To everyone living in every single country in this world besides the U.S. who is offended by my use of the word "soccer" versus "football," I sincerely apologize. I hope you enjoy the video despite that!
Also please fix 'barca' because even it's even slightly offending me, a person who is neither from Barcelona nor a culé or even remotely cares about footbal
Actually football is technically called association football. Rugby is also actually rugby football. Back in the day, because football could mean either, ppl started calling one assoc and one rugby. In those times it was cool to add “er” to the end of a word, so ppl started calling it rugby and soccer. So really, going back to English roots, it’s called soccer, because football could mean either of the two. Plus, the original way to say it (the name it had when it was invented) is Futbol. It’s either Futbol or soccer, so if u think about it, you’re wrong both ways😂
Actually football is technically called association football. Rugby is also actually rugby football. Back in the day, because football could mean either, ppl started calling one assoc and one rugby. In those times it was cool to add “er” to the end of a word, so ppl started calling it rugby and soccer. So really, going back to English roots, it’s called soccer, because football could mean either of the two. Plus, the original way to say it (the name it had when it was invented) is Futbol. It’s either Futbol or soccer, so if u think about it, you’re wrong both ways😂
What you mean "when"? Football is always political, and it has always been. Since the beginning, as it was born in the midst of Victorian era and it was taken abroad by Englishmen all across the globe... but only to play amongst themselves. FC Barcelona was born as a "European-only" club, no Spaniard (nor Catalonian) could join. It only became the Catalonia flag club decades after. There are many other clubs way more politicized than FCB. One particularly was born for political reasons (among other motives): Celta de Vigo. Celta means "celtic" in Galician and Spanish, and some of the founders of the club were sympathisers of Galician nationalism, they wanted to create a club that could represent Galicia and by declaring themselves "celtic" they were making a political statement, as "celtism" was strongly related to early 20th century Galician nationalism. Other clubs related to Galician, Basque or Catalan nationalism are Athletic Bilbao, Real Sociedad and Osasuna and, to a lesser extent, Lugo, Deportivo de La Coruña, Pontevedra, Eibar, Alavés, Sestao,Girona, Lleida, but in those cases only the most radical fans are involved in politics, so the percentage of people that share the political views of their hooligans varies from one club to another. There are teams with left and right hooligans. The most notorious of the "leftist" clubs is Rayo Vallecano, kind of a St. Pauli madrilean version, and many other clubs, such as Sevilla FC, Alcorcón, Nástic, Cádiz, Tenerife, and all the nationalists above mentioned, as many nationalist are left wingers in Spain. The most radical far right hooligans are those of Real Madrid, Atletico de Madrid, Valencia, Espanyol, Sporting de Gijón, Zaragoza and Betis, and not necessarily in that order. Other significant right wingers are those of Malaga, Valladolid, Leganés, Getafe, Oviedo, Elche, Mallorca, Recreativo de Huelva, Levante...
Rohan Ghosh Football was political since the begonning. It was exported worldwide as a symbol of Victorian Britain, to aculturize other countries and impose the values of a mighty empire. It's like McD's, Halloween or Black Friday. So, yes, it was political: in Spain and many Spanish-american countries the first clubs were founded by Englishmen. No wonder the best football in America is played on countries with big numbers of people of English descent and that traded more with Britain: Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil. Have you ever thought why baseball is so popular in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic and Venezuela? Could it be the same reason it's popular in Japan? Isn't it weird that football never conquered the East Asia market? Could it be possible that it may be related with nationalism and political turmoil during the first decades of the 20th century?
No, it's not. You are misled by the "anglo" perspective on the term "nationalism" and "nationalist". In Spain there are two kinds of nationalism: Spanish nationalism and nationalism of the regions with different languages. Spanish nationalism has been overwhelmingly controlled by the right and the far right, even if it's true there's still a number of leftwingers that support the idea of Spain as a united nation (in the French conception of the term), a unitary State that may provide and bring progress. Nationalism on the "historical" regions of Spain (those who have different official languages: Galicia, Basque Country, Navarre, Catalonia and the minority in Valencia and Balearic islands that stands for the "Catalan Countries" or "Big Catalonia") is different. In the Catalan and Galician cases it started as a progressive movement, led by liberals that were dissatisfied with the failure of the Spanish 1st Republic and tired of trying to make Spain a progressive country. Only in the years following the 1898 disaster (the loss of Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Philippines) the right wing of regional nationalism appeared. Many of the former far-right royalists (so called "carlistas") joined en masse regional nationalist parties in order to continue to fight against the government imposition (the end of territorial rights and common law, the creation of provinces following the French model and the growing tax burden). They were a minority, though, and were only prevalent in the Basque Country. In Galicia and Catalonia the vast majority of nationalists stood for liberal democracy, a republic and the modernization of Spain. Both Galician and Catalonian nationalist leading parties were part of the Popular Front, the government overthrown by Franco. And the Basque right nationalists fought against Franco's army for a while, until they were isolated and force to withdrawn (maybe you've seen Picasso's Guernica: they were the first civil victims of an air strike in Europe). Later, maybe for the association between right and Franco's regime, many of the more conservative nationalist parties evolved: they are still conservative, but Catalan and Basque right parties are far more open-minded that any of their Spanish counterparts. So, in Spain, regional nationalism doesn't imply racism, fascism, bigotry or any other kind of discrimination, it's a defensive movement that tries to protect minorities forced to live under the rule of a Spanish majority, supporting local culture, language and territorial rights. I don't know if you've ever seen Celtic FC fans: they're very progressive and they're still catholic and Irish nationalists. So, not every nationalism is the same and means the same thing.
