LAW & GRACE DEBATE | GOCC vs JJM
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Do we as Christians still keep the law of Moses if we are under grace ?
In this video, GOCC hosts Just Jesus Ministry in one of the most controversial subjects commonly debated between law observers and Christians. Be sure to watch it all to be educated and may the Lord Jesus Christ help you to understand the difference between law or grace. God bless you in Jesus Name Amen.
It is hypocritical to say you don't have to keep The Most High God's laws then open up a debate event with rules and laws for the debate and if you don't follow them you will be warned and you agree to it. You better stop playing and keep the laws of the Most High
Same thing that ran through my mind his own words bare witness against him
Who is that?
Asaph Ben Israel you are right you are right you cannot play with the laws of the Most High and since you cannot play with them the truth is anybody who tries to keep the Law will die and be punished because every human being will! be found a transgressor of the Most High’s law
G-d does not even consider your attempts he shuns a lifetime of Good deeds because it is speckled with malice, division, hate, greed, and lust. Real Hypocrisy is when you command others to keep a law when you yourself are a transgressor of the Most high’s laws are you not? Friend I do not mean to criticize you but you will! be found a sinner if you don’t put your faith in Yeshua of Nazareth(Jesus) the one who justifies freely those who put their faith in him
Romans 4:5
But to him (us) who does not work but believes on Him(the Most High)who justifies the ungodly, his (our) faith is accounted for righteousness
John 6:28,29
Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God
Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
Mathew 16:25
For whoever wants to save their life (work through the law) will lose it, but whoever loses their life (surrenders their life to Yeshua) for me will find it.
abcdefg is a devil
abcdefg i said what I said. Devil means to deceive. You’re attempting to deceive people by convincing them they don’t have to follow the law. Devil
You posting multiply scriptures (that you clearly have no understanding of) doesn’t change the fact.
Double honors to the elder. Qam Yasharahla
John 5:46-47 King James Version (KJV)
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Matthew 5:20 Christ said Anyone who says the law is done away with shall be called LEAST in the kingdom. Boom. Goodnight elder Gaja bless up
Wake up true Israel 🙌🙌🙌🤲🤲🤲
@ABCDEFG Right. The law still stands and breaking it still requires a sacrifice of blood. Thankfully Christ became our eternal sacrifice but in willful sin there is no sacrifice. IE. OT stoned to death...ie NT depart from me you workers of iniquity .....cast into outer darkness and gnashing of teeth.
The law still stands. We establish the the law. Because the judgement of the law is still to come on Judgement Day. When Heaven and Earth still exist.
@Timothy Coll what are His commandments?
@Timothy Coll Do you know all the laws Christ commanded. And if you break those, adultery in your mind, murder in your heart as two examples of many, including if you think something you do is wrong and you do it anyway, it is sin unto you! So then what then when you break those laws? Do you think the Most High is a God that He should be mocked. The New Testament never said the old Testament is done away with or to throw God's laws away because Moses led the people out of Egypt. The laws are the Most High's laws not Moses'. You do err not knowing the scriptures. If you knew the schoolmaster, you would know Christ. Your teaching that the law is done away with is not only unsupported by scriptures but down right blasphemous and will lead anyone that listens straight to Hell. Christ is coming back for a church without spot or wrinkle. The first chapters of Revelations make us keenly aware of the stumbling blocks the believers will be having in these last days and based on what you say I know where Satan's seat is in your church. Teaching vain philosophies that tickle men's ears so they continue in sin never becoming clean or aware of the magnitude of their sin and shame. Wallowing in filth daily and never repenting or coming to the knowledge of the Most High. 1 John 5:3. Sin is the transgression of the law. There is only one law! Christ did not bring a new law just a deeper understanding and Christ's own words say not one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law until all be fulfilled. "All" means all and is referring to the law and the prophets. All is not fulfilled we are still living out prophecy to this day and Christ has not yet returned. This is not complicated to get so we all have to let go of doctrines of men just read the Word and stop trying to find something to justify your own sins.
@Timothy Coll who is hardly any of you Christians? Please expound. I certainly believe in Christ as my Lord and Savior and there is no way to the Father but by Him. No thieves or robbers in my house as we aren't looking for any back door.
If the law is done away with, and we dont have to keep the laws, then Why do we have Grace and have to repent for our sins in Christ name... if there is not laws then there is no sin to repent for ....
Elder was excellent.
Yeah, so good that the moderator who was a GOCC member came out of that cult because of this. All praise to Jesus Christ
This man is taught by Jesuits and he is well trained to deceive.. he is good at what he does
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Being “under the law” and “keeping the law” are two different things. Being under the Law is to receive the judgement prescribed in the Law for each transgression of the Law. We understand that that Christ took that judgment for us giving us grace that we may repent and correct ourselves. If we continue to transgress the Law on purpose we are not correcting ourselves. The Most High would not send His Son to establish a church that rejects the heritage He gave to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and now embraces the worships of the pagan world. “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” ~Revelation 14:12
Why didn't the church teach the commandments of moses as equal to grace in Christ? Because the law doesn't save and grace in Christ does.
Under the new covenant, moral laws remain but ceremonial, Hebrew laws (which were between God and the hebrews) were done away with. The church didn't want to force all the ceremonial laws on gentiles, why? Because it isn't the external things (laws) we do or don't do that alienate us from God. It is our heart condition and fallen nature that need redeeming and saving. That is why Christ came. But these Hebrew Israelite churches brought the law back in after the the church stopped requiring it back in the first century. Read church history. Learn what happened, why the church didn't push hebrew laws on gentiles.
