reading it and it's obvious the guy is a walking encyclopedia when it comes to legality of defending yourself. Its definitely shed light on those "warm fuzzies" we just assume are okay because we think they should be.
What's a cpl?
I, like many ccw holders am under educated about laws pertaining to use of deadly force. Your videos have inspired me to learn more about gun law and when said use is appropriate. I have been studying Colorado concealed carry laws and am learning more as I read on. I'm concerned enough about the potential consequences that I'm going to purchase the books that you've recommended. I carry a firearm but I also carry Sabre pepper gel. I'm a pretty easy mark for evil doers because l have a disability and I can't run. But I do know you can't shoot someone over property or because they punch you in the face. I have been working on my open handed skills because at the end of the day I don't want to shoot and or kill someone unless I have no option. I thank you. P.S. nevermind the haters.
Good on you for doing the work, Scott!
Thank you John!
Speak the truth brother! I'm a Texas resident and I run across Soo many ignorant "Texans" about carry laws. I conceal carry daily and I'm constantly trying to learn about the real laws and statutes in my state. Too many gun owners just want to shoot first ask questions later. If you understand the laws, and own a firearm you only then truly prepared for the unexpected. Stay safe and cover your ASP!
I actually had this discussion with my wife. My motorcycle was parked outside of my house and she asked me something along the lines of "would I be justified in using force to keep someone from stealing your bike?"
I said no. Arizona law says life has precedent over property. And I went on to explain that even if that wasnt the case. The bike has insurance. If you look through the door and see someone tampering with it. Lock the doors grab something to protect yourself and dial 911. If they try to come into the house that changes things. (Especially considering she was like 5 or 6 months pregnant at the time) but if all they want is my bike then let then have it I've got insurance I'll get another one. Your life is not worth losing over material items
I was talking to a gunsmith while he was drilling out a screw on my Ruger Mark IV, and I asked him if he sold aftermarket triggers for Glocks. He went absolutely off the rails about how you should never put an aftermarket trigger because apparently if you had to use it you would go straight to jail because you "modified your gun with the intention of shooting someone". He also said you could get sued because it would go off when a stock Glock wouldn't (not negligently, just a shorter, lighter trigger pull). 4:36 was me, standing, listening to the garbage that was profusely pouring out of his mouth, containing a rant so I could just get my Mark IV back and be on my way.
A lot of fudds own gun stores. Stopped by one store where the old lady said you can’t hold the “assault weapons” in the store. That shop didn’t last much longer.
Another shop in town was owned by this old fart who was always grouchy and was a nazi at his little range, forcing everyone to buy ammo from him. That place closed too.
( I shot a guy that was inside my car trying to steal it shot him and did 2 years) 🤔🤔🤗
Yikes!
Sorry to hear it, man.
That's stupid. You must live in a hardcore democratically controlled state with stupid ass gun control and self defense laws. Don't get me wrong, I'm not necessarily saying that you should've shot the guy unless it was absolutely necessary ( he was armed with a weapon and an immediate threat) but still....I find it unreasonable to get put in jail just for protecting your property from theft. However I digress because I don't fully know the circumstances of your situation. Where I'm from you have that right from a law called, my castle statute.
Great rant and needs to be said. Thanks for sharing.
Great video. Thinking you know something you don't really know is a dangerous situation in and of itself.
I would rather die then end up in prison for defending myself. That's just me, I love all of you sheep-dogs out there, thank you.
But I choose death over prison or jail. I know if I die then I still have a chance to meet Jesus Christ. prison destroys people far more than so called lack of "freedom".. you loose everything, your home, your family, your job, you loose your mind, you loose your soul, your spirit, your dignity, there is nothing left.
I lost. and my only dream is to one-day meet Jesus Christ.That is good news! Jesus!
I take all advice from my plumber. She knows how to clean my pipe! She's the best!
John I love how you're up-front to everything. You explain it all. I watch your ASP videos every night and it always teaches something new. Also, phenomenal job on getting healthier. If you're ever in Greeneville SC come to Clean Eatz and we'll take care of you. Cheers
I can’t stand when people see a video of someone trying to steal a bike or throwing something at someone’s car and people say: “I would have shot them dead.”
