I'm a sub 10 handicapper and I've been using the TS3 8.5deg with Tensei stiff for over 3 years now... It's still the best fit for me. Low spin, high launching and quite easy to hit. Would also recommend the Taylormade Tour Response ball for mid swing speed fellas.
I recently picked up a TS2 as a backup driver to my Rogue driver. First two rounds, sliced everything no matter what setting I used. Then I increased the sole plate weight to 2g and my drives straightened out. I'm looking forward to warmer weather this spring because I'm expecting more roll out from this driver than I get from the Rogue. If I can continue to hit 65% of the fairways, I'll be really happy.
Have been playing a Titleist 915 D2 for which I was fitted or optimized. Tested and compared it to the TS2 and TS3 last week for the first time. Preferred the TS3 but found that both were a definite improvement over the 915 both in distance and dispersion. Going back today for a fitting. For me the most interesting findings in your review had to do with the importance of the shaft and setup fitting. Thanks for your candor. Many reviewers seem reluctant to step on the toes of a manufacturer.
I just had a fitting for the TS2/3 today. Surprising to both myself and my coach, the heavier the shaft, the more consistent & accurate my shots became and clubhead speed also improved. I ended up getting the best performance from the 9.5 deg. TS3 (in neutral position) with the Evenflow shaft. We think the heavier shaft improved my tempo and improved accuracy through contact. I'm not a huge fan of the white shaft though but after seeing you also have better consistency with the Evenflow (Even though slightly shorter distances) I feel more confident in pulling the trigger. Cheers.
I am also going through this process with the new Titleist drivers as well. I was amazed how poorly my existing driver was actually performing for me, the numbers were crazy bad for side and backspin. I found this vid very interesting Peter, good luck with the new metal! Worth noting that I am also exploring the possibility of shortening the shaft a bit, as I was getting better strikes. I only play off 9 handicap though and am quite short, so clearly that wouldn't be an issue for everyone.
I find that totally interesting. I've just changed from a mizuno 850 driver to a ts2. The mizuno was longer but the ts2 feels nicer and hit more fairways. It's a big positive for the ts2
Another great/Finch take on a club review-ish video. I like this as it shows it's more than taking two clubs (stock) and deciding which one you want. The fact that you can take the same club and try numerous shafts will have a much greater benefit for an individuals game! Side note I channeled my inner Finch (raising club before takeaway) this weekend and shot my lowest score ever and won my Club Championship by 6!! First time winning anything of this magnitude! I will keep learning and improving as long as you keep inspiring!! 😎
Great video on a very critical part of golf, "the fitting". Having gone through it several times myself, I came away with the basically the same conclusions. Sure, it's usually about distance that most people try the latest drivers, while also retaining some accuracy. As you also did, finding the correct shaft is the defining part of the equation in achieving both. Well done Rick..
TS2 is the "anti-twist face"... swing speed 85mph, felt great to me, easy for me to control, pops off the face, very consistent (aprox 15 yard dispersion for me). My top end drives with my current club are about 215-220, that became the standard distance with TS2. Highly recommend you take it for a test drive, it'll be on my Christmas list :)
Andrew Grima Hi Andrew, I believe he means it’s straight face which is very straight when you see one, twist face has a bulge effect and is curved compared to the Titleist, I’ve recently bought the TS2 which does take a little while to get used to but believe me when your fitted correctly you’ll definitely see a difference in distance and dispersion meaning front to back with off centre hits it really doesn’t loose much distance at all. That’s my take on what you needed to know hope this helps.
Rob Mclain Hi Rob, adding a bigger weight makes the centre of Gravity bigger in terms of helping on miss hits but it should also increase the spin rate which could be good if you have a low spin rate, however most golfers have to much spin on the driver and when the ball lands it more or less will stop dead and won’t roll out far so be careful and get fitted if you can. Hope this helps you.
I tried the t2 driver and aps loved it gained 40 yards in my drive and more height as Well which has always been my problem and went completely straight loved it
I'd say trust your instincts they will usually be the ones in harmony with your swing the most. I've played with a chap who could never make the fairway or seemingly so with his ping driver but he was never far off and with the extra distance from the tee he was able to easily give himself birdie chances. Just got to go for what's best for progress.
I think the evenflow gave the best results. You picked up 10 yards with a very tight dispersion...take that over the tensei any day. Also you have tour level speeds and there are very few if any tour players using 55g graphite. Most are 60 plus and many are in the 70-80g range
was thinking the same thing. I was fitted for the TS3 but never even tried the Tensei. If I did I probably would have been too tempted by averaging over 300 total LOL. I ended up with the Speeder 757 Tour Spec which is 78gm and very low torque. Averaging about 280 carry now, but MUCH straighter than my previous Epic.
I'd always take accuracy over distance. Only about 15 yards in it which is nothing really. Would you prefer to be 15 yards further up the fairway but in the rough with who knows what sort of lie? or, 15 yards back but you've kept it on the short stuff, and a nice clean lie?
