Hey John, you didn't link in the descript. or put a banner in the video to direct folks to your video showing what makes a holder acceptable. You mentioned you would in this vid. Just letting yah know.
I’ve carried for years but only transitioned to Appendix fairly recently. For me, it’s by far the most concealable form of carry and the most comfortable!
CC California I personally carry a walther pps it’s a single stack comes with a 6 and 7 round magazine I carry both 6+1 and 7 on the side. it’s pretty light. the muzzle length isn’t long, so if you’re like me and move, crouch and bend down often, it mostly stays out of the way and doesn’t stick in your leg or impede much. Great conceal carry in my opinion
I don't think the choice of position matters nearly as much as practicing drawing and holstering in your chosen position. Any position is great if you can do it safely, consistently and comfortably. And that ONLY comes with practice. Thanks for the info as always, John!
I carry appendix with the caveat that I avoid a Stryker fired handgun UNLESS it has an additional safety (P365 ms, XDS grip safety). For me and my lifestyle it’s just more comfortable and easier to conceal. Reno0513, you nailed it.
aiwb only works if you're either obese and you have a gut that sits on top of the holster that breaks up the shape of the grip, or if you're skinny and have a concave stomach to stash the holster entirely. or if you just like wearing a tony of extra layers. for a non anorexic mesomorph kind of guy who lives in the desert or similar climates, you're gonna have to wear 2 to 4 o clock, even with a claw, and possibly using micro compacts. i swear the way they used to carry full sized guns back in the day concealed must have sold tons of fishing vests, unfortunately those vests are now a "tell"
Tactical shelf. Choked on my drink/10. This is a fantastic channel and you're a fantastic source of wisdom and thought on everything conceal carry sir. I recently sold my kimber raptor to my best friend and purchased a vp9sk, and I absolutely love it.
As a dentist, it is very hard to sit and stand repeatedlycduring the day with AIWB. So I carry strongside on weekdays. Now, during the weekends, I'm AIWB all the way with KSG's Velox
I use vp9sk in KSG Sidekick at a desk job, after about a week of getting used to it, attending and sitting not a big deal. But now with p365, I don't feel a thing! And that's without the wedge, currently using a Vedder Light Tuck with claw. Highly recommend! This set-up.
Good explaination! I think another aspect in the retention portion is that you can have two hands pushing down to secure if its a fight, much stronger position for retention if someone wants to play good touch bad touch.
Cool explanation on blading and grappling positioning. Good job of the shelf reduction as well. Another AIWB benefit is in vehicles or whenever seated, it's still right there and available. In a car it's much tougher to get the gun out if it's on your side.
Very good points and things that I never considered. Not saying I am going away from my 4 o'clock position, but you have given me food for thought. Thanks.
I practice draw with a dummy gun in my Vedder appendix holster with a heavy duty belt clip. My live firearm goes into my holster in hand first then I slip it into the appendix position on my belt. At the end of the day I pull off The holster & gun as one. In the unlikely event of having to draw my gun I would simply use my left hand to get under the clip and pull the appendix position holster out and reinsert my firearm in hand then slip it back into the appendix position as one. I feel like that's the best way for me. Thanks for all the great info john.
I think John produced an informative, well-done piece on IWBAC. Thank you! For me, who has been CC since mid-80s, and as a right-handed shooter, OWB @ 3:00 with my current EDC, G43 in a DeSantis Mini-Scabbard (good retention), spare mag in Glock carrier on left side, has worked well. IWBAC (for me) is uncomfortable when seated. I’m a “senior,” a little chunky now but earlier in life when 5’10” and around 170 lbs, IWBAC still was uncomfortable.
Thanks for the details. I don't carry concealed yet, and since I usually have to wear a business suit often, I am leaning toward appendix carry as the best way to conceal the bulge. I am generally above average in fit, so i can wear at any position, but I think this is the least obvious place anybody would notice - with or without a suit jacket on. Your video has helped assuage certain lingering concerns, since I have not really gone into these details with any of my firearms instructors yet about this position. I just keep paying attention and collecting observations and insights from current users...
What? You are tucking in a properly fitted shirt under a jacket and a gun is _less_ visible in front of your body then at +/_ 3 o'clock? If you use a "tuckable" itwill bulge your shirt in front unless you bag it like a shmuck, and then you have to rip a properly tucked dress shirt with real tails out over the gun. Conversely, at 3 or 3:30 you just sweep the jacket with your bladed right hand (and a bit of weight in the right pocket or inserted in the right seam and draw with one hand while your left is free for defense. Appendix relies on dressing like a slob and requires two hands.
I have a tactical shelf. I carry appendix. I will disagree with you on one point: when I sit down, I know the pistol is pointed at my junk. It's not something I'm "afraid of" but it does stay in my thoughts at times. Call me naive in trusting my gun that much but the gun is only out of the holster when I'm training. Gun stays in the holster when I'm attaching or taking it off my belt.
@@ASPextra absolutely this. I dont know how many times people will say, its pointing at you when you're sitting down. No it's not when its holstered it's just a chunk of metal. John are you on reddit? Reddit.com/r/ccw could benefit from your expertise, there can be a lot of misinformation on there.
@@dillonpatterson4310 I just don't have time to participate over there. I am at my limits with what I am doing, and arguing with strangers on the internet is frustrating. :)
@@ASPextra Isn't that the honest truth lol. You can't logic someone out of an argument they didnt logic themselves into. I appreciate you taking your time to reply, thanks for all the work you do. It's hard to find the time and money for quality training with a family but your videos are always good supplements and lessons. Thanks again.
I love my sidekick or whatever it’s called from KSG armory. But I adjusted the cant to see how carrying behind the hip is. First thing I noticed was I couldn’t see the holster at all while trying to reholster
Thank you. I realize this video is a year old now, but I just found it. Newbie shooter here, I've owned a handgun for only a few months, and I appendix carry because I have spine and shoulder mobility issues that prevent me from being able to draw from 4 and makes 3 difficult, and 2. After seeing all of the other videos about how bad appendix carry is, it's refreshing to see some that show that is is at least as safe as a hip carry, or at least can be if the user isn't an idiot.
