I don't know man, i can't beat this scenario on Monarch. Tried as Celts: Got military alliances, annihilated western Rome but couldn't get to eastern one in time Tried as sassasinds: Really easy to pull barb factions into a war since you have so much gold. The Huns and Vandals annihilated everyone around and got lead with Victory points ( i was just a couple of turns short from getting Huns extinct however) Tried as Huns: got swarmed by sassasinds and died Tried as Ostrogoths: Good stuff but everyone (Huns, Franks, and of course Romans) went to war with me (which i don't mind, but) it led to me not having enough time to get the Romans Tried as Anglo-Saxons: Doing great, destroyed western Rome but Eastern one got VP victory because they have a lead and stupid AI's only seem to use stacks against me but between each other they send like a couple of units at time so Roman Cavalry just farms VP off of them. Franks: again everyone went mad: Huns against Sassasinds and Ostrogoths, Visigoths against Celts and Ostrogoths etc. Got western Rome but again couldn't get Eastern in time (they got VP victory again) Checked out Vandals: Worst position in scenario: surrounded by swamps and forests Thoughts so far: 1) maybe i should try Visigoths as they are closer to both factions but im afraid Rome will just swoop in with their legionaries before i get decent units up and running; 2) Stupid AI's can't just wage war against Rome, they gotta attack each other for some reason therefore Romans just farm VP from killing their units; 3) For some reason Conquering their cities doesn't take away Victory points from them, but gives them VP's while you're in a process of conquering because you're inevitably going to lose some units to their defenders. 4) Losing a conquered city for some reason counts towards elimination score which isn't fair on my opinion (they culture flip or something...repeatedly) so i just started razing them 5) Maybe i build too many workers, libraries and couple of marketplaces that i dont need here Edit: Tried again as sassasinds. Deleted some unnecessary buildings in the beginning of the game, put some additional cities early on and didn't build libraries therefore had more units produced. AI's are still pain to deal with. Even after you team up with them through military alliance they still go on to attack each other and even attack you after a while. After we dealt with Romans the Huns and Vandals sent their armies to my border which i fortunately noticed in time and counteracted with cavalry and warlords (a great combination, you kill the attackers with warlords and pick up the scattered and damaged troops with cavalry). Thanks to the knowledge obtained from previous runs i was capable at not only defending my borders and repelling the attackers but also exterminated everyone but Celts (VP victory 45220 points lol)
Some thoughts on new mic: -Super comfortable and convenient to use. -For streams and discord/voice chat games this is gonna be my go to. -Audio quality is clear, but it had a kind of tinny, far away sound here? I'll mess around with the settings and positioning and see if I can make it better. If not, I'll use my old mic for short videos. -It picks up a lot of background noise. Let me know if that bugs you. I think it picks up less lip smacking and pop sounds though, since it's farther away.
Background noise doesn't personally bug me since i watch these before sleep on my phone, but yea it kinda sounds tinny and that's more noticable when you raise your voice i guess?
Tales of your misdeeds are told from Ireland to Cathay. I reject your review of Crusader Kings. Love you Suede. Your channel will do well. I love your style.
Funnily enough, now that I think about it, playing as Rome is actually pretty easy here, despite them supposedly being the underdogs. Rome, both East and West, has what I refer to as an 'innate victory:' if nothing changes between the start of the game and the end, they're the ones that come out on top. This concept mostly applies to conquests 2-4, where in The Rise of Rome you must beat Persia in score to win (since wiping them out requires conquering almost every other civ in the game first and you risk running out of time) and in the Middle Ages the Abbasids hold Jerusalem, and you must take it from them early on or own/capture a relic and deliver it to win. With that in mind, you don't have to win here, just not lose. The Barbarians, however, must topple you to have even a chance of pulling a victory, which can be tricky when the two strongest civs (Celts and Sassanids due to a larger eco and tech base) are also the ones in the far corners of the map and have to make a massive trek to try. As another quirk of this map, it's big enough that some of the civs on it never run out of room to expand, and as such are much less likely to declare war because they never exited their expansion phase. With that in mind, the other civs can be safely ignored until they run out of room, then played against each other. Getting everyone to gang up on the Huns and the Sassanids will keep their armies far away from you, and you can jump their cities while they're busy if you feel someone is getting out of control. Trade a tech or some gold for a military alliance, let them die off one by one, dump all your forces on the last guy standing once they're worn out, and by the end the only remaining civs will be you, possibly your ally, and the Celts (since they're hard to get to). You know who hard mode really is? The Visigoths. Surrounded on all sides, starting on a mountain range, poor (zero) luxury and strategic and bonus resources, no room to grow, and no starting economy or tech base. You're scrambling for any edge from day one and easy pickings for your neighbors. That said, they're also the civ closest to the center of the map and the only one with borders with both Romes, so they have the easiest time removing the 'innate victors' assuming they survive that long.
