I totally agree with you re having a subwoofer. Our ears hear sounds much lower than virtually all regular loudspeakers and monitors will produce, so why wouldn’t people want to be able to hear what’s going on in productions. Like you say, it’s not about having more bass although, being pedantic, there will be more bass but it’s only because of the extra extension you will get form adding a sub. Life is full of subsonic noise... just like many tweeters go way above the human hearing range - there’s a reason they do, it’s all about not being able to detect cut-off, which also adds to the overall sonic ambience. Go into any high street and take note of a large HGV lorry moving along in heavy traffic, few speakers (other than subs) will be able to reproduce the low end frequencies you’ll be hearing from the lorry’s exhaust note alone. Many synthesisers are capable of producing incredibly low frequencies, so I’d say it’s best to be able to hear them as they should be heard.
I appreciate your channel. Many of the audio channels out here have a snooty, know-it-all vibe. In your case, you clearly know a lot, yet are sharing the info in a way that is helpful and not self-serving. I'll keep watching!
Adam. I'm planning to get a pair of Yamaha HS7, which is a cheap studio monitor. I'll use it mainly for playing music or guitar with amp sim. I don't record or mixing anything. It just happens nowadays I prefer a flat frequency speaker for my PC than a multimedia one. My room, where I put my PC, is just a normal room and doesn't have any sound dampening material like studio. If I put HS7 in my room, do you think it will sound more awful compared to multimedia speaker ? Do you think I need a subwoofer ? Thanks for your answer.
Thanks for the video! I'm considering getting a subwoofer as my 5" monitors lack some low end. My room is pretty small though, so still figuring out how I would go about setting it up properly.
@@Saleca Thanks! I discovered that soon after my comment. I went out and got the KRK 12S2 and gotta say that I'm really pleased with it. Delivers proper low end even at low volumes, so keeps me and the neighbours happy!
Really insightful video, thanks for this. I'm currently trying to work out what purchases to make for my studio and I'm really struggling on the monitor part of it. I've narrowed it down to either Yamaha HS8's or Presonus E8 XT's and no sub, or an E5 XT + a sub. Thing is, the room isn't great - maybe 12 square meters and all the conventional knowledge says get smaller monitors and definitely have no sub. But bass is really important to me, not like emphasized and overpowering bass, but like you talked about: even representation all the way down. It's doing my head in trying to make this decision, but if what you're saying here works then there might be a chance. I might just buy a sub and reference 4 no matter what monitors I end up choosing, then do my best at treating the room and see how far that gets me.
I’m using the JBL 308 monitors currently. Thoughts on those and what I might be missing? I’m feeling like I’m still lacking detail I want on my high and low end.
i agree what kind of music do you make? I had the same monitors and returned them because the low end wasn't making a significant difference and punching enough. If you make hip/hop or bass house I'm thinking a decent sub can get that low end I want. Everyone says headphones works fine but eventually I think you hit a plateau and I'm thinking a sub/acoustics is the last step. You figure anything out?
Hi, I am Lilo Kwanza From Angola(Africa) so, i was watching your video and i got some question for u! appart Adams subwoofers which one would u use??? which brand and why?? i used to see their products on instagram but since i never saw people using, i thought were not nice products for studio... u just use Adam's subwoofers or u use their monitors as well???
Hey did you do that next video on subwoofer placement?? Also can you do something more detailed on measurement like you were talking about with the pink noise?? Thanks.
I'm surprised that you've gone down the 'sub + smaller speakers' route, because on video at least, your room looks relatively large. I'm looking at doing the same, borrowed a friend's sub before he sold it to upgrade and the transformation to the quality of the sound in my [partly treated] room was remarkable. And that was with 8" mid/bass driver monitors, so not the smallest of speakers. Everything sounded and weirdly even felt just far tighter and more even from about 150 Hz down. I know it's often said that 'bass isn't directional so sub placement doesn't matter' [don't think I completely agree, matters less is probably closer to the truth]. Do you think the position of the woofer in the sub matters, woofer on the bottom compared to on the front?
Hi, I am thinking of getting a second Sub8 for my setup. Will there be significant improvement compared to just one. Hope to hear your thoughts on the idea.
I have a pair of Adams T5V. They're set up in a home office environment and sound 'good' but could a sub improve matters in the mid to high end? They're sat on a desk very near the wall and as it's a working office / hobby room (12'x10'), room treatment just isn't going to happen. I'd like a T10s sub but cost is prohibitive. What third party subs in a lower price bracket would you recommend to go with the T5Vs? Thanks.
