I'm MR 21 and just started using Vauban for the first time, right before the eximus rework, (on Hydron during a 2x affinity weekend- too many slow Novas) and discovered he's a CC powerhouse. NOT slow, much faster waves, so yea- It CC's enemies so you don't have to kill them fast, but you sure as shit can. The Eximus rework didn't have nearly as much of an effect as I feared, and they get sucked up just like the rest, just gotta shoot em a bit first which I hope at least someone in the squad can do... Now he's one of the frames in my rotation just for that 4th... Copium? I've also seen a max slow Nova used to rush higher level starchart/ Steel Path content with, you guessed it, CC. Can kill em faster, even though they move slower? That can't make sense... Copium? Ok, how bout all the people running around with Gloom subsumed (I wonder who would suggest such a thing) Copium? Guess you get my point.
the thing with chroma is that if you just got him he can take you through the entire origin system and the you grow older and realize you can have better tanks while dealing more damage but he has a special place in your inventory bc of how much he helped you back in the day
DE: "Curious, there are more L1 players than people with maxed out Vent Kids standing".. Also DE: "Let's make a K-Drive warframe that also needs a load of K-Driving to unlock" *cheers*
A couple of years ago, Zephyr would have been in this list. Very gratifying to see that DE can actually do something about frames like these... but really sad that they just... haven't.
Tbh I'd say it's cuz it's DE. There only really truly seems to be a handful of them that both play and know what would make the game good, Pablo is one of them, and even though yareli was a minor stroke for him I think she was just incomplete but the idea was there. As for when they'll make the changes for so many frames to have kits like harrow, zephyr, revenant, gyre, kits that not only work solo but in teams and actually fit together without randomness, who knows?
@@alcorthewise3512 I really think that Pablo had a great idea for Yareli, but somebody along the line said 'no, that's too powerful' and didn't let him put in an interaction. It was probably something like 'While on Merulina, Sea Snares combos with her 4 to prime enemies to take massive damage from Aqua Blades' or similar. Pablo designs his frames around their interactions, around a mechanic. Yareli's mechanics are there, they just don't do anything. So I think that somebody, somewhere along the line, basically put in a veto of the final function because it would make her incredible. Otherwise, why would there be so much potential synergy between her kit?
Another example of status ignore is Lavos' passive ability whenever you collect an energy or universal orb which can have a 100% uptime depending on drops.
Hydroid...is pretty meh overall. But his "FORM OF! A BUCKET OF WATER!" is actually pretty useful for dodging all damage without really costing much energy. I use it like 45 times a boss fight. Makes for a very anime-esque fight when every time the boss has been helplessly in range of an attack to just *bloop* I am water...
No one could defend these warframes. What they would really try to do is defend DE for spending all of their money to pay their cosmetic designers instead of paying Pablo to make the game better.
I can disagree. The Warframes on this list are 100% subjective depending on build and playstyle. Don't get me wrong, DE has missed the mark before, saying that just because every Warframe doesn't kill as fast or deal as much damage as others is a joke in itself tbh.
@@True_Green_Arrow Do you know what KF is talking about in the video? He's talking about how powerful and efficient WFs can be for their particular playstyles, and especially in KF's case is how well they do in high-end and level cap content. All these WFs have a counterpart that can do even their job way better than them and other stuff along with it.
@@ItsJustZeeBTW yes I do understand. That still doesn't take into effect that this video is completely subjective depending on how you like to play, build and of course, what you have available to you at the time. It's true that some Warframes have similar abilities to others, but that doesn't mean that 1 is obsolete over the other in every situation. Basically what I'm trying to say is that every single Warframe does not have to kil, every Warframe doesn't have to do everything exactly the same; because if I was to actually implicate your idea into my playstyle, at this point I don't need a Warframe to either strip armor or shields, I don't need a Warframe to crowd control anymore, I don't need a Warframe to deal damage, at that point I might as well just use my Tenno, but hey I digress.
He is being good for Inaros. Like LifeOfRio once said, before the nezha rework "You nezha mains are the reason why nezha is still shit, just admit that he sucks so DE might fix it" Same to Inaros.
That's not at all how that works. Nezha and Inaros have different abilities and playsets: People who say that a warframe is "worst" typically base that on personal opinion. Some frames can be better for specific missions, but it depends entirely on how you decide to mod them.
@@travisarcher5724 there are static for Warframe popularity and.... strength I think, i was 2 parameters. Like public on Warframe website, if a Warframe is wssay too low in 1 parameter on just low on both they mau consider reworking it(cuz its not just 1)
I think Warframe is running into the same problems engineers and fabricators run into, where an engineer will go to a fabricator and say "look at this pretty picture I drew, will you make this for me?" Then when the fabricator says "I don't think that's physically possible or a good idea." The engineer does that childish "oh yeah!? Well I'll show you!" Then proceeds to make Yareli.
Fixing Hydroid: - 4: The tentacles will move once they've grabbed something to throw them into the center of the effect / into the kraken head, where they disappear below the ground like Hydroid's current 3 where they take a scaling DoT, that applies damage dealt as healing to all allies in range. Tentacles can take damage from Hydroid and Ally's effects but are unkillable- All damage and conditions are applied instead to all enemies being held by the tentacles / center. - 3: Replace the ability with an invulnerability that gives him watery textures and a wave effect at his feet. Also replaces Tidal Surge merged into one. Any enemy he passes through or makes contact with his wave adds to the duration of invulnerability. He has normal warframe movement, just with the water trailing and splashing effect. - 2: Hydroid dives into the ground to splash up out from a targeted area. Nearby enemies in an area around in the splash zone are blinded and given Vulnerability, like Equinox's vulnerability. If his 4 is currently active, it can be targeted through walls regardless of distance, and he'll jump out from the center of it in a larger aoe matching the 4's size. - 1: Change design so all water strikes cluster in a central area then slowly spread out. Each hit adds scaling damage by the damage already dealt and the value of armor it strips - innately stripping 10% per hit. - Passive: Slam attacks spawn 3 tentacles that pull in enemies within 20m, and deal the slam damage on contact. Fixing Yareli: - 4: Keep the dumb water twister active for a duration without throwing enemies, keep them grouped at the base of the twister. Maybe replace the VFX with a central downpour, and a maelstrom effect in the radius pulling enemies into it. Enemies remain stunned for its duration and a few seconds thereafter. - 3: While active, Aquablades will also appear surrounding the waterfall 4. A portion of damage dealt by aquablades will be reflected onto all enemies within the 4's area. (Including your own casting of it). Make aquablades damage enemies that are inside of its radius as well. - 2: Tap cast to use it and make yareli invulnerable while on it to offset its bullshit. HOLD cast to gain its current functionality, without the dumbass kdrive and its limitations. - 1: Replace with a water shot that on impact splashes to cause bubbles to appear around enemies within its area. Bubbled enemies will release one bubble every 2 seconds or so at unbubbled enemies within a range around them. If Aquablades are active, aquablade damage reflects onto to any bubbled enemies. - Passive: No reason what so ever that it's limited to secondary weapons. Just makes it a worse Zephyr passive.
My friend mains her despite her being bad and he even knows and jokes about how bad she is. In the end it’s mainly about what frames you find the most fun
@@falcongamingproductions9938 you can make somewhat good builds off her aqua blades But she literally requires a helminth I actually think yareli is way better than inaros simply because she can shieldgate and she has a useful ability
If she had any other second ability I would like her more but the movement on her k-drive does NOT feel good to me and survival tools on helminth are kinda rare so I just subsumed her for aqua blades, which have been really fun and handy for leveling frames like Harrow that don't have damage powers on their kit or the speedy bois like Nezha and Volt
I'm a new player and this is my favorite channel. The value I get from avoiding Time/Plat traps by spending days or weeks building underpowered frames can't be understated. Ty for these :)
I work in the game industry and every time I read user complaints, a lot of it is just people talking about how there isn't enough content because they optimised the fun out of the game. As great as it is that people are so passionate about games, some people really just need to touch grass sometimes. Or at the very least, learn to swap games from time to time and not take it so seriously.
100% support this. I main Hildryn not becoz she's op, but because she doesnt require energy to cast abilities. Plus she's fun to customize and I like muscle mommies XD.
Keep in mind boys, just because they're bad it don't mean they're not fun. If you main any of these frames more power to you. Especially to all the Yareli mains, God knows you need it.
Sometimes, warframes are not just design for endgame content. I was glad to have chroma when i was a fresh player, it alowed me to survive and be useful in higher missions than i usually could. Same goes for Hydrilin for farming.
@@SS-hb1xm Yareli, she got soloed by the dude, who forced the children,who later created that skateboard sindicate, to work for him, it`s told in her quest comics
Having come from D2 because of content drought and chroma is my favorite warframe just because I just use gunplay alot more than any other melee and the concept of ability spam just feels alien to me, so more damage to my guns means more fun for me
Yareli is my main. I don't know exactly what changed with her, since I just came back for Devuri stuff and left around when the 2nd dream came out. I'll take a crack with a list of stuff below from playing her for the past 2 weeks. I think she's amazing. She's definitely been changed and she's my go-to for level 100 missions since I don't have any primer mods or anything super good. She's straight up invincible and can sweep comfortably. She's not a top tier frame by any means and you're not going to be sweeping shit like crazy, but she's super fun & cute. Pro's - Her K-drive makes her invincible for 4 seconds when you get on the board. + Operator invincibility + its like 25 Energy - 90% of damage is taken from the board BEFORE you... which is fuckin insane. - COMPLETE IMMUNITY TO KNOCKDOWNS while on k-drive including those door lasers oof. - Her first ability with the water bubbles that "tickles" now do 200%+ damage vulnerability - Her giant water bubble suck in ability lasts 20 seconds+. You detonate it itself to fling enemies which you don't typically wanna do. - She can use all her abilities on her K-drive now including operator without getting off - Her augment lets her have infinite stacking damage buff to her number 3 basically. Her spinning blades lasts 90+ seconds with duration mods, then when you re-press 3, you throw out a blade. That blade deals more damage if you've hit people with the blades around you. Since you have 90% damage reduction its not a problem. - You CAN interact with stuff while on the board, albeit a little bit more difficult. Cons - You still bash your head on doors (Corpus doors especially). - The game isn't designed for a K-drive. You'll hit some weird shit. Like if you fall off the map, you get dismounted, but you could also find yourself 200m away from where you fell lol. - Sometimes you can fall through the map. - Sometimes you're stuck in operator and cannot be targeted by enemies or change back. - Being on the k-drive fucks up some story instances. Its kinda hard to explain. e.g. A you'll get attacked in a story instances but it will attack your frame, its model. Yareli's K-drive is an extension OF HER. Its not like a regular k-drive, so these attacks intended for a warframe cannot work on Yareli. Thus halting the story. You cannot be knocked down by a story instance knockdown which has + a billion% knockdown because you're immune, not resistant, immune. You can just dismount to fix it all but could be an issue for some people I guess, still kinda fun.