Yashaya My Savior Well spoken Ach!!! “Under the law being, the hand written ordinances of Moses found in Col 2:14... The remainder of the law still stands and that grace is ONLY given until judgement day where the most high will look at all your works to determine if you truly have a retentive heart or abusive the postponed judgement! Shabbat Shalom!
@@prayunceasingly2029 do the reverse does doing things in the law kill us? Even if we are not sure in understanding, what's the reverse
Yashaya My Savior Well put brother
@abcdefg can you show me where Christ came to do his own will and not the will of His Father who sent him????when did Christ make His own laws??? He showed the people by fulfilling the laws how they should of been from the start but he never made his own?....so if you don't rape in the US you can Rape in another country? If you don't steal in the US you can Steal in another country?
Well explained GOCC Those who have spiritual eyes to see and ears to hear,
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Precept upon precept line upon line here a little there a little, plus the Bible scriptures have to be rightfully divided. Good job GOCC
I Really Enjoyed Elder Gaja!!!.. Really Edifying!
It is clearly misunderstood of "What law was done away " No Christian church is giving the full explanation that the sacrificial laws and all its ordinances were fulfilled thru Christ. Ahayah did not tell Yashaya to go die for his stiff neck people so they can live as they want and not follow His instructions of life, which is His righteousness. Christ came to delay (GRACE) the judgements that were set against us for breaking the
Instructions. But Roman's 6:23 is still in play. The wages of sin is death but the gift (Grace) of Ahayah is eternal life. I prefer to stand on Ecclesiastes 12:13-14. So I can be counted with members of Revelations 14:12. Let us all do so....
He did tell him to go die for a ppl who God already knew were stiff neck.So I dont know what you mean by that.Even Jesus told the dicisiples ,"who so ever will"! We are living under grace if you follow the Bible.The people who are wondering in the wilderness were ALWAYS delt in with grace! The penalties that were taken away for violating laws was judgement!
Can you give a scripture that says Christ came to "delay" judgment? Judgment will even come to Christians after death, but they'll be judged on Christ's merits instead of their own if they are actually in Christ.
Christ came to save sinners from their rebellion against him. If we read the sermon on the mount, those things like loving enemies and blessing those that curse us is a higher standard than the law, which are only enabled by God's grace working in a person's heart. Naturally we hate our enemies, and we naturally want to curse those who curse us. And we naturally sin in our hearts against God before outward works of the law even become an issue. We need saving from our own natures. Grace isn't just some delaying of judgment, grace in Christ is God's loving salvation given in Christ.
@@prayunceasingly2029 what then do you ...If your child steals and steals...should you say i have grace on him and let him steal again and again, or correct him and say Stop Stealing...and he stops stealing...will you be proud of him..tell the neighbours God is good he stopped stealing. Thou shalt not steal...thats how he new it was wrong he had knowledge of the law dont stteal, he is now convicted in his heart its wrong to steal, hence from grace he keeps the law, by not stealing. This is the message of the gospel
@@johnp3081 i might be preaching to the choir with this idea, but grace isn't the same thing as keeping the law. I agree, if you mean that grace helps change people to keep the law. Because being capable of living a righteous life in God's eyes is part of what grace means. I think that is part of the struggle of the Christian life, but i also think God is the one enabling the person to be victorious in the struggle.
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The gospel is actually about what Christ did, not what we do. The only part Christians have in the gospel is believing it , and preaching it. The gospel is literally the perfect life, sacrificial death, miraculous resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ. Do we take that gospel as our example, definitely. But it's Christ's life first and foremost. I think the gospel means "the good news of victory", "good news" or something like that. The good news is Him. The good news is the grace given in Him, to fulfill in us (salvation and righteousness in us) what we are unable to fulfill on our own. By ourselves, we cannot fulfill the law, that is why we need grace. Because we cannot save ourselves.
Simple. The word was made flesh and said no man come to the father but through me, if you want external life keep the commandments, if you love me keep my commandments...where's the confusion?
Roman's 4,5
But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness
Galations 2,16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
@@MrBazinthenow the works of the law was the sacrificial offerings for sin.
@@hectorsantiago3 so you believe that those that opposed Paul believed that they could attain righteousness by following the 613 laws ?
By "the works of the law" are meant, not only obedience to the ceremonial law, though this is included, but also to the moral law
@@hectorsantiago3 it can hardly be thought, that the men the apostle opposes could ever dream of justification by their compliance with the rituals of the ceremonial law if they believed there could be no justification by their obedience to the moral law; for if there is no justification by the latter, there can be none by the former: the words are therefore to be taken in the largest sense, as rejecting all works of the law, of whatsoever kind, from justification in the sight of God; and such works are designed, as are performed by sinful men in and of themselves, otherwise men are justified by the works of the law as performed by Christ in their room and stead, but not by any as performed by themselves, for at best they are very imperfect, and so cannot justify; they are opposed to the grace of God, to which the justification of a sinner is always ascribed, and therefore cannot be by works; such a scheme would disannul the death of Christ, and promote boasting in men, and indeed is impracticable and impossible:
@@MrBazinthenow Matthew 5:19.
Great job Elder!!!
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Just wanted to say All praises to the Most High God Ahayah Asher Ahayah in the name of Christ Yashaya!!! And to say every word of ( I Am ) is good the Law's and his Grace. Glory to Ahayah and His Son ( My SAVIOUR )!
WE HAVE LAWS IN SCHOOL,
LAWS IN OUR HOMES,
LAWS AT WORK,
LAWS AT RESTAURANTS, BARS, AND 7/11,
LAWS AT THE BASEBALL GAME
BUT,
THEY WANT US TO BELIEVE THAT GOD HIMSELF (IN THE OLD TESTAMENT) GAVE AND KEPT (IN THE NEW TESTAMENT) THE LAWS (WHEN HE CAME IN THE FLESH AS CHRIST) BUT, THEY ARE NOW DONE AWAY WITH BECAUSE OF GRACE???
