1970 Chevelle SS396 vs 1969 Dart Swinger 340 - PURE STOCK DRAG RACE + history/specs

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  • Опубликовано: 28 дек 2024

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  • @CarsAndZebras
    @CarsAndZebras  5 лет назад +79

    Here’s another fantastic match-up for you guys! Some of my favorites. I think some people forget about the SS396 in the ‘70 Chevelle, but they shouldn’t! And I think by now we all know the Dart stuffed with a 340 is a total dark horse. Hope you enjoy the video!

    • @79tazman
      @79tazman 5 лет назад +8

      If that Dart had the Manual Trans in it I'm sure it would be a bit quicker the 727 automatic eats 15 to 20 HP to turn that converter

    • @scottking2451
      @scottking2451 5 лет назад +5

      Yes sir the 340 dart has shut a many big blocks down specially if it was a 4 speed I love the mopars and Chevy but for not so much

    • @1967davethewave
      @1967davethewave 5 лет назад +6

      Hey, I have a question. Do the cars have to be show quality. I have an unrestored '68 Charger, just a 383/4bbl but it's totally stock. I'd love to race in a Pure Stock event but the car has a lot of patina (car guy for rust and bad paint). Just wondering.

    • @shanerhodes925
      @shanerhodes925 5 лет назад +3

      Now had they built more of these swingers with the 440 camando then they would have gad a car that was a hand full by any stretch.

    • @CarsAndZebras
      @CarsAndZebras  5 лет назад +3

      @@1967davethewave - No, they don't have to be show quality. Most of these cars actually aren't, because they get driven/raced regularly. This year there was a barn-find 442 that looked totally ratty, but ran like a mother.

  • @adamtrombino106
    @adamtrombino106 5 лет назад +48

    The lil 340 was Chrysler's answer to the Ford and Chevy SB mills, put into the lightest cars they could build. With the 4 speed and 3.91 gear, they could run high 13s in the quarter. Slap on a set of 9 inch slicks, and you'd beat that. Get it tuned by dealers such as Mr. Norm's, and that 340 turned into a absolute screamer. IMO the 70 Chevelle was 1 of the best looking cars GM ever built, and typical of the era, you could option it out as far as your wallet let you. That is my favorite thing about this period of American car history. Order you car EXACTLY how you wanted it. Tough to do that now days.

  • @josephschepis7258
    @josephschepis7258 4 года назад +23

    I fondly remember my black on black 1970 dart, 340 with 4 speed manual. Fun, fast, and under-rated.

  • @independent2368
    @independent2368 5 лет назад +149

    Those little 340s punched way above their expectations, and are great motors

    • @flyonbyya
      @flyonbyya 4 года назад +6

      AZ Independent
      Punched way above that ‘low weight’...for sure!

    • @Silverick2
      @Silverick2 4 года назад +19

      In 1972, my girlfriend's dad bought her a 'cute' car. She was older than me and I didn't get my license until a few months after her...
      She liked the color purple, and he bought her a 'cute' purple '70 Duster 340 without any real idea of what he had purchased...
      She putted us around for about 6 months...
      I finally got my license and she let me drive! WOW!!!!!! 😁
      I have been a Mopar guy ever since!! 😉❤

    • @markdemell3717
      @markdemell3717 4 года назад +1

      Absolutely ! Is that the same exact engine that came in the Duster and Demon?

    • @scottyrousay1608
      @scottyrousay1608 3 года назад

      @@markdemell3717 pretty well

    • @danw6014
      @danw6014 Год назад +2

      @@markdemell3717 72 was the beginning of smog engines so the compression went down.

  • @johnallen869
    @johnallen869 5 лет назад +45

    My first car was a Dart Swinger 340 4 speed. I added headers to give it a little more HP and a cool sound. I loved that car, and it was as fast as I wanted to go!

  • @michaelnelson1560
    @michaelnelson1560 4 года назад +13

    Wow this video takes me back to my US Army days, stationed at Ft Hood Texas. Had a blue 69 dart 340 with white stripes around the back. It had crane fireball cam, 4:10 gears, hooker headers, aluminum intake with 650 holley carb. It ran 13:50's all day long and beat many big block Chevelle's and Nova's. Many times I wished I had that car back today....

