A comment towards the newspaper printing about Adrien's death: TMZ published Kobe's death before his family was informed. News outlets rush to be the first to release information at the cost of traumatizing others or being incorrect.
Another really cool thing I noticed: Zeus would *not* go into Adrienne's lab. It very much made it clear to me the dog had been punished before for wandering in there, possibly via shock.
Makes sense why he loves the main character, Zeus probably wants to comfort her (this is just based off dogs I've know who are very empathetic and comfort their people)
I work in a domestic violence shelter, and I appreciate Leigh Whannell's dedication to getting abuse "accurate" in that it accurately tells warning signs, and the impacts on the woman, and how abusers try to isolate their victim and gaslight them
And I appreciated how it showed that the abuse was over a long period of time. She was intelligent. People always ask why they didn't leave immediately? But abuse sneaks up slowly sometimes and you can have a whole life with a person to make you feel trapped.
I am SO disappointed that they showed the paint scene in the trailers because that was SUCH an amazing scare and I would’ve loved to have seen that without knowing about it before hand
I didn’t watch the trailer and I went with a group of friends and they didn’t watch it either and at that scene one of them scared everyone in the theater saying OH MY GOD!!😂😂😂
Something of note to mention: the part when she steps outside of James' house - we know it's cold from her visible breath changes - and then suddenly there's someone exhaling next to her. She never notices it, but we do. I think that's pretty cool.
Your dad suffer from abusive relationship and decided to escape and find out later that his partner die but in fact using a invisible power to stalk him and trying to ruin his life? Wow that’s tough...
I was pretty sure that leaving her money in his will was to make her come out to the office so he could find her and follow her. Before that he didn't know where she was.
44:43 if I may interject, I once had a similar thing happen to me when I was a kid. A girl punched me so hard I fell onto the ground and knocked me out for a split second. Her sister came to try and help me up and I thought she was the one who punched me when I came too because she was the closest one to me. Getting punched when you don't expect to be punched is wild man. I could totally understand why Sydney thought Cici hit her.
I still don't buy it. Sydney wasn't knocked down or unconscious. Also, she an Cecilia weren't arguing. They were laughing together. She had NO logical reason to believe Cecilia did it. If it were me, I would have thought "What the hell just hit me?!" I'd believe it was a ghost before believing it was Cecilia and I don't even believe in ghosts.
@@bondfall0072 I've been punched harder than Sydney got punched. However, if it happened while I was looking at my friend and we were laughing together and my friend didn't move an inch, I wouldn't think my friend hit me.
Also, there is a brief moment where Sidney glances away from Cecilia, and thats when she gets hit by Adrian. I agree that Sidney could have realized that she was too far, but her brain is naturally going to assume what's happening when you're in body is in danger to protect herself.
@@fukkandre seeing how big the gates are. The begining scene was what prevented the dog from escaping as well, since she was in a rush after the alarm. So the dog stayed there. Dog returned in her revisit, and then left with her in the final scene.
To answer your question about security cams in restaurants: Yes. There are so many cameras in both the dining area and the kitchen area and usually there's is a manager watching the cameras at almost all times. Someone definately would've seen the floating knife and that would've been able to be used in court as well
Perhaps Adrian would've knocked out the manager and/or disabled the cameras? It seems like the murder was premeditated since the fake email he sent to cut off Cecilia's contact with her sister also doubled as evidence against Cecilia. Also, if I'm remembering correctly, he used the kitchen knife he had previously hidden in the attic; he wouldn't have brought that along for no reason - he brought it to use it (perhaps because it would have only Cecilia's fingerprints on it). So yeah, I imagine he would make sure his planned murder wasn't recorded.
I feel like it really depends on the restaurant. I've worked at a couple large chain restaurants and we didn't have any security camera inside or outside at any.
Our entire theater straight up gasped when the sister got killed. Oof I'm so glad we (my brother and I saw this). I had just show him OG Invisible Man.
I was caught off guard when Sydney got punched, but I was genuinely SHOCKED when Emily's throat was slit. I sat there, unable to comprehend what had just happened, just like Cecelia did. My jaw literally dropped.
A cool thing about the jellyfish quote were she refers to Tom as a jellyfish is that when there’s the fight in the house when Tom attacks them. Sidney is wearing pjs with jellyfish on them referencing that it’s Tom and not Adrian fighting them
As a victim of domestic violence, I started to tear up and the urge to walk out in the first 15min of the movie. I'm glad I didnt, it was a good movie. He handled abuse and ptsd really well. The worse abuse is the psychological kind, the kind you can't see nor prove.
We were literally in Cecilia's shoes feeling jarred after it's revealed that the brother is the invisible man all along while Adrian was held captive. This simply doesn't fit the narrative we've been following. So, this leaves it up to us viewers to decide if we trust Cecilia's gut feeling that Adrian orchestrated and manipulated the whole thing (framing his brother somehow and appearing like a victim). Since we did not really see much of the abuse, only Cecilia's recounts and the aftermath, it's easy for a character like Adrian to manipulate us just as Cecilia claims she has been. Also notice that when it's Adrian in the suit he's ruthless and could kill with ease. Unlike when it was the brother (in James' house ofc), he had a hard time trying to kill James and his daughter Sydney (who was wearing a jellyfish shirt btw). The Jellyfish version of his own brother.