GRACE BY DEFINITION IS FINITE. THEREFORE, IT EXPIRES OR, OFTEN HAS A KNOWN END. IF I DO NOT PAY MY CREDIT CARD WITHIN MY GRACE PERIOD, A PENALTY IS APPLIED. SAME THING IN THE WORD, GRACE DOES HAVE AN ENDING.
*STOP COMPLICATING SOMETHING THAT WAS INTENDED TO BE SIMPLISTIC. MAN WILL FIND ANYTHING TO JUSTIFY HIS CARNAL DESIRES/LIFESTYLE.
@abcdefg Satan has no law.. the teaching of no law comes from the mouth of the lawlessness one.. namely SATAN.. who ever follows that will be condemned even as he is already condemned.
My brother satan can't repent he is set in his ways he can't change.. no matter what we say they won't change .. its sad but we have to just try our best to help ourselves in and leave satan with his children who have chosen him and his ways.
@abcdefg i am a jew therefore I keep the law.. the law is for me
@abcdefg two plans of salvation by one God?? What a delusion? A visitor at your gates has to keep sabbath, your worker who was not a Jew...God instructed it. The Gentiles became partakers of the root! “And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree,”
- Rom 11:17 (NKJV)
Same root....same plan.....same God. Jesus = God Almighty same story.one cant say keep my commandments, the other say no. God said keep my commandments, john 14vJesus said keep my commandments. Holy spirit of God created all things. Jesus created all things. Same God, same plan, same judgement according to the commandments. On that day the books are open and John sees the tabernacle which has the commandments in it! Read revelation slowly.
@abcdefg 40 years of misunderstanding....how long is the pope around? Very long they still don't know God. Its not when you came....its if you walked in Him and have obtained the good understanding.
“and He has filled him with the Spirit of God, in wisdom and understanding, in knowledge and all manner of workmanship,”
- Exo 35:31 (NKJV)
Its the fear of the LORD: NOT 40 years of theology....
“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; A GOOD understanding have all those who DO His commandments. His praise endures forever.”
- Ps 111:10 (NKJV)
COMMANDMENT keepers keep God, non keepers have rejected God and went after the vanity of their minds.
Eph 4 (NKJV)
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¹⁷ This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should NO longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles WALK, in the futility of their mind,
¹⁸ having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the IGNORANCE that is in them, because of the blindness of their HEART;
THE LAW OF GOD IS IN THE HEART......you should go after it.
Loved the debate and credit to GOCC. All praise goes to THE MOST HIGH 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
Grace teaches us to deny ungodliness.... To live godly...
Larnette Walker no fear of God Does, the beginning of wisdom is fear of the Most High.. Christians are drunken, but not with wine.. as the Bible prophesied,
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Bro the moderators were biased as all get out.. shoutout to elder for being level headed bro! I’m saying he was pulling that pastor out the fire everytime!!
The pastor made every single excuse to allow sin. He did not prove any of his points on grace. The elder proved 100 percent all his points on keeping torah and grace.
truthinChrist but who can keep the Torah who was ever made right with God through the Torah
There's always gonna be that rift because the Bible is a ball o confusion
@@sifulo9161 Are you a teacher?
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Exactly,
There are 613 laws addressed by the Torah, one would have to be "perfect" to keep Them. Hmm...,
The name Jesus Christ rings a bell.
Laoshi J the and that’s the point you are not the messiah only he can keep the law and because of he is the perfect substitute to take our place
Well since our sins have been put on him all of them from the moment we were born to the moment we die all the sins God foreknew he placed on Jesus Christ and he placed Christ’s righteousness on us who believe in him. Who can condemn us, who can bring any accusations against those who God has justified
If it wasn’t your obedience the made you righteous with God but your faith how can your disobedience make you unrighteous. It’s only your lack of faith in the finished work of Christ that can make you unjustified before God
Long story short just obey
Bring it on Elder the Most High is With you thank you for bringing Truth to those who don’t understand it hope they learn from this debate 🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿♥️🤲🤲👐👐
So Many People Are Keeping America Laws Effortlessly But Complaining About Keeping YAH Laws & Order👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
I'm still trying to figure out how you rebuttal a "Commandment"??
EXACTLY!😄😄😄
@abcdefg 🤯🤯🤯
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@@BrightlikeLight you put all that and still can't understand. No eyes to see and ears to hear.
@abcdefg all that put up, and still no eyes to see or ears to hear?
How do you claim the law and grace is separate when grace is given because of the law and because a judgement day BASED ON THE SAME LAWS is still coming. Otherwise what are you given grace from!!?
Rev 22:14, Rev 12:17, Rev 14:12... 🤦🏽♂️
Jesus said if we love him we should keep the commandments (John 14 15)
It doesn’t say keep (the commandments) but to keep (My commandments) and it’s important to read that scripture in context above and after that
““If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.”
John 14:15
@@jeremiahbooth1980 buddy you pretty much saying the same thing but in a different translation 👍
Great job Elder.....People want to be law less....do as they wilt save by grace....
Well there was law before and after Moses. Not doing the law of Moses doesn't mean be lawless it means you're not under that Covenant of death.
This brother Gabriel seems to not understand any of the scriptures he brought forth. These theologian seminary colleges got alot of blood on their hands.
Did Paul and the early church also have blood on their hands when they stopped teaching the law to gentile converts?
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Nice comeback. I noticed your commemt was evaded. It is typical cult behavior to evade biblical questions that don't fit their agenda.
