1971 Dodge Hemi Super Bee vs 1972 Buick GSX Stage 1 | STOCK DRAG RACE
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- 1971 Dodge Charger Super Bee Hemi vs 1972 Buick GSX Stage 1. Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race (PSMCDR). Factory Stock Drag Race.
First car is a 1971 Dodge Charger Super Bee, the other a 1972 Buick GSX. The Super Bee has a 426 hemi, and the GSX has a 455 Stage 1. The 455 stage 1 was rated 270 net horsepower, and the 426 Hemi was rated 425 gross horsepower (around 330 net horsepower). The Dodge Charger Super Bee hemi has a 4-speed manual transmission, and the Buick GSX has a 3-speed automatic TH400. 3.90 rear gears are in the GSX, and the Hemi Super Bee has 4.30. The Super Bee hemi weighs 3979 pounds, with driver. The GSX is 4254 pounds. There were only 9 total 1971 Dodge Charger Super Bee Hemi cars produced with a 4-speed. There were only 22 total 1972 Buick GSX cars produced with the Stage 1 and automatic transmission.
There is an error in the video. The 4-speed Hemi came with 3.54 gears standard.
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The rules for PSMCDR are listed below:
For 1955 to 1979 musclecars built in United States and Canadian assembly plants with a minimum warranty of 12 months and 12,000 miles.
Any car running faster than 11.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Any convertible running faster than 13.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Casting numbers must be correct for the year and horsepower claimed including intake manifold, heads, and exhaust manifolds. Blocks do not have to be "numbers matching," but they must be the correct displacement. Overbores up to .070" are allowed. Stock cranks only.
All Engines - compression ratio 1.5 extra points allowed over advertised.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed.
The valve train must be factory stock for the year, make, and horsepower claimed.
The ignition system must be stock, including the distributor, cap, coil, and wires. Points may be replaced with any electronic conversion that fits under the stock distributor cap.
The carburetor must be correct for the year, make, and horsepower claimed. Jetting and metering changes are permitted. THE CHOKE ASSEMBLY MUST BE IN PLACE AND FUNCTIONAL!
Cast-iron exhaust manifolds are mandatory and must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed. Internal modifications to the exhaust manifolds are NOT allowed. Under no circumstances will headers be allowed, including those cars that came with headers delivered in the trunk. Pipes must be routed as they were originally for the year, make, model, and engine combination. Mufflers must be stock looking in design, that is, oval in shape. No glasspacks or straight pipes allowed unless installed as original equipment. Maximum muffler inlet and outlet size is 2.5 inches. X & H pipes allowed.
The radiator must be correct for the year, make, model, and horsepower claimed. No lightweight, aluminum radiators allowed.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed. Duration at .050" lobe lift must be within 1% of factory specs. Lift at the valve must be within 2% of factory specs. Maximum stall limited to 2200 rpm.
The transmission must be correct for year, make, model and engine of the car. 3-speed manuals may be upgraded to the correct 4-speed if originally available.
The rear axle must be of the same manufacturer as the car. Any gear ratio is allowed.
Reproduction tires or radial tires only.You are allowed to run tires one size over stock.
Factory wheels only.
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Error in the video: the 4-speed hemi would have came with 3.54 gears stock, not 3.23.
And according to my very old Chilton manual, in '71 the hemi was rated at 425 gross / 375 net.
Hopefully 1 day a 72 to 74 cuda shows up.
And I thought all hemi’s came with 4:10s or 4:11 s bc any size smaller would blow out that rear axle from hemi power...
@rockngpa5094 how does that make sense? The lower the ratio the less torque is applied at a time.
Id love to see a 4spd GSX. Love the gold better than white or yellow. Ugh yellow sucks.
Back in 1974 I bought a 1971 Dodge Charger Super Bee. Red with a black vinyl roof, 440 six pack, automatic. With just a set of headers and torque converter upgrade; I was turning 12.9 in the quarter mile. This was with street tires and 3.54 gears inside the Dana 60 housing. I kept that car into the early 1980's. Great memories. Wish I still had it.
Love my Mopars but that Buick is a gentleman's hot rod for sure.
Great to see the owners' of 2 ultra rare cars not afraid to use them as intended!!! Nice races!!!
I see that a lot. Folks with nice cars don't want to run them.
You're right tho, it was awesome to see these guys tun their cars. I might need a cigarette
I'm a Mopar man but I like the Buick both awesome cars!