Yeah, she got a buff some months ago. She pretty decent now. I'd use her slightly more often if she got some skins, like the ones planed on her concept art sheet
The developers of this game is so sneaky. They literally created a whole game where you think you're making progress, but in reality you're just doing the same shit you do at lvl 1.
Did you know that most games are like this? If you can make the game that the same shit you do over and ove again is entertaining, then its a good formula. I'll bring up some examples so you can think a bit more open mindedly: League of Legends, Dota, Counter Strike, Overwatch, Valorant, Every rogue like game, in a sense every MMORPG, every ARPG, and so on and so forth. If anyone starts arguing the try thinking what do you do in these games and you will soon realize it that yes, you literally do the same thing over and over again. But if you still feel like arguing or more like discussing, then feel free to do so.
I mean, I didn't have enough endo and mods to have actual fun and have powerful warframe/weapons at mr1. If by doing the same shit you mean generally going into a mission and killing stuff, i guess you're right.
I still think Grendel is a really good crowd clear frame. Suck up 30-40 enemies quickly in 1-2 casts of his 1 then instantly spit them out to kill then all and regain any nrg lost. Can also subsume fire last to instantly strip armor so the tactic scales even higher. Plus he has a high health pool while still having a shield gate and has a built in heal with his 2. Only downside is that overguard counters him, but that counters nearly every frame anyways.
I have to disagree on inaros. He was the best prank warframe. I used to go into defense mission with a low strength build inaros to hit his 2nd ability on the last enemy and suck on them for ages to mess with people.
They won’t rework or tweak Grendel or Yareli until their primes are released. It’s their gimmick to get you to buy into the Prime Access by hyping it up. Garuda is an example. Not that she was bad but got some QOL improvements.
"Grendel keeps is nourish as is, his third ability now becomes a second nourish" Also: Grendel is stupid broken bro, you eat a massive number of enemies and then spit them up by holding 1, they take damage based on how many of them you eat, and even without that, lets say you ARE just eating and keeping them... now you're just removing enemies from the map without having to actually kill them quickly... great, you're now Hydroid, but wider range, and your allies can't actually shoot you to kill the guys you've eaten.
You have the point. IMHO it is not ok when you need to justify a warframe's existence by the Helminth system. Sadly, DE are more focused on adding new stuff in the game, instead of organizing the already existing one. Eximus + Focus rework are a sudden exceptions.
I as a Chroma main have to agree... No matther how good or bad Vex Armor is on paper... What good is it for if you cant even use it at all in a public multiplayer instance... Every mission becomes the same struggle: You cast Vex Armor try to find some enemies that could potentially damage you and stand right infront of them meanwhile they miss you with like 50% of their shots while you stand completly still and then go into a long af realod animation... Now that only works when they are alive... What usually happens is you find a group of enemies and they try to attack you but 2 seconds later one of these public random team mates comes swooped over with their Ignis Wraith, Kuva Zarr or Kuva Bramma and blows them up... Now you stand there and your Vex Armor duration runs out and guess what if you recast it all the power str you tried to snapshot... it doesnt get carried over so have fun getting that set up again. Now one could argue why would anyone play Chroma in public multiplayer or why dont you use hema or combat discipline... They still require enemies that are alive and its just bad game design if you say "just dont play a Warframe in multiplayer" where Warframe is litterally a multiplayer game...
8:40 here's what you do. Passive: if he is hit by ranged weapons, he is able to collect that ammo and convert for his held firearm(works even while under liquid body). if he is hit by melee, he has a chance to coat their weapon in slime that will cut its damage by a 4th. 1- tempest barrage has 2 fire modes: a) tempest- hydroid rains down bullets that hits all enemies in an area, the rain diminishes their vision and sound perception, to 25% its original range, as well as slow them their movement down. b) barrage- by holding down the button, it casts basically the same as it is currently, but with the added effect of each bombardment has a 25% chance of exploding a nulifier bubble on impact. Augment: enemies inside a tempest will get coated, giving them 2x the number of elemental procs from hits that stack, enemies hit by the barrage will get double the time for procs that dont stack. getting hit by cold procs while coated by either tempest or barrage will give them a 25% chance of being frozen instead. 2-tidal surge, basically the same as it already is, but with the augment effect already on, also, tidal surge can jump, run on walls and other parkour movements. augment- hydroid is considered invisible while in a tidal surge, including being able to get through barriers without alerting them nor suffering its effects. 3- liquid body: coats hydroid into a slimy liquid that absorbs part of the damage he would receive, the liquid form has its own hp, that can be refiled by going into a tempest barrage. augment: hydroid can hold the button down, filling the water with his own blood, sacrificing his health but giving him status immunity and enhanced defences(similar to the scarabs from inaros). 4- unite both tentacle swarm and undertow as 1 skill now called, kraken release: hydroid is able to summon the kraken and its tentacles, the tentacles hold enemies in place(similar to ensnare), tentacle numbers is based on range, extra enemies will fall to their waist and get stuck inside the liquid. enemies are still susceptible from most ragdoll abilities, like vortex, larva, mag's magnetize, grendel devour... holding down 4, will comand the kraken(for a 4th of the original cast cost) to slap its tentacles around(similar to how it acts now), hitting all enemies inside the puddle, while also sending a wave that drags enemy with it when returning. interacting with the kraken allows hydroid to mount it, letting him shoot explosive water balls from the kraken's mouth instead of his primary, or a burst of spikes instead of his seconday and a slap from a pair of tentacles with massive range in place of his melee(each using the respective weapon mods equiped on them). while mounted hydroid moves at half the speed, but can use tidal surge augment . holding down 4 no longer makes the kraken slap its tentacles around, instead hydroid will command the kraken to eat held enemies, giving any ally inside the puddle range, healing based on the amount of enemies eaten, enemies being eaten take damage similar to old undertow, enemies inside the puddle or held by the tentacles have a higher chance of dropping loot. the idea is to turn hydroid into a slower, tankier version of yareli. he was supposed to be a pirate warframe, and the king of the seas. so why not make the kraken into his ship, and throne?
I felt so bad when my gf wanted to play Yareli when she started the game, now her Yareli sits in her arsenal waiting to be used again since she found that she is bar
That's why I didn't look up their kits or videos when grinding for them. Sure you might not be able to take these all the way in the top tier stuff but for general players it doesn't really matter. Play what you find fun.
Greetings, LR2 here. I don't "disagree" with your list, but i think its important to realise that although Inaros is terrible late game, for newer players, Inaros is a great entry frame to start doing things like Arbitrations when you don't have the best gear and Arcanes. I've taken Inaros in to Arbitrations with no mods (just fully modded weapons) and stayed half an hour survivals. He has a place, it may not be a good place or in that place for very long, but he does have a place.
This may be true in the past, but now, with shield gating, Inaros actually has WORSE survivability than most other frames. And I would say, if a new player wants to get into arbi survival, just go with a team and bring a control frame (nova, Khora, vauban, etc), and they will have a much easier time and will actually be helping the team. You're never really in danger of even getting hit with all the cc, and even if you do, you can shieldgate, and just go into operator and get your shield back, even easier with Vazarin.
@@mitzi3262 if it's normal mode you're talking about, neither do you need Inaros or even any mods on your Warframe. Weapons alone are plenty enough for regular star chart
@@richlee6331 completely missed the point. new players may not be able to shield gate effectively, may not have rolling guard. Inaros can face tank without mods, with out arcanes, without shield gating content that a new player is not actually ready for. Bringing a control frame that isn't ready, that doesnt have a great build because they haven't farmed the arcanes and mods is a liability. you aren't helping the team if you are dead. He has a place, not a great place, but a place none the less. Talking about using a focus tree, new players may not even have half the nodes unlocked.
@@matthewgill2695 you said doing arbitrations. That means you already completed the entire star chart. I think it is very reasonable to expect you to have a few control frames built at that point, especially Nova, as she can perform decently well with basic mods and no formas. Arcanes are generally never required for any build, other than energize for certain extremely energy-hungry frames, or for builds where you are to have a channeling ability up for extended periods of times. Apart from that, arcanes are usually just quality of life things, and at worse just causes mild inconveniences without them, say, kuva bramma without a r5 primary merciless, or not having r5 primary/secondary dexterity for combo duration, etc.
Hydroid holds a special place in my heart, being my first war frame I got many years ago. It was so fun and cool to play, but look what they’ve done to my boi…. LOOK AT WHAT THEY HAVE DONE! Nothing I want more than a hydroid rework, I would main that frame if he was at all viable.
as a new player whos first additional frame was yareli, typing "warframe yareli" into youtube and seeing this video popping up third from top was scary xD but i dont regret my choice
Rare Yareli main here. Love her? But I REEEALLY wish they would rework her. A great place to start would be giving her a proper damage reduction ability in place of Merulina. They could always just make Merulina a unique, equippable K-Drive instead of taking an ability slot. Literally anything would be better than what we got... =( (AND, NO. AUGMENTS DON'T COUNT. STOP TRYING TO JUSTIFY AUGMENTS BEING "FIXES" FOR BAD ABILITIES. The Aquablades Augment should be base kit, and nothing can convince me otherwise.)
I'm a Grendel main. He's my most used Warframe. I have hundreds of hours specifically with this frame. Do I think that he is a little better than you give him? Yes. Do I still agree with what you said? Also yes.