I gave AIWB a try, and while I liked how well it concealed, I went back to 4 O'Clock. My biggest issue was not being able to draw while seated in a car with a seat belt on.
@@ASPextra Lean slightly left-forward, draw. Where is this huge problem people keep bringing up? What I see is the "fear" of appendix is a strawman, it has a host of pragmatic issues for people who can't run around in casual-casual all day.
This was a great video for less skilled people like myself, so much useful information for both the actual carrying and how not to send yourself to the ER or take the ambient air temperature challenge.
I think, especially with people new to concealed carry, comfort is a big deal. It's hard to get a grown man or woman to get used to doing something on a daily basis when there is a more comfortable alternative. Also, an uncomfortable setup will probably lead to the gun being carried less often. I'm fairly new myself, but that's just my opinion.
Hi John - am watching several of your instructional videos as a refresher. I carry appendix, and believe that is the best draw from being seated (in a car).
Most people who said appendix carry is uncomfortable are those who use an 3-4 o’clock holster type and just use it for appendix. Some won’t give it a month to get the feel of it. I work 10h-12h a day sitting and standing. I use both appendix and 3:30 carry. Depend on my cloth/mood that day. No matter what position you carry. It will feel uncomfortable during the first few weeks. You will learn how to adjust the holster, pant, or belt just a little bit and all the discomfort disappear. It’s going to be second nature on the small adjustment throughout the day if you carry long enough. As for blowing off your junk. Get yourself a good made holster with a hard trigger guard. Stop unholster and holstering your gun while it’s on you. Gun does not fire unless trigger is pulled. P.S I am a short 5ft4 Asian 200lb. I can carry both with shirt tuck and won’t print. You can do it with enough carrying time and dress around your gun. Give it time.
I appreciate and greatly value Jon's dedication and experience. For me....appendix...just can't do it. Tried three different brand AIWB: AXIS, Phlstr, TXC. Trained extensively, live and dry. It's really a psychological issue, for me. My formative training at FAS was all using strong side IWB @ 4 o'clock. (I showed up my first day with my G19 riding in a Galco "Miami Vice" special, we all make mistakes!) Mass respect for Rick and Marty. For EDCC, I have to stay with strong side IWB and strong side OWB with my 10mm "bruin tamer" in the back country. Just my experience.
Yeah Marty absolutely loathes AIWB carry. Like passionately, for some reason. And of course when your first formative teacher really ingrains something into you, that's hard to overcome. I wish he'd moderate his approach on that issue, and a couple of others too.
You said that your gun will not point at your artery, but what happens when you sit down? Your bending the front part of your body inwards at about a ninety degree angle. In that situation I am pretty sure that foam pad is not going to do much to prevent the gun from pointing at the artery or your junk. I still think you made some good points, but that particular aspect is still severe enough to me that I am going to have to think carefully about carrying appendix, I might try it at least, but to do it long term may or may not happen.
I think it's the best too. But I can't get over the fact that it's always pointed at my wobbly bits. It's near impossible it would ever happen but if I had to get shot with my holstered firearm, I'd rather be shot in the butt check, than in my man hood and family jewels.
@@ASPextra Ok, I get what you're saying when you say 'not pointed' (I read your same answer in another comment). Domino52o, a firearm is not pointed at anyone/anything, if it's not in a 'state of readiness', and because the trigger is not accessible, it's not in a state of readiness.. i.e., at the gun range, because of the way it's carried, EVERY rifle being brought inside is 'pointed' at people, but because it's inaccessible, it's not considered the same as someone holding a gun and 'pointing' that gun (empty or loaded) at someone. Active Self Protection Extra It's a good idea to define 'pointed' firearms, to save having to give the same answer over and over, especially with AIWB topics!
After seeing just how many people de-cocked themselves with a striker fired pistol, I decided to go with a Double Action/Single action with a decocker.
I know “a guy” that is a utility company lineman in the violent “ghetto” that’s been in multiple scrapes and has determined that criminals tend to “test” you when you’re at the most vulnerable, like when you’re wearing your climbing belt rig and half way up a pole. Iwb isn’t an option for this guy so pocket carry seems best for guys in any sort of tool belt. I think you’re the most valuable resource for common sense detached reasoning in this topic followed by Paul Harrel
I’d prefer all new shooters to learn how to use an OWB holster before transitioning to any Iwb holster. Build good habits. Second, visually clearing your holster is all well and good until the lights are out.....use your thumb to clear the holster. Third edit: John, this video is kind of BS. You’re justifying good appendix technique by showing terrible strong side techniques. It’s a false dichotomy dude. There are good arguments to be made but you didn’t make them
I am telling you what I see, again and again, as strong side errors. Happens all the time. Not saying you can't reholster safely strong side because you can. But the visual inspection thing is a sure problem strong side. That's not technique. Also, "reholster in the dark?" How many CCW gunfights do you think there are that require a pitch black reholster? I would say that number is vanishingly small.
Active Self Protection Extra it’s less about CCW gunfights and more about every time the gun comes out to search a home or property in the dark that doesn’t end in a gun fight. Reholstering in the dark isn’t irrelevant just because it’s not on camera, don’t be obtuse. If someone has bad technique when reholster it’s dangerous. If someone has good technique it’s less dangerous regardless of carry location. This argument as a justification for appendix falls flat. My opinion.
The biggest challenge of appendix carry for me is being able to access my firearm while driving or sitting in a car. Now I'm talking about inside the waistband. I am hugely open to other methods of carrying that allows me to defend myself while inside an automobile while having the firearm on my person. The reason for and why is I drive for a ride sharing app. Also some some videos on tactics on how to defend or defuse situations that may arise from inside a vehicle would be cool.
