Predicting Ultimate's Fighters Pass Vol. 2: 3rd Party Characters
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- How does the saying go? "The hype train has no brakes"? With a second Fighters Pass well under way for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, six more characters will get to join the fight by the end of next year. And we even know of the first newcomer already! ...Or at least which game they're from.
But that has left the Smash community wondering: Who else will be chosen to join Ultimate's second season of DLC? Does the surprise reveal that an ARMS character is headlining Vol. 2 change anything, or will this selection of fighters follow a similar pattern as the previous set? Let's take a look.
For this part, we'll be covering which third party characters are most worth considering for Smash over the next year and a half. Potential guest fighters have been a widespread topic for all of Ultimate's DLC run, with talk of which crossovers could happen next sometimes monopolizing speculation. Smash's decision process isn't as simple as chasing headlines, though, with makes this topic much more nuanced than it may initially seem.
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5:52 "let's see which third party characters are worth keeping an eye on"
*gets an ad for spongebob bfbb*
it's a sign
I´ll take your entire fighter pass for that to happen
Spongebob's ready for smash!
Better than anime/Fire Emblem/ another Pokémon rep. 🙄
but mario has 8 reps too
he is not eligible to be in smash because he doesn't originate from video games
Was LITERALLY just thinking of this and when it could come out lmao
Don’t give me hope for Quote to get in. At this point I would be glad just to have a mini costume with Cave Story’s main theme.
Well, at least due to Quote's proportions a mii costume with the Sans or Cuphead style would be possible. But of course, him being playable would be best-case scenario
(Also Curly)
Imagine you see the Smash reveal intro, the stage is all black, and then you just see
[A black wind flows through your body]
God he should at LEAST get a Mii Costume, but as a character he has SO much potential for an interesting moveset and playstyle, and that's without considering how much of a tryhard Pixel was when making the game! 5 years in development, he rebooted it once, he made a WHOLE music format like MIDI as well as software to make music for said format ON HIS OWN, and did the pixel art stuff when that was considered a thing of the past. Quote would be such a great pick, I really wish he happens.
if any indie character joins smash ultimate's fighter's roster it will be shantae
@@terrysyvertson9205 Nah, Quote is way more popular and influential than Shantae.
You described what they did for Steve’s moveset almost perfectly. How the hell.
THANK YOU for talking about Cave Story! Quote is my most wanted newcomer and I hardly ever see his name brought up in speculation.
I demand Tekken's Grizzly Bear. I wanna maul someone over a salmon!
Kuma would be cool.
ffiiggyy T. Piggy You know who is better than Kuma tho? Monokuma!
so Panda as echo or skin ?
You actually mentioned Quote! I'm over the moon that my boy is getting some attention. Definitely think he'd be a great indie choice
quote will not be the indie rep because shantae is way more popular
@@terrysyvertson9205 By that logic, it'll be Reimu getting in, because she's even more popular than Shantae.
I before A except after K Yeah true, and Reimu is even more deserving to join smash than Shantae even though I like Shantae too.
I am waiting for "mario sitting on a chair" to join
What about Mario pi-
6:15 Geno (From Super Mario RPG Legend Of The 7 Stars)
9:03 Steve (From Minecraft)
11:44 Lloyd Irvine (From Tales Of Symphonia)
14:26 Monster Hunter
17:32 Ryu Hayabusa (From Ninja Gaiden)
20:13 Rayman
22:46 Sora (From Kingdom Hearts)
25:37 Quote (From Cave Story)
Thanks no way I was gonna watch those adds
Ads*
Sad only 3 of these would I be cool with or I definitely want out of the list. Honestly my confidence in vol 2 is hopeless.
? isn't mario already in
Thanks!
Here’s what 3rd party I wanna see in Smash with the mechanics:
1) Phoenix Wright
Mechanic: his goofy playstyle, similar to his appearance in MVC3, but with less frame data. Tbh, I just wanna see an “Objection!” “Take That!” Final Smash.
2) Any Rhythm Game Rep. (Specifically either Hatsune Miku or Karate Joe)
Mechanic: Timed attacks.
Attacks that are strong or weak depending on a certain rhythm.
3) Reimu
Mechanic: Bullet Hell
Basically a lot of her projectiles would do little damage, but she can release multiple projectiles at will. She can also dodge projectiles much better than other characters.
That’s all I can think of other than the characters mentioned already and Shantae. I like Shantae, but what drags her down is both the indie situation and her costume choices.
YEEEEEEESSS PHOENIX WRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT
Agree with Miku as a rythm based fighter, thatd be really cool, only rythmic thing in smash was DKs final smash back in brawl lol
and reimu as a bullet hell fighter sounds cool too didnt thought of it that way but makes sense and would be unique, should be like fox laser or megaman lemons, no or very little knockback... (but could lead to someone like olimar who spams pikmins to rag up damage with low risk)
I really want Hatsune Miku, Tails, Steve, Amaterasu, or Monokuma (my top 5)
But I don't think any have a chance, just Steve.. 😞
I’m not a fan of people just copy-pasting Phoenix Wright’s MVC3 move set. There’d be a change in his move set to fit Smash. Mega Man was in MVC but they did something truer to the games he comes from to fit Smash and pay tribute to the Mega Man series. That said, Wright would be hilarious in Smash as he is in MVC.