Matt Evans completely agree. As a fairly high handicapper, I’d much rather sacrifice distance if it means landing on a fairway. Landing in the rough, for me, can completely screw a hole
Matt Evans that’s kind of a wrong way to think, he is not going to miss every fairway with the tensei shaft and he is not going to hit every single fairway with the Mizuno. He needs to think in the way that he is maybe going to miss 2 more fairways with the titleist but is going to be 20 yards further down every time, this could mean having the chance to go for a par five in two instead of laying up and gaining .3 of a stroke. When you watch all the best guys on tour they all bomb it. As long as his worst shot with the ts3 is rough and not trees/ob I think he should go with the new titleist driver
Thanks for the review and you thoughts on both clubs. I had my TS fitting last week. Like you I quickly dismissed the TS2 for same reasons, feel and direction (one far right, one far left, etc) - just didn’t fancy it. The TS3 is what I am more used to playing the D3 model. I am glad they made the TS3 a 460 head which is not very noticable in comparison to my old gamer. Tried the standard shafts and at the end the Tensei Blue came on top. Looking forward to putting it in my bag once its arrives. Overall not massive gains in terms of distance for me at this time but very excited with the setup (went one degree up) and shaft
Got fitted for the TS3 today, standard setting, 8,5° with ProjectX Even Flow 65gr X-stiff. Swing speed 114mph, ball speed 165mph, 2000rpm, smash factor 1.5 (don't know what that means). I'm a 13 hcp so it's hard to pull the trigger on that price, but it's very tempting.
I think the TS3 was better for you with Tensei. You can dial it in. I purchased TS3 with upgraded Evenflow Black 65g 6.5 X Flex and was 1.5 yds offline. This driver is incredible. I too own the Mizuno ST180 and it's not even close distance wise but was as accurate. I hope you enjoy the Titleist.
Really excited to try the TS3. I think you should go with the TS3 + Tensei. If you want accuracy off the tee pick up a 17* Titleist 818H2. Cannot recommend that club enough.
Nice. If you haven't yet, definitely check out the 818H2. It's unlike any hybrid I've played before. Looks gorgeous behind the ball, it's easy to keep in the fairway off the tee, and it produces less spin and lower launch than other hybrids I've tried so it goes for miles.
Another great video Pete! In my opinion, I say you should go for the TS3 with the Tensei shaft. Take the distance every time. Distance off the tee determines ability to score. Shorter approaches mean tighter shot dispersion which means shorter putts. Your swing is so technically beautiful that your dispersion will continue to get better the more you practice with this club. Keep up the great work!
Great video Pete, I saw Ricks review on them and after seeing your fitting I'm thinking of having a closer look and possibly a fitting when they come out here, with regard to your choice, take it out and play a few rounds on different courses that you've played before with your old driver and see how it compares in a "real" golf situation, after all that's where you want it to perform, there's nothing like the golf course to really test how a driver performs, and yes there's nothing like the feeling of hitting a driver long, especially when you know that you can trust it to hit the target, good luck and great golfing whatever your choice is
Great review. I can’t wait to give one of these a try. Currently have an Epic driver that I don’t hit very well. I have always liked Titleist drivers but could never get good distance out of them. Keep the reviews coming.
Yes excited to try the new Titleist driver as they do seem longer when dialled in. In your case surely accuracy is important with decent or good distance not just distance! Par 4s shouldn’t be a issue in getting on the greens in 2 unless it’s blowing a gale so it’s down to par 5s in two average par five around 540 yards so a good accurate drive good distance 300 yards give or take you’ve got the power to reach comfortably so why go for a extra 20 yards off line? Come on pete you’ve played long enough to know by now distance isn’t always the winner. Good in-depth video very enjoyable.
As a Titleist loyalist its good to see them do something a bit different with their drivers/fairway metals. I'd be keen to give them a hit and see how they feel and which one would be more suited to my game. To be honset I'd love a whole bag fitting but don't have that kind of money. Maybe one day.
Pete, just a suggestion. Why don’t you get both? When you play a tight course, where accuracy is a must use the evenflow. When the course is more open use the tensei shaft.
I have the ts3 love the feel of it using the kurakaga s in mine...bombing distance no accuracy issues...thanks for video...I want fitted I love the feel of the kurakaga...
Just put the tensei blue stiff in my M2 2017 head and it is an absolute weapon. I will be testing the new Titleist at the weekend but dought it will move the M2 from the bag
Hey Pete just don't work for me. Also IV just broken the 90 with a 89 score round my home club Montgomery in dubai. So I am very happy with the set up. Werid one I never pull my 5 iron out the bag but have a 4 iron and 4 20 Deg hybrid I like to hit them both. Could I take the 5iron out you think and replace with another hybrid
An excellent vlog Peter and very informative too. Amazing the difference a few tweaks etc can make. I do like the look of the new TS drivers but the price for me is prohibitive. At my age I suspect I could get the accuracy improvement I would like from lessons / practice; I am less worried about distance. Cheers!
The shaft is 45.50 inches stock. Did you change shaft length? TS D-2 looks like 915 D-3. The static head weights have to be changed because of shaft length. I have seen all the tests. The summary is TS is 1-2 degree higher launch. About 300-500 less spin & about 5-10 yards over 917 D2. The 917 was shorter when tested again other drivers. The cost of these drivers are close to PXG price point when you order a good shaft. Msrp- $550 base, $240 for shaft upgrade on average.Tensi pro shaft $ 300-$340 more.
I'm going to go and hit a few and give it a go. But.. It's going to have to be something special to edge the m3 440 out of my bag. 905 r was the last time I think titleist had a top class stand out performer.. let's see how it goes ..
Hey Pete very good video, I would stick with the even flow shaft. I know 10 -15 more yards is always good but accuracy I feel is more important. Pete I think you have a very nice golf swing and you can easily make up that distance with no problem.
Take them out on the course and see how they perform, see if the shaping and stuff is there when out on the course with hazards, doglegs and such in play, great video though keep up the good work 👍
Pete. Like you my course management golf brain says to go with the more accurate driver so as to take the trouble out of play. So obviously my advise to you is BOOM BOOM. Go the long ball.