I fully agree that Inaros ability design is catastrophic. But there is merit in having a big slab of stats that passively doesn't die in the vast majority of content and also doesn't care about getting nullified and Mag procced. You know, because your abilities don't matter anyway. The most recent example for this would be the Zariman no-ability bounties, where Inaros is literally S-Tier by nature.
what is the point of making a no ability bounty in the first place. You make a gameplay where you can't use your warframe, since when that is a normal thing lol. Most people don't even play that mode, I personally will ignore that mode untill they remove it from the game.
Here's a one-step rework for Grendel: Remove Energy, have his abilities fueled by the number of enemies in his stomach balanced by maybe cooldowns? Alternatively, give him constant and major Energy regeneration while he has enemies in his belly and instead of costing as much energy, have his other abilities deal additional damage to the enemies in his belly.
I had taken a long break from the game and upon my first day returning I had a 50 off coupon that I used plat to spend on her. Worst plat spending decision I’ve ever made in the game.
I've never seen anybody but myself use Combat discipline on chroma, but the health damage you take gives you the fury buff making him very viable on low level missions not needing to wait to take damage for the buff.
Yareli's aqua blades are a good enough ability, and with the augment they become great, giving any frame the ability to nuke high level enemies. Everything else needs attention tho, that I agree with.
A rework idea for Inaros, his third ability could act similar to a cross between Nyx's bubble and Zephyr's twisters. When he starts spinning he sucks up enemies into the sandstorm, CC'ing them in the process, while doing damage. As things shoot at him, though, the damage is added to his current output, until he releases the twister, which he then also does a burst damage based on a percentage of the damage down during the twister phase. Would make twister useful, and even synergize it with his other abilities. So if he sucks up an enemy under the effects of his first or fourth ability, then he also heals himself, and does increased damage to those enemies. Something along those lines.
I think Grendel shouldn't have energy at all. The cost for his other abilities would be consuming one of the enemies in his belly, make that into the energy source itself.
Honestly? I have a complaint about Inaros in your review, but its not what you're expecting! I actually agree he's completely outshined by SO many warframes in many different ways. But one thing you forgot to mention? He's boring as sin. He throws sand. At least Hydroid summons something cool like a Kraken. His abilites are not fun, and focused purely on his "Role". He's still my favourite and most used Warframe. But would it kill them to at least make his kit interesting? And if the enemies are even capable of killing me at all, his passive is just not gonna work. Because anything that can't kill me literally cannot do either enough damage, or enough damage I cannot just heal. So by the time enemies can kill me, his passive is more useless then...........I dunno, something else as useless. But gosh dang if he's Grineer skin isn't so freaking cool!
Why would people who play these Warframes be upset about this video? I challenge ANYONE to say that Inaros has useful abilities. Being "tanky" isn't an excuse. Rhino is a decent tank but he also has useful powers. The point of a Warframe is to have powers. A Warframe that doesn't do anything with his powers relies 100% on his weapons and there are a ton of frames that are better than Inaros at using guns. Inaros is my second most played frame. Do I think he's cool? Yeah. Do I think he's the best frame ever? No. Do I wish DE would rework him and make him actually strong? Hell yeah. I agree with the other stuff. I'd argue that Hydroid can be used to farm which might be useful for newer players (and I think he's the easiest frame to get among those that have loot-boosting abilities) so that makes him slightly better considering Warframe is a farming game. Yareli needs a rework from the ground up because k-drives were a bad idea and allowing a Warframe to summon a k-drive anywhere is an even worse idea
If Sandstorm gathered enemies close to ground level and didn't throw them around, it'd be a lot better. His 2 would be a LOT better if it was simply marking enemies that you then damage by any means to replenish health and spawn Sand Shadows. His Scarab Armor should "flake off" per hit and afflict nearby enemies with the health restoring scarabs, or if there's no nearby enemies the scarabs should seek an enemy within line of sight. His Passive could be massively improved by 1: Adding Health Segments to simulate shield-gating, and 2: Fire Scarab Swarms from the Sarcophagus that siphon health from enemies at the target location, and have his revive bar filled based on damage dealt by the swarm instead of enemies killed. In fact, have him able to spend Energy in bleedout by using his abilities to pull in enemies (1 pulls waves of sand in a cone, 3 is a big AoE sandstorm that pulls enemies close, 2 fires the scarab swarms, and 4 could siphon bonus health into an armor boost once you self-revive).
@@635574 i think DE stopped reworking warframes because of the Chroma outrage tbh. DE said a long time ago that they would slowly do mini-reworks / buffs for all warframes batch-by-batch, and in the first batch chroma was given his 3 jump passive and elemental cycling thing, which was hated by the community for some reason, and now they're too scared to rework warframes. DE should realize that reworking a bad warframe like inaros is just like giving us a whole new warframe.
@@gault6546 unfortunately thats why they make new frames. Yareli is another hydroid and gyre is a another hydroid as well but dps and doesnt suck. Sevagoth is Both valkyr and inaros
So Basically: 5: The God Dragon (it hurted a little but u r right). 4: Diabetes/Obese Frame (I'd put that on number 3) (A warframe that should NOT exist) 3: The water puddle 2: The No Abilities Frame (😂🤣) 1: The "kawaii"-teenage-schoolgirl frame. (Well deserved) that abomination shouldn't have been made, stupid idea for a frame. Why would the orokin made a Teenage Schoolgirl a machine for war? (Idk the lore and I don't care about it, just trash)
I use Yareli and absolutely destroy enemies, not to mention I’ve seen so many people do wayyyyy more damage than me with her. I personally think she’s good but we all have our opinions ☺️
she is decent at early star chart but hitting mid-late star chart and even main story struggles really badly compared to other frames even B tier frames do a lot better such as zephyr or even Excalibur yareli 's abilities also are the worst in every category she is trying to fit and her CC is really bad compared to Harrow and the K drive inspired ability is a cool concept but it doesn't really help her kit in any way i have not hate to her but she needs a rework to compete with other frames who do her job a lot better
Just because you can use her and have fun with her doesn't mean she's good. Warframe is an easy game at the end of the day, you can play it however you want, but this list is based on doing high-end content and doing it efficiently. And in the case where people "are doing way more damage than you" doesn't mean Yareli's doing that damage, it's their weapons most likely. Yareli won't scale into level cap, and isn't good at fighting high-end content.
I like inaros, simply because i cannot die with him, he is not funny if you play using a lot of powers, he is a imortal old man with a lot of life, mine has 10k and a bit 100
100 percent agree with Inaros. He looks cool. His concept is cool. But he was the most clunky and most migraine inducing warframe I ever had the displeasure of using. No matter how I tried to mod and play him it just never worked. The only thing that makes him better than yareli is that Inaros has some tankiness and yareli is just THAT bad. But even if I tried to go for a tank Inaros, it would still never hold a candle to my Rhino. Inspite of the insane health and armor it was still weaker and WAY more complex with ability use than it needed to be. It took forever to kill anything, I would die a ton, and I would be getting so frustrated with it that the continuous headaches would have me addicted to Ibuprofen by the end of the misson. Abilities 1 and 2 are too weak, 3 is super weak and makes you dummy slow, and 4 is turns you into a massive target to gain armor that becomes irrelevant at higher levels. Inaros was already dead to me, and when Sevagoth came out, there was literally no more incentive to play him.
Chroma is a beast with combat discipline and gloom. This is this first video you've made where I disagree with a most of it, normally I agree with most of your content. Still enjoyed watching it despite my seething rage that you dont share the exact same opinions as me
@@dudeguyforever3742 yes because I was being completely serious when I said that I was in a seething rage over one of my favorite frame tubers having a different opinion than I You aren't too bright
Watchu gonna do about it. Jack off to your seething rage dumbass hahaha. You're probably the kind of person to throw a fit or tantrum whenever someone disagrees with you.
keep in mind folks, this is a youtuber thats not new player friendly. this ranking is beyond pointless for 90% of the game, man only cares for Steel path or high endurance. aka. every frame is decent, play who u want
Yareli buffs Passive: change critical chance to any weapon while moving Sea snares: instead of grabbing 5 enemies, you make a bubble that distracts enemies, and when it pops, you get a movement speed buff (distraction time scales off duration, movement speed scales off power) Merulina- completely scrap it, and replace it with an ability similar to hydroids wave ability, but instead of being a wave, you ride a wave. While riding the wave, you’re invulnerable, and any enemy hit by the wave is captured in the wave. When the wave stomps the enemies inside are cc’d to the ground for a moment. Wave goes off duration, size of wave scales off range. Aqua blades: nothing needs changed about this, just give stat buffs, and allow range scaling. Riptide: this move will be similar to how it is, but with fixed cc and bleed being applied to everyone within it. I think these changes make Yareli go from a garbage tier frame to at bare minimum A tier with an amazing passive, tons of crowd control, mobility, invulnerability, and damage.
inaros, i play him a F ton, yes, but i do agree that he sucks at higher levels, i went on a mission (steel path btw) the other day, void cascade (corpus faction at the time) and i was doing fine for the first 200lvs, when the enemys got to lv250 i was already struggling, those thrax did a F ton of DMG, at one point it was like if they dont kill me first i'll kill them first, but eventually they started to ONE SHOT my inaros whos "TANKY" with adaptation, 9k health, all that tanky stuff that u guys know and love, i know, cuz i use him for lot of low level content when i just want to turn off my brain and do the mission without thinking on abilities, lich hunting?? F yea use inaros, low level steel path where enemys cant kill me cuz i'm still tanky? F yea! Apollo runs for axi relics?? F those nulifiers cuz inaros dosent care bout abilities, went on that same mission (not steel path btw) to farm a lot of axis with my friends, we stood for around lv 300 i think, sometimes i was 1 shot by those demolists CUZ INAROS ISNT TANKY AT HIGHER LEVELS, WHEN ENEMYS START TO HIT U FOR 3K+ DMG EACH SHOT OR SOMETHING (after adaptation and u armor btw) U R GOOD AS DEAD AND CANT KILL THOSE FUCKERS CUZ U TURN INTO A Fing COFFING, but yea, i do play inaros, when i want to be braindead
is what people dont get ...not only the game enemis scale in hp in armor but on dmg ... once you get to 200 + plus the dmg scales even higher than armor and hp so even if you have 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% dmg reduction they do like biliions of raw dmg thats why is either immortality , stealth or shield gating to get lvl cap
I’ll admit, Inaros really needs a rework, I used to use him so much but it was during low level content and I brought him to fight my lich, immediately dies with 100% armor, like, wtf, I loved him and I love his fashion but he sucks, I’m glad I use Baruuk and Saryn cause oh boy, are they fun to play
I don't think he's wrong, but Inaros can survive Decaying dragon key, Nightmare mode, and Cryogenic leakage missions all without any negative effect on your playstyle with him.