Football expansion followed the golden age of British Imperialism, so, I'm sorry, but it was brought to your country because of the expansion of free trade and (I don't know what country is yours) maybe forced exchange. UK, in the aftermath of Napoleonic Wars, entered as a privileged partner in many american and asian countries, and it couldn't be possible before, as there were other empires (like the Spanish or Portuguese) and free trade was not an option until 1815. In fact, in some cases, such as Paraguay, China or Japan, free trade was imposed by force. Saying that football wasn't political then is like saying that opening a McDonald's in Irak has nothing to do with politics. I'm sorry, but it isn't true. I have to insist in the baseball issue. Why is baseball popular in Venezuela, Cuba, Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic? It's not just for being near the States. Mexico shares a border and there are way less fans of baseball there. Mexico had a different relationship with the States and it was never colonized nor treated as a Banana Republic. Nationalism was strong in Mexico, and it lead to a protectionist regime, so the american culture was never imposed in Mexico. The Southernmost american countries had a big share of european population and a 100 year free trade tradition with the UK, so that's why they play football and not basketball or baseball. Football was never a success in East Asia. Soccer, instead, has been a success. And I'm not talking about the american football. What I'm saying is that once it was a success in the US, it was brought to East Asia in the last 20 years, following the "soccer fever". It's now that football is blooming in China, Japan and Korea, no one gave a shit for football before the 2000s in there.
According to the polls, independence is supported by 45 to 48% of the population. That doesn't mean that the rest is ok with the current status, many of them are discontent and, even if they don't want to break up, they want a constitutional change. Leftwingers, united among parties as Podemos and Catalunya Si Que es Pot, or "els Comúns" in Barcelona and other cities, don't support independence but would like a new constitution, the end of monarchy and the establishment of a federal republic. They are supported by the 9% of the voters (according to the polls), so, that means that 18% of the non-nationalist voters are not ok with the current Spanish Constitution.
Sorry, but more people voted in the last Catalan elections for parties that don’t want independence. This means more Catalan people don’t want independence. Many people in SPAIN are Barcelona supporters so are many Catalan people who don’t want independence.
Bejaoui Noura Dude,The election was illegal by the spain governemnt.Therefore MUCH more independence voters will vote then stay voters since stay voters dont need to worry and dont want to get into trouble with the spainish government and so not voting.
Even though I don't support Catalonian independence, I still love FC Barcelona!! Love the way they play and have the best players like Messi and Iniesta!! ❤️
this is you indian ho have nothing do with this but in native spain and catalonia it'is this right the politics ho made the rival with this clubs educate yourself and learn history
@@MsAymantube Don't talk in the name of Catalans and the rest of Spaniards. Here football is the main thing, politics are just almost noise around it, usually linked with certain fans, certain hooligan clubs and clubs directives. And is faaar from being black and white. There are lots of Barça supporters in Catalonia and the rest of Spain who don't want independence. Even there are Catalan regionalists/nationalists who don't want it! And pleeease, stop believing there arr the Catalans, the Basques and then "the Spaniards", as if in the rest of the country we were all bullfighters and Flamenco dancers and madridistas. EVERY REGION HAS ITS OWN FLAG, CULTURE AND LOTS OF THEM HAVE ALSO THEIR OWN LANGUAGES.
We have also similar problems in Turkey and I feel sorry for Turkish and Kurdish people who want to live in peace. I also feel sorry for my Spanish and Catalan friends because they will suffer for the consequences of this conflict in one way or another because always peoples suffer for their leaders' decisions and in the end they get nothing.
array s Calm down, I'm not the one who was/is responsible. Governments don't represent every citizen but the majority of them. What I wanted to say was ethnic problems are mostly the same but how they are solved vary everywhere. These solutions are mostly not so good as extreme nationalist ideas exist in both sides like in Turkey. I hope you are not so naive to think that Kurdish people are pure innocent. Think about it like vicious cycle. Hatred causes hatred. Search about IRA for example. They had the same aim as PKK. They don't represent every Irish as English government doesn't represent every English but in the end each side had casualties for their leaders (even while they didn't choose them).
Title and content doesn't match. where is Real Madrid part? Real madrid have nothing to do with catalan independence. "Barca and Catalan's fight for independence" should be the title
Zak Bron you've watched an amazing video that describes the political matter in this sport in Spain, and the only thing you have to say is to correct the name of it? Get your shit together man...
Actually football is technically called association football. Rugby is also actually rugby football. Back in the day, because football could mean either, ppl started calling one assoc and one rugby. In those times it was cool to add “er” to the end of a word, so ppl started calling it rugby and soccer. So really, going back to English roots, it’s called soccer, because football could mean either of the two.
so what do you think you could survive just with your gdo who would defenitely become lower than portugal because companies would leave catalunha and move to spain because there thay have more trade rights with more countries
Woooo! Way to go Catalonia. You're richer than one of the poorest countries in Europe. Alright! I went to Portugal once. They actually warned us to keep our hands in our pockets to ward off pickpockets and do NOT EVER stop and talk to the locals unless they were running some shop or something. This was in the Algarve, Portugal's biggest tourist site so God knows what the rest of the country is like. Trouble is....they gave us a very similar warning when we went to Barcelona...
When you go a foreign country and you found a liar while walking down the street and ask excuse me can you tell what's happens here? ,The resume of documentary.
Not all Barca players are Catalan. La Liga keeps FC Barcelona the footballing giant it is, and La Liga reaps the rewards of them being in the league. In a way, they need each other.
Nice all around video, very informative! @AJ+ But small error- The Atletico vs. Barca game that was shown (*Game time 17:14) was NOT Barcelona's first game back in their home Camp Nou since the referendum (letting fans back in their stadium) as the game was held as an away match in Atletico's new stadium, Estadio Wanda Metropolitano in Madrid.
True footballers who really enjoy watching football, HATE that people want to convert the game into political discussion pd: A lot of regions of Spain have a own language and different cultures, Catalonia is not special whatever they think they are... Not all Spain is Olé Olé -.-
When Spain won the 2010 World Cup there were only four Catalan players, the others were three non-Catalan players who played for Barça and I mention Iniesta and Villa, two fundamental players in achieving that World Cup. The rest of the players were already mainly from Madrid and other teams.
