Genesis tells Sephiroth the Truth about Jenova - Crisis Core Final Fantasy 7 Reunion (4K)
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Oh wow….Sephiroth was actually a person with a heart that got broken and shattered into a billion pieces all while dealing with the existential terror that he was “special” in the sense that he’s a monster.
I guess that's the first time for you to experience final fantasy 7 lore
It's worse than that. Sephiroth was raised in the isolation of the lab, and then finally got two friends, Angeal and Genesis, when he basically became a child soldier. Then Genesis betrays them all and runs off, and seemingly gets killed. Just as Sephiroth kind of got over that and forged some friendship with Angeal's student Zack, Angeal runs off to join not-actually-dead Genesis and now Sephiroth and Zack are ordered to kill Angeal and Genesis. Sephiroth actually disobeys orders several times, specifically tells Zack "ok, we'll catch up and then fail to eliminate them, and hopefully your puppy eyes can convince them to come back since I couldn't", then, when it fails, lets Zack to go back to Aerith to mourn Angeal's death, while mourning in solitude himself, and then, when he barely got over it and was already on the verge of defecting from Shinra because of how awful Shinra was being, he gets sent to Nibelheim. So yeah, his whole life he wanted to be a normal human being and have friends. Then said friends kept leaving and betraying him, and he found out he's been a monster all along.
@@sunnyhill7919 FF7 Reality. The Harshness and Heartlessness of Shinra, can indeed destroy a single person, or creature all because of a so-called "Promised Land".
In my eyes, he was never a monster. The greatest monsters here were professor Hojo and Jenova. Sephiroth was a human with infused Jenova cells. Sephiroth was alone and abandoned, this is why he easily submitted his will to Jenova.
@@aydanrzayeva6210 The Wutai war and the corpses he piled on say otherwise.
Way to go Genesis. You just turned your best friend into Gaia's antichrist and gave him an Oedipus complex that could give Norman Bates a run for his money.
im dying
@@DarkPrinceInc Here take my cells.
@@edwardconkle687 buy me a drink first before you start trying to share cells, bro.
Fucked up part, SPOILERS Jenova isn't even his mother. Hojo created Sephiroth using the DNA from Lucrecia. This dude is lying his ass off and Sephiroth is nothing more than a puppet for an alien parasite.
@@finalfantasy1912 Genesis isn't lying. He's not even saying she's his mother, he's just saying what Sephiroth assumes from 'her' this is her true nature and origins. Sephiroth is believing she's his mother still, Genesis is only confirming he comes from her. Jenova may not be his mother by Birth, but she is a part of what genetically made him. So. Gen isn't lying, he's just saying specific truths in a harsh assholish way
Yeah Genesis, go ahead and tell the only person who's having an existential crisis and on the verge of mental collapse, the horrid truth of his origin BEFORE asking him to help you get out of your degradation.
Wow, who knew Genesis's thirst for melodrama would be his own undoing. Oh wait, WE all did.
I guess he meant to do that on purpose to bring everyone down with him even when sephiroth decided not to help him it's like he didn't even care in the slidest whether he lives or not
@@mohabalserafe3795 Basically, Genesis thought Sephiroth was a good person even though everyone there was Shinra's guinea pigs. He thought Sephiroth would help him since he isn't really a "Perfect Monster", just a lab experiment. However, at the end of the clip, Genesis throws some criticism on Sephiroth because he was more worried about his ego than helping Genesis and others. That's why Genesis ends by saying "I see. Perfect Monster, Indeed.".
Genesis “LOVELESS”
He is a sassy bitch that loves drama
Who says “you’re a monster!” Then proceeds to ask them for help?!
Y’know the scene where Sephiroth starts holding his head?? I always thought he got some random headache, or that the scene was added to be dramatic or something. bUT ACTUALLY 😎 after suffering from a few myself, I can fully confirm that the man was probably at the verge of a panic attack.
He was probably trying really, REALLY hard to keep himself together, especially after seeing the name “Jenova” on the wall entrance and then seeing literal monsters in the tank made by mako overdose. But holding your head, pulling your hairs, covering your mouth, losing your balance from light-headedness-all those things usually happen before an attack starts. And it’s really sad 🥲 poor baby bwoy
"You will rot." While I like Sephiroth's new voice actor to me George Newborn's take on that line was perfect.
See I felt the exact opposite.
Newbern was an absolute beast in Advent Children, but to be honest I think Hoechlin does better in Crisis Core. Especially the “You will rot” line.
@@fearlesscheshirecat1411 it sounds the exact same as every like he reads. 0 malice, 0 hatred. Just the exact same monotone delivery as usual. There's a difference between Hoechlin and Newbern's monotone.
Hoechlin is monotone because he's actually trying to sound like an adult when his normal voice is a squeaker voice.