@@prayunceasingly2029 what are u talking about stop teaching the gentiles he did teach them along with Cornelius so what are you talking about
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You don't know church history at all when you say the church taught the Hebrew law to the gentiles and gentile churches.
@@prayunceasingly2029 1 corinthians 5:11
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
Here paul is saying that if there is such a person in the church don't even sit and eat with them....are these not laws? Does the law not state to not fornicate or be covetous?
1 corinthains 14:34
Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.
They hate hearing the Bible speak! My gosh I was getting frustrated. Let it speak.
The Strength of sin is the law he says.The more you know the law and go against it, the stronger you will feel the sin. Going against the law is sin. There for keep the law and your spirit will be in harmony with what is righteous. The Strength of sin is the law
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The pastor cut himself in the very intro, when he said grace isn't a license to sin.. my response would be.. Why not.. we not under the letter of the law now.. and its not based on our works... and according to u.. salvation is just believing in christ ?
Awaken truth
“And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.”
Romans 14:23 KJV
Anything outside of faith is sin
By grace through faith we receive salvation also refer to Romans 10:10 & Ephesians 2:8
“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.”
James 2:17 KJV
Faith isn’t just believing, but showing you believe.
@@tauirangi2020 But if there is no LAW.. how can one show he has Faith, that is my point.. he said in the beginning - PASTOR GABRIEL says - GRACE ISN'T A LICENSE TO SIN ? -
Let me ask you - Can two gay men who are married and believe in Jesus Christ enter the Kingdom of God - there is no law in the N.T but in the OLD TESTAMENT - there is a law that say a man can not sleep with another man - or woman with woman... so is it ok now in this time frame.. since the law is done away with... for a man to sleep with another man or woman with another woman ?
@@awakentruth3360 the law is written on our hearts, Romans chapter 1 actually talks explicitly about this very problem.
@@tauirangi2020 lol how is the law written in your heart.. so you can quote 613 laws without reading a book or all the laws Christ said lol... that is a kingdom prophesy not for now... if the law was already written in our heart, we wouldn't need a teacher that study's the bible to teach us ? ... So in stating that, if we have a teacher such as a pastor, that means the law aint written in your hearts.. as i said this is a kingdom prophesy where no sin will enter in it....
@@tauirangi2020 and when you quoted Romans do u know it is actually written in Jeremiah that it would be written in our hearts lol
I had to watch this a few times - I just wasn't getting it. Now I think I got it - JJM confuses the "works", of the Law with the "works", included in our daily walk in Christ. The "works", of the Law is when the Israelites raised fowl or cattle for the purpose of some day taking that animal to the priest to be made a sacrifice for the Israelite that brought the animal to the priest so that they could get forgiveness for their sin(s). The act or process that the priest went through to sacrifice that animal on the sinner's behalf was also the "works", of the Law. Through the "works", of the Law the Israelites were not made whole because they would go and sin again. These sacrifices or "works', in the Law could not save the Israelite. Therefore, the MOST HIGH through Christ did away with this process or "works", of the Law. Those who believe this and accept the Messiah are justified by their faith in their belief in the Messiah and the reason that He came. As for Israelites that believe on Christ that were once justified by their sacrifices or "works", in the Law they are now made free from the Law of the judgment for breaking the Laws which was death. Hence believing on Christ made the Israelite free from the penalty of death that came with the breaking of their laws. Israelites as well as all believers must keep the Laws of GOD ALMIGHTY. But, if they fail to do so or make a mistake they don't have to worry about being killed for doing so because they are under grace from the penalty of death for breaking GODS Laws. However, just because you have grace does not mean that you sin willfully or continually. Keeping the Laws is a learning process and it is how you show the MOST HIGH that you love HIM. Some call the keeping of the Law the "works", of the law too but scriptures tell us that HIS laws are not grievous. Pastor Gabriel wants everyone to believe that by teaching the gospel, laying hands on the sick, giving to the poor and so on is the "works", one must do in order to get to heaven and this is somewhat true too. The problem with this is those types of "works", require certain gifts of the spirit that not everybody has. Bottom line Rev. 12:17, Eccl. 12:13 and 1 John 5:3 says it all...
And you shall love the Lord your Godwith all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these.”
So if you break this just once your lost ?
MrBazinthenow in essence somewhat it is because if you love your neighbor would you kill him? Lie on him? Steal from him? The reason its so great is because love already keeps you from committing sins against a brother/sister. Same thing with The Most High if you love him you would be striving to perfection with every breath and everyday he blesses you with. But a just man falls 7 times so thats why its a marathon and not a sprint, its a path of learning and bettering oneself with help from Christ following him in every step
@@loptilop3 Well that sounds noble , but the focus is still on you and your stuff , leading to failure/ fruit inspecting and eventually despair and frustration with constant introspection and self examination. The bible says however that we all fall short of the Glory of God this is still true of the believer . So next time you put on your best shirt and tie and keep up church attendances, tithe, treat your family, wife and co workers as best you can on your finest day you will still fall short of the glory of God . The bible tells us to focus on Christ and not our own righteousness and works as noble as they are will never earn or keep / merit salvation which Jesus took complete care of . Ask yourself who are you placing your trust in , Jesus or yourself ?
@MrBazinthenow, when did the Elder say that works alone gets you into the kingdom. When did he say we don't need or trust in Christ? So what is your point? What then did he say. As it is written, to love The Most High God is to keep His Commandments. This is a commandment given by Christ and defined by His disciples. So where then is the confusion? Follow Christ in His example, in His words, in His instruction, and in His path to salvation of which includes the keeping of the law as He Himself did and as He Himself said is not destroyed.