Good day John, I know I'm late to the party but you're no idiot. I too find AIWB best for me. The only extra step I take when holstering is put my thumb on the hammer. Keep up the great content.
Excellent points pertaining to AIWB, John. I do either pocket carry or appendix carry. Thank you for your educational vids. I’m fairly new to ASP Extra, but I’ve watched the lion’s share of your ASP channel. my only complaint about this video is the red laser damaged my eyes 😂 the laser beam came out of my iPad and got me... God bless,
Agree completely, assuming the individual is comfortable carrying in that position, both physically and mentally. I've had several people ask me, "aren't you afraid you'll shoot your d@#k off"? Well, No. Exercise safe gun handling skills and use an appropriate holster and you'll be fine. I've come to love appendix carry for all the reasons you stated.
if i where mine strong side. i index the acc rail and slide it back until the muzzle clears and goes into its home. the whole time the mizzle is aimed down range until the muzzle clears and seats properly. cant do that appendix might break the 180 rule or accident point it at someone next to you. so indexing the side of the gun to the top side of the holster and dragging until it clears then seating is my way of doing it to. good info but there are ways to not flag yourself when carrying on the hip although slightly harder with a holster so close to the body. haha
appendix carry is the easiest way for me to carry. but depending on the size of the gun can dig into your gut when you bend over to pick something up or tie your shoe laces. I also don't trust striker fired pistols for appendix carry like Glocks. I think a DA/SA gun or revolver is better for appendix carry.....but if that's all you got then you do what you can
I too carry an HK VP9 after switching from the venerable 1911 in .45 cal. When I was younger and bit thinner, AIWB was an okay option. Concealment was easier but mobility suffered. Now, that I've grown into my dad bod, AIWB is painful, cuts mobility, and is difficult. IWB strong side is about the only way to carry if you've got a few extra pounds but are generally small or medium framed. You've lost a bunch of weight over the last year, but you're still a large frame guy. I think this method works for you but would be ineffective for people built like me.
That's a VERY interesting theory I've never heard before It actually sounds very well thought out, and to be honest, I actually agree with everything you've said.
I really really really want to like appendix carry. I give it an honest try, usually for a few days, probably once a year. I I can never get it to stick. I always go back to the (tactically inferior) 5 o’clock position.
Active Self Protection Extra Yeah, their customer service is great. I got one for my first ever handgun and they walked me through what everything was and what was probably best for my needs.
I see your point BUT it's the burrito spot if your finger or something is in the holster at the trigger spot of and a double action only pistol bang no junk or a shot femoral artery
I prefer appendix carry. But due to a disability, an appendix carry left makes a cross draw with my right hand works best for me. Can you do a video on the pro/con of appendix cross draw?👍
@John, I agree AIWB is best! Unfortunately, it doesn't work with my pajamas, sweatpants, casual sundresses. But my neoprene belly band does! Strong side though. (I'm a court reporter and I work from home except when wearing my NRA instructor hat and teaching at the range.)
@@ASPextra , I will check those out, thank you! I wear the belly band on the outside of my clothes with a cover shirt. Just looks like a wide belt or a back support. Can't even tell it's there if I"m wearing black. I'm very careful, and if the tight gun pocket starts getting loose or wavy, I buy a new one.
John can you talk about carrying at 12 o'clock. It's the most comfortable and concealed I can get with my SA xd model 2, 4" when carrying IWB. My son is in Law Enforcement and taught me to push in on sweat guard when I reholster which actually positions the muzzle away from me slightly. Also with the muzzle at 12 it isn't pointing at me even when seated, it's right between my legs and as a lady of course I don't have the "bits and peices " in the way. My question is, is there anything unique to 12 o'clock carry I should be aware of? I literally can not find anyone talking about this. Am I missing something? I do have to buckle my belt at 2 o'clock to clip it this way but that's not been an issue.
@@ASPextra Okay, I just see most AIWB carrying like you were, more in between like 1:30 so I wasn't sure if there was anything different I needed to be aware of. Great video. Thanks as always for the educational videos.
Hi John, I'm finally able to get a Sig P365 now I need a high quality holster. I carry appendix do you have any recommendations? Is kydex good? I'm kinda lost in the sauce when it comes to a good holster. I've been using a cheap in the pant holster from Walmart. Time to step it up.👍
I have to laugh when I hear people talk about "how hard it is to conceal full size guns." LOL MY EDC is the FNX 45 Tactical with a 5.3" threaded barrel, suppressor height sights, a Trijicon RMR, and a double stack 15 round magazine... plus at least one extra magazine, sometimes TWO.... LOL I carry it in the AIWB position, every day, without ANY problem, even when driving. And... I'm NOT "slim," by any means!
Getting a holster that allows a red dot AND a light isn’t easy. I’m currently using (in my home & yard only since I’m in CA) an outside the waistband strong side holster that I changed the cant on and wear appendix. It works ok. Appendix also allows me to get at knives & pepper spray in pockets.
It's uncomfortable sometimes my holster puts a lot of pressure on my pelvic bone from time to time. It's an easy fix but I just haven't felt compelled to do it because I wasn't carrying much during the semester for obvious reasons.
Hey john I need help with a holster! I’m a CCW Holder and I’m in a wheelchair! Also left handed! I’m being completely serious BTW! My chairs seat belt gets in the way of wearing a AIWB or IWB help me!
Where are you located? Message me on Facebook and I’ll see if I can find someone in your area to help you out with your specific access and functional needs.
Good job on the weight loss, John. I carry 3 o'clock, but I'm working on my tactical shelf. I've lost 20 lbs this month. Does a wedge on the holster help to keep from printing? I'm onboard with aiwb being the best method.
