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WHERE ARE THE JAPANESE ELECTRIC MOTORBIKES ?
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- Опубликовано: 13 дек 2022
- After watching videos on the new motorbike models released at EICMA Motorbike show 2022, I didn't see any new electric Japanese's bikes. Are the big Japanese motorbike companies doing anything ?
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As far as I know only Kawasaki showed some electric ones at EICMA this autumn. Probably the time is (still) not right. Great topic mate. Drop by tomorrow, I think that I prepared something interesting for you. :)
Hey mate have just seen this. I will drop by. I agree I think timing is the key. I think they must be preparing in the back ground. Take care 😎
@@MRTPR There should be something about it for sure. 😀
That's really cool Rides and interesting discussion on the topic bro. Keep it up and more vidz to come brother. Always pray before you Ride
Thank you I really appreciate your input 😎
That's really cool Rides and interesting discussion on the topic bro. Keep it up and more vidz to come brother. Always pray before you Ride. RIDE SAFE ALWAYS brother. 🙏👊😊🤙❤️
Thank you I really appreciate it and thank you for dropping by.
I agree with you. It seems the Japanese manufacturers are a long way behind with the electric scene. Kawasaki are introducing some hybrid bikes soon.
Interesting Mate, a hybrid bike , a very interesting concept. Nice to see that at least one of the Japanese companies are dabbling in new technology. 😎
Have you test rode an electric motorcycle yet? TommyG rode Harley's version. We have been to the International Motorcycle Show a few times and it is fun to see all the manufacturers there. I test rode Harley's e-bike and it was a lot of fun. I don't know any more than you do...that's for sure, lol!! Hope you and your family had a merry Christmas!!
I haven’t ridden one as yet, would love to one day. Thank you so much for dropping by and I hope you have had a wonderful Christmas. Take care 😎
@@MRTPR 🤗🎄💜 hope you get the chance to some day!
Honda has been working on a hydrogen fuel cell bike for the last few years. I think that’s the way they think it’s going to go. I’m guessing they’ll all be in when the market is begging for them.
I have heard that Kawasaki are developing this technology as well. 😄
I expect that the big 4 Japanese bike producers have electric bikes in development. Although nothing is out yet, I expect them to have something in the next 5 years.
Next year Ducati is running in the Moto E class so I expect them to release something even sooner.
I suspect you may be right Mate. Only time will tell. 😎
I have to agree with you. There's been so much talk of the big 4 to offer electric bikes that lll have the same battery to swap out. But another year has spilled by and nothing.
Yes I must say, I am surprised that there is not much being done at this stage ., that I know of. Kawasaki are dabbling in hydrogen, from reading the comment's. Interesting concept.
It wouldn't take much to charge your bike off the solar on your roof. I do it with my e-bike at the moment. So I wouldn't worry about infrastructure. Why would you charge at a station? You just wouldn't unless touring.
Battery tech is good enough at the moment, and will only get better and hopefully cheaper. Plenty of small start ups making electric motorcycles, a few here in Australia. Savic, Evoke, Fonz. Not sure anything that suits me, but would be great for commuting.
I test rode the Zero before they left Australia. Was heaps of fun. But I know you love your gear shifting Mr TPR :) So I'm sure you'll always have an ICE motorcycle in your garage. You wont need to give it up.
Yes I think for commuting around the city, they would be fabulous, I would miss the sound and the gear changing for sure. I would still be a little nervous about touring, but I am sure the technology in few years will have this sorted with plenty fast charging stations. I am happy that I will be able to have my beloved GSX for many years to come 😎
Fonz .. heyyyy 8)
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2024, im still waiting. Currently riding a BMW CE-04 but it has limited range which is frustrating. Energicas are too expensive in Japan too. So just have to keep waiting for Honda, Yamaha, etc. to make something. Anything. (with good range and specs)
Interesting mate. I am a bit surprised the Japanese haven’t come to the party as yet. Thank you for the input. 😎
Hello.
In Japan, there is almost no infrastructure for charging electric vehicles. There is no stand that can charge the EV bike when the battery level is low.
Information about EV bikes in Japan.
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EVs are mainly business vehicles for corporations.
Regarding electric motorcycles (EVs) of major manufacturers, Honda is actively promoting the conversion of business scooters to EVs for corporations. On the other hand, Yamaha, which has the only EV Evino available to the general public, seems to be accelerating EV development through repeated demonstration experiments. In addition, Kawasaki has also announced its entry into the EV domain, and we are waiting for models to be introduced in the personal/fan domain.
