Another great example, it doesn’t matter how powerful a console or PC is, if the developers do not optimize their game, it will run poorly in all cases.
Jup, being in software developemnt for last 15 years, working on many industry performance problems (warehouse/shipping software, not gaming) and finding a solution, adding more hardware often is not the best solution, it is more of a temporary quick fix to buy time, sometimes it is not even a possibility. But properly optimizing the code, without functionality loss is always a good solution.
Runs fine on my PS5. I have a PC too, but part of me - after spending so long(decades) putting up with unironic douchebaggery from PC owners about being the 'master race' and how console owners are paupers, and children, and how any console exclusive is for 'babies', etc. - just considers ports like this to be a kind of karmic justice. Unfair to all the decent PC owners out there, and not exactly rational, but yeah. It's also true that for all the fludiity and interchangability of PC architecture - the fact that you can constantly upgrade them and swap parts in and out - there is a necessary compromise at the heart of that, which is that developers will find it harder(or depending on how badly you think of developers, less worth the effort) to get their games running on a PC than on something unified and predictable in architectural terms like the PS5 or the XB SX. That's just built into PCs, and it's built into any system really: the easier it is to swap internal structure around and change it the more difficult it will be to reliably cater for such a system.
@@thesprawl2361 Traditional consoles are the backbone of the entire video game industry, without them we'd have nothing but shower with daddy indy games.
It's even worse when you fire up Horizon Forbidden West right after which has fucking beautiful towns and camps with high population density and it runs far smoother. They really screwed something up here but hopefully it is fixable.
@@TrippzUK Horizon Zero Dawn has much less CPU demand from crowds because they are all communists/woke NPC's so as a sect they think the same, making the game much lighter.
@CaptToilet just my own experience and opinion, but having played both games, I feel like DD2s cities feel more dynamic and less scripted than Witcher 3. Not an excuse for bad performance though.
@@levisorenson7873 The Witcher 3 launched in May of 2015. It's literally almost 10 years old. The fact that there's even a comparison to be made at all is concerning
Yep I took a risk with horizon forbidden west , because it was Nixxies and i was right , but most games I wait for the Digital Foundry review to decide if buy or wait.
Honestly, I can't even keep up anymore. I already have enough to play for years to come, and will always be able to buy my "new" games on sale and in a polished state 💟🌌☮️
Better just wait 6 months or a year these days, and get a game discounted and patched. It's crazy that even a game like Cyberpunk got the "best ongoing" award, when all they did was patch their bugs and release 1 DLC. Companies are even getting praise for fixing their buggy mess these days.
The developers piss me off because they gave console players zero options. Can’t disable motion blur? Forced Ray Tracing? Only one visual mode? Only one save(manual saves get overwritten by auto save). Wtf Capcom?
Well, it isn't Capcom's fault. The PS5 doesn't have the Twinkle Vane Processing, so it has no special technology to make the frame rate ever faster. It is so because the extra latency to have the frame data being drawn and rendered is part of the reason why the frame rate drops so much. The PS5 would run Dragon's Dogma 2 much faster, if they were using the Twinkle Vane processing.
This game single-handedly degrades the reputation of the RE engine as an efficient engine. I haven't seen CPU issues this severe since Kingdom Come: Deliverance. What a mess.
Don't think RE engine was designed to handle open worlds of this size, maybe. It's super inefficient for running NPC AI subroutines from what I've heard.
@@Sneakyboson At that rate its even at more fault of the studio and not the engine; utilise the strengths and make illusory with what you can't. Don't try fitting a square in to a triangular hole, you know?
A shame, really! Until DD2 all RE Engine games were performing great, the Steam Deck barely broke a sweat while plainly RE4:Remake, for example. 10 FPS is all I can manage trying to play DD2 on the Deck 😂 It does run acceptably on my PC, though…but barely holding 60 FPS with my Radeon 7900 XT. Dropping to 35 FPS and sometimes lower while in a city…
i mean, console players are obviously their target audience,and most console gamers can't tell between 24fps and 120fps even in slowmo comparisons and can't tell if games are optimized or not. Their mistake was releasing the game on PC at this state,they should've pushed it back 2-3 months untill performance are a bit better. Although it's not going to get much better than this--you're not going to get 60fps in cities with a Ryzen 5 3600 even after some patches.
I'm over developers not taking the time to get the frame rate right, I'd rather have less bells and whistles for a smooth 60fps experience from the start
Agreed. AC Valhalla, for example. That game is gorgeous and runs at a very consistent 60 fps. They keep pushing visuals harder, and performance suffers.
What do you mean man? This is literally the first major release from Capcom that performed bad. I do think this game does a lot that others aren't atm but it runs poorly.
Didn't you hear what God Howard said? Its time to upgrade your PC.... oh wait, that aint possible. Because people are already running top of the line hardware available and its still running like crap! That leaves only one conclusion, pisspoor incompetent developers who don't know what they are doing or simple don't give AF.
This is a technical mess on all platforms. I’ll check this out in 6+ months after it has some patches and they address the “can’t start a new character” issue. This stands as a shining example of why I rarely buy new games at launch.
The first game had the same exact save setup, and it was never "addressed". They don't want you to start new characters for whatever reason, the game is certainly designed so you can do everything in 1 (can freely change and level up all classes in one character, there is a cyclical NG+, etc). It's safe to say it's a design decision, they don't see it as an issue to be addressed.
@@steel5897You could go to the save folder location, delete the save and start anew in the first DD, from what I heard you can't do that in DD2 is that true? That's what I did in DD1, keep a copy of old save somewhere and just start a new character (I had 2 characters 1 pure physical the other pure magick based on stat leveling), I could switch between them by copy and paste the save files.
@@yuesu2325 no you can still do that, just like DD1. You just have to turn off cloud saves on Steam for the game or it's going to undo your deletion when you boot the game up.
Won't improve. Some aspects will; critical bugs will get fixed, performance might improve.. but the way the game works? I doubt it. Stuck this way for eternity. Past Capcom releases never changed post release beyond bug fixes and DLC content. No hope that this will ever change. Hope to be proven wrong though.
What sucks is that the game itself is very fun. I played for 6 hours non stop on my PC last night but yeah the performance issues suck and are in your face every time you go to a city. This was game of the year material, truly unique gameplay and exploration let down by performance. That said the motion clarity and Nvidia reflex settings do help somewhat make the game playable for those who aren't pedantic about frame rate and image quality.
Yeah. The game is super fun imo. I like how unpredictable and chaotic it can get. But the performance in the city is abysmal. Really hope a monster doesn't ever get kited in there until there is some kind of fix. Lol
That's the really sad part of all this. Capcom have a winner on their hands here, but the game isn't as fun as it should be if it runs like its on a potato :(
You are in the wrong space for not being pedantic about image quality etc. Digital Foundry is the foundation of highlighting visuals and performance for those who look for high quality, for both consoles and PC.
My 7800x3d is sweating and stuttering. I don't really know what makes the NPC AI so heavy compared to something like RDR2 which has tons of smart and capable AI walking around and runs fine.
That one will be much lighter probably the same as world doesnt seem to have any graphic imorovement over it probably because it will be a switch 2 release
Monster Hunter Wilds already looks weird actually, go watch the trailer again, I don’t know why but the graphics look really bad and actually worse than Monter Hunter World.
"Alex is going to interject here with some thoughts on the PC version." *me not watching my screen as an ad starts at that moment* "Hi, I'm Ryan Reynolds." 🤨
It's odd to me that the npc ai is blamed for the bad performance, but the npcs just appear and disappear intermittently. Maybe the approach they took was a waste of resources that resulted in a lower quality product. Sounds like a bad choice.
@@ikswoltokyrogerg8460their appearence disapear but they are still running on the background They have routines even though you cant see them. The sims 3 does this, where an npc is taking a shower on the other side of the city, but his animations and his appearences are not rendered.
@@MemoriesLP They dont, thats just marketing and nonsense, also, that is not expensive at all nowadays, and it shouldnt be with those extremely expensive cpus
@MemoriesLP My point was that if they are going to expend the overhead on npcs having routines, the npcs should be, at least, of a quality consistent with games from this century. I can't remember the last time I saw npc pop-in like this, but it was probably on the N64. I love the game, but I would be embarrassed if these were my npcs.
i just love the way you guys, especially alex, point out the 'user experience' site of the games you are reviewing, very important and often overlooked part of reviewing games
Developers (Especially Japanese ones) need to step up their game, last gen games looked on par with this at 4k. Nowadays when devs are forced to work, it's considered overworking.
