The Rise of the British Empire Except it's Civ 3 and Britain is a Dry, Desolate Rock
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- Опубликовано: 16 авг 2020
- I promised some single player content, and here it is. The premise here is squeezing blood from a stone, getting the most commercial output from the sketchiest start.
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Clickbait thumbnail! Seriously though, I love unique starts like this - great stuff.
Not complaining as long as the video lives up to expectations, which it more than does, wouldn't you say? ;)
You didn't need to let London disorder, when you finish the tech, click on "what's the big picture", go to the first advisor and switch London's production with a right click, this happens before the cities production, so you wouldn't finish the temple.
Ah damn. I'm not used to doing city screen hacking. You're right though.
The Lighthouse is Commercial, Expansionist and Seafaring. You're the English and they are Commercial and Seafaring.
So it ticks both boxes giving you a golden age. Yeah, I have to look it up all the time too. :)
The problem is I don't look it up and often it just happens
This is a fantastic channel, man. Thank you very much for sharing it all. You got me into this game (again).
:)
I'm not usually so interested in single player videos, but this one completely has my attention. I'd never manage this start on Emperor and have no idea how you will make some of your other islands remotely productive.
Nice! I really enjoy these videos where you play against the AI on high difficulty! :) I was a bit dissapointed that the Sid video relied on heavy exploits though, I would love to see more normal games VS the AI on deity or sid (even if you lose) :)
its so fun watching you, i am mega noob since i was a kid, just build all the buildings will try to learn from your fix game file videos
42:03 da... fuq? O__O that is positively insane!
EDIT: I know AI overvalues that kind of tech, but still, wanting nearly 2k gold for a tech in 1000BC is insane... most people don't have that kind of money, and in fact you probably wouldn't either if you didn't so aggressively scout and trade! Remember kids - tech trading is king! Love the way Suede puts it though - "if you trade with a civ, only this civ and yours benefit, the rest don't" :-)
Nice work on the GL build. Those last few turns of any wonder build are the worst. I can't count how many builds I've lost out on in the last couple turns.
I had a previous attempt at this general strategy that ended like that :(. That's why I preselected enemy civs this game.
@@suedeciviii7142 I build my own civ 3 mod and it is so intense that if I fail to get the Great Library, I can pretty much forget winning. I've lost out by 1 turn so many times It's hard to count.
Sengoku rise of the Bongland
Love this title, Suede! And I love the challenge.
damn, perfect map for netherlands
52:05 Oh, interesting. I knew there was still some distance effect, but AIUI since Conquests it's way less noticeable than the OCN increase? I mean before Conquests people would use up a free palace jump to the other side of the map, or exploit ring city placement, but all of this is dead AIUI (in fact you even mentioned it about RCP in another video). From what I've seen on CivFanatics, one should get FP as early as possible, and it doesn't matter that much if it's in a city close to your core? In practice, I still try to make my FP on the "second ring", towards where I'm expanding (or going to be), but it depends on my current govt (I guess FP more effective once despo penalty is lifted?) and how productive such cities are - if they're too small or corrupt I'll generally prioritize getting FP "at all", no matter if it's close from Palace, but I didn't experiment on the topic and am not sure if it's optimal :-)
Cool title!
Press enter when you're in a trade screen if you don't want to make any trade and want to instantly exit out of the screen. Works even if you have stuff on the table.
Hi Suede, any chance you're planning to do a video on the Sengoku scenario at some point in the future? I'm a relative noob and have tried it 2-3 times on Monarch with no success, even with embassies and constant gift-giving the War Council vote always goes to the other civ that built it. Would be curious to see what you make of the starting positions and tech tree.
I've done it twice on stream, so it will be a while from now, but yes.
So it's just regular England minus the rain?
Hey that's not true. My island has culture
@@suedeciviii7142 *still has
Bro, would you play a game on a huge pangea map (60% water) at least on monarch difficulty level with all victory conditions on (except for wonder victory)? Your goal would be to achieve conquer or domination victory. Once you said that you don't like playing on big maps, but these rules that I mentioned sentence before are my favorite to play for me and I would be very happy to see this kind of game played by you.
A huge map on Monarch would just make it too easy for a human. It could be played as AW and not really be a strain. Conquer would be be a phony condition as you would have to let a lot of land be empty to prevent domination. AWE would be more fun to watch.
England is so much fun to play. Their Man-O-Wars are OP in niche scenarios
I'll say they're the only ship that can consistently shred through an enemy's galleon and all the escorts on top of the galleon. But having vision and knowing where they'll come from is the hard part.
@@suedeciviii7142 True. They'd be even more useful if AI knew how to do naval invasions. But the fact you can build 1 and then just have a fleet by enslaving a bunch of ships, and at no additional unit support cost. Whew lol
Suede why don't you use CAII or CRP? They save a lot of the hassle for trades. All they have to sell in one picture. Same info as you get from going around the horn to check with all your contacts. Could you enable the grid, easier for us to see the tiles and count distances.
