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Training VLOG #30: Muscle Protein Synthesis, Chiropractors, and More!
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- Опубликовано: 12 мар 2019
- Timestamps:
00:35 Muscle protein synthesis and meal timing/frequency
07:28 Chiropractic care and subluxations
18:07 De-loading and predicting loads using RPE
19:46 How to train to be healthy with 1 hour per day max
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FINALLY! Apparently I can't count to 30 and this episode might have too much pink in it.
It's salmon!
Too much pink is impossible.
How long should i rest between sets on the gpp day when doing Pullups
@@coreyhill7058 there is no one answer here and it depends how close to failure you're getting. 30-60s is reasonable though.
Cant count to 30? You are definitely a powerlifter at heart. And pink will add 5% to every male's total. Proven fact.
I really love that there is a source of info that I feel I can genuinely trust. Really appreciate it guys.
Why are these guys not more popular? These guys are a goldmine of information. Always citing sources; and they are BEASTS. When I grow up I want to be like these guys.
Last year I was having serious muscle spasms in my mid back. My GP doctor gave my a shot for inflammation and some muscle relaxers that did very little. In my search for a message therapist to work out the knot at the center of my problem, I ended up at a chiropractor. While I’ve never believed much in the use of chiropractors, this guy helped me where my regular doctor couldn’t. I think this is the kind of situation where chiropractor’s still have a role. Just my opinion.
PizzaPimp812 unfortunately that whole process of care was problematic from the start. Glad you’re feeling better now, but it’s pretty clear that outside of clinical theatrics, spinal manipulation does nothing useful. Your GP didn’t do the right thing either, to be fair.
Barbell Medicine the chiropractor didn’t do any spinal manipulations, he didn’t even suggest it. He worked only on the muscle to get it to release. It did take several visits to get it to stay released.
PizzaPimp812 yea that doesn’t do anything either. He could’ve saved you a ton of money and made you feel just as good by having a conversation with you. Your GP could’ve done the same thing, but like I said this was buggered from the start. I’m glad you’re feeling better now, but in the future we wouldn’t recommend that type of management.
Barbell Medicine ok. So what should I have done/who should I have seen? Clearly it was not something my general practitioner was able to help with.
Anecdotal evidence doesn't work these guys
Commenting for the algorithm. Also great video once again!
The intro alone earned a like. The info is a cherry on top.
Good episode.
Digging the new music too.
705! Waaaw! At ~200. That is AWESOME! Killin' it. Nice work. Inspires me to go train.
just wanted the chiropractor answer and you publish this video
Clicking the like button 5" into the video - just for the classy intro.
Great to see more content coming out.
But Austin, the internet says you can't deadlift greater than 700 without steroids.
Congrats!
Eugene Stoner don’t forget to correct for sampling bias ;)
Eugene Stoner GAAAAAAINZZZZZ
Muscle Protein Synthesis aka GainzZZz.
Good to have you back
I love these videos. Thanks so much for all the great content. Questions answered that I didn’t know I had! :)
Actually good and accurate knowledge on protein synthesis...
Really impressive production value
Loved the intro, keep up the good work ;D
That MPS description was useful, thanks!
Thanks for the critique and great info.
This looks and sounds great guys
Excellent. Thanks Jordan 👍
i'm curious, and perhaps it's already been addressed in other videos; do you guys do, and demonstrate other exercises, e.g. arm exercises, rowing, etc.?
why do most doctors wear Gant shirts ?
Patrick Doyle because they cant not...? :-)
Dave was stressing me out!
Great as always! I feel like your commentary is 0.5 - 1 second earlier than the training video or is it just me.
That’s the weirdest coincidence, was legit just type barbell medicine training vlog into RUclips haha!
What’s the tape on one side of the barbell used for?
Since you need leucine for muscle protein synthesis, does the whey protein in most protein bars provide enough? I've only found one bar that lists a specific (and ideal) amount, most just state whey protein.
dope intro music
Care to elaborate more on your hip issue?
I could be wrong, but a long while ago, Jordan trained in a garage that was unleved, and after "x" amount of time, it messed it up. Im probably missing some details.
Ooooh, baby. Let's goooo
Austin really didn't make a gonzo BES face on that 705. lol.
Great video as always, meow.