Good vid Peter Finch . I reckon if you had it in you bag and it is as forgiving as you say, it won't be be long before you really dial the TS3 in and step up your game like you really want. Imagine taking big lumps out of them big par 5's and who want's safe and comfortable.
I say go back and hit them on another day when you are not wearing coffee as a cologne and see if the results repeat. I'm excited to try a Titleist driver, especially something that is not multi-material after seeing the Epic and Rogue drivers splitting at the carbon crown/frame seams.
I have played with many golfers who hit the ball a long way...but the next shot was usually coming from the weeds, the trees, the desert...almost any place except the fairway...Last week I played with an old guy like me...we didn't hit the ball very far, but we usually hit the next shot from the fairway...Yeh, I'll opt for accuracy...
Your iron game from what I've seen on your course vlogs is great enough to sacrifice a little bit of accuracy issues for an extra 30 yards off the tee. I feel you should go ts3 with the weight at the toe within a week you'll be banging that down the dead center of the fairway
@@peterfinchgolf I played a round today and I hit my driver good and hit the best wedge shots I've hit so far, but I'm still topping almost every other iron shot any advice?
I watched your and RS take on the new Titleist drivers and it looks like they have produced a top product. I owned a 907 way back and it put me off Titleist for a while , but I'd definitely be interested in seeing one of these TS 3's in the future. Personally I like a bit more consistent , but who doesn't want to smash them longer all the time 😝
I think fitting is much more the question and focus on the right shaft and Grip. So you need a set of diff types. Aldila RIP Alpha and Matrix Ozik RedTie are a must. Even the use of 52g Grip and a Tour25. And then compare each shaft with each head (TS2, TS3, M1, F8+, GBB) and each grip .. lot of work for you .. if I would be your Fitter.
Go for the 3. Traditional look and bombing it, Shiels liked the 3 better as well. I have Sub Zero w/ Evenflow T1100, would like to compare it with same shaft in the TS3.
1. Cant wait to receive my pair of adicross 2.0 that you wore during the fitting and which I won on instagram from your instagram give away. 2. The fitter was probably just happy it was “down goes Finch” instead of “down goes Frazier”
Pete normally i would say go for accuracy but this time go for long ball and see how that compares to the Mizuno that you can use when you are playing a tighter course
Fantastic video Peter. Well I must admit I'm a little biased.....Mizuno baby! I still use the Mizuno MP-001 driver composite top head from around 20 years ago. So these so called revolutionary new drivers aren't really anything new. But it all comes down to you sir.........................Mizuno!
The Tensei may not be as inaccurate as you think. Any club over a longer distance will have that issue. Because 1 degree continues to expand the further it goes. I say go for the length especially with 20+yd gains. Hitting a shorther club will result in more birdie opportunities.
Was tensei in reg length? May be worth trying slightly shorter to keep dispersion down if you like the feel. Helped me in my fitting just going .5" shorter and lost very little total distance
I would go with the intense shaft. Then take a trip to Dan Whitaker to see if he can get to smashing it Long and Straight. Great data by the way, was really interesting to see. Cheers
I'd personally test out say the callaway or taylormade drivers to get a better comparison. While I did like the titleist drivers in the past, I personally wouldn't limit myself when you have the opportunity to make the best decision - especially with winter coming where you could work on generating more power. I knew when I got the M3 with the right shaft combo it gave me loads of confidence and I love the look and feel of it too which is a big part of golf for me.
If I was in your shoes then I would put the even flow shaft in play,you was still getting great numbers with that shaft and with a tighter dispersion hopefully finding more fairways,shame you couldn’t try both shafts out on the course
I’m looking for a new driver. I have played all Titleist for 16 years and am/was looking to move away from them completely. I feel like as a company they don’t care about any customers that aren’t pros. That being said, when you are not a long ball hitter and hear people saying that have gained 10-20 yards you perk up. I have hit these both and I feel two things. 1. I don’t love the shaft options. I have played the blue diamana and love it, nothing they have translate. I also don’t want to buy it without trying it first 2. I feel like they should have had 3 options. I feel like they are missing something. I am waiting until March for a new driver. I will see what else new comes out.
Is there any chance you could test the difference between the graphite shaft your chose and a steel driver shaft, like the TT Dynamic Gold S300/ X100... or something like that. It would be super interesting!
Tip that tensei an extra 1/4" and you'll accomplish 2 things more than likely...more center strikes, a little more stoutness that should lessen dispersion.
I really like the look of both would really have to have a go to be sure. 278 carry "I'm not a long hitter", your having a giraffe Pete, honestly. I would go with more accuracy over the extra distance, as when you start to find the middle of the club they will go that little bit better also.
I'd stay with the mizuno for the simple fact that a fairway is always better then the rough but if I had to choose a titleist i'd go ts2 with the tensi shaft not a huge fan of to much adjustability
Not tried the titleist drivers ., but I have tried those shafts .. it’s a bit subjective as it’s how it feels for you that counts, but for me the tensei shafts are just more predictable and workable. The project x ones will throw in some oddball results .. I’d go tensei all day long but it’s how it works for you that matters
TS 3 for you and Rick but accuracy first, 5-10 yards not an issue if your hitting it 300 yards anyway (us mere mortals struggle for 250+ were its all about distance) Have TM M2 Diver at the moment but seriously looking at Titleist for the first time as a real option for a new driver
15 yards is an entire club. An entire club less from the rough too. It’s a no brainer, you could always learn to smooth one out there with the Tensei to find a fairway. I think it’s better to have max distance and then be able to dial it back to hit a fairway finder, than to go for accuracy and have to work on distance!