I mean i know im talking to a wall, but if you get passed the bad design of grendel and actually try to build him properly, he has armor strip, toxin damage for corpus and it scales infinitely and the damage is grossely high. You can have some warframe that takes more investement in a game to work well not everyone need to be a saryn or a wukong or else that would be boring. I dont feel like grendel belongs in the tier list you ´re just a bit biased because you dont like his design.
The jokes today were on point “his weakness is stairs”, “you can suck them off”😂. But jokes aside these warframes are not in need of a rework but Instead “Jesus”😭
here`s your awaited comment defending warframe (but am I too late?) I must say that chroma is not that bad, i think he`s best frame for solo orb mother runs (not solo too), but I agree that he needs a rework because he has 2 abilities which make no sense and a big problem with stacking up his armor & damage multiplier after self damage got deleted
I like the look of Yareli and her overall aesthetic, plus using her aqua blade augment is fairly fun hitting those huge slash procs on enemies. However 3/4 of her kit is useless or cumbersome in this case and requires either jank or sheer determination to work even acceptably. I hope she gets buffs or a small rework, because I dont mind her gameplay, but she seriously needs help.
Well as Yareli Main myself I helminth her 4th ability to Eclipse and do my Solo Survival Endurance for 8 Hours without any problem Her passive is 200% critical while movin so Knell prime do that Job also.
Aaaaaaand he put Grendel on the list proving he knows nothing. Grendel is a top tier Warframe, top 5 before eximus rework, still probably top ten. Build better, play better. The glimpse we got at your build in this video showed how terrible it was. I will agree Grendel’s design is poor, but it’s factually incorrect to say he’s bad, especially if you’re going to consider Helminth, which you should for endurance builds as it’s endgame. And, although corpus are somewhat of a meme, Grendel is indisputably the best Warframe in the game for dealing with corpus, by quite an extent. He’s not quite as good for infested due to healers and disruptors but still up there.
@@johankaruyan5536 I didn’t say he requires Helminth, but Helminth allows him to be much more effective against grineer by completely removing the energy drain issue and allowing one to build for much higher strength. But again, Helminth combos should at least be accounted for in any kind of endgame strength discussion as they are an integral part of endgame building.
@@finleymorris04 here's the thing, when u rate a frame u have to rate his a abilities, but helminth abilities are other frames abilities, not the one u are using, when u put gloom on inaros, u can say sevagoth's gloom is really good on inaros, but u can't say, inaros is a good frame with gloom, when gloom isn't even his ability
And it's very easy to fix it, when I use Yareli I feel tremendous agony just using her 4, it's absolutely pathetic, I like the k-drive idea but I think it could have been more interesting like the Titania flight. CC is consistent but could be like Saryn's skill 1, and that 3 band-aid is absolutely disgusting.
While I do agree with the picks you've stated, some of the reasons were just..off. I find the reason of, "You could just use a different frame" lazy and boring. Possibly you can tank with other frames and better with Inaros but my personal reasons for having him on a list like this is because he doesn't have any real aoe damage and can only really reliably take down one or two enemies at a time. Having 20k hp doesn't exactly save the objective. Or like how Chroma can pump 80quintillion damage into every enemy on screen, he can really only do it one at a time and that's with helmith. Not something that should ever be used as a reason to do this. The fact that you have to take damage on a frame when you get melted/one-shot my anything the moment your shields go down and levels are high enough is bad for this game state.
The point of inaros is to put eclipse on his 1, use a nuke weapon, and nuke everything. You'd be surprised at how long 1 can go, sp solo survival is a joke, I never die. Acolytes just come see me to die. Or put chromas ability on, with cold, and everything dies as u just stand there.
@@fcold9402 eh i feel lavos just does that better, and even soo most of the nightmare missions you can just speedrun trough and barily to never get hit
Chroma really underrated Warframe, his kit is mainly on buff, his lack of offensive ability really put him on the edge of the joke. But I like Chroma, with the nourish update plastered on him making Chroma almost unstoppable.
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The fact that two of your top five worst warframes are water based is surely a coincidence and not some sign that water-frames are cursed... RIGHT?
Holy crap he's hydrophobic!
I would say third times the charm but hydroid prime also exists…
A good tip is just change the energy color of hydroid and or yareli to white. Now hey dont shoot water but shmegma balls.
@@KajoSchultz when Warframe and 4chan collide
Just imagine actual good water warframes... it's easy if you try, no bugs, no nerfs. You can think I'm but a dreamer, but I'm not the only one...
Copium: “But it CC’s enemies. So you don’t HAVE to kill them fast”
Mission Objectives: “Kill enemies.”
Eximus : Kekw
I'm MR 21 and just started using Vauban for the first time, right before the eximus rework, (on Hydron during a 2x affinity weekend- too many slow Novas) and discovered he's a CC powerhouse. NOT slow, much faster waves, so yea- It CC's enemies so you don't have to kill them fast, but you sure as shit can. The Eximus rework didn't have nearly as much of an effect as I feared, and they get sucked up just like the rest, just gotta shoot em a bit first which I hope at least someone in the squad can do... Now he's one of the frames in my rotation just for that 4th... Copium?
I've also seen a max slow Nova used to rush higher level starchart/ Steel Path content with, you guessed it, CC. Can kill em faster, even though they move slower? That can't make sense... Copium? Ok, how bout all the people running around with Gloom subsumed (I wonder who would suggest such a thing) Copium?
Guess you get my point.
I actually thought Inaros would be number 1 because I forgot yareli exists
the thing with chroma is that if you just got him he can take you through the entire origin system and the you grow older and realize you can have better tanks while dealing more damage but he has a special place in your inventory bc of how much he helped you back in the day
he didn't help me with anything, gara did everything for me
frame that helped me complete the map was Ivara.
frame that helped me complete the Steel Path was Ivara Prime. I love her.
DE: "Curious, there are more L1 players than people with maxed out Vent Kids standing"..
Also DE: "Let's make a K-Drive warframe that also needs a load of K-Driving to unlock"
*cheers*
And a 100% worthless farm cause the frame aint even worth using.
Is that the deal with this stupid k drive quests? Is that the reward? Lol
Yeah i 100% wont try anything of that quest again haha
A couple of years ago, Zephyr would have been in this list. Very gratifying to see that DE can actually do something about frames like these... but really sad that they just... haven't.
Tbh I'd say it's cuz it's DE. There only really truly seems to be a handful of them that both play and know what would make the game good, Pablo is one of them, and even though yareli was a minor stroke for him I think she was just incomplete but the idea was there. As for when they'll make the changes for so many frames to have kits like harrow, zephyr, revenant, gyre, kits that not only work solo but in teams and actually fit together without randomness, who knows?
@@alcorthewise3512 I really think that Pablo had a great idea for Yareli, but somebody along the line said 'no, that's too powerful' and didn't let him put in an interaction.
It was probably something like 'While on Merulina, Sea Snares combos with her 4 to prime enemies to take massive damage from Aqua Blades' or similar.
Pablo designs his frames around their interactions, around a mechanic. Yareli's mechanics are there, they just don't do anything.
So I think that somebody, somewhere along the line, basically put in a veto of the final function because it would make her incredible. Otherwise, why would there be so much potential synergy between her kit?
Another example of status ignore is Lavos' passive ability whenever you collect an energy or universal orb which can have a 100% uptime depending on drops.
Hydroid...is pretty meh overall. But his "FORM OF! A BUCKET OF WATER!" is actually pretty useful for dodging all damage without really costing much energy. I use it like 45 times a boss fight. Makes for a very anime-esque fight when every time the boss has been helplessly in range of an attack to just *bloop* I am water...
No one could defend these warframes. What they would really try to do is defend DE for spending all of their money to pay their cosmetic designers instead of paying Pablo to make the game better.
I can disagree. The Warframes on this list are 100% subjective depending on build and playstyle. Don't get me wrong, DE has missed the mark before, saying that just because every Warframe doesn't kill as fast or deal as much damage as others is a joke in itself tbh.
@@True_Green_Arrow Do you know what KF is talking about in the video? He's talking about how powerful and efficient WFs can be for their particular playstyles, and especially in KF's case is how well they do in high-end and level cap content. All these WFs have a counterpart that can do even their job way better than them and other stuff along with it.
@@ItsJustZeeBTW yes I do understand. That still doesn't take into effect that this video is completely subjective depending on how you like to play, build and of course, what you have available to you at the time. It's true that some Warframes have similar abilities to others, but that doesn't mean that 1 is obsolete over the other in every situation. Basically what I'm trying to say is that every single Warframe does not have to kil, every Warframe doesn't have to do everything exactly the same; because if I was to actually implicate your idea into my playstyle, at this point I don't need a Warframe to either strip armor or shields, I don't need a Warframe to crowd control anymore, I don't need a Warframe to deal damage, at that point I might as well just use my Tenno, but hey I digress.
Did not expect yareli as number 1, but only cuz i forgot she exist
"His biggest weakness... are stairs." haha. Handicap Prime baby.
Yareli is bad but she’s so fun to play 😂
Doesn't that remind you of Kungfu panda movie?
He is being good for Inaros.
Like LifeOfRio once said, before the nezha rework "You nezha mains are the reason why nezha is still shit, just admit that he sucks so DE might fix it"
Same to Inaros.
That's not at all how that works. Nezha and Inaros have different abilities and playsets: People who say that a warframe is "worst" typically base that on personal opinion. Some frames can be better for specific missions, but it depends entirely on how you decide to mod them.