I new those 71 chargers were heavy but holy cow the buick! Glad the HEMI did us mopar fans proud.
Lol it running against a smog motor nothing to be proud of in that
@@GH-el9ch in stock class you're allowed to raise the compression and basically make it no longer a smog motor
yup and the compression in a 71 hemi is lower than the 70 hemi so who know what both cars were pushing, the hemis win most of the time in the qrt
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Just love the styling of the Super Bee. Just a beautiful car i.m.o. Also, 0-60 in 5.7 seconds, and a 13.73 quarter is amazing considering its weight.
The Hemi advantage, they’ll reel you in on the top end with those big ass cylinder heads and 2x4 carbs. Air+fuel= horsepower!
....and high compression
The debate has finally ended between me and my husband. He's a Mopar guy and I'm a GM chick. (But there's 2 Chevy's and a supercharged LeSabre in our driveway lol.) I told him I think a GSX can outrun a Roadrunner, he said no way lol. Well....I am disappointed, he is laughing. But still, no Mopar in the driveway, so I still win. 😂
You need to listen to your husband. It's Mopar or no car.lol.
I'm surprised your husband hasnt found him a MOPAR gal yet so he can park it in her garage
Lol the Mopar is running against a de-tuned smog motor..it's nothing to be proud of..that said both cars should be proud for running mid 12s which never happened if they were stock both would be running mid 14s
@@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman he's been here for 9 years, he ain't going nowhere. He likes driving the Iroc quite a bit, so he'll be okay.
@@CarefulWithThatAxeEugene For now until it gets old & boring but at least its not a shitstang...
Hemi caught him on the big end - wow! A friend of mine had a 71 Charger (not a Super Bee), great car. But the GSX, 🤤. Great racing - as always - thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Testament to the low compression 455 and what a great motor it is. Hemi should have done a lot better. Pick on someone your own size, “70”455 Stage 1.
That Buick was consistent! The HEMI came on strong all 3 times despite the Buick getting out first
Gotta love this, I'm thinking the hemi should have this one.
Especially with the rear gearing in each car.
It should have been a 70's GSX not a low compression one ..apples to oranges
@@cannarris Agreed, 1970 should have ran.
I had no doubt about the Hemi...the buick did well too...but i like mopars..
Man oh man what rare ones we have today!! That come from behind win of that Dodge was something, I thought he was done for but guess he had a little extra loud pedal in reserve for such an occasion. That mph was legit. Buick is beautiful and definitely no slouch for it's year too. Thanks for the great vid!
Rare and even rarer racing each other... NICE! I have only seen a couple 1971 Super Bees in my life... and I have been around Mopar my entire life.
When I was a kid, there was a Saturday morning cartoon featuring Batman and Robin. The Batmobile in that cartoon was based on a '71 Dodge Charger! LOL! =D
Not surprised the hemi won- knew it would be a good race, but two of my absolute faves of the time and it was just a blast to hear 'em wind up. Both winners.
You can always tune a hemi and make it run good but that Buick was amazing
Both running very well that day 🤓
Buick should've shut the A/C off lol.
good 4 speed operator and nice top end on that Hemi
One of the best cars I owned was 66 Skylark with a buick 340 stroke to 401 engine !!! I chose to keep my 66 riv GS with a 465 wildcat !!! Parked in my garage today...
Dang what a great match up! That hemi just turns on when it needs to, though I like the ass kick Buick just as much.
Definitely a great race!
Those must have been some very good "upgrades" to make the run the 12's seconds 🤔
Obviously far from stock especially the Buick
Glad to see ma mopar for the win. Every video should have a start and low idle drive by. That GSX souns good🤤
Looks like the hemi took out the hemi killer, but with all do respect both cars were absolutely incredible! The Buick got him in that amazing hole shot, but that hemi just kept moving along! Another great race C&Z keep 'em coming!
That hemi and that hemi compression ratio..cr is the difference here
Maybe so, but it really depends on who's driving. In some cases a 1970 GSX will take a win, but in some cases a 1970 Hemi car may win as well.
7 or 8 out of 10 the hemis take then@@CudaRebelsAutoModeling426
I was born & raised a MOPAR guy but its hard to not like the GSX - PEACE LOVE n HIPPYNESS ✌☮
Hats off the Buick, held it's ground despite the disadvantage. Both cars are well tuned, driven & beautiful.