Newbern has a naturally deep voice and can sound naturally like an adult, and his monotone is better because you know that Sephiroth struggles with interactions and such.
Sephiroth doesn't sound older than even the people who he is older than. Like Tifa and Cloud. Both sound deep and mature. Sephiroth? The only reason his voice is slightly "deep" is because he's repeating Newbern's lines in crisis core, tone and pauses and all.
Rebirth when he is a hero will show his squeaker voice, and young Cloud will sound older than Sephiroth once again. You WILL be proven wrong. And I WILL be proven right.
Hoechlin doesn't have a deep voice, he sucks, fire him.
@@zealousrunner7 There’s nothing to prove right or wrong. It’s all subjective opinion lmfao
The point is, you’re annoying as fuck. You’ve been crying and complaining in the comments for literally years now. Get over it lmfao
Literally your entire rant is just your own opinions.
@@zealousrunner7 And Newbern does not have a naturally deep voice lmfao 😂
I’ve seen him in several shows, he intentionally makes his voice sound anime.
His normal voice is actually quite whiny. That right there shows how little you actually know.
@@fearlesscheshirecat1411 whiny? Lmao. Have you seen interviews with him? He sounds like a very chill normal man, while Hoechlin? Lmao. That guy doesn't even sound like he's in his 20s. THAT'S a whiny voice. You can't seriously say Hoechlin has a deeper voice than Newbern. Because that's factually wrong.
"You've never actually met your mother. Let me tell you a story about how I met your mother"
God, Sephiroths hair is still so beautiful. 🥺💕
3:09 Jenova is working her mind fuckery on Sephiroth!
I wonder how history would have changed, had Zack opened that coffin he found, and woke the sleeping guy inside up. Outside of Hojo, that sleeping guy inside is the only one who could tell Sephiroth about his real mother. Hojo knew what he was doing when he said Jenova. He completely erased Lucrecia from the conversation. Any mention of her was probably also purged from the Manor. Best get it from that sleeping boio in the coffin, then.
As a child it was hard to understand, you think of him as evil as a child does. As a man you understand, his core was destroyed and he went mad.
When you're younger, you hate the villains. But as you grow older, you understand them. Or is that how the saying goes?
This all could have been avoided if Sephiroth was the one who gave Genesis the blood transfusion when he got injured.
This scene solidified Genesis as a top 3 character in Crisis Core for me. Not that he wasn't already awesome but his approach here was just 10/10 on point
He was a dumbass here. He tells Sephiroth he’s a monster but asks for his help right after 😂
@@amuroray9115 What was he supposed to do? Lie to him and kiss his ass? "No problem bro you're 100% human, but uh...look I need your uhm human cells that uh aren't Jenova or nothing or well they are but uh Jenova isn't a monster she was human but yeah I need those cells to cure my degradation."
Jenova was literally in the tank behind them and only an idiot would try to lie in that scenario where all common sense says that Sephiroth will come to the truth very quickly as he did. Honesty is the best policy here, they're friends, or they're supposed to be and Genesis was right about everything he said. It's not his fault Sephiroth went mad. His sanity was already starting to crack.
How about just ask for help directly instead of ruining Sephiroth’s mind? Nobody asked a Genesis to talk about Jenova lol
@@amuroray9115 He was as direct as possible. How did Genesis ruin his mind? Sephiroth was already starting to lose it before Genesis even spoke a word. He cut the tank and saw the monster. Then he went in the basement and read all the records and lost his mind completely. Genesis had nothing to do with it
This is before Sephiroth went into the Shinra Manor basement and read all the records
Genesis should have kept his mouth shut about Jenova and just asked for help.
Ok, now that Rebirth is out and this scene is played again without Genesis (just like in the OG game) makes me think that the devs understood that having Genesis here was fucking stupid and decided to scrap every trace of him during the Nibbleheim visit. Seriously, IDK how they thought including Genesis here would make this scene better.
"your genes cant be diffused" "share your cells with me" Well which one is it brother ??
Dude the old Seph voice was so much better, holy shit.
2:24
Care to explain all the clones he makes in FF7?
Did Sephiroth ever discover that Lucretia is his mother and not Jenova?
Nope, that's what hurts me the most.
If he knew he had another biological mom that still existed, and that she still cared for him, Sephiroth would've been a completely different person growing up.
But to be fair, it was all her fault to begin with. She had a guilty conscience over what happened to Vincent's Dad and couldn't 'cope', then she went and started a relationship with Hojo* thinking it was for the best (it was not for the best...) after Vincent discovered that Lucretia was part of the research team that was with his Dad looking for the Chaos materia, where he died, ended up screwing both Vincent's and Lucretia's futures permanently.
She was too hard-headed to be reasoned with. She couldn't accept that Vincent was ok with his Fathers' death.