  • @kmafdlmagotg8328
    @kmafdlmagotg8328 4 года назад +14

    Sold my 340 4 speed Swinger several years ago. Had some 396 Chevelle owners tell me the Dart would edge them out. Those Chevelles were awesome cars also, as were all the cars of that era.

  • @dustylover100
    @dustylover100 4 года назад +18

    That was one close race, with the Chevy only winning at the end! That Dart can more than hold its own.

  • @Biglug8888
    @Biglug8888 5 лет назад +73

    Wow what an awesome video! I owned both a 69 340/ 4spd Dart Swinger and a 70 SS 396/ 4spd! Both were fast, but the Dart surprised a lot of people, very quick.

  • @gordo4044
    @gordo4044 5 лет назад +23

    Awesome video, my dad bought a brand new 69 swinger 340 auto, he would beat up all the big blocks. I bought one a few years back, they are super fun cars to have and drive!

    • @CarsAndZebras
      @CarsAndZebras  5 лет назад +1

      Thanks for sharing! I'd like to find a nice Dart 340 for Demon 340

    • @gordo4044
      @gordo4044 5 лет назад

      Cars And Zebras
      Tough to find the real good ones, real matching # and real good restoration, VERY hard

  • @williamheden6794
    @williamheden6794 2 года назад +5

    I love the way you present these match ups. I remember when these cars were new. Couldn't wait to get the magazines and check out the reviews. Thank you for taking me back in time. From Ohio.

  • @Dartman6
    @Dartman6 5 лет назад +8

    I have the F8 green version of the Swinger 340 in my garage with a 4-speed and 3.23 Sure Grip. I've had it 28 years and it ain't goin' nowhere!
    A friend who used to run big block Chevs back in the day said the cars that gave him the most trouble were Mopar 340s!
    I love it!

    • @gordo4044
      @gordo4044 5 лет назад +1

      Todd Boyer
      Is it #s match?
      I had an F8 a few years ago

    • @Dartman6
      @Dartman6 5 лет назад

      It is! Numbers engine, trans and rear.

    • @gordo4044
      @gordo4044 5 лет назад

      Todd Boyer
      Do you drive it Todd?
      Would love to see it somehow

    • @tarasbulba3190
      @tarasbulba3190 5 лет назад

      Todd Boyer If your buddy was running BB Chevy, Then he had a lot of Mopar problems!😂👍

  • @burningblue1254
    @burningblue1254 5 лет назад +3

    Great race. I had a 340 Swinger and it had a radio.... and not much else but it was well prepped. Sent many a big block home stoplight to stoplight. When you have a bigger car and not much tire, a light small block is the way to go. The Chevelle 396 is no slouch though.

  • @Chris-jm4zk
    @Chris-jm4zk 5 лет назад +56

    I’ve seen so many 340’s absolutely chew up the competition through the years.

    • @CarsAndZebras
      @CarsAndZebras  5 лет назад +3

      It happens. I have plenty more videos of 340s doing the same thing.

    • @decay21450
      @decay21450 5 лет назад +3

      I managed to get my studious cousin to race his '70 340 4-spd. Swinger against my '70 350/350 4spd. 3.55 rear Corvette. It may well have been his first race, but the cars were side by side to the end which was over 100 mph.

    • @Chris-jm4zk
      @Chris-jm4zk 5 лет назад +7

      Yup running stock the mopar smokes the ford, my point exactly.

    • @amc401nash6
      @amc401nash6 5 лет назад +2

      The stock 351 Windsor had 1.84 intake valves compared to the 340's 2 inch intake size. At the time of the Windsor's introduction it seemed like Ford failed to realize Chevy and Mopar's intentions of increasing the displacement of their small blocks. The stock Windsor heads were great for a sub 300 ci street engine like the 289 but inadequate for larger displacements. By the time of the 351W's introduction they were working on the 351C so I guess thay said "what the hell !"