Phoenix Wright is by far my most wanted character. He would be amazing. The music brought in would also be awesome
I honestly could see Agumon from Digimon being the 2nd Namco character. Pokemon vs Digimon is a classic 90s rivalry that would be great to see realized for the first time, and Agumon could stand out by being able to Digivolve throughout the fight, not only changing his moveset but also his size and weight class. I'm a little surprised that you didn't have him listed at all for all the potential Namco characters.
It would definitely be nostalgic for me
I was actually on Both sides with Pokemon and Digimon as a kid in the early 2000's
Ik, I'm Weird 😅
I'd love to see haseo or kite from .hack and Django from boktai
Kind of like a pokemon trainer/ joker fusion
Where base agumon is light and quick
He can.digivolve to greymon and is now a heavy/slow but strong attacks and has ability to digivolve back to agumon
And have a meter that you have to time perfectly to get wargreymon whos a light heavy with strong attacks kind of like arsen
They could do it by the stock, so each stock he loses he digivolves
That is one of my predictions, one of the lowest but is one lol
I don't care what Difimon, just adding a Digimon could be one of the best freaking DLC characters that Nintendo could have revealed, it could mind blow every fan.
I routing for Crash Bandicoot, I feel like his chances are really high, due to him being one top requested and Activison and Nintendo having a not so bad relationship, if he doesn't make it in I'll be okay with that as long as Rayman or Dante does I guess I'll be fine!
If I was a gambler I’d wager that Crash will be in the pass
Yeah I really want crash and Sora because they are such iconic characters and the most voted to be in smash (though that doesn’t really matter)
i’d prefer spyro to crash, he has a more unique design and better possible moveset, he also has really cool stage options and great music
I rather go for Spyro because he would play quite differently as a quadroped. The only real quadropedal fighter is Ivysaur. Pikachu/Pichu are so small that their stance is largely irrelevant.
I love Rayman Legends, me and my Dad just started playing it, hopefully Rayman gets in
My big gripe with these predictions is how safe they feel. ARMS was out of left field, and at the same time it wasn’t, it was unpredictable, and even though I’d really like some of these, my only expectation at this point is to be caught off guard.
I kinda agree with you. Yeah, a lot of these characters are people who are already safe bets like Geno, Steve, Hayabusa, and Sora, but I do think at least out of all of them Hayabusa and Sora has the better chance since we had Banjo-Kazooie beforehand so it's not impossible. Monster Hunter I feel has no chance as his game developers has said many times that they rather have the monsters be the promotional and not the hunter, which is why they were VERY unhappy when the hunter was put into Marvel vs Capcom Infinite. He's only a popular choice because of his games success and Ratholos being a boss in the game. Granted I'm not saying there won't be a Capcom rep. I'm just saying that Monster Hunter's chances are extremely low.
SapphireSword75 75 I’ve still got hope!
Edit: Also they could make the Hunters stage very Monster-Based to get the best of both sides
They're only "safe" in the sense that they're non-controversial to say to the community not that they're close to being accurate based on gathered unbiased information
Like fake leaks
@@elemomnialpha Each of them are safe bets in their own ways. Not saying they still have a chance, but they're all safe bets. Monster Hunter is a safe bet because of the game's popularity and Rathalos being a boss in the base game. Geno, Ray Man, and Sora being fan demanded characters for many years like Banjo Kazooie was. Lloyd and Geno because I think Sakurai once stated that they have potential(?) to get in or something. Hayabusa because he's one of the remaining golden era video game characters left, and IAmShifty boosting his popularity as well. Steve do to Minecraft's success and many things. Don't know about Quote though. That seems to be the most wild card out of the group in this video so I can't really say if Quote a safe bet or not. In the end I still think it's kinda pointless to try and predict the fighters. Mostly because of Nintendo's unpredictable nature and Sakurai's love for surprises, so while the safe bets *CAN* still happen it's also highly possible that the safe bets won't happen. It's literally like a dartboard, except the large single areas are now all small triple areas each representing video game characters from all the hundred different games in the world making it a low chance of the dart hitting the character you want. IE 1 in 100 chance any of them will make it in.
Wouldn’t really say arms was outta left field... most people thought they’d get a rep in the base game so it’s not really surprising that they’d get one now
Hello, LloydForSmash here, it makes me so happy that you give Lloyd the attention he deserves!! So many things are going for him. For instance:
-His Mii hasnt return even though there was ample time too
-There are absolutely no Tales Spirits.
-Pac-Man taunt has almost every Namco framchise in it, EXCEPT Tales Of.
-Scott Menville(Lloyd's VA) announced he was under NDA last september. Still hasnt announced what its for.
-its Tales Of 25th Anniversary this year. What better way to celebrate that then putting a character in gaming's largest crossover
-Tales of Symphonia's director is directly helping with Smash Ultimate.