So before Christ came what was that justification of the law
J.j.m you have been schooled!
I'm glad that I watched this debate. I must write and testify unto the truth of the gospel. So that Ye might know the truth.
Proverbs 28:9 KJV - He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
1:22 in......I hear grace grace grace from what
The Law....if there is no Law why do you need grace. JJM your heart is in the right place,but scriptually you are off.
Faith without works is dead. We are to have faith in TMH word and follow his son. Who happen to enter the temple on the sabbath. The sabbath is about not working. Turning on the light is not working. And if you thought that fire could not be used to keep warm you miss the point. We all can learn from each other. This was a good debate. Yet we are to learn from each other grow as body.
Peace be both sides. No winners just truth from the word...Amen
We're not under grace. The only law Jesus died to replace was the law of animal sacrifice. He became the sacrifice so it was no longer necessary to sacrifice animals for sin which couldn't make you perfect anyway. Out of Jesus's own lips does he tell us to keep the commandments. If you want salvation keep the commandments along with the Holy Days and dietary laws laid out in Leviticus by the Lord
Law by Moses
Grace & Truth by Yasha
Psa 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of Ah’Hayah , and the faith of Yashaya.
Deng, It was a quick suicide from the jump. The Pastor brought out every scripture that has the sharpest blades and sliced himself out of ignorance. #internalBleeding
The Pastor of the just jesus ministries totally butchered, and i mean BUTCHERED Christ's words in this debate, i suggest he come out of the seminary schools doctrine and be taught again. the elders from Gocc were on point and truthful in their break downs and precepts.
I was amazed at how he calls up scripture from his head. WOW!!
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Christ came to fulfill the law under a new covenant
It hurts to see people so IGNORANT to the WORD of AHAYAH and try to teach it.
So for all those who believe that the law is done away with, explain to me why in Isaiah 66 God consumes with fire people who eat swine's flesh an unclean animal that Christ himself casted demons into and all other abominations??? For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord .
Isaiah 66:15-17 🧐🤔
Y'all people saying we don't need to keep it anymore are the same one's going to church tithing your 10% that was a Levitical law.
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By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? If covered by grace. The fruit one bears should make no difference?
We are no longer bound by the LAW this is made clear I'm Hebrews 10: 28-29 when it is refered to In the past tense! And many other chapters, But this doesn't give us the right to do whatever we want! We are to walk as Christ did and truly love others! He sets our example and if you truly have his spirit it will lead you away from sin! I would also like to note that walking as Christ doesn't mean that you are supposed to force miracles! And have your buddy play dead so you can raise him Infront of people! Signs and wonders were only given for reasons of revelation and they will not return until new revelation is given. We are not to force things and fake things that are not of the spirit! God bless! Praise Christ!
Some body just stole my kids bikes, I hate that. But it's cool, I'll see them in heaven because they do believe in Christ. They'll be chilling with the hoodlums that killed my cousins and niece. I'll see them all in heaven because they were all Christians. It's a shame , I wish there was a LAW they followed so I wouldn't have to wait until death to see them
The first guy said we’re no longer under the law, then later said we must follow the law. Confusing. Faith has nothing to do with grace or law.
Eazy Tep Yes because “Under the law” refers to the penalty portion of the law... (The hand written ordinances of Moses nailed to the cross with Christ). Before Christ you were expected to keep the law AND separately, you were bound under the penalty of the law or “under the law”. NOW we keep the law but we are not under the penalty (Grace period until judgement day). Otherwise, all the other scriptures elder presented would contradict themselves which God and the word of God does NOT ...
I have FAITH that if I break the LAW by robbing a bank, that my GRACE period in escaping immediate capture is less than 5 minutes. Once that grace period expires, I will likely be arrested if not shot and even killed.....if i make it out alive, JUDGMENT will ultimately occur.
STOP COMPLICATING THE SIMPLICITY OF GOD'S WORD.
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Any confusion or misunderstandings I have I just do it to be safe. I heard a time or 2 that chicken wasn't clean so not only did I put down pork I put down all meat just to be safe. Rather be safe then sorry.
@Anthony Bush if ta man thinking in his heart so is he. If you think it sin to eat meat then do not eat it. For you have made it a sin unto yourself. However the scriptures are clear that meat can be eaten if it is clean and we gives thanks and praise to the Father to receive it. Do not confuse righteousness with fear and superstition. Do not confuse the evil being done to food with what is righteous and what isn't. The Bible is clear quail was given to the Israelites. Quail and chicken are the same kind of birds known as fowl.
@@missjudah2737 that's not true I raised quail and they won't eat there own excrement, not only that but chicken is so easy to come by. Have you ever considered that? Not just but there are good fowl and bad one's. Look up the chicken and it's a jungle foul most known from Asia and it cleans the forest just as the pig does quail don't have that background.
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i wanna see GOCC DEBATE other camps on the topic can non israelites inherit salvation .. Who can receive salvation into the kingdom of heaven.
I don't think he should go around debating with them cause they all agree not to keep the law
Why do you need permission to get salvation? To enter into heaven? You need permission from some one you never seen and heard?
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It's because humanity is fallen and in sin. And we are in need of God's deliverance and salvation from our rebellion against him.
Why would you need to debate that? Ofcourse they can christ clearly says it paul says it and tmh says he will take a remnant from among the gentiles for his name sake
The fruits of the spirit against such there is no law because if we have the fruits of the spirit what else need we do? We shouldn't labour in vain word says and also says to test and try the spirit to see if it be from god
After you receive the truth of God and Christ it’s hard to listen to those who lie and are disingenuous and time is running out
BRING IT OUT! PTMH
Hebrews 10:26
“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.”