Isabela Louise you missed a key point where you figure out he was in on it as well which is when at the ending they were at the table and he repeated the same words to her in the suit which is “surprise” that gave away the fact you as the audience and her knew he was in on it too
As i abuse survivor myself i did feel the tension much more strongly in that 1st 10 minutes. I had tears just falling down my face but i wasn’t sobbing it was just very relatable and emotional. But it was an amazing movie that i loved
i nearly cried when cecillia was talking and opening up to her friend and her sister. the way her eyes dart around, looking for any reaction as if they are going to immediately attack her is extremely relatable
marsclaws omg yes! I could feel her fear and I remember how I felt not knowing where my abuser would be and you can imagine how much more impacted that fear would be if he was invisible.
How about the amazing camera work? The first pan to an empty hallway when she's getting ready to leave him. There's so much tension and suspense built around the camera pans. It's like they're training us to look at empty space and suspect that there's something or someone there, so from that first scene on...any pan or any time there's empty space in the scene you feel like he's there or questioning yourself and going as crazy as Cecelia.
finally got to watch the movie last night and my boyfriend and i were talking about the movie this morning and i said the exact same thing as you! i love that it pans back to her and it’s just her, nothing crazy and nothing there at all. i loved it
The scary thing for me was realizing someone was living in the house the whole time because someone had to be taking care of the dog and I instinctively knew she was in danger.
There’s a point where she goes back to the house and since Adrian is dead everything is covered by white sheets and there’s a scene where she is walking down a long hallway in Adrians house and there’s a statue at the end of it and it’s covered by a white sheet so It looks like a person may be standing there and you can see Elisabeth Moss’s reaction which is both tentative and scared. It’s a great nod to the og.
Leigh Whannell explained in an interview that he met with a group of Australian optic scientists during his research before production and they explained to him the suit idea is possible. Definitely more modern and different to the serum idea in previous films and Leigh wanted something more realistic so that’s why he went with the suit idea to become invisible.
I GOT THAT SAME FEELING ABOUT TOM’S ACTOR! I could have sworn I had seen him in something, anything before, but looking into it he hasn’t been in much. It’s the strangest thing.
The first name of the main character, Cecilia, is derived from the Latin Caecus which means blind or eyeless, Appropriately, she cannot see the Invisible Man. She is frequently called 'C' in the film, which, obviously, is pronounced like 'see.' The opening sequence originally had original music written for it, but Leigh Whannell and the sound design team felt it worked better with silence and the sound of the crashing waves. No actors' names appear at the beginning of the film. The outside wall of the mental institution has a graffiti piece depicting Billy the Puppet, the doll the Jigsaw Killer uses in Saw (2004). Director Leigh Whannell wrote and starred in Saw (2004)
doesn't mean she's gonna be a psycho like him. Now she and her child are free! Plus its satisfying seeing her beat him at his own game. Respect your opinion though!
That jumpscare during the first reveal of the invisible man on the ladder was fucking terrifying!! I knew it was coming and I STILL jumped straight out of my seat. It’s such an insanely good scene and will stick with me forever.
For me, James hit the nail on the head with his criticisms. There were so many bits of the film I loved but there was so many little nitpicky bits that irked me too.
QualityApeMan how about why does Adrien have two invisibility suits in the first place? How are they powered? Are there cameras on the soles of his shoes? Can’t people feel the weird suit when they fight him? Does it hurt more to get punched with a fistful of tiny cameras?
@@TrekBeatTK Also, why doesn't he cast a shadow? If he was truly invisible like in the original Universal film then it would make sense that he doesn't have a shadow, but here he just appears to be invisible due to a bunch of cameras and screens on a suit. I think he should probably cast a shadow, and as a result he would be pretty easily spotted :p
@@TrekBeatTK 1. because he needs more in case one gets damaged 2. they literally show you in the movie 3. yes? dude what kind of question is that 4 and 5. why would you need to know that???? who the fuck cares about if punching cameras hurts
I totally believe that punching scene. I was punched in the side of the head while in the middle of a bunch of guys who were getting pissed at me, couldn’t tell who the hell did it
Working in estate law - a death certificate is issued by the funeral home - you don’t need need a death certificate to have an obituary written up in a newspaper etc. 😊 a lot of times though the funeral home would have contact the newspaper for the deceased’s family and give them the information the family wants printed just as a courtesy service but as the estate lawyer sometimes I do and sometimes the clients want to do it themselves
But be sure to study hard great support is always welcome but remember knowledge reigns supreme over nearly everything :) go pursue you're own career and inspire and make people as proud as this podcast has made some :)
Did anyone else notice that when the scene where he was snapping pictures of them when she looked up there was a mannequin with the exact outfit did the original Invisible Man wore.
42:20 The sister was probably the first to realise that Adrian was abusive to Cecilia but Cecilia back then was probably at the point where she thought Adrian loved her and convinced herself that she made him abuse her even though he chose to. He probably played the sisters against each other as well probably by telling Cecilia something like "Oh she's just jealous I'm with you and not her."
A lot of the movie gave me a very Carpenter vibe-specifically Halloween- for the growing suspense of the film, but mostly for the creative use of negative space in the frame and simple yet deliberate action sequences! Just started this podcast and am loving it so far!! Keep up the good work!
51:10 Here's a good tip! Don't eat the magic wall cotton candy, it will end with a trip to the E.R. And that's why I can't help my dad with his house projects anymore!
I saw the movie last Saturday, and the one thing that irritated me was the fact that when Cecilia's sister was killed, security camera footage wasn't used to clear her name. Like, I'm pretty sure there would be some sort of serveillance in restaurants. I still enjoyed it, though.
I caught Billy the puppet's face on the fence. I also caught when Cecilia is going to visit her sister, when she walks through the front door to the apartment place, another person is leaving when she is entering. For a brief second after the person exits, the door pauses when it's closing, as if the Invisible Man held it open for a second to slip thru.