It's all coming together😎
Except none of that really backs Lloyd specifically
The lack of Tales Spirits doesn't mean anything when there's no Tales content in the game at all, it's as valid as "they originate from a video game" in terms of evidence with how unspecific it is
Lloyd's costume could return with any Namco character or any JRPG like Terry's pack was centered around fighting game costumes and have been held back for that purpose
Pac-Man's taunt is missing quite a few Namco IP, Dark Souls, Soul Calibur, God Eater, Xenosaga, Digimon, none of them are present either
His VA work could be for anything, people tried to use the same thing as evidence for Shantae and it was for Fortnight not Smash
Even if it's the Anniversary it's also Digimon and God Eater's anniversaries this year and even then any Tales character could be chosen for that or just a Spirit event for several of the protagonist like Trials of Mana got
elemomnialpha you trippin if you are even slightly suggesting that digimon is gettin a smash rep 😂😂
Lloyd is a very cool choice for a Bamco character, but there’s one Bamco character (or actually characters) that I think most of the community overlooks (or doesn’t even know of at all)
Reiji and Xiaomu from the Project X Zone series, a series of Tactical RPGs that started on PS2 and then had 2 3DS exclusive games. It’s a crossover between Bamco, Capcom and Sega, but the original characters are owned by Bandai Namco
They’d be a Tag Team fighter, but unlike Ice Climbers or Pokémon Trainer, the other character can move would have a unique moveset and move and attack freely. You would be able to switch between the two, but with a cooldown. To balance them out, they would share damage so for example if you dealt 75 to Reiji and 50 to Xiaomu, they’d both have 125% damage.
Reiji’s fighting style has him switch between 3 elemental blades and he also has a shotgun and a magnum. Xiaomu wields two swords and two pistols and she also uses magic, bombs and even wrestling moves
The big thing is that they could incorporate is other characters that appeared in the PXZ games such as KOS MOS, Kazuma Kiryu and Dante into their Side Special, not everyone can get in and it’s better than just a Spirit, right?
Lol I had this idea forever, I wish they’d make it in, but I don’t see it happening
I actually quite enjoyed the Project x zone games so I would be perfectly happy with this happening.
Yo, I love Project X Zone! I'd love to see Reiji and Xiamou in the mix, KOS-MOS, too!
Lol Bamco! 😅
Lloyd 💯🙏👁 or yuri I'm good
Who's here after the Steve reveal for DOC Slot 7?
"There's hardly a gamer out there that hasn't heard of cave story." Hum actually...
I haven't
@@FumanyuX me too
@Scott Stamp Yeah but well.
i havent heard of it either
@@b9morion I feel less alone
I’m excited for vol.2 so I’m just gonna throw out my wishlist for the newcomers:
1. ARMS (I’d prefer Twintelle or Dr. Coyle, but Min Min and Misango would be incredibly fun as well)
2. I’d be pretty psyched with almost any Square character getting in smash. (Geno, Neku, Chrono, Lara, Sora, 2B?, etc.)
3. Same with the big boi shooters (Master Chief, Doom Slayer)
4. Another fighter/shoto (Tekken? MK? I think Sub-Zero could work best with smash’s kid-friendly nature)
5. An indie/smaller game (Shantae, Reimu, etc.)
6. An anime swordie (Ryu Hyabusa, Dante, Travis, 2B again, Lloyd, it doesn’t matter who if they’re fun)
7. random throwout: Amaterasu. I think she’s neat.
Mii Costumes: Steve w/music
Hollow Knight w/music
I’d also (unrealistically) like a DLC Xenoblade stage, I just really love the game.
I forgot, a Pokemon character is very likely, I just don’t have an idea for who.
Understandable but I disagree with you on one point I wouldn't want Steve to be a mii
Puts Reimu from Touhou in "Indie/Smaller game". Touhou is huge in Japan with around 20 or more games in her series, founded doujin and a famous doujin convention, Reimu got a new breed of flower named after her, and Touhou was one of the inspirations for Undertale.... Yep. One of the smaller games indeed.
If you need a Pokemon may I recommend
Toxtricity
Im sorry but Steve doesn’t fit as a miss custom, it triggers me when people say it fits him perfect when it doesn’t... He is way better as a DlC character
@@loliwolf9696 same
Your videos are always a highlight of the day! So glad to see you consider Quote having a somewhat-decent chance. If he got in the game, I'd probably cry. Cave Story was one of the first indie games I've ever played, and one of the first Smash Bros. Character concepts I've ever designed. Rayman would be a really cool addition, and I'd love to see him get revealed alongside the ARMs rep for a goofy trailer for a couple of long-reaching fighters!
That reveal would be super awesome, and super practical. I'd love to see Quote too, he totally deserves it. I have a feeling that Quote will end up like Sans or Cuphead though, his proportions work really well for premium Mii Costume.
Thank you for mentioning some new characters. Especially Sora who would be my dream come true! I’m glad that I’m not the only one who’s seriously considered Quote, too! But he’s not as popular a pick as Shovel Knight, the Knight from Hollow Knight, and Shantae. That shouldn’t be a knock against him, however. I’m glad that you’re in the Smash community cuz you’re so chill, easy to talk to, and smart.
Sora is also my dream! He'd be amazing to play as, and Cloud could have a companion from Square Enix.
@Israel Soares Cunha And it is glorious!!!
I really like your guidelines. I try to take most of these to heart when it comes to speculation.
I unironically want Steve, Minecraft has been such a big cultural phenomenon for the past 10 years! I'll honestly be happy if we get any Minecraft content. My other biggest wish would be any Hollow Knight content. Those two games are practically my only favorite games that do not have content in Smash already (practically because I also really like Celeste).
Edit: Steve is also a skin in Minecraft Dungeons, and he looks great! He even has an idle pose that could be used already, where he turns his head and looks around.
Man, I'm so up with you right there, I wish for Steve and Hollow Knight to make it into Smash one way or another
Commenting Commenter I would love for Minecraft representation, but a character feels weird to me. I’m in a similar boat with Geno... I would love for him to be added but he fits a sans-like mii costume so well, in which case you could throw someone else into the fighter pass. So they would seem cool to me, but, maybe not perfectly executing the pass? I don’t know how to explain it lol
Man i would love for Steve and the knight to get represented, Steve would be so unique and the knights move set is pretty much there already!