@@travisarcher5724 there are static for Warframe popularity and.... strength I think, i was 2 parameters. Like public on Warframe website, if a Warframe is wssay too low in 1 parameter on just low on both they mau consider reworking it(cuz its not just 1)
@@travisarcher5724 okay so what mission is Inaros good for outside of fingering himself on Hijack
I think Warframe is running into the same problems engineers and fabricators run into, where an engineer will go to a fabricator and say "look at this pretty picture I drew, will you make this for me?" Then when the fabricator says "I don't think that's physically possible or a good idea." The engineer does that childish "oh yeah!? Well I'll show you!" Then proceeds to make Yareli.
Fixing Hydroid:
- 4: The tentacles will move once they've grabbed something to throw them into the center of the effect / into the kraken head, where they disappear below the ground like Hydroid's current 3 where they take a scaling DoT, that applies damage dealt as healing to all allies in range. Tentacles can take damage from Hydroid and Ally's effects but are unkillable- All damage and conditions are applied instead to all enemies being held by the tentacles / center.
- 3: Replace the ability with an invulnerability that gives him watery textures and a wave effect at his feet. Also replaces Tidal Surge merged into one. Any enemy he passes through or makes contact with his wave adds to the duration of invulnerability. He has normal warframe movement, just with the water trailing and splashing effect.
- 2: Hydroid dives into the ground to splash up out from a targeted area. Nearby enemies in an area around in the splash zone are blinded and given Vulnerability, like Equinox's vulnerability. If his 4 is currently active, it can be targeted through walls regardless of distance, and he'll jump out from the center of it in a larger aoe matching the 4's size.
- 1: Change design so all water strikes cluster in a central area then slowly spread out. Each hit adds scaling damage by the damage already dealt and the value of armor it strips - innately stripping 10% per hit.
- Passive: Slam attacks spawn 3 tentacles that pull in enemies within 20m, and deal the slam damage on contact.
Fixing Yareli:
- 4: Keep the dumb water twister active for a duration without throwing enemies, keep them grouped at the base of the twister. Maybe replace the VFX with a central downpour, and a maelstrom effect in the radius pulling enemies into it. Enemies remain stunned for its duration and a few seconds thereafter.
- 3: While active, Aquablades will also appear surrounding the waterfall 4. A portion of damage dealt by aquablades will be reflected onto all enemies within the 4's area. (Including your own casting of it). Make aquablades damage enemies that are inside of its radius as well.
- 2: Tap cast to use it and make yareli invulnerable while on it to offset its bullshit. HOLD cast to gain its current functionality, without the dumbass kdrive and its limitations.
- 1: Replace with a water shot that on impact splashes to cause bubbles to appear around enemies within its area. Bubbled enemies will release one bubble every 2 seconds or so at unbubbled enemies within a range around them. If Aquablades are active, aquablade damage reflects onto to any bubbled enemies.
- Passive: No reason what so ever that it's limited to secondary weapons. Just makes it a worse Zephyr passive.
This good ngl
I honestly love Yareli 🤷♂️ I know a lot of people don’t like her, but I think she can be fun to play as.
I love her and imo she's fun but she is ass for higher stuff
My friend mains her despite her being bad and he even knows and jokes about how bad she is. In the end it’s mainly about what frames you find the most fun
@@falcongamingproductions9938 you can make somewhat good builds off her aqua blades
But she literally requires a helminth
I actually think yareli is way better than inaros simply because she can shieldgate and she has a useful ability
If she had any other second ability I would like her more but the movement on her k-drive does NOT feel good to me and survival tools on helminth are kinda rare so I just subsumed her for aqua blades, which have been really fun and handy for leveling frames like Harrow that don't have damage powers on their kit or the speedy bois like Nezha and Volt
No joke I was trying so hard to figure out who was the number one worst frame because I completely forgot Yareli even existed.
*“Valkyr when she presses 4”* I died here
You sounded so over it💀
I will never not click on these worst warframe vids and look for the salty comments, absolute top tier content
I'm a new player and this is my favorite channel. The value I get from avoiding Time/Plat traps by spending days or weeks building underpowered frames can't be understated. Ty for these :)
Misleading if anything.
@@ralvosx895 gnihtyna Reggin
I just play what is fun. The community focuses so heavily on optimization to a minute percentage that it is not fun sometimes.
Yeah literally it’s not that serious but it’s whatever
I work in the game industry and every time I read user complaints, a lot of it is just people talking about how there isn't enough content because they optimised the fun out of the game. As great as it is that people are so passionate about games, some people really just need to touch grass sometimes. Or at the very least, learn to swap games from time to time and not take it so seriously.
Yup
100% support this. I main Hildryn not becoz she's op, but because she doesnt require energy to cast abilities. Plus she's fun to customize and I like muscle mommies XD.
Keep in mind boys, just because they're bad it don't mean they're not fun. If you main any of these frames more power to you. Especially to all the Yareli mains, God knows you need it.
If marulina werent so buggy i would only play yareli shes incredibly fun :)
Sometimes, warframes are not just design for endgame content.
I was glad to have chroma when i was a fresh player, it alowed me to survive and be useful in higher missions than i usually could.
Same goes for Hydrilin for farming.
There is no endgame outside of fashion frame. 6-24hr SP endurance runs to get to 9999 isn't much of an endgame.
Hey guys you ever get that pain in your chest when your main frame is on the list
OOF
What did you expect from the warframe who got gaped even in her own comics stories and got her enemy beaten down by the kids afterwards...
What Warframe is that?
@@SS-hb1xm Yareli, she got soloed by the dude, who forced the children,who later created that skateboard sindicate, to work for him, it`s told in her quest comics
@@alexdz4938 oh you mean ballas?
@@SS-hb1xm nope,just random greneer guard, no special powers or so
@@alexdz4938 damn...Plastic Yareli
Having come from D2 because of content drought and chroma is my favorite warframe just because I just use gunplay alot more than any other melee and the concept of ability spam just feels alien to me, so more damage to my guns means more fun for me
Disappointed that hydroid is so bad because of how cool his deluxe skin is.
The best part about yareli is that you can buy her animation set and give it to nezha
Yareli is my main. I don't know exactly what changed with her, since I just came back for Devuri stuff and left around when the 2nd dream came out. I'll take a crack with a list of stuff below from playing her for the past 2 weeks.
I think she's amazing. She's definitely been changed and she's my go-to for level 100 missions since I don't have any primer mods or anything super good. She's straight up invincible and can sweep comfortably. She's not a top tier frame by any means and you're not going to be sweeping shit like crazy, but she's super fun & cute.
Pro's
- Her K-drive makes her invincible for 4 seconds when you get on the board. + Operator invincibility + its like 25 Energy
- 90% of damage is taken from the board BEFORE you... which is fuckin insane.
- COMPLETE IMMUNITY TO KNOCKDOWNS while on k-drive including those door lasers oof.
- Her first ability with the water bubbles that "tickles" now do 200%+ damage vulnerability
- Her giant water bubble suck in ability lasts 20 seconds+. You detonate it itself to fling enemies which you don't typically wanna do.
- She can use all her abilities on her K-drive now including operator without getting off
- Her augment lets her have infinite stacking damage buff to her number 3 basically. Her spinning blades lasts 90+ seconds with duration mods, then when you re-press 3, you throw out a blade. That blade deals more damage if you've hit people with the blades around you. Since you have 90% damage reduction its not a problem.
- You CAN interact with stuff while on the board, albeit a little bit more difficult.
Cons
- You still bash your head on doors (Corpus doors especially).
- The game isn't designed for a K-drive. You'll hit some weird shit. Like if you fall off the map, you get dismounted, but you could also find yourself 200m away from where you fell lol.
- Sometimes you can fall through the map.
- Sometimes you're stuck in operator and cannot be targeted by enemies or change back.
- Being on the k-drive fucks up some story instances. Its kinda hard to explain. e.g. A you'll get attacked in a story instances but it will attack your frame, its model. Yareli's K-drive is an extension OF HER. Its not like a regular k-drive, so these attacks intended for a warframe cannot work on Yareli. Thus halting the story. You cannot be knocked down by a story instance knockdown which has + a billion% knockdown because you're immune, not resistant, immune. You can just dismount to fix it all but could be an issue for some people I guess, still kinda fun.
YESS DEFEND OUR QUEEN SHE IS NO LONGER THE FRAME SHE USED TO BE
Yeah, she got a buff some months ago. She pretty decent now. I'd use her slightly more often if she got some skins, like the ones planed on her concept art sheet
ye, she's good. bugged to hell and back, but good xD
I threw mine to helminth for the extra space :"D
The developers of this game is so sneaky. They literally created a whole game where you think you're making progress, but in reality you're just doing the same shit you do at lvl 1.
I mean, destiny just copied the formula
Did you know that most games are like this? If you can make the game that the same shit you do over and ove again is entertaining, then its a good formula. I'll bring up some examples so you can think a bit more open mindedly: League of Legends, Dota, Counter Strike, Overwatch, Valorant, Every rogue like game, in a sense every MMORPG, every ARPG, and so on and so forth. If anyone starts arguing the try thinking what do you do in these games and you will soon realize it that yes, you literally do the same thing over and over again. But if you still feel like arguing or more like discussing, then feel free to do so.
I mean, I didn't have enough endo and mods to have actual fun and have powerful warframe/weapons at mr1. If by doing the same shit you mean generally going into a mission and killing stuff, i guess you're right.
@@maltaroth754 I agree with what you wanted to say but those title examples are opposite of being 'on point' except of arpgs.
@@tangomilano4503 Could you elaborate? Which titles, and why do you think they are the opposite?
Most problems with warframes in this list is they good at nothing, what ever things they can do other frames can do it better.
Sounds a lot like you're describing wukong there lmao
chroma is good at farming credits. inaros is damn good for high jack sorties.
@@KnightmareFrame The way you go at these frames is very superficial if anything.