I have to say even though it has been a bummer not seeing movies in theatres for so long, watching new reviews and coming back to these older ones that are fresh from the theatre. I really appreciate them (newer) more because you guys have been reviewing a ton of incredible films available on streaming that you can rewatch to make sure you catch every detail when writing notes and also discover new things on second watches. I relate to it more as a viewer and I often rewind or rewatch films I enjoy and like to discuss them and although I do love these older reviews, I think the newer podcast deep dives have just gotten better and better (Also maybe bias coming back 2 years later after watching the KC and seeing the film 3 times and finding it a bit frustrating when they say, "oh maybe I didn't catch that part or didn't remember" and I also don't have to write notes!) so love you guys, love your work- just wanted to say again love the growth of the channel
The phone was my biggest point as well. BUT mind you I'm already talk about this movie that is based on manipulation if she bought the bait and turned the phone into police the police might beat her down more by saying (a sponcer to most) an Apple iPhone has the ability to take pictures on a timer. (The future of technology and what it brings is scary) I feel like that was cut as there was enough depiction of a person being terrorised. You can't say the police do that to in the time we live in while making a timeless classic.
I listened to James and Chelsea and skipped the podcast so I could watch the movie spoiler free, and holy crap it was fantastic. Please, please if you’re reading this go watch it if you haven’t. It’s SO GOOD.
I finally got around to watching it and I absolutely love how smart and determined cecelia is. Favorite moment was for sure when she dumped the paint on him
The scene that James is talking about at 16:15 about Cecilia not wanting to leave the dog Zeus behind, if I remember correctly, but maybe I'm wrong, she doesn't say "I don't want to leave you with HIM" but instead she says "I don't want to leave you with IT" which dehumanizes Adrian completely. I thought that was a very strong moment. But I might remember it incorrectly. And guys, thanks for a great episode, as always!
I think it's actually "I'm not gonna leave you with that on" referencing the shock collar that Adrian put on Zeus. Which is a good way to show her trying to free both herself and the dog of Adrian's abuse and control.
I know I broke my jaw in an accident a few years ago; I immediately leapt into action and used a notebook to write down short sentences, which probably helped the EMTs, but I had still had to go get my jaw set (morphine is the best; I felt nothing), jaw wired shut for a while, and drop out of college for a semester. My mum had to translate for me (like rubbing my stomach meant I was hungry, and a few times, I did it to slip out of things I didn't want to do)
What about Hollow Man? Does anyone remember that Kevin Bacon movie where he's a scientist who becomes invisible. This was definitely better than that but the invisible still goes nuts.
20:01. I had a different interpretation about the shoes when I saw the movie. When you compare what she wears for most of the movie to the clothes she has in Adrian's closet, and the final dinner scene, it's all fancy dresses and heels, but none of it feels like it's hers, she's just wearing an extension of him, (and she did say that he controlled what she would wear). So I saw her decision to wear tracksuits and comfy pants and trainers was her autonomous decision to free herself from his influence and wear what she felt comfortable in.
watched it last night after seeing y'all posted this and gosh, it was so brilliant. the tension was intense. love hearing your points as you went through it.
i was in an extremely abusive friendship and when i left i was absolutely terrified that they'd commit suicide because when i left everyone realized that they were a trash can and also left.
I know no one will probably see this, but I just watched the movie today with my boyfriend for the first time. When she's leaving the attic you can see her drop the phone down before she gets out herself, and then gets attacked by him. I explicitly remember this, because I was scared she'd land on it and crush it.
Oh, and some restaurants have cameras and some don't. It depends on the budget, the liability concern, insurance, etc. I say this as someone who has a close friend who's worked in about ten different restaurants. Even when there are cameras, there can be blind spots, or only selected parts of the restaurant under observation.
The restaurant scene is one of the most shocking horror movie scenes I've seen in a while, along with THAT scene in Hereditary. Elizabeth Moss is amazing here, up there with Lupita Nyong'o and Essie Davis in Us and The Babadook with horror film performances.
I watched another review of this movie, and they point out during the scene where she kills the brother, one guy was sprayed by the little girl, and then she runs from the room and gets hit by an invisible thing from the opposite direction she was running. This means in that scene it was apparent their were two people in suits at that moment. Even further confirming that adiran was the master mind
Watching this just as my Dead Meat in search of darkness blu-ray arrives at my door before school. Can't wait to see this movie, going with a friend, keep up the great work😁
A few years ago I watched a video with Michio Kaku where he was talking about invisibility cloaks and how things like that would work. He basically came to the same idea like the suit Adrian is wearing but he also stated that it is basically impossible to make at the moment. The suit would have to be made up of small but powerful cameras all over that simultaneously are also screens to display the recording of the cameras opposite to them to be able to make it "invisible" from all sides. I think it's a really interesting idea, but yeah, at the moment nearly impossible.
SPOILERS!! Around 1:12:00 you mention leaving the guard in the parking lot alive. It’s not Adrien is in the suit-it’s his brother. Leaving the guard alive helps Adrien’s case that he was “kidnapped” and locked in the wall. It doesn’t matter if Tom goes crazy with killing people-it matters that Adrien looks innocent.