Sephiroth kinda like Hashirama fr
Never realized just how much Genesis looks like brown haired Dante from DMC lol
Lies, Lucrecia is sephiroth's mother. Injecting jenova's cells doesn't count as mothership. If sephiroth know this there wouldn't be ff7 though.
In Rebirth, this scene fades out right before Genesis originally appears, when Sephiroth ask if he's even human, leaving the possibility of Genesis being Canon to the Remake timeline still open
He's 100% canon, he has appeared in every "RE" marketed product in some way...let's just hope he doesn't feel shoehorned here
genesis appears in dirge of cerberus who takes place 1 year after ff7 advent children, so he is canon
I prefer the original voice actors.
This scene is trash compared to the original, i feel nothing. Somehow all dialogue, facial and body expressions are ruined when you compare it to the original PSP game. The same applies to Dissidia 012 and Dissidia NT.
Both are pretty trash. It retconned an important of the original FF7. Genesis talks smack and then asks for Sephiroth’s help. Dumb logic
@@amuroray9115 Nah, i think it's actually the authentic character and behavior of Genesis.
Authentic character and behavior? Genesis’ character is notoriously annoying. Nothing can save him even good animations can’t
It's really dumb if you think about it. Sephiroth the product of perfect experiment defeated on a regular basis by Cloud, a normal guy who somehow absorbed too much Mako energy. Maybe the experiments should have just focused on force feeding mako energy to humans. Cloud beats Seth on a regular basis in movies/games. Sounds like a failed experiment to me.
So much emotion on the perfect face. You are not a monster. You are my husband 💖💖💖
Poor Sephiroth. I cried during this! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭I NEVER liked Genesis. Reunion was actually the first Final Fantasy VII video game I ever played. The Switch version was the most amazing Christmas gift ever! Right now I'm on Chapter 5 and the Genesis boss fight is so annoying. I have died way too many times than I can recall. The BOSS FIGHT with Genesis in Chapter 5: Where Are You? is ridiculous.
Genesis is a terrible character
Too bad genesis didnt tell sepiroth birth mom
I guess Genesis doesn't want Sephiroth to know about his actual mom
Lmao the way he shot Zach with no care in the world
It's kenny omega
They better somehow introduce genesis to the ff7 remakes
God I hope not
@@NeoakiraIV why not
Cause I don’t want to hear about loveless being the greatest thing
Genesis absolutely ruined this scene. They just had to shoehorn him into the moment. I'm not even a purist, but this was just a horrible retcon that was completely unnecessary
Also why tf does Genesis' outfit have cellular degradation too? Nothing here makes sense
Actually the last part makes sense, if you think of cellular degradation like really bad dandruff and it just stains his coat. But I think this part works for Sephiroth, but it also makes him specifically--less evil. In general Crisis Core is a retcon of what Tifa knew Sephiroth to be in some ways. He was unwilling to hunt down his friends per Tseng's analysis and trusted Zack to handle certain situations because he knew Zack cared about Angeal. Also this scene balances out incredibly well with his whole speech in Nibelheim about him not having a family. Him saying he doesn't know what having a hometown is like Cloud. Then any of his chances of that, of any sense of normalcy, of not just being a monster separate and uniquely isolated from everyone around him went away. Now it does have the same effect indirectly in ff7 but the difference is that Genesis isn't there. We are led to believe that Sephiroth angrily and bitterly discovered false answers in the Nibelheim mansion, that human life meant nothing to him (as shown by his reaction to one of the MP's falling from nibelheim bridge and not looking for him) but Crisis Core in general sorta flips that on its head. He didn't look for a different answer, because of the events that were happening to his compatriots (angeal and genesis) and maybe was less likely to seek a better answer after he began to hate everything and everyone around him.
That said while I technically don't like Genesis there, its plausible--there's way too much in the 7 lore not fleshed out. SOLDIER in general wasn't fleshed out, so they did like 2 friggin spin off games related to them. Literally the only story related SOLDIER in the universe are Zack and Sephiroth without any explanation. But then we find out that there are others. Same thing with the Turks, legit no reason to only be Reno, Rude and Tseng (initially) then we find out like SOLDIER most of the turks deserted Shinra due to being excommunicated from the company.
But those extra tidbits might be something people who want to preserve the original don't want--for the observant they were ALWAYS questions.
Nope if anything it was genesis's own disregard for sephiroth feelings is what kicked Things.. got to say .... betrayal is contagious.
Crisis core has such stupid writing you can really only just laugh. 😂
But thats also a scene in the og Crisis Core???
@@miraixoxo2505 .. yes but the OG crisis core, isnt the OG scene. In the OG it only shows zack n sephiroth.
I'll never understand why Japan is so damn heavy on that am i a monster thing....I mean i feel like that's a words to never say if i ever travel there.... I feel like that word shouldn't be said like it just might be racist or something idk lol I feel bad for even talking about it
Ok scene., but...