@@deathtrooper2048 because they are overworked. This kind of thing isn't dev's not working hard enough. It's "devs not skilled enough," "devs not given enough time," management issues, development problems, poor direction and leads etc. There's countless reasons but pretty much never "devs were lazy and don't care"
1440p isn't enough. Consoles often target a resolution around 1440p then upscale it to 4K. You need to go way lower on the current console generation if you want a stable 60 fps at the current fidelity.
The reason PS4 runs Red Dead Redemption 2 better than PS5 runs Dragon's Dogma 2 is because the PS4, in its jaguar CPU, uses a special technology named the Twinkle Vane Process, which is characterized by rendering frames much faster than other consoles do, rendering them in a game just a few seconds after they're drawn in the RAM, and running the frames off a "swap bus" to reduce latency between the CPU and GPU, that rendering takes about 25% less time on a PS4 than it does on a PS5, resulting in much more fluid gameplay.
It doesn't hold even 30 in cities and fights. Constant 26-28 fps on PS5 at least in fights. How is this game ready to be shipped in this state is crazy.
So I’m convinced at this point this generation of consoles is basically ONLY for running last gen games and last gen quality games at 60fps and multiplayer games at 120fps. That’s it. Kinda worth it for multiplayer games I guess.
This game visually looks like something released quite a few years ago, like a 2014-2016 range, absolutely mindboggling how a game like that can't get a stable frames even on current gen consoles. The times when games were packed with all sorts of mechanics that justified taxing our CPUs and tried to get much better visuals shredding our GPU's, are over now, we just get games that look exactly the same or even worse then a 6 year old titles, but working like a complete garbage. I don't know if it's less talented people in the industry, or devs getting lazy, producers getting greedier and for example take money from the hardware companies only to force us to purchase new shit every year. Probably all things at once, absolutely disgusting. Every year i play less games, DD2 and Rise of Ronin are another titles that i removed from my "play and enjoy" list, and this trend continues, im starving for a good title... and everything i waited for become a big disappointment. But seeing all these white knights, i understand that there are some new slave generations liking this treatment, they love when big corpos spit in their faces and they just say that it's raining. If it's not going to change i might just being forced to find the new hobby in a near future.
Idk what everyone in the comments are complaining about. $70 for an unfinished and unoptimized game is a bargain! I’m SUPER happy I bought it! And before any says “the game doesn’t work” FYI the micro transactions work just fine.
I really wish u guys did a more deep dive for the PC port with multiple different CPUs(considering the game is CPU bottlenecked) from both Intel and AMD to check its scaling across the number of cores, whether Hyper-threading active and disabled has any advantage or disadvantage, the effects of E-cores, and whether the 3D V cache chips perform significantly better than its non 3D parts or is clock speed better for the town scenario.
@@CDJaramillo92 If this was EA, that would be sound business advice, going on some of the crazy things they've said when it comes to DLC and microtransactions lol.
Dumbest criticism of the game. If you’re going to criticize DD2 for microtransactions, you should do the same for every other Capcom game since 2017, including universally beloved ones like MHW, RE2, DMC5 and RE4RE. All micro-transactions are optional and inconsequential and unobtrusive. I dislike microtransactions as a whole, but Capcom has one of the most inoffensive implementations of mtx in the entire industry.
It doesn’t help, I’ve done this exact thing on PC, it’s very obviously CPU bound. They’ve acknowledged that each NPC draws on CPU usage individually, it’s the weirdest thing I’ve ever heard..
These texture bugs in Series S are the same ones that happen in Street Fighter 6 and Resident Evil 4. In Resident Evil 4, some players already discovered that you can solve the problem by logging into your Series X and disabling ray tracing. When you return to Series S with the same account, the problem is completely solved, so maybe something similar is happening in this game. In Street Fighter 6, if you do a few tricks during the fights, you can see the textures loading in the middle of the fight and they stay loaded for the rest of the following matches if you keep playing without changing characters, and when you play the World tour you can see that all the fighters' textures load normally without this bug. Capcom doesn't seem to care about fixing simple bugs in its games, so I won't be surprised if this game continues to have this problem for the rest of its life, since it hasn't fixed it in the games I've mentioned.
Why don't Sony and Microsoft fail these games in certification? Aren't they tired of someone else's unoptimized software making their flagship console hardware look bad?
@@pixeljauntvr7774 True. They should set the standard... and enforce it. Sony seems to do a pretty good job on PS5 (excluding H: Forbidden West, at release) but their PC ports are a mixed bag (excluding H: Forbidden West, oddly enough :).
You guys need to mention more how the PS5's VRR only works at 48+ fps more often, because that's the main reason I get the Series X copy of all multi platform games (unless it's fps is rock solid across the board). I'll wait for the textures to be fixed
It's insane how we've got to this point already with how bad the performance is on consoles especially considering that they're actually still quite powerful, games look and run like shit
Love the Alex & Oliver collab, I wish DF members would do collab segments on more on videos like this one. John seems to spotlight the beauty more often and I know he doesnt like covering pixel peeping frametime junk as much anymore but I'd still love to hear him talk about the visuals and atmosphere and tone of the game in a broader context as part of a more technical video like this.
Gotta love this gen of gaming. Loading practically gone, but if you want a decent frame rate and npcs to not pop up 5ft from you, well you’re asking too much. Meanwhile at least half the games coming out are made to run on ps4 but we need a ps5 pro though.
Yeah and the Pro will use the same CPU with a boost of 10% adn the cpu limited game will still cpu limited like DD2. So more GPU power doesn't bring more FPS becaus DD2 on PS5 Pro will still at the 30s in towns (at the current state of the game) xD
The performance totally killed my interest for now. I might come back to this game months later and buy a used copy just to make sure capcom doesn’t get any money.
@@beyond72deepsoulfulhousemixes I regret buying the PS5 honestly... I've never seen a generation of console becoming that old and underpowered in 1 year basically...
because they are liars and they also have their own bias. This wasn't The Wrong Game from The Wrong company, so push the hype - normally it won't backfire enough to matter- so lie lie lie, and don't think Force or ACG or those types are better - they are in fact worse because they hide behind the single-man-oh-so-not-biased-keep-it-real BS they spin. BTW if someone regularly tells you they have no spin, they have more spin that regular - 10000% of the time.
Look at IGN's review for your answer! People *EXPECTED* 9's & 10's, and then rage at reviewers when they don't give those scores. The IGN review got downvoted to hell & back, with so many people angry at the reviewer for "only" giving it an 8. It's like Starfield all over again... People love to crap on IGN, so when they gave it a 7/10, everyone blamed them for being dumb or biased. Fans want confirmation bias, not accuracy.
or now hear me out different reviewers can have different criteria. A game's performance is only a single metric. If a reviewer plays the game on waht is likely a high end system, the performance issues would be more negligible as cities would only majorly be affected, therefore higher score just as an example Not all reviewers are out to lie to you dude lmfao Many are commenting on the shoddy performance and giving it higher scores because a 9/10 game doesn't become a 6 because it struggles to run on other people's hardware@@xBINARYGODx
It's not even just the performance. If this ran ultra smooth, it would still be crazy to call this GOTY. The story is meh, the editing and sequencing in the story cinematics is also meh, and the voice acting is between alright to just bad. Plus, the art direction is so focused on being medieval English countryside, it forgot it could try and take some artistic risks every now and then, but nope, it's very dull and brown. Fun climbing on big monsters and stabbing them? Yes, it is fun, but that's kinda all it is.
I’d be so disappointed playing this after FF7 rebirth. The fact that the pc version of DD2 is so close to FF7R metacritic is wild to me. They couldn’t be further apart in terms of quality
Steam users having a field day roasting Capcom. Capcom really should be ashamed of themselves charging full price for this. The game even dips into the 20’s on console. Games running at 24fps in 2024, how fitting! Hard pass from me.
Hope they continue to roast them since this is unacceptable when they want to increase the price of games to 70+$Dollars How could they mess this up. Plus they have the balls to try and charge micro transactions ( for rift stones and to recreate your character!!!? ) nah. Let them see how they change when enough complain and say no.
@@transcendentvibeYeah and I think Capcom deserves it because Dark Arisen was also capped to 30fps on console and they never patched it, so even if you’re playing the game on PS5 or Xbox Series X, it’s still running at unstable 30fps, and now they did it again with Dragon’s Dogma 2. Remember back in the PS3 and 360 days when developers were already making promises of 60fps as standard? Then they did it again with PS4 and Xbox One, and then they did it again with PS5 and Xbox Series X. At this point, it’s clear they value fidelity over 60fps performance, so we’ll still be getting 30fps games 20 years from now. Sure, lots of games have a performance mode, but 60fps should already be the standard. 30fps shouldn’t even be in the conversation. Honestly, I’m losing my interest in gaming, and console gaming is actually getting worse.