The E01, Yamaha's first two-class moped class EV in Japan, has been launched on the market as a demonstration test model at a low price. The purpose is to collect user usage status and vehicle information such as distance traveled and sections traveled on 3G or LTE lines, and use it for future EV model development. The output is 8.1 kW (about 11 ps), demonstrating acceleration performance equal to or better than NMAX. Equipped with three types of driving modes and traction control, it also has a regenerative brake that reproduces the feeling of engine braking and a reverse function that is convenient for handling.
The Honda Benly e: series is sold/leased to corporations as well as the electric three-wheeler Gyro e:. There are e:I (rated output 580W/load 30kg) and e:II (rated output 980W/load 60kg), which are classified as 1st class moped and ``Pro'' equipped with basket/large carrier/knuckle guard for each. It is lined up.
The Yamaha Ebino is currently the only electric motorcycle available for general purchase from a Japanese manufacturer. It can be charged in about 3 hours with household 100V (the mileage is 29km on one charge), and it is also equipped with a boost function that temporarily increases power when driving on hills or accelerating. It weighs 68kg and is light.
The 2023 model has a battery capacity of 12.2Ah, which is 1.2 times that of the previous model, and the mileage per charge has increased from 29km to 32km.
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safety and health. and peace.
Thank you my friend.
Wow, thank you for the in-depth reply my friend. Very detailed and useful information indeed. Thank again for your input 😎
Like The Silver Fox Travels says Kawasaki are developing hydrogen powered bikes, which is a new way of skirting round the obvious but deadly solution? In Scotland we're working on Rain power. A funnel under the seat collects the rain as it puddles around the riders nuptials filling the tank under the seat. A clever little electrolysis device splits the water into its two gas components, hydrogen and oxygen before being fed to the engine.
There are two massive advantages to this, 1) you never need to stop to fill up again ( as long as you're in Scotland) 2) The only emissions are water vapour which goes up into the atmosphere eventually falling back down as fuel ( rain). The only disadvantage is that a couple of people have come up with this or similar methods of using water as fuel and it led to their early unexplained loss of life?
The solutions are out there, only the truth is they don't want us to have free travel. Instead human ant farms like "The Line" are planned, the outside world will be for the elite only 😔
Well put mate. We would have trouble here in Australia, with us sitting on the road waiting for it to rain. 😁
@@MRTPR You could always fill up with a tinnie at the nearest Billabong, failing that you're surrounded by vast oceans. A little bit of desalination and Bob's your auntie, you could even sell the salt to us Scot's, we find it very useful for corroding our bikes.
We're even making the bikes out of aluminium and magnesium alloys, they literally melt after a few years. I almost emigrated to Australia as a teen-ager, the snakes and other venomous creatures put me off...Dan Andrews, Scott Morrison and that real toothy poisonous creature across the water make me glad I didn't 😀
I've seen articles about all of the big four making or planning electric bikes. They seem mainly to be the equivalent of very small bikes, though Kawasaki have shown their EV version that's supposed to be equivalent to a 650. I suspect they want to get as much out of the petrol engine development they've already invested in.
As yet, I've not seen a single electric bike that does what I need. Hopefully the tech will appear before we are forced to go electric. Right now, it doesn't seem possible due to weight restrictions. Even cars with sensible ranges are getting stupidly heavy (like the new three tonne Jaguar).
I agree mate, the electric bikes would not suit my needs either. Interesting to know that the big 4 are all planning electric bikes. I have seen in one of the comments that Suzuki have pulled out of the moto GP to focus on electric. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. I think that I will be able to keep rising my GSX for many years to come thank goodness 😎
I have an electric car and it's great but not without issues. The thought of an electric bike fills me with dread, too long to charge and not enough range. Not forgetting missing that all important engine sound. Btw, 35 degrees - I would die, lol.
We had -12 in parts of Wales last night 🥶
I love the sound of my bike and I love changing the gears. The current electric bikes are unsuitable for my needs, wow you really do have it cold over there, thank you for your input Mate 😎
I would suggest the price of the electric bikes is a major part of it. I would think they are waiting until they are affordable for the masses before producing them. Just my thoughts.
Will be a great shame when it's the norm, won't be the same without a good growl coming out of them.
Stay safe buddy
I agree mate I love the induction noice from my GSX.