What do you do for carrying when you're in the car driving (USA, driver on the left)? Can't strong side carry if you're right-handed because it interferes with the seat belt latch. Can't use a shoulder holster if you're not wearing a jacket. Appendix carry is uncomfortable with the lap belt, but possible. Small of the back carry is uncomfortable with the seat, plus I hate that method anyway.
Reholstering at the 3 to 4 o'clock positions is IMO, by far safer. Every time i reholster my gun, i do it SLOWLY AND CAREFULLY. I push my hip out so when I reholster, the muzzle never points at any part of my body. I know from experience that carrying AIWB, I'm much more likely to flag a part of my body. Also, I've learned in defensive tactics training that blading your body provides you with a much more stable base to allow you to fight off a threat. Case on point, stand up squarely in front of someone and have them push you, then stand up in front of that same person with your strong leg bladed behind you. In which scenario would you imagine yourself landing on your a$$.
@ASPextra so does full stop mean you've made your point and there is no further debate? 🤣 Maybe easier for you, but IMO, not better or safer. But to each his own.
vote for 3oclock. It allows to be on Side stance or semi-side stance to cover or hide gun drawing moment, especially when 1 hand fights. Sitting in the car and 3 oclock draw is hardly visible. 3oclock carry is the closiest to military instant access leg-holster position.
The problem with AIWB is some of us actually where clothes that fit us.. Our pants are not 3 sizes to big and our shirts contour and don't drape like crazy. Also I see people carrying stuff like a glock 34 I mean no matter where you put the gun in appendix its going dig in somewhere if you actually do anything but stand straight up... So that kinda rules out doing any kind of work.
I think you're caricaturing. Any IWB holster requires a bit more waist size, and that's the way 99.9% of people carry a gun. Also, some drape of shirt will be required to conceal on the hip as well. So really these objections are disingenuous.
Im a very thin guy and it is litteraly impossible to cary my full size cz apendix without the grip sticking out 6 miles it conceals much better at the 4 o'clock Position . good advice tho ill keep this in mind
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Hey John, you didn't link in the descript. or put a banner in the video to direct folks to your video showing what makes a holder acceptable. You mentioned you would in this vid. Just letting yah know.
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HAMMER DOWN John, weight loss is looking great
Thanks!
@@ASPextra What wedge would you recommend for an AIWB rig?
Fabspeedy not sure what holster you’re running but tier 1 concealed has wedge sizing packs for $15. 4 different sizes.
@@nightman5086 Thanks. I'll take a look.
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I’ve carried for years but only transitioned to Appendix fairly recently. For me, it’s by far the most concealable form of carry and the most comfortable!
Mind me asking what you prefer to carry appendix? Thanks 👍
CC California I personally carry a walther pps it’s a single stack comes with a 6 and 7 round magazine I carry both 6+1 and 7 on the side. it’s pretty light. the muzzle length isn’t long, so if you’re like me and move, crouch and bend down often, it mostly stays out of the way and doesn’t stick in your leg or impede much. Great conceal carry in my opinion
I don't think the choice of position matters nearly as much as practicing drawing and holstering in your chosen position. Any position is great if you can do it safely, consistently and comfortably. And that ONLY comes with practice. Thanks for the info as always, John!
I carry appendix with the caveat that I avoid a Stryker fired handgun UNLESS it has an additional safety (P365 ms, XDS grip safety). For me and my lifestyle it’s just more comfortable and easier to conceal. Reno0513, you nailed it.
aiwb only works if you're either obese and you have a gut that sits on top of the holster that breaks up the shape of the grip, or if you're skinny and have a concave stomach to stash the holster entirely. or if you just like wearing a tony of extra layers. for a non anorexic mesomorph kind of guy who lives in the desert or similar climates, you're gonna have to wear 2 to 4 o clock, even with a claw, and possibly using micro compacts. i swear the way they used to carry full sized guns back in the day concealed must have sold tons of fishing vests, unfortunately those vests are now a "tell"
Tactical shelf. Choked on my drink/10. This is a fantastic channel and you're a fantastic source of wisdom and thought on everything conceal carry sir. I recently sold my kimber raptor to my best friend and purchased a vp9sk, and I absolutely love it.
Here in Wisconsin it’s winter 9/12 months of the year so we CAN wear three guns because of all the winter weather gear 👍🔥🥃
YEAH BUT GoOO LUCK GETTING TO IT UNDER ALL THAT damn winter gear.
From your profile picture I can tell your a fellow man of culture 😉👍
We Are Kicking you out of the " Fat Guy Club " 😅 keep on producing awesome content man I love what you do for our firearms industry 👍🏽👍🏽😎🇺🇸
Haha I love it! Still have 30 pounds to go.
As a dentist, it is very hard to sit and stand repeatedlycduring the day with AIWB. So I carry strongside on weekdays. Now, during the weekends, I'm AIWB all the way with KSG's Velox
jonirokets I would have thought a dentist to be carrying while at work, but I think it’s awesome. Carry everywhere, all the time, no excuses. 👍🏻
Consistency of carry technique is probably best. Choose one and stick to it.
@@godgunsandgoldens I do know that. However, I prefer AIWB, but my line of work doe not allow me to do it comfortably. That is why I train both ways
@@derekh2068 aw yeah. Carry everytime, everywhere i can
I use vp9sk in KSG Sidekick at a desk job, after about a week of getting used to it, attending and sitting not a big deal.
But now with p365, I don't feel a thing! And that's without the wedge, currently using a Vedder Light Tuck with claw. Highly recommend! This set-up.
“Obviously we’d never wear 3 holsters”
You underestimate my tacticool power
Only three?
It's a sign of the times when I don't remember what hugs at church are like lol
Amen!
Good explaination! I think another aspect in the retention portion is that you can have two hands pushing down to secure if its a fight, much stronger position for retention if someone wants to play good touch bad touch.
I haven’t been watching the channel that much but dude you’re looking awesome. You’re killin it. Keep gettin smaller.