And in addition to this, most big Western games companies want to inject their political messaging into games as well. These people are destroying gaming.
Crazy to me how people can call this a "masterpiece" when it runs like this. People had the audacity to bash FF7 Rebirth for the "blurry" performance mode which in reality wasn't as bad as people said it was imo.
Yeah, hard pass for me as well... i thought i would be safe at 1080p with an 7800X3D but devs like this find a way to make everything unplayable: even on the best hardware at now low resolution like 1080p...
@@Z3t487I'm playing at 1080p and I really wouldn't call it unplayable. If you want unplayable, look at Callisto protocol launch. That was unplayable. People don't know what unplayable framerate looks like
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Summary: Visual competent Lighting is the highlight and impressive Performance is bad on all platforms, possible they may increase core utilization on PC No CPU can keep the game at 60 fps or higher in towns
On PC some engineers decide to only use 90% or so of the cores, to not make the PCs other tasks getting too impacted by the application. This is good for heavy work applications... And during development of a game as you expect to do other things on the PC simultaneously. But kn release it is not really expected. But might just be a case of that setting not changing for release builds as it probably should.
10/10 and 9/10 everywhere, though. Reviewers openly admit they don't know what they are supposed to be looking for regarding performance. Imagine reviewing cars and not being able to describe whether it drives well or not.
That's a very poor analogy, it'd only apply if the performance was an active 1:1 relation with how the gameplay feels, which is not the case up to a certain point. For whatever it's worth the game is much smoother than the original DD1 game on PS3/360. Sure it's not ideal, the performance is subpar, but apply some perspective and you'll see it doesn't ruin the enjoyment of the game enough to warrant a score drop beyond 1 or at most 2 points, if you're trying to be fair.
Yeah I always think performance issues are out of their consideration. Never get why they would give any game with such performance on what ever hardware so high ratings.
@@i3l4ckskillzz79 how about many of them not mentioned the mtx? is that also not in their consideration - and yes, many of them, if not all, DID know about it. the honest answer is they are mostly a bunch of liars, and they have strong biases to boot. Not better now vs the magazines they were in the 90's, maybe in fact worse.
If an 8 core 16 threads CPU can't handle a game properly, then its not an issue with the hardware. Because of better CPUs in new gen consoles, developers have stopped caring about CPU optimization altogether.
I have noticed that DLSS is not working at all sometimes. The image just gets really low res or something not only the grass. And for the Raytracing i think there are some flawns with the voliage, the trees look not green they lock black or grey when the sun isnt directly hitting them which looks weird.
Been playing in a series x with VRR on and not going to lie. I didn’t even think the framerate was that low. Felt more in the 40s - 50s to me. I only really noticed in the big cities but still nothing I couldn’t just look past until I got back into the action.
that's because series x has good VRR support. I have a PS5 and Series X so i'll be playing this on series x. The checkerboarding image quality issues don't bother me as much as framerate. They will eventually fix the checkerboarding stuff anyway
Why on earth did they not allow 120hz output on PS5 and low frame rate compensation? It baffles me when the system level access to this feature on the Series consoles makes an appreciable difference. Why haven’t DF raised this or any of the other reviewers with Capcom? I have tried but no response as yet.
@@AlphaDwg No, it's just that anecdotal evidence is terrible. VRR on Xbox has a minimum requirement of 40fps so especially in cities when VRR breaks it will be extremely noticeable, more so than if you weren't running VRR at all. Anything below 60fps is unacceptable to me so even though I'm a PC gamer I'll be waiting on performance patches before I buy anything. It's just unfortunate that this console cycle started off finally giving console players the 60fps experience and that's just a nearly forgotten memory now. People should really get higher standards, console players refuse to so companies just get away with it.
@@BadMenite That is what LFC is for which the XSX supports by default. Before the game came out DF already talked about it in their weekly shows. 120Hz + LFC VRR on the Xbox makes the game "playable".
@@jumborice6560 VRR was patched in later for the PS5, in fact it is not a hardware level function so it isn't automatic for games. Anyone who wants to use it needs to make a specific patch and their own LFC solution for it (if they want to support low framerate VRR at all). As for 120Hz support, most devs don't care about it because not many people have screens for them. Their logic is basically if you are that "picky" then you probably play on a PC. There are a bunch of larger and smaller issues like this, it is a miracle we have - many times unstable - 60fps modes in most games. Publishers don't want to spend money and resources on options.
I was so hyped when they announced this game. I went back and played the original again on my PS5, and all I could think was "I cant wait to play this at a higher framerate". It was a day 1 purchase for sure. Until they announce the uncapped fr and no option for performance. I noped out at that point and probably wont pick up the game at all now
I have been anxiously awaiting this video becuase you are the only source I trust to actually determine the casue of the performance issues. I have seen so many people just turn on upscaling and wonder why it doesnt help and im willing to bet its a CPU bottleneck because CAPCOM chose to target 30FPS.
I don't think Capcom "targeted" anything, it's a mess. I think people would be happier with a 30 FPS cap on consoles, especially with the amount of 60hz TVs out there. On PC you have a lot more freedom, but even there to some it's kind of a hard pill to swallow to cap a PC game at sub 60 framerates. I recommend people take that pill though because the game is worth playing.
@@steel5897They did target it though? Look at their comments on PS5 and XSX performance before release and look at the Steam system requirements. "Additional Notes: Estimated performance: 2160i/30fps. Framerate might drop in graphics-intensive scenes. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti or AMD Radeon RX 6800 required to support ray tracing." They were very upfront the game was targeting 30 fps. Now that is a stupid target, but they did not hide anything.
Upscaling does help, but yes it's primarily a CPU issue. Upscaling is sort of like a band aid. It's not going to fix the worst of the problems but it does help
Classic Capcom. Hopefully reviewers raise this discussion before the next game releases and don’t have to act ‘blindsided’ after launch. Lol. Capcom has been pulling this shit for nearly 2 decades now.
Nah, in this case it is surprising. Capcom have been releasing bangers like DMC5, the MH games and of course the RE games; most of which run beautifully. And even so, the core gameplay of DD2 is fine; it's just marred down utterly by the optimization. This completely derailed a very smooth track record.
Shipping a game where a 4090 can just about keep 60fps in most cases is scandalous... with DLSS. That chunk should be churning out 3x more fps than that at native. Ridiculous.
Yes they should have skipped RT this gen. Doesn’t seem like it was worth it overall even though some games figured it out. Seems to have hurt more than it helped.
I would take 1080p to 1440p with 60fps. No ray tracing, everything on consoles. The industry needs to get it into their head that 60fps performance target should be the minimum acceptable level for games, and then add visual bells and whistles if they have the over head, extending to more impressive visuals the higher the PC someone has.
I’m so sick of devs forcing their vision on everyone. If you want to make something as pretty as you can make it, then add those options on PC, but do whatever you have to do to get it to run at 60fps on console. Looking at this game, there isn’t any reason for it to run under 60, other than they just wanted to crank up the resolution, ray-tracing and other taxing features that could easily have been turned down a little or turned off. Being able to turn off RT, and lowering the resolution to around 1200 would have greatly helped. Almost no one actually cares about getting 4K resolution, and even fewer people can tell the difference. I love ray-tracing, but not if it drops me under 60. There are better looking games that easily hit 60, because the right choices were made to achieve that. This is why, no matter how powerful they make consoles, we’ll potentially never see the day where every single game is a minimum 60fps. If every time we get a new powerful console, devs just go all out on visuals, then the new powerful console still won’t be able to hit higher frame rates.
Poorly optimized game will forever be poorly optimized, if a 4090 and the what is regarded as the best gaming CPU maintain the framerate then a something like console with a constrained power budget will fail obviously
RE Engine is super efficient with rendering, but falls apart whenever complex simulation is involved. The World Tour mode in SF6 hammering CPUs was the first big red flag. Sad to see, because the game is incredible. If you're on PC I think the move is to cap your FPS based on the limits of your CPU, which is unusual, and then crank the visuals up as high as you can to enjoy the GPU headroom afforded by doing that. I settled on 45 FPS on a 3060 Ti paired with a i5 12400F, it's perfectly smooth aside from hitches in the capital city. And before the snobby PC "60 FPS is the bare minimum" people yell at me, you should know I played and enjoyed the original DD1 game on a PS3 and that thing ran at an average of 24 FPS. I'm good.
