Demonology then Discipline, then other dps and healers later. Demonology for the raid buff, Discipline since it is BiS for them until ICC heroic. Also super good for resto druid once you can start giving to healers, they will use it until they get both Solace trinkets in T9.
For Comet's Trail and DC, your Number 1 prio should be your Unholy DK because the Gargoyle benefits from both of the stats and does like 300k dmg while hes up
The main reason Verdict should be given to unholy is because we won’t get any of the t10 trinkets. Twilight scale and Deathbringers Will are arp, tiny abo is ret/assa prio, war token is a meme and fanged skull is also probably ret prio. Ideally unholy goes into t10 with 4p 258 t9 and double verdict, then is last in prio for t10 tokens and icc trinkets
@@Torwynn That doesn’t matter. In progression raiding, those trinkets should not go to an unholy until all arp classes have them on heroic, meaning unholy will use double verdict for the longest out of any class. The same goes for using t9 258 instead of t10. Always think about your other raid members when it comes to loot drops.
@@AaAaAaA-ni6es Good luck winning double DC/DV to one single DK, I don’t foresee any guilds doing that, nor is it really viable. I’d go DC/DV + Herkuml War Token for Unholy. Constant uptime and you want the haste.
during wrath i was fortunate to get the 245 version of death's verdict on my unholy dk. That one remained with me even when i started running heroic icc. That trinket can easily stay with you the rest of the way through
Nobody gets more from STR like ret paladin, thats well known. DC is best for Enha Assasination rogue and Ret paladin. Frost can use it as well but frost can use ARP trinkets as well so its not prio for him.
exactly, considering it's bis for ret basicially the whole expac id give prio to them first since almost every other physical dps will be repalcing it at saurfang
Dying Curse is crazy on spell power weapon Enhancement, they struggle so hard to get their stat caps in tier 7 gear, Dying Curse is NUTS! It's also so good to snapshot Fire Elemental Totem with at the start of fights because of how easy it is to proc (procs from literally anything) Illustration is also amazing because you can stack it pre-pull with Lesser Healing Wave. That is, if Magma Totem and Fire Nova spell power scaling is as high in actual 3.3.5a as it is on private servers. For Windfury, obviously Fury of the Five Flights is better. Comet's Trail absolutely give the first one to Enhancement, no question. Then Rogues, then FDK/UHDK. Some digging around seems to imply that Reign was proccing from Flametongue Weapon crits during 3.2. If your Enhance Shaman is lusting after Death's Choice, make sure to check if they are a PvPer or not, because if they are, that's probably why they want it so bad, lol.
For reign you mention trading it to your enhance shaman to let them test, so you can trade items even if you equip them in wrath? i never played wrath so i have no idea if loot works different than in tbc
If you're at the point where you're killing twins for DC's in T9 you're at the point where you should be killing Anub25hc within days or 1 week, so it's not like you need to prioritise loot for T9 content specifically, I feel like your scope is limited to the content where the patch is released for DC rather than the content as a whole that is to come. Example you say after the DK's you say give it to your rogues, ferals, enhance, hunters etc. But you fail to consider T10 progression and which classes will actually replace it instantly and which classes will keep it for the entire expansion Eg. Ret Paladin and arguably UDK's will keep it for the entire expansion as their BiS, a FDK and Fury Warrior will keep it Until LOD, but then every other class however will replace it with WFS HC some arguably with WFS NM, including your rogues both assass and combat, your ferals, your hunters, your enhance etc all these classes that you are listing before a Fury warrior and Retri paladin which might I add are 2 of the highest scaling classes in T10 both with basically broken and beyond op T10 2 set / 4 set bonuses will replace DC HC weeks within t10. Now you talk about FDKs having great use out of it because of Unbreakable Armor 20% and Rune proc which is true, but that won't always line up properly with procs, it'll be about a 65/35 split of it always being up together plus rune is also random, where as a Fury warrior has a Passive 20% increased strength and a Ret Paladin has a Passive 15% strength increase that will 100% of the time synergize with DC HC. Combine this with their scaling in t10 for t10 progression purposes, I don't think any other class except DK Warrior and Ret should get DC heroic at all, because lets be real togc phase in classic will be shorter than any other phase, you're going to probably run 2 dks (1 Frost 1 Unholy) 1-2 Rets 2-3 Warrior for ICC t10 progression that's roughly 6 DC's these classes will need for T10 progress unless you have insanely good rng, you will see a DC25HC drop once every 2 weeks hopefully, and that will take 12 weeks or 3 months ++ at best for you to get all these classes their DC. Why would you give it to anyone else who will literally replace it as soon as you do icc10 splits with WFS. These other classes will all also want DBW, and if you have the DKS and Rets all Decked out with DV's you then have no issues giving your Rogues Feral Hunter DBWs First albeit you want to give Furys DBW by the time the get to 4 set as they will scale harder than any of the other classes with ARP Cap. Anyways my point of view should go to Dk's if you're struggling to clear t9 content first than Ret Palas and Fury warriors and if you get loads then you can give it to any of the latter you mentioned. If you aren't struggling which most top guilds RF racing wont be unless TOC is incredibly buffed, you should probably give it to Rets then UDK then FDK/Fury, As that is the order of which it's BiS in for content beyond T9.