Pete im excited to test the TS but just bought a m1 recently so im not buying one. Pete I think 10 yards extra distance is a lot but iys your club Pete. Great video loved the intro
Played yesterday, hit a drive green high but in trees. Hit the perfect 54degree wedge low under tree limbs right to the hole. While saying "Oh my god" over and over, trying to see this shot I tripped over a wooden fence. But the shot ended 3ft from the hole.
Pete, did you get fit for the Mizuno? If no, you might want to get fit for it as well. Maybe you can get more out of it. Otherwise, the yardage gain is hard to pass up in the TS3. Course management + longer drives = Quest for the Open
Wow wow. Seems Titleist have really found a winning combination in the TS series. Some very impressive gains by the end of your fitting session! Like you said, you’ll have to do a deeper dive into the numbers & make the call based on an evaluation of your game...make the sensible/prudent decision... But yeah, in general, long-bomb tensei setup all day for me. 😂👍🏻 Dang, probably 40+ drivers have been released since I got my original M1, and for the first time since then, I’m really interested in possibly buying a new one. Rick’s review planted the seed, the videos by Liam at GolfVlogsUK definitely got the idea of a new driver to take root, and now your video has me convinced...Xmas gift to myself, new driver fitting & possibly a shiny new toy! Gotta say, pretty brilliant job by Titleist marketing-wise to get so many RUclipsrs set up with on-camera custom fitting sessions & not just demo clubs. Whether it’s a pro like you or a club golfer like Liam & eBay Pete, the custom fit TS drivers are killing it. Really exciting!
You should try a Tensei Pro Blue instead of the stock Tensei Blue. The Pro Blue has the boron tip which is much more stable. I know they are saying these are real deal shafts, but the two truly don’t compare. Plus, a 55 gram shaft is far too lite for someone of your swing speed.
I would always choose accuracy over distance, but I am not Peter Finch. You went for the Mizuno because of accuracy. If you still find accuracy is the most important I don’t see why you should change driver. But if you do; I AM IN for your Mizuno!
At first I was skeptical of the design but the more I look at it, its nice looking. Having said that, I dont think Titleist will ever make a better driver than TM.
Hey Pete. I was wondering about the stability of the shoes you’re wearing. I have some trainers like that and not good for hitting because of stability. I’d imagine the golf shoe is better. Thoughts?
TS3 for sure. No reason to go with a less adjustable unless it works. I don't think you'll like less control though. A few yards longer maybe but the first time you go OB, you'll regret it.
That thud from the ball's simulated landing is so satisfying to hear
I'm a sub 10 handicapper and I've been using the TS3 8.5deg with Tensei stiff for over 3 years now... It's still the best fit for me. Low spin, high launching and quite easy to hit. Would also recommend the Taylormade Tour Response ball for mid swing speed fellas.
I recently picked up a TS2 as a backup driver to my Rogue driver. First two rounds, sliced everything no matter what setting I used. Then I increased the sole plate weight to 2g and my drives straightened out. I'm looking forward to warmer weather this spring because I'm expecting more roll out from this driver than I get from the Rogue. If I can continue to hit 65% of the fairways, I'll be really happy.
Have been playing a Titleist 915 D2 for which I was fitted or optimized. Tested and compared it to the TS2 and TS3 last week for the first time. Preferred the TS3 but found that both were a definite improvement over the 915 both in distance and dispersion. Going back today for a fitting. For me the most interesting findings in your review had to do with the importance of the shaft and setup fitting. Thanks for your candor. Many reviewers seem reluctant to step on the toes of a manufacturer.
Ha none of that reluctance here!
I just had a fitting for the TS2/3 today. Surprising to both myself and my coach, the heavier the shaft, the more consistent & accurate my shots became and clubhead speed also improved. I ended up getting the best performance from the 9.5 deg. TS3 (in neutral position) with the Evenflow shaft. We think the heavier shaft improved my tempo and improved accuracy through contact. I'm not a huge fan of the white shaft though but after seeing you also have better consistency with the Evenflow (Even though slightly shorter distances) I feel more confident in pulling the trigger. Cheers.
Oh - and Titleist has just lowered the price. Bonus!
I am also going through this process with the new Titleist drivers as well. I was amazed how poorly my existing driver was actually performing for me, the numbers were crazy bad for side and backspin. I found this vid very interesting Peter, good luck with the new metal! Worth noting that I am also exploring the possibility of shortening the shaft a bit, as I was getting better strikes. I only play off 9 handicap though and am quite short, so clearly that wouldn't be an issue for everyone.
Great that you've found something that works better for you! :)
Groovy tune there Peter, I like it. It's like talking about clubs in an upscale lounge over a top shelf drink.
Haha I wish
I find that totally interesting. I've just changed from a mizuno 850 driver to a ts2. The mizuno was longer but the ts2 feels nicer and hit more fairways. It's a big positive for the ts2
335. dead center. Winning!!!! thanks for the fitting video, fun to watch, Pete.
Thanks Nick
Another great/Finch take on a club review-ish video. I like this as it shows it's more than taking two clubs (stock) and deciding which one you want. The fact that you can take the same club and try numerous shafts will have a much greater benefit for an individuals game! Side note I channeled my inner Finch (raising club before takeaway) this weekend and shot my lowest score ever and won my Club Championship by 6!! First time winning anything of this magnitude! I will keep learning and improving as long as you keep inspiring!! 😎
Wow awesome stuff bud! Keep it up!