A sub would be a terrible idea in that environment, if you’re already in a box room. Treatment is possible, even if it’s just acoustic foam mounted in a temporary way (picture pin in the wall, CD glued to the back of the foam panel) or some loft insulation under the desk
@@adamsteelproducer Thanks for your brutal honesty - at least it'll save me some £££s! Loft insulation under the desk? I'll have to look that up. I always assumed that acoustic panels would increase the low end - are you saying it'll brighten up the mids/highs?
@@adamsteelproducer ... actually, you know what? - I hadn't yet listened to the Cocteau Twins on them. I have now. The monitors / room needs no correction! :-D
Hi Hot Pole Studios, just came across your video on my search for a subwoofer to use in conjunction with my NS10’s:-). Are you still happy with this Ada, subwoofer? Would you still recommend it perhaps with the NS10’s? Thanks in advance.
can anybody chime in please, i have some adam audio a8x 8" and recently bouht a adam t10s to pair with the a8s, did i make the right purchase? i deal with a lot of 8098s sub bass etc i am new to this.
Don’t see why that would be a problem- the only difference between active and passive speakers is where the amps are. As long as your setup is calibrated, maybe with a crossover in the right place, there’s no mess
@@adamsteelproducer thx for reply, ok I would need cross over to make it work , right. I'm still debating here. the speakers here have an amazing cross over, I was a bit unsure about mix and match aspect. thx
Hello, I have my sub Adam 10 "MK2 And ADAM S2V couple in my homestudy, the fact is that I have it in the center between my two monitors, under my desk, if I leave it with the 0 ° phase and with sonarworks, the graph gives me a + -3db waveform up and down, between 100 Hz and 28 Hz. And if I change it to phase 180 °, I have a +6 dbs rise in the graph, from 80 Hz at 28 Hz. No waveform, all this measured in the whole room The question is that with phase at 0 °, as the graph says, At ear, I perceive less serious, and with the phase at 180 ° I perceive more serious. My question is, which of the two configurations do you think would be in the correct phase? I'm lost.
I love sub woofers but is it not flawed if you mix for sun woofers and then people who buy the music don't own sub woofers ? Don't get me wrong I think everyone should invest in sub woofers and a dedicated sound setup ... But most people want music on the go on trash headphones
You can always turn it off to check without, but no I think you’re missing the point. A good mix sounds good on a full range system and a set of small headphones
You don’t mix for sub woofers, but they are supposed to play those low frequencies that you can not hear or feel on your small nearfields. If you can not hear the low end of a kick you will most definite try to compensate for it while mixing, and than you end up with boomy mix in your car. So, subwoofer in studio is not to give you your HiFi stereo feel but to enable you to extend what you actually hear of feel in your low end.
There’s no reason they wouldn’t match. But I would say the sub 12 is far higher quality and over time you would want to replace your main monitors with something far higher quality to match like a set of Adam S3V
fuck this. you should not have to tweak hz´s here and there post-production or whatever....ALL YOU NEED IS if whatever you record sounds good in your car stereo..it´s fine
😮Complete bullshit. You don’t need a subwoofer for mixing, and are most likely hurting your mixes by incorporating one. Professional 🎉studios in large part don’t use them (for mixing anyway). NS10’s, the industry standard for decades, only got down to 60hz, which still covers the fundementals of bass. Jarre could not be a more irrelevant voice on the subject, and dusting him off will not fly here. The strategy is to have other references-another pair of reference monitors, hifi speakers, quality headphones…your phone, these are all indespensable for mixing. Now, if you can calibrate your room and monitor + sub setup properly, I wouldn’t argue against having one as an added reference, but it still wouldn’t be necessary to have and should stay switched OFF the majority of the time.
I know it’s a bit of an odd situation, but I’ve tried to keep this video a bit vague as to “why would you have a sub of ANY brand” where the next one is a very obvious one about subwoofer placement featuring Adam speakers as a paid placement
Mixing with my Adam A5's, there's no way I could get the bass right without a sub. For me, it's invaluable.
