INFECT WITHOUT COMBAT! Legacy Azorius Poison Proliferate. ONE Ichormoon Gaunt brew combo control MTG
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- I play a Magic the Gathering Online Legacy league with Azorius Poison Proliferate Control, a brew challenge from Pateron subscriber CCAntman. The challenge was to use the new Phyrexia: All Will be One poison and proliferate spells to win games with poison without being a creature combat deck. Ichormoon Gauntlet is the perfect tool to turn all the super friends planeswalkers that UW control wants to play anyway into infect win conditions... with the bonus of occasional infinite turns! Teferi, Master of Time, Dovin Baan, Narset, Gideon, and The Wandering Emperor control the game until Ichormoon Gauntlet wins it! Combo control brewing at its finest. Poison without combat! MTG
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0:00 Intro
0:35 Deck Tech
6:43 Round 1
36:34 Round 2
56:34 Round 3
1:11:51 Round 4
1:20:49 Round 5
1:37:14 Final Thoughts
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Dovin, hand of control was one of my favorite planeswalkers out of WAR. I've done some versions of planeswalker prison in standard/historic, and he was a big player in just shutting down creatures and non-creature decks at the same time.
"Ponder and brain storm are part of the mana base" This just blew my mind so hard i'll try this concept in commander.
It's harder to do in commander, but yeah that's how it works in 60s. :)
@@BoshNRoll in commander it seems you have to keep a bit more lands in proportion but can at least cut 2 for 1 of each, like 30~31 landa brainstorm ponder.
Just remember that running every ponder and brainstorm you can in a 60 card Legacy deck is 13.3% of your deck... but the same in commander is about 2% of your deck. You'd need 13 to 14 different one mana cantrips to achieve a similar effect, and most of them are worse than Ponder and Brainstorm.
@@samblood5350 I understand that but running 31 lands, branstorm, ponder and preordain at least lets you be a little more consistent.
@@Mando0Melkor If you're desperate, there's also consider and probe which also kinda/sorta half count.
This was super cool!! I love that Brian is totally comfortable and even enjoys sitting around for 4+ turns just proliferating Planeswalkers with the attitude that "we'll find a Prologue eventually."
It's a playstyle that's totally outside my comfort zone and is really novel to me.
Sometimes wasting time is the best answer,the more time you can waste the better for specific decks.
Proliferating the sagas into oblivion was tremendous. But those Ichormoon kills... those are art.
Holy HECK, that round one game 3 was INSANE. Definitely earned my subscription. It was so absurdly tense and fantastic!!!!
14:56 Too sad. I loved Dovin
24:29 So cool
26:26 Nope. Most microphones don't even catch me laughing, much less a hammer a floor above. Plus, I am listening to music in the BG
35:12 No poison on proliferate?
48:20 Part of the reason I love Proliferate. It has such cool techs
55:46 What a lovely set. I like that it introduced new Legacy tools. Very cool. Also, good Dalek voice
You mentioned a Karakas earlier in the league, and I think that would be a great include in place of the 4th Tundra or basic Island. It answers Minsc and Marit Lage, both of whom you had trouble with this league, and also improves your game against Uro and Reanimator. But Karakas being great is old news, I know.
Someone pay this man to build and play this in a modern league.
Too slow for modern and the permission and cantrips are nowhere near as good.
I really want to see the post-banning and post-upgrade version! This was so much fun to watch!!!
Worth mentioning at 23:30~ is that Teferi, Master of Time can activate Loyalty Abilities on your opponent's turn, so you could have Proliferated 5 times for 9 Poison on your turn and then did it again on their turn. I'm sure you mention it like 5 seconds in the future from me typing out this comment, but I felt like pointing it out anyway.
Oh sure. I did proliferate on their turn, but if there was just a plus 6 poison to lethal I was too excited to see it.
@@BoshNRoll there was if you legend ruled a planeswalker I think?
I think this is one of my favorite decks I have seen you play! Unique, fun and playable.