Cool explanation on blading and grappling positioning. Good job of the shelf reduction as well. Another AIWB benefit is in vehicles or whenever seated, it's still right there and available. In a car it's much tougher to get the gun out if it's on your side.
“Enahnaced tactical shelf” lol
I laughed at that too, heard it called a Tactical Muffin Top earlier 😆
John, tactical shelf also known as “balcony over toy shop” 😁 Thx for your awesome content.. Bath UK.
Haha!
Very good points and things that I never considered. Not saying I am going away from my 4 o'clock position, but you have given me food for thought. Thanks.
I practice draw with a dummy gun in my Vedder appendix holster with a heavy duty belt clip. My live firearm goes into my holster in hand first then I slip it into the appendix position on my belt. At the end of the day I pull off The holster & gun as one. In the unlikely event of having to draw my gun I would simply use my left hand to get under the clip and pull the appendix position holster out and reinsert my firearm in hand then slip it back into the appendix position as one. I feel like that's the best way for me. Thanks for all the great info john.
I think John produced an informative, well-done piece on IWBAC. Thank you! For me, who has been CC since mid-80s, and as a right-handed shooter, OWB @ 3:00 with my current EDC, G43 in a DeSantis Mini-Scabbard (good retention), spare mag in Glock carrier on left side, has worked well. IWBAC (for me) is uncomfortable when seated. I’m a “senior,” a little chunky now but earlier in life when 5’10” and around 170 lbs, IWBAC still was uncomfortable.
Thanks for the details. I don't carry concealed yet, and since I usually have to wear a business suit often, I am leaning toward appendix carry as the best way to conceal the bulge. I am generally above average in fit, so i can wear at any position, but I think this is the least obvious place anybody would notice - with or without a suit jacket on. Your video has helped assuage certain lingering concerns, since I have not really gone into these details with any of my firearms instructors yet about this position. I just keep paying attention and collecting observations and insights from current users...
What? You are tucking in a properly fitted shirt under a jacket and a gun is _less_ visible in front of your body then at +/_ 3 o'clock? If you use a "tuckable" itwill bulge your shirt in front unless you bag it like a shmuck, and then you have to rip a properly tucked dress shirt with real tails out over the gun. Conversely, at 3 or 3:30 you just sweep the jacket with your bladed right hand (and a bit of weight in the right pocket or inserted in the right seam and draw with one hand while your left is free for defense. Appendix relies on dressing like a slob and requires two hands.
I have a tactical shelf. I carry appendix. I will disagree with you on one point: when I sit down, I know the pistol is pointed at my junk. It's not something I'm "afraid of" but it does stay in my thoughts at times. Call me naive in trusting my gun that much but the gun is only out of the holster when I'm training. Gun stays in the holster when I'm attaching or taking it off my belt.
Holstered firearms are not pointed, just the same as cased firearms.
@@ASPextra absolutely this. I dont know how many times people will say, its pointing at you when you're sitting down. No it's not when its holstered it's just a chunk of metal. John are you on reddit? Reddit.com/r/ccw could benefit from your expertise, there can be a lot of misinformation on there.
@@dillonpatterson4310 I just don't have time to participate over there. I am at my limits with what I am doing, and arguing with strangers on the internet is frustrating. :)
@@ASPextra Isn't that the honest truth lol. You can't logic someone out of an argument they didnt logic themselves into. I appreciate you taking your time to reply, thanks for all the work you do. It's hard to find the time and money for quality training with a family but your videos are always good supplements and lessons. Thanks again.
I am new to this world and just seeing the options that exist, I knew that this should be the safest way for obvious reasons. good job
I love my sidekick or whatever it’s called from KSG armory. But I adjusted the cant to see how carrying behind the hip is. First thing I noticed was I couldn’t see the holster at all while trying to reholster
Thank you. I realize this video is a year old now, but I just found it. Newbie shooter here, I've owned a handgun for only a few months, and I appendix carry because I have spine and shoulder mobility issues that prevent me from being able to draw from 4 and makes 3 difficult, and 2. After seeing all of the other videos about how bad appendix carry is, it's refreshing to see some that show that is is at least as safe as a hip carry, or at least can be if the user isn't an idiot.
Shoulder mobility issues is a GREAT reason to go with appendix carry. Just do so safely, like I showed in this video. :)
I gave AIWB a try, and while I liked how well it concealed, I went back to 4 O'Clock. My biggest issue was not being able to draw while seated in a car with a seat belt on.
I would encourage you to rethink that. AIWB while in the car is super easy to draw from. Easier than strong side.
Active Self Protection Extra
How? The few times I carried appt. I Israely carried.
@@ASPextra Lean slightly left-forward, draw. Where is this huge problem people keep bringing up? What I see is the "fear" of appendix is a strawman, it has a host of pragmatic issues for people who can't run around in casual-casual all day.
This was a great video for less skilled people like myself, so much useful information for both the actual carrying and how not to send yourself to the ER or take the ambient air temperature challenge.
Thanks Lynda!
I think, especially with people new to concealed carry, comfort is a big deal. It's hard to get a grown man or woman to get used to doing something on a daily basis when there is a more comfortable alternative. Also, an uncomfortable setup will probably lead to the gun being carried less often. I'm fairly new myself, but that's just my opinion.
Hi John - am watching several of your instructional videos as a refresher. I carry appendix, and believe that is the best draw from being seated (in a car).
As a pastor do you give sermons? If love to come see you sometime. I always forget your a pastor. So cool, youre an inspiration to many. Keep it up
Well, I resigned my pastorate in February 2018 so I am not regularly preaching now. I teach at my small group a couple of times a month.
John you’re the best, we all look to you to keep on our toes, and to “keep our toes” lol.
Totally agree with everything you said. We appendix carry everyday and have since day one. Great stuff John.
Agreed. I teach AIWB as a primary option.