I totally agree with you re having a subwoofer. Our ears hear sounds much lower than virtually all regular loudspeakers and monitors will produce, so why wouldn’t people want to be able to hear what’s going on in productions. Like you say, it’s not about having more bass although, being pedantic, there will be more bass but it’s only because of the extra extension you will get form adding a sub. Life is full of subsonic noise... just like many tweeters go way above the human hearing range - there’s a reason they do, it’s all about not being able to detect cut-off, which also adds to the overall sonic ambience. Go into any high street and take note of a large HGV lorry moving along in heavy traffic, few speakers (other than subs) will be able to reproduce the low end frequencies you’ll be hearing from the lorry’s exhaust note alone. Many synthesisers are capable of producing incredibly low frequencies, so I’d say it’s best to be able to hear them as they should be heard.
I appreciate your channel. Many of the audio channels out here have a snooty, know-it-all vibe. In your case, you clearly know a lot, yet are sharing the info in a way that is helpful and not self-serving. I'll keep watching!
I'm adding a Sub10 to my A7X monitors today. This video is GOLD! Thanks for posting!
How are u liking the sub10??
Adam. I'm planning to get a pair of Yamaha HS7, which is a cheap studio monitor. I'll use it mainly for playing music or guitar with amp sim. I don't record or mixing anything. It just happens nowadays I prefer a flat frequency speaker for my PC than a multimedia one. My room, where I put my PC, is just a normal room and doesn't have any sound dampening material like studio.
If I put HS7 in my room, do you think it will sound more awful compared to multimedia speaker ? Do you think I need a subwoofer ?
Thanks for your answer.
Thanks for the video! I'm considering getting a subwoofer as my 5" monitors lack some low end. My room is pretty small though, so still figuring out how I would go about setting it up properly.
he has a video on that
@@Saleca Thanks! I discovered that soon after my comment. I went out and got the KRK 12S2 and gotta say that I'm really pleased with it. Delivers proper low end even at low volumes, so keeps me and the neighbours happy!
Really insightful video, thanks for this. I'm currently trying to work out what purchases to make for my studio and I'm really struggling on the monitor part of it. I've narrowed it down to either Yamaha HS8's or Presonus E8 XT's and no sub, or an E5 XT + a sub. Thing is, the room isn't great - maybe 12 square meters and all the conventional knowledge says get smaller monitors and definitely have no sub. But bass is really important to me, not like emphasized and overpowering bass, but like you talked about: even representation all the way down.
It's doing my head in trying to make this decision, but if what you're saying here works then there might be a chance. I might just buy a sub and reference 4 no matter what monitors I end up choosing, then do my best at treating the room and see how far that gets me.
Great information man I just started not liking my mixes as i heard em in other speakers and was wondering if a subwoofer would help get better mixes
I’m using the JBL 308 monitors currently. Thoughts on those and what I might be missing? I’m feeling like I’m still lacking detail I want on my high and low end.
i agree what kind of music do you make? I had the same monitors and returned them because the low end wasn't making a significant difference and punching enough. If you make hip/hop or bass house I'm thinking a decent sub can get that low end I want. Everyone says headphones works fine but eventually I think you hit a plateau and I'm thinking a sub/acoustics is the last step. You figure anything out?
Hi, I am Lilo Kwanza From Angola(Africa)
so, i was watching your video
and i got some question for u!
appart Adams subwoofers
which one would u use???
which brand and why??
i used to see their products on instagram
but since i never saw people using, i thought were not nice products for studio...
u just use Adam's subwoofers or u use their monitors as well???
In the beginning he said that he is using Adam monitors since some years. I think a7x or something
Thanks for the education about subs. Very helpful.
Very informative! Answered all my questions super easily. Thank you!
Nice info
Hey did you do that next video on subwoofer placement?? Also can you do something more detailed on measurement like you were talking about with the pink noise?? Thanks.
2 of these would be dope.
I have read that the crossover point on those specific monitors are 50 and not 85 as you mentioned. I have the same ones. Maybe I’m mistaking?
the subwoofers are providing the 85hz filter externally, making that the crossover point and clearing up the low end dramatically
I'm surprised that you've gone down the 'sub + smaller speakers' route, because on video at least, your room looks relatively large.
I'm looking at doing the same, borrowed a friend's sub before he sold it to upgrade and the transformation to the quality of the sound in my [partly treated] room was remarkable. And that was with 8" mid/bass driver monitors, so not the smallest of speakers. Everything sounded and weirdly even felt just far tighter and more even from about 150 Hz down.