5. Chroma
4. Grendel
3. Hydroid
2. Inaros
1. Yareli
You're welcome
Inaros is bad? Damn
@@wil5174 his passive was a big meme years ago, is an even bigger meme nowadays with the existence of Sevagoth
Yareli is not the worst she shreds in steel path now 🥱
So in short:
Chroma: outdated
Grendel: gimmick warframe
Hydroid: useless
Inaros: great idea, bad abilities
Yareli: worse than her quest
Yareli> inaros
Quite easily honestly just because she can shieldgate
I still think Grendel is a really good crowd clear frame. Suck up 30-40 enemies quickly in 1-2 casts of his 1 then instantly spit them out to kill then all and regain any nrg lost. Can also subsume fire last to instantly strip armor so the tactic scales even higher. Plus he has a high health pool while still having a shield gate and has a built in heal with his 2. Only downside is that overguard counters him, but that counters nearly every frame anyways.
I have to disagree on inaros. He was the best prank warframe. I used to go into defense mission with a low strength build inaros to hit his 2nd ability on the last enemy and suck on them for ages to mess with people.
AAHAHAH LOL THATS ACTUALLY A GOOD IDEA
pure evil, try gauss with radiation status applied, people can't even revive after you hit them with 2
Duration efficiency Limbo is the best prankster. Just send your team or enemy into the rift and watch them try to deal damage.
Chaotic Evil
@@FerunaLutelou that was great when allies werent able to leave the rift by their own
They won’t rework or tweak Grendel or Yareli until their primes are released. It’s their gimmick to get you to buy into the Prime Access by hyping it up. Garuda is an example. Not that she was bad but got some QOL improvements.
Good list but i'm here just to read comments to feel better about myself
"Grendel keeps is nourish as is, his third ability now becomes a second nourish" Also: Grendel is stupid broken bro, you eat a massive number of enemies and then spit them up by holding 1, they take damage based on how many of them you eat, and even without that, lets say you ARE just eating and keeping them... now you're just removing enemies from the map without having to actually kill them quickly... great, you're now Hydroid, but wider range, and your allies can't actually shoot you to kill the guys you've eaten.
I can't tell if you're trying to say Grendel is good or that he is bad.
You have the point. IMHO it is not ok when you need to justify a warframe's existence by the Helminth system.
Sadly, DE are more focused on adding new stuff in the game, instead of organizing the already existing one. Eximus + Focus rework are a sudden exceptions.
I as a Chroma main have to agree... No matther how good or bad Vex Armor is on paper... What good is it for if you cant even use it at all in a public multiplayer instance... Every mission becomes the same struggle: You cast Vex Armor try to find some enemies that could potentially damage you and stand right infront of them meanwhile they miss you with like 50% of their shots while you stand completly still and then go into a long af realod animation... Now that only works when they are alive... What usually happens is you find a group of enemies and they try to attack you but 2 seconds later one of these public random team mates comes swooped over with their Ignis Wraith, Kuva Zarr or Kuva Bramma and blows them up... Now you stand there and your Vex Armor duration runs out and guess what if you recast it all the power str you tried to snapshot... it doesnt get carried over so have fun getting that set up again. Now one could argue why would anyone play Chroma in public multiplayer or why dont you use hema or combat discipline... They still require enemies that are alive and its just bad game design if you say "just dont play a Warframe in multiplayer" where Warframe is litterally a multiplayer game...
8:40 here's what you do.
Passive: if he is hit by ranged weapons, he is able to collect that ammo and convert for his held firearm(works even while under liquid body). if he is hit by melee, he has a chance to coat their weapon in slime that will cut its damage by a 4th.
1- tempest barrage has 2 fire modes:
a) tempest- hydroid rains down bullets that hits all enemies in an area, the rain diminishes their vision and sound perception, to 25% its original range, as well as slow them their movement down.
b) barrage- by holding down the button, it casts basically the same as it is currently, but with the added effect of each bombardment has a 25% chance of exploding a nulifier bubble on impact.
Augment: enemies inside a tempest will get coated, giving them 2x the number of elemental procs from hits that stack, enemies hit by the barrage will get double the time for procs that dont stack. getting hit by cold procs while coated by either tempest or barrage will give them a 25% chance of being frozen instead.
2-tidal surge, basically the same as it already is, but with the augment effect already on, also, tidal surge can jump, run on walls and other parkour movements.
augment- hydroid is considered invisible while in a tidal surge, including being able to get through barriers without alerting them nor suffering its effects.
3- liquid body: coats hydroid into a slimy liquid that absorbs part of the damage he would receive, the liquid form has its own hp, that can be refiled by going into a tempest barrage.
augment: hydroid can hold the button down, filling the water with his own blood, sacrificing his health but giving him status immunity and enhanced defences(similar to the scarabs from inaros).
4- unite both tentacle swarm and undertow as 1 skill now called, kraken release: hydroid is able to summon the kraken and its tentacles, the tentacles hold enemies in place(similar to ensnare), tentacle numbers is based on range, extra enemies will fall to their waist and get stuck inside the liquid. enemies are still susceptible from most ragdoll abilities, like vortex, larva, mag's magnetize, grendel devour...
holding down 4, will comand the kraken(for a 4th of the original cast cost) to slap its tentacles around(similar to how it acts now), hitting all enemies inside the puddle, while also sending a wave that drags enemy with it when returning.
interacting with the kraken allows hydroid to mount it, letting him shoot explosive water balls from the kraken's mouth instead of his primary, or a burst of spikes instead of his seconday and a slap from a pair of tentacles with massive range in place of his melee(each using the respective weapon mods equiped on them).
while mounted hydroid moves at half the speed, but can use tidal surge
augment . holding down 4 no longer makes the kraken slap its tentacles around, instead hydroid will command the kraken to eat held enemies, giving any ally inside the puddle range, healing based on the amount of enemies eaten, enemies being eaten take damage similar to old undertow, enemies inside the puddle or held by the tentacles have a higher chance of dropping loot.
the idea is to turn hydroid into a slower, tankier version of yareli. he was supposed to be a pirate warframe, and the king of the seas. so why not make the kraken into his ship, and throne?
Good essay bro, tldr. He’s still shit
I felt so bad when my gf wanted to play Yareli when she started the game, now her Yareli sits in her arsenal waiting to be used again since she found that she is bar
That's why I didn't look up their kits or videos when grinding for them. Sure you might not be able to take these all the way in the top tier stuff but for general players it doesn't really matter. Play what you find fun.
I was so mad I grinded Yareli got her to rank 30 and just consumed because she was so awful for such an annoying grind
Greetings, LR2 here. I don't "disagree" with your list, but i think its important to realise that although Inaros is terrible late game, for newer players, Inaros is a great entry frame to start doing things like Arbitrations when you don't have the best gear and Arcanes. I've taken Inaros in to Arbitrations with no mods (just fully modded weapons) and stayed half an hour survivals. He has a place, it may not be a good place or in that place for very long, but he does have a place.
This may be true in the past, but now, with shield gating, Inaros actually has WORSE survivability than most other frames. And I would say, if a new player wants to get into arbi survival, just go with a team and bring a control frame (nova, Khora, vauban, etc), and they will have a much easier time and will actually be helping the team. You're never really in danger of even getting hit with all the cc, and even if you do, you can shieldgate, and just go into operator and get your shield back, even easier with Vazarin.
@@richlee6331 You don't need to shield gate anywhere in the starchart
@@mitzi3262 if it's normal mode you're talking about, neither do you need Inaros or even any mods on your Warframe. Weapons alone are plenty enough for regular star chart
@@richlee6331 completely missed the point. new players may not be able to shield gate effectively, may not have rolling guard. Inaros can face tank without mods, with out arcanes, without shield gating content that a new player is not actually ready for. Bringing a control frame that isn't ready, that doesnt have a great build because they haven't farmed the arcanes and mods is a liability. you aren't helping the team if you are dead. He has a place, not a great place, but a place none the less. Talking about using a focus tree, new players may not even have half the nodes unlocked.
@@matthewgill2695 you said doing arbitrations. That means you already completed the entire star chart. I think it is very reasonable to expect you to have a few control frames built at that point, especially Nova, as she can perform decently well with basic mods and no formas. Arcanes are generally never required for any build, other than energize for certain extremely energy-hungry frames, or for builds where you are to have a channeling ability up for extended periods of times. Apart from that, arcanes are usually just quality of life things, and at worse just causes mild inconveniences without them, say, kuva bramma without a r5 primary merciless, or not having r5 primary/secondary dexterity for combo duration, etc.
How to fix grendel: make him Kirby
Lord Pablo made Grendel fun af now and he even fixed Yareli(now we just need 20+ reworks
Hydroid holds a special place in my heart, being my first war frame I got many years ago. It was so fun and cool to play, but look what they’ve done to my boi…. LOOK AT WHAT THEY HAVE DONE!
Nothing I want more than a hydroid rework, I would main that frame if he was at all viable.
Back in the dayyy??!??! I leave Warframe for 4ish years and eidelons are back in the dayyy?!!?!
i leave warframe before rising tides and theres already like 2 new open worlds XD
as a new player whos first additional frame was yareli, typing "warframe yareli" into youtube and seeing this video popping up third from top was scary xD but i dont regret my choice
Don't worry, Yareli is highly underrated and is actually pretty good for early game. She's also supposedly getting 'changes' soon.
Yareli is awesome for open world content. Shes kinda meh in normal stuff but when she has room to actually move shes super fun.
Anyone noticed that his inaros Loadout was called waste of space😂
When I saw the title, I said to myself, "Yareli, Inaros, and Hydroid better be the top 3." Did not fail to deliver.
Rare Yareli main here. Love her? But I REEEALLY wish they would rework her. A great place to start would be giving her a proper damage reduction ability in place of Merulina. They could always just make Merulina a unique, equippable K-Drive instead of taking an ability slot.
Literally anything would be better than what we got... =( (AND, NO. AUGMENTS DON'T COUNT. STOP TRYING TO JUSTIFY AUGMENTS BEING "FIXES" FOR BAD ABILITIES. The Aquablades Augment should be base kit, and nothing can convince me otherwise.)
So unfortunate that Yareli is a RECENT release, makes me think there has been little progress made :( Great video tho
Inaros' first ability is literally just Dale from king of the hill
"Pocket sand!..."
Squirrel Tactics!
I'm a Grendel main. He's my most used Warframe. I have hundreds of hours specifically with this frame. Do I think that he is a little better than you give him? Yes. Do I still agree with what you said? Also yes.