Most people who said appendix carry is uncomfortable are those who use an 3-4 o’clock holster type and just use it for appendix. Some won’t give it a month to get the feel of it. I work 10h-12h a day sitting and standing. I use both appendix and 3:30 carry. Depend on my cloth/mood that day. No matter what position you carry. It will feel uncomfortable during the first few weeks. You will learn how to adjust the holster, pant, or belt just a little bit and all the discomfort disappear. It’s going to be second nature on the small adjustment throughout the day if you carry long enough. As for blowing off your junk. Get yourself a good made holster with a hard trigger guard. Stop unholster and holstering your gun while it’s on you. Gun does not fire unless trigger is pulled.
P.S I am a short 5ft4 Asian 200lb. I can carry both with shirt tuck and won’t print. You can do it with enough carrying time and dress around your gun. Give it time.
Thanks for the insight John. I’m getting so much out of these videos and the main channel. Thanks for the great insights brother 💪🏻
My pleasure!
This channel is awesome. I don't even have my permit yet, but I feel like I am learning so much with your videos. Thanks!
Happy to help!
watching this in 2020. Seeing a case of Tula for sale for 149 hurts so much when prices have quadrupled.
I appreciate and greatly value Jon's dedication and experience. For me....appendix...just can't do it. Tried three different brand AIWB: AXIS, Phlstr, TXC. Trained extensively, live and dry. It's really a psychological issue, for me. My formative training at FAS was all using strong side IWB @ 4 o'clock. (I showed up my first day with my G19 riding in a Galco "Miami Vice" special, we all make mistakes!) Mass respect for Rick and Marty. For EDCC, I have to stay with strong side IWB and strong side OWB with my 10mm "bruin tamer" in the back country. Just my experience.
Yeah Marty absolutely loathes AIWB carry. Like passionately, for some reason. And of course when your first formative teacher really ingrains something into you, that's hard to overcome. I wish he'd moderate his approach on that issue, and a couple of others too.
The only reason I don’t appendix carry is because my pistols have long slides and barrels, making it very uncomfortable when I sit down or bend over.
Longer gun is actually better for AIWB.
You said that your gun will not point at your artery, but what happens when you sit down? Your bending the front part of your body inwards at about a ninety degree angle. In that situation I am pretty sure that foam pad is not going to do much to prevent the gun from pointing at the artery or your junk. I still think you made some good points, but that particular aspect is still severe enough to me that I am going to have to think carefully about carrying appendix, I might try it at least, but to do it long term may or may not happen.
Holstered guns are not pointed.
Firearm rules apply when they are in the hands of humans.
Great video, I gained a lot of useful info from you. I'm not going to any training classes,
just getting it off these videos...
Glad to help, although quality in-person training is invaluable.
I think it's the best too. But I can't get over the fact that it's always pointed at my wobbly bits.
It's near impossible it would ever happen but if I had to get shot with my holstered firearm, I'd rather be shot in the butt check, than in my man hood and family jewels.
Holstered firearms are not pointed, just the same as cased firearms.
@@ASPextra Ok, I get what you're saying when you say 'not pointed' (I read your same answer in another comment). Domino52o, a firearm is not pointed at anyone/anything, if it's not in a 'state of readiness', and because the trigger is not accessible, it's not in a state of readiness.. i.e., at the gun range, because of the way it's carried, EVERY rifle being brought inside is 'pointed' at people, but because it's inaccessible, it's not considered the same as someone holding a gun and 'pointing' that gun (empty or loaded) at someone.
Active Self Protection Extra It's a good idea to define 'pointed' firearms, to save having to give the same answer over and over, especially with AIWB topics!
"..that you never do, put all of these on..." John Bianchi laughs in "Blue Steel and Gun Leather." ;)
thank you John
After seeing just how many people de-cocked themselves with a striker fired pistol, I decided to go with a Double Action/Single action with a decocker.
I know “a guy” that is a utility company lineman in the violent “ghetto” that’s been in multiple scrapes and has determined that criminals tend to “test” you when you’re at the most vulnerable, like when you’re wearing your climbing belt rig and half way up a pole. Iwb isn’t an option for this guy so pocket carry seems best for guys in any sort of tool belt.
I think you’re the most valuable resource for common sense detached reasoning in this topic followed by Paul Harrel
Yeah I mean, special circumstances call for individual solutions.
If I knew you were this responsive with your replies I’d have been more considered in my comment.
You run a good program
I’d prefer all new shooters to learn how to use an OWB holster before transitioning to any Iwb holster. Build good habits. Second, visually clearing your holster is all well and good until the lights are out.....use your thumb to clear the holster.
Third edit: John, this video is kind of BS. You’re justifying good appendix technique by showing terrible strong side techniques. It’s a false dichotomy dude. There are good arguments to be made but you didn’t make them
I am telling you what I see, again and again, as strong side errors. Happens all the time. Not saying you can't reholster safely strong side because you can. But the visual inspection thing is a sure problem strong side. That's not technique. Also, "reholster in the dark?" How many CCW gunfights do you think there are that require a pitch black reholster? I would say that number is vanishingly small.
Active Self Protection Extra it’s less about CCW gunfights and more about every time the gun comes out to search a home or property in the dark that doesn’t end in a gun fight. Reholstering in the dark isn’t irrelevant just because it’s not on camera, don’t be obtuse.
If someone has bad technique when reholster it’s dangerous. If someone has good technique it’s less dangerous regardless of carry location. This argument as a justification for appendix falls flat. My opinion.
Big_Roach011 if it doesnt end in a gun fight why not pull out your flashlight or better yet flip the light switch on to see?
The biggest challenge of appendix carry for me is being able to access my firearm while driving or sitting in a car. Now I'm talking about inside the waistband. I am hugely open to other methods of carrying that allows me to defend myself while inside an automobile while having the firearm on my person. The reason for and why is I drive for a ride sharing app. Also some some videos on tactics on how to defend or defuse situations that may arise from inside a vehicle would be cool.