Looked a great morning and distance is always going to be a great advantage and then work on the accuracy Pete. Great vlog as always
Cheers Lee
Great video on a very critical part of golf, "the fitting". Having gone through it several times myself, I came away with the basically the same conclusions. Sure, it's usually about distance that most people try the latest drivers, while also retaining some accuracy. As you also did, finding the correct shaft is the defining part of the equation in achieving both. Well done Rick..
Haha
TS2 is the "anti-twist face"... swing speed 85mph, felt great to me, easy for me to control, pops off the face, very consistent (aprox 15 yard dispersion for me). My top end drives with my current club are about 215-220, that became the standard distance with TS2. Highly recommend you take it for a test drive, it'll be on my Christmas list :)
Andrew Grima Hi Andrew, I believe he means it’s straight face which is very straight when you see one, twist face has a bulge effect and is curved compared to the Titleist, I’ve recently bought the TS2 which does take a little while to get used to but believe me when your fitted correctly you’ll definitely see a difference in distance and dispersion meaning front to back with off centre hits it really doesn’t loose much distance at all. That’s my take on what you needed to know hope this helps.
@@geordietoonforlife.1155 what does adding a bigger weight on ts2 do? I noticed you can
Rob Mclain Hi Rob, adding a bigger weight makes the centre of Gravity bigger in terms of helping on miss hits but it should also increase the spin rate which could be good if you have a low spin rate, however most golfers have to much spin on the driver and when the ball lands it more or less will stop dead and won’t roll out far so be careful and get fitted if you can. Hope this helps you.
TS3 with Tensei shaft gained 10 yards over 917D2 with Accra shaft. Job done, ordered.
I tried the t2 driver and aps loved it gained 40 yards in my drive and more height as Well which has always been my problem and went completely straight loved it
Awesome!
Just too bad about the price just wish they could just sponsor me would make my life a hell lot easier
Well done! I’m excited to get fitted for a a new TS later this week.
Awesome James, enjoy!
Titleist is a very classy and quality golf club. Let's get stuck in!
Finch has really been jazzing up his editing recently. Really digging it
Cheers bud
the Miami Vice intro music is definitely jazzy! ;)
I'd say trust your instincts they will usually be the ones in harmony with your swing the most. I've played with a chap who could never make the fairway or seemingly so with his ping driver but he was never far off and with the extra distance from the tee he was able to easily give himself birdie chances.
Just got to go for what's best for progress.
Cheers Michael, have to get out on the course and see how I get on
I think the evenflow gave the best results. You picked up 10 yards with a very tight dispersion...take that over the tensei any day. Also you have tour level speeds and there are very few if any tour players using 55g graphite. Most are 60 plus and many are in the 70-80g range
was thinking the same thing. I was fitted for the TS3 but never even tried the Tensei. If I did I probably would have been too tempted by averaging over 300 total LOL. I ended up with the Speeder 757 Tour Spec which is 78gm and very low torque. Averaging about 280 carry now, but MUCH straighter than my previous Epic.
Can't wait to try them. My pro has reached out to his Titleist rep to try to get demos, but I haven't heard anything yet.
Exciting stuff!
I'd always take accuracy over distance.
Only about 15 yards in it which is nothing really.
Would you prefer to be 15 yards further up the fairway but in the rough with who knows what sort of lie?
or,
15 yards back but you've kept it on the short stuff, and a nice clean lie?
Agreed. I'd happily take 15 yards off every single one of my shots if I knew I'd keep it in the short stuff/on the green every time.
Matt Evans completely agree. As a fairly high handicapper, I’d much rather sacrifice distance if it means landing on a fairway. Landing in the rough, for me, can completely screw a hole
Matt Evans that’s kind of a wrong way to think, he is not going to miss every fairway with the tensei shaft and he is not going to hit every single fairway with the Mizuno. He needs to think in the way that he is maybe going to miss 2 more fairways with the titleist but is going to be 20 yards further down every time, this could mean having the chance to go for a par five in two instead of laying up and gaining .3 of a stroke. When you watch all the best guys on tour they all bomb it. As long as his worst shot with the ts3 is rough and not trees/ob I think he should go with the new titleist driver
Long but not necessarily straight is the modern way, I don’t mean out of bounds but pros would rather be 15 yards further and in the 1st cut
The Strokes Gained stats establish pretty clearly that the 15 yards are more valuable than accuracy (provided you keep it in play).
Thanks for the review and you thoughts on both clubs. I had my TS fitting last week. Like you I quickly dismissed the TS2 for same reasons, feel and direction (one far right, one far left, etc) - just didn’t fancy it. The TS3 is what I am more used to playing the D3 model. I am glad they made the TS3 a 460 head which is not very noticable in comparison to my old gamer. Tried the standard shafts and at the end the Tensei Blue came on top. Looking forward to putting it in my bag once its arrives. Overall not massive gains in terms of distance for me at this time but very excited with the setup (went one degree up) and shaft
Exciting!
Go for accurate driving...then work up to more distance...confidence will produce longer drives down the road...relaxing is to me the key..good luck!!
Thanks bud
Should I buy now or wait for the TS4 & TS5? Heard rumors they will be longer and more forgiving.
Got fitted for the TS3 today, standard setting, 8,5° with ProjectX Even Flow 65gr X-stiff. Swing speed 114mph, ball speed 165mph, 2000rpm, smash factor 1.5 (don't know what that means).