I fully agree that Inaros ability design is catastrophic. But there is merit in having a big slab of stats that passively doesn't die in the vast majority of content and also doesn't care about getting nullified and Mag procced. You know, because your abilities don't matter anyway.
The most recent example for this would be the Zariman no-ability bounties, where Inaros is literally S-Tier by nature.
what is the point of making a no ability bounty in the first place. You make a gameplay where you can't use your warframe, since when that is a normal thing lol. Most people don't even play that mode, I personally will ignore that mode untill they remove it from the game.
if they can do 1k damage to kill you normal frame then they can do 7k damage to kill inaros.
@@satoutatsuhiro866 They quite literally can't if you have Arcane Grace.
All of these frames abilities are super cool, just a shame they don't have better numbers they might be more usable that way
Here's a one-step rework for Grendel: Remove Energy, have his abilities fueled by the number of enemies in his stomach balanced by maybe cooldowns?
Alternatively, give him constant and major Energy regeneration while he has enemies in his belly and instead of costing as much energy, have his other abilities deal additional damage to the enemies in his belly.
He got an augment for that.
@@ralvosx895 but it takes his health instead
@@johankaruyan5536 so?
@@ralvosx895 did u not watch the video ?, that's not what we want, if it takes health we gon' die
@@johankaruyan5536 you don'y always get what you want in life lol
I still can get over how much time I spent on that damn k drive quest to get Yareli's and she still turned out trash
I had taken a long break from the game and upon my first day returning I had a 50 off coupon that I used plat to spend on her. Worst plat spending decision I’ve ever made in the game.
Grendel now:bieng the best debuffer in the game, an immortal god of hunger
I've never seen anybody but myself use Combat discipline on chroma, but the health damage you take gives you the fury buff making him very viable on low level missions not needing to wait to take damage for the buff.
Yaerli should be on the list but not the worst. It at least has something, but nothing could be worse than inaros, he is just boring.
K-drive in standard missions is absolutly worst. I mean, you don't even fit in some doors
at least inaros allows you to walk in the park until lvl 200..... yareli is the only warframe that even if you helmith her is bad
The only reason to own Yareli is to subsume her and put Aquablades on Limbo. Let those blades shred away at enemies while you chill in the Rift...
I put her aquablades on my blender Mirage build. SO much slicing through everything
Grendel being a nightmarish fusion of Kirby and Samus makes me love the frame regardless of how bad it may be.
I respect you Kirby and Samus
Yareli's aqua blades are a good enough ability, and with the augment they become great, giving any frame the ability to nuke high level enemies. Everything else needs attention tho, that I agree with.
Fart
A rework idea for Inaros, his third ability could act similar to a cross between Nyx's bubble and Zephyr's twisters. When he starts spinning he sucks up enemies into the sandstorm, CC'ing them in the process, while doing damage. As things shoot at him, though, the damage is added to his current output, until he releases the twister, which he then also does a burst damage based on a percentage of the damage down during the twister phase. Would make twister useful, and even synergize it with his other abilities. So if he sucks up an enemy under the effects of his first or fourth ability, then he also heals himself, and does increased damage to those enemies. Something along those lines.
...or put Mirage's Eclipse on 3rd ability with Helminth, like I did.
Sandstorm has a good augment after last augs rework (ty Pablo).
In case you weren't aware the Chroma 4th does attack enemies, but it doesn't scale. So it barely even tickles past like level 20. IE. It does nothing.
I think Grendel shouldn't have energy at all. The cost for his other abilities would be consuming one of the enemies in his belly, make that into the energy source itself.
This right here
Honestly? I have a complaint about Inaros in your review, but its not what you're expecting! I actually agree he's completely outshined by SO many warframes in many different ways. But one thing you forgot to mention? He's boring as sin. He throws sand. At least Hydroid summons something cool like a Kraken. His abilites are not fun, and focused purely on his "Role". He's still my favourite and most used Warframe. But would it kill them to at least make his kit interesting? And if the enemies are even capable of killing me at all, his passive is just not gonna work. Because anything that can't kill me literally cannot do either enough damage, or enough damage I cannot just heal. So by the time enemies can kill me, his passive is more useless then...........I dunno, something else as useless. But gosh dang if he's Grineer skin isn't so freaking cool!
Why would people who play these Warframes be upset about this video? I challenge ANYONE to say that Inaros has useful abilities. Being "tanky" isn't an excuse. Rhino is a decent tank but he also has useful powers. The point of a Warframe is to have powers. A Warframe that doesn't do anything with his powers relies 100% on his weapons and there are a ton of frames that are better than Inaros at using guns.
Inaros is my second most played frame. Do I think he's cool? Yeah. Do I think he's the best frame ever? No. Do I wish DE would rework him and make him actually strong? Hell yeah.
I agree with the other stuff. I'd argue that Hydroid can be used to farm which might be useful for newer players (and I think he's the easiest frame to get among those that have loot-boosting abilities) so that makes him slightly better considering Warframe is a farming game. Yareli needs a rework from the ground up because k-drives were a bad idea and allowing a Warframe to summon a k-drive anywhere is an even worse idea
interested: how would you change him do you think? (inaros)
If Sandstorm gathered enemies close to ground level and didn't throw them around, it'd be a lot better.
His 2 would be a LOT better if it was simply marking enemies that you then damage by any means to replenish health and spawn Sand Shadows.
His Scarab Armor should "flake off" per hit and afflict nearby enemies with the health restoring scarabs, or if there's no nearby enemies the scarabs should seek an enemy within line of sight.
His Passive could be massively improved by 1: Adding Health Segments to simulate shield-gating, and 2: Fire Scarab Swarms from the Sarcophagus that siphon health from enemies at the target location, and have his revive bar filled based on damage dealt by the swarm instead of enemies killed. In fact, have him able to spend Energy in bleedout by using his abilities to pull in enemies (1 pulls waves of sand in a cone, 3 is a big AoE sandstorm that pulls enemies close, 2 fires the scarab swarms, and 4 could siphon bonus health into an armor boost once you self-revive).
@@fuzz1185 make his passive so he can subsume 4 abilities
@@molassesman4066 ah yes, dispensery, eclipse, breach surge and ensnare on one frame.
@@fuzz1185 i was thinking roar xatu wishper and nourishment and another weapon damage abiloty so his guns can have heart attacks
i would be so happy, if DE decided to rework the current worst warframes. even if it means no additional new warframes for a whole year.
There are far too few benefits and they will only rework things in between adding frames.
@@635574 i think DE stopped reworking warframes because of the Chroma outrage tbh. DE said a long time ago that they would slowly do mini-reworks / buffs for all warframes batch-by-batch, and in the first batch chroma was given his 3 jump passive and elemental cycling thing, which was hated by the community for some reason, and now they're too scared to rework warframes.
DE should realize that reworking a bad warframe like inaros is just like giving us a whole new warframe.
@@gault6546 unfortunately thats why they make new frames. Yareli is another hydroid and gyre is a another hydroid as well but dps and doesnt suck. Sevagoth is Both valkyr and inaros
So Basically:
5: The God Dragon (it hurted a little but u r right).
4: Diabetes/Obese Frame (I'd put that on number 3) (A warframe that should NOT exist)
3: The water puddle
2: The No Abilities Frame (😂🤣)
1: The "kawaii"-teenage-schoolgirl frame. (Well deserved) that abomination shouldn't have been made, stupid idea for a frame. Why would the orokin made a Teenage Schoolgirl a machine for war? (Idk the lore and I don't care about it, just trash)
they had to get income to finance the other frames that's why they made an idol xD
@@danielsantiago7268 😂 that's awful
I use Yareli and absolutely destroy enemies, not to mention I’ve seen so many people do wayyyyy more damage than me with her. I personally think she’s good but we all have our opinions ☺️
Its bad
@@Vagen1 ay that’s your opinion 🤷🏾♂️
@@eixyaemiko4680 278% ability strength
she is decent at early star chart but hitting mid-late star chart and even main story struggles really badly compared to other frames even B tier frames do a lot better such as zephyr or even Excalibur yareli 's abilities also are the worst in every category she is trying to fit and her CC is really bad compared to Harrow and the K drive inspired ability is a cool concept but it doesn't really help her kit in any way i have not hate to her but she needs a rework to compete with other frames who do her job a lot better
Just because you can use her and have fun with her doesn't mean she's good. Warframe is an easy game at the end of the day, you can play it however you want, but this list is based on doing high-end content and doing it efficiently. And in the case where people "are doing way more damage than you" doesn't mean Yareli's doing that damage, it's their weapons most likely. Yareli won't scale into level cap, and isn't good at fighting high-end content.
I hate sand it's coarse and rough and it gets everywhere.
I like inaros, simply because i cannot die with him, he is not funny if you play using a lot of powers, he is a imortal old man with a lot of life, mine has 10k and a bit 100
seems like you just havent played nezha yet
are u actually playing the game? you might just dont play the game and do something else instead of playing inaros
100 percent agree with Inaros. He looks cool. His concept is cool. But he was the most clunky and most migraine inducing warframe I ever had the displeasure of using. No matter how I tried to mod and play him it just never worked. The only thing that makes him better than yareli is that Inaros has some tankiness and yareli is just THAT bad. But even if I tried to go for a tank Inaros, it would still never hold a candle to my Rhino. Inspite of the insane health and armor it was still weaker and WAY more complex with ability use than it needed to be. It took forever to kill anything, I would die a ton, and I would be getting so frustrated with it that the continuous headaches would have me addicted to Ibuprofen by the end of the misson. Abilities 1 and 2 are too weak, 3 is super weak and makes you dummy slow, and 4 is turns you into a massive target to gain armor that becomes irrelevant at higher levels. Inaros was already dead to me, and when Sevagoth came out, there was literally no more incentive to play him.
can we have a poll to rename Inaros into Coffin Prime pls?
im praying they don't fix elemental ward + xata's whisper it's the only thing carrying my opticor vandal
Skill issue
Chroma is a beast with combat discipline and gloom. This is this first video you've made where I disagree with a most of it, normally I agree with most of your content.