The music does not fit into these scenes.
So if he heard this prior to nibelheim incident, why would he go mad there and kill everyone after locking himself in the mansion, maybe that's the timeline split,.Genesis.
I feel like, from Genesis's perspective, this is probably how it all went down in his head:
Genesis: "Maybe if I tell Sephiroth the brutal truth about his origins, he will lose all loyalty to Shinra after seeing what they did to make him and help save my life so we can save the planet from Shinra together."
Genesis: *Tells Sephiroth the brutal truth about his origins*
Sephiroth: *goes insane, kills everyone, does not help save Genesis's life, and dedicates himself to destroying the planet quicker and more efficiently than Shinra ever did*
Genesis: "...shit."
Truth. Maybe that’s why he recruited Angeal too 😂
@@jamesssdasds And poor dude failed him as well 😭
Genesis: Attacks Sephiroth on his blind side. Calls him a monster. Verbally tortures him.
Also Genesis: Please, old friend, I need you. Your cells could save my life.
How to win friends and influence people - by Genesis
Right ? 😂
He is saying us monsters should stick together
@@Ahmed-og2jmHe should have learned better after Angeal decided to kill himself after Genesis told him he was a "monster." Genesis is a complete clown and a horrible excuse for a friend.
Genesis is just that desperate and asshole of a friend... Sephy deserved better
@@EvelynL.1112 Wouldn't be surprised the degradation affected his mind in some way.
Zack: GENESIS NO !
stay quiet for 3 min
Zack again: NO STOP !
His ATB meter for replies is on the slowest setting.
@@aratima hahaha good one
Tell Sephiroth that he is a genetically engineered monster, then expect him to help you because you are both months. Smooth brain move, Genesis.
doesn't help that he told him hes a monster nonstop like it helps seph more lol
Actually, Genesis wasn't really calling Sephiroth a monster in a negative way. He was just referring to the fact that they all were hybrids between Jenova and Human. Sephiroth is the "Perfect Monster" because he can't degrade. That's why Genesis trolls him with "I see. Perfect Monster, Indeed." which means that Sephiroth is truly a monster now.
His brain IS degrading lol
Ah yes, the moment Sephiroth the hero dies and Sephiroth the villain is born.
Sephiroth was such a cool character
If only someone told him who his real mother was
@@Kronos0999 you don't know Jack shit of his character if you like the new VA of his
@@Killer_Kris7 You should probably learn to read, redditor
@@Killer_Kris7 he didn’t say that though?
I love it that Sephiroth basically tells Genesis to go to Hell but with different words! He's such a beautiful character!
Yeah, he doesn't need to swear in order to tell people off! They just need to get the message that he's absolutely done with them!
Sephiroth in this scene shows that he's had enough and has given up on Genesis
@@EvelynL.1112 well it helps that genesis is actually rotting. reminds me of the sequel to that episode of the haunting hour where a boy was tricked by a ghost
Sephiroth would have help , but no genesis had to deliver all those low blows till he pushed his friend away smh
“Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip.” Winston Churchill
He wasn’t a monster….
He was a good man with a good heart that only wanted a normal life… with a mom he never had…
ya have a feeling the lifestream and square will give him that closure in the next remake game.
i hope...
No once he realised he was nothing but an experiment he wanted blood
That good man he once was younger..
I feel that if Genesis would have approached him differently, then Sephiroth very well may have given him the cells he needed. But Gene being that beloved drama Llama I have come to adore, delivered the news the worst way.
Yeah, when he was nice. But then they made Sephiroth get a superiority complex.
@@Kronos0999 Genesis has mental issues (he is a paranoid or something similar), he should have received profesional help. Genesis mistakes fiction with reality, he believes his favorite book is reality and he thinks he and his friends are characters fromthat book. This idea subconsciously reached Sephiroth (Sephiroth said the book is on his mind because Genesis recites it a lot).
Also, Genesis envies Sephiroth. Part of Genesis is glad that Sephiroth "has cheated" and is not perfect.
Also, Sephiroth is a normal human (who was used as guinea pig), the fact that Genesis says the alien is Sephiroth's mother means 1 of 3 things:
a) Genesis doesn't know about Biology
b) Genesis didn't understand the documents he has read.
c) Genesis is consciously lying because he wants to hurt Sephiroth (maybe he thinks it's like giving Sephiroth a fatal blow with a sword).
In addition, Angeal is more empathic and emotionally more intelligent. He knew the information would mess with Sephiroth's mind.
Angeal knows Sephiroth has personal issues (a father that doesn't give him love and doesn't give him information about who he is, an abscent mother, etc).
Angeal knows Sephiroth's identity and Sephiroth's mother are important issues for Sephiroth.