You only interview people from Barcelona. The title says Barca v R Madrid, why leave out the opinion of the people from Madrid? I know the neuralgic center of this mess is Catalonia, but it affects the rest of the country as well. I think the video is a little biased, and not all Barcelona fans are pro-independence as well as not all of Madrid fans worship the royal family.
Catalonia has NEVER been a country. Catalonia was part of the Aragon's crown. In the war for the Spanish crown Catalonia became a part of France, because Catalonia supported the man who lost that war, so in 1714 the man who won the war, the Spain's king, returned to join Catalonia to Spain.
I was going to watch that game then because of the stupid referendum we couldn’t, we couldn’t even do the stadium tour let alone most of the shops were closed, ARHHHHHHHH, fortunately I got to watch them in Wembley against Spurs!! It was lit!
If Catalonia is a country, they will regret being independent. The national team won't be stronger than before. Barcelona team cannot be the national team because of Messi, Suarez and other foreign footballers. They have a very slight chance to win the world cup as a country of independent Catalonia.
Lady can you please tell me z 7 barca players out of z 11 u said Iker casillas r.m Ramos r.m Puyol barc Alba not yet joined barc Capdevilla Xavi barc Senna villareal Iniesta barc Villa valencia Torress liverpool Alonso madrid Thank you bt ur info r wrong
Syed Abdul Wasay Actually football is technically called association football. Rugby is also actually rugby football. Back in the day, because football could mean either, ppl started calling one assoc and one rugby. In those times it was cool to add “er” to the end of a word, so ppl started calling it rugby and soccer. So really, going back to English roots, it’s called soccer, because football could mean either of the two. Plus, the original way to say it (the name it had when it was invented) is Futbol. It’s either Futbol or soccer, so if u think about it, you’re wrong both ways😂
Anuja Thakare Fútbol is the pronunciation of football. In Spain it is said ‘fútbol’ and the Spaniards we translate it in English as ‘football’ like all of Europe. Fútbol comes from Football. Actually it’s FOOTBALL
Okay I am a Messi fan I just watch Barcelona matches for him Didn't knew about all of this Hmm..... This thing is way more serious than I thought it would be My opinion - I don't know whether club should take part in politics or not, I really don't know.All I Know is that these things are happening and are just happening.There's no right or wrong here.
Welcome to modern USA (not America which is a continent) where activists are taking a knee during the anthem and sports teams are pushing political agendas
Dena Takruri, please do not forget about Barça fans who also love Spain. We enjoy watching amazing football and love our country. The problem I see with your coverage is that it seems that all Barça fans are separatists, which is very much not the case. Erik and Angel didn't vote in the referendum not because they FELT it was illegitimate, but because it WAS illegitimate. It is important to recognize the difference.
Barca should be a shame, el clasico is not about football rivalry but politics, Barca still living in the past and never change their idealogy. i'm Atletico Madrid fan, i hate Real Madrid as a football rivalry not political and Real Madrid does not represent Franco regime club anymore, it's now super elite football club of the world and i give respect for Real for not bringing politics in football. Barca proved themselves that they don't hate Real Madrid, that means el clasico is just politics and not really a football rivalry like Madrid derby, Superclásico of Argentina or Derby della Capitale.
If pique is so much Catalan then why don't he retire fron spain national team. Its disgraceful for Catalonia that their player plays for spanish just to win trophy for own sake. Pique if u have guts then retire from Spain. Stop acting through words and Twitter. Do some real shit bro. Grow up .
stay punny The problem is not if someone is "so Catalan" the problem is if someone is "so indepentist". Spainiards aren't against Catalans as a whole, they are against independetist Catalans. Being independetist does not make you more Catalan than being against and identifying as Spanish too. You can be both spanish and catalan at once. Most people in Catalonia independetist or not identify as catalan just like most Scottish unionists identify as Scottish more than just british. Piquet is a hypocrate just there for the money, he is constantly prounoncing himself in favour of the independetist but his argument is that he has so far not directly endorsed the idea of secession. He is using their arguments and rhetoric and then he's like nah as long as I haven't come out saying I'M AN INDEPENDETIST you can't know for sure.
I am a Barca fan, I feel the club should be less political. Barca is a sports club and not a political party. We have many fans all around the world who are misled.
Benedito Manhique I have read extensively into Barca history. Futbol Club Barcelona lie about a lot of things. The club was created as a football club. The rivalry with Madrid is only political because they are mis-characterized as Franco's team, they were never his team. Plus, Franco died 40 years ago, Catalonia is a thriving province, the club wins things left right and centre and still acts like a victim. More than a club is an outdated concept to me, Barca has lost all that made it more than a club to compete, which is the right thing. That's why I feel the idea of being Political is outdated, as a sports team or a football club you have the responsibility to know that taking a political stance will piss off the fans who pay your bills hence a club should be less political.
Timi Adeyemi THEN YOURE PART OF THEN PROBLEM NO OFFENSE BUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE IGNORANT AND THE REASON SHIT LIKE THAT WONT CHANG BECUASE YALL CHOOSE TOO IGNORE IT, BARCA IS CATAUNYA, ITS IN OFC ITS PART OF THEM, THEY NEED TO BE FREED !!!! SO STOP BEING IGNORANT !!!!!
Catalunya is Spain, they are not being oppressed. Espanyol is a Catalan club, they are apolitical. Barca is probably the only team in Spain that's expressly political and it's disgusting because they mislead people like you by thinking there is only one way. Personally, I am in two minds about Catalonia splitting. I love Spain and I love Barca, it will be a shame to see Spain ripped apart for selfish reasons.