    • @bryanmurphy178
      @bryanmurphy178 4 года назад +5

      @@bigboreracing356 Says the guy who probably got blown away by 340's, stupid statement

  • @1royalpalm
    @1royalpalm 5 лет назад +4

    In 1969 I read all the car magazine reviews on best bang for the buck, and I bought a new 1969 Dodge Dart Swinger 340. I paid just over $2,600 for it. But being in the US Navy E-4 pay at the time, that was all I could afford. I would have much rather had a GTS with bucket seats, console, etc. But I had to settle for plain bench seat, no floor carpeting (just rubberize floor covering), no power steering or brakes, etc. Just an AM radio and what ever was standard (have to check my original window sticker and bill of sale, which I still have). The car did have decent performance, except the original Carter AVS 4-barrel was running too lean. I pulled it and installed a Holley 780 and also a Weiand aluminum intake manifold. I had no problem beating stock 383 Mopars (off all models) on the street. I remember one night I beat a guy in his 383 Road Runner, and after the race he wanted to see under my hood because he could hardly believe I beat him. I told him my 340 was underated at 275 HP, that I actually had a superior horsepower to weight ratio than his RR, and that the AHRA had refactored my engine at 325 HP based on 10.5 compression, 202 intakes, cam specs, carb size, etc.

  • @MrSteve280
    @MrSteve280 4 года назад +2

    I has a '69 and a '70 Chevelle SS 396. Liked the '69. Not so much the '70. I always liked the 340 engine, particularly in the Darts, Dusters and Cudas with Torqueflites. This race is probably representative to the real world on the street back then. But hardly anyone left their car entirely stock. Fun times back then.

  • @michaelstrangefranke7002
    @michaelstrangefranke7002 5 лет назад +12

    First off I'm a Mopar man all the way and you might say a lucky one at that back in the late 70s early 80s I bought my very first car which was a 68 GTS Dart with a 383 4 speed which I find out was a rare combination most 383 GTS came with a automatic there were limited 4-speed combinations with that being said my next car I bought what's a 69 GTS Dart 340 4 speed which I had build the motor up and it was crazy fast and today I am kicking myself in the ass for selling those cars if I only knew then what I know now

  • @socalfun64
    @socalfun64 5 лет назад +10

    My first time watching your videos. It won’t be the last! Awesome! I Love the way you cover the cars before showing the race! So cool. I had a 68 Chevelle Malibu with a 327 strokes to 350 when I got out of the Navy in 1985. I got to drive my Buddies 69 Chevelle with a swapped Pontiac 428 while he was rebuilding my 68. What great times! I’m 55 now and own a 2016 Dodge Challenger Hellcat! I’ve gone to the dark side and love it. These past few years have been the late 60’s all over again and it’s only getting better! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🤘🏻🤘🏻. Keep the Videos coming! I’m gonna go watch your old ones right now!

    • @CarsAndZebras
      @CarsAndZebras  5 лет назад +1

      I appreciate that! I’ve got an interesting new one coming next week so stay tuned.

    • @rickdaystar477
      @rickdaystar477 5 лет назад +2

      @@CarsAndZebras I just found your channel today. Awesome review. I miss the 60's early 70's. Seeing cars and comments I'm interested in. Young motorheads need to see these muscle car era videos.

    • @Colt-tf6xf
      @Colt-tf6xf 5 лет назад +2

      The Hellcat is the top banana now, store bought more power than a nascar cookie cutter, toodaloo buckaroo against Ford or GM, welcome to the darkside pilgrim.

  • @shadvan9494
    @shadvan9494 4 года назад +2

    The L78 was discontinued as an option at the end of October that year when the LS5 and LS6 start production. My uncle had a silver 1970 chevelle ss 396, L78 4 speed. I loved that car. He had it for sale for a long time back in the 80s. I was going to buy it and was saving my money for my first job in high school. He sold it about a week before I had the money. I still with I had that car

  • @johntempest267
    @johntempest267 5 лет назад +6

    Great video. As a 15 year old (in 1983) I rode shotgun in a 72 Demon, & we surprised a 69ss Chevelle in a street race.
    Just like in video, we jumped out front, race was over just before he caught up.

    • @livewire2759
      @livewire2759 5 лет назад +4

      Small blocks of any make have a great advantage with stock tires. Big blocks make a lot more power but it can't be used off the line without burning the tires off.

    • @johntempest267
      @johntempest267 5 лет назад +1

      @@livewire2759
      We had a little spin/hop in first gear, a chirp in 2nd, then gone.
      The 1000lbs difference between the cars played a part as well.
      In a full quarter mile, he'd have got us.

    • @amc401nash6
      @amc401nash6 5 лет назад

      You did mean 500 lbs weight difference right?