Lorraine is awesome!
what basis does the chiropractic practice have at all?
awesome
Gel yeah
So in summary the core premise of Chiro is BS (manipulations and subluxations) with no evidence that they have any effect. Also most pain goes away in its own in 4-6 weeks. I don’t get what the messaging is around what positive inputs a Chiro can have, except for things that aren’t anything to do with Chiro?! 🤔
Yeah, I'm still confused as to what unique benefits or what role a chiropractor is supposed to serve in the management of someone's health that a well-educated medical doctor couldn't serve. You mentioned things like ordering imaging and patient education, but those aren't specific to chiros. So is it basically just another resource for patients to have an exam/receive a diagnosis in which they may feel more comfortable? Like how a patient could potentially see a PA, MD, DO, or FNP to receive a diagnosis, whichever they feel more comfortable? All their diagnoses should in theory be valid, just they've based it in a different type of education/approach to the body.
Also, word to the wise, you have Dr. Mike's IG listed as @mike, but it's @michael_barbellmedicine
Lol'd at that intro :)
Jordan, it seems like, visually, that you are bending over a good bit on your squats (making an acute angle between your trunk and quads). I've always heard/read that this was undesirable but knowing your expertise, I now question that. Is this kind of acute angle while squatting not a big deal or even desirable?
kobeballer it’s not desirable or undesirable. Just a normal variation of the squat :)
Algo gainzzz
So regarding the aerobic training recommendations set by national guidelines, did you just use that number of 150 minutes/week to help answer the question how much time he/she should spend on GPP? I've read your "When Should you do Conditioning?" and understand how the minimum rec would be in theory the smallest amount possible to produce the desired goal. My question is just is that 150 minutes/week the smallest amount for him because he doesn't have any specific goal? Is the reason you have less than that in the Bridge (some weeks have 1 day of GPP) is that the goal isn't necessarily to develop conditioning other than to facilitate recovery? How would one go about determining what is the minimal conditioning one needs for their individual goals, such as how did you determine that one/two days a week of GPP was sufficient as part of the Bridge?
sorry if that's a lot lol. thanks.
how much can you pull in that jacket
TheDuttzz definitely adds 5lbs
14 women @ rpe 3
I'm not a fan of the subluxation concept. I think it's nonsense.
Once again, looking like God. Great vid
Awesome stuff! Dislike the outro music though...
20:20 Is Jordan implying you can't just "identify" as a thing and be that thing, you actually have to do/be that thing in reality?
BIG IF TRUE!
No. I'm saying that if you shouldn't make compromises in your training based on competitive sports you aren't participating in.
I see you taking shots at Rip with that outro song lmao
Chiropractic adjustments don't do shit for you, period, if you need back surgery for a herniated disk you will eventually have to have it, only delaying the inevitable is stupid.... except that adjustments feel great at THAT moment, so people think it does something more, and keep coming for more.
I'm not sure if you're suggesting that herniated disks are the source of back pain for many people and/or if they should be surgically managed routinely for pain, but we would disagree with both of those things strongly.
@@BarbellMedicine
Not suggesting that, but I see how you thought that from what I wrote ... I agree they SHOULDN'T be be managed, IF IN FACT that is the source of the pain, ROUTINELY with surgery... but extreme cases have to be surgically dealt with surgically, if the person can hardly walk anymore.
And no, I didn't mean that herniated disks are the main source of back pain for most people.
All is well friend, I really enjoy and appreciate your content.
@@ggrthemostgodless8713 Right on. Keep up the good work!
"im a powerlifter with no interest in compete"
wut
Wow, as someone who went to both medical school and chiropractic school, the ignorance of their knowledge of the profession (even from the chiro) is astounding. The school the chiro in the clip went to obviously did not do a good job in educating him, or he got nothing out of the education he was given. Dr Fiegenbaum speaks as an authority on the subject as well, although he has no training in it. It's a shame a chiro and an md chose this channel as a venue to slam a profession that has helped millions of people. I say this AS AN M.D. who is one of the few who also went to chiropractic school.
johndim11 Do you have any reliable citations to substantiate your claim?
Yo, doc, show these guys up by providing some links then...you can't just drop a comment like that and peace out without any evidence.
Nutrition or how food is processed by MOST people is the final frontier in medicine, just SIMILAR as in physics, relativity theory and quantum mechanics is the final frontier in that field, they don't match up well so no one know exactly how all that works, with contradictions in it when dealing with each for the other, a "paradox" as the call it. -----This is more so in nutrition, specially since it varies between individuals and groups of people, and genetics plays a part in it and no one knows how much a part it plays, only that it is an "important" part; it is this very incompleteness that allows for a lot of bad information or quacks to get into this, spaces with quasi-metaphysical, confusing information as if they actually know the whole full truth of the matter.... I am glad this doc DOESN'T do that. He gives you the latest info, nothing more, and he doesn't claim to know how it all works in full, just what we know so far.