Stage 1 can be a Hemi killer,and Hemi's can kill a stage 1!! It depends on the driver being who's,the rear gears and which Mopar the GSX is racing!! Lighter Mopar's can be harder for a stage 1 than a 71 Super Bee!!....But Buick's are good cars and fast and reasonably priced!!
Very true!
Stage 1 low compression... '72 model...
I like the change to include more subtle jokes in yo ur script. I liked the change you made a few months ago to a more professional script, but having the occasional subtle adult reference is entertaining. Keep up the good work. 👍
That must have been a photo finish at the line to nose out the Buick especially from where you showed both cars at almost the end of the track. Like "Yikes and gee williger's"! Batman...
Welcome back! Missed your witty narrative!👍
Nice! Great race. Beautiful machine's. 😍
It would have been fun to be inside on that 2nd run. In either car. GSX great reaction, Hemi trying to catch up - not looking good until the end and sneaks by at the lights. I wonder how many 'c'mon's were being yelled inside there.
Great video. Tom Cannon’s a die hard 4 speed guy from way back, and it shows!
Definitely a great driver!
Tommy's been racing a long time no doubt about that
Those 4.30s should help out that hemi, and the Buick is heavy as an ice cream truck. Still, it is a 455 stage 1. If it gets off the line it might hold off the Bee. This will be good.
It's not as heavy as an ice cream truck (van) I would know I race one. Mine weighs 5789 lbs. Without driver.
@@dragvan1937 Nice Dreams Dragvan! Classic response to a random comment - love it. At least My 74 455 Buick Grand Sport Century is still lighter than that....she's a whale 4 sure!
its easy to get another 75, 100 hp from a stock engine with a good pro build using the original factory parts that came as standard them cars ran good times and close to what they done new. beautifull racing, thanks. who needs nitro cars these are better. steve in australia.
This is a great video with some unbelievable cars!! Many have said the 70s were the beginning of the downturn of performance, but these cars show otherwise. A 4,200 lb car from 1972 running a 12 sec quarter, faster then a much lighter weight Camaro from a few years earlier is mind-boggling!!
fantastic match-up!! Thought the Buick might take 2. Thanks, C&Z!!
Thanks for watching 🍺
Look at that 3-speed just killing that Buick on the big end.
It rolled out on that mopar, hits 100mph and falls on it's face...
Reminds of an old Z28 Camaro my cousin had, hopped up 350 but somewhere down the line, someone swapped the transmission for turbo400 3-speed
It gave amazing low end torque but at anything over 110 mph that poor 350 was screaming it's guts out begging for a 4th gear 😏
Awesome Race , Thanks C&Z
How about a fair race!!! 70 GSX Stage 1 (500 ftlbs of torque) against the Hemi. Just not a fair race running a 72 low compression Buick against the Hemi.
Exactly a 70' stage 1 against a 70' super bee would have been a true test back when the GSX came in only 2 colors Gemini yellow and Apollo white..both are great cars and a hemi is a hemi your not going. to beat everytime but the 70' stage one's weren't called hemi killers for nothing...just sayin...
@@timbrown5563 have a good friend who is a mechanical engineer and said at the time the Buick 455 was as perfect and horsepower efficient of anything being produced back then. FYI, it is SaturnYellow but no big deal.
@@jackmaple4207 your right idk where Gemini came from...lol
I bought new a 1970 GS Stage 1. Impressive torque.
Who wins this one?
Excellent. Two very interesting cars. Thanks.
Glad you like them!
In my experience a typical scenario.
Back in 69 a friend of mine and I used to take his 440 GTX over to Fremont Cal dragstrip for grudge racing night on Wed.
The Gtx was running 3.9 ge a rs headers and a Holley carb with a custom curve in the distributor.
It had a 727 torque filter trans and 8 inch wrinklewall slicks running 8 psi screwed into the rims.
In this relatively stock configuration the car would consistently run between 13.05 and 13.10 at around 103 mph.
Which was actually more than a full second faster than stock and quite good for a daily driver at the time.
We encountered about 4 hemis that year.
We beat all of them.
The GTX was set up to hook immediately and leave hard.
This invariably resulted in a hole shot on the hemis especially the 4 speed cars.
At 60 feet we generally had better than 3 car lengths on the hemi cars if we cut a quick light.
The hemi by mid track would start to run us down and at the end of the quarter generally we only had a half a car length left. But we won.
The hemis had 2 visible problems.
1.
If the driver brought them off th e line hard the rear tires went up in smoke.
2.The hemis seemed to take a while to get up on their power band.