    • @johntempest267
      @johntempest267 5 лет назад

      @@amc401nash6
      We'll they did have two Puerto Rican chicks in the back. There's 250.......
      And I don't believe it,
      500 lbs? The Chevelle was a Demon and a half as big!

    • @amc401nash6
      @amc401nash6 5 лет назад

      @@johntempest267 I have a book with the shipping weight of every US built car between 1946 to 1975. A 70 big block Chevelle would be around 3600 lbs and the 72 Demon would be around 3100 lbs.

  • @jeremythompson9122
    @jeremythompson9122 5 лет назад +46

    I love those 340 Darts, Dusters, and Demons. They were one of the cheapest muscle cars you could buy and were fully capable of embarrassing many of the more expensive big block cars of that era. I had a 73 Duster 340-4 speed. Loved that car

    • @CarsAndZebras
      @CarsAndZebras  5 лет назад +9

      They're great cars! The 340 is a monster

    • @79tazman
      @79tazman 5 лет назад +3

      The 1969 M code Dart GTS is the best Dart of 1969

    • @nathanadrian7797
      @nathanadrian7797 5 лет назад +5

      Mine was a 74 360 4spd, had a lot of fun back in the day!

    • @kevinpatrick8788
      @kevinpatrick8788 5 лет назад +6

      i have a 71 duster 340 . original h code . it was an original 4 speed car but had a 727 torqueflite reverse manual valve body when i bought it . in mybopinion the 340 is the best small block produced back in the late 60s to early 70s . the advertised hp was purposely underrated at 275 hp but in really was around 325 hp.

    • @jeremythompson9122
      @jeremythompson9122 5 лет назад +9

      @@CarsAndZebras the 340 is definitely a giant killer

  • @texasblueboy1508
    @texasblueboy1508 3 года назад +1

    Mine Dart was a swinger 340 Red, black vinyl top, black interior with a bench seat. Loved it.

  • @kenstubbert5483
    @kenstubbert5483 4 года назад +4

    Your commentary is both hilarious and nostalgic Lee entertaining thank you

  • @peterpiper_203
    @peterpiper_203 5 лет назад +12

    My buddy’s gf in the 80’s had one but a convertible
    Light yellow black top
    340 Dodge Dart Swinger
    I tell my son all the cars we had in school
    Who had a GTO
    Who had chevelle
    Who had what
    He is so envious of what we all had
    Back in da day

    • @CarsAndZebras
      @CarsAndZebras  5 лет назад +4

      And kids these days will get to brag about their..... Chevrolet cobalt??? 😆

  • @andrewdomenitzdmd
    @andrewdomenitzdmd 5 лет назад +20

    I graduated high school in 1970 and rode around in almost all these cars.

    • @CarsAndZebras
      @CarsAndZebras  5 лет назад +3

      Lucky

    • @steverussell6642
      @steverussell6642 5 лет назад

      Nice

    • @martinblack7086
      @martinblack7086 3 года назад +2

      l Graduated in '74 but there were still plenty of muscle cars around. Great memories!

    • @alanalonso6082
      @alanalonso6082 7 месяцев назад +2

      I graduated in 2004 and ride in these cars. I own a 67 Dart, and a 70 Chevelle. And a few other old ones

  • @89purpleblueMR2
    @89purpleblueMR2 5 лет назад +51

    Feels good to own a baby Roadrunner.

    • @makaylafults6450
      @makaylafults6450 5 лет назад +2

      My dad has always called the dart a baby roadrunner. Guess he's not the only one lol

    • @chrismc.4437
      @chrismc.4437 4 года назад

      Pretty stupid comment actually.

    • @Moparmaga-1
      @Moparmaga-1 4 года назад +2

      A valiant would be a baby rr
      A dart would be a baby coronet
      But 340 darts would eat most b-body for lunch

  • @Rogueginger69
    @Rogueginger69 5 лет назад +62

    Those 340s always amaze me... I would like to take my barracuda to the strip one day. Nice vid

    • @CarsAndZebras
      @CarsAndZebras  5 лет назад +9

      They’re quick and they can take some serious abuse! You should definitely take your car to the strip! Is your Barracuda a 340?

    • @Rogueginger69
      @Rogueginger69 5 лет назад +8

      @@CarsAndZebras Yeah it has the numbers matching 340 and a four speed. I would hate to hurt the car. But at the same time she deserves to run down the strip full throttle!