Grim Toll (and Mjolnir) should go to Warrs, Ferals, Rogues. In that order. Objectively, Warrs get the by far most benefit from the trinket. Yeah, Ferals and Rogues will be doing higher numbers, but the raid Dps increase from that single trinket will be higher on a Warr than on anythig else. Warrs are also the only class that actively go for Arp softcap in t8 afaik. They literally build their char around having 1 of these trinkets, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Ferals and Rogues do that. Any other class trying to take Grim Toll would be hard trolling. FotFF is like 10 times better for DKs.
You make it pretty obvious that your primarily play a feral and dk. Your prio is very favorable towards them. On deaths choice you hardly even mention Ret even though they actually get the most DPS out of strength and the trinket stays BIS for them in tier 10, unlike most other classes. It's so odd that you don't even mention Ret for any of the other trinkets and laugh when you mention them on deaths choice.
@@maltal7571 But they use the trinket until Saurfang, the other classes replace in t10. Sooo... Kinda bonkers to not consider them at all, especially since they are high overall, maybe not singletarget until t10 but still.
@@maltal7571 That's true, but by that logic your Ret should not get priod any items over some other classes, which might lead to a gquit sooner than later.
Grim toll should 110% go to rogue or dk before any other class since they get ALOT more out of it than a feral 😅 Deaths choice should go to ret since 95% of all the other specs Will be going for arp proc/static trinkets
Hunter POV: I agree on FotFF being overrated. I still think it's BiS by a small margin, but I don't think Hunters should ever be loot priority early on because they just aren't very good until ICC. Greatness + Badge trinket are close enough that it doesn't really matter. Comet's Trail isn't BiS for Hunter, so should not be priority. Usually Hunters want Blood of the Old God + Greatness, though sometimes you can also consider Dark Matter or even Wrathstone if you don't need the Hit. Trinkets are flexible in T8 for Hunter, and there's several options that are within margin of error.
Comet's trial should go to enhance 100%. No matter what the scripting is like this trinket is always insane for Enhance. They can pump, they bring a lot of raid buffs, they have great all around dps, they should get it first. You already listed other trinket that where DK's was prio ahead of enhance. Comet's Trial goes to your ENH sham first if they are good. Idk if you main a DK or what but seems like a little bias to DK here. Yea it potentially can be insane for Unholy but no matter what it's gonna be insane for Enhance. They don't get prio on much, it's a higher skill ceiling class to play, if you are lucky enough to have a pumper enhance it should go to them.
Bro even banner of Victory from toc5 is better for frost than DC. DC is a ret pally/unholy dk trinket though and through. You have no better trinket in ICC. Right around tier 9 dk switches to gemming armor pen
@@svilendenchev9984 Unholy you go for strenght/hit/haste. Frost you go ARP/hit/haste. So yes, you are right. also DBW is better than DC/DV for both, yes DC is more consistent, but as UNH you get 2 great procs one not as much and as frost you do benefit from everything., tho as Unholy i prefer DC to STS (the way you stack strenght with all the % you get.)
Frost Arp is only viable in t10, and even then, you should stick to the regular Str build, because it's still very close in performance to the Arp build, and nobody in their right mind will give DBW/STS to a FDK until after their Warrs, Rogues, Hunters and Ferals all have them. If you are wearing Banner while having DC in your bags as a FDK, you will (should) get laughed out of the raid. DKs (both UH and Frost) and Ret should be given DC first, because they will be last in line to get the t10 Arp trinkets.