Love this new archetype, a couple things I saw that might be cool is WAR Teyo, giving you hexproof, generating blockers, and having a higher than cost starting loyalty. Also gotta say Karn might be sweet here, have a sideboard package with bridge to stop attacking, needle, graveyard hate. Serum snare could be interesting for murktide as well as Marit Lage and constructs. Also The Wanderer from War might be a nice include. Lord knows it needs a home.
Videos have been gas lately keep up the great work. I love listening to your videos while I drive
This is exactly the type of deck that I would have built for standard, and I never would have imagined that this strategy could hang as well as it did in this format. I'm definitely gonna be picking up some ichormoon gauntlets to brew around in a few different formats.
Ichor moon gauntlet is so cool because the cards it combos off with are just generally good control cards
This deck might get even stronger without the poison and proliferate cantrips. You can kill with ashiok or really anything taking infinite turns with big teferi. That makes more room for good cantrips and control cards
In paper, I might agree. In MTGO, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable without the poison just for timeout reasons if your opponent doesn't concede when they see you have infinite or near-infinite turns
Ye thing just cutting the blighted agents is where you wanna start. Gives you room for those ponders or a walker that actually ends the game without needing the poison counter like an elspeth or jace.
I made a Modern "Superfriends" version of this when ONE was still newish, and man it was so fun. It wasn't quite competitive enough, but it did so many things. Kasmina, Enigma Sage would have been a great addition to your deck as well. You could have found the supreme verdict you needed, and scry is pretty great when you can do it many multiple times lol.
the game was already well in hand, and yet 52:31 drawing the Null Rod is just... funny. great video, round 2 definitely encapsulates the idea behind Ichormoon Gauntlet
this was probably my favorite deck you've played in the channel! just so fun
It ranks highly for me too :)
Brian's Maniacal Laughter (TM) should be on a soundboard.
This might be one of the most badass decks I've seen in quite a while, lol!
One of the coolest decks that I've seen. I was planning on making something similar in pioneer but never imagined it was actually competitive in legacy.
Decks like this are why I love your channel more than all the others. ❤
Always love your content man!
this and Minotaur Standstill are my two favorite decks you've ever played. fun, unique, outside-the-box decks that upset the natural order (no pun intended) of legacy are my FAVORITE! this has made my week, thank you (: love it when good cards that aren't mainstream or are niche powerful get a high-quality showcase in one of your vids. Dovin all the way! Prologue all the way! Augury all the way!
Even with the results, this was a delight to watch. I really enjoyed your thoughts on possible changes to this list and was wondering if you ever test them on your own for fun.
I've watched every single video on this channel for quite some time now, but I gotta say - this was possibly the most entertaining one in a while. Loved it hahaha
So much evil laughing, i lost it when you draw the null rod game 3 against Tony.
Love it
I was so excited to watch the rest of match 1 game 1.
Oh my god clicking through that annihilation trigger in r1g1 was physically painful.
I've Never Seen such a sick deck, utter mind blow
11:23 evil laughter into a desperate "please resolve" got me good
As a Vorthos player I am a big fan of brews. They have always felt, to me, like seeing a “different kind of magic” from a different kind of wizard within the story-universe that Magic the gathering is “telling” writ large.
In this case, revealing how the proliferation of Phyrexian oil can be so astoundingly powerful for unsuspecting wizards out there who come across a wizard who wields such power. Leagues like this one are the best way to see “that kind of magic” “in the wild” and give context to how Sheoldred and Elesh Norn may have indeed decimated those who came before them.
Despite the losing rate, damn entertaining to watch an on-board Storm-walker infection win.
Great, great stuff.
I remember watching Tony play against this deck on stream! Crazy brew lol, excited to watch it from the other side
55:45 love the Doctor Who reference!
I was wondering how the pauper deck would do in legacy, glad you're here to answer lol
I haven’t seen Dovin since WAR standard and that weird, cool Sarkhan planeswalker prison deck! Cool card
that reanimator deck you faced was cool, i lost to it in the showcase today. i was surprised by some of the tech in there.