    • @CarsAndZebras
      @CarsAndZebras  5 лет назад +13

      It definitely does! It’s pretty tough to blow up a 340, they are very overbuilt for their horsepower/torque.

    • @Rogueginger69
      @Rogueginger69 5 лет назад +12

      @@CarsAndZebras Thats what i keep hearing. My dad told me the only 340s he blew up were in circle track racing in a turn when all the oil was on one side of the engine. He bought oil pans designed for circle track racing and he didnt have that problem anymore.

    • @nathanforrest7606
      @nathanforrest7606 5 лет назад +1

      Do these have Fuel injection

  • @ZeroBoostBuick
    @ZeroBoostBuick Год назад +1

    Mopar's 340 and Buick's 400 were so underrated. Especially the Buick 400 Stage 1... Everyone is into the 455's and 454's and 426 and 440's. But there are a handful of hidden gems in the muscle car arena.

  • @bw3506
    @bw3506 5 лет назад +23

    When I was a kid a guy in town had one of these Chevys. I thought I had to have a SS396 cause that was the fastest car in the world. Needless to say by the time I was in Jr. High I knew better.but I still love the look of them today. The little 340s will bite you if you aren't careful. Looks like a pretty close matchup here.

  • @scottjohnston8044
    @scottjohnston8044 3 года назад

    My best friend in high school had the dart. Our sophomore year we pulled the 340, carried it into his parents basement and spent all winter rebuilding it. I can't remember where he got it but he found a manifold and 3 deuces. It was hard to get the carbs turned but we did. It was a 10 second car, when everything was just right and I held my breath. I never could beat him. I had a 69 z28. It was very low miles and I just didn't want to mess up the way it came from the factory. I was happy later, when I sold it. My little brother was his comp. He had a 67 mustang fastback. He bought it when he was 14. Rented a garage and was there every day working on it for 2 years. That 289 was so quick. He had a manual but had never learned how to drive one, so he and I took it to a parking lot and then we were all set to get back and protect them from being able to really act like you have to have a conversation with 55

  • @jerrycraig6522
    @jerrycraig6522 4 года назад +3

    That chevelle was on a poster on my bedroom wall, I love it!!!

  • @that70sschwinn
    @that70sschwinn 5 лет назад +53

    Those lightweight Mopars were low maintenance and sneaky quick 👍🚘

    • @zubitron5
      @zubitron5 5 лет назад +4

      Yes, I had one in a Duster.

  • @ericlockard6376
    @ericlockard6376 2 года назад +1

    My dad's '69 DART GTS was destroying all of the big block cars back in the day. That 340 was pushing way over its weight class.

  • @jerimahjohnson8698
    @jerimahjohnson8698 5 лет назад +22

    Sitting in my garage right now is a 69 1/2 six pack superbee a12 car in hemi orange

    • @apollomorris9920
      @apollomorris9920 4 года назад

      You said Hemi!

    • @arthilliker3721
      @arthilliker3721 3 года назад

      You LUCKY DAWG !! My DREAM car !! I had an Orange '70. Most reliable car I ever owned, and I drove it like it stole it every day.

    • @martinblack7086
      @martinblack7086 3 года назад

      Is it restored?
      Fantastic car!!

  • @jeffpeeples5855
    @jeffpeeples5855 4 года назад +1

    I've had one of these since 1981. numbers matching red and black cowl induction L34 400 turbo. I'm 3rd owner. bought the car for 1400 dollars which was my whole lives savings at 19 yrs old. smoked a lot of cars in my day with that car and daily drove it for years. can go turn key on it rite now and drive it anywhere. and still respectable for a 50 yr old car

  • @C.S.Sensei
    @C.S.Sensei 5 лет назад +16

    70' Chevelle SS 396 (402) forest green white stripes and that awesome cowl induction opening up saying "give me more air" is my car.
    The coolest car ever made.

  • @zacariasblanco9738
    @zacariasblanco9738 4 года назад +2

    The jack in the crack commercial finally made sense lol sometimes I watch your videos just to watch what movie reference you come up next but jack in the crack swinger is an instant classic

  • @texasblueboy1508
    @texasblueboy1508 4 года назад +2

    My 69 swinger 340 had a 727 Torqueflight transmission and it had hemi torque converter. Bench seat Automatic on the column. Great car. Red with a black vinyl top, black interior.