Still enjoyed watching it despite my seething rage that you dont share the exact same opinions as me
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@@dudeguyforever3742 thanks for telling me you dont understand a joke without telling me you dont understand a joke
Nah man you prolly dunno how to make a joke in the first place hahahaha
@@dudeguyforever3742 yes because I was being completely serious when I said that I was in a seething rage over one of my favorite frame tubers having a different opinion than I
You aren't too bright
Watchu gonna do about it. Jack off to your seething rage dumbass hahaha. You're probably the kind of person to throw a fit or tantrum whenever someone disagrees with you.
keep in mind folks, this is a youtuber thats not new player friendly. this ranking is beyond pointless for 90% of the game, man only cares for Steel path or high endurance.
aka. every frame is decent, play who u want
mans forgot about hydroid but agreed
Steel path is now a requirement to get new incarnon weapons. Steel path is the new normal mode.
@@Recca471 steel path duviri is scaled alot differently.
@@Recca471 the duviri steel path is different, the game gives you some weapons and you get the decrees on top of that
@blogdogs9462 Quite aware how it works. :)
Inaros mains know their warframe is trash and they will never stop playing him
Yareli buffs
Passive: change critical chance to any weapon while moving
Sea snares: instead of grabbing 5 enemies, you make a bubble that distracts enemies, and when it pops, you get a movement speed buff (distraction time scales off duration, movement speed scales off power)
Merulina- completely scrap it, and replace it with an ability similar to hydroids wave ability, but instead of being a wave, you ride a wave. While riding the wave, you’re invulnerable, and any enemy hit by the wave is captured in the wave. When the wave stomps the enemies inside are cc’d to the ground for a moment. Wave goes off duration, size of wave scales off range.
Aqua blades: nothing needs changed about this, just give stat buffs, and allow range scaling.
Riptide: this move will be similar to how it is, but with fixed cc and bleed being applied to everyone within it.
I think these changes make Yareli go from a garbage tier frame to at bare minimum A tier with an amazing passive, tons of crowd control, mobility, invulnerability, and damage.
To be fair Inaros is Anakin Skywalker’s 1 weakness so that’s something
inaros, i play him a F ton, yes, but i do agree that he sucks at higher levels, i went on a mission (steel path btw) the other day, void cascade (corpus faction at the time) and i was doing fine for the first 200lvs, when the enemys got to lv250 i was already struggling, those thrax did a F ton of DMG, at one point it was like if they dont kill me first i'll kill them first, but eventually they started to ONE SHOT my inaros whos "TANKY" with adaptation, 9k health, all that tanky stuff that u guys know and love, i know, cuz i use him for lot of low level content when i just want to turn off my brain and do the mission without thinking on abilities, lich hunting?? F yea use inaros, low level steel path where enemys cant kill me cuz i'm still tanky? F yea! Apollo runs for axi relics?? F those nulifiers cuz inaros dosent care bout abilities, went on that same mission (not steel path btw) to farm a lot of axis with my friends, we stood for around lv 300 i think, sometimes i was 1 shot by those demolists CUZ INAROS ISNT TANKY AT HIGHER LEVELS, WHEN ENEMYS START TO HIT U FOR 3K+ DMG EACH SHOT OR SOMETHING (after adaptation and u armor btw) U R GOOD AS DEAD AND CANT KILL THOSE FUCKERS CUZ U TURN INTO A Fing COFFING, but yea, i do play inaros, when i want to be braindead
is what people dont get ...not only the game enemis scale in hp in armor but on dmg ... once you get to 200 + plus the dmg scales even higher than armor and hp so even if you have 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% dmg reduction they do like biliions of raw dmg thats why is either immortality , stealth or shield gating to get lvl cap
@@vergil9981 yep, btw do u use inaros for when u need to be braindead? lemme know
I’ll admit, Inaros really needs a rework, I used to use him so much but it was during low level content and I brought him to fight my lich, immediately dies with 100% armor, like, wtf, I loved him and I love his fashion but he sucks, I’m glad I use Baruuk and Saryn cause oh boy, are they fun to play
I don't think he's wrong, but Inaros can survive Decaying dragon key, Nightmare mode, and Cryogenic leakage missions all without any negative effect on your playstyle with him.
and who in the world plays nightmare missions
For hydroid, what if you could shoot the head of the kraken to transfer all damage to enemies that are held by tentacles?
That would make it super similar to Zephyrs tornados. Which is not bad, just too close in design
zephyr at home:
I mean i know im talking to a wall, but if you get passed the bad design of grendel and actually try to build him properly, he has armor strip, toxin damage for corpus and it scales infinitely and the damage is grossely high. You can have some warframe that takes more investement in a game to work well not everyone need to be a saryn or a wukong or else that would be boring. I dont feel like grendel belongs in the tier list you ´re just a bit biased because you dont like his design.
The jokes today were on point “his weakness is stairs”, “you can suck them off”😂. But jokes aside these warframes are not in need of a rework but Instead “Jesus”😭
Who knows I could be wrong so please correct me if I am. Ranking videos are 100% not needed for warframe
Why is that?
here`s your awaited comment defending warframe (but am I too late?)
I must say that chroma is not that bad, i think he`s best frame for solo orb mother runs (not solo too), but I agree that he needs a rework because he has 2 abilities which make no sense and a big problem with stacking up his armor & damage multiplier after self damage got deleted
I like the look of Yareli and her overall aesthetic, plus using her aqua blade augment is fairly fun hitting those huge slash procs on enemies.
However 3/4 of her kit is useless or cumbersome in this case and requires either jank or sheer determination to work even acceptably.
I hope she gets buffs or a small rework, because I dont mind her gameplay, but she seriously needs help.
Well as Yareli Main myself I helminth her 4th ability to Eclipse and do my Solo Survival Endurance for 8 Hours without any problem Her passive is 200% critical while movin so Knell prime do that Job also.
@@rantsam03 nukor kuva is better
Aaaaaaand he put Grendel on the list proving he knows nothing.
Grendel is a top tier Warframe, top 5 before eximus rework, still probably top ten.
Build better, play better.
The glimpse we got at your build in this video showed how terrible it was.
I will agree Grendel’s design is poor, but it’s factually incorrect to say he’s bad, especially if you’re going to consider Helminth, which you should for endurance builds as it’s endgame.
And, although corpus are somewhat of a meme, Grendel is indisputably the best Warframe in the game for dealing with corpus, by quite an extent. He’s not quite as good for infested due to healers and disruptors but still up there.
Bro I agree with you soooo much! Grendel is really good especially with helminth considered
COPIUMTRUCK
PUTTING HELMINTH ON A FRAME IS LIKE PUTTING DAMAGE BUFF ON UR GUNS
The gun isn't any better, its just the damage buff making it seem good
@@johankaruyan5536 I didn’t say he requires Helminth, but Helminth allows him to be much more effective against grineer by completely removing the energy drain issue and allowing one to build for much higher strength. But again, Helminth combos should at least be accounted for in any kind of endgame strength discussion as they are an integral part of endgame building.
@@finleymorris04 here's the thing, when u rate a frame u have to rate his a abilities, but helminth abilities are other frames abilities, not the one u are using, when u put gloom on inaros, u can say sevagoth's gloom is really good on inaros, but u can't say, inaros is a good frame with gloom, when gloom isn't even his ability
My problem with Yareli is that both Zephyr and Nezha already do what she does but way better.
Zephyr and who?
@@David-McCormick Whoops, fixed it.
And it's very easy to fix it, when I use Yareli I feel tremendous agony just using her 4, it's absolutely pathetic, I like the k-drive idea but I think it could have been more interesting like the Titania flight. CC is consistent but could be like Saryn's skill 1, and that 3 band-aid is absolutely disgusting.
Imo, every CC frame is kinda garbage due to the Eximus rework atm. Just every CC ability has been nerfed
Makes it exceedingly hard to solo steel path interception. Sigh
Revenant is still awesome, if you consider him a cc frame, though (and I do).
But not every enemy Is an eximus bro they do come but they are only immune to cc if they hv over guard
You had me dying with the intros bit🤣🤣
Meant Inaros spell check got me 🤪
While I do agree with the picks you've stated, some of the reasons were just..off.
I find the reason of, "You could just use a different frame" lazy and boring. Possibly you can tank with other frames and better with Inaros but my personal reasons for having him on a list like this is because he doesn't have any real aoe damage and can only really reliably take down one or two enemies at a time. Having 20k hp doesn't exactly save the objective.
Or like how Chroma can pump 80quintillion damage into every enemy on screen, he can really only do it one at a time and that's with helmith. Not something that should ever be used as a reason to do this. The fact that you have to take damage on a frame when you get melted/one-shot my anything the moment your shields go down and levels are high enough is bad for this game state.
The point of inaros is to put eclipse on his 1, use a nuke weapon, and nuke everything. You'd be surprised at how long 1 can go, sp solo survival is a joke, I never die. Acolytes just come see me to die. Or put chromas ability on, with cold, and everything dies as u just stand there.
@@chriscro1141 I don't like using Helmith when talking about a frame, since that's another Warframes ability not apart of the frame themselves.
I don't play anymore but I will not tolerate Grendel slander. He is a thick boi and we stan.
"I don't play anymore but" then your argument is invalid.
have a good day sir.
@@KnightmareFrame damn what was that
@@KnightmareFrame Congrats on replying seriously to a joke. Makes it seem like you are one.
@@GoneAngel congrats on replying to sarcasm and helping boost the algorithm.
good on you sir.
@@KnightmareFrame That's the best you could come up with? Disappointing.
Makes me sad to see my boy chroma here, but also kinda happy no true old school warframe is on this list, they have stood the test of time.
Tbh inaros should be the number 1 worst frame because at least you can shield gate with the other frame making them scale better without abilities
Doesn't he have some utility for a no shield nightwave?
@@fcold9402 eh i feel lavos just does that better, and even soo most of the nightmare missions you can just speedrun trough and barily to never get hit
Chroma really underrated Warframe, his kit is mainly on buff, his lack of offensive ability really put him on the edge of the joke. But I like Chroma, with the nourish update plastered on him making Chroma almost unstoppable.
Chroma is OP for profit taker though.
@@Teuwufel yeah op for getting more credits