You do not give flare to demo lock, and if your demo is playing slave spec he shouldn't even ask for it. Proc rate is too low and waiting for it means the entire raid can spend an inordinate amount of time on pull without a single DP proc. You prio fire mages and affliction locks
I realized I completely forgot to include Illustration from OS. For what it's worth--I'd give it to your best Affliction lock and call it a day.
Demonology then Discipline, then other dps and healers later. Demonology for the raid buff, Discipline since it is BiS for them until ICC heroic. Also super good for resto druid once you can start giving to healers, they will use it until they get both Solace trinkets in T9.
@@Maxvla u dont give illu to healers until you got illu on every single caster dps in raid tho :P
@@funkmedaddy That's what I said with exception for the Disc priest. Dps then healers later.
@@Maxvla disc is still a healer so bottom of que regardless
@@funkmedaddy You must be joking. A T7 item they won't replace til ICC heroic, and you would put them last?
ret hate is real
For Comet's Trail and DC, your Number 1 prio should be your Unholy DK because the Gargoyle benefits from both of the stats and does like 300k dmg while hes up
The main reason Verdict should be given to unholy is because we won’t get any of the t10 trinkets. Twilight scale and Deathbringers Will are arp, tiny abo is ret/assa prio, war token is a meme and fanged skull is also probably ret prio. Ideally unholy goes into t10 with 4p 258 t9 and double verdict, then is last in prio for t10 tokens and icc trinkets
@@AaAaAaA-ni6es At least from what I have been able to try in Warmane when it comes to pve, it benefits more from DBS and STS than from DV/DC
@@Torwynn That doesn’t matter. In progression raiding, those trinkets should not go to an unholy until all arp classes have them on heroic, meaning unholy will use double verdict for the longest out of any class. The same goes for using t9 258 instead of t10. Always think about your other raid members when it comes to loot drops.
@@AaAaAaA-ni6es Good luck winning double DC/DV to one single DK, I don’t foresee any guilds doing that, nor is it really viable. I’d go DC/DV + Herkuml War Token for Unholy. Constant uptime and you want the haste.
My MM hunter had heroic Death's Choice and Heroic Deathbringer's Will. Damn that was fun times.
during wrath i was fortunate to get the 245 version of death's verdict on my unholy dk. That one remained with me even when i started running heroic icc. That trinket can easily stay with you the rest of the way through
Nobody gets more from STR like ret paladin, thats well known. DC is best for Enha Assasination rogue and Ret paladin. Frost can use it as well but frost can use ARP trinkets as well so its not prio for him.
Def best for FDK, it's top dps in tier 9. U dont go arp in that tier .
@@atanasganev8334 yea i was talkin t10 last patch. But T9 almost all dps DC is BiS trinket.(phisically dmg dps)
exactly, considering it's bis for ret basicially the whole expac id give prio to them first since almost every other physical dps will be repalcing it at saurfang
Its utter shit trinket for enha sham
DC for Enh LMAO
You can’t equip gesr and the trade it back…..
Reign of the dead is going to be THE BEST trinket for spellhance shaman . the 10 and 25 man versions are the go to set of trinkets for the spec
i was so hyped to get death's choice back in the day
was already pumping as combat but that amped things up big
Only class that has FoFF as BiS, even with Greatness, is Ret but you don’t mention them. Truly a pro!
Dying Curse is crazy on spell power weapon Enhancement, they struggle so hard to get their stat caps in tier 7 gear, Dying Curse is NUTS! It's also so good to snapshot Fire Elemental Totem with at the start of fights because of how easy it is to proc (procs from literally anything) Illustration is also amazing because you can stack it pre-pull with Lesser Healing Wave. That is, if Magma Totem and Fire Nova spell power scaling is as high in actual 3.3.5a as it is on private servers. For Windfury, obviously Fury of the Five Flights is better.
Comet's Trail absolutely give the first one to Enhancement, no question. Then Rogues, then FDK/UHDK.
Some digging around seems to imply that Reign was proccing from Flametongue Weapon crits during 3.2.