I’m just like really? You’re willing to take someone’s life over that? You’re willing to go to prison or pay thousands over a petty theft or vandalism? This is someone’s life we’re talking about. YOU NEED TO KNOW THE LAWS! You can only take a life if yours is threatened with death and great bodily harm.
Also brandishing is another favorite one I hear someone say they would just do. Learn your laws and understand them. This is heavy shit you’re dealing with. It’s not to be taken lightly..
Hey ASP.... I was born in 70 so I definitely got the reference. After I got my LTC ...in Texas... I signed up with Texas Law Shield, just received my packet from them. In my new member guide the instructions state that after using my firearm in a s d e I should 1) call 911, say my name, location and what assistance needed. That’s all for step 1. Except of course and including making sure the threat is control, putting up the firearm away if possible and do not disturb the scene. Step 2) call my lawyer... they provide a 24/7 emergency #..., comply with officers, keep hands visible, inform the police that I have been a victim of a crime, and then state “I wish to invoke my right to remain silent and I want to consult my attorney before making any statements , make no statement to anyone about the incident, accompany law enforcement if asked to but make no statements and do not make jokes or cute remarks...even I believe I’m innocent. I would like your input on this info...please.
I know a lot of companies who take that tack. I am not a lawyer, so take my input for what it is here. I think that the "say nothing" approach has the merit of not making you say too much, and that's good. I prefer the say MINIMAL approach to the say nothing approach, and saying it to the right people.
1. CAREFULLY establish the active dynamic. "That man attacked my wife with a hammer."
2. Establish that you're the victim. "I will sign the complaint, sir."
3. Point out evidence. "The hammer fell right there." "I kicked his gun over behind that wheel."
4. Point out witnesses. "That man saw what happened."
5. Tell the officer you'll offer your full cooperation once you've spoken to counsel. This invokes your rights and the officer can't keep questioning you at this point. Anything more, "Officer, I will cooperate fully once I have spoken to counsel. Thank you."
This isn't a script, but a path to say the RIGHT things to the RIGHT people at the RIGHT time.
Active Self Protection Extra ...ok. God forbid I should ever have to use my firearm, but I understand that it is imperative that I handle the situation correctly if I ever have to. Thanks for your response and also thank you for the work you do on your channels. I watch a lot of your vids in an effort to be as prepared as possible for something I hope will never happen. Again Thank you.
Active Self Protection Extra I read something alarming about “the right to remain silent” on the internet (yeah, I know) recently. It was not about shooting or killing in self defense. It was more of non-violent crime sort of thing. I’ll try to find a link if you’re interested .
I honestly don’t know if the following is true and has been used/misused in prosecutions. But I suspect it has been used and may be used on anyone at any time.
The gist of it was as follows. During questioning, much of the time the police/investigator may have not decided if you have committed a crime at all. They are just looking for info about the particular incident. They may think you are not involved at all. So Miranda rights will probably not be told to you.
But if you are involved in any way, no matter how insignificant it may seem to at the time, and you have not confirmed whether they are investigating you, at all, for any reason...you must ask them overtly if you are being investigated or are under suspicion, in any way. If they say yes, verbally express to them that you are invoking the Right to not self incriminate.
If they say no then you need to be very, very careful. They could change their mind at any time and legally not inform you.
The article that I read said that invoking the right to not self incriminate must be done at the beginning of the questioning. Stopping mid questioning may not be allowed especially in court. The court vs field investigation application of this advise was unclear. My impression was that this was only an absolute for testimony under oath in court but that was not made clear. The article did state, however, that the following similar tactics may be used by field investigators as a trap.
Field investigators may legally lie outright that you are not under suspicion or being investigated. They can legally lie to you about other people’s statements or testimony. They can lie to you about evidence. They can claim they have your fingerprints or DNA or hair or ballistic evidence as evidence when that is a complete lie. That is legal in most jurisdictions. Hence the need for extreme caution.