The proximity to Roman factions isn't really that important. I love playing as Sassanids and they are by far the best faction in the game. They have the biggest amount of luxuries, lots of cities and a lot of land to expand. They get HC really fast and run over ERE in a few turns. Using diplomacy you can screw with WRE, taking their African towns, that are poorly defended. In the end Europe is in a constant state of war and you control all of Asia and parts of Africa.
@@VonKrauzer I agree with everything you say here. My last save file for them was on Monarch, and I'd gotten Barbarism by turn 27, researched Sacking and Military Leadership by turn 31, and had 5/8 native luxuries with the next two coming soon. It's currently sitting at turn 50, and I'm ready to curbstomp. The only challenge left is taking a city on the coast so I can build enough transports to cross from Turkey to Greece.
@@Quantumironturtle you don't really need it. Take over Levant and Asia Minor, get Alexandria and the other African town of ERE and that would be 8 already. Don't bother with Antioch though, it's better to avoid it. ERE tends to defend it really well and it's on the hill. Besides, you could have stolen barbarism from other barbaric factions. Techs that follow it are quickly researched. But either way, go wild, man! With hordes of HC and stable eco Sassanids are unstopable.
@@VonKrauzer I did steal it, and traded with the other civs for everything they'd researched. The reason I didn't get sacking at the same time was that no one else had researched it yet, so I was probably the first. The ships are for attacking the WRE, not the ERE, as without them I have to take the long road around the Baltic Sea and go through at least one other Civ to do so. It cuts a good 15 turns of travel time to go by boat.
You mentioned the cut Austria civ last video, and you also mentioned that they can be brought back. How about a playthrough with them, just to show them off? I can't seem to find any gameplay anywhere else
37:29 bruh i live in former anglo saxon territory, the state is actually still called lower saxony lmao so yeah we still kinda exist, just not as a barbarian tribe anymore lol
Hi Suede, Does the duration of a game affect your score at the end when you win and get a grade (eg. Alexander The Great)? Sometimes I leave my game on while I'm making some lunch and come back to it 20 mins later.
all these barbarian tribes kind-of still exist. The anglo saxons are the ancestors of the English, for example. (england literally means anglo-land), and modern english provinces reflect this (Sussex literally means south-saxon, same with Wessex and Essex, referencing the territory of britain that was home to the Saxons who invaded celtic britain after Rome fell, so the english are literally the anglo saxons, although obviously they mixed a lot with the celtic britons that they conquered, and then mixed a lot with the norman french who conquered them. there was also the whole danelaw shenanigans, but that would overcomplicate an already messy history rant. the Franks became the French, pretty straightforward connection there. The Visigoths made up a lot of the ancestry of Iberia. so while for some of these tribes, the descendants are not as clear as for others, almost all of them still exist in one way or another.
I'm sorry to break this news for ya, but the very language you speak is anglo-saxon : ) Chances are that you descend from anglo-saxons directly, with some scandinavian and celt mixed in.
I didn't really decide, kinda just went with whatever. But know that culture flips are turned on here, so I avoided taking cities that seemed liable to culture flip. And I guess I kept the cities when I needed a quick barracks heal.