If your Enhance Shaman is lusting after Death's Choice, make sure to check if they are a PvPer or not, because if they are, that's probably why they want it so bad, lol.
what about healer ttrinkets?
Is Reign not gone great on Spriests? Don’t run much crit to begin with. Or are spriest not good anymore after bc ??
Reign is good on spriest! And spriests are certainly good in wrath
For reign you mention trading it to your enhance shaman to let them test, so you can trade items even if you equip them in wrath? i never played wrath so i have no idea if loot works different than in tbc
PoV ret paladin: get nothing.
whats the strat for gearing for arcane mages? in phase 1 naxx you go arcane but roll for loot for fire mage for next phase?
Thanks for hosting this wrath waiting room.
If you're at the point where you're killing twins for DC's in T9 you're at the point where you should be killing Anub25hc within days or 1 week, so it's not like you need to prioritise loot for T9 content specifically, I feel like your scope is limited to the content where the patch is released for DC rather than the content as a whole that is to come. Example you say after the DK's you say give it to your rogues, ferals, enhance, hunters etc. But you fail to consider T10 progression and which classes will actually replace it instantly and which classes will keep it for the entire expansion Eg. Ret Paladin and arguably UDK's will keep it for the entire expansion as their BiS, a FDK and Fury Warrior will keep it Until LOD, but then every other class however will replace it with WFS HC some arguably with WFS NM, including your rogues both assass and combat, your ferals, your hunters, your enhance etc all these classes that you are listing before a Fury warrior and Retri paladin which might I add are 2 of the highest scaling classes in T10 both with basically broken and beyond op T10 2 set / 4 set bonuses will replace DC HC weeks within t10. Now you talk about FDKs having great use out of it because of Unbreakable Armor 20% and Rune proc which is true, but that won't always line up properly with procs, it'll be about a 65/35 split of it always being up together plus rune is also random, where as a Fury warrior has a Passive 20% increased strength and a Ret Paladin has a Passive 15% strength increase that will 100% of the time synergize with DC HC. Combine this with their scaling in t10 for t10 progression purposes, I don't think any other class except DK Warrior and Ret should get DC heroic at all, because lets be real togc phase in classic will be shorter than any other phase, you're going to probably run 2 dks (1 Frost 1 Unholy) 1-2 Rets 2-3 Warrior for ICC t10 progression that's roughly 6 DC's these classes will need for T10 progress unless you have insanely good rng, you will see a DC25HC drop once every 2 weeks hopefully, and that will take 12 weeks or 3 months ++ at best for you to get all these classes their DC. Why would you give it to anyone else who will literally replace it as soon as you do icc10 splits with WFS. These other classes will all also want DBW, and if you have the DKS and Rets all Decked out with DV's you then have no issues giving your Rogues Feral Hunter DBWs First albeit you want to give Furys DBW by the time the get to 4 set as they will scale harder than any of the other classes with ARP Cap. Anyways my point of view should go to Dk's if you're struggling to clear t9 content first than Ret Palas and Fury warriors and if you get loads then you can give it to any of the latter you mentioned. If you aren't struggling which most top guilds RF racing wont be unless TOC is incredibly buffed, you should probably give it to Rets then UDK then FDK/Fury, As that is the order of which it's BiS in for content beyond T9.
Grim Toll (and Mjolnir) should go to Warrs, Ferals, Rogues. In that order. Objectively, Warrs get the by far most benefit from the trinket. Yeah, Ferals and Rogues will be doing higher numbers, but the raid Dps increase from that single trinket will be higher on a Warr than on anythig else. Warrs are also the only class that actively go for Arp softcap in t8 afaik. They literally build their char around having 1 of these trinkets, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Ferals and Rogues do that.
Any other class trying to take Grim Toll would be hard trolling. FotFF is like 10 times better for DKs.
My favorite two Unholy DK trinkets are Comet’s Trail + Herkuml War Token.
The rogue should have the prio on all hit rating based bis items, as they need massive amounts of it and are top dps.
You make it pretty obvious that your primarily play a feral and dk. Your prio is very favorable towards them. On deaths choice you hardly even mention Ret even though they actually get the most DPS out of strength and the trinket stays BIS for them in tier 10, unlike most other classes. It's so odd that you don't even mention Ret for any of the other trinkets and laugh when you mention them on deaths choice.