Canada is also stopping sales of ICE engines in 2035. They can't stop selling gas, because 40 million drivers would sue their asses and have no way to commute. I have both gas and electric bikes.....the electric is a perfect city bike. It only adds 6 dollars a MONTH to my electric bill if I charge it every single day. The silent ride is so awesome....and I've never ran into a problem because "people can't hear me". That's just a myth. I ride the gas and electric the exact same way with the same results. Cheers !! :)
I agree the electric bikes would be perfect for the city. I would never take one for touring though, as they are at the moment. I really would miss the sound of my bike with that lovely induction sound 😎. I am pleased you commented mate as you are the only person I follow (that I am aware of) who has has had real life experience with electric bikes. Thank you for your input. 😎
Insightful question. With the big electric push (more socially than logistically at this stage), great enjoyable electric motorbikes should be a much easier achievement than electric cars but there's elements missing, important elements - tactile and interactive enjoyment is an important one and manufacturers seem tone-deaf at this to the moment. There's an Australian electric motorbike being made, it looks interesting and I like the design, but I can only imagine someone at some stage is going to find that magic in the different system - but I think it hasn't been done yet. They might be enjoyable, but they're not attractive enough yet clearly because they're not attracting people and that's not attracting the market to make and sell them. Cheers for the vid, enjoy those roads!
Thank you mate. I agree they have a little way to go, I went for as squirt on my GSX this morning,the sound the gear changing and the engagement with the bike was fabulous. Not sure we will ever get that with the electric bikes. I know they are nice, quick and efficient and I can see the attraction as a commuter,for this they will be brilliant but for touring and my long day rides, I don’t think they are there just yet. May be one day. I confess I have not ridden one as yet. I may love them. Time will tell 😎
At the Motorcycle Live show in Birmingham UK, Kawasaki we’re showing a prototype hydrogen bike. It had huge panniers which housed the fuel cells. Enjoy your 35c and spare a thought for my part of the UK where it’s a somewhat cooler -3c… 🥶🥶
Hmm, storing explosive hydrogen gas on a motorcycle sounds risky. I'm sure they've considered the safety. It will take some convincing for me.
Wow - 3, I heard there was a cold snap over there. Hydrogen, now I wasn't expecting that. Toyota are looking at the same technology, so I believe.
@@gs-xmastree7013 I think Toyota are testing hydrogen vehicle's as well.
So many things against hydrogen, it has no place in transport. The fossil fuel industry are pushing it though because it's mainly made from methane.
Interesting, I have seen in the comments that Honda are also developing the technology.
I have seen very few electric motorbikes on the road, never seen one from a major manufacturer. The fully electric vehicle will, I believe, have a much shorter lifespan than the internal combustion engine. Already hydrogen is looking like the preferred option as far as fuel is concerned, this in turn will help elongate the life of petrol and diesel engines as there is already hydrogen injection kits that can drastically reduce emissions, the reason behind alternative fuels in the first place. Some firms are jumping straight to Hydrogen as the way forward, one such is JCB, who are only 15 miles from here, they have been running evaluation tests on hydrogen vehicles for over 2 years now, simply because batteries for their construction equipment would weigh several tonnes. Also I have been shocked by the lack of range of electric motorbikes, for instance we have now done 16000+miles in our all wheel drive electric Mustang, which has the same performance as my Deauville, the range during hot weather has been as high as 345 miles, very handy. Some motorbikes range are less than 100 miles, so only suitable for tootling around town. Like you I noted the lack of mention of electric power when seeing all the main makers are bringing out a vast array of petrol bikes for 2023. Hydrogen fuel cell will be the thing for bikes rather than pure electric, well if like me you like to ride hundreds of miles in a day it will. The time I have left though it will still be a shed full of petrol power for me. Ride safe.
Well said Mate, I too won't be around long enough to worry. I believe the big bike companies are working in the background on their electric bikes. Just surprised they haven't brought anything out as yet. When I was riding yesterday just the induction sound from my wonderful in-line four as well as changing the gears is just pure joy. You won't have this with the electric machines. I hope you had a great Christmas and have a great new year. 😎
@@MRTPR Christmas day was great I got to see all the men I know as my 'kids'!
I’m sure they have some bikes developed, but are waiting to see the way markets and or legislation goes.
I agree, I think that they probably have something going on in the background. 😎
I think most of the big 4 are working on other forms of fuel such as hydrogen or some form of bio fuel.
I hope so.
Yes, some people have mentioned that Kawasaki are dabbling in hydrogen. Thank you for your input Mate.
Because they know they are a scam. Even Harley Davidson had to remove their branding from their electric bike to Livewire.
Interesting, I am certainly happy with my ICE machine and won’t be in any hurry to go electric at this stage. 😎
@@MRTPR I bought a DRZ for days maybe limited with petrol engines. All the Climate Crap. And carbon credits coming.
I'm aware Yamaha advertised new electric scooters. Sounds great as a plug in appliance, just jump on and commute. Until I read it is equivalent to a 125cc and the Price..