Graphics/performance is the least of the game's problem. The biggest flaw for me is the lack of New Game option - if we accept this, there's no going back.
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"Performance concerns have Arisen." I see what you did there.
I don't get that what does that mean?
Bespoken
@@asleshplb4116 Arisen is the title of your character
Damn, your so smart.
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“Performance still sucks after cutting NPC draw distance to 3 inches? Ok, ship it!” - Someone at Capcom
3 inches is massive though. Too big if we're being honest.
@@MisterBrodo "It's not the size of the boat but the motion of the ocean".
Most gamers can't even take it beyond 3 inches so it's enough. It's not how long the draw distance is, it's how you use it.
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@RedPanda_______if you're talking about the graphics, then you're so wrong😂
Another great example, it doesn’t matter how powerful a console or PC is, if the developers do not optimize their game, it will run poorly in all cases.
"runs fine on my 4090!"
Jup, being in software developemnt for last 15 years, working on many industry performance problems (warehouse/shipping software, not gaming) and finding a solution,
adding more hardware often is not the best solution, it is more of a temporary quick fix to buy time, sometimes it is not even a possibility.
But properly optimizing the code, without functionality loss is always a good solution.
Runs fine on my PS5. I have a PC too, but part of me - after spending so long(decades) putting up with unironic douchebaggery from PC owners about being the 'master race' and how console owners are paupers, and children, and how any console exclusive is for 'babies', etc. - just considers ports like this to be a kind of karmic justice. Unfair to all the decent PC owners out there, and not exactly rational, but yeah.
It's also true that for all the fludiity and interchangability of PC architecture - the fact that you can constantly upgrade them and swap parts in and out - there is a necessary compromise at the heart of that, which is that developers will find it harder(or depending on how badly you think of developers, less worth the effort) to get their games running on a PC than on something unified and predictable in architectural terms like the PS5 or the XB SX. That's just built into PCs, and it's built into any system really: the easier it is to swap internal structure around and change it the more difficult it will be to reliably cater for such a system.
@@thesprawl2361 Traditional consoles are the backbone of the entire video game industry, without them we'd have nothing but shower with daddy indy games.
@@Remliv "shower with daddy indy games"
dare I even ask
Kind of bizarre that cities are so hard to run when they don't even appear that full of... anything, really.
And then you have a game like Witcher 3 that had pretty decent cities. Yeah it hit the CPU hard but it didn't hit to this extent.
It's even worse when you fire up Horizon Forbidden West right after which has fucking beautiful towns and camps with high population density and it runs far smoother. They really screwed something up here but hopefully it is fixable.
@@TrippzUK Horizon Zero Dawn has much less CPU demand from crowds because they are all communists/woke NPC's so as a sect they think the same, making the game much lighter.
@CaptToilet just my own experience and opinion, but having played both games, I feel like DD2s cities feel more dynamic and less scripted than Witcher 3. Not an excuse for bad performance though.
@@levisorenson7873 The Witcher 3 launched in May of 2015. It's literally almost 10 years old. The fact that there's even a comparison to be made at all is concerning
That NPC draw distance. Not sure what the fuck they were thinking.
I don’t get how they think npc’s popping in so close is in any way acceptable
@@mancbiker17 It would be acceptable if the game ran better.
It's a classic technique, seen e.g. in Zelda OoT for the N64.
Especially nowadays with all that 4k resolution. Just makes it too obvious
Loading everything to the CPU for some ungodly reason.
I don’t even attempt to get games at launch these days. They are almost never ready
As TotalBiscuit (RIP) Said "When you buy a game at release you are getting the worst version at the highest price."
Yep I took a risk with horizon forbidden west , because it was Nixxies and i was right , but most games I wait for the Digital Foundry review to decide if buy or wait.
The game is playable.
Honestly, I can't even keep up anymore. I already have enough to play for years to come, and will always be able to buy my "new" games on sale and in a polished state 💟🌌☮️
Better just wait 6 months or a year these days, and get a game discounted and patched. It's crazy that even a game like Cyberpunk got the "best ongoing" award, when all they did was patch their bugs and release 1 DLC. Companies are even getting praise for fixing their buggy mess these days.
1 npc on screen : best gaming cpu available today drop to 45 fps ???
It should be forbidden to release a game when the best gaming CPU can't hold a stable 60 FPS.
38 fps
The developers piss me off because they gave console players zero options. Can’t disable motion blur? Forced Ray Tracing? Only one visual mode? Only one save(manual saves get overwritten by auto save). Wtf Capcom?
And no LFC for PS5.
Give it up for Japanese developers! 👏👏👏
@@prototype_-underrated comment.
I think you mean crapcom.
Simply don't buy it.🤷♂
Drops to 20fps because of NPCs while the NPCs pop-in to existence 2 meters from the player. Good job, Capcom.
Is that what you took from this video? Are you slow?
Cry me a river, Paul.
Well, it isn't Capcom's fault. The PS5 doesn't have the Twinkle Vane Processing, so it has no special technology to make the frame rate ever faster. It is so because the extra latency to have the frame data being drawn and rendered is part of the reason why the frame rate drops so much. The PS5 would run Dragon's Dogma 2 much faster, if they were using the Twinkle Vane processing.
@Bobby3OOO literally happened in the video
Shit, thought that it was my comment for a minute.
It’s great to see console and PC reviewed together. 🙂
This game single-handedly degrades the reputation of the RE engine as an efficient engine. I haven't seen CPU issues this severe since Kingdom Come: Deliverance. What a mess.
fr i wasnt expecting this ridiculous performance from an re engine game
Don't think RE engine was designed to handle open worlds of this size, maybe. It's super inefficient for running NPC AI subroutines from what I've heard.
@@Sneakyboson At that rate its even at more fault of the studio and not the engine; utilise the strengths and make illusory with what you can't.
Don't try fitting a square in to a triangular hole, you know?
A shame, really! Until DD2 all RE Engine games were performing great, the Steam Deck barely broke a sweat while plainly RE4:Remake, for example. 10 FPS is all I can manage trying to play DD2 on the Deck 😂 It does run acceptably on my PC, though…but barely holding 60 FPS with my Radeon 7900 XT. Dropping to 35 FPS and sometimes lower while in a city…
Kingdom Come Deliverance at least looked near photo realistic when it came out many years ago. Hell, it still looks better than DD2
Great job Olie and Alex, working together to cover consoles and PC in a single video!
Capcom should be ashamed for how this game runs.
Fine?
@@leighsherval1023No, Leigh, this game does not run fine.
They should also be ashamed about the micro transactions and inability to make a new game.
i mean, console players are obviously their target audience,and most console gamers can't tell between 24fps and 120fps even in slowmo comparisons and can't tell if games are optimized or not. Their mistake was releasing the game on PC at this state,they should've pushed it back 2-3 months untill performance are a bit better.
Although it's not going to get much better than this--you're not going to get 60fps in cities with a Ryzen 5 3600 even after some patches.
Should be ashamed by a lot of other things. At least performance can be fixed in a few patches, the rest can't.
I'm over developers not taking the time to get the frame rate right, I'd rather have less bells and whistles for a smooth 60fps experience from the start
Agreed.
AC Valhalla, for example. That game is gorgeous and runs at a very consistent 60 fps.
They keep pushing visuals harder, and performance suffers.
He was talking about the visuals and performance
@ExtraordinaryFate hey! Way to not only miss the point, but to offer a complete useless opinion as well! Two birds, one comment.
What do you mean man? This is literally the first major release from Capcom that performed bad.
I do think this game does a lot that others aren't atm but it runs poorly.
... he is strictly talking about performance, not that the game is good or not. @@ExtraordinaryFate
Come on Capcom! You had such a good streak going!
Ok... Guess I'll wait for the 'Very Dark Arisen' version... 😅
Having games in 2024 running sub 60fps is bad enough, but games not even maintaining 30fps is unacceptable
Didn't you hear what God Howard said? Its time to upgrade your PC.... oh wait, that aint possible. Because people are already running top of the line hardware available and its still running like crap!
That leaves only one conclusion, pisspoor incompetent developers who don't know what they are doing or simple don't give AF.
This is a technical mess on all platforms. I’ll check this out in 6+ months after it has some patches and they address the “can’t start a new character” issue. This stands as a shining example of why I rarely buy new games at launch.
This is the right decision. I’m doing the same.