The great manipulator behind the world's biggest menace. This is why Genesis is the true main antagonist here
@@dis1488pear he's literally the worst character in the whole compilation and exists solely because Nomura was gay for Gackt
@@tabbofii I'm pretty sure Genesis was meant to be hated one way or another. So it's a win-win situation.
From scenes like this I feel like FF7 won't be complete until Sephiroth knows the truth about Lucrecia. The true villain of the saga has always been Hojo. He was behind every catharsis and was the real cause of all the pain of almost all the characters involved in the story. I have always felt that behind Sephiroth's actions and his madness was Jenova herself. That's why I think he deserves redemption and maybe close the story by dying to be reunited with his real mother in the lifestream. I think it would be a beautiful closure that would make us all cry and smile.
This has been a dream of mine since beating the game so long ago and I was so disappointed with Dirge of Cerberus.
Meh
Yea sephiroth hasn't gotten his full sequel yet even with Advent Children and DIC done
Yes, he was the greatest victim of the story. Hojo was the ultimate villain in this story as well as Shin-Ra corporation which allowed all of this nonsense. He was abandoned and alone and there was nobody next to him, this is why Jenova has taken the advantage of that.
Hojo and jenova are the main villains not sephiroth he was used
When Genesis says, ‘First class SOLDIER Sephiroth!’ Sephiroth sort of snaps to attention. It’s like he was yelled at like that when someone was chastising him or wanted to make sure they had his attention.
it's so cruel. sephiroth was always there for his friends and was willing to fail the mission to save Angeal and Genesis. And Genesis? "You're a monster. you're mother is a monster and i want that you help me like you always did" I'm glad that sephiroth didn't help him. Sephiroth would help Genesis if he would be still a good friend. Sephiroth suffered and the Genesis didn't care. he wasn't there for him, when Sephiroth needed someone.
Sephiroth was a friend to Genesis buy Genesis wasn t be a friend Sephiroth. Genesis thing about yourself and did stupie things. ( tell to friend you are a monster) Genesis want be a hero but Sephiroth was better. I like Genesis and Sephiroth. They are the victim of Experiment. Sephiroth forget he has a friend, Zack. Zack try help him but he don't know what he should do. Zack was a nice kid. But Sephiroth didn't t see he try help him. Maybe he didn't know the true he only left the job and try live normalny. Before Nibelheim misions he told he want quit a job.
@@rockirocki7246 Sephiroth lost his friends before and he was betrayed by ShinRa. who would you trust after all this? yes, Zack tries to help him but maybe it was too late. I wish Zack would stay in the mansion when sephiroth was reading.
@@rockirocki7246 Genesis and Sephiroth were friends to each other. Unfortunately Genesis has a superiority complex and a massive one at that which caused him to bite himself in the ass with what he said.
Genesis thought that a Sephiroth who had lost faith in his humanity, who had devolved into a monster, would become his ally.
He vastly underestimated Sephiroth’s ego. Even when his pride was shattered, it just took on a new form.
I really love how Sephiroth just had enough of Genesis's bullcrap that he refuses and tells him to rot. Pretty much how we all feel with Genesis lol
I would say the same to any so-called "friend" of mine. I hate it when toxic people try to take advantage of me by breaking me down and then having the nerve to appeal to our "friendship" just to benefit their selfish needs/wants! Forget them! They don't deserve anything from me! They can go eat dirt!
@@EvelynL.1112 These kinds of people do not deserve our friendship
@@broknight9718 EXACTLY
Don't forget he showed up at the end of dirge of cerebrus alive and well :) that's the game I want them to to remaster. And ya know fix it.
No, you feel with Genesis, he was just another victim of the damn project. And the last man standing. Not his fault someone used them all as laboratory rats.
Genesis spends the whole game being an asshole to everyone and then makes a surprised Pikachu face when no one wants to help him.
That's why he became an incel and locked himself up in a cave.
People don't like that they did this and also ask why does Sephiroth go to the Library after this. Me? -Gongaga- I think that Sephiroth went to the Library to see if Genesis' words were true or not.
A lot of people don't like Dirge of Cerberus, but if we take what Hojo said in that game, he literally made Sephiroth a threat to the planet so that Omega would awaken and that he could become a god by fusing with Omega. He knew about Omega before Sephiroth was even an idea, so he was always planning on using Omega from the start and probably saw JENOVA as a good test subject to produce horrifying threats to the planet in an attempt to awaken Omega and got lucky with Sephiroth.
One of the worst people are those who use the truth to hurt others.. while sephiroth actions are his own.. it was Genesis who deliberately use the truth in the worst way Possible... he didn't even consider sephiroths mental stability or Feelings.. in a Sense it was Genesis's own selfish actions that destroyed the bond between Him, angeal and sephiroth.
you could say
he was the genesis of sephiroths insanity
You think that destroyed the bond? Genesis and Angeal started riot against Shinra and Sephiroth without telling him anything. He wasn't supposed to know, they acted for themselves. A relationship of two or more is never one sided.