Once they did though they re a lly ran but didn't have quite enough distance to make up for the initial hole shot
And of course we were somewhat lighter.
I noticed this in street races as well.
I was running a 427 435 hp Corvette and didn't have any problem with a stock hemi on the street. My closest races were against 440 6 pak Mopars.
These cars with 3.9 to 4.10 gears and an a utomatic were very very quick over the entire quarter mile.
Want to attend this event every year, but sadly have never made it so far, I'm just amazed at the owners of such rare cars driving them as they were intended. Not like the many people who either buy them for blue chip investment or treat them as trailer queens, from show to show.! My most respect to all go out to the owners who race these incredible cars.!
Great video as always! 👍 Two incredible cars for sure of that day... That compression on the GSX.. 😳😥
Oh don't worry, I'm sure the GS compression was already bumped back up, it's allowed in Pure Stock class.
No matter which car wins, all of us are winners because we get to see 2 extremely rare and beautiful cars doing what they were intended to do which is to RACE. No matter what, I honestly can’t see any true gear head turning down either of these incredible muscle cars if they were offered one, or even honestly disrespecting either of them as both deserve respect and unlike people, the cars can’t read what name is written on them and they don’t care what name is on them either. All the cars care about is to be driven as intended.
The muscle car era was the greatest time for automobiles that there ever was or will be.
Good race with real 2 superior cars
Great Cars & Great Race. Love Um. Thanks To All.
Question: Did the Hemi come with the dual quad Carter AFB's?
The 1970 auto stage 1 my best 14 flat Norwalk dragwsy ...aka Summit Racing these days
I never get tired of seeing those Stage 1's run. From an engineering standpoint they just don't make sense. I mean they are barely more than a LeSabre engine for crying out loud!!!
Goodday C & Z,
Both muscle cars rarer than rocking horse shit.
That second race you would swear the Buick won it but it didn't.
Where is the actual finishing line is it further down the track from the camera.
All things considered the Buick wasn't too bad considering the gearing & weight.
But as you know I bleed Mopar so I was gunning for it.
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Incredible numbers, both of the :).
I hate that Charger body style but you gotta love a hemi! Even the 71 w/hydraulic lifters is an unbeatable beast! That thing is putting up numbers any 67 race hemi would be proud to make! And that Buick? What can you say? A lot! I had a 72 Skylark, plain old 350. Those things were built so well, when you shut those heavy doors you shut the whole world out. They close so tight your ears will pop. If both the windows were up, in mine you'd have to crack one to shut the door! It ran great with just a 350. I could imagine it with a 455 stage 1!!!
i like both cars...they are both winners..imo
Very true. Both were very nice cars!
Hemi has smallish displacement, I wish they would've increased the cubes back then it would've been absolutely dominate no contest
Would've been nice if Chrysler would've built a 440 HEMI!
I'd be happy with either one of these muscle rods
was a 3.90 rear gear a stock option in 72 for the Super Bee?
Magnifique duel 😍🇨🇵
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Same race with the Buick having the same compression ratio as the HEMI would be dead even.
I live just north of the race track, what's the best month/time to come down and watch/
I enjoy your video's grew up at Detroit Dragway, Sibley and Dix
Hemi is faster no surprise especially with that gearing. I'd take the Buick over it any day though. Much better looking car especially with that gold paint job.
Oh but I love that Mopar look. To each his own but both cars are beautiful
I was surprised that the Buick didn't win, they usually do... because of the torque they have... as well as the hemi... but as a Mopar fan and gearhead... I am glad the Hemi did it... but it was a good race..
Good race for both cars. 😀
Hemi sounded good 🤘
Gonna be a close race,I like that Hemi engine but sticking with the Buick.Oh yea.
Great racing
great racing. beautiful Charger.
A 5.7s 0-60 is more akin to a 14s 1/4 mile. That car was more likely in the low 5s 0-60.
How is the Buick so heavy? Dads car only had to weigh 3670 in NHRA K/SA.
Got to hand it to the Buick. It's running basically a low compression Buick Electra motor with a cam vs a slightly detuned track motor known as the street Hemi and gives it a good fight.
Danny you got to remember too how heavy that Buick is it performed very well for as heavy as those gsx's were
I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure all three of those chargers on the cover of that issue were later found and restored. They were later featured on the cover of mopar magazine about 10 years ago. I believe the red one was a bee and the other ones were r/t. Also I remember reading something about either one or all of them being test cars for dodge as well. Anyone here able to verify or disprove/correct any of this, I have the magazine buried in a box somewhere.