This league was so much fun, even if it wasn't the strongest deck you've shown off. But yes, I think those changes at the end look promising too.
This video brings tears to my eyes. It's so beautiful 😍
Gotta say it's weird to get these videos at 23:00 but I'm not opposed. Let's goooo!
Pauper Turbofog Poison smiles upon this deck (and wishes Wasteland wasn't a thing that makes depletion lands a joke).
11:19 I have never seen that card do anything outside of standard and limited. I'm so excited to see it facing down Griselbrand
"If you hear any bangs or whatever" dawg I'm listening to this on a construction job, banging is an external noise here lol
You forgot the Karakas in the post-game edit! Love the deck, no other notes.
wow that first proliferate win was dope 😎
It would be great to see this deck in a miracle style without infect, it may be insane , just more removal and walkers:)
That was an impressive showing of it's power
Loved this. Would be happy to see it ran again when the new ban is in place. (And maybe a 20th land :P)
"This is the future the Phyrexians WANT"
This is the future WE all want!
I've been playing something like thisnin Historic and Standard. Só much fun. Oppo's often have no idea what is happening hahaha
That second game against big Ton ton was crayyy
I really wish you had proliferated the wishclaws in round 2 a dozen times for fun. Just the idea had me giggling already.
Deck looked so fun :D
I’ve been running the Return of Tezzerator in an Esper 8-cast type shell for Ichormoon Gauntlet in my legacy play group. Having AoB ultimate as soon as he enters has been fun, same with Walking Ballista getting counters and popping off with his little pea-shooter.
I’ll have to test out Dovan in it!
This is sooooo cool! You should definitely try something similar in Modern as well! :D
Definitely one of the coolest decks I have seen recently. Wondering if this could be viable in Modern, and if this is the future of blue white control.
I love that this legacy deck has a different engine and off-flavour planeswalkers
Please keep iterating on this deck and other such funky brews.
As a bushwhacker at heart, I genuinely hate seeing u/w control.
However, for reasons I can’t really explain, this was a very fun league. Popping off with ichormoon gauntlet was cool AF. And it felt like many of your losses were really close to winnable.
These were some wacky card choices and the deck came out scrappy as hell. I really liked it. I hope we get to see some more brewing from you in the future Bosh! 😎😎😎
Anyone else kind of impressed with Dovan? That card was relevant in almost every game
24:21 if you didnt have the win there you had *4* whole extra turns you could take. One off Ashiok, one of Dovin, and two off Tefferi. Gross, love it
In those extra turns you probably could have gotten more of the other planeswalkers, I didn’t do the math
This looks like a fun deck👍
I would love you to play another league and give this another take. Seems very very promising !!
i groaned out loud when you didnt float that mana lmao
"Who's the Combo deck now Tony!"
Mymymy how the tables turned in this league
Seeing you proliferate on the Urza's sagas hurt my soul. Great move
I like the deck idea :D
this deck was sweet love that ichormoon gives -12 take a turn but teferi has -10 take 2 :P
Would love to see this type of brew in modern. Been waiting for a ichormoon gauntlet brew
I was thinking the same thing. The deck is almost modern legal so it should be do able.
@@Roeland007 problem is, this deck is kinda just bad without force
@@rey_8834 force of negation in modern 🤔
Hey! Love the deck idea! Would like to see if some inkmoth nexus might make it even easier to land poison counters on opponents :)
4 inkmoth in, blighted agents out, ponders back in?
"ONE Ichormoon Gaunt brew combo control"
Wait! You are using THREE!!
This list is so sick what in the world
Having 5 planeswalkers in play in legacy.. that was TIGHT
You were concerned about serji steppe at 1:03:14, but couldn’t they have used the reclaimer to grab it since you stopped in their upkeep?
"Force of Will, you smug idiot..." THIS is why I'm subbed
Everytime you say big Teferi I think: "wait, there's a Teferi, Hero of Dominaria in there?"