There are no "Visigothic people" today. Both culturally and genetically Visigoths have been diluted beyond any sort of independent recognition. It's more accurate to say that numerous different cultures have small bits of Visigoth in them, but not in any overtly recognizable form.
Why are you using the "skip" command on all those low hp cav rather than fortifying? It's unreasonably maddening from my noobish perspective, but I'm sure you have a reason.
the fact that eastern rome survived means this challenge is bullshit and not thought through very well, the shit ai also survives as well as the well skilled human player sorry i think its an easy challenge never mind the demigod lvl because eastern rome also gets demigod bonus.
Fuck this fall of Rome bs play a single player game on Sid difficulty or one below, Pangea, 60% water, large map and mind fuck the ai. THAT I would like to see
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I don't know man, i can't beat this scenario on Monarch.
Tried as Celts: Got military alliances, annihilated western Rome but couldn't get to eastern one in time
Tried as sassasinds: Really easy to pull barb factions into a war since you have so much gold. The Huns and Vandals annihilated everyone around and got lead with Victory points ( i was just a couple of turns short from getting Huns extinct however)
Tried as Huns: got swarmed by sassasinds and died
Tried as Ostrogoths: Good stuff but everyone (Huns, Franks, and of course Romans) went to war with me (which i don't mind, but) it led to me not having enough time to get the Romans
Tried as Anglo-Saxons: Doing great, destroyed western Rome but Eastern one got VP victory because they have a lead and stupid AI's only seem to use stacks against me but between each other they send like a couple of units at time so Roman Cavalry just farms VP off of them.
Franks: again everyone went mad: Huns against Sassasinds and Ostrogoths, Visigoths against Celts and Ostrogoths etc. Got western Rome but again couldn't get Eastern in time (they got VP victory again)
Checked out Vandals: Worst position in scenario: surrounded by swamps and forests
Thoughts so far:
1) maybe i should try Visigoths as they are closer to both factions but im afraid Rome will just swoop in with their legionaries before i get decent units up and running;
2) Stupid AI's can't just wage war against Rome, they gotta attack each other for some reason therefore Romans just farm VP from killing their units;
3) For some reason Conquering their cities doesn't take away Victory points from them, but gives them VP's while you're in a process of conquering because you're inevitably going to lose some units to their defenders.
4) Losing a conquered city for some reason counts towards elimination score which isn't fair on my opinion (they culture flip or something...repeatedly) so i just started razing them
5) Maybe i build too many workers, libraries and couple of marketplaces that i dont need here
Edit: Tried again as sassasinds. Deleted some unnecessary buildings in the beginning of the game, put some additional cities early on and didn't build libraries therefore had more units produced. AI's are still pain to deal with. Even after you team up with them through military alliance they still go on to attack each other and even attack you after a while. After we dealt with Romans the Huns and Vandals sent their armies to my border which i fortunately noticed in time and counteracted with cavalry and warlords (a great combination, you kill the attackers with warlords and pick up the scattered and damaged troops with cavalry). Thanks to the knowledge obtained from previous runs i was capable at not only defending my borders and repelling the attackers but also exterminated everyone but Celts (VP victory 45220 points lol)
Some thoughts on new mic:
-Super comfortable and convenient to use.
-For streams and discord/voice chat games this is gonna be my go to.
-Audio quality is clear, but it had a kind of tinny, far away sound here? I'll mess around with the settings and positioning and see if I can make it better. If not, I'll use my old mic for short videos.
-It picks up a lot of background noise. Let me know if that bugs you. I think it picks up less lip smacking and pop sounds though, since it's farther away.
Background noise doesn't personally bug me since i watch these before sleep on my phone, but yea it kinda sounds tinny and that's more noticable when you raise your voice i guess?
Thanks for the second opinion. When I go looking for problems I always find them, so I don't trust my ear on these kind of things.
Literally 3 minutes beforw this I was watching like: hmm when will part 2 drop?
Tales of your misdeeds are told from Ireland to Cathay. I reject your review of Crusader Kings.
Love you Suede. Your channel will do well. I love your style.