There is an added level of paranoia and horror that I think people who are victims of abuse would think of: the idea of you’re abuser is HAUNTING you as a ghost. That even after death they have full access to you. And this movie has that aspect of it until it’s confirmed that he’s still alive. It also plays into the invisible man aspect: ghost or suit. P.s she’s gets them a ladder cuz James mentioned that he needed a new later (I forget why)
2020 is a good year for James so far. His first break from working a million hours a week for so long, an engagement (or did that happen at the end of last year? Doesn't matter), he gets his higher voice back, and eventually is getting married Hell yeah homie 🤙
I felt so annoyed people kept saying the trailer for this spoiled too much by revealing that the Invisible Man was real. Like, hello? It was a modernization of the Invisible Man, of course he was going to exist. That was never going to be the twist or surprise. Anyway, I really loved the camera work and suspenseful elements added to this movie, it was exceptionally well done. Also I do agree that there were definitely moments where there was no reason for people not to believe her. Also Adrian left witnesses alive to intentionally frame his brother. It was also likely his brother who was at the house who she ran into.
When james named his four things that for a moment kinda took him out I was right there with him! But such a great movie and hes right those little things dont harm the over all too much!
1:06:44 idk where she knew cut but my mom (a nurse of over 10 years) said that when you slice horizontally you hit the artery but where she sliced vertically missed the artery.
You were absolutely right about that scene in the hospital, the brother was fucking with the guard for a while and she was behind him so she could have taken the gun earlier and shot him but didn't. You know this because when he turned to leave they then show her pick up the gun from behind him and chase after him. So she could have picked the gun up earlier
21:54 Him faking his death by pretending he killed himself is probably a reference to what many abusers do to their victims where they say they'll kill themselves if their abused girlfriend, boyfriend, wife or husband leaves them.
22: 20 seeing as you where talking about it, I would definitely recommend reading the handmaid's tale, it was a really deep interesting read, especially if you understand the context
A comment towards the newspaper printing about Adrien's death: TMZ published Kobe's death before his family was informed. News outlets rush to be the first to release information at the cost of traumatizing others or being incorrect.
Exactly. A newspaper can publish without exactly confirming
They were told from law enforcement officials not random people or family members
@@rosestokoe4580 Could've paid off some cops
@@DakMT exactly exactly exactly exactly exactly exactly exactly exactly exactly exactly exactly
Or the fact that it went around all over Facebook that The Rock had died a few years back when in fact he is alive 😂
Seeing James be so happy about his vocal range is adorable
I guess your right
Another really cool thing I noticed: Zeus would *not* go into Adrienne's lab. It very much made it clear to me the dog had been punished before for wandering in there, possibly via shock.
good catch, damn
3 years late but I caught that too lmao
Makes sense why he loves the main character, Zeus probably wants to comfort her (this is just based off dogs I've know who are very empathetic and comfort their people)
I work in a domestic violence shelter, and I appreciate Leigh Whannell's dedication to getting abuse "accurate" in that it accurately tells warning signs, and the impacts on the woman, and how abusers try to isolate their victim and gaslight them
And I appreciated how it showed that the abuse was over a long period of time. She was intelligent. People always ask why they didn't leave immediately? But abuse sneaks up slowly sometimes and you can have a whole life with a person to make you feel trapped.
I am SO disappointed that they showed the paint scene in the trailers because that was SUCH an amazing scare and I would’ve loved to have seen that without knowing about it before hand
That still got me, and I saw it coming 100%
Justin Ball same
I hadn't heard about the movie before so I jumped when that happened. My leg rose about halfway up.
I didn’t watch the trailer and I went with a group of friends and they didn’t watch it either and at that scene one of them scared everyone in the theater saying OH MY GOD!!😂😂😂
@@justinball5651 don't get me wrong, it still got me 😂 but I love the feeling of a genuine scare that you don't know is coming
I feel like James only got the surgery so he could do better Sandler impressions
Or herbert the pervert
@@theoutcasts8844 I got some pops(whistle)cicles in my van!
Lol, i thought it was herbert the pervert
@Jeremy Helgason my daily diet consists only of movies, metal and red meat.
@Jeremy Helgason you too Mr. Helgason!
Something of note to mention: the part when she steps outside of James' house - we know it's cold from her visible breath changes - and then suddenly there's someone exhaling next to her. She never notices it, but we do. I think that's pretty cool.
This movie is about my dad guys
Mine too
That’s sad too
No dad squad✌🏽
big bucket333 wow
Your dad suffer from abusive relationship and decided to escape and find out later that his partner die but in fact using a invisible power to stalk him and trying to ruin his life? Wow that’s tough...
I was pretty sure that leaving her money in his will was to make her come out to the office so he could find her and follow her. Before that he didn't know where she was.
I never even thought of that! That's so cool
The only thing with that is the letter was sent to where she was. So he must’ve already known where she was.
@@trevonnebeatty14 I'm pretty sure her sister brought her the letter.
44:43 if I may interject, I once had a similar thing happen to me when I was a kid. A girl punched me so hard I fell onto the ground and knocked me out for a split second. Her sister came to try and help me up and I thought she was the one who punched me when I came too because she was the closest one to me. Getting punched when you don't expect to be punched is wild man. I could totally understand why Sydney thought Cici hit her.
I still don't buy it. Sydney wasn't knocked down or unconscious. Also, she an Cecilia weren't arguing. They were laughing together. She had NO logical reason to believe Cecilia did it. If it were me, I would have thought "What the hell just hit me?!" I'd believe it was a ghost before believing it was Cecilia and I don't even believe in ghosts.
@@Joker_JAK have you ever been punched so hard that you've been knocked to the ground?
@@bondfall0072 I've been punched harder than Sydney got punched. However, if it happened while I was looking at my friend and we were laughing together and my friend didn't move an inch, I wouldn't think my friend hit me.