Timi Adeyemi Barça will always be 'Mes Que Un Club', regardless of how and where you look at it. To state that their motto is outdated is to simply brush aside the history FC Barcelona has had with the government of Madrid and their unfortunate involvement during the regime of Francisco Franco. FC Barcelona had to endure the death of their president at the hands of Franco troops, Josep Sunyol on August of 1936. FC Barcelona had to change the clubs name from Catalan to Castilian, they lost a questionable second leg match with Madrid 11-1 after convincingly winning the first leg 3-0. All these events that transpired with FC Barcelona during Francos Regime can't simply be brushed aside. To state that this concept of 'Mes Que Un Club' is outdated is ignorant, at best. You state that you have read various books of the history of the club and yet you don't seem to understand that now, more than ever, FC Barcelona is mes que un club. During the referendum in Oct 1 FC Barcelona had no choice but to play the match against Las Palmas, even after they fought to postpone the game. FC Barcelona had a 7 point lead over their rivals Real Madrid, but the RFEF didn't allow the game to be changed and FC Barcelona would had lost 6 points instead of 3. 6 points. They decided to play closed doors, no fans, for security reasons and send a message to the world. And indeed that game will be in the history books, This is Mes Que Un Club.
Right. Football, or any sport, should not be politicized. Espanyol is a very good example for thst matter, and Real Madrid fans always applaud Barca players.
And what's up with Franco despising Barça? Did you even know he saved the club by cancelling the huge debt they acquired after building their Camp Nou stadium? Hadn't been for his action, Barça would've gone into bunkruptcy in the 60s.
To everyone living in every single country in this world besides the U.S. who is offended by my use of the word "soccer" versus "football," I sincerely apologize. I hope you enjoy the video despite that!
I appreciate your apology. Thank you.
Also please fix 'barca' because even it's even slightly offending me, a person who is neither from Barcelona nor a culé or even remotely cares about footbal
Dena Takruri .... you are forgiven my daughter. Now go forward and do great exploits 😁!
"They're part of La Liga, which is the Spanish Premier League"
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Dena Takruri I think you should make a future video on the northern Independence movement in Somalia known as Somaliland...just a suggestion.
She went to spain and she said soccer😂😂
She was assassinated later by and for the first time in history Bernabeu and nou camp were together
because she is a yank
@@ramborahul8150 😂😂 You didn't sent any Misailes in New York?
@@ramborahul8150 Goated comment🤣🤣🤣
Know your audience, most watch prob towards Americans; therefore say soccer
It's Football not Soccer
SHUT UP IMBECILE !!
Yeah
Rob McCallister it’s football
Same shit
Soccer is called by suckers!!!!
Politics and sports are connected in every country not just Spain.
FOOTBALL....
Does it matter😕
+ariean rachmat it's not ! call it Football! Do it! Rn
Actually football is technically called association football. Rugby is also actually rugby football. Back in the day, because football could mean either, ppl started calling one assoc and one rugby. In those times it was cool to add “er” to the end of a word, so ppl started calling it rugby and soccer. So really, going back to English roots, it’s called soccer, because football could mean either of the two. Plus, the original way to say it (the name it had when it was invented) is Futbol. It’s either Futbol or soccer, so if u think about it, you’re wrong both ways😂
It's sad that one wittle itty bitty word gets you so upset. Here's a tissue.
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F O O T B A L L. . .
Americans call it soccer
Actually football is technically called association football. Rugby is also actually rugby football. Back in the day, because football could mean either, ppl started calling one assoc and one rugby. In those times it was cool to add “er” to the end of a word, so ppl started calling it rugby and soccer. So really, going back to English roots, it’s called soccer, because football could mean either of the two. Plus, the original way to say it (the name it had when it was invented) is Futbol. It’s either Futbol or soccer, so if u think about it, you’re wrong both ways😂
Awe, does it bug you? Soccer. S O C C E R. Soc-cer. Soccer.
Who cares
Bookem Danno football
Franco despised Barca yet funded the camp nou? Please research before misleading people.
What you mean "when"? Football is always political, and it has always been. Since the beginning, as it was born in the midst of Victorian era and it was taken abroad by Englishmen all across the globe... but only to play amongst themselves. FC Barcelona was born as a "European-only" club, no Spaniard (nor Catalonian) could join. It only became the Catalonia flag club decades after.
There are many other clubs way more politicized than FCB. One particularly was born for political reasons (among other motives): Celta de Vigo. Celta means "celtic" in Galician and Spanish, and some of the founders of the club were sympathisers of Galician nationalism, they wanted to create a club that could represent Galicia and by declaring themselves "celtic" they were making a political statement, as "celtism" was strongly related to early 20th century Galician nationalism. Other clubs related to Galician, Basque or Catalan nationalism are Athletic Bilbao, Real Sociedad and Osasuna and, to a lesser extent, Lugo, Deportivo de La Coruña, Pontevedra, Eibar, Alavés, Sestao,Girona, Lleida, but in those cases only the most radical fans are involved in politics, so the percentage of people that share the political views of their hooligans varies from one club to another.
There are teams with left and right hooligans. The most notorious of the "leftist" clubs is Rayo Vallecano, kind of a St. Pauli madrilean version, and many other clubs, such as Sevilla FC, Alcorcón, Nástic, Cádiz, Tenerife, and all the nationalists above mentioned, as many nationalist are left wingers in Spain.
The most radical far right hooligans are those of Real Madrid, Atletico de Madrid, Valencia, Espanyol, Sporting de Gijón, Zaragoza and Betis, and not necessarily in that order. Other significant right wingers are those of Malaga, Valladolid, Leganés, Getafe, Oviedo, Elche, Mallorca, Recreativo de Huelva, Levante...
Rohan Ghosh Football was political since the begonning. It was exported worldwide as a symbol of Victorian Britain, to aculturize other countries and impose the values of a mighty empire. It's like McD's, Halloween or Black Friday. So, yes, it was political: in Spain and many Spanish-american countries the first clubs were founded by Englishmen. No wonder the best football in America is played on countries with big numbers of people of English descent and that traded more with Britain: Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil. Have you ever thought why baseball is so popular in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic and Venezuela? Could it be the same reason it's popular in Japan? Isn't it weird that football never conquered the East Asia market? Could it be possible that it may be related with nationalism and political turmoil during the first decades of the 20th century?
