Is UO Outlands EXTORTING players?
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In the video, the shard administrator jails a rule abiding player simply for being complained about 3 times, (maybe by a contributor?) He then informs the player that they haven't contributed enough to "the shard" nor "the community". It seems like the admin is suggesting that the player may not have been jailed if they had contributed more.
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What is truly shocking is how nobody from the game seems to care. They keep playing as if nothing happened, maybe because they don't PvP or maybe they are friends of the staff who this wouldn't happen to.
But it makes me wonder what else the staff are lying about if they're this desperate for money. Like are all the players and houses even real? Or is the whole thing just a big money making setup?
How much personal data is Outlands collecting with their custom client, and who are they giving it to?
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You - and most of the commenters - seem to be conflating a Felucca ruleset with "Being a dick is OK". That's two different things. I am not trying to defend Owyn, I've never even chatted with them, and I am not trying to say that I agree with what happened in this instance.
This channel strives to help the community strike a healthy balance, where clear rules are established and enforced fairly and evenly.
In this instance, a player is PvMing (fighting monsters) in Felucca, which means they can be freely attacked by other players and harassed with any spells as part of normal gameplay. The onus is on them to leave if another player aggressively decides to take over the area or spawn and they can't defend themselves.
It is the admins responsibility to educate players to this fact, certainly not do what admins here did, which seems to have added fuel to the fire of players feeling disenfranchised/sold out and consequently misbehaving even more afterwards. It's no wonder why they have to keep adding more safe areas.
@@GuardianOfUltima Again you seem to think that any shard with a Felucca ruleset is A-OK with their players being harassed. Outlands has a clear no-grief policy. This player did not engage in PvP combat to win a spot, he simply trolled someone repeatedly. Again I don't know Owyn and I don't even play Outlands anymore. But I think you have a bad take on this one.
@@qbradq From a professional standpoint, however, "no-grief policies" are in fact very unclear and can be difficult for players to navigate, *especially* when the Administrator is willing to look the other way depending on the scale of your contribution in his opinion. I can see why it would be difficult to know what is allowed and what isn't when some players are allowed to do things but then others aren't.
In this case, it seems that the less skilled player continued to gear up with new equipment and return to the scene to try and farm more monsters, so it's hard to fault the other player for not knowing he wasn't enjoying the competition. The only reason that anybody would die just because their pets were hidden is because they are engaging in high stakes PvM, which I mentioned carries the expectation of full PvP full loot on a Felucca server. Nobody is entitled to winning in the skill based economy, regardless of how many times they complain (or how much they contribute..?)
For future reference, an example of an actual "clear rule" related to "griefing" as you call it would be to say that "no player is allowed to impede another players access to their house by stacking up blocking objects in front of their door." Developers are also encouraged to make changes directly to their code where possible, such as implementing a cooldown on how often a player can cast invisibility on another players pet, instead of blaming players and putting all the responsibility on them all the time for every single thing.
If you still feel like my take is bad on this one after reading then I encourage you to stay tuned for my next video!
You should look up the history of the POWER guild on outlands. They came from UO:F and were well organized and the best group pvpers at launch. They controlled the boss spawns (most valuable content in the game), and drove the rest of the community crazy. The player banned in this interaction appears to be from BB. I've heard some of the BB players were the reason why POWER was banned. Essentially, Owyn was trying everything within his ethical admin power to stop this group from hogging up all the wealth on the server, but it was a fel rule set and tough to fix. He couldn't implement a fix that would stop the well organized group. He then claimed they were all selling the items for real world transactions and banned everyone that played with them in the guild. The others that gave him this idea to ban everyone (citing racism, RMT, etc) that didn't play the way he wanted them to play, appear to have had it came back like karma to hit them too. There is a discord out there from the POWER group documenting all this with the same type of crazy screen shots from Owyn. Have to love some UO drama, the kids will never get this type of stuff, we played through the greatest of times!
I remember power on UOF them and $$ were the best pvp groups for a long time
You have to understand Owyn perspective. He is trying to bring the best experience to new players. I remember all the grieffing i had to endure as a noob, and while i personally wouln't want the other person banned, i support a susspension for a period of time. If you are grieffing for no other reason than to be an asshole, then there should be some sort of punishment. Its not as simple as asking "what rule did i break?" Its more complex.
If you feel so passionately about justice in Felucca then your option is to go and enact it yourself. It isn't Owyn's role to interfere given the ruleset being advertised as Felucca since day one, and it doesn't seem at all like he cares about the experiences of new players when the last expansion on Outlands didn't even allow brand new players who came to Outlands for the event to purchase "lottery tickets" for house plots there (that shouldn't exist in Felucca either.)
Many players agreed that Owyn was going to far with a ban for this, but he did it anyways despite at least a dozen or two emoji upvotes on a comment saying the ban would be too harsh.
I got banned for using foot stools in events and trolling vendor gates. All stuff that is allowed by mechanics is a sandbox game. Owyn hates greifers are will ban you even when within the rules.
this some kind of weird UO ASMR?