I have a feeling that Jenova cells played part in Sephiroth downfall. They always influenced him in some way. However, when he was composed he could control it but when he lost it
Jenova cells deteriorated his mind even further and transformed him into something he wasn't.
There must be reason why he is so attached to Jenova, despite her being nothing more than mutated corpse.
@@TaigaXsenpai
You're getting warmer. A bit of a long post but bare with me:
Back at the Mansion (in the original FF7 game) after Sephiroth discovered the truth from the Mako reactor, he picked up the false info from Dr Gast's research papers, implying that Jenova was one of the Ancient (Cetras) of the past. (Jenova is an Alien parasite and does what parasite does best, eat the host inside-out and move on to the next host; like rabies but on a massive scale, like planet size scale.)
Sephiroth confused his mother (by the way, he has 2 mothers, but I'm not going to spoil that tibit) to be both, an Ancient and a deity from outer space.
Sephiroth went mad by fully embracing his superiority/God complex, (I blame his Dad for that since his Dad does think he is superior to everyone and anything..) thinking it was his right to rule earth and that it was his duty in bringing his people into the "promise land", essentially the same way his Mother Jenova did, not realizing he's following in his Alien Mother's footsteps.
@@Introversion399 A 20+ year old game (spoilers or not, since I'm sure that people could look up this info for it regardless). This is correct, Jenova (the parasite that deteriorates all matter, living and everything, until there is nothing left), and Sephiroth's birth mother (Lucrecia), and Hojo (Sephiroth's Father). Regardless of what has been done. Regardless of how it starts. Sephiroth, would eventually become what he is later on in the story. Monster? No. Perfect Human with Monster and Jenova Cells? Plausible. Either way. Sephiroth, because of his mental state, became invested in learning about Jenova, as misinformation on her, the misinformation from Dr. Gast, because no one, not even him, knew better at the time, yet still, by the time Sephiroth was born, it was already too late to undo the research, or not undo it at all as they wanted a "Perfect Soldier", so just rolled with him being an "ancient" to soothe his mind.
And still, here we are. Sephiroth's slow decent into pure utter madness because of his so called "Friend" who brought him the truth. He is, of course, rightfully pissed. As I too would be, if my life was considered a "lie" up to this point.
People saying it would be different if Lucretia would meet Sephiroth. No! She’s a horrible person just like Hojo. Sephiroth deserves better than her. She gave her baby up for a vile experiment that could have turned out horribly. Just because she cries in a cave doenst maker her a good person.
And she is indestructible but made no efforts to rescue him after birth. I think he would be furious to discover his mother is an amoral mad scientist like Hojo.
@@thegreatestcrewmate9195 yeah. But I hope they don’t make a redemption story for her
@@kirak1561 yep.
if only sephiroth learned of his true mother, he wouldn't have to view himself as a monster.
Maybe the remake can make that happen? *Wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*
Yeah since Vincent was in the basement in the manor all that time.
I'm kind of glad that Sephiroth never learned of that and Hojo. There was a sense of realism in that. I hope they don't change it.
@@natediaz1863 never learn what?
@@blacky8987Not learning who his actual mother was.
The look on Sephiroth’s face at 1:43 looks like that he knows that everything is a lie now after Genesis tells him the truth about Jenova
That was exactly what that clip was supposed to express, good job Captain Obvious; you're learning!
Yes very sad hot anime man very deep and profound emotional reaction. 10/10
2:22 holy shit. That is a face of actual depression….
You are breaking him, Genesis. Why are you trying to break him ?!?
probably to make him share his cells with him
@@arshameghtedary344 people always be trying to be friends with me when they really just want me for my cells. 😂
Honestly, after seeing this scene last night, I didnt feel any hate or dislike the man that much. Practically, you can see he was having an intercal crisis. He look so scared and sad, I feel more bad for him than dislike or hate. Even more considering then Jenova gets in his brain and turns him into a monster. Though, all the shit through out Crisis Core first half didnt help either, like Genesis is in this scene. The way his briws furrowed, his eyes were down casted and shifting to one spot to the other and his lips turn down, his voice was shaky, I just wanted to give Sephiroth a hug then.
I'd be pretty upset too if someone told me something this crazy about what was supposed to be my mom, who in turn, never truly existed outside of Shinra's mad science projects and the extremely nosey ears of Midgar.
Now try to picture yourself taking all that in at once while the jerk that just told you is now casually reciting poems..
People really don't realise that it's Jenova that's taken over Genesis, and is doing the EXACT SAME thing as to what it does to Cloud when using Sephiroth as its avatar.
The facial expressions on Sephiroth are just... *chefs kiss* I always felt like something was missing in the original to help us connect with Sephiroth and his slow spiraling descent.