Drawing while seated in your car is super easy AIWB.
ruclips.net/video/U0wjrVXZwnc/видео.html good video on doing just that. :)
@@ASPextra thank you.
Good day John, I know I'm late to the party but you're no idiot. I too find AIWB best for me. The only extra step I take when holstering is put my thumb on the hammer. Keep up the great content.
Do what keeps you from printing and able to sit. Also for aiwb get the wedge. Much more comfy and keeps the barrel pointed away from johnny.
Wedge is life!!
I carry week side forward of my hip. It conceals well, I can see it, sit, bend and draw easily.
Excellent points pertaining to AIWB, John. I do either pocket carry or appendix carry.
Thank you for your educational vids. I’m fairly new to ASP Extra, but I’ve watched the lion’s share of your ASP channel.
my only complaint about this video is the red laser damaged my eyes 😂
the laser beam came out of my iPad and got me...
God bless,
Agree completely, assuming the individual is comfortable carrying in that position, both physically and mentally. I've had several people ask me, "aren't you afraid you'll shoot your d@#k off"? Well, No. Exercise safe gun handling skills and use an appropriate holster and you'll be fine. I've come to love appendix carry for all the reasons you stated.
if i where mine strong side. i index the acc rail and slide it back until the muzzle clears and goes into its home. the whole time the mizzle is aimed down range until the muzzle clears and seats properly. cant do that appendix might break the 180 rule or accident point it at someone next to you. so indexing the side of the gun to the top side of the holster and dragging until it clears then seating is my way of doing it to. good info but there are ways to not flag yourself when carrying on the hip although slightly harder with a holster so close to the body. haha
appendix carry is the easiest way for me to carry. but depending on the size of the gun can dig into your gut when you bend over to pick something up or tie your shoe laces.
I also don't trust striker fired pistols for appendix carry like Glocks. I think a DA/SA gun or revolver is better for appendix carry.....but if that's all you got then you do what you can
I too carry an HK VP9 after switching from the venerable 1911 in .45 cal. When I was younger and bit thinner, AIWB was an okay option. Concealment was easier but mobility suffered. Now, that I've grown into my dad bod, AIWB is painful, cuts mobility, and is difficult. IWB strong side is about the only way to carry if you've got a few extra pounds but are generally small or medium framed. You've lost a bunch of weight over the last year, but you're still a large frame guy. I think this method works for you but would be ineffective for people built like me.
I carried AIWB when I was fat too. :)
Personally I’d prefer a new shooter start out on a strong side owb holster
To each their own.....
And I think I showed why that actually has some challenges that are very difficult.
Great discussion. Weight loss looking great
I have to loose some weight before appendix carry is possible. Dunlap over has to go. Your looking good John
That's a VERY interesting theory I've never heard before
It actually sounds very well thought out, and to be honest, I actually agree with everything you've said.
Appendix carry is fine depending on which gun your using.
I really really really want to like appendix carry. I give it an honest try, usually for a few days, probably once a year. I I can never get it to stick. I always go back to the (tactically inferior) 5 o’clock position.
JM custom kydex makes great holsters. They’re normally just under 100 dollars for a custom holster so not a bad deal.
Tony makes a great holster.
Active Self Protection Extra Yeah, their customer service is great. I got one for my first ever handgun and they walked me through what everything was and what was probably best for my needs.
What about the “con” of sitting with appendix carry?
Great video John! New subscriber here that came over from your other channel. I do AIWB 90% of the time and it works the best for me.
Welcome!
lol, im not re-holstering until the retrieval service comes. I strong side,4:30 and shoulder cross draw.
Having your gun out when the police arrive is a good way to get shot. You should really think through your choices.
Totally worried about holstering my weapon during a gun fight.
Well sadly mine is a tactical bookcase and not a shelf so just can't find a comfortable way for appendix carry
I see your point BUT it's the burrito spot if your finger or something is in the holster at the trigger spot of and a double action only pistol bang no junk or a shot femoral artery
I kinda feel like you didn't watch.
I did watch this video
I prefer appendix carry. But due to a disability, an appendix carry left makes a cross draw with my right hand works best for me. Can you do a video on the pro/con of appendix cross draw?👍
Excellent points and great video as usual!
Tactical shelf . . . I'm using that from now on! : ]
Thanks for the class💪🏽💪🏽
@John, I agree AIWB is best! Unfortunately, it doesn't work with my pajamas, sweatpants, casual sundresses. But my neoprene belly band does! Strong side though. (I'm a court reporter and I work from home except when wearing my NRA instructor hat and teaching at the range.)
Should be able to make it work with PJs and sweats with either some Discreet Carry Clips or Ulticlips!
@@ASPextra , I will check those out, thank you! I wear the belly band on the outside of my clothes with a cover shirt. Just looks like a wide belt or a back support. Can't even tell it's there if I"m wearing black. I'm very careful, and if the tight gun pocket starts getting loose or wavy, I buy a new one.
I like appendix carry but brother, I got a bit of a “tactical shelf” and when I set Down talk about some pain 😂
A proper wedge should help with that immensely. Also, good belt with vertical rigidity but horizontal flex.
Also hard for someone to come up behind and steal your gun with appendix carry - unlike small of back, or even strong side.
Yep!
Hi, I’m not able to find the names of the holsters you have listed and I’d like to know what are the names. Thanks you very much
I have been carrying a firearm concealed for over 20 years and now am considering appendix carry. Thanks for your thoughts on the subject.
Glad to help!!
“Tactical shelf” 😂😂
You are looking 👌 there. Keep up the work on losing weight there. 💪. Don't quit. Dig deep and get it done. 😎🤘
Rotator cuff problems... I resemble that remark.