◄ 1 Corinthians 11:4 ►Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. Just 3 minutes in I spot this.
The crown of his head is not covered. He is wearing a mitre, a priestly garment mentioned in the OT.
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Kan kan kan kan kan elder gaja!!!! Kan kan
Without grace you couldnt do it. With grace you can do it. You can keep the commandments of God with Grace. And the Holy Spirit has perfected forever them that are sanctified.
Where in scripture does it say that grace came to empower us to keep the law ?
By no means am I saying we shall continue in our sin
You need to first understand what is meant by "under grace" vs "under law"
The famous verse about this is Romans 6:14. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
The context of this verse is dominion of sin over a person. The issue is that people do not understand what True Grace is.
In Luke 2:40, we see that "...the grace of God was upon him [Jesus]". Why did Jesus have grace upon him? Was he not under the law?
In Galatians we see this: But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
How does this work? Jesus had the grace of God upon him, yet he was also under the law?
Jesus was not a sinner. Grace is not mercy or favor for sinners. Grace is something different. The true grace of God is the divine influence of God in the person to enable them to perform that which they are called to do.
When we examine these verses we see yet another important aspect of this concept:
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
2 Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
1 Pet 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
As you can see from the verses above, the law could not give life. That is what we needed. To be quickened and born from above. Notice, that we were dead in sin, but by grace we were given life. Grace is not a concept of overlooking sin, but rather a divine influence upon the heart of mankind to enable them to walk in holiness and serve God. This TRUE Grace of God gives life to a dead sinner.
Notice this verse in Romans. We see that sin reigned unto death, but through Jesus Christ grace can reign in our life?
Rom 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Back to our verse in Romans 6:14. The context is about sin having dominion over the person, rather than obeying the law of God. The surrounding verses give us more understanding as well.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Grace is not mercy or even overlooking things when you mess up and sin. Grace is the divine influence of God to enable you to be obedient unto righteousness. The phrases "under the law" vs "under grace" is showing us that we are under the divine influence and power of the Holy Spirit (the promise) to obey God.
Consider what Peter and James wrote about grace:
James 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
1 Peter 5:5 ..all of you ... be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
If grace is simply the favor of God on poor sinners, then why do we need more? Additionally, how do you excel/abound in grace?
2 For 8:7 Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also.
We also see that the measure of grace given may differ:
Rom 12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
As you can see, the True grace of God is the enablement to serve God in righteousness.
Sin is transgression of the law of God. Therefore, true grace enables one to obey God's law.
The false grace church teaches that grace does away with God's laws.
That makes sense. It, fits within the definition of the Strong's word for grace g5485 as well; "......gift, Divine influence upon the heart.......". Nice inspirational comment, and piece of the puzzle Matthew.
grace is only given to those that keep the law... coz if you die and you in sin.. you dead buddy, even if you believe in Christ... Christ can not help you if you haven't repent and keep the commandments ...
FAITH alone is DEAD...
WORK alone is DEAD....
FAITH AND WORKS ... will ensure LIFE...
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Epheaians 2:8,9
For my grace are you saved through faith and that not of yourselves. It is a gift of God not of works lest any man should boast.
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Credit to GOCC. VERY CLEAR AND COMING OUT OF THE SCRIPTURES.
GOCC WON AGAINST JJM
Did everyone forget that the GOCC were all baptised in Jesus under JJM? So at the end of the day Jesus brought all those who were lost in the law brought them under his Grace
go read you bible
John P maybe you should stop reading your NIV and start reading the KJV
@@Raaaazledazzle 1611 Kjv is what i read, maybe you need to learn or do a course on how to understand old english.
John P maybe you should read your bible
@@Raaaazledazzle Romans 7 (KJV)
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⁷ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
⁸ But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
⁹ For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
¹⁰ And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
¹¹ For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
¹² Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
¹³ Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
So if the new covenant was made after christ was on the seen,who established it then?? If christ was following the laws of moses in the old testament which is true but JJM speaker just admit that during his rebuttal. So who established this new covenant if it didn't exist during christ time on the earth,who came up with living under grace only will save you from hell's fire?? The old and new testament goes hand in hand,and even of there was certain word's erected in the bible which doesn't belong there,doesn't mean God's word's doesn't stand!!
@Timothy Coll Matthew chapter26:28 says: For this is my blood of the new testament,which is shed for many for the remission of sins. I'm not sure where you find new covenant,or what bible ur using the scripture is clear!!
What a debate!!! All praises to AHAYAH
Wonderful job Elder Gaja
so why give tithe if you're under grace? can't you just say "Christ paid for that too, where's my bacon?"
as far as "grace" vs "law"
if you role play it out it will make more sense
Can't you guys see this Bible is of confusion ? It has 15 scriptures on a point Another 15 to rebutt the same point ! Concussion .So many ppl believe in the Bible NONE of you agree on anything unless y'all in the same church.
@@sifulo9161 umm no.
some people can see some can't. some have understanding some don't. it sounds like you are saying to just accept eternal damnation.
for those seeking truth and the most high God everything will be made whole and all truths will be revealed, all lies exposed and our faith justified.
for those who parish will be for a lack of knowledge.
so sayeth the most high God
Shalawam
You're wicked shut up
@@caroleharris9769 to whom do you speak?
Tithes is LAW, and they collect
ALL I GOTTA SAY TO OUR CHRISTIANS WHO LEARNED UNDER GENTILES WHO WERE NOT TAUGHT BY ISREALITES, REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED, AND START KEEPING THE LAW STARTING WITH THE SABBATH AT LEAST, PRAISE AHAYAH(GOD), LET'S KEEP DOING THIS WORK HEBREWS AND SHEBREWS
"For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace"
Ephesians 2:14-15
Paul makes it clear that we have been set free from the curse of the law. Not only that Paul says that we have been set free from the law of sin and death in reference to the law of Moses.