No, it's not. You are misled by the "anglo" perspective on the term "nationalism" and "nationalist". In Spain there are two kinds of nationalism: Spanish nationalism and nationalism of the regions with different languages. Spanish nationalism has been overwhelmingly controlled by the right and the far right, even if it's true there's still a number of leftwingers that support the idea of Spain as a united nation (in the French conception of the term), a unitary State that may provide and bring progress. Nationalism on the "historical" regions of Spain (those who have different official languages: Galicia, Basque Country, Navarre, Catalonia and the minority in Valencia and Balearic islands that stands for the "Catalan Countries" or "Big Catalonia") is different. In the Catalan and Galician cases it started as a progressive movement, led by liberals that were dissatisfied with the failure of the Spanish 1st Republic and tired of trying to make Spain a progressive country. Only in the years following the 1898 disaster (the loss of Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Philippines) the right wing of regional nationalism appeared. Many of the former far-right royalists (so called "carlistas") joined en masse regional nationalist parties in order to continue to fight against the government imposition (the end of territorial rights and common law, the creation of provinces following the French model and the growing tax burden). They were a minority, though, and were only prevalent in the Basque Country. In Galicia and Catalonia the vast majority of nationalists stood for liberal democracy, a republic and the modernization of Spain. Both Galician and Catalonian nationalist leading parties were part of the Popular Front, the government overthrown by Franco. And the Basque right nationalists fought against Franco's army for a while, until they were isolated and force to withdrawn (maybe you've seen Picasso's Guernica: they were the first civil victims of an air strike in Europe). Later, maybe for the association between right and Franco's regime, many of the more conservative nationalist parties evolved: they are still conservative, but Catalan and Basque right parties are far more open-minded that any of their Spanish counterparts. So, in Spain, regional nationalism doesn't imply racism, fascism, bigotry or any other kind of discrimination, it's a defensive movement that tries to protect minorities forced to live under the rule of a Spanish majority, supporting local culture, language and territorial rights. I don't know if you've ever seen Celtic FC fans: they're very progressive and they're still catholic and Irish nationalists. So, not every nationalism is the same and means the same thing.
Football expansion followed the golden age of British Imperialism, so, I'm sorry, but it was brought to your country because of the expansion of free trade and (I don't know what country is yours) maybe forced exchange. UK, in the aftermath of Napoleonic Wars, entered as a privileged partner in many american and asian countries, and it couldn't be possible before, as there were other empires (like the Spanish or Portuguese) and free trade was not an option until 1815. In fact, in some cases, such as Paraguay, China or Japan, free trade was imposed by force. Saying that football wasn't political then is like saying that opening a McDonald's in Irak has nothing to do with politics. I'm sorry, but it isn't true.
I have to insist in the baseball issue. Why is baseball popular in Venezuela, Cuba, Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic? It's not just for being near the States. Mexico shares a border and there are way less fans of baseball there. Mexico had a different relationship with the States and it was never colonized nor treated as a Banana Republic. Nationalism was strong in Mexico, and it lead to a protectionist regime, so the american culture was never imposed in Mexico. The Southernmost american countries had a big share of european population and a 100 year free trade tradition with the UK, so that's why they play football and not basketball or baseball. Football was never a success in East Asia. Soccer, instead, has been a success. And I'm not talking about the american football. What I'm saying is that once it was a success in the US, it was brought to East Asia in the last 20 years, following the "soccer fever". It's now that football is blooming in China, Japan and Korea, no one gave a shit for football before the 2000s in there.
According to the polls, independence is supported by 45 to 48% of the population. That doesn't mean that the rest is ok with the current status, many of them are discontent and, even if they don't want to break up, they want a constitutional change. Leftwingers, united among parties as Podemos and Catalunya Si Que es Pot, or "els Comúns" in Barcelona and other cities, don't support independence but would like a new constitution, the end of monarchy and the establishment of a federal republic. They are supported by the 9% of the voters (according to the polls), so, that means that 18% of the non-nationalist voters are not ok with the current Spanish Constitution.
D. L.R. bro it's "how" not "when". Ur whole comment isnt needed lol
Sorry, but more people voted in the last Catalan elections for parties that don’t want independence. This means more Catalan people don’t want independence. Many people in SPAIN are Barcelona supporters so are many Catalan people who don’t want independence.
Movimiento Naranja wrong
Bejaoui Noura Dude,The election was illegal by the spain governemnt.Therefore MUCH more independence voters will vote then stay voters since stay voters dont need to worry and dont want to get into trouble with the spainish government and so not voting.
Just because they're Barca supporters doesn't mean they are Catalan.
the majority voted for independence that what matters persons ho voted for ant-independance parties they are spanish immigrents in catalonia
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Even though I don't support Catalonian independence, I still love FC Barcelona!! Love the way they play and have the best players like Messi and Iniesta!! ❤️
Same
I live in Madrid and I’m against Catalonia independence, but anyways I love FC Barcelona, and I think football should not be mixed with politics
People support Barca and Madrid because of players like Messi and Ronaldo. Not because of political reasons.
Shubh Hindustani I support because of Johan Cruyff
this is you indian ho have nothing do with this but in native spain and catalonia it'is this right the politics ho made the rival with this clubs educate yourself and learn history
Not me, I still support the club after Ronaldo. He wasn't even my favorite player.
@@MsAymantube Don't talk in the name of Catalans and the rest of Spaniards. Here football is the main thing, politics are just almost noise around it, usually linked with certain fans, certain hooligan clubs and clubs directives. And is faaar from being black and white. There are lots of Barça supporters in Catalonia and the rest of Spain who don't want independence. Even there are Catalan regionalists/nationalists who don't want it!
And pleeease, stop believing there arr the Catalans, the Basques and then "the Spaniards", as if in the rest of the country we were all bullfighters and Flamenco dancers and madridistas. EVERY REGION HAS ITS OWN FLAG, CULTURE AND LOTS OF THEM HAVE ALSO THEIR OWN LANGUAGES.