Yes, agree mate, they would be great for commuting, but expensive so I believe. Thanks for dropping by Mate 😎
Had to listen to it three times, before I heard "Japanese motorbike fan." At first I was sure you said "Gasanese..."
I must listen to it again mate, might be my Aussie accent. 😎
@@MRTPR or you know, my ears 😆
They are so efficient they don’t need to go electric? Lol. But ya haven’t really seen much from them have we? Hornet and Bandit? That one is new to me!
I think they may be developing machines in the background. Hornet and Bandit is our other channel, where Chris and I have a little fun. 😁. Thank you for dropping by Mate.
I think they are just bidding their time waiting for EV motors, battery tech and charging infrastructure to mature a bit more, you can be sure they will enter the market once they decide they can provide a superior product at a reasonable price, just like when Honda copied the MV Augusta and produced the 750 inline 4 back in the 1970's - the direct ancestor of the bike you are riding now :-)
Good points Mate 😎
"It's going to take a long time" Tim you can say that again. Mate unless they can improve battery tech and not generate electricity from coal and gas and make reliable, and plentiful charging stations then it's going to take a very long time in my opinion. Anyway all the Japanese manufacturers will be working on it and I've seen Kawasaki electric bikes and that apparently is the reason for Suzuki's withdrawal from Moto GP so they can concentrate on the electric vehicles.
Thank you Mate, very interesting. Suzuki withdrawing from the Moto GP did have me intrigued. I am happy that I will be able to ride my beloved GSX for many years to come. 😁 It appears that Kawasaki are dabbling in hydrogen as well from some of the other comment's.
Here in my city all electricity comes from a hydro dam, solar farms and wind turbines. We have an excess we sell to New York. There's hardly any (if any) coal powered generators here in Canada. Coal has been phased out for a long time. People always look to the States for an example... but they're behind the times.... they still use coal , and don't have the metric system, either.
@@RandysRides Obviously Canada is on the right track Randy.
The Japanese are too smart to fall for the scam.
I think they are working on them in the background mate, as they are coming. Thank you for your input, I appreciate it 😎
Yes strange the Japanese to be a bit behind...but I am sure they can't be that far in making an electric bike..
Agreed mate,I am sure they have something happening in the background as suggested from some comments. Thank you for dropping by. 😎
I can't imagine any of them will bring any EV bikes out until closer to when they have to. We generally don't want EV bikes, so they will keep pumping out ICE motorcycles while they can sell them.
I imagine that they will hold off as long as they can, so the likes of Energica and Zero etc develop the technologies and make the mistakes for them. Why bring out a bike people can't afford that doesn't have the range/charge time issues sorted, when they can wait and pop in the latest greatest tech closer to the 2035 cut off.
Well put mate, totally agree.
Interesting they are usually ahead of the game ………
They are probably developing something in the back ground . 😎
We are been pushed towards E/ Motorbikes and cars ect but is this the solution? It's an option among quite a few out there but electric powered products come at such an environmental cost and then to add to that we will have so much more sucking off an already failing and outdated electrical grid that is grossly over priced to provide supply. And by the time you cost in all of the charge up time in Kw hours over the life of the batteries for around in reality 4 to 5 years at max then the cost of replacements if they don't become obsolete first then its all a big waste. Governments and corporations are pushing this without a real answer to replacements to fuel and it is coming at a large cost to the consumers for short term products that will go through years of evolution before a long term standard like fuel is now to all.
Excellent comment, I really am interested to see how this plays out. Something has to change but I am not entirely convinced about electric vehicles, as yet. Having said that I have not researched it enough. I am just surprised that with so many governments and companies pushing the electric vehicles that the big four are not further ahead with there offerings. Thank you so much for your input mate, I really appreciate it.
Devil's advocate here.....But you just repeated what people said about the switch from horses to gas vehicles. Nowhere to fill up. Environmental damage. Part replacements. etc, etc..... Even with all that said, my bike is now 5 years old. I've replaced the batteries for a thousand dollars......BUT....I've saved over five thousand in fuel...So....4 thousand saved. The batteries get rebuilt and resold. The power required to charge is less than a 60 watt light bulb, so the overloading grid is total misinformation. Gas pumps use electricity...all day every day, using more energy than a charger. These stories we hear are mostly bullshit.
@@RandysRides well put Mate.
I did a similar video to this, it feels like they are sitting it out to see what happens!
I have heard that they may be doing something in the background maybe. I will checkout for video mate 😎 thank you for dropping by.
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Yikes! 2035 is not far off. I am hoping that touring electric motorcycles come out soon.
Thankfully, we will still be able to keep our ICE bikes and cars. However, if we want a new vehicle, it needs to be electric. 😎
@@MRTPR 👍🏍