@@Joker_JAK fair enough
Also, there is a brief moment where Sidney glances away from Cecilia, and thats when she gets hit by Adrian. I agree that Sidney could have realized that she was too far, but her brain is naturally going to assume what's happening when you're in body is in danger to protect herself.
The best thing is that the dog is okay.
Kimilia thank you for confirming. Now I can safely go and watch this movie haha
I don't get why it went back to his house though when she went to get the suit
@@fukkandre seeing how big the gates are. The begining scene was what prevented the dog from escaping as well, since she was in a rush after the alarm. So the dog stayed there. Dog returned in her revisit, and then left with her in the final scene.
@@kimishou I think Adrian was secretly feeding him the whole time
@@HorrorLover Probably
To answer your question about security cams in restaurants: Yes. There are so many cameras in both the dining area and the kitchen area and usually there's is a manager watching the cameras at almost all times. Someone definately would've seen the floating knife and that would've been able to be used in court as well
Perhaps Adrian would've knocked out the manager and/or disabled the cameras? It seems like the murder was premeditated since the fake email he sent to cut off Cecilia's contact with her sister also doubled as evidence against Cecilia.
Also, if I'm remembering correctly, he used the kitchen knife he had previously hidden in the attic; he wouldn't have brought that along for no reason - he brought it to use it (perhaps because it would have only Cecilia's fingerprints on it). So yeah, I imagine he would make sure his planned murder wasn't recorded.
I feel like it really depends on the restaurant. I've worked at a couple large chain restaurants and we didn't have any security camera inside or outside at any.
@@konstance13 same. The one I work at has some cameras but they're all in the kitchen/cash register/ outside area, none showing the tables
Our entire theater straight up gasped when the sister got killed. Oof I'm so glad we (my brother and I saw this). I had just show him OG Invisible Man.
Same here. I could hear a lot of people jumping in their seats. It was awesome.
I was caught off guard when Sydney got punched, but I was genuinely SHOCKED when Emily's throat was slit. I sat there, unable to comprehend what had just happened, just like Cecelia did. My jaw literally dropped.
@@RhinBeoulve I heard myself gasp when Sydney got hit. And my brother started choking on his own spit lmao.
Yeah you just fucking had to spoil it, didn't you? Lol
I was just like :0
A cool thing about the jellyfish quote were she refers to Tom as a jellyfish is that when there’s the fight in the house when Tom attacks them. Sidney is wearing pjs with jellyfish on them referencing that it’s Tom and not Adrian fighting them
As a victim of domestic violence, I started to tear up and
the urge to walk out in the first 15min of the movie. I'm glad I didnt, it was a good movie. He handled abuse and ptsd really well. The worse abuse is the psychological kind, the kind you can't see nor prove.
Cindy Ashley im sorry about that I hope you’re doing well
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DylanVillain 716 to who?
Hope everything is going okay for you now x
Cindy Ashley You’re extremely brave for sharing this. I’m glad you were able to stick with it and enjoy the movie.
We were literally in Cecilia's shoes feeling jarred after it's revealed that the brother is the invisible man all along while Adrian was held captive. This simply doesn't fit the narrative we've been following. So, this leaves it up to us viewers to decide if we trust Cecilia's gut feeling that Adrian orchestrated and manipulated the whole thing (framing his brother somehow and appearing like a victim). Since we did not really see much of the abuse, only Cecilia's recounts and the aftermath, it's easy for a character like Adrian to manipulate us just as Cecilia claims she has been.
Also notice that when it's Adrian in the suit he's ruthless and could kill with ease. Unlike when it was the brother (in James' house ofc), he had a hard time trying to kill James and his daughter Sydney (who was wearing a jellyfish shirt btw). The Jellyfish version of his own brother.
Nobody cares
I will never get the time it took to read this back....I blame you for my early death
Isabela Louise you missed a key point where you figure out he was in on it as well which is when at the ending they were at the table and he repeated the same words to her in the suit which is “surprise” that gave away the fact you as the audience and her knew he was in on it too
@@jakobzevnik8259 you cared enough to comment
@@TheUglyWhale stfu
As i abuse survivor myself i did feel the tension much more strongly in that 1st 10 minutes. I had tears just falling down my face but i wasn’t sobbing it was just very relatable and emotional. But it was an amazing movie that i loved
i nearly cried when cecillia was talking and opening up to her friend and her sister. the way her eyes dart around, looking for any reaction as if they are going to immediately attack her is extremely relatable
marsclaws omg yes! I could feel her fear and I remember how I felt not knowing where my abuser would be and you can imagine how much more impacted that fear would be if he was invisible.
Yes I felt this movie on another level. They really captured her emotions well
How about the amazing camera work? The first pan to an empty hallway when she's getting ready to leave him. There's so much tension and suspense built around the camera pans. It's like they're training us to look at empty space and suspect that there's something or someone there, so from that first scene on...any pan or any time there's empty space in the scene you feel like he's there or questioning yourself and going as crazy as Cecelia.
that camerawork deserves an oscar... when it turns into the halls and goes into a wide angle and back... its amazing.
finally got to watch the movie last night and my boyfriend and i were talking about the movie this morning and i said the exact same thing as you! i love that it pans back to her and it’s just her, nothing crazy and nothing there at all. i loved it
The guy that plays Police Guy James is one of the sexiest men I've ever seen in my whole life.
The whole time I was watching this movie I could not stop thinking about Zeus and who was taking care of him when Adrian was “dead”😬
they probably had an automatic dog feeder or something, at least, that's what i want to believe
The scary thing for me was realizing someone was living in the house the whole time because someone had to be taking care of the dog and I instinctively knew she was in danger.