The first game had the same exact save setup, and it was never "addressed". They don't want you to start new characters for whatever reason, the game is certainly designed so you can do everything in 1 (can freely change and level up all classes in one character, there is a cyclical NG+, etc).
It's safe to say it's a design decision, they don't see it as an issue to be addressed.
@@steel5897You could go to the save folder location, delete the save and start anew in the first DD, from what I heard you can't do that in DD2 is that true? That's what I did in DD1, keep a copy of old save somewhere and just start a new character (I had 2 characters 1 pure physical the other pure magick based on stat leveling), I could switch between them by copy and paste the save files.
@@yuesu2325 no you can still do that, just like DD1. You just have to turn off cloud saves on Steam for the game or it's going to undo your deletion when you boot the game up.
Won't improve.
Some aspects will; critical bugs will get fixed, performance might improve.. but the way the game works? I doubt it. Stuck this way for eternity.
Past Capcom releases never changed post release beyond bug fixes and DLC content. No hope that this will ever change.
Hope to be proven wrong though.
What sucks is that the game itself is very fun. I played for 6 hours non stop on my PC last night but yeah the performance issues suck and are in your face every time you go to a city. This was game of the year material, truly unique gameplay and exploration let down by performance. That said the motion clarity and Nvidia reflex settings do help somewhat make the game playable for those who aren't pedantic about frame rate and image quality.
Yeah. The game is super fun imo. I like how unpredictable and chaotic it can get. But the performance in the city is abysmal. Really hope a monster doesn't ever get kited in there until there is some kind of fix. Lol
That's the really sad part of all this. Capcom have a winner on their hands here, but the game isn't as fun as it should be if it runs like its on a potato :(
You are in the wrong space for not being pedantic about image quality etc. Digital Foundry is the foundation of highlighting visuals and performance for those who look for high quality, for both consoles and PC.
Maybe its your hardware a bit too. Doenst have the game dlss?
@@cheesyspace didn't you watch the fucking review? the game dips below 40fps on a freaking RTX 4090 with DLSS on!
Dragons Smegma 2 brought back the performace of the original PS3 launch of the first game. Noooice.
My 7800x3d is sweating and stuttering.
I don't really know what makes the NPC AI so heavy compared to something like RDR2 which has tons of smart and capable AI walking around and runs fine.
Rockstar the only decent developer
@@JamieRobert_ If not counting those GTA and RDR remasters but I think those were outsourced.
@@bb5307Rockstar don't give a damn about old games, that's why they don't even try with remasters
@@melxvee6850they shouldn’t have even tried with how bad they handled it honestly.
@@HifeMan community asking for it, they keep asking for remasters, all that's left now is GTA IV
The performance on offer here REALLY worries me for Monster Hunter Wilds.
That one will be much lighter probably the same as world doesnt seem to have any graphic imorovement over it probably because it will be a switch 2 release
they don't have the npc simulation on cities which brings the cpu bound problems so I think it's fine
i hope it run fine but the game not have crazy graphic like DD2
Maybe, DD2 is pushing 1000 Npcs and MH Wilds seems to be pushing more monsters on screen than old games.
Monster Hunter Wilds already looks weird actually, go watch the trailer again, I don’t know why but the graphics look really bad and actually worse than Monter Hunter World.
"Alex is going to interject here with some thoughts on the PC version." *me not watching my screen as an ad starts at that moment* "Hi, I'm Ryan Reynolds." 🤨
do you see ads in 2024? why?
@@PinoisreadingabookThe NPCs are needed
or he's watching on a TV or mobile@@Neb_Raska
@@walter4180 exactly this, was watching on my phone while in the shower
16:44 "pretty sure it's the density of the city" *walks by only 2 NPCs in 10 seconds of running*
"Performance concerns have Arisen" please tell me you used arisen intentionally
Pretty obvious
Oh man i forgot when you are 18 you have to stop having fun@MsSkuzi
Matrix has you, Neo
😂
@@GrooveSpaceArkYou killed him
Yeah, one of the things that immediately stood out was the appearance of NPCs when they were 10ft away from you.
Yeah, NPCs immediately stand out of thin air
It's odd to me that the npc ai is blamed for the bad performance, but the npcs just appear and disappear intermittently. Maybe the approach they took was a waste of resources that resulted in a lower quality product. Sounds like a bad choice.
@@ikswoltokyrogerg8460their appearence disapear but they are still running on the background
They have routines even though you cant see them. The sims 3 does this, where an npc is taking a shower on the other side of the city, but his animations and his appearences are not rendered.
@@MemoriesLP They dont, thats just marketing and nonsense, also, that is not expensive at all nowadays, and it shouldnt be with those extremely expensive cpus
@MemoriesLP My point was that if they are going to expend the overhead on npcs having routines, the npcs should be, at least, of a quality consistent with games from this century. I can't remember the last time I saw npc pop-in like this, but it was probably on the N64. I love the game, but I would be embarrassed if these were my npcs.
i just love the way you guys, especially alex, point out the 'user experience' site of the games you are reviewing, very important and often overlooked part of reviewing games
I don't know what it is but it looks so much like Skyrim with an ENB.
actually, Skyrim can look way better than this LOL!
@@xBINARYGODxand run way better
Skyrim, lol, you need your eyes checked pal.
@@Venom_Bytedon't speak about things you don't know anything about, you HAVE NOT seen skyrim visually modded.
At least Skyrim Just Worked when it released.
Ah, NPCs fading out at short distance, a clasic trick familiar from the 1998 game "The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time".
So is the 24 FPS framerate!
Actually at least it's not that bad. DD1 on PS3 WAS that bad though.
@@steel5897 Zelda actually had a locked frame rate, a stable 20 FPS.
Developers need to stop focusing on 4K for consoles. Console games need to be developed at 1440p 60FPS. Don’t need forced ray tracing either
Developers (Especially Japanese ones) need to step up their game, last gen games looked on par with this at 4k. Nowadays when devs are forced to work, it's considered overworking.
For real. 1440p is undistinguishable from 4k 90% of the time and yall can fight me on this i dont care.
@@deathtrooper2048 because they are overworked. This kind of thing isn't dev's not working hard enough. It's "devs not skilled enough," "devs not given enough time," management issues, development problems, poor direction and leads etc. There's countless reasons but pretty much never "devs were lazy and don't care"
1440p isn't enough. Consoles often target a resolution around 1440p then upscale it to 4K. You need to go way lower on the current console generation if you want a stable 60 fps at the current fidelity.
It is not really 4k 😂 oh presents
Dragon's Dogma taught me that "aught" means "something".
It's crazy because Red Dead Redemption 2 is smoother on the base PS4, than DG2 on any current platform. Make it make sense.
RDR2 is probably 3 times as expensive as DD2
@@LN.2233then DD2 has no business trying to look better when it can't even handle stable 30fps
The reason PS4 runs Red Dead Redemption 2 better than PS5 runs Dragon's Dogma 2 is because the PS4, in its jaguar CPU, uses a special technology named the Twinkle Vane Process, which is characterized by rendering frames much faster than other consoles do, rendering them in a game just a few seconds after they're drawn in the RAM, and running the frames off a "swap bus" to reduce latency between the CPU and GPU, that rendering takes about 25% less time on a PS4 than it does on a PS5, resulting in much more fluid gameplay.
But RDR2 PS4 looks like absolute ass
@@electricant55 one what planet does DD2 look better? Are you smoking something too old to smoke, darling?
Shoutout to Capcom for the stealth Switch version.
Haha that’s what they did to Rise of the Ronin
@@caio5987Rise of Ronin is buttery smooth man..I'd rather have that over claymation jank any day.
@@caio5987rise of the ronin is better
@@capnphuktard5445 yes but it looks like a ps3 game
@@caio5987 I don't know man I'm pretty hard to impress it looks okay to me. It's got team ninja written all over it for sure
All I want in life is a next gen/pc update for RDR2 😢
55% gpu utilization at 4kQ-DLSS & Max settings with RT is abysmal. Truly a shame
I don’t know what kind of genius Capcom is to not realize we need that god damn 30 fps cap on console to clean up those micro stutter caused by Vsync
It doesn't hold even 30 in cities and fights. Constant 26-28 fps on PS5 at least in fights. How is this game ready to be shipped in this state is crazy.
PS5 Pro is coming just wait on it
do you think it will help when pc not run good@@LN.2233
@LN.2233
Same cpu so it will run the same.
Consoles are quite old now so I get the 30fps cap but the pc issues are not ok
The hell with ray tracing,.....give me good baked lighting with stable 60fps.