So wouldn't mind sitting down with you and having a chat. I agree with something and disagree with others. I'm a original Catskills player that went to siege perilous when they made tram. I agree on you, it's a custom Fel rule set on outlands, but they mean it's allows pking and reds. But need to word it better than they did. Now when it comes to invising the players that dude was grieving the new player and that player was a know greifer. They ment contributing to the shard as being a positive none grieving person on the shard. I've been playing outlands now for over 3 years after being banned for calling other shards out for real P2W with relayer deeds to be able to do end game contact. In UOO I've bought 90% of any item that they have in prev With gold. Now I'll say Outlands doesn't have clean hand. So if you'd like I wouldn't mind sitting down having a chat on the record and off. Hit me up here or discord or twitch man love the videos much needed for public debate and seeing the other side a lot of ppl are blind to.
Of course, I'd love to chat about this. You can always join the UO Scams discord: discord.gg/yUPRMYfn8p
With so many examples of unwarranted mod actions and false advertising, I'm not surprised that players on Outlands do "grief" other players. When mods are abusive, sometimes the abused players will retaliate by "griefing" other players in order to ward them away from the server.
They are trying to hold staff accountable since the staff wont hold themselves accountable. This is likely why the PKs on Outlands are so harsh after many skilled players have been disenfranchised from the Felucca skill based economy.
Considering that the Outlands staff will go as far as to coerce guildmasters to remove players they don't like, sometimes banning entire guilds if the guildmaster doesn't move fast enough, I wouldn't be so quick to place any of the blame on "griefers," nor do I recommend unwarranted mod actions in any scenario.
I respect your opinions and perspectives on these issues, and likewise respect that you're passionate about UO. I wonder however if you've had the rather arduous experience of playing a leadership role in a large and evolving community. In that position you start to notice that some of the most persistent and significant interpersonal problems originate from a very small minority.
In a moderation role, often 0.1% of your community's population are people you are constantly hearing complaints about from dozens or hundreds of others. At that point you start reasonably wondering why it makes sense to frustrate the overwhelming majority of participants in order to allow those very few people to continue their actions simply because they are technically skirting within the bounds of the rules. Part of the growing pains of any community is handling the inevitable situations where a rule may not have been violated to the letter, but the community has been damaged nonetheless and action is warranted.
I won't claim to know the inner workings of the particular situation highlighted here, but both the community and moderators seemed to be familiar with this character and his reputation for hassling others. If the moderators are constantly hearing complaints about the same person, they've asked that person to change their behavior without success, and the community is beginning to express frustration that "nothing is being done," it eventually becomes the right call to simply remove that person from the community so the 99.9% can have an improved experience. You can reasonably argue that it's censorship, and also make the argument of setting precedents leading to slippery slopes, but free-speech absolutism is a pipe dream approach to the exhaustingly complex issues that come up in diverse communities.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but yours is flat out wrong. Action is never warranted until the rules are broken, no matter how much pressure there is to sell the rules out. Once you do that, the rules just become meaningless for the entire community. That frustration you mentioned is likely only to grow and grow as players seek to push the limits further in order to punish the staff for selling out the shard. The end result is needing to sell the rules and ruleset out more and more and more, like on Outlands with protected dungeons now.
Where did this occur in the game? There is one area of the game specifically carved out for new players....I mean if it was there the guy is openly griefing in an area the player cannot do anything to respond to. Not defending Owyn but there is a lot of context missing here.
On the contrary, I would say that you are defending Owyn if your stance is that his behavior is at all acceptable, regardless of where this took place.
In the first place, there should be no "custom safe zones" considering that the ruleset is strictly advertised as Felucca. It merely leaves new players unprepared for Felucca gameplay, which is where (more often than not) examples of improper interference by administrators on UO Outlands have occurred.
Secondly, the onus is on the administrators to ensure that their code is how they want it. For example, they can always change the game to make it so that players cant cast certain spells on certain creatures in certain areas (although in this case such a change might still be viewed as false advertising by some since they've accepted money for Felucca for 5 years now.)
Administrators must create clear rules that are easy to follow and enforced fairly, and this scenario is quite the opposite of that. The administrator here appears to suggest that he looks the other way depending on players "contribution" in his view, which makes the current unclear rules even less clear.
When the rules become impossible to follow, it just creates drama for the entire community. Having UO Outlands be one big unprofessionally hosted grey area (in terms of rules AND ruleset) is absolutely damaging the entire community and can't be given a pass any longer than it already has, even if the shard isn't an outright scam at this point.
Whether or not UO Outlands is really just the 100 players it looks like it is and the rest are botted or not, the shard makes a big impact on the community and needs to be held to account for the damage it is causing.
Owyn's threatened to ban me over personal arguments before having done absolutely nothing wrong in game. He might ban me for making this comment lmao. If you don't kiss his ass he will get super aggressive. I think he's just power tripping because this is his own little world he's created. The "Fellucca" rule set has been completely tarnished and continues to every 6 months or so as Owyn adds new rules that make PKing more difficult. He's saying its not a perma ban because if the dude just apologizes he'll unban him because thats what Owyn's looking for - a power trip.