I know it's often said that 'bass isn't directional so sub placement doesn't matter' [don't think I completely agree, matters less is probably closer to the truth]. Do you think the position of the woofer in the sub matters, woofer on the bottom compared to on the front?
www.genelec.com/monitor-placement
Hi, I am thinking of getting a second Sub8 for my setup. Will there be significant improvement compared to just one. Hope to hear your thoughts on the idea.
Not sure it will be “significant”, at higher volumes they will be more linear and I think you will notice the stereo feel
Hi, I have the A7X and dual sub8. I would like to know the settings on your monitors and subs.
Wow! Really useful info, you have a new subscriber! 😀
How good can a PreSonus Temblor T10 subwoofer be for an Adam A7x? I think the Adam Sub10 is very fragile without a grid and even expensive.
Love your studio man!
Thanks - awesome user name by the way ;)
I have Same speaker , Adam a7x and Adam Sub 8, Do you think it's good idea to use another sub ( dual sub ) ?
Do you have a video on room calibration like you mentioned towards the end?
Yep! ruclips.net/video/TE2NzSs7ZfE/видео.html
hiphop and r&b. i always used a sub with sattelites
Its the best unless u using 20,000$ 3ways
Thanks for the value
Do you have to get the brand as your monitors ?
Haha no, it’s just a good idea as they’re probably designed to work together well
Hop Pole Studios heard good stuff about the Yamaha HS8S? I currently have the HS7 studio monitors.
so why did you choose the sub8 over the 10 just curious cuz I have the same setup now
I wanted 2 in stereo and the 8 was in the right price range
@@adamsteelproducer noice i have a small room 20 sq meters so my jbl310s was too big hoping the 8 will be better
Great vid! Not enough of this out there :)
thank you thank you thank you
You didn’t explain why you went for the 8 rather than 10 inch as you promised 😢
Hey man thanks for sharing valuable information.
I have a pair of Adams T5V. They're set up in a home office environment and sound 'good' but could a sub improve matters in the mid to high end? They're sat on a desk very near the wall and as it's a working office / hobby room (12'x10'), room treatment just isn't going to happen. I'd like a T10s sub but cost is prohibitive. What third party subs in a lower price bracket would you recommend to go with the T5Vs? Thanks.
A sub would be a terrible idea in that environment, if you’re already in a box room. Treatment is possible, even if it’s just acoustic foam mounted in a temporary way (picture pin in the wall, CD glued to the back of the foam panel) or some loft insulation under the desk
@@adamsteelproducer Thanks for your brutal honesty - at least it'll save me some £££s! Loft insulation under the desk? I'll have to look that up. I always assumed that acoustic panels would increase the low end - are you saying it'll brighten up the mids/highs?
@@adamsteelproducer ... actually, you know what? - I hadn't yet listened to the Cocteau Twins on them. I have now. The monitors / room needs no correction! :-D
Hi Hot Pole Studios, just came across your video on my search for a subwoofer to use in conjunction with my NS10’s:-). Are you still happy with this Ada, subwoofer? Would you still recommend it perhaps with the NS10’s? Thanks in advance.
Yeah they’re good subs, still use mine. They should work great with NS10s
@@adamsteelproducer thanks so much for the prompt response. That sounds really encouraging. Think I might go for it!!
Hi, Just out of interest where is the port on this sub? Is it at the bottom? As I have been unable to find any images of the underside. Thanks 😊
Yes it’s underside ported
@@adamsteelproducer thanks for the reply. Strange how it’s not mentioned on Adam audio website (or maybe I missed it) but it is good to know. Cheers👍🏾
can anybody chime in please, i have some adam audio a8x 8" and recently bouht a adam t10s to pair with the a8s, did i make the right purchase? i deal with a lot of 8098s sub bass etc i am new to this.
Is 28Hz enough?!
Utred??
Good
Thought i got no uses of em. Until i play synth with geetah....
great quality video and info
deserves more views
You should rename your Studio and Channel: Hot Paula Studios. Is way hotter!
Errrr.... that’s my mothers name, so maybe not.... :/
@@adamsteelproducer Oh sorry Mate.. I didn't know. Then: Not Hot Paula Studios.
yoooooooo they share my namesake too! cheers mate :)
my friendd sell ada a8x with adam sub8 , does it suit well doesnt it need bigger sub like 12, or sub 8 will do fine with adam a8x
They should work fine; you don’t “need” a sub 10 or 12, it’s nice to have but a serious upgrade
I Have the Sub 10 i think it has the proper headroom and i'm using the A7x
so , using an active sub with amplified passive speakers would be a real mess?