There you go *hands horizon forbidden west*
In pc section you can see that turning it off does not help much
then the game would be 200gb....
Asking for baked lighting in a dynamic day/night cycle game smh...you guys really don't know how this stuff works.
Speak for yourself! RT is the future of game development.
So I’m convinced at this point this generation of consoles is basically ONLY for running last gen games and last gen quality games at 60fps and multiplayer games at 120fps. That’s it. Kinda worth it for multiplayer games I guess.
It's not a hardware problem, its a software problem. Gaming developers just take don't prioritize optimization as much anymore.
This game visually looks like something released quite a few years ago, like a 2014-2016 range, absolutely mindboggling how a game like that can't get a stable frames even on current gen consoles.
The times when games were packed with all sorts of mechanics that justified taxing our CPUs and tried to get much better visuals shredding our GPU's, are over now, we just get games that look exactly the same or even worse then a 6 year old titles, but working like a complete garbage.
I don't know if it's less talented people in the industry, or devs getting lazy, producers getting greedier and for example take money from the hardware companies only to force us to purchase new shit every year.
Probably all things at once, absolutely disgusting.
Every year i play less games, DD2 and Rise of Ronin are another titles that i removed from my "play and enjoy" list, and this trend continues, im starving for a good title... and everything i waited for become a big disappointment.
But seeing all these white knights, i understand that there are some new slave generations liking this treatment, they love when big corpos spit in their faces and they just say that it's raining.
If it's not going to change i might just being forced to find the new hobby in a near future.
I think it's the raytraced GI + open world that brings the performance down to it's knees.
Modern games initial days/weeks of launch have become a final testing phase of a development life cycle. Its sad
First time?
@@bargaintuesday812 Not the first time but I have observed almost all games these days are like this
@@sharangagnihotri1511 It's been like this for well over a decade now.
@@sharangagnihotri1511frontiers of pandora ran beautifully at launch.
Open-world RPGs have always shipped with huge performance issues since the 90s. Did you start playing video games in 2020?
Idk what everyone in the comments are complaining about. $70 for an unfinished and unoptimized game is a bargain! I’m SUPER happy I bought it! And before any says “the game doesn’t work” FYI the micro transactions work just fine.
I really wish u guys did a more deep dive for the PC port with multiple different CPUs(considering the game is CPU bottlenecked) from both Intel and AMD to check its scaling across the number of cores, whether Hyper-threading active and disabled has any advantage or disadvantage, the effects of E-cores, and whether the 3D V cache chips perform significantly better than its non 3D parts or is clock speed better for the town scenario.
Hopefully we can buy a performance fix DLC for $19.99 soon.
He's joking about the micro transactions.
@@CDJaramillo92 If this was EA, that would be sound business advice, going on some of the crazy things they've said when it comes to DLC and microtransactions lol.
@@CDJaramillo92 RE4 and DMC5 had the exact same type of mtx. Why is now suddenly worth mentioning with DD2? You can easily obtain all items in game.
Dumbest criticism of the game. If you’re going to criticize DD2 for microtransactions, you should do the same for every other Capcom game since 2017, including universally beloved ones like MHW, RE2, DMC5 and RE4RE.
All micro-transactions are optional and inconsequential and unobtrusive. I dislike microtransactions as a whole, but Capcom has one of the most inoffensive implementations of mtx in the entire industry.
Street Fighter x Tekken says hi, charging extra for content that was already on the disc.
Yeah, this game is the definition of "coming in hot". Hopefully they can get these fixes out in a timely manner.
Keep hoping bro
The timely manner ended on release day. Now its just overdue.
@@yourlocalhuman3526 I'm playing the game with frame gen at 120fps outside of the city I'm the meantime.
Sooo it's the ps3/360 all over again
13:08 -- "... we're looking at a game that is profoundly heavy..." Video shows character lifting a massive stone.
I love subtle humor.
An option to disable Ray tracing with a resolution of 1440p would’ve been a good choice for this game for consoles.
no it will still be CPU bound
@@yousefbasim Even more of a reason to disable it. Ray tracing is very heavy on CPUs, especially the ones in the consoles.
@@BarneyGoogl
then why we need ps5 ? it's OK for games to ambitious and use heavy graphics technologies
It doesn’t help, I’ve done this exact thing on PC, it’s very obviously CPU bound.
They’ve acknowledged that each NPC draws on CPU usage individually, it’s the weirdest thing I’ve ever heard..
the mistake was associating choice with a console game
These texture bugs in Series S are the same ones that happen in Street Fighter 6 and Resident Evil 4. In Resident Evil 4, some players already discovered that you can solve the problem by logging into your Series X and disabling ray tracing. When you return to Series S with the same account, the problem is completely solved, so maybe something similar is happening in this game. In Street Fighter 6, if you do a few tricks during the fights, you can see the textures loading in the middle of the fight and they stay loaded for the rest of the following matches if you keep playing without changing characters, and when you play the World tour you can see that all the fighters' textures load normally without this bug. Capcom doesn't seem to care about fixing simple bugs in its games, so I won't be surprised if this game continues to have this problem for the rest of its life, since it hasn't fixed it in the games I've mentioned.
WHY do game character always run like they have to take a shit?!? I am so tired of this!
Dragon's Dogma 2 brought to you by Investors
Releasing just in time for the fiscal year no matter what state the game's in!
@@PlazDreamweaver I was thinking the same thing, it’s why it never got the extra time for optimisation.
Why don't Sony and Microsoft fail these games in certification?
Aren't they tired of someone else's unoptimized software making their flagship console hardware look bad?
The exclusive should be used for judgement,till now both console have few of this and can still be pushed but very few developers are capable of
Cyberpunk passed on PS4 and One S/X at launch lmao. Not sure what the criteria is for or what they cert but it ain’t much apparently.
Probably because Microsoft's games don't run much better.
@@pixeljauntvr7774 Sony still allowed the sales as well so regardless. Why “Certify” a game if shits abysmal on launch lol.
@@pixeljauntvr7774 True. They should set the standard... and enforce it.
Sony seems to do a pretty good job on PS5 (excluding H: Forbidden West, at release) but their PC ports are a mixed bag (excluding H: Forbidden West, oddly enough :).
This game Lip syncing is worse than Mass Effect Andromeda yet noone is saying a thing...This is a game that has 2009 written all over it it's a shame!
Yeah, that looked worse than the ones in Skyrim. Quite baffling, because the faces are way more detailed than both (modded) Skyrim and ME Andromeda.
You guys need to mention more how the PS5's VRR only works at 48+ fps more often, because that's the main reason I get the Series X copy of all multi platform games (unless it's fps is rock solid across the board). I'll wait for the textures to be fixed
If a 7800x3D can't handle it... Nothing can :x
4 years later, some cpu will be laughing at this game at 150 fps
he didnt test a intel cpu
@@GForceIntel did a cpu ever laugh at saints row 2?
Only og's will understand that
13700k and 4080 here and I don't dip below 60 on max settings but using DLSS quality on a 3840x1600 monitor. 90-120 fps in the wilds
Love how Alex refers to "killing Goblins" while he just murders a deer.
That deer had it coming the way he was trying to jump into the bridge repeatedly.
That Bambi was a goblin
I think it's just proof they don't actually play the game. Probably some unnamed "intern" or something
Deer was camping the bridge to take a toll in gold.
It's a metaphor. He's literally fixing bugs by slaying them.
It's insane how we've got to this point already with how bad the performance is on consoles especially considering that they're actually still quite powerful, games look and run like shit
almost 4 years in? Ps4 exclusives ran 30fps on day one.
@xm1808 yea but the ps4 and xbox one were already underpowered on launch the ps5 and series x weren't and still aren't compared to most peoples PC's
Love the Alex & Oliver collab, I wish DF members would do collab segments on more on videos like this one. John seems to spotlight the beauty more often and I know he doesnt like covering pixel peeping frametime junk as much anymore but I'd still love to hear him talk about the visuals and atmosphere and tone of the game in a broader context as part of a more technical video like this.
It's like an Xbox 360 game with 4K textures.
Staying true to the original
Not on Series S, theses textures looks like a PS2 game.
360 games were better than new games like Horizon ZD/FW. so you are making me hyped.
@@AristotelesSantosSouzahop off PS2, some of those games still look great
You are nuts
Looks like an early ps4 game. Blows my mind this struggles on newer consoles.
Exactly. Newer tech doesn't mean it is being utilised as cleverly. The NPC pop in is like something out of the PS1 era.