Al Jazeera should look inside Qatar's own problems before talking about divide in other countries
Well in this Case CNN and BBC should stop too. You racist shit. Information is open to everybody
Sahi bola!
Racist rat! Lmao
@@hatimtim7629 yep them too
I wish spain would stay as one. From the only asian country with spanish heritage, filipinas🙌🇵🇭 #respeto
We have also similar problems in Turkey and I feel sorry for Turkish and Kurdish people who want to live in peace. I also feel sorry for my Spanish and Catalan friends because they will suffer for the consequences of this conflict in one way or another because always peoples suffer for their leaders' decisions and in the end they get nothing.
array s Calm down, I'm not the one who was/is responsible. Governments don't represent every citizen but the majority of them. What I wanted to say was ethnic problems are mostly the same but how they are solved vary everywhere. These solutions are mostly not so good as extreme nationalist ideas exist in both sides like in Turkey. I hope you are not so naive to think that Kurdish people are pure innocent. Think about it like vicious cycle. Hatred causes hatred. Search about IRA for example. They had the same aim as PKK. They don't represent every Irish as English government doesn't represent every English but in the end each side had casualties for their leaders (even while they didn't choose them).
Title and content doesn't match. where is Real Madrid part? Real madrid have nothing to do with catalan independence. "Barca and Catalan's fight for independence" should be the title
Soccer wtf
It's just like French fries here, are chips over there but do u see anybody complaining😕
Zak Bron you've watched an amazing video that describes the political matter in this sport in Spain, and the only thing you have to say is to correct the name of it? Get your shit together man...
We call it soccer in the USA. While the international use is football or fútbol and here in the US should rather call it hand-egg.
Actually football is technically called association football. Rugby is also actually rugby football. Back in the day, because football could mean either, ppl started calling one assoc and one rugby. In those times it was cool to add “er” to the end of a word, so ppl started calling it rugby and soccer. So really, going back to English roots, it’s called soccer, because football could mean either of the two.
Zak Bron it's "football" not soccer. Learn your shit
so if catalan gets their independence, does that mean no more barca & espanyol in la liga? that'd be sad
5:04 lol my girlfriend at most sports bars that we go to, eating food and asking when we can leave
Where do you learnt Spanish history? At Catalonian nationalist websites?
kgw72 va callate la boca tonto
Next thing AJ will say Columbus and Cervantes were Catalans :)
0:44 show the stadium not her face
Catalonia has a higher GDP than Portugal
I'm from Portugal. That stings bro...
so what do you think you could survive just with your gdo who would defenitely become lower than portugal because companies would leave catalunha and move to spain because there thay have more trade rights with more countries
Woooo! Way to go Catalonia. You're richer than one of the poorest countries in Europe. Alright!
I went to Portugal once. They actually warned us to keep our hands in our pockets to ward off pickpockets and do NOT EVER stop and talk to the locals unless they were running some shop or something. This was in the Algarve, Portugal's biggest tourist site so God knows what the rest of the country is like.
Trouble is....they gave us a very similar warning when we went to Barcelona...
CATALAN. Ancestral pride. 🙏🏼
Everytime I think about football,USA is the last thing to come in mind,I often forgot about them because of football and I am thankful for that
Real Madrid, the 13X Champions League Trophies.
Barcelona, the 5X Champions League Trophies.
When you go a foreign country and you found a liar while walking down the street and ask excuse me can you tell what's happens here? ,The resume of documentary.
I support REAL MADRID but Catalonia should be granted freedom (If Catalans want that)
shahen sheikh
Majority of Catalans don't want independence. Only a few disillusioned ones. They form a LOUD minority.
Matter of fact that land is not theirs non of those lands are theirs it all belongs to the Andalusian people.
football not soccer
Your English is limited,,,,,,,,,,,, She is from America
@@Mohamed-jb9yx even so.. it's still football.
@@OlavoFJV
Football and soccer are the same name. If you don't believe me just google it.
@@Mohamed-jb9yx i'm from south africa...we call football soccer...so i never really understand the problem...
tebogo seilane
IKR they are idiots
"FOOTBALL"
Is not only Spain! everywhere football is not only sport but also politics, ideology, social-class and cities.
How insulting is it for her to say the "real" fans are down there at the Espanol ground 🤨
Genuine question - Why are Barcelona players happy to play and celebrate victories of Spain, when they strive for independence?
Lines are blurry and opportunistic
Not all Barca players are Catalan. La Liga keeps FC Barcelona the footballing giant it is, and La Liga reaps the rewards of them being in the league. In a way, they need each other.
@@Ty-vm9sx I know, but I see Pique celebrating his world cup wins, but then striving for Catalunia to be their own football team?
where is the real madrid part o.O..
Nice all around video, very informative! @AJ+
But small error- The Atletico vs. Barca game that was shown (*Game time 17:14) was NOT Barcelona's first game back in their home Camp Nou since the referendum (letting fans back in their stadium) as the game was held as an away match in Atletico's new stadium, Estadio Wanda Metropolitano in Madrid.
True!
True footballers who really enjoy watching football, HATE that people want to convert the game into political discussion
pd: A lot of regions of Spain have a own language and different cultures, Catalonia is not special whatever they think they are...
Not all Spain is Olé Olé -.-
Why can’t football be like how it was in the old days? Just playing for the joy of football and not for political or financial reasons.
When Spain won the 2010 World Cup there were only four Catalan players, the others were three non-Catalan players who played for Barça and I mention Iniesta and Villa, two fundamental players in achieving that World Cup.
The rest of the players were already mainly from Madrid and other teams.