I don’t understand why would he Steve in the video when he literally made another video focused on him, I just feel like Steve has no character. He’s just your generic sandbox protagonist who is often overlooked due to custom skins and stuff. Where as the rest of roster is full of vibrant and memorable personality, Steve just comes up bland compared to the likes of mario, sonic, banjo ect. He’d be much better as a mii costume.
Brandon Williams Sakurai gave a plant and the Miis their unique style man, Sakurai can definitely work around that for Steve
Gotta be honest, a stage feels better for Minecraft but Steve definitely could get a unique moveset
Gotta love all these speculation videos, keep up the good work!
Very good video. I find it very well explained and of very good quality. Go on like this! The 3rd-party characters that I want are Agumon (Digimon) & Spyro the Dragon. (I am a big fan of Dragons since my childhood.)
I truly hope that if Steve gets in, they would use a variety of C418 music, and not just the ones from Minecraft. I can think of a few songs from One, 148, 2 Years of Failure, and many others I'd love to see included.
Epic
There is also that battle royale mode in Minecraft added a few years ago (least in the Wii U version) and that had some pretty good music so not that also something.
Also pigstep would be cool
Steve should only be a mii costume
@@terrysyvertson9205 Stop
Professor Layton, Geno, and Quote would be a dream 😭 I'd be so happy with anyone but they have been my pick for the longest time
Yes! A new Delzy video to start my day! I needed this bright spot!
Delzethin? I thank you so much for your slightly more frequent uploads~ XD, Keep up the good work!~
Thank God You Uploaded This, I’ve Been Starving For DLC Speculation.
Well Besides Tails, i love to see these characters in no particular order.
Amaterasu
A Digimon
Lloyd Irving.
Neku
Jibanyan.
And my Wildcard: Klonoa!
Others too but they're my main 6
You have good taste. You had me on a Digimon and Jibanyan
jibanyan, neku and klonoa have little to no chance
Yes sir
I would love yo kai watch representation anywhere. Even as like a spirit or mii costume
I am VERY happy that you're covering both of my most wanted characters! I have yet to watch the whole video, but I did notice them both in the thumbnail. Really hoping either one or both happens, you do a great job at covering characters and I feel one of my most wanted characters isn't talked about all that much in speculation anymore.
"The most likely of the Namco characters is... LLOYD!"
>Fist bump.
@POST MOSTI I’d be fine with either Tekken’s Jin Kazama or Tales Of Symphonia’s Lloyd Irving to get in as another Bamco fighter.
I mean I’m still hoping for Klonoa as the Namco rep. He can be a really unique fighter.
@@Gamermario-lb3rq Me too.
I would rather have Agumon than Llyod because I am a big fan of Digimon. Then it's just my opinion.
I recognised the Lloyd silhouette in the thumbnail and popped in immediately...
I don't care about him being another jrpg anime sword fighter, I still want him in...
I've wanted him since Melee, and that's just because I was a dumb kid who thought all games were connected and thought he was in it...
22:44
"Unlocking a *Way forward* "
Shantae?
" *SORA* "
Of course
Your work and your team is awesome! Great content! ;^)
Might I say how comfy these videos are? Much appreciated.
Great video! As someone who has advocates for Quote for ages I'm so glad to see someone else give great reasonings and a great moveset for my most wanted character.
I've wished for Lloyd to be in Smash since the GameCube days, and the fact that we live in a timeline where he's being seriously considered as a possibility is awesome
So, Quote would not be my first choice even out of the ones you listed, but that character concept is the coolest for sure!
Your guidelines always make me appreciate your videos more when it comes to Smash speculation. It’s not always about who’s popular, yet people still fail to see that.
but almost every character he picked is someone that's been handpicked by the smash community and circle jerked around for months
@@choodledee5961 I know right, at least with the first party video he had Euden but nothing in this one seems that he's actually bothered to practice what he preaches
My favorite 3rd parties are: Klonoa, Sora, Dante, Travis Touchdown, and Velvet Crowe.
evan robins who?!
I am ecstatic that you dedicated a section to Quote. As both a Cave Story fan and a huge proponent of indie fighters in Smash, Quote has been my top choice since Smash 4. I even put together a big Google Doc for what I think a Quote Challenger Pack would look like last year.
Another great video. Since we got Banjo & Kazooie I'm already happy, anyone else is icing on the cake. My next most wanted 3rd parties seem quite unlikely, being: Neku Sakuraba and Fayt Leingod, although I would love to see someone from Guilty Gear or Blazblue
I like how you used Mining Melancholy as the theme for Steve.