RPE is like the art teacher giving Picasso a B and saying it was an 8 RPE. All Subjective! Opinion. RPE is just for the Feel Good” lifter. These online coaches are trying to sell you a product and show you how complicated it is. Use KISS program. When blood is shooting out the nose and lift is easy, what RPE is it?
Yes I have. I think Helms participated with Dr. Zourdos. Research RPEs were still based on percentages. Compared squatters if I remember. Subjective, based on estimated % and then assigned a RPE. If going by RPE feels right for you and you memorize RPE percentage chart, use it. In my opinion, it’s just going around the basic concepts, but I guess it will get lifters that like it to their potential. One thing I like about RPE is it encourages the lifter to adjust load by workout and fatigue level. Thanks for reminding me of the research. I’ll go back and read it. Always learning!
Don Oswald you’re setting up some interesting arguments here. While RPE is ultimately subjective, it is not like a teacher giving a poor grade, unless that grade was based on objective metrics (bar speed for instance) and guided further management based on present performance levels. Subjective ratings correlate much better than objective markers to things like performance loss (fagifue), injury and pain, etc. As online coaches, we provide most of our programming using RPE’s. Are you saying we are in the wrong? Finally, if the rep feels easy and moves relatively quickly then the nose bleed is irrelevant, which it should be anyway because nose bleeds do not reliably correlate with effort levels. I’m curious to hear your thoughts.
Don Oswald also no, not all of (or even most) of the research on RPE or RIR used percentages to predict load.
Dandy
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Ok that intro was a bit much.
these intros are so cringe
Totally!
Both camps in chiropractic are full of shit. And most chiropractors can't adjust well enough to reliably deliver any kind of results, or don't adjust at all, which is sad. It's not a treatment for conditions, but I see that it correct abnormal function/movement which is often extremely helpful to help people regain normalcy. This is my experience ever day as a chiropractor and as a chiropractor utilizer. Don't ask me for research.
I take major issue with the narrative (and thought) that manipulation corrects "abnormal function/movement" and that it "often" helps people, specifically with respect to back pain. The research does not support these treatments in this context and the narrative is potentially harmful. That said, is there any evidence that would potentially change your mind? If so, would you like to have this discussion?
@@BarbellMedicine Have never had any significant adverse event in 7 years of practice. Not to say it can't happen but that's over 75,000 adjustments. I see it have life changing effects. Not every time, but often enough I know it's powerful stuff. You have to understand most research is done with chiropractic students or otherwise weak adjusters that are in academia for a reason. I've helped lots of dudes that can't squat/deadlift heavy to squat and deadlift heavy again. There are neuroplastic effects. See the research Heidi Haavik has been involved in. Increased proprioceptive accuracy, reaction time, etc. Fascinating stuff. Elite athletes love it for a reason. Honestly, though, lots of people are going to chiropractors to try to help symptoms that have other causes not being fixed (gut/autoimmune/inflammatory/etc.) and adjustments are at best a natural pain reliever.
@@steverg2 That's good about adverse events, though that's not what I was referring to when I said "harm". I mean the actual narrative you're supplying to people is harmful if you tell them they have "abnormal function/movement", that they NEED you, etc. To your points about research being done in chiropractic students or "weak adjusters", that is not the state of the research and a simple review of the sources cited in the provided literature (2012 Cochrane Review, 2017 JAMA meta analysis, and PainScience article) thoroughly rebukes that notion. I have no doubt that people have felt better after seeing you, but can you think of any other reasons this may be outside of the physical adjustment? As far as increased accuracy, reaction time, etc. compared to a control- no- chiropractic care does not improve any of those things. Irrespective of the appeal to authority, can you answer my question about what evidence- if any- would change your position on this? If none, then I don't know if there's anything to discuss. We do not recommend spinal manipulation for any reason at any time.
@@BarbellMedicine to your question, it would be admittedly impossible to convince me there is no benefit to manipulation/adjustment. My direct experience with thousands of patients couldn't be overturned. I don't believe that is unreasonable. There's a lot that's confusing about the research. I've seen the studies showing no benefit, and I honestly just question who was doing the manipulations and how competent they actually were, because it's not my experience at all save for in my first year of practice, where nothing got better for anyone, because I hadn't accumulated enough experience to actually be very effective. Of course I'm not even saying everyone gets better, or that anyone is completely fixed. I would pose the inverse question to you, though, doctor. What would convince you?
@@steverg2 randomized controlled trials showing that SMT improves outcomes compared to appropriate interventions. It does not do this according to the latest BMJ meta analysis on this very topic. That is unfortunate that you are not open to changing your mind and I see no reason to continue this conversation.
You can't be a "powerlifter" if you don't compete! You would just be strength training otherwise..
Brendan Harnett stop me