It's not football,it's la liga
When u had every intention of watching the video until u heard her say soccer
"7 of 11 players were from Barça". 7 of 23
Sergio González she meant starters
Sergio González also all the goals by Spain in the WC were from Barça players (Villa, Iniesta, Puyol)
Also the player that scored the winning goal played for Barca
also three of their most important players and leaders and the captain were from real madrid casillas sergio ramos and xabi alonso
Stivi Bani hey butthurt 😒
Why not show Real Madrid side?
her choice
You only interview people from Barcelona. The title says Barca v R Madrid, why leave out the opinion of the people from Madrid? I know the neuralgic center of this mess is Catalonia, but it affects the rest of the country as well. I think the video is a little biased, and not all Barcelona fans are pro-independence as well as not all of Madrid fans worship the royal family.
I used to like al jazeera, until they used the word soccer instead of football.
DENAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA IS BACKKKKKKKKKKKKK GUYS!! 😍😍😍😍
When has football never been political? The same owners of our beloved football clubs are in and out of politics everyday, lobbying for capital.
A video like this was missing in RUclips thank you for being such a great journalist
Catalonia has NEVER been a country. Catalonia was part of the Aragon's crown. In the war for the Spanish crown Catalonia became a part of France, because Catalonia supported the man who lost that war, so in 1714 the man who won the war, the Spain's king, returned to join Catalonia to Spain.
So much respect to Espanyol
Thats true, the other barcelona team that is really pro spanish
india has 29 states with own language and culture , funny Europeans dont even know unity in diversity,
oggy axom we do know. it's just a few countries that are facing this issue
I was going to watch that game then because of the stupid referendum we couldn’t, we couldn’t even do the stadium tour let alone most of the shops were closed, ARHHHHHHHH, fortunately I got to watch them in Wembley against Spurs!! It was lit!
Barcelona forever...still remember the Ronaldhino days, the most entertaining player ever in my opinion
And I remember How Our Galacticos Conquer Camp Nou
Figo , Ronaldo, Beckham, Carlos ,Raul ,Guti , Casilles
Those Days 😌
@@masfiqratul7559 Wait... are we talking abt the same Galacticos who didn't win a single champions league... congrats on conquering the camp nou 🤣🤣
@@masfiqratul7559 6-2
When did they talk about how people from Madrid feel it was all Barca
wow i just found out that AJ+ is a Al Jazeera plus.Great content channel Al Jazeera.And great host Dena.
Jay Gurung gay
+Izzy is that a question? No buddy i'm not gay,you knocked on the wrong door.You might have to find your kind somewhere else.Good luck.
1:02 Messi in 15 years
That's actually an underrated comment. You deserve a like for this. I'm a big fan of pointing out dopplegangers.
If Catalonia is a country, they will regret being independent. The national team won't be stronger than before. Barcelona team cannot be the national team because of Messi, Suarez and other foreign footballers. They have a very slight chance to win the world cup as a country of independent Catalonia.
Football is not the main concern here my friend. The independence is not decided on whether or not your football team can win the WC.
Lady can you please tell me z 7 barca players out of z 11 u said
Iker casillas r.m
Ramos r.m
Puyol barc
Alba not yet joined barc
Capdevilla
Xavi barc
Senna villareal
Iniesta barc
Villa valencia
Torress liverpool
Alonso madrid
Thank you bt ur info r wrong
Im from malaysia and im a die hard fan of barca..all i hope is let football be football not politics
It's FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!
Syed Abdul Wasay Actually football is technically called association football. Rugby is also actually rugby football. Back in the day, because football could mean either, ppl started calling one assoc and one rugby. In those times it was cool to add “er” to the end of a word, so ppl started calling it rugby and soccer. So really, going back to English roots, it’s called soccer, because football could mean either of the two. Plus, the original way to say it (the name it had when it was invented) is Futbol. It’s either Futbol or soccer, so if u think about it, you’re wrong both ways😂
Anuja Thakare But they changed the named “Soccer” to Football
Anuja Thakare Fútbol is the pronunciation of football. In Spain it is said ‘fútbol’ and the Spaniards we translate it in English as ‘football’ like all of Europe. Fútbol comes from Football. Actually it’s FOOTBALL
Report from somalia 🇸🇴 next.
When you don't know a shit about football and the political situation in Spain but however you decide to make a video about it
Have you seen how tiny Catalunia actually is!?
I mean if it were to become a country, it would be next to Andorra 😂
Nice vid. Thanks!
Okay
I am a Messi fan
I just watch Barcelona matches for him
Didn't knew about all of this
Hmm.....
This thing is way more serious than I thought it would be
My opinion - I don't know whether club should take part in politics or not, I really don't know.All I Know is that these things are happening and are just happening.There's no right or wrong here.
SHUT UP IMBECILE !!
Adarsh Hota just shut up
Thank you America for never being into soccer. We don’t need politics in our sports.
Welcome to modern USA (not America which is a continent) where activists are taking a knee during the anthem and sports teams are pushing political agendas
Aj : in spain soccer...
ight imma head out
What do Messi, Suarez and CR7 for that matter think about an independent Catalan state ?
where is Madrid in your video...
There is no political divide between Barca and Madrid fans outside Spain
Wtf did you not show it from the Madrid side as well
Good video! Thanks from Catalonia.
Dena Takruri, please do not forget about Barça fans who also love Spain. We enjoy watching amazing football and love our country. The problem I see with your coverage is that it seems that all Barça fans are separatists, which is very much not the case.
Erik and Angel didn't vote in the referendum not because they FELT it was illegitimate, but because it WAS illegitimate. It is important to recognize the difference.
1:02 The man on the left looks like older Messi. I AM SHOOKED
Yes he does.
Gary neville
Can anyone tell me the name of the music at the starting its really cool !
Never knew El Classico had a Catalonian political edge. God I love learning things
It has a political edge for Barsa, for Real Madrid is just a football game.
Barca should be a shame, el clasico is not about football rivalry but politics, Barca still living in the past and never change their idealogy. i'm Atletico Madrid fan, i hate Real Madrid as a football rivalry not political and Real Madrid does not represent Franco regime club anymore, it's now super elite football club of the world and i give respect for Real for not bringing politics in football. Barca proved themselves that they don't hate Real Madrid, that means el clasico is just politics and not really a football rivalry like Madrid derby, Superclásico of Argentina or Derby della Capitale.