I actually think Ryu Hayabusa is the most likely out of all characters:
• Sakurai has actually played Ninja Gaiden before (I'm not making that up, he said he bought Ninja Gaiden on the Wii Shop Channel in an interview)
• Ninja Gaiden 3 was a Wii U launch title, and briefly an exclusive before being ported to other consoles
• Nintendo trusts Koei Tecmo enough to let them use their IPs (Hyrule Warriors and Fire Emblem Warriors)
• There are many Tecmo titles on the Nintendo Switch Online NES, including Ninja Gaiden
• There are a lot of Koei Tecmo titles on the Switch
• Many leakers are saying he's likely
• Koei Tecmo has actually helped develop a Nintendo game before, being Fire Emblem: Three Houses
• IAmShifty has even claimed Nintendo personally emailed him to not bring up "Ryu Hayabusa" with "Smash" anymore
• And my most striking evidence, Koei Temco literally helped in making a Smash trailer, being Byleth's
Koei Tecmo's direct involvement with Nintendo is only rivaled by Bandai Namco (who has a character in Smash already). I believe Ryu Hayabusa's inclusion in Smash is a matter of when, not if. But with the amount of attention he's getting from leakers, I'd say him being in Fighter's Pass 2 is a near-guarantee
im with u mate
You mentioned Bandai/Namco! I don't make a lot of noise for my one "impossible" hopeful but I wonder if for another 3rd party character, Smash could capitalize on the huge Pokemon vs Digimon rivalry from the 90s by including a Digimon character as a representative from that company? Digimon World (PS1) and of course the Tamagochi-like devises came out long before the first anime premiered in Japan. I think that technically means it originated as a "video game series" right? Hey. Maybe you could make a video about unlikely but possible characters that have grey origins as video game franchises? Love your channel!
I like the idea of "unlikely but possible" but I don't think there are that many franchises that could be debated on whether or not they count as video game series as it would be fairly easy to Google what their first release was
But then again this is the Smash community where people still think Persona Q2 and Final Fantasy Theatrythm don't exist so Cloud and Joker have never been on a Nintendo system so maybe a video like that would be nessisary for the Google impared
All I'm saying is Activision
TONY HAWK LET'S GO BABY
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@@twitchchat4088 Dante but with skateboard tricks
Honestly? I'd really like Monokuma.
Remember, Spike Chunsoft made the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games.
Now you are my man.
Kinda want the protags like Makoto and Hajime so we could have the Danganronpa gameplay integrated into the moveset.
does he originate from a video game?
Terry Syvertson Yes he does.
I love how he literally predicted like almost exactly as it is
26:25 I never thought you'd think of *THAT* Eastern Indie Series.
Though I'd personally choose her best friend the "Ordinary Magician". Not to mention that trying to balance someone who specializes in homing attacks even more than Sonic would be quite the uphill battle.
But what it could open for the soundtrack just might make the whole ordeal worth it.
I love how Steve is a frontrunner
12:03 Lets not forget Agumon (Digimon) on the bamco side. Originated from a V-Pet, would be great for the Pokémon rivalry side of things. Might not be the best member of his species to pull a moveset from, though.
Sakura Shinguji from Sega’s Sakura Wars Franchise for Smash Ultimate DLC 🌸
I think her chances are really good and not many people are bringing her up. Sakura Wars is pretty big in Japan, even had it's own cafe. Since the reboot just released it could be a good time for her to join
I like how well you touched on Ryu Hayabusa and Rayman's potential, but when it comes to Third Party characters, I prefer the underdogs that not many look towards like 2B from NieR Automata (I don't care about the criticism or roadblocks, I still want her) and Beat from Jet Set Radio. I like it when some out of left field character that isn't high on everyone's wish list gets in, because it shows that someone out there actually cares about them and wants them in.
there's no way jet set radio will get representation and 2b would only get in as a mii costume at most
@Terry Syvertson so not even Beat as a Mii costume or Jet Set Radio spirits for a Spirit Event? Heh, somebody’s close-minded.
You're an absolute king for bringing up Rayman. I think he's going to happen in this pass at some point, for sure.
(7:40) I actually like that idea. After you execute an attack, you can press a button that will make the attacks more powerful for like 3 frames or so; best to only use for slow attacks with long active hitboxes. - The issue is the buffer system; so the attack needs ending lag that is as long as the buffer. So if you press duing the ending lag, it will buffer another attack. Otherwise it will make the attack stronger. - Just to make it fair, you should also be able to deal that extra damage to an opponent 3 frames after they are hit too. So you get a 6-frames window to make it stronger. 1/10th of a second accuracy.
I feel like for the home stage of Rayman, Band Land would be the most-likely choice! Unique music-themed motif, iconic place and lots of potential with so much different ideas that could be incorporated like the bongo sticks, sliperry bars and wind trumpets!
Great video as always! Other third party I'd personally really like to see are Professor Layton & Phoenix Wright!
I know this is incredibly unlikely, but I'd love to see Beat from JSR get in. Other then Crazy Taxi, JSR is probably the most iconic Dreamcast originating game out there. Having a character with a unique movement system (with high forward momentum but slow stopping) would really help to differentiate him from the rest of the roster. They could have an Inkling like mechanic with graffiti, and have different sprays and boosts be the specials. Smash Attacks could be things like a large kick downwards, and grabs could involve grinding people against the skate wheels before throwing or kicking them away. Basic attacks could focus on the skates and dancing. The tricks you do while grinding or jumping could be inspiration for aerials and tilts, and there's a variety of options for taunts, victory animations, and alt costumes.
The combat would represent the game series pretty well, being a hit and run sort of character. You'd be attempting to space, until you see and opportunity and "tag" the opponent. Over time as you "tag" them more and more, you can do more damage and knockback. Your attacks would have a fair amount of start lag but very little end lag, meaning that you have to make the beginning of your attack count (but it's easy to escape when they manage to recover). The main issue would be recovery, seeing as I can't think of anything from the games that would suddenly launch them upwards. One rather silly idea though, would be that you could grind up a rail or wall that generates underneath the character. The grind itself would be short, and you'd be invincible in that time, but the launch off afterwards would leave you exposed if you don't grab the ledge or retaliate. Also, they'd be rather floaty in the air.