Ret doesnt pump as much as the other choices. Not until t10
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But they use the trinket until Saurfang, the other classes replace in t10. Sooo... Kinda bonkers to not consider them at all, especially since they are high overall, maybe not singletarget until t10 but still.
@@maltal7571 That's true, but by that logic your Ret should not get priod any items over some other classes, which might lead to a gquit sooner than later.
Grim toll should 110% go to rogue or dk before any other class since they get ALOT more out of it than a feral 😅
Deaths choice should go to ret since 95% of all the other specs Will be going for arp proc/static trinkets
Hunter POV:
I agree on FotFF being overrated. I still think it's BiS by a small margin, but I don't think Hunters should ever be loot priority early on because they just aren't very good until ICC. Greatness + Badge trinket are close enough that it doesn't really matter.
Comet's Trail isn't BiS for Hunter, so should not be priority. Usually Hunters want Blood of the Old God + Greatness, though sometimes you can also consider Dark Matter or even Wrathstone if you don't need the Hit. Trinkets are flexible in T8 for Hunter, and there's several options that are within margin of error.
Retri paly 😭
How does haste scale as feral DPS? In TBC, it is the worst scaling stat as it only allows you to do more white hits...
Haste for faster melee hits for more omen of clarity procs
Haste is prio after ARP cap. More white hits means more clearcasting procs, means more shreds
I feel like it also depends on if you can stack trinkets from heroic and normal or not for comets trail.
Ferals need haste in wrath?!
SV Hunters should be high prio for death's choice aswell - they get +30% Agi from Talents
SV is not a good spec in toc
No healer or tank trinkets?
who needs healers :D joke
I would pass hunter up on DC/DV and let them take prio on Whispering Fanged Skull personally.
First person is rugs, any trinket ;)
3:40 ahlaundoh already proved warriors can pump t7
Comet's trial should go to enhance 100%. No matter what the scripting is like this trinket is always insane for Enhance. They can pump, they bring a lot of raid buffs, they have great all around dps, they should get it first. You already listed other trinket that where DK's was prio ahead of enhance. Comet's Trial goes to your ENH sham first if they are good. Idk if you main a DK or what but seems like a little bias to DK here. Yea it potentially can be insane for Unholy but no matter what it's gonna be insane for Enhance. They don't get prio on much, it's a higher skill ceiling class to play, if you are lucky enough to have a pumper enhance it should go to them.
Bro even banner of Victory from toc5 is better for frost than DC. DC is a ret pally/unholy dk trinket though and through. You have no better trinket in ICC. Right around tier 9 dk switches to gemming armor pen
True, arp is needed on frost, especially in ICC. Unholy does benefit from ARP, but not that much.
@@stansilvestrov3106 shit mb I meant frost dk. You don't gem ARP as unholy correct my bad
@@svilendenchev9984 Unholy you go for strenght/hit/haste. Frost you go ARP/hit/haste. So yes, you are right. also DBW is better than DC/DV for both, yes DC is more consistent, but as UNH you get 2 great procs one not as much and as frost you do benefit from everything., tho as Unholy i prefer DC to STS (the way you stack strenght with all the % you get.)
Frost Arp is only viable in t10, and even then, you should stick to the regular Str build, because it's still very close in performance to the Arp build, and nobody in their right mind will give DBW/STS to a FDK until after their Warrs, Rogues, Hunters and Ferals all have them.
If you are wearing Banner while having DC in your bags as a FDK, you will (should) get laughed out of the raid.
DKs (both UH and Frost) and Ret should be given DC first, because they will be last in line to get the t10 Arp trinkets.
Hahaha “these browns”
Unholy from death's choice than frost dk AND it's bis in ICC. unlike for warriors.
Warriors can get their DBW first in icc
Drinking chicken tears i see...
Dude it's funny how mad you are about rogues, lol
Here just to see warriors last on everything
no boomie love imao
You do not give flare to demo lock, and if your demo is playing slave spec he shouldn't even ask for it. Proc rate is too low and waiting for it means the entire raid can spend an inordinate amount of time on pull without a single DP proc. You prio fire mages and affliction locks
Stop bashing on browns
am assa is cinda troll on low tiers :)
in case you mean assa rogues you got it kinda the other way around but you get an a for effort.