Don’t see why that would be a problem- the only difference between active and passive speakers is where the amps are. As long as your setup is calibrated, maybe with a crossover in the right place, there’s no mess
@@adamsteelproducer thx for reply, ok I would need cross over to make it work , right. I'm still debating here. the speakers here have an amazing cross over, I was a bit unsure about mix and match aspect. thx
Hello, I have my sub Adam 10 "MK2 And ADAM S2V couple in my homestudy, the fact is that I have it in the center between my two monitors, under my desk, if I leave it with the 0 ° phase and with sonarworks, the graph gives me a + -3db waveform up and down, between 100 Hz and 28 Hz. And if I change it to phase 180 °, I have a +6 dbs rise in the graph, from 80 Hz at 28 Hz. No waveform, all this measured in the whole room The question is that with phase at 0 °, as the graph says, At ear, I perceive less serious, and with the phase at 180 ° I perceive more serious. My question is, which of the two configurations do you think would be in the correct phase? I'm lost.
www.genelec.com/monitor-placement
so why did you choose the 8 instead of the 10? I didn't hear the answer to that one.
cause some people say 10 inches is too much but no one has ever been anything but impressed by an 8 incher
Hur hur hur
The real reason was budget based, I wanted to get two for a stereo setup and so two 10 inch subs was prohibitively expensive
yo my studio sub say...low pass freq..what should i set it to? 50hz to 150hz
Nelson Cartier In general the golden rule is to set it to double the lowest frequency of you studio monitors
I love sub woofers but is it not flawed if you mix for sun woofers and then people who buy the music don't own sub woofers ? Don't get me wrong I think everyone should invest in sub woofers and a dedicated sound setup ... But most people want music on the go on trash headphones
You can always turn it off to check without, but no I think you’re missing the point. A good mix sounds good on a full range system and a set of small headphones
You don’t mix for sub woofers, but they are supposed to play those low frequencies that you can not hear or feel on your small nearfields.
If you can not hear the low end of a kick you will most definite try to compensate for it while mixing, and than you end up with boomy mix in your car.
So, subwoofer in studio is not to give you your HiFi stereo feel but to enable you to extend what you actually hear of feel in your low end.
dude that mic is 300$? damn!
Chav car 'sound systems' that impress check out girls from Asda, or dub reggae and weed.
does a7x match the sub 12 adam? i have RCF mytho6 6.5inch and get sub 12 adam from my friend,, can they match correctly?
There’s no reason they wouldn’t match. But I would say the sub 12 is far higher quality and over time you would want to replace your main monitors with something far higher quality to match like a set of Adam S3V
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fuck this. you should not have to tweak hz´s here and there post-production or whatever....ALL YOU NEED IS if whatever you record sounds good in your car stereo..it´s fine
😮Complete bullshit. You don’t need a subwoofer for mixing, and are most likely hurting your mixes by incorporating one. Professional 🎉studios in large part don’t use them (for mixing anyway). NS10’s, the industry standard for decades, only got down to 60hz, which still covers the fundementals of bass. Jarre could not be a more irrelevant voice on the subject, and dusting him off will not fly here. The strategy is to have other references-another pair of reference monitors, hifi speakers, quality headphones…your phone, these are all indespensable for mixing. Now, if you can calibrate your room and monitor + sub setup properly, I wouldn’t argue against having one as an added reference, but it still wouldn’t be necessary to have and should stay switched OFF the majority of the time.
Thanks for the opinion! Looking forward to your video on it.
dude, your monitors are too high ... you cant benefit from the ribbon tweeters in any way...
You have no idea what you’re talking about.
@@adamsteelproducer CLEARLY he does not have a clue what he is talking about
just say it clear: this video IS SPONSERED by adam.
it's dishonesty how you twist and not putting it straight on the table.
No it isn’t. There’s another video coming in a couple of weeks that IS sponsored by them, and I will be making it clear in that video.
I know it’s a bit of an odd situation, but I’ve tried to keep this video a bit vague as to “why would you have a sub of ANY brand” where the next one is a very obvious one about subwoofer placement featuring Adam speakers as a paid placement
@@adamsteelproducer ok. thanks for clearing it up. best regards