I'm a 13 hcp so it's hard to pull the trigger on that price, but it's very tempting.
Do it do it do it
Well, that doesnt help at all...
I think the TS3 was better for you with Tensei. You can dial it in. I purchased TS3 with upgraded Evenflow Black 65g 6.5 X Flex and was 1.5 yds offline. This driver is incredible. I too own the Mizuno ST180 and it's not even close distance wise but was as accurate. I hope you enjoy the Titleist.
Cheers bud, waiting for it to arrive!
Loved the breakdown of the spill...also 3wood for accuracy, driver for bombs!
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You got one out there at 335! I liked the background music
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I truly hope that was an open fitting day at the Quest golf studio, else you are taking the youtube effect to a whole new level.....
Just me Bro :)
Really excited to try the TS3. I think you should go with the TS3 + Tensei. If you want accuracy off the tee pick up a 17* Titleist 818H2. Cannot recommend that club enough.
That's what I'm leaning towards
Nice. If you haven't yet, definitely check out the 818H2. It's unlike any hybrid I've played before. Looks gorgeous behind the ball, it's easy to keep in the fairway off the tee, and it produces less spin and lower launch than other hybrids I've tried so it goes for miles.
Another great video Pete! In my opinion, I say you should go for the TS3 with the Tensei shaft. Take the distance every time. Distance off the tee determines ability to score. Shorter approaches mean tighter shot dispersion which means shorter putts. Your swing is so technically beautiful that your dispersion will continue to get better the more you practice with this club. Keep up the great work!
Cheers Paul
Great video Pete, I saw Ricks review on them and after seeing your fitting I'm thinking of having a closer look and possibly a fitting when they come out here, with regard to your choice, take it out and play a few rounds on different courses that you've played before with your old driver and see how it compares in a "real" golf situation, after all that's where you want it to perform, there's nothing like the golf course to really test how a driver performs, and yes there's nothing like the feeling of hitting a driver long, especially when you know that you can trust it to hit the target, good luck and great golfing whatever your choice is
Thanks alot Mark :) yep going to do some more testing, see how I get on
no worries mate, good luck with that, and I look forward to seeing more about how it performs
Great review. I can’t wait to give one of these a try. Currently have an Epic driver that I don’t hit very well. I have always liked Titleist drivers but could never get good distance out of them. Keep the reviews coming.
You should try and get your hands on one of these!!!
Yes excited to try the new Titleist driver as they do seem longer when dialled in. In your case surely accuracy is important with decent or good distance not just distance! Par 4s shouldn’t be a issue in getting on the greens in 2 unless it’s blowing a gale so it’s down to par 5s in two average par five around 540 yards so a good accurate drive good distance 300 yards give or take you’ve got the power to reach comfortably so why go for a extra 20 yards off line? Come on pete you’ve played long enough to know by now distance isn’t always the winner. Good in-depth video very enjoyable.
Cheers bud
As a Titleist loyalist its good to see them do something a bit different with their drivers/fairway metals. I'd be keen to give them a hit and see how they feel and which one would be more suited to my game. To be honset I'd love a whole bag fitting but don't have that kind of money. Maybe one day.
#goals
Pete, just a suggestion. Why don’t you get both? When you play a tight course, where accuracy is a must use the evenflow. When the course is more open use the tensei shaft.
I have the ts3 love the feel of it using the kurakaga s in mine...bombing distance no accuracy issues...thanks for video...I want fitted I love the feel of the kurakaga...
Love this. Very much would like to see you be fitted for a full bag at some point.
Maybe at some point
I think it is Time for a head 2 head course vlog between the mizuno and the titleist. This would be fun to watch. Great vid.
Think you might be right!
Just put the tensei blue stiff in my M2 2017 head and it is an absolute weapon. I will be testing the new Titleist at the weekend but dought it will move the M2 from the bag
Let us know how you get on
Hey Pete just don't work for me. Also IV just broken the 90 with a 89 score round my home club Montgomery in dubai. So I am very happy with the set up. Werid one I never pull my 5 iron out the bag but have a 4 iron and 4 20 Deg hybrid I like to hit them both. Could I take the 5iron out you think and replace with another hybrid
An excellent vlog Peter and very informative too. Amazing the difference a few tweaks etc can make.
I do like the look of the new TS drivers but the price for me is prohibitive. At my age I suspect I could get the accuracy improvement I would like from lessons / practice; I am less worried about distance.
Cheers!
Loved the start of the Vlog Pete👌🏻⛳️👍🏻 excellent as always
Not quite the start I'm usually after but hey ho!
The shaft is 45.50 inches stock. Did you change shaft length? TS D-2 looks like 915 D-3. The static head weights have to be changed because of shaft length. I have seen all the tests. The summary is TS is 1-2 degree higher launch. About 300-500 less spin & about 5-10 yards over 917 D2. The 917 was shorter when tested again other drivers. The cost of these drivers are close to PXG price point when you order a good shaft. Msrp- $550 base, $240 for shaft upgrade on average.Tensi pro shaft $ 300-$340 more.
do you think you ended up at the best combo or did you just warm up? did you end up testing the mizuno again later on?
These new drivers seem nice. Go for the tensei shaft Peter. Work is n the putter. Drive for show, putt for dough.
All about the dough
Distance makes you smile
Hitting it where you want gives you confidence
Finding the balance between distance and precision is the holy grail
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I'm going to go and hit a few and give it a go. But.. It's going to have to be something special to edge the m3 440 out of my bag. 905 r was the last time I think titleist had a top class stand out performer.. let's see how it goes ..