Does not look like it irl. RUclips compression does not do it justice. Geometry, foliage, and lighting are leagues above most games.
@noidsuper nope, it's the best at it doing 90s style npc pop in though.
@@noidsuper yea the characters do though
You are JOKING. On the PS5 at times it looks photo realistic!
Gotta love this gen of gaming. Loading practically gone, but if you want a decent frame rate and npcs to not pop up 5ft from you, well you’re asking too much. Meanwhile at least half the games coming out are made to run on ps4 but we need a ps5 pro though.
Yeah and the Pro will use the same CPU with a boost of 10% adn the cpu limited game will still cpu limited like DD2. So more GPU power doesn't bring more FPS becaus DD2 on PS5 Pro will still at the 30s in towns (at the current state of the game) xD
The performance totally killed my interest for now. I might come back to this game months later and buy a used copy just to make sure capcom doesn’t get any money.
Why? Performance is fine
@@leighsherval1023 Wdym for fine? That the game runs?
@@leighsherval1023 Did you shut off your eyes and ears when the video described all the performance issues?
Same. Thought that looks good the other day, then heard 'performance issues'. 😐
@@beyond72deepsoulfulhousemixes I regret buying the PS5 honestly... I've never seen a generation of console becoming that old and underpowered in 1 year basically...
What I want to know is how do all these review sites give out 9s and 10s to games like this that have abysmal performance
Money
because they are liars and they also have their own bias. This wasn't The Wrong Game from The Wrong company, so push the hype - normally it won't backfire enough to matter- so lie lie lie, and don't think Force or ACG or those types are better - they are in fact worse because they hide behind the single-man-oh-so-not-biased-keep-it-real BS they spin. BTW if someone regularly tells you they have no spin, they have more spin that regular - 10000% of the time.
Look at IGN's review for your answer! People *EXPECTED* 9's & 10's, and then rage at reviewers when they don't give those scores.
The IGN review got downvoted to hell & back, with so many people angry at the reviewer for "only" giving it an 8. It's like Starfield all over again... People love to crap on IGN, so when they gave it a 7/10, everyone blamed them for being dumb or biased.
Fans want confirmation bias, not accuracy.
or
now hear me out
different reviewers can have different criteria. A game's performance is only a single metric.
If a reviewer plays the game on waht is likely a high end system, the performance issues would be more negligible as cities would only majorly be affected, therefore higher score just as an example
Not all reviewers are out to lie to you dude lmfao
Many are commenting on the shoddy performance and giving it higher scores because a 9/10 game doesn't become a 6 because it struggles to run on other people's hardware@@xBINARYGODx
It's not even just the performance. If this ran ultra smooth, it would still be crazy to call this GOTY. The story is meh, the editing and sequencing in the story cinematics is also meh, and the voice acting is between alright to just bad. Plus, the art direction is so focused on being medieval English countryside, it forgot it could try and take some artistic risks every now and then, but nope, it's very dull and brown.
Fun climbing on big monsters and stabbing them? Yes, it is fun, but that's kinda all it is.
Performance concern have ARISEN
How kind of Capcom to release this at the same time as the Horizon PC port, Guerrilla games' release window curse has finally lifted!
Thank god I’m not done with ff7 rebirth yet. Will see how this performs in about 2 weeks
Still gonna be a shitshow even after 3 months, I guarantee you!
I’d be so disappointed playing this after FF7 rebirth. The fact that the pc version of DD2 is so close to FF7R metacritic is wild to me. They couldn’t be further apart in terms of quality
@@Cruxis_Angel yeah I dont know how people are giving it a 9 or 10/10 when the frames drop so significantly even if you have a 4090
Steam users having a field day roasting Capcom. Capcom really should be ashamed of themselves charging full price for this. The game even dips into the 20’s on console. Games running at 24fps in 2024, how fitting! Hard pass from me.
Hope they continue to roast them since this is unacceptable when they want to increase the price of games to 70+$Dollars How could they mess this up. Plus they have the balls to try and charge micro transactions ( for rift stones and to recreate your character!!!? ) nah. Let them see how they change when enough complain and say no.
@@transcendentvibeYeah and I think Capcom deserves it because Dark Arisen was also capped to 30fps on console and they never patched it, so even if you’re playing the game on PS5 or Xbox Series X, it’s still running at unstable 30fps, and now they did it again with Dragon’s Dogma 2.
Remember back in the PS3 and 360 days when developers were already making promises of 60fps as standard? Then they did it again with PS4 and Xbox One, and then they did it again with PS5 and Xbox Series X. At this point, it’s clear they value fidelity over 60fps performance, so we’ll still be getting 30fps games 20 years from now. Sure, lots of games have a performance mode, but 60fps should already be the standard. 30fps shouldn’t even be in the conversation.
Honestly, I’m losing my interest in gaming, and console gaming is actually getting worse.
it future now game will 70$
And in addition to this, most big Western games companies want to inject their political messaging into games as well. These people are destroying gaming.
Crazy to me how people can call this a "masterpiece" when it runs like this. People had the audacity to bash FF7 Rebirth for the "blurry" performance mode which in reality wasn't as bad as people said it was imo.
The 7800X3D is struggling with a game!? Please tell me it ain't so.
Yeah, hard pass for me as well... i thought i would be safe at 1080p with an 7800X3D but devs like this find a way to make everything unplayable: even on the best hardware at now low resolution like 1080p...
@@Z3t487I'm playing at 1080p and I really wouldn't call it unplayable. If you want unplayable, look at Callisto protocol launch. That was unplayable. People don't know what unplayable framerate looks like
@@Z3t487even on 1080p? That’s insane
@@Z3t487This is literally the only game I’ve played that gave my 5800X3D a hard time. They really need to patch it.
@@Z3t487bro it's actually fucking insane
I'll be finishing ff7r then starting ronin while this game cooks a little more, I waited over a decade I can wait some more
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Summary:
Visual competent
Lighting is the highlight and impressive
Performance is bad on all platforms, possible they may increase core utilization on PC
No CPU can keep the game at 60 fps or higher in towns
Wild guess but the two cores being idle on the 7800x3d at 17:43 may be because on consoles, a single core (two threads) are reserved for the OS.
On PC some engineers decide to only use 90% or so of the cores, to not make the PCs other tasks getting too impacted by the application. This is good for heavy work applications... And during development of a game as you expect to do other things on the PC simultaneously. But kn release it is not really expected. But might just be a case of that setting not changing for release builds as it probably should.
10/10 and 9/10 everywhere, though.
Reviewers openly admit they don't know what they are supposed to be looking for regarding performance.
Imagine reviewing cars and not being able to describe whether it drives well or not.
But now we can see all the reviews who put a 10/10 and think twice before taking them seriously
That's a very poor analogy, it'd only apply if the performance was an active 1:1 relation with how the gameplay feels, which is not the case up to a certain point.
For whatever it's worth the game is much smoother than the original DD1 game on PS3/360. Sure it's not ideal, the performance is subpar, but apply some perspective and you'll see it doesn't ruin the enjoyment of the game enough to warrant a score drop beyond 1 or at most 2 points, if you're trying to be fair.
Yeah I always think performance issues are out of their consideration. Never get why they would give any game with such performance on what ever hardware so high ratings.
If it doesn't bother them it doesn't bother them. They aren't wrong for loving it with all it's performance issues.
@@i3l4ckskillzz79 how about many of them not mentioned the mtx? is that also not in their consideration - and yes, many of them, if not all, DID know about it.
the honest answer is they are mostly a bunch of liars, and they have strong biases to boot. Not better now vs the magazines they were in the 90's, maybe in fact worse.
imagine u cant properly play the game with a 3080 ti
I have no idea why Japanese devs have such a difficult time optimising their games, especially for PC.
That 86 at MC seems suspicious
Performance can be patched
I really hope they can fix the performance, love this game.
Yes despite those issues I really enjoy the game too ...
Ugh no game should EVER release that averages only 30 FPS anymore. So sickening! Why are people buying this at the state its in?!
If an 8 core 16 threads CPU can't handle a game properly, then its not an issue with the hardware. Because of better CPUs in new gen consoles, developers have stopped caring about CPU optimization altogether.
Why do people pay full price for modern AAA games?
To play them at day one.
Fomo
I mean it’s not like everyone is buying every AAA games that comes out. I bought this game but I didn’t buy no AAAA games. lol
@@HifeManGTA 6 will probably be first AAAAA game, hence the 100 $ pricetag.
@@Z3t487 Your source on the $100 price tag? lol Pretty sure it’s gonna be the new standard $70.