Thanks John I'm totally on this wagon
John can you talk about carrying at 12 o'clock. It's the most comfortable and concealed I can get with my SA xd model 2, 4" when carrying IWB. My son is in Law Enforcement and taught me to push in on sweat guard when I reholster which actually positions the muzzle away from me slightly. Also with the muzzle at 12 it isn't pointing at me even when seated, it's right between my legs and as a lady of course I don't have the "bits and peices " in the way. My question is, is there anything unique to 12 o'clock carry I should be aware of? I literally can not find anyone talking about this. Am I missing something? I do have to buckle my belt at 2 o'clock to clip it this way but that's not been an issue.
12 o’clock carry us appendix carry. AIWB. So it’s exactly what I’m talking about in this video. :)
@@ASPextra Okay, I just see most AIWB carrying like you were, more in between like 1:30 so I wasn't sure if there was anything different I needed to be aware of. Great video. Thanks as always for the educational videos.
Very clear and precise information, Thank you.
Glad to help!
Hi John, I'm finally able to get a Sig P365 now I need a high quality holster. I carry appendix do you have any recommendations? Is kydex good? I'm kinda lost in the sauce when it comes to a good holster. I've been using a cheap in the pant holster from Walmart. Time to step it up.👍
I am assuming that you didn’t have a cameraman by the way that you were pointing the gun in the direction of the camera. LOL!
Yeah the camera was on a tripod.
I know. BTW I really enjoy your videos! Keep up the good work!!
I have to laugh when I hear people talk about "how hard it is to conceal full size guns." LOL
MY EDC is the FNX 45 Tactical with a 5.3" threaded barrel, suppressor height sights, a Trijicon RMR, and a double stack 15 round magazine... plus at least one extra magazine, sometimes TWO.... LOL
I carry it in the AIWB position, every day, without ANY problem, even when driving.
And... I'm NOT "slim," by any means!
New subscriber here. Really loving these videos John
I love IWB, but I'm not sure of up front and I'm on the thick side, how do you sit, or draw while driving
Check through the multiple AIWB videos on the channel. It's all doable. :)
Getting a holster that allows a red dot AND a light isn’t easy. I’m currently using (in my home & yard only since I’m in CA) an outside the waistband strong side holster that I changed the cant on and wear appendix. It works ok.
Appendix also allows me to get at knives & pepper spray in pockets.
It's uncomfortable sometimes my holster puts a lot of pressure on my pelvic bone from time to time. It's an easy fix but I just haven't felt compelled to do it because I wasn't carrying much during the semester for obvious reasons.
Excellent training video, I carry appendix myself. Much safer and quicker with training
Your looking good! Keep up the good work
Excellent video sir.....was there a transition period where aiwb got more comfortable or was it good to go from the start...
How comfortable is it when you're sitting? Especially if your EDC is a Glock 17, Sig 226, or any other full size pistol.
Perfectly comfortable with the right belt and holster. Think of an AIWB setup as more like fitting a prosthesis than buying a piece of equipment.
Hey john I need help with a holster! I’m a CCW Holder and I’m in a wheelchair! Also left handed! I’m being completely serious BTW! My chairs seat belt gets in the way of wearing a AIWB or IWB help me!
Where are you located? Message me on Facebook and I’ll see if I can find someone in your area to help you out with your specific access and functional needs.
Good job on the weight loss, John. I carry 3 o'clock, but I'm working on my tactical shelf. I've lost 20 lbs this month. Does a wedge on the holster help to keep from printing? I'm onboard with aiwb being the best method.
But can you wear this at work. This was the only reason why i was get urban carry u3
What do you do for carrying when you're in the car driving (USA, driver on the left)? Can't strong side carry if you're right-handed because it interferes with the seat belt latch. Can't use a shoulder holster if you're not wearing a jacket. Appendix carry is uncomfortable with the lap belt, but possible. Small of the back carry is uncomfortable with the seat, plus I hate that method anyway.
AIWB is not uncomfortable if you do it right.
Reholstering at the 3 to 4 o'clock positions is IMO, by far safer. Every time i reholster my gun, i do it SLOWLY AND CAREFULLY. I push my hip out so when I reholster, the muzzle never points at any part of my body. I know from experience that carrying AIWB, I'm much more likely to flag a part of my body.
Also, I've learned in defensive tactics training that blading your body provides you with a much more stable base to allow you to fight off a threat. Case on point, stand up squarely in front of someone and have them push you, then stand up in front of that same person with your strong leg bladed behind you. In which scenario would you imagine yourself landing on your a$$.
I disagree. We train hundreds of students a year and by FAR more students carrying strong side muzzle themselves while holstering.
@ASPextra then train them better. Your solution is to not train them the proper way to reholster but to change their carry method entirely?!?
No, it's to train them to safely holster. And it's easier to do that AIWB than strong side. Full stop.
@ASPextra so does full stop mean you've made your point and there is no further debate? 🤣
Maybe easier for you, but IMO, not better or safer. But to each his own.
vote for 3oclock. It allows to be on Side stance or semi-side stance to cover or hide gun drawing moment, especially when 1 hand fights. Sitting in the car and 3 oclock draw is hardly visible. 3oclock carry is the closiest to military instant access leg-holster position.
The problem with AIWB is some of us actually where clothes that fit us.. Our pants are not 3 sizes to big and our shirts contour and don't drape like crazy. Also I see people carrying stuff like a glock 34 I mean no matter where you put the gun in appendix its going dig in somewhere if you actually do anything but stand straight up... So that kinda rules out doing any kind of work.
I think you're caricaturing. Any IWB holster requires a bit more waist size, and that's the way 99.9% of people carry a gun. Also, some drape of shirt will be required to conceal on the hip as well. So really these objections are disingenuous.
Im a very thin guy and it is litteraly impossible to cary my full size cz apendix without the grip sticking out 6 miles it conceals much better at the 4 o'clock Position . good advice tho ill keep this in mind
It’s not impossible at all.