The law of Moses showed our sinfulness, but we are not bound to the law. The law only scratches the surface of mans brokenness apart from Jesus.
If you think that you can make yourself right with God by observing the law then you are making the cross of Christ of no effect. You are taking away the finished work of the cross. No man shall be saved by the works of the law.
"And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator."
Galatians 3:17-19
Scripture makes it clear. "Wherefore then serveth the law?" In other words, What is the purpose of the law? It came because of transgression, to show people their sin. It had a purpose in time to show people their sinfulness but because Christ has come he has set us free from the law.
"But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." Galatians 3:23-25
For a specific time the law was given to show sin to be exceedingly sinful. But now Christ has come we are no longer under that schoolmaster.
"For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." Galatians 5:3-4
Paul clearly states that those who attempt to be justified by the law have made Christ of no effect, in other words they have rendered Christs work powerless.
Again Paul makes it clear. In fact we have a righteousness of our own, it is Gods. Paul says that he lives by the faith of the Son of God, not his own. Trying to live and be justified by your own righteousness is pointless because when you say that you essentially insult and downplay what Christ did for us and say that what he did was not enough.
"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain." Galatians 2:20-21
Pastor Gabriel kept trying to run to the moderators everytime Elder Gaja had him against the ropes😂😂😂. I wish i could've been there because Pastor Gabriel kept contradicting hisself and the scriptures and kept running from clear questions that were asked. This shows how people try to flee from scriptures and precepts and the ways of The Most High. Hopefully those who watch this video can see what is righteous and follow it Psalms 119:142.
Truth shall come from the word of God and then try to prove the law is done away with amazing
The pastor doesn’t know what grace is.
Good video. It truly showed more how we are still to keep the Laws, Statues, and Commandments. A lot of scriptures that the Pastor was bringing out, confirmed it even more. It was never said that Grace, and the Law is one in the same, they both play their parts, and that's what the scriptures are saying, not one done away with the other. There's no way man can do right on his own without there being some guidelines to show right from wrong, and our righteousness is like filthy rags! Look at the state of the World!!! Welcome to Lawlessness! It's like they're spiritually blinded to the understanding, of the new covenant, grace, and the Law. I don't get it. There's laws of the land, that as long as we're not breaking them, we're not under the penalty of the law, and we can go about our day to day business, but as soon as you break one....... So it doesn't mean there's no law, it's just that we know if we do that wrong, we pay a fine, go to jail, etc...... We don't have to worry about the laws, if we don't break any, but we know those laws are in place if we do.
MATTHEW 5 and 17 case closed.
Romans 14:21-23
King James Version
21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Avoid the devil. The devil know who he is. And he know who you are. You avoid them. That devil want to take something from you
The doctrine of Christ is what we follow. Those under moses law died without mercy. We are of Christ's house. He taught us to keep the law, the ten commandments and be perfected by the holy spirit.
amen
Who would have thought God the Father would use this to draw the BHI out of the dark false teaching into the marvelous light of Jesus His Son. Praise the Lord!
So my understanding is some say "do as you will" the law is done away and you have grace....and the other side said Grace is temporary and the law is not done away with you just have some extra time (grace) to get right with God...so choose, but choose wisely who shall you serve and how you serve!
Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
We ask, "Do we as Christians still keep the law of Moses?" The Jews, who the law of Moses was given to, aren't keeping it. The Bible is clear that the law leads us to Christ. The law is a curse. The law is the power of sin. The law is a ministry of condemnation. Christ died for nothing if we are under the law. The law is for unbelievers. If you violate one law, you violate the entire law. So, when somebody says we are to keep the law of Moses, tell them, "When you keep it then come and talk to me. Until then, I will continue to live by faith." Grace and Peace.
Make one clear.Not even the son of God know the hours or thee time only God.
1:58 The renting of the veil was TMH signifying that HE'S no longer accepting blood sacrifice.
He threw away his whole argument when he decided to change meanings of verses at 1:13:00. It clearly says "strength OF sin is the Law" but he explains as if it says "strength FROM sin is the Law.
@abcdefg read the whole chapter again. read it in greek too.
@abcdefg can the animal slaughter justify your sin....no Yahshua is that faith and sacrifice this is why it says the law of sin...to remove sin slaughter the animal....no longer Jesus came.
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@@cheersmathtabby461 I saw your video. May I ask why you sent it to me?
@@johnp3081 keeping the law does not strengthen sin. That's nonsensical. If you break the law that will strengthen sin. That's logical.
Christ Said I came to “Fulfill” the Law….So did he not do what he came to?
I don't think he know were the name Jesus Christ came from if you call on the wrong name there is on bless.
How many of use reading this comment on the cross about to die? None of use🤣 so keep the laws with the grace of God.
Both are right in a way
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committed sin transgresseth also the Law , for sin is the transgression of the Law.
without the perfect Holy Law of God we wouldn't know what sin is..
Paul says in Roman 7:7.....i didn't know what sin was but by the Law.
The Law or Commandments of God point us our sins not punish us.
Grace...
John 3:16 For God So Loves the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not parish but have everlasting life.
Now that is GRACE !!!.......But...
Yes there's a But .....
All The Best 👍👍👍
😭 how is this not on the gocc channel???
Enjoyed listening to both sides. I believe that a balance is important of Grace and Truth, I will say that the one who leans on the law is the one who broke the laws of this debate by not obeying the law of the Moderator,,,LOL I just thought that was ironic,,,,Once again we choose which laws we want to obey....