Relatively speaking :)
@@BoshNRoll Alright, hear me out, 5-color yorion superfriends with Oath of Nissa and Abundant growth to hold everything together
This deck is so sick
14:45 I felt that, it hurt
haven't watched all the way to end but gotta comment that maybe you could drop all blighted agents for ponders? Virtual card advantage from blanking all removal opponent has.
As an Arena player who has been messing around with UB creatureless poison in Standard for far too long, I am *so* hyped to see this! I wrote off Ichormoon Gauntlet as a win-more card but this really shows off what it can do! Thank you!
Do you have any thoughts about a Pioneer version of this, in either UW or UB?
Bosh have you ever tried rings of brighthearth in a planeswalker deck? I know it mainly sees play in commander but paying two mana to copy a plainswalker ability could be good.
Thanks!
Thank you!
Is March of Otherworldly Light a playable card in the conversation in the wrap up?
After deducing show and tell successfully why didn't we grab force of will at 12:25 instead of StP? We had griselbrand under control with dovin and could stay alive longer and dig for other answers instead of trying to deal with a resolved threat.
God this deck is sick
Can you shallow grave emrakul or is that a no go
Maybe a version of this with a karn + ballista set up would be viable?
The reanimated game was silly crazy 😜
g1r1 at 12:23. Would it have been better to take the Force instead of the plow since you knew they had a show and tell in hand?
I feel like the Gauntlet is playing a similar role here to Displacer Kitten in other decks -- it just constantly accrues value with everything you're already doing as a control deck, as long as you have at least one other permanent with an etb effect or counters. Maybe I'm dreaming, but I could see it end up being better than Kitten. If nothing else, it costs {1} less and dies to less removal. I'd like to mess around with this myself, I bet it would be fun with Level Up creatures!
This deck definitely wants ponder. We’re the temporal auguries really that good? Could’ve been ponders
You talked about Karakas but never added it haha. Is two drop Jace, Vryn's Prodigy playable in this deck?
Also R2G3 you could've responded to the winning Dovin activation with a Teferi proliferate. Or taken 2 more turns :)
Thanks to Tony for letting you play out Round 2, Game 3 :D
Is March of Otherworldly Light not a good replacement for Prismatic Ending in this shell? You get to hit lands with it as well.
Yeah, March is a card I forget about in Legacy but should keep on my radar for all the 2 color brewing I'm doing.
Didnt Prince do a song about Poison Control?
Is meddling mage wort a couple sb slots these days?
Can someone let me know if I'm mistaken. In game one match 3, the Ichormoon Gauntlet only puts counters on one permanent when a non creature spell is cast, but when Mr. Bosh N Roll proliferated with Dovin, he missed proliferating the poison counter onto Joe_L. At first, I thought he was missing proliferating the poison counters, but he wasn't able to besides the last counter. I think.
You are correct, but my guess its more that the clock was more of a concern than the poison counter. Winning by time was the wincon not the 10th counter, so it didn't matter and focus was on other things
@@antmansenpai Those were my thoughts too, but I often make the mistake in assuming a card works a certain way. Thanks for your help.
Obligatory algorithmic contribution
Guess we found another reason Atraxa is better than Griselbrand: it still picks up cards with Narset + Dovin on the board. 😄
1:11:23 That was a phenomenally heads-up play from the opponent.
What cEDH lists are you looking at for Dovin? Is it effective and how have you liked it?
Blue Farm is my real deck and Raffine is my fun project. I’m just always looking for asymmetrical advantage. Haven’t had one it play yet, just theory crafting.
@@BoshNRoll I can see it being good in Raffine just for disruption purposes, as like maybe the 3rd or 4th best sphere effect behind Damping Sphere and Esper Sentinel and probably Thalia too. I've only tried it in pods which are at the cusp between fringe-cEDH and extremely high power casual decks (or decks that would've been cEDH if they were around 6 years ago), which are slightly more creature heavy and closer to casual so it's been a bit worse there. But once I get the gall to build a UWx or UWxx deck I'll have to try one out for research purposes (:
Game 1, why did we not take force instead of swords? Would have been able to counter a show and tell or a reanimate effect.