Honestly I just think it would be cool to have JSR in Smash. The music, aesthetic, and gameplay is so unique and really stands out in Sega's history. Shibuya Terminal from Jet Set Radio Future is a pretty iconic area, and would make for a great stage. The music selection would be excellent, and it would help to represent the very under-appreciated extreme sport games that ruled consoles in the early to mid 2000's, and still maintains a presence to this day. Also it could coax Sega into making a third entry, which would be a very nice side-effect of a reps inclusion. I know it's a *pipe*-dream, but I still hold a little bit of hope. He sits right next to Doom Slayer, the perfect Mortal Kombat character that I still want included in Smash instead.
JSR has an absolute fantastic soundtrack. I would die to see a remix of Sneakman or Concept Of Love
@@Komodo772 Same. Hideki Naganuma is a very under-appreciated composer in the grand scheme of things, Smash would be a great way to introduce it to more people. It's the same with the new Arms character Min-Min, the Arms OST is super under-appreciated
He would be cool!
"Grandaddy of them all."
But Shantae's older?
yeah, she's the grandmommy
Shikojen Yeah, she’s been around since the Gameboy hasn’t she? But seriously, I also really hope she comes in. She’s my second most wanted character.
I think Shantae is definitely the most likely indie character. Quote was a weird choice for this video.
Justin Champion Yeah. She’s had a great history with Nintendo, would provide a unique moveset with both her hair whip and Transformations, and Wayforward themselves have been very adamant for her inclusion.
Shantae was more of a 3rd party back in the day from a direct "Indie" from what I have seen, Wayforward seemed to become considered indie later on but even then they still feel 3rd party-ish with the work they did on Ducktales Remastered and all
These are my characters they are
1) min min or twintelle or ribbongirl
2) spyro or crash
3) rayman
4) shantae
5) master chief
6) 2b or sora or geno
*I see Shantae*
You have good Taste
@@scorbunnystaralicia5589 thanks
Well you called Min Min, and your other picks are great!!
@@s.p.d.magentaranger1822 thanks and i figured min min was a popular character in arms
#SoraforSmash!!
do you think spring man and ribbon girl could be the arms character with one of them being an echo but still only taking the one challenger pack slot
For Sora, I think a cool stage could actually be the keyblade graveyard
I was thinking dive to the heart, but there's a lot of stages they can do!
World That Never Was would be my big favorite pick. Anywhere on the Castle with a view of the partially formed fake Kingdom Hearts, or somewhere in the city area.
Twilight Town or Traverse Town could also be great.
Twilight Town would be mine
Yeah, especially when the background would change to those orange chains seen when Terra's armor fights Terranort
min min got the rayman stretch punches cover but the other things you mention is cool
Just like to mention a few things about Square licensing
1. Square doesn’t own Sora, Kingdom Hearts and all non-FF/TWEWY related music/characters is owned entirely 100% by Disney
2. Square is not exactly stingy, it’s just that art/music/designs of all the games are all owned by different people, which means that if not every single one of them agree, a certain aspect of a pack would lack representation. A good example is DQ, it’s very likely that Akira Toriyama was on board, which is why we managed to get 4 Heroes and all those monsters as spirits, while whoever owned the music was likely more hesitant on giving them to Smash
What you said about the music is 100% true. Koichi Sugiyama is known to be a HUGE dickhead.
If you were to ask me my ideal Cave Story stage would be the outer wall. It would be a beautiful thing to see the moon and clouds of the game’s title screen rendered beautifully in Smash.
A couple of characters I'd like to see your thoughts on are Travis Touchdown and Gordon Freemen. With a new No More Heros game coming soon and Half Life Alyx recently coming out I think their chances could be good.
I think Travis Touchdowns chances are super underrated actually. Everyone is sleeping on him. Good relationship between developers, solid history on Nintendo platforms with at least one exclusive, and a very unique moveset potential. The only thing standing in his way is some of the more mature elements of his games, but if Bayonetta can work, Travis is no issue.
My most wanteds aren't happening but I'd have to say out of the more "likely" guest fighters, I hope to see Lloyd Irving and Ryu Hayabusa. Big fan of both series.
They would be both great
Who are your most wanted?
@@Wallie33. Most wanted for me is Shanoa from Castlevania but we already have the Belmonts and I think Alucard and Soma would have priority over her if that series somehow did get another rep.
I'm hoping for a mage-like character to play but I can't think of any that have a good shot other than maybe Agnès from Bravely Default. 🤔
7:00 "The odds for [Geno] are the best now that they've been in a very long time."
A couple weeks later, and the odds are arguably even better now that we know for 100% sure that base-roster Spirits aren't a prison.
My 2 most wanted third parties are Phoenix Wright and Rayman, though I have started to accept that the former isn't as likely due to the competition he faces from Monster Hunter and Dante in particular. Rayman however I'm being surprisingly hopeful in, Ubisoft has 2 mii costumes in now and none of them are from his series. That could also be a bad thing I suppose depending on how you look at it, but I digress. Lloyd and Steve are also 2 characters I'd be interested in. (I really need to get back to playing Symphonia.)
Though I have taken the furthest back seat to character speculation, I still anticipate the next reveal. Curious to see what happens next!
Frontrunnerss are very hard to nail down especially because over all it seems to be somewhat based on whatever video game is coming out or is being talked about by developers. You know Dante when his gaimes are being re-released or Pokemon because the DLC is coming out a lot of smash speculation tends to run on recency bias. Except when there is little game news then the ground support for a perennial favorite will hijack the discussion.