There’s a point where she goes back to the house and since Adrian is dead everything is covered by white sheets and there’s a scene where she is walking down a long hallway in Adrians house and there’s a statue at the end of it and it’s covered by a white sheet so It looks like a person may be standing there and you can see Elisabeth Moss’s reaction which is both tentative and scared. It’s a great nod to the og.
The way this movie makes you scared of blank space is so cool!
Now when James’ voice goes high, he sounds like Herbert from family guy
I thought that to
Or Adam Sandler.
Leigh Whannell explained in an interview that he met with a group of Australian optic scientists during his research before production and they explained to him the suit idea is possible. Definitely more modern and different to the serum idea in previous films and Leigh wanted something more realistic so that’s why he went with the suit idea to become invisible.
I GOT THAT SAME FEELING ABOUT TOM’S ACTOR! I could have sworn I had seen him in something, anything before, but looking into it he hasn’t been in much. It’s the strangest thing.
John Joubran SAME
I thought he looked like a slightly more grown up version of George Mackay (the protagonist of 1917)
I think everyone is thinking he was the brother from Get Out. Looks just like him!
when your sick and have nothing to do but then a dead meat podcast comesout
Bro same
Bruh my thoughts exactly
Sr. Spactus Gaming thats legit me right now
*you’re
2 minutes in and watching James get so excited for being able to go high on the vocal register made my day!
The first name of the main character, Cecilia, is derived from the Latin Caecus which means blind or eyeless, Appropriately, she cannot see the Invisible Man. She is frequently called 'C' in the film, which, obviously, is pronounced like 'see.'
The opening sequence originally had original music written for it, but Leigh Whannell and the sound design team felt it worked better with silence and the sound of the crashing waves.
No actors' names appear at the beginning of the film.
The outside wall of the mental institution has a graffiti piece depicting Billy the Puppet, the doll the Jigsaw Killer uses in Saw (2004). Director Leigh Whannell wrote and starred in Saw (2004)
I personally found the ending to be a little sad. The system failed her and the only way she could defeat him was to become as manipulative as he was.
doesn't mean she's gonna be a psycho like him. Now she and her child are free! Plus its satisfying seeing her beat him at his own game. Respect your opinion though!
nah, i don't think manipulative is the right word. she gave him a taste of his own medicine, and got revenge for her sister
“More movies are coming out this year”
*laughs hysterically*
*sobs uncontrollably*
That jumpscare during the first reveal of the invisible man on the ladder was fucking terrifying!! I knew it was coming and I STILL jumped straight out of my seat. It’s such an insanely good scene and will stick with me forever.
For me, James hit the nail on the head with his criticisms. There were so many bits of the film I loved but there was so many little nitpicky bits that irked me too.
QualityApeMan how about why does Adrien have two invisibility suits in the first place? How are they powered? Are there cameras on the soles of his shoes? Can’t people feel the weird suit when they fight him? Does it hurt more to get punched with a fistful of tiny cameras?
@@TrekBeatTK Also, why doesn't he cast a shadow? If he was truly invisible like in the original Universal film then it would make sense that he doesn't have a shadow, but here he just appears to be invisible due to a bunch of cameras and screens on a suit. I think he should probably cast a shadow, and as a result he would be pretty easily spotted :p
QualityApeMan maybe projectors as well as little cameras?
@@QualityApeMan glass doesnt have a shadow, same applies here
@@TrekBeatTK
1. because he needs more in case one gets damaged
2. they literally show you in the movie
3. yes? dude what kind of question is that
4 and 5. why would you need to know that???? who the fuck cares about if punching cameras hurts
I totally believe that punching scene. I was punched in the side of the head while in the middle of a bunch of guys who were getting pissed at me, couldn’t tell who the hell did it
Working in estate law - a death certificate is issued by the funeral home - you don’t need need a death certificate to have an obituary written up in a newspaper etc. 😊 a lot of times though the funeral home would have contact the newspaper for the deceased’s family and give them the information the family wants printed just as a courtesy service but as the estate lawyer sometimes I do and sometimes the clients want to do it themselves
58:23 "where did we park the invisible boat mobile!?"
I'm in class but who gives a damn, Dead Meat is more important
Thomas Sarmiento damn right
So am i
I’m off today because it’s voting day
I don’t start school until an hour we have a delayed today because of voting
But be sure to study hard great support is always welcome but remember knowledge reigns supreme over nearly everything :) go pursue you're own career and inspire and make people as proud as this podcast has made some :)
Did anyone else notice that when the scene where he was snapping pictures of them when she looked up there was a mannequin with the exact outfit did the original Invisible Man wore.
I thought I was the only one who thought that! I literally said to myself "nice easter egg."
Another Easter egg was her seeing the fully bandaged man in the hospital
YESS
james and chelsea mentioned both of those easter eggs
Yes, also in the Hospital there was a Man wrapped up in some stuff just in case you miss that easter egg to
Has barely even started and I already love this episode 😂
42:20 The sister was probably the first to realise that Adrian was abusive to Cecilia but Cecilia back then was probably at the point where she thought Adrian loved her and convinced herself that she made him abuse her even though he chose to. He probably played the sisters against each other as well probably by telling Cecilia something like "Oh she's just jealous I'm with you and not her."
“We still have a lot of horror movies coming out this year.”
Me, when I remember the year this movie came out; oh no
"I'm in your room
And I'm in your bed
And I'm in your life
And I'm in your head"
A lot of the movie gave me a very Carpenter vibe-specifically Halloween- for the growing suspense of the film, but mostly for the creative use of negative space in the frame and simple yet deliberate action sequences! Just started this podcast and am loving it so far!! Keep up the good work!