Gocc is right guys.
The Pastor voice is very low could not understand most of what he was saying
Which Laws? Which Commandments?
Matthew 19:17-19
If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man asked.
Jesus answered, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness, honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself.’”
Notice that Jesus changed the Second Commandment from, Do not make engraved images to: Love your neighbor, and didn't even mention the Sabbath.
Matthew 12:6-8 Yet I say to you that in this place there is One Greater than the temple. But if you had know what this means, ‘I desire Mercy and Not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless. For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
If the Lord of the Sabbath is "in" your heart, Everyday is a Sabbath, Rest.
For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:20
Then, Jesus starts talking about iniquity (dwelling on hatred is the same as murder and lusting in the heart is the same as committing the act)
The Law is fulfilled. Or should we kill disobedient children too.
Mathew 15:3-6 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the "Command" of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said: ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if anyone says to his father or mother, ‘Whatever you would have received from me, is a gift devoted to God,’ he need not honor his father or mother with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
John 15:12-17
This is My Commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.
You are My friends if you do what I Command you. No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not understand what his master is doing. But I have called you friends, because everything I have learned from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit-fruit that will remain (Galatians 5:22,23)-so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you. This is My Command to you: Love one another.
Jesus declared, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these Two Commandments.” Matthew 22:37-40
This was good. It comes down to we're not saved because we keep the law; we strive for the law because we're saved! We CANNOT keep the law and the reason for Christ to come and atone for our sins; I said "cannot" opposed to "will not". There's a misunderstanding of grace and the reason why it's undermined. Those who supposedly use grace as a license to sin were never saved and born again to begin with and why there's no good fruit bearing forth.
Ultimately it is by grace that we are saved. There is none good, no not one (Romans 3:10-12). There was one profound statement made by JJM and that was about the thief on the cross? He broke many-a-law and the reason for being crucified, his faith in Jesus was enough and Jesus' grace sufficient. When through religious practice and works you elevate the law you hold yourself accountable to that standard and NO MAN or women was ever able to keep it. Adding to that, you're supplementing the atonement of Christ and essentially say his sacrifice isn't enough.
1 Peter 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy
John 19:30 IT IS FINISHED!
D Garcia5 NO MAN or woman was ever able to keep the law????
Luke 1:5-6 (KJV) 5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife [was] of the daughters of Aaron, and her name [was] Elisabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
abcdefg do you know what sin is? Do you know what repentance is?
As smart as you made yourself sound, and it's logical in some things you said, you had a common misconception at the end of your statement. Nobody's teaching from the gathering Christ Church to supplant the sacrifice of Christ with the law. That is a huge misconception, a huge false accusation that is constantly stated by opposers.
but who can keep the Torah who was ever made right with God through the Torah
Job.......
he was righteous
in the eyes of TMHG.
and Job's "refinement"
FROM self-righteousness
is anther story.
but he was righteous.
and the Torah is law.
TMHG said so.
CHRIST Did !!!.That who really do read what he said ??....................................John 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
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If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; """"even""" {{{{{{{ as I have kept my Father's commandments,}}}}}}} and abide in his love.
Child of Ahayah
Job actually admitted that he had committed sins in his youth and pondered if TMHG was punishing him because of it and we know if we break the law just once we are condemned for all of it
Now if he is righteous it’s not because of his observence of the Torah Because he broke it in his youth but because THMG declared him so
King James Bible
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
ROMANS 4:5
abisai ocegueda Luke 1:5-6 (KJV) 5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife [was] of the daughters of Aaron, and her name [was] Elisabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
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Jesus ministry is confusing and elder is taken up all the time
But does that mean christ agree with that man's sin,i don't think so.
Amen brother Gabe!
Pastor Gabrielle was being very rude to elder gaja!! But you guys teach love that's crazy to me,why read the bible if you don't agree with it simple as that!!!!!!!
Are you serious? The elder was acting in a rude disorderly fashion. Pastor Gabriel handled himself correctly.
Shalom Apttmh YAH I Can Almost Guarantee That 90% of di church goers in JJM congregation either left or research 🔬 outside of Bible study on Wednesday 😂
This elder Gaja guy has no reference or respect. He is unprepared with no knowledge of the word of God. He is all over the place and can't stick to a question or time. Very weak. Outright disrespectful with no self-control.
Luke 16:29-31 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 16:30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 16:31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Christians can’t be persuaded because they are under the delusion that the lord has them under Isaiah 66 plus they harken to the female covering spirit of Satan Ezekiel 28 revelation 17 hence they are not in the book of life. They also don’t know what grace is because none of them know the Odes of Solomon chapters 3,4,5,6,7 which details who grace is for and why then we can go to Isaiah 41 44 and Ezekiel 39 the lords sacrifice so they’ll learn at the end when it’s too late sense they don’t know who the real servants are and only israel.
This pastor from j.j.m is prideful,he know what he's saying is wrong but because of loose or win he refused to come to the truth.
Gabriel is obvious that he has no knowledge of the word of the Most High. He need to stop pushing theology/doctrine, and learn the word. Cause he is completely lost.
law and grace do work hand in hand. but what the law could not do (condemn sin in the flesh) God sent his son and condemned sin in the flesh. Any believer in Christ that allows sins. Is under condemnation. Grace is a spiritual gift that God gives us, that enable us to live above sin and shame. for the Grace of GOD that bringeth salvation, teaches us to live righteously, godly, and soberly, in this present world. Catholicism teaches men to deny the power of the grace of God. That's what the Baptist did also by instituting a doctrine with a curse. which is a doctrine of a devil, that is hidden in their doctrine.