Edit I just remembered that all the characters are already chosen and being worked on so receny should be more based on when the characters were picked then right now.
My Picks:
*Third Party*
Geno
Steve (Alex alt)
Monokuma & Junko
(Or just Monokuma with Usami alt)
Jibanyan
Amaterasu
Hatsune Miku
Shantae
Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, Min Min, Lola Pop, Ninjara or Twintelle
Rex & Pyra
Sora
2B
Hollow Knight or Hornet
Crash Bandicoot
Spyro
*Not third Party*
Captain Toad and Toadette
*Possible Sonic Reps*
1. Tails
2. Dr Eggman
3. Metal Sonic
4. Silver
5. Amy
Linkle
Bandana Dee
Birdo
Waluigi
Octolings
Eldegard
Why are the sonic characters in the non third party section?
Also just noticed you put Rex and Pyra as well as the ARMS characters as 3rd party?
I dont think they could make metal sonic sliver or birdoo into unique character s
@@awesomegaymer5786 metal sonic and silver have enough going for them technically. Its not too hard to imagine something unique for them.
Its not like they're saying they would be unique fighters anyways. Just picks this person would like to see.
@Scott Stamp she has games on the switch 🤷♂️ still a chance, she's be a unique and fun rhythm fighter and would be a good and unique inclusion
Btw people complain about the lack of females in the DLC, and she's a female so..
@@Alex-oc1fu Dragon ball fighters is on switch but obviously Goku isn't a good fit for smash.
Hatsune would be unique but she's not a video game character.
I know this sounds dumb but seeing Steve as a game and watch clone is both funny and somewhat logical.
Drink 2 pints of apple juice and we'll be on the same wavelength.
I’d love to see Geno, but two that you haven’t mentioned that I feel would be cool are Frisk from Undertale who could bring a cool fighting without actually fighting moveset, and Madeline from Celeste ! She could have a moveset based around using mechanics from the mountain, think Mr Game & Watch. I also just want some Lena Raine tunes in Smash.
I'd really appreciate having Amaterasu in Smash ! Her gameplay would certainly be unique.
Sora has a a Bayonetta move alright..
With those sweet costumes and even the stage callout!
Such a weird choice but thanks to quarantine, I got into Persona 5 (the original one from 2017) thanks to Smash, and now I want Makoto/Queen. I know, how could that work? She’s a spirit already! The series is already represented! But personally, I’d want it because I fell in love with her (I fell in love with pixels basically) from the start.
Cave Story is still my favorite indie game, and I wwould love to see Quote added in, and it'd be cool to see Curly added as well as an echo (though an alt skin is a lot more likely). But, with Nicalis's reputation, I dunno how keen the devs would be on letting him in.
B-but ....Shantae was the first... 😞
@@scorbunnystaralicia5589 first? first to what?
I personally think Steve is probably gonna be a spirit event if anything. He could be a fighter but he also works as a spirit
I'm routing for Yuri Lowell from tales of series but man... Lloyd would be AWESOME too! Not to mention MORE Motoi Sakuraba's songs like fighting of the spirit or fury sparks.... DAAAMN! I can't hype responsibly!!!!
I think all the characters mentioned have a decent chance of being in. Quote may be just a bit iffy but still a chance.
I think Dante from Devil May Cry has a good chance too though I think you kinda covered him in the MH bit. So yeah. Totally agree.
Could Aang work or do you think he's more geared towards something like Injustice?
I have a feeling that an ArcSystemWorks character is most likely gonna have a character in Smash thanks to the River City spirits that were added back in January, while most people look towards the Lee twins from Double Dragon as the best candidates I don’t think it’s happening as the series hasn’t been great in recent years which leaves Guilty Gear & BlazBlue and while Sol Badguy has been in the talks I don’t think it’s gonna be him, there’s nothing really unique from Guilty Gear that Sakurai could pull to make Sol unique and fun and it doesn’t help that he’s not as popular as Bridget & Dizzy who seem to top him in official polls made by the company while BlazBlue’s mascot, Ragna, has a lot more to offer with the follow up attacks, his Soul Eater drive which heals him making him a tricky character to fight against since his defense is pathetic making him a lightweight character his drive would turn a battle around to his favor and his Final Smash having a unique victory screen reminiscing BlazBlue with 4 potential themes that’ll play in his Final Smash, Ao Iconoclast, Shinsou, Chronophantasma & True Blue as sort of victory themes like in the home series
Oh forgot to mention this but Ragna would also have the BlazBlue system as well to make him unique which he can activate when fully charged to activate the Azure Grimoire giving him a temporary attack boost but also through command inputs can use Carnage Scissor & Devoured by Darkness
Personally, I love your picks. But one character I've been really wanting to see, which I've only seen mentioned maybe twice (to my disappointment) among the videos I watched
is SEPHIROTH.
I realize he's a square rep and I really want Sora too, as Kingdom Hearts is one of my favorite games of all time.
But I feel Sephiroth "deserves" a spot because he's gotta be one of the most infamous villains in gaming history. And his song "One-Winged Angel" would be absolutely epic in the game. As far as stage goes, you got me there.
But what do you think about this idea?
Like I said, I've seen him brought up only maybe twice, which I found discouraging. What's your take good sir?
Didn't the video say something about not saying a character deserve a spot?