By asking you simple information like name, address, DOB, etc. and you answering voluntarily allows them to further question you without telling you that you are a suspect or being investigated. In other words, simply giving that information has given them a legal implication/excuse that you are cooperating and not exercising your right to remain silent. After giving the minimum obligated information required in the jurisdiction you must formally tell them that your are invoking your right to not self incriminate and will remain silent. And then you must remain totally silent. Say nothing. Nothing at all. Answer no questions. No matter how unrelated to the incident they may seem to be.
In court you are not allowed to stop in mid testimony, I believe. You can’t start answering benign questions including stating your name, age, address, DOB and then invoke your right to not self incriminate. Because you’ve already been testifying as to your name, etc. Especially, you can’t answer a bunch of softball questions and when they ask something you didn’t expect that may incriminate you suddenly invoke your right to not self incriminate.
After using a firearm in self defense, I understand your advice about presenting yourself as the victim, calling 911 first, etc.
Most likely you will be in an exaggerated sense of awareness and may feel eager to talk about it to help relax you or to help others confirm your proper decision making. You must use your maximum skills to remain calm. And to Shut Up.
If you have shot someone for any reason, no matter how legitimate it may seem to you.
You are definitely under investigation. Politely telling any questioning officers or investigators that you do not want to answer ANY questions at all until you have spoken to an attorney is very important. And that means ANY questions. You should if possible inform your spouse or relatives, if witnesses or have secondary seemingly, to them, unrelated or unimportant information, that you would prefer them not to answer any questions at that time, until you have spoken with a lawyer.
The police/investigators may not be happy at all about that. Try to avoid antagonizing them. But do not give in. Always err on the side of not speaking.
That’s it. Sorry it’s a long response/question.
What do you think?
ASP - In your response to Melon Rain, you sound very reasonable, but the seminars I attend through U.S.Law Shield advise against making such statements -- you have been involved in a critical incident and may exhibit the result of all the physiological/emotional turmoil that comes with it. I think it would be difficult to invoke your right to silence until you have spoken to counsel because we law-abiding citizens want to cooperate with law enforcement. However, I was once mugged at knifepoint, called 911 immediately afterwards, and reported I had been mugged at GUNPOINT! I had NO recollection of having said that--apparently, in the stress of the moment, I said 'gunpoint' instead of 'knifepoint.' The responding LEO treated me as if I were making up the whole thing after that.
+Michael Meyers ...couldn't read all of that, just goes on too long. However most people will hang themselves by saying too much, but saying too little will cause the police to start to investigate you as the perpetrator and then the DA will back them up. John's advice is good ...you've got to tell them "he attacked my wife with a hammer"... or whatever. Establish that you're the victim, THEN shut up.
There are a lot of experts that don't agree with Ayoob. Question anyone that claims to be an expert. If they tell you that using a gun with a trigger job will get you convicted, ask for actual cases as an example.
While there are a lot of loud mouths that say stupid things, the law regarding the justification of lethal force is not that complicated. Instructors like to make it sound complicated to sell classes.
mhfisc I try to study the area self defense law from all available sources. Who are the experts that don't agree with Ayoob?
That's why I like Paul Harrel...he speaks from actually living through being on the defensive shooters end.He shot and killed someone after his wife.
Google is your friend. I don't want to get into an anti-Ayoob discussion here. Just want to make the point that there are varying opinions.
I've googled alot. People may disagree with Ayoob but I've not found an expert who disagrees
mhfisc ....you sound like one of the internet lawyers. Oversimplify and talk with confidence. Not good enough. I don't think any expert is going to tell you using a gun with a trigger job is "going to get you convicted". Oversimplification. HOWEVER, the district attorney is going to call out to the jury the fact that you're gun has a trigger job to INCREASE HIS CHANCES of convicting you. That's a subtlety that seems to escape internet lawyers such as yourself.
OH I SHARE THIS GUYS ANNOYANCE, am researching my state, county, and city laws right now so I make sure I am legal and what not, and the other day a person we are "friends" with assured me that the "castle ordinance" would let me do whatever I want if someone comes in my house... I just quality let them be a "know it all", because even with "stand your ground" that is so not law here. I just will never get the looking to shoot to shoot mentality...