Sephiroth in this game reminds me of Xemnas.
"I suppose i am if u can call this living💅" 😭
"Share your cells with me" is pretty bad, as far as pick-up lines go
whoo Sephiroth knocking the apple out of Genesis' hand in 4K
Honestly, Genesis is the biggest clown of FF7 to me. He had a slam dunk opportunity to recruit arguably the most powerful person in the world at that point and used the opportunity to belittle him instead. It makes sense with his character completely, Genesis always felt inadequate compared to Sephiroth, so he couldn't resist holding the truth about his creation over him and rubbing in the painful truth, but pride always comes before the fall.
maybe genesis thought if he breaks sephiroth then there is higher chance that sephiroth would share his cells with him, after all that was all he ever cared about to stop his rotting
Yeah, Genesis is a pompous, narcissistic dirtbags who only cares about himself and that's why I hate him.
Genesis dream was to give Sephiroth one of his apples to taste from his family. It was probably already the degrading that caused him madness. Originally Genesis liked Sephiroth
"Some say that she's a monster... That she can peer into your very soul. Become those you hate, those you fear....... those you love"
Crisis Core was the perfect example of when something isn’t broke don’t fix it.
Poor Seph. I wish I could give him a hug, but I also don’t wanna die young.
Sephiroth just needed a good talk-no-jutsu from Naruto instead of Genesis.
True True
Something i noticed even as a child about sephiroths descent into villainy is that is ultimatly fuelled by total unending despair. He's effectively spent the following decades screaming and smashing everything hes come into contact with like a someone whose just lost everything trashing their room.
What were a effectively watching is a godlike being suffering histories longest breakdown.
You roast the dude and then ask for his help...
Its still uncanny not hearing George Newberns voice coming out of Sephiroth.
Of all the remake voices I think this is the one I'm still having a hard time adjusting too.
Mine is Zack but yeah, being such an avid fan of crisis core this scene is burned into my memory so it’s weird hearing different voices
I struggle getting used to any of them, but Newbern's performance is just on another level. This scene is a perfect example... "You will rot..." hits so hard in the original. In this, it just reads like every other line.
Man, if I was there I would have told Genesis to basically blow it out his @$$ and told Sephi the REAL truth. (Who his actual mother is, ect)
It's kind of weird to realize that sephiroth is just as broken as Cloud is, perhaps more.
That's how Cloud and Sephiroth contrast with each other besides the superficial differences like their hair and the shape of their swords.
He was much much more messed up. Cloud at least had a mother that loved him and girl that knew him personally.
I feel like this was the breaking point with Sephiroth when Genesis ruined his friendship with him (Also felt like that bridge fell ages ago!) And you can see Genesis is bonkers crazy here. I feel bad about Sephiroth here, while Sephiroth's actions are his own, it was Genesis that planted the seed here in him.
Also for those who are wondering about why Cloud isn't here, he was outside keeping sure Tifa wouldn't get into the reactor, he had a mask on so you didn't see him, if that makes sense. I know it's confusing since cloud is here in the original game, but I reckon when Zack and Cloud had been in that mako tank, their memories kinda joined up but it wasn't complete or something like that. I hope that helps a bit.
*How It Should Have Gone*
Genesis: "-and there you have it. Your mother was actually a space alien that came from beyond the galaxy with the intent of conquering the entire planet and enslaving all of mankind, and you were born using her cells that a mad scientist injected into a human woman that an old vampire-looking dude in the basement of an old mansion had a crush on.."
Sephiroth: "...What the f*** were you smoking before I came in here?!"
Jenova is not sephiroth mother just an weird alien
@@oerstedbrando3603 yeah well from a certain pov she is XP
One would think, if someone told him the ACTUAL truth of his origins, Sephiroth might've turned out different.
"Lucrecia."
She gave him up for experiments so she could be famous. In no way is she a good mother or any better than Hojo. She’s a horrible person
@@kirak1561 She also is indestructible yet made no effort to rescue him after birth.
They should have used the old audio. The original sounded so much better.
I still don't like them shoehorning Genesis into the Nibelheim Incident
Stop it Genesis! STOP RUINING FF7 story!
That's NOT Sephiroth's mother, but whatever Genesis.... Sephiroth needs to go to the hospital
Yeah his real mother is in a random ass cave behind a random ass waterfall lol
Guessing Hojo and Genesis are true villains now.
@@Lemuel928 duh they were always the real villains long before sephiroth became one
He needs to see his REAL father lying in a coffin. 😂
Still hyping up debunked headcanons. 🤣🤣
Sephiroth to me is the most tragic final boss in Final Fantasy History. He's a former war hero that was manipulated into becoming a harbinger of death by an alien parasite thanks to a fucked up experiment by Hojo. He was tricked into killing his actual friends and family all because Shinra fucked him over. He's not even the one that killed Aerith.