To the dog: “I’m sorry, I can’t take you with me” 😭😭😭
51:10 Here's a good tip! Don't eat the magic wall cotton candy, it will end with a trip to the E.R. And that's why I can't help my dad with his house projects anymore!
This is a great comment.
I think my dad would be amazing at playing the invisible man because I haven’t seen him in years
And I-
stolen in a bad way
You ruined your joke by explaining it at the end.
James being happy because he can now go a higher pitch was about the cutest thing I’ve seen all year
Watching this in January of 2021, and all the talk about what they're going to be doing for the rest of the year is a knife in the heart.
Aww man, this was released right before the pandemic hit the fan and it's kind of sad to see how excited they were about the upcoming movies.
This was actually the last movie I saw before the lockdowns.
I saw the movie last Saturday, and the one thing that irritated me was the fact that when Cecilia's sister was killed, security camera footage wasn't used to clear her name. Like, I'm pretty sure there would be some sort of serveillance in restaurants. I still enjoyed it, though.
I imagine Adrian as just Onision but actually acting on homicidal tendencies, which makes the ending even more satisfying--
I love seeing Lucy walking around she makes it's so cozy
If you can have a 1½ hour conversation, that's a good relationship
It’s easy to have an hour and a half conversation.
@@jonahlaymon3963 thats a joke right
No. I guess it’s not for everyone, but it’s not that hard to get along with anyone. (Even disgusting democrats) for an hour and a half.
that's.... normal.
@@shteve119 talking for an hour 1/2 is easy, talking about one singular movie for an hour 1/2 is hard
I caught Billy the puppet's face on the fence. I also caught when Cecilia is going to visit her sister, when she walks through the front door to the apartment place, another person is leaving when she is entering. For a brief second after the person exits, the door pauses when it's closing, as if the Invisible Man held it open for a second to slip thru.
I have to say even though it has been a bummer not seeing movies in theatres for so long, watching new reviews and coming back to these older ones that are fresh from the theatre. I really appreciate them (newer) more because you guys have been reviewing a ton of incredible films available on streaming that you can rewatch to make sure you catch every detail when writing notes and also discover new things on second watches. I relate to it more as a viewer and I often rewind or rewatch films I enjoy and like to discuss them and although I do love these older reviews, I think the newer podcast deep dives have just gotten better and better
(Also maybe bias coming back 2 years later after watching the KC and seeing the film 3 times and finding it a bit frustrating when they say, "oh maybe I didn't catch that part or didn't remember" and I also don't have to write notes!) so love you guys, love your work- just wanted to say again love the growth of the channel
Glad to see you both back in action and happy you're healing well James. Cheers to another great episode!
The phone was my biggest point as well.
BUT mind you I'm already talk about this movie that is based on manipulation if she bought the bait and turned the phone into police the police might beat her down more by saying (a sponcer to most) an Apple iPhone has the ability to take pictures on a timer. (The future of technology and what it brings is scary)
I feel like that was cut as there was enough depiction of a person being terrorised. You can't say the police do that to in the time we live in while making a timeless classic.
I listened to James and Chelsea and skipped the podcast so I could watch the movie spoiler free, and holy crap it was fantastic. Please, please if you’re reading this go watch it if you haven’t. It’s SO GOOD.
I finally got around to watching it and I absolutely love how smart and determined cecelia is. Favorite moment was for sure when she dumped the paint on him
The scene that James is talking about at 16:15 about Cecilia not wanting to leave the dog Zeus behind, if I remember correctly, but maybe I'm wrong, she doesn't say "I don't want to leave you with HIM" but instead she says "I don't want to leave you with IT" which dehumanizes Adrian completely. I thought that was a very strong moment. But I might remember it incorrectly.
And guys, thanks for a great episode, as always!
I think it's actually "I'm not gonna leave you with that on" referencing the shock collar that Adrian put on Zeus. Which is a good way to show her trying to free both herself and the dog of Adrian's abuse and control.
Omgggg I actually teared up a bit at the beginning. I’m so so happy for you, James!
I know I broke my jaw in an accident a few years ago; I immediately leapt into action and used a notebook to write down short sentences, which probably helped the EMTs, but I had still had to go get my jaw set (morphine is the best; I felt nothing), jaw wired shut for a while, and drop out of college for a semester.
My mum had to translate for me (like rubbing my stomach meant I was hungry, and a few times, I did it to slip out of things I didn't want to do)
“We’re gonna have a live show on March 31”
If only they knew
They were so innocent
What about Hollow Man? Does anyone remember that Kevin Bacon movie where he's a scientist who becomes invisible. This was definitely better than that but the invisible still goes nuts.
20:01. I had a different interpretation about the shoes when I saw the movie. When you compare what she wears for most of the movie to the clothes she has in Adrian's closet, and the final dinner scene, it's all fancy dresses and heels, but none of it feels like it's hers, she's just wearing an extension of him, (and she did say that he controlled what she would wear). So I saw her decision to wear tracksuits and comfy pants and trainers was her autonomous decision to free herself from his influence and wear what she felt comfortable in.
watched it last night after seeing y'all posted this and gosh, it was so brilliant. the tension was intense. love hearing your points as you went through it.
I think we should all have a moment to think about how great this idea for a modern remake of The Invisible Man is.
i was in an extremely abusive friendship and when i left i was absolutely terrified that they'd commit suicide because when i left everyone realized that they were a trash can and also left.
I know no one will probably see this, but I just watched the movie today with my boyfriend for the first time.