Cool video. Still holding on hope for Lloyd to join smash. I think another stage for Lloyd could be Torent Forest in front of a certain stone tablet.
Out of all series in this list, 1 of 8 I can see it happening with one being the Tales of series, except it'll be Cress from Tales of Phantasia since it's the series that started it all. As for the other 7, it'll be:
Sephiroth from FF7 since the remake is already out and the stage would be the Core inside of the Northern Cave.
The prince from Prince of Persia.
Soma from God Eater.
Wargreymon from Digimon and the stage would be somewhere in the Digital World.
Selvaria Bles from Valkyria Chronicles (since she appears in every game in the series and we never had a villain character as DLC).
Masked Luman/Balder/Father Balder from Bayonetta and the stage would be the stage where you fight him in Bayo 1.
and lastly, either Nahl from Disgaea 1 or Valvatorez from Disgaea 4.
I would like Kat from Gravity Rush. I can see Sakurai implementing her gravity bar so she's not an overpowered air fighter with infinite recovery, but she would still be an aerial oriented fighter. Also, we haven't gotten a true Playstation 1st party character (Persona 1 got released for windows98 and Joker has been featured on 3ds title PQ2).
In any case, my top pick still is any summoner from the mainline SMT series, but I keep my expectations on the low side. However, I haven't lost all hope, maybe Sakurai could pay homage to this franchise with a Jack Frost mii costume or if things go crazy, we end up getting the protagonist from SMT V + a new trailer of the game lol
Quote and NOT Shantae?! 😢 .....why?
Fulgore from Killer Instinct has a chance of making it in. Some possible reasons:
- Poster boy for KI
- KI was on the SNES and N64
- He's a Rareware character like Banjo & Kazooie
I wonder if SSBU could get other Namco reps. Tekken seems somewhat unlikely, but Soul Calibur and Tales might have a higher chance. Lloyd and Siegfried/Nightmare have a high chance as possible Namco reps.
Also I think for sora kh2 moveset would be better and they could use the stage where you do the tutorial fight in kh2 cuz it’s just a really good stage it could kinda be like the mega man stage where it’s kinda just like final destination except it has walls running all the way down to the blast zone
You know, something I've never really considered...
If we completely IGNORE likelyhood, which characters do you most WANT in the game, Delzethin?
My dissident opinions
From Square Enix: Bub from Bubble/Puzzle Bubble as another Arcade Classic
From Bandai Namco: Nightmare from SoulCalibur as different take to the Strong and heavy Evil protagonist
From Capcom: Palico from Monster Hunter, they could do the same as the titular hunter while being funny.
I agree with the other options as well. But wanted to throw my hat in the ring :P
My dream dlc would be twintelle, geno, bendy, paper mario, steve, and shadow
What do you think the chances of doom slayer is?
Considering Bandai Namco has said over Twitter if they ever get a second Smash rep it'll be Agumon....that definitely helps his case.
I've got a super good feeling about Ryu Hayabusa, he screams unique movement and gameplay AND is arguably the last real icon of that era of Nintendo gaming. Yeah, he's not technically a Nintendo character, but most people see him in the same way they see MegaMan or Simon Belmont, basically a Nintendo character. Would round out that era of gaming really nicely, and Sakurai seems to looooove updating NES/SNES characters to a modern incarnation. Feels too good to not happen at this point.
Hayabusa’s reveal trailer has definitely got to be a recreation of the opening scene from Ninja Gaiden NES.
Your talking about the 8-bit era of Nintendo.
I Want The Most DLC Smash Bros Ultimate Fighters Is
Rayman: Challenger Pack 7
Crash Bandicoot: Challenger Pack 8
Geno: Challenger Pack 9
Ryu Hayabusa: Challenger Pack 10
Doom Slayer: Challenger Pack 11
& Delphox: Bonus Fighter
But No Steve, No Tracer, & No Master Chief
@@solosergiohd amazing picks 👍
@@pablo.4011 Thanks.
Also extra fun fact for Level Five Yokai characters...something I remember hearing was that they never want to have a game where Yokai Watch and Pokémon are playable together...idk if it’s still true here but it’s important to remember
I think Minecraft Steve could have a stage based on the iconic End.
Here me out. I know this is a long shot but ... CONKER THE SQUIRREL!! Conker is my most wanted newcomer by far. Conker’s Bad Fur Day was a super unique game as it didn’t have one particular genre. It was a platformer, first person shooter, racing, horror, etc. And Conker himself is a super unique character. He’s an alcoholic squirrel with tons of personality. Let’s not forget his amazing move set too. From frying pans to baseball bats to even a flamethrower, Conker’s moveset is practically built in. He’d be a super fun character and he can use his “context sensitive” mechanic as his new ability. He’d be an awesome addition to the already massive roster and his reveal would be legendary. Also I feel like very few people would be disappointed in Conker’s addition. Most would be like “Whoa is that Conker?!?!” Yes it is my friends. I pray to god that for some wacky reason Sakurai decided to give him the Banjo and Kazooie treatment and bring him back to where he belongs!! #conkerforsmash
King from Tekken!
Super unique, would love to see this guy do that moveset!
tekken getting a fighters is highly unlikely
It would be fair to say so was Street Fighter.. and many others.
I think Sakurai would be more excited to do a throw based char than he would be concerned what company made the game
Terry Syvertson why tekken in particular?
@@pRODIGAL_sKEPTIC It not easy working on a taken character like it is whit SF.