She showed just one part of the story. She is biased
Like I was saying nothing about real madrid
Spain should use force on catalonia, to show them that spain owns them and who's boss, no independence, Long Live Spain
Dont worry they are losing against Madrid in economics terms it is way much better this way.
If pique is so much Catalan then why don't he retire fron spain national team. Its disgraceful for Catalonia that their player plays for spanish just to win trophy for own sake. Pique if u have guts then retire from Spain. Stop acting through words and Twitter. Do some real shit bro. Grow up .
If all barca players had "Guts" and werent seeking trophies then you do realize the Spanish national team would be shit
stay punny The problem is not if someone is "so Catalan" the problem is if someone is "so indepentist". Spainiards aren't against Catalans as a whole, they are against independetist Catalans. Being independetist does not make you more Catalan than being against and identifying as Spanish too. You can be both spanish and catalan at once. Most people in Catalonia independetist or not identify as catalan just like most Scottish unionists identify as Scottish more than just british. Piquet is a hypocrate just there for the money, he is constantly prounoncing himself in favour of the independetist but his argument is that he has so far not directly endorsed the idea of secession. He is using their arguments and rhetoric and then he's like nah as long as I haven't come out saying I'M AN INDEPENDETIST you can't know for sure.
It's the same in Scotland with Rangers vs Celtic
I am a Barca fan, I feel the club should be less political. Barca is a sports club and not a political party. We have many fans all around the world who are misled.
I suggest you to ready or look for the Barca history will have a better understanding of it. Barca has been created to be political also Madrid.
Benedito Manhique I have read extensively into Barca history. Futbol Club Barcelona lie about a lot of things. The club was created as a football club. The rivalry with Madrid is only political because they are mis-characterized as Franco's team, they were never his team. Plus, Franco died 40 years ago, Catalonia is a thriving province, the club wins things left right and centre and still acts like a victim. More than a club is an outdated concept to me, Barca has lost all that made it more than a club to compete, which is the right thing. That's why I feel the idea of being Political is outdated, as a sports team or a football club you have the responsibility to know that taking a political stance will piss off the fans who pay your bills hence a club should be less political.
Timi Adeyemi THEN YOURE PART OF THEN PROBLEM NO OFFENSE BUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE IGNORANT AND THE REASON SHIT LIKE THAT WONT CHANG BECUASE YALL CHOOSE TOO IGNORE IT, BARCA IS CATAUNYA, ITS IN OFC ITS PART OF THEM, THEY NEED TO BE FREED !!!! SO STOP BEING IGNORANT !!!!!
Catalunya is Spain, they are not being oppressed. Espanyol is a Catalan club, they are apolitical. Barca is probably the only team in Spain that's expressly political and it's disgusting because they mislead people like you by thinking there is only one way. Personally, I am in two minds about Catalonia splitting. I love Spain and I love Barca, it will be a shame to see Spain ripped apart for selfish reasons.
Timi Adeyemi Barça will always be 'Mes Que Un Club', regardless of how and where you look at it. To state that their motto is outdated is to simply brush aside the history FC Barcelona has had with the government of Madrid and their unfortunate involvement during the regime of Francisco Franco. FC Barcelona had to endure the death of their president at the hands of Franco troops, Josep Sunyol on August of 1936. FC Barcelona had to change the clubs name from Catalan to Castilian, they lost a questionable second leg match with Madrid 11-1 after convincingly winning the first leg 3-0. All these events that transpired with FC Barcelona during Francos Regime can't simply be brushed aside. To state that this concept of 'Mes Que Un Club' is outdated is ignorant, at best. You state that you have read various books of the history of the club and yet you don't seem to understand that now, more than ever, FC Barcelona is mes que un club. During the referendum in Oct 1 FC Barcelona had no choice but to play the match against Las Palmas, even after they fought to postpone the game. FC Barcelona had a 7 point lead over their rivals Real Madrid, but the RFEF didn't allow the game to be changed and FC Barcelona would had lost 6 points instead of 3. 6 points. They decided to play closed doors, no fans, for security reasons and send a message to the world. And indeed that game will be in the history books, This is Mes Que Un Club.
what is the point behind this coverage ? because u just love to visit tourist countries in the name of reporting ..
Many people commenting have no idea about football. They don't know that rivalries are a part of football.
Many people also don't know that football is one of illuminati agenda. So yeah, football and politic are related.
Shame on Barca! It’s a sports club not political party!
its not soccer, its football
lol i‘m barca fan and hate the independence idea
Barcelona shouldn't want independence because the Catalonian league would get alot less money
Right. Football, or any sport, should not be politicized. Espanyol is a very good example for thst matter, and Real Madrid fans always applaud Barca players.
And what's up with Franco despising Barça? Did you even know he saved the club by cancelling the huge debt they acquired after building their Camp Nou stadium? Hadn't been for his action, Barça would've gone into bunkruptcy in the 60s.
all those were lies
zakaria djouzi no they arent
To anyone with a problem with the American term Soccer. Go make your own media and your own version of RUclips. Don’t tell us what to say!
Didn't know about this.. Thankyou ♥️🙌
Why this wrong music?.
Respect to Espanyol and their fans . Leave that politics shit in your living room .
This video is simply so biased. Only looking at one side's point of view
Good explanation dena.the political backdrop makes RM vs barca different than english premier league derbies.
SOOO the last thing, the title is Barca vs Real Madrid and you only talk about Barcelona... These report is SOO BADD
I don't find anything new throughout the report. Everything showed in the report known to all from a long time ago.
What about Espanyol fans? Are they for independence as well?
Cant wait for 23 December
Why do people care so much either it's call football or soccer. It's not even that big of a deal.
now more americans know what is the difference between Real and Barca
Not soccer! It's football!