1:14:00 or so, Aquincum is indeed in Hungary, its ruins are in today's Budapest.
Funnily enough, now that I think about it, playing as Rome is actually pretty easy here, despite them supposedly being the underdogs. Rome, both East and West, has what I refer to as an 'innate victory:' if nothing changes between the start of the game and the end, they're the ones that come out on top. This concept mostly applies to conquests 2-4, where in The Rise of Rome you must beat Persia in score to win (since wiping them out requires conquering almost every other civ in the game first and you risk running out of time) and in the Middle Ages the Abbasids hold Jerusalem, and you must take it from them early on or own/capture a relic and deliver it to win.
With that in mind, you don't have to win here, just not lose. The Barbarians, however, must topple you to have even a chance of pulling a victory, which can be tricky when the two strongest civs (Celts and Sassanids due to a larger eco and tech base) are also the ones in the far corners of the map and have to make a massive trek to try.
As another quirk of this map, it's big enough that some of the civs on it never run out of room to expand, and as such are much less likely to declare war because they never exited their expansion phase. With that in mind, the other civs can be safely ignored until they run out of room, then played against each other. Getting everyone to gang up on the Huns and the Sassanids will keep their armies far away from you, and you can jump their cities while they're busy if you feel someone is getting out of control. Trade a tech or some gold for a military alliance, let them die off one by one, dump all your forces on the last guy standing once they're worn out, and by the end the only remaining civs will be you, possibly your ally, and the Celts (since they're hard to get to).
You know who hard mode really is? The Visigoths. Surrounded on all sides, starting on a mountain range, poor (zero) luxury and strategic and bonus resources, no room to grow, and no starting economy or tech base. You're scrambling for any edge from day one and easy pickings for your neighbors. That said, they're also the civ closest to the center of the map and the only one with borders with both Romes, so they have the easiest time removing the 'innate victors' assuming they survive that long.
The proximity to Roman factions isn't really that important. I love playing as Sassanids and they are by far the best faction in the game. They have the biggest amount of luxuries, lots of cities and a lot of land to expand. They get HC really fast and run over ERE in a few turns. Using diplomacy you can screw with WRE, taking their African towns, that are poorly defended. In the end Europe is in a constant state of war and you control all of Asia and parts of Africa.
@@VonKrauzer I agree with everything you say here. My last save file for them was on Monarch, and I'd gotten Barbarism by turn 27, researched Sacking and Military Leadership by turn 31, and had 5/8 native luxuries with the next two coming soon. It's currently sitting at turn 50, and I'm ready to curbstomp. The only challenge left is taking a city on the coast so I can build enough transports to cross from Turkey to Greece.
@@Quantumironturtle you don't really need it. Take over Levant and Asia Minor, get Alexandria and the other African town of ERE and that would be 8 already. Don't bother with Antioch though, it's better to avoid it. ERE tends to defend it really well and it's on the hill. Besides, you could have stolen barbarism from other barbaric factions. Techs that follow it are quickly researched. But either way, go wild, man! With hordes of HC and stable eco Sassanids are unstopable.
@@VonKrauzer I did steal it, and traded with the other civs for everything they'd researched. The reason I didn't get sacking at the same time was that no one else had researched it yet, so I was probably the first. The ships are for attacking the WRE, not the ERE, as without them I have to take the long road around the Baltic Sea and go through at least one other Civ to do so. It cuts a good 15 turns of travel time to go by boat.
You mentioned the cut Austria civ last video, and you also mentioned that they can be brought back. How about a playthrough with them, just to show them off? I can't seem to find any gameplay anywhere else
Hey now, some of us still ethnically identify as Anglo-Saxons.
2021 is the year the visigoths make a comeback
On the topic of long casts where stuff gets buried. "Guess that's where he came from. That's where I'll go. Something something... Cotton Eye Joe".