I'm with you on that one. More testing to be done!
Hey Pete very good video, I would stick with the even flow shaft. I know 10 -15 more yards is always good but accuracy I feel is more important. Pete I think you have a very nice golf swing and you can easily make up that distance with no problem.
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Take them out on the course and see how they perform, see if the shaping and stuff is there when out on the course with hazards, doglegs and such in play, great video though keep up the good work 👍
Thanks Jonathan
Pete. Like you my course management golf brain says to go with the more accurate driver so as to take the trouble out of play. So obviously my advise to you is BOOM BOOM. Go the long ball.
It's an obvious choice!
Good vid Peter Finch . I reckon if you had it in you bag and it is as forgiving as you say, it won't be be long before you really dial the TS3 in and step up your game like you really want. Imagine taking big lumps out of them big par 5's and who want's safe and comfortable.
Watch me blow safe and comfortable out the water!
As long as technology advances, the next "Big Thing" will always be around the next corner...
Great Vid as Always Pete!!!
Thanks alot Alan
I say go back and hit them on another day when you are not wearing coffee as a cologne and see if the results repeat. I'm excited to try a Titleist driver, especially something that is not multi-material after seeing the Epic and Rogue drivers splitting at the carbon crown/frame seams.
Going to carry on testing out :)
I have played with many golfers who hit the ball a long way...but the next shot was usually coming from the weeds, the trees, the desert...almost any place except the fairway...Last week I played with an old guy like me...we didn't hit the ball very far, but we usually hit the next shot from the fairway...Yeh, I'll opt for accuracy...
Hmmmm
Your iron game from what I've seen on your course vlogs is great enough to sacrifice a little bit of accuracy issues for an extra 30 yards off the tee. I feel you should go ts3 with the weight at the toe within a week you'll be banging that down the dead center of the fairway
Ha hopefully
@@peterfinchgolf I played a round today and I hit my driver good and hit the best wedge shots I've hit so far, but I'm still topping almost every other iron shot any advice?
See if these help
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I watched your and RS take on the new Titleist drivers and it looks like they have produced a top product.
I owned a 907 way back and it put me off Titleist for a while , but I'd definitely be interested in seeing one of these TS 3's in the future.
Personally I like a bit more consistent , but who doesn't want to smash them longer all the time 😝
Ha tell me about it. Worth a try if you can get your hands on one
I think fitting is much more the question and focus on the right shaft and Grip. So you need a set of diff types. Aldila RIP Alpha and Matrix Ozik RedTie are a must. Even the use of 52g Grip and a Tour25. And then compare each shaft with each head (TS2, TS3, M1, F8+, GBB) and each grip .. lot of work for you .. if I would be your Fitter.
Nice summer job in the school holidays for Frazer.
Haha, if I shaved my beard off reckon we'd be the same age!
Go for the 3. Traditional look and bombing it, Shiels liked the 3 better as well. I have Sub Zero w/ Evenflow T1100, would like to compare it with same shaft in the TS3.
1. Cant wait to receive my pair of adicross 2.0 that you wore during the fitting and which I won on instagram from your instagram give away.
2. The fitter was probably just happy it was “down goes Finch” instead of “down goes Frazier”
Congrats bud, Adicross's making their way to you!
Pete normally i would say go for accuracy but this time go for long ball and see how that compares to the Mizuno that you can use when you are playing a tighter course
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I would try both on a course to see how much of a problem the dispersion would be. I would say that it is better to have accuracy over length.
Yup
saw them yesterday think they look great have 917 so won't be changing but looking to get new 3 wood and will probably have a look at them
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Fantastic video Peter. Well I must admit I'm a little biased.....Mizuno baby! I still use the Mizuno MP-001 driver composite top head from around 20 years ago. So these so called revolutionary new drivers aren't really anything new. But it all comes down to you sir.........................Mizuno!
The Tensei may not be as inaccurate as you think. Any club over a longer distance will have that issue. Because 1 degree continues to expand the further it goes. I say go for the length especially with 20+yd gains. Hitting a shorther club will result in more birdie opportunities.
That's what I'm thinking
Was tensei in reg length? May be worth trying slightly shorter to keep dispersion down if you like the feel. Helped me in my fitting just going .5" shorter and lost very little total distance
I would go with the intense shaft. Then take a trip to Dan Whitaker to see if he can get to smashing it Long and Straight. Great data by the way, was really interesting to see. Cheers
Cheers brendan
Get both shafts and change depending on course/conditions or would that be counter productive as you'd find it hard to settle into the driver?
Probably counter productive
i'm excited to see them and see if there is a big difference. The head shape on ts2 what makes it so different?
I'd personally test out say the callaway or taylormade drivers to get a better comparison. While I did like the titleist drivers in the past, I personally wouldn't limit myself when you have the opportunity to make the best decision - especially with winter coming where you could work on generating more power. I knew when I got the M3 with the right shaft combo it gave me loads of confidence and I love the look and feel of it too which is a big part of golf for me.
Mark Reddaway ñ
Easy fix. Do the Tensei Blue in a 65-X instead of a 55-X.
great video. realy excited to try out the ts3 aswell. Just shows u how important is club fitting
I find getting fitted so interesting
If I was in your shoes then I would put the even flow shaft in play,you was still getting great numbers with that shaft and with a tighter dispersion
hopefully finding more fairways,shame you couldn’t try both shafts out on the course
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the guy at the back always smiles as he hits the shot
I’m looking for a new driver. I have played all Titleist for 16 years and am/was looking to move away from them completely. I feel like as a company they don’t care about any customers that aren’t pros.