14:39 what da dog doin
The hell man, i don’t want to buy 30 fps game for 70$. 60 fps should be the standard for consoles nowadays.
I have noticed that DLSS is not working at all sometimes. The image just gets really low res or something not only the grass. And for the Raytracing i think there are some flawns with the voliage, the trees look not green they lock black or grey when the sun isnt directly hitting them which looks weird.
I would've preferred a more detailed and specific breakdown of the PC settings. Like Interlaced vs Progressive? What do the presets actually affect?
I guess it means only rendering half of the horizontal lines one frame then the other half next frame and putting it together as a final frame.
Who the fark plays anything interlaced in 2024
Been playing in a series x with VRR on and not going to lie. I didn’t even think the framerate was that low. Felt more in the 40s - 50s to me. I only really noticed in the big cities but still nothing I couldn’t just look past until I got back into the action.
that's because series x has good VRR support. I have a PS5 and Series X so i'll be playing this on series x. The checkerboarding image quality issues don't bother me as much as framerate. They will eventually fix the checkerboarding stuff anyway
Why on earth did they not allow 120hz output on PS5 and low frame rate compensation? It baffles me when the system level access to this feature on the Series consoles makes an appreciable difference. Why haven’t DF raised this or any of the other reviewers with Capcom? I have tried but no response as yet.
@@AlphaDwg No, it's just that anecdotal evidence is terrible. VRR on Xbox has a minimum requirement of 40fps so especially in cities when VRR breaks it will be extremely noticeable, more so than if you weren't running VRR at all. Anything below 60fps is unacceptable to me so even though I'm a PC gamer I'll be waiting on performance patches before I buy anything. It's just unfortunate that this console cycle started off finally giving console players the 60fps experience and that's just a nearly forgotten memory now. People should really get higher standards, console players refuse to so companies just get away with it.
@@BadMenite That is what LFC is for which the XSX supports by default. Before the game came out DF already talked about it in their weekly shows. 120Hz + LFC VRR on the Xbox makes the game "playable".
@@jumborice6560 VRR was patched in later for the PS5, in fact it is not a hardware level function so it isn't automatic for games. Anyone who wants to use it needs to make a specific patch and their own LFC solution for it (if they want to support low framerate VRR at all). As for 120Hz support, most devs don't care about it because not many people have screens for them. Their logic is basically if you are that "picky" then you probably play on a PC. There are a bunch of larger and smaller issues like this, it is a miracle we have - many times unstable - 60fps modes in most games. Publishers don't want to spend money and resources on options.
I was so hyped when they announced this game. I went back and played the original again on my PS5, and all I could think was "I cant wait to play this at a higher framerate". It was a day 1 purchase for sure. Until they announce the uncapped fr and no option for performance. I noped out at that point and probably wont pick up the game at all now
Shoutout to whoever decided to name their NPC Casca
I have been anxiously awaiting this video becuase you are the only source I trust to actually determine the casue of the performance issues. I have seen so many people just turn on upscaling and wonder why it doesnt help and im willing to bet its a CPU bottleneck because CAPCOM chose to target 30FPS.
Exactly. It's so infuriating seing all these "4090 only gets X amount of frames in this game" posts, when it's entirely cpu bound.
I don't think Capcom "targeted" anything, it's a mess. I think people would be happier with a 30 FPS cap on consoles, especially with the amount of 60hz TVs out there.
On PC you have a lot more freedom, but even there to some it's kind of a hard pill to swallow to cap a PC game at sub 60 framerates. I recommend people take that pill though because the game is worth playing.
@@steel5897They did target it though? Look at their comments on PS5 and XSX performance before release and look at the Steam system requirements.
"Additional Notes: Estimated performance: 2160i/30fps. Framerate might drop in graphics-intensive scenes. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti or AMD Radeon RX 6800 required to support ray tracing."
They were very upfront the game was targeting 30 fps. Now that is a stupid target, but they did not hide anything.
Upscaling does help, but yes it's primarily a CPU issue. Upscaling is sort of like a band aid. It's not going to fix the worst of the problems but it does help
@@truedps8 thank you I was starting to think I was the only person who saw that.
Thankfully they fixed the microtransactions! They added them as a day one patch. WHOOF. I WAS SOO WORRIED THEY MIGHT NOG BE THEERERERERE!
Classic Capcom. Hopefully reviewers raise this discussion before the next game releases and don’t have to act ‘blindsided’ after launch. Lol. Capcom has been pulling this shit for nearly 2 decades now.
The first game had these same microtransactions in 2012 on Xbox 360 & PS3
@@LN.2233 I guess it's not 2012 anymore.
@@flushit. They did it in 2023 too
DMC5 and RE4R(heh, rear) has microtransactions too.
Undercooked and unfinished not surprised
Nah, in this case it is surprising. Capcom have been releasing bangers like DMC5, the MH games and of course the RE games; most of which run beautifully. And even so, the core gameplay of DD2 is fine; it's just marred down utterly by the optimization.
This completely derailed a very smooth track record.
Most of capcom's are like this, DMC5 and Monster Hunter were the exceptions. SF6 world tour and RE4 are examples of this.@@BababooeyGooey
Shipping a game where a 4090 can just about keep 60fps in most cases is scandalous... with DLSS. That chunk should be churning out 3x more fps than that at native. Ridiculous.
4090 can easily keep 60. The CPU usage is the problem.
Ray tracing and high resolution are the worst things to happen to console gaming in the history of gaming
It’s mostly just RT
Yes they should have skipped RT this gen. Doesn’t seem like it was worth it overall even though some games figured it out. Seems to have hurt more than it helped.
I would take 1080p to 1440p with 60fps. No ray tracing, everything on consoles. The industry needs to get it into their head that 60fps performance target should be the minimum acceptable level for games, and then add visual bells and whistles if they have the over head, extending to more impressive visuals the higher the PC someone has.
Bro the RE Engine had traversal stutter on RE2 with such small map let alone this game with its huge map.
I like really, I mean truly, cannot be bothered to even respond to such a comment, I mean geez louise, REALLY?!?!?!?!?
you cant respond cuz you know its true?@@theconsolekiller7113
I’m so sick of devs forcing their vision on everyone. If you want to make something as pretty as you can make it, then add those options on PC, but do whatever you have to do to get it to run at 60fps on console. Looking at this game, there isn’t any reason for it to run under 60, other than they just wanted to crank up the resolution, ray-tracing and other taxing features that could easily have been turned down a little or turned off. Being able to turn off RT, and lowering the resolution to around 1200 would have greatly helped. Almost no one actually cares about getting 4K resolution, and even fewer people can tell the difference.
I love ray-tracing, but not if it drops me under 60. There are better looking games that easily hit 60, because the right choices were made to achieve that. This is why, no matter how powerful they make consoles, we’ll potentially never see the day where every single game is a minimum 60fps. If every time we get a new powerful console, devs just go all out on visuals, then the new powerful console still won’t be able to hit higher frame rates.
The DF crew is undefeated. Love them guys
PS5 pro 10% CPU clock boost sure is going to help /s
Sadly the engine appears so poorly optimised that 10% will be meaningless.
@@jumborice6560 that was the joke.
@@coliander4180 👍
Poorly optimized game will forever be poorly optimized, if a 4090 and the what is regarded as the best gaming CPU maintain the framerate then a something like console with a constrained power budget will fail obviously
Put a GPU like RTX4090 or similar on your imaginary PS5 Pro and tell me if it would improve the FPS or not.
RE Engine is super efficient with rendering, but falls apart whenever complex simulation is involved. The World Tour mode in SF6 hammering CPUs was the first big red flag.
Sad to see, because the game is incredible. If you're on PC I think the move is to cap your FPS based on the limits of your CPU, which is unusual, and then crank the visuals up as high as you can to enjoy the GPU headroom afforded by doing that. I settled on 45 FPS on a 3060 Ti paired with a i5 12400F, it's perfectly smooth aside from hitches in the capital city.
And before the snobby PC "60 FPS is the bare minimum" people yell at me, you should know I played and enjoyed the original DD1 game on a PS3 and that thing ran at an average of 24 FPS. I'm good.
24 FPS?? That's literally the same as your average movie 🤣
"Its not the size of the ocean within that matters, but the rotation action around the tip" - Swanch Danson
Graphics/performance is the least of the game's problem. The biggest flaw for me is the lack of New Game option - if we accept this, there's no going back.
0:54 "But performance concerns have Arisen" ....nice Oliver.
Love me 25fps on a $500 "next gen" console. Simple as!