Ugh. Ff7 is so cool until it gets corny like this.
Genesis fucked up by calling him a monster. Bro could’ve explained this whole thing kindly to him 😭
One of my favorite scenes from the og crisis core!
Unlike Sephiroth, Mewtwo chose a different path; to lead those whose circumstances could not be helped, and guide them
Zacks new VA is just terrible, most notably in his awful delivery of dialogue that sounds like a whiny little kid.
Sephiroth sounds like a teen trying to deepen his voice lol
I prefer the original voice dubs,they really nail the mood and their performance are chef kiss
I don’t care what anybody says, Hoechlin in this scene and the scene where he snaps….he did an amazing job!
He sounds so creepy, eerie, and menacing.
He sounds too young, like a teenager
@@zealousrunner7 No he doesn’t.
Is this seriously all you do all day is go around every single video involving Sephiroth and complain with your multiple accounts….?
It’s been 3 years. Get over it lol
@@fearlesscheshirecat1411 my youngest brother sounds older than him haha and he's 14.
@@fearlesscheshirecat1411 Seems like it - this is the 6th video i've seen him writing comments like this on
i can almost hear gackts voice when genesis is talking
genesis really tried to bring everything down with him. I wonder what they will do with him and Zack in the next ff7. idk what happened exactly but the remake told us that everything has been altered for some reason and I think we will have 2 different timelines, one with cloud and one with Zack.
That's why he keeps chasing cloud every time. He thinks they are the same. Cloud should live like him instead of being happy. Maybe he is a little jealous of cloud and doesn't want him to be happy.
I'm kind of confused. I haven't played the games just like to read and follow the story, but didn't Sephiroth already know about all this from Shinra Manor?
This was before he researched deep
The moment that drove og purists crazy
Reunion was a disappointing downgrade in comparison to the original character models and voiceover delivery. I'm in no way saying that they cannot be topped, my disappointment lies in the fact that they obviously didn't try to do it better than they did the first time while they actually had the chance.
Well, Tyler Hoeklin definitely nailed it in this scene.
Nah he didn't
@@Killer_Kris7 Yah he did you petty b*tch. Are you always and forever going to constantly complain about Sephiroth’s voice lol!?
@@Killer_Kris7 Nah, he did.
@@AlexTheSoutherner nope
@@Killer_Kris7 Pretty sure he nailed it.
It still feels iffy that all this was at Nibelheim, but none of it was in FF7 (I just tell myself Cloud couldnt remember this stuff or was just in another room and just happened to miss everything.)
I mean, if you actually think about it, Cloud was in fact somewhere else at this time, so he couldn't have known about Genesis telling Sephiroth about his origins. And, possibly, the notion that Sephiroth thought himself a Cetra may have been an assumption on Cloud's part; a fact that's alluded to in the original FF7 when Sephiroth explicitly refers to Jenova as The Calamity from The Skies when he and Cloud meet each other again in Nibelheim.
@@LittleAl016 so much stuff in one para that means so absolutely nothing. Imagine someone who doesn't know FF reading this.
@@Kronos0999 I have played both Crisis Core and the original FF7. So...
@@LittleAl016 And you also have an anime pfp
@@Kronos0999 So?
I know this conversation has been had constantly, but even with the voice acting in this game being hit and miss, I can’t help but love Tyler Hoechlin’s portrayal of Sephiroth. I adore George Newbern’s version, don’t get me wrong, but I think Hoechlin does a much better job of capturing that feeling of brokenness and the realization that everything Sephy thought he knew was a complete lie. I think my point can be emphasized with the “Traitor” voiceline during the boss fight. When Newbern says it, you can hear the coldness and the barely contained anger in his voice, but Hoechlin’s version sounds broken and unhinged, which I think better represents Sephiroth’s character. Keep in mind that this is entirely subjective, and while I enjoy Newbern’s portrayal, I think Hoechlin did a phenomenal job of capturing that emotion.
Okay. But Newbern did evil Sephiroth 100x better
Everyone else's voices is well done except Zack' s....
Sephiroth's voice is also meh. He was way better in the original. Genesis and Angeal try to sound as close as possible to the original so their performance are solid.
@@georgehouliaras7239 I disagree. George's performance lacks any emotion except "menace". Tyler's actually makes me believe how much this revelation hurts Sephiroth and how much he can't stand Genesis for telling him this.
Tyler doesn't have any emotion at all. It's sad, I don't know what the English casting was thinking. Oh well.
@@writer_man5318 nah Tyler is shit as Sephiroth. You just don't like Sephiroth sounding like a grown ass man
@@writer_man5318 Tyler also makes Sephiroth sound like a whiny little bitch when he tells Genesis to rot. Vs how Newbern made Sephiroth sound angry while saying it.
I wonder how are they going to insert this since in FF7:Rebirth they did not include this scene.