That being said, when you are not a long ball hitter and hear people saying that have gained 10-20 yards you perk up. I have hit these both and I feel two things. 1. I don’t love the shaft options. I have played the blue diamana and love it, nothing they have translate. I also don’t want to buy it without trying it first 2. I feel like they should have had 3 options. I feel like they are missing something.
I am waiting until March for a new driver. I will see what else new comes out.
Is there any chance you could test the difference between the graphite shaft your chose and a steel driver shaft, like the TT Dynamic Gold S300/ X100... or something like that. It would be super interesting!
Tip that tensei an extra 1/4" and you'll accomplish 2 things more than likely...more center strikes, a little more stoutness that should lessen dispersion.
I really like the look of both would really have to have a go to be sure. 278 carry "I'm not a long hitter", your having a giraffe Pete, honestly. I would go with more accuracy over the extra distance, as when you start to find the middle of the club they will go that little bit better also.
Cheers Tony
very interesting session & explanations
I'd stay with the mizuno for the simple fact that a fairway is always better then the rough but if I had to choose a titleist i'd go ts2 with the tensi shaft not a huge fan of to much adjustability
Not tried the titleist drivers ., but I have tried those shafts .. it’s a bit subjective as it’s how it feels for you that counts, but for me the tensei shafts are just more predictable and workable. The project x ones will throw in some oddball results .. I’d go tensei all day long but it’s how it works for you that matters
Cheers bud
TS 3 for you and Rick but accuracy first, 5-10 yards not an issue if your hitting it 300 yards anyway (us mere mortals struggle for 250+ were its all about distance) Have TM M2 Diver at the moment but seriously looking at Titleist for the first time as a real option for a new driver
Matthew Harker do it. Been TM for a while now but finally went back to titleist. Best driver they’ve released yet...
Loving that music in the intro I watched it like 4 times!
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That's why u should go for the accuracy pete and not the distance. After all u are a pro. Consistency always wins.
Pros also need distance
15 yards is an entire club. An entire club less from the rough too. It’s a no brainer, you could always learn to smooth one out there with the Tensei to find a fairway. I think it’s better to have max distance and then be able to dial it back to hit a fairway finder, than to go for accuracy and have to work on distance!
Agreed
What gram weight is in the head and what size weight is in the sure fit slot?
How much did you put into the sure fit towards the toe
Love the 80's synth music Peter. Very Human League!
Just too cool for school me!
Pete im excited to test the TS but just bought a m1 recently so im not buying one. Pete I think 10 yards extra distance is a lot but iys your club Pete. Great video loved the intro
Thanks Heindrich
Played yesterday, hit a drive green high but in trees. Hit the perfect 54degree wedge low under tree limbs right to the hole. While saying "Oh my god" over and over, trying to see this shot I tripped over a wooden fence. But the shot ended 3ft from the hole.
Haha
Pete, did you get fit for the Mizuno? If no, you might want to get fit for it as well. Maybe you can get more out of it. Otherwise, the yardage gain is hard to pass up in the TS3. Course management + longer drives = Quest for the Open
Nice bullets, you need to test further because your strike control was not at your best it seems. Thanks for sharing 👍
Definitely more testing to be done!
Wow wow. Seems Titleist have really found a winning combination in the TS series. Some very impressive gains by the end of your fitting session! Like you said, you’ll have to do a deeper dive into the numbers & make the call based on an evaluation of your game...make the sensible/prudent decision... But yeah, in general, long-bomb tensei setup all day for me. 😂👍🏻
Dang, probably 40+ drivers have been released since I got my original M1, and for the first time since then, I’m really interested in possibly buying a new one. Rick’s review planted the seed, the videos by Liam at GolfVlogsUK definitely got the idea of a new driver to take root, and now your video has me convinced...Xmas gift to myself, new driver fitting & possibly a shiny new toy!
Gotta say, pretty brilliant job by Titleist marketing-wise to get so many RUclipsrs set up with on-camera custom fitting sessions & not just demo clubs. Whether it’s a pro like you or a club golfer like Liam & eBay Pete, the custom fit TS drivers are killing it. Really exciting!
Do it, you deserve it!
You should try a Tensei Pro Blue instead of the stock Tensei Blue. The Pro Blue has the boron tip which is much more stable. I know they are saying these are real deal shafts, but the two truly don’t compare. Plus, a 55 gram shaft is far too lite for someone of your swing speed.
You should have tried a lower torque tensei blue as that can matter as well. Or tried another shaft outside their offering...
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I would always choose accuracy over distance, but I am not Peter Finch. You went for the Mizuno because of accuracy. If you still find accuracy is the most important I don’t see why you should change driver. But if you do; I AM IN for your Mizuno!
I can work on the accuracy with the Titleist, just going to see how I get on
Peter Finch Golf I see. So there’s no hindrance to send me your “old” Mizuno 😉 I promise I will take good care of her!
At first I was skeptical of the design but the more I look at it, its nice looking. Having said that, I dont think Titleist will ever make a better driver than TM.
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Hey Pete. I was wondering about the stability of the shoes you’re wearing.
I have some trainers like that and not good for hitting because of stability.
I’d imagine the golf shoe is better. Thoughts?
You should go for a fitting with a multibrand fitter, then you'd know what would be the best head shaft combo for you
TS3 for sure. No reason to go with a less adjustable unless it works. I don't think you'll like less control though. A few yards longer maybe but the first time you go OB, you'll regret it.