Bless you buddy. I’ve never seen you so worked up in a video. You can lead us to water but, it’s up to us to drink. 👏🇺🇸
Texas really is the greatest country ever lol 😂
I have the very unpopular opinion that gun law class should be mandatory for a carry license.
josh benware ...actually it isn't, you're another one of the internet idiots who thinks the Second Amendment doesn't include the first four words.
Nathan Stevens I've heard that BS, NRA spin before. Instead of being a parrot why don't you think for yourself? The gun industry doesn't need to hide from government regulation.
You guys all have your little talking points that you all recite and regurgitate just like a tape recorder. No thought behind it.
Nathan Stevens I agree with neither of you, in different ways. But feel strongly that the community represented by Mr. Stevens and his vitriol, and the backlash to it, is a much greater threat to my 2A rights than the one represented by Mr. Sevieria
Bradley S ...I would say you are correct! 😉 I'm only in favorable of reasonable firearm control, such as universal background checks and training before someone carries a weapon in public. What is really so bad about discovering if someone is a criminal or psycho before selling them a weapon? Don't you want people to understand gun safety and the law before they carry a deadly weapon with them?
The whole "domino effect" argument went out with Vietnam in my opinion (for those who are too young to remember, the domino effect was "once Vietnam falls, then it'll be another country, and another country, until everything's communist". A lot of lives were wasted by that false logic).
We can have some reasonable controls without the hysterical fear that all guns are going to be taken away.
Steven Sevieria your "domino effect" analogy is a misused ref herring. I think what you really mean to dismiss is a "slippery slope" argument. Which is actually a valid concern as its been a proven tactic of the left. Especially when folks like you who argue for "common sense" gun laws (whatever that means) also get lumped into the same crowd who openly write op-ed articles opining about repealing the 2A. Slippery slope indeed.
I do believe there is a difference between a "legal" gun owner and a "responsible" gun owner. It is responsible to get proper training. But regulating that, in practice, can easily become a de-facto infringement on my 2A right to self-defense.
I absolutely LOVE this man !! Cheers from Destin Florida.....if your ever in my neck of the wood, lmk and I'll buy you a 🍺👍🏼
Thank you for this channel, your comments and your videos.
Glad to help!
Texas!
rrp925 ...you can almost smell it from here
Steven Sevieria lol 😂 Steers and queers
Hawaii!!
Always has to be someone that has a smart ass comment about Texas. Grow up people.
You are absolutely correct John, I respect your expertise and enjoy your channel!
I’m as prepared as I can get for dealing with an attacker - it’s the legal system that has me terrified.
The best and wisest and most "Grown-up" dissertation on the subject anywhere on or off the internet.
Excellent advice. I'll be heading to Amazon to get those books.
Nice rant! Stay safe stay out of jail!! This reminds me of the “they can’t fire you for that” people. Alrighty then try it and see how that works out for you.
Good stuff as usual John! Seems like theres a lot of people who think they know everything and will say what they'll do from behind a keyboard. Most of us responsible ccw's will more than likely agree they hope to never ever have to use deadly force. God bless and keep up the mighty fine work! See you in Atlanta here soon!
Thank you! I know this is old but I see so many idiots online who say the dumbest things.. an example of the most common thing I see, "If someone comes to my door at 2a.m. they'll be met with a handgun to their head.".. for one, yes be cautious and wary of anyone at your door late at night, but that doesn't mean rip the door open with a fun pointed.. it could be police, could be someone needing help, could be a family member in trouble.. yes it could be a threat and you should be prepared for such, but either don't open the door, or keep your firearm handy but not necessarily in hand. You could slip and pull the trigger, or point it at someone who happens to be faster than you. Or let's say it is a stranger, you open the door, feel suspicious and pull the trigger, unless they've actually done anything to harm you or your family, you could be faced with terrible consequences because of what you thought was ok to do. Just because you legally carry, have the power to take a life, or the willingness to take a life, doesn't mean you should take any opportunity you can to do so.. your gun is a form of protection, but don't forget there are other forms. Don't rely on your firearm for every situation.. it should always be used as a last resort. Now, Keep in mind, I'm not a professional, an instructor, or anyone in any way able to tell you how to do anything. But just remember that you can be charged with taking a life in many situations where you thought you were protected.