I bury some of the dumbest non-sense deep in the longer casts hahah
That would be awesome if you Make a video explaining how to micro mange commerce, food, tiles... in details
37:29 bruh i live in former anglo saxon territory, the state is actually still called lower saxony lmao so yeah we still kinda exist, just not as a barbarian tribe anymore lol
And it's still quite common to refer to people as saxons here😅
in brazil one of the ways to refer to U.S.A + Canada is calling it Anglo-Saxon America
If I remember correctly, you can’t build a city in desert in this conquest. That could explain why you couldn’t build a colony on the incense
Ahhhh. Thanks for the tip.
@@suedeciviii7142 But You can build cities in desert in Mesopatamia and Rise of Rome scenarios which causes the confusion
I think the Visigoths tribes became the modern Spanish and Portuguese
visigoths just chill in iberia until the muslims appear
Hi Suede, Does the duration of a game affect your score at the end when you win and get a grade (eg. Alexander The Great)? Sometimes I leave my game on while I'm making some lunch and come back to it 20 mins later.
all these barbarian tribes kind-of still exist. The anglo saxons are the ancestors of the English, for example. (england literally means anglo-land), and modern english provinces reflect this (Sussex literally means south-saxon, same with Wessex and Essex, referencing the territory of britain that was home to the Saxons who invaded celtic britain after Rome fell, so the english are literally the anglo saxons, although obviously they mixed a lot with the celtic britons that they conquered, and then mixed a lot with the norman french who conquered them. there was also the whole danelaw shenanigans, but that would overcomplicate an already messy history rant.
the Franks became the French, pretty straightforward connection there.
The Visigoths made up a lot of the ancestry of Iberia.
so while for some of these tribes, the descendants are not as clear as for others, almost all of them still exist in one way or another.
Would be kind of fun if Japan didn't get that reputation hit for "sneak" attacking. (15:17)
1:31:00 roma civilization gets a revolution by civil disorders but survive to middle ages
I'm sorry to break this news for ya, but the very language you speak is anglo-saxon : )
Chances are that you descend from anglo-saxons directly, with some scandinavian and celt mixed in.
How do you decide when to raze a city or capture it? Watched on 2x speed and skipped around a bit so sorry if you’d explained it in the video
I didn't really decide, kinda just went with whatever. But know that culture flips are turned on here, so I avoided taking cities that seemed liable to culture flip. And I guess I kept the cities when I needed a quick barracks heal.
if you conquer a city military advisor tell. But this always lose people. Towns low populated can get destroyed by that
How do you pick Rome or Byzantines as the playable nation?
scenario editor, scenario properties, players, enable "human player" option.
QUIT SMACKING THEM DAMN LIPS BOI
Kidding though the audio quality seems much better now
What is this new pfp suposed to be, i got so used to the old one :P
It's not album art importantly, so I'm not using copyrighted material.
@@suedeciviii7142 my brain immediately told me it's the smash bros logo :D
There are no "Visigothic people" today. Both culturally and genetically Visigoths have been diluted beyond any sort of independent recognition. It's more accurate to say that numerous different cultures have small bits of Visigoth in them, but not in any overtly recognizable form.
Why are you using the "skip" command on all those low hp cav rather than fortifying? It's unreasonably maddening from my noobish perspective, but I'm sure you have a reason.
Depends on the situation. Sometimes if I fortify i forget about the unit though.
@@suedeciviii7142 If unit was low HP and You have fortified them once they reach full HP they will automatically "unfortify"
Separate continents based on tectonic plates not our culture. It’s standard and there aren’t any loopholes
Hmmm? Both are part of the Eurasian plate. Or do you mean north vs south America?
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the fact that eastern rome survived means this challenge is bullshit and not thought through very well, the shit ai also survives as well as the well skilled human player sorry i think its an easy challenge never mind the demigod lvl because eastern rome also gets demigod bonus.
They are permantly allied, so if one survives and grows strong, the other will do too probably. But the byzantines didnt help a lot in the wars
Eastern Rome survived until 1453 wtf are you on about? Let me guess you're a Turk?
Fuck this fall of Rome bs play a single player game on Sid difficulty or one below, Pangea, 60% water, large map and mind fuck the ai. THAT I would like to see