When she's leaving the attic you can see her drop the phone down before she gets out herself, and then gets attacked by him. I explicitly remember this, because I was scared she'd land on it and crush it.
Oh, and some restaurants have cameras and some don't. It depends on the budget, the liability concern, insurance, etc.
I say this as someone who has a close friend who's worked in about ten different restaurants. Even when there are cameras, there can be blind spots, or only selected parts of the restaurant under observation.
This podcast isn’t long enough. There’s so much to talk about!!
The restaurant scene is one of the most shocking horror movie scenes I've seen in a while, along with THAT scene in Hereditary. Elizabeth Moss is amazing here, up there with Lupita Nyong'o and Essie Davis in Us and The Babadook with horror film performances.
James and Chelsea, congratulations on the engagement! #soulmates
I watched another review of this movie, and they point out during the scene where she kills the brother, one guy was sprayed by the little girl, and then she runs from the room and gets hit by an invisible thing from the opposite direction she was running. This means in that scene it was apparent their were two people in suits at that moment. Even further confirming that adiran was the master mind
It's funny how ambiguous that scene is, cause I figured he grabbed her by her hair and yanked her back, not that there were two people.
Watching this just as my Dead Meat in search of darkness blu-ray arrives at my door before school. Can't wait to see this movie, going with a friend, keep up the great work😁
The guy can afford to pay off EVERYONE and afford ANYTHING, it's the most believable part of the movie
Hey my godmother was the other producer in it so proud of her!
A few years ago I watched a video with Michio Kaku where he was talking about invisibility cloaks and how things like that would work. He basically came to the same idea like the suit Adrian is wearing but he also stated that it is basically impossible to make at the moment. The suit would have to be made up of small but powerful cameras all over that simultaneously are also screens to display the recording of the cameras opposite to them to be able to make it "invisible" from all sides. I think it's a really interesting idea, but yeah, at the moment nearly impossible.
SPOILERS!! Around 1:12:00 you mention leaving the guard in the parking lot alive. It’s not Adrien is in the suit-it’s his brother. Leaving the guard alive helps Adrien’s case that he was “kidnapped” and locked in the wall. It doesn’t matter if Tom goes crazy with killing people-it matters that Adrien looks innocent.
I'm surprised this movie wasn't about Drax.
lmao
Lmfao
That was a awesome joke.
He Has Mastered The Ability To Stand So Perfectly Still That He's Invisible to The Naked Eye
The DevilHunter, it was, you just couldn't see him because he was so still.
Perfect on this rainy day
If Invisible Woman isn’t just 180 minutes of Elizabeth Moss killing abusers, I will riot
I hear that Elizabeth Banks is supposed to be the character but that sounds weird, like why wouldn’t it be Elizabeth Moss?
This movie is a perfect example of the phrase "Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen." This movie hit me too hard... :(
I like to see longer podcast but I may be selfish wanting more which is amazing talent you both have at always being so intriguing and interesting
They finally remade that documentary about John Cena.
There is an added level of paranoia and horror that I think people who are victims of abuse would think of: the idea of you’re abuser is HAUNTING you as a ghost. That even after death they have full access to you. And this movie has that aspect of it until it’s confirmed that he’s still alive. It also plays into the invisible man aspect: ghost or suit.
P.s she’s gets them a ladder cuz James mentioned that he needed a new later (I forget why)
11:11 spoiler talk begins
Finally saw it yesterday and i have to say... Probably my favorite movie of the last few years. It is absolutely amazing. Absolutely.
I love how happy he is and Chelsea, his voice will defiantly make videos better. James your smile is so infectious in the best way.
2020 is a good year for James so far. His first break from working a million hours a week for so long, an engagement (or did that happen at the end of last year? Doesn't matter), he gets his higher voice back, and eventually is getting married
Hell yeah homie 🤙
A Potato Farmer they got engaged in September 😊
I felt so annoyed people kept saying the trailer for this spoiled too much by revealing that the Invisible Man was real. Like, hello? It was a modernization of the Invisible Man, of course he was going to exist. That was never going to be the twist or surprise. Anyway, I really loved the camera work and suspenseful elements added to this movie, it was exceptionally well done.
Also I do agree that there were definitely moments where there was no reason for people not to believe her.
Also Adrian left witnesses alive to intentionally frame his brother. It was also likely his brother who was at the house who she ran into.
Kiernan Shipka is also in the horror movie The Blackcoat's Daughter which is very scary and I highly recommend it if you have not seen it.
I loved the way the movie handled the subject of abusive relationships. It wasn’t gratuitous but it wasn’t glossed iver
When james named his four things that for a moment kinda took him out I was right there with him! But such a great movie and hes right those little things dont harm the over all too much!
1:06:44 idk where she knew cut but my mom (a nurse of over 10 years) said that when you slice horizontally you hit the artery but where she sliced vertically missed the artery.
Was just catching up on DnDnD when I got the notification! I'll came back after I see the movie.
You were absolutely right about that scene in the hospital, the brother was fucking with the guard for a while and she was behind him so she could have taken the gun earlier and shot him but didn't. You know this because when he turned to leave they then show her pick up the gun from behind him and chase after him. So she could have picked the gun up earlier
21:54 Him faking his death by pretending he killed himself is probably a reference to what many abusers do to their victims where they say they'll kill themselves if their abused girlfriend, boyfriend, wife or husband leaves them.
When the movie is so good you get a cathartic response to the ending just listening to the summary.
22: 20 seeing as you where talking about it, I would definitely recommend reading the handmaid's tale, it was a really deep interesting read, especially if you understand the context
Who's here from the spotify version were it replayed at 22 mind in?