HEMI really wakes up after the 1/8th mile..thats what they do!
My uncle bought a new 1970 Buick GS 455 Dad had a new 1970 Cuda 440 6bbl,yes lots of races,fun times!
Dad still has his Cuda,Uncle kept his until 1992 his divorce ruined him...He owns a 69 Buick GS 400 today,car he really wanted back then..Bought it in 2003 I redid the body,looks sharp today! Uncle is young at 79 Dad is 86!! They still both drive them(yes he drives good but not like back in the day)
Torque flite bullet proof. Four spds where grenades.
the adv to the hemi plus the weight t lower makes it a winner
I had my hi performance R/T charger 440 magnum with pistol grip shift and college kid from my neighborhood had his Buick GSX 455cci and we met a intersection. Bam it’s going to happen ... Bam not only I kick that Buick 455 ass to Hong Kong then my bro slide down the front passenger seat bc he got scared of the speed of my Mopar RT , yes I lmao 😂
Nice dream
GREAT RACE I THINK THE BUICK HAS TO MUCH GEAR WITH A 390-1 PROBABLY DO BETTER WITH A 342-1 OR A 364-1.
The Buick stage 1 was the king of the stock quarter mile drags
Very consistent ? Is that a compliment ? Begining of the End for Muscle Car horsepower , but still Fast as 413's and My "Fuel injected engine sittin under my hood "
Same thing happens when you run a Mopar 440 against a Hemi. 440s are great out of the hole and hang in pretty good but those Hemi's have big lungs.
Hell Yea
Beautiful Buick - bugly Dodge.
Cool video. Thx!:)
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That Buick should be my daily!!!
the Hemi was 490 or 480 ft/lbs of torque...the 455 has to make more than 380 ft/lbs
Hemi listed as Gross Torque...
Gsx listed as Net Torque...
At the flywheel vs the rear wheels. Big difference.
Also, Hemi still had 10.5 to 1 compression
455 had 8.5 to 1
Are all your videos on the same weekend sure seems that way
Nope, some even 3-4 years apart
@@CarsAndZebras ok love watching
I had a 71 charger with a 440 magnum 4 barrel. Old 727 and an 8 3/4 355 sure grip. I miss that pig car 😂not OG as it was a 318 car but still a great car.
The fact the Dodge was a striper no power steering or brakes while the Buick likely had both it did have power windows and locks even a tissue dispenser under the dash.
The Super Bee was never a model of its own. It was an option package on the Dodge Coronet. I am a huge fan of the '68 and '69 Super Bee, but they really ruined the front end on the '70 model. The '68-'70 Charger was a gorgeous car, unfortunately they ruined that too for '71. It's still a decent looking car, but nothing like the '68-'70 model.
The results don't surprise me. Two very heavy cars, but that Hemi had the edge. It's amazing how much those cars weighed, back then when they were not loaded down with government garbage. My 2006 Ford Crown Vic transportation car weighs less than either one of those. And if I wanted to build a race car out of it, I could easily get rid of a few hundred more pounds.
Neither is truly stock
Compression Ratio = win ?knows
I'd prefer a 70 Buick GSX stage 3. Monster motors. But prefer a Hemi over anything
As a life long Mopar fan, I gotta say that that GSX totally won the looks portion of the contest. The ‘71 Chargers were the ugliest fast Mopars since the ‘64 Max Wedge Plymouths
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Good race. But not a fair comparison. 1971 saw the peak of the horsepower era. 1972 saw the beginning of the epa era dramatically decreasing horsepower. This race is about the same as racing a stock mustang vs a stock pinto.
Actually, 1970 was the peak H.P.
Hemi, LS6, Stage 1, etc...
Never really cared for the ‘71/72 Charger body style. Too big in a the rear sides and C pillar. ‘73/74 were better looking because the C pillar was bright down further into the rear side.
The 4.7V8 in my ‘08 Ram makes 310/335…more HP than the Buick. Times change…
Horsepower does the talking at the big end.
I would of liked that hemi to line up against the 1970 stage 1. The real hemi eater…
You are allowed a point in a half compression increase in this class. I'm sure the Buick took advantage of the mods allowed in this class. Both of these cars are making at least 500hp. And that's not gross either. It takes serious power to run mid twelve. Especially on street tires and through the mufflers. Imagine these monster motors with modern fuel injection and eight speed transmissions.