Any chance of your recording in HD?
I would have settle on the desert, it is basically +1 useable tile at the start.
I've thought it over and it really depends what you're going for. Planting nearer to the coast gives you a lot more commerce mid game. Having the extra inland desert tiles is useless until you get railroads. And planting nearer to the coast increases to total output of my main island, since otherwise these tiles are inaccessible.
But planting on the desert tile would get me 2 extra shields early: one from the mined grassland, and one from the city center tile once I hit size 7. Only one of those would help with building the Great Lighthouse, but that's a significant factor, I could have easily been beaten to it.
Fun map :)
5:05 Now you see the goodie hut, now you don't
Hype!
The ending was great. I was nervous he wouldn't get the GL. Looking forward to the next part.
Is there a link to join the multiplayer discord?
Here: discord.gg/teVt5pt
Can somebody explain how he got the free tech and did that thing with getting the shields. Don’t really understand how that worked
Free tech is from philosophy. The shields for G Lighthouse come from a prebuild. You can change what you're building in civ 3 without losing shields, so you can effectively start building something before you finish the tech that unlocks it.
@@suedeciviii7142 thank you. That’s pretty cool and good to know
Noice!
Isn't Britain in real life *a* *_Dry_* , *Desolate* *Rock*
No it rains
Suede CivIII still desolate tho :p
Golden Age on Despotism yaaaaay \o/
I had to convince people on my stream that not having iron as the Celts wasn't a disaster because at least I wouldn't have a despotic golden age.
@@suedeciviii7142 Yeah imagine if you got the option of not accepting a golden age, ancient UU's would actually be viable...
@@chincherrinas I don't think ancient era GAs aren't viable you just have to be able to use them to get some permanent advantage. Usually that means either conquering or building key wonders.
@@suedeciviii7142 Yeah I was definitely exaggerating. Alexander gets Pikemen waaaay too early, definitely not useless. And mowing down ancient civs with Immortals was my childhood strat haha.
@@chincherrinas Depending on your playstyle it could be useless. Like, if you're so unwilling to take a golden age that you do not build or fight with your UU, then yeah, it's pretty much like not having one. Although at least you can trigger a GA when needed, unlike, say, America.
Your spawn island looks like the UK
How do you run CivIII? Can you run it okay on windows 10?
Yup! Just had to reduce my computer's resolution.
@@suedeciviii7142 Thanks a lot for the tip, I never tried that.
It's just so weird watching you move units with your mouse :( Also, civs don't *always* spawn where you find luxuries.
There's a general correlation. Usually bigger continents with more players have more lux. And with very few exceptions, you won't just find a luxury on an uninhabited island in the middle of the ocean.
I honestly can't do it any other way. I can't imagine people actually use the keyboard to move units XD
@@zerosheflies4269 There's a bunch of benefits to it in multiplayer so it's often a habit for me.
@@zerosheflies4269 back in Civ1 it was easier to move them with the keyboard, so that's how I've been playing the since then.
dry land? ez, use celts... oh wait.
God agri would be a godsend here. Cheap aqueducts and +1 irrigation on deserts... oof.
@@suedeciviii7142 btw. i just saw the first 10 mins and alr saw a lot of great pro content here. really nicely done right at the start. i especially love how you used the ships by going into deep water and ending it on the coast. its just a small detail but something newbs might miss out on (and it can be a huge thing too if you know how to read the map properly). the tech trade with the a.i. is often a tricky thing. your way of doing it actually worked very well! i often just trade for gold only when i know they will trade it anyway, but when a civ is isolated and doesnt have many trading civs i try to let em fall behind in tech.
islands works really well on higher difficulty. the settler bonus doesnt snowball that hard then (i think its +1 settler on demigod and +2 on god, right?).
@@Daxter250 I don't like letting civs fall behind because then I'll have fewer people to trade with later on. If they have no techs, they build nothing but units, they go broke from unit support, and the problem compounds itself. Better to keep things more level so one AI doesn't run away with the game, and so I can trade for gold and techs from that civ I lifted up early on.
They get +2 settlers on sid (+1 on deity/demigod)
@@suedeciviii7142 i always destroy the civs that get behind and take over their land >:). when you play on massive maps with 16 civs it doesnt matter so much if some civs fall behind. i guess the smaller the map the more different ya gotta play.
oh on deity its also only +1? oh wow, in the old version vanilla version (without the add ons) the highest one was deity and that gave the a.i. +2 settlers. the difficulty sid wasnt even implemented there.
nice lighthouse rush btw. xD. i could almost feel ther intensity when a worldwonder was constructed just a few turns before ya lighthouse xDDD.
The seed for lazy people if you want to copy/paste: 76816080
Could you please talk like 30% more in your videos? I'm trying to listen to you as a podcast on my hour commutes, but without watching, I can't get a whole lot of it.
I can but not in extended playthroughs like these, there's just too much space to fill. Well, maybe. I can start weaving in more anecdotes/off topic stuff if that works.