  • @fhbkx
    @fhbkx 5 лет назад +1

    I believe it was Dick Maxwell who stated that the factory would take random 340's off the line and dyno them to make sure everything was up to snuff. He said that he never saw one put out less than 325 hp.

  • @motorman857
    @motorman857 5 лет назад +8

    The 70 Chevelle SS was thee, muscle car. Beautiful, fast and looked great in any color...except that pale yellow of course.

    • @tarasbulba3190
      @tarasbulba3190 5 лет назад +1

      Ride Like a Pro Jerry Palladino 🤢

  • @eternalme6077
    @eternalme6077 4 года назад +2

    Don't know to much about the mechanics of engines but I'm sure as hell learn alot about them now that I've found this Channel, since
    I was a kid I've always Loved these
    Cars, love the lines, those curves and those Malevolent Sinister Mean as Hell Stances they Possess! Well now I'm gonna learn
    the Power behind Presence............
    🎸💚

  • @Poohdaddymagic
    @Poohdaddymagic 4 года назад +6

    I'm a Ford man but that era Chevelle was the most beautiful car Chevy ever built...

    • @jimdriver9836
      @jimdriver9836 4 года назад +1

      67 Chevelle was the best looking

    • @packingten
      @packingten 4 года назад

      I Think he was admiring the Swingers tailights

  • @rms5654
    @rms5654 Год назад +1

    My 70 Dart Swinger 340 busted a 12.98s thru the quarter mile in Fayetteville NC to win the bracket finals. I also buried the speedometer, 150 plus coming down the mountain from Asheville headed home to Knoxville one morning around 1 AM. That was a bad ass car.

  • @dalegibson8119
    @dalegibson8119 4 года назад +2

    LOVED my '67 GTS 383... yes, '67.......no rom for p/s parallel parking became my forte....factory headers to squeeze it in... what a beast.

  • @ssgemeritus2115
    @ssgemeritus2115 5 лет назад +9

    Damn, I owed a Dart GTS 340 with an 850 dual holly carb and other goodies. Wish I had it today. It was a beast and damn, I had some great times burning rubber.

    • @CarsAndZebras
      @CarsAndZebras  5 лет назад +2

      I’ve got another video coming of a different GTS 340 coming in the future. It makes me want to buy one... but wow, the prices are kind of crazy for those cars.

    • @ssgemeritus2115
      @ssgemeritus2115 5 лет назад +1

      @@CarsAndZebras I'll be looking forward to it. Sometimes I wish I still had it and wonder what my $1000 investment would be worth now 😀

  • @SqeakyToy
    @SqeakyToy 4 года назад +4

    In 1978 I got my first car: a 1970 Chevelle SS 396, 350 hp automatic. It cost $700 used. My parents had no idea. Always a thrill to fire up that engine.

  • @richardbrucemusic
    @richardbrucemusic 4 года назад +3

    Dodge put bad-ass motors in their small ("A") body Dart long before 1968. Starting in 1965, they dropped a 273 ci motor in the Dart GT, along with a 4-speed. I had the '66 version, in canary yellow, with a 4-speed center console, black half-vinyl roof, and a 3.23(?) Positraction rear end. Unfortunately, when that motor was rebuilt and bored 0.030 over, the 6 cylinder drive train just won't hold up. After burning up the stock clutch, breaking a u-joint, then stripping the puny little 7.25" ring gear in the rear, I swapped in an 8.75"/3.55 ratio Posi from a '68 'Cuda. That thing would chew up and spit out 289 Mustangs and even 307 Chevys! Funny thing is, I don't remember what became of it :-( Ahhh, the 70s - if you remember them, you weren't there!

  • @MBailey1977
    @MBailey1977 5 лет назад +15

    Those 340s are fast! My dad talks all the time about owning a 73 roadrunner with a 340.

    • @CarsAndZebras
      @CarsAndZebras  5 лет назад +1

      They were a great buy back then!

    • @guynese977
      @guynese977 5 лет назад +1

      the last fast 340s were in 71 kid.

    • @MBailey1977
      @MBailey1977 5 лет назад

      @@guynese977 nope last was 73 then they went 360.

    • @guynese977
      @guynese977 5 лет назад +2

      @@MBailey1977 im talkin about performance...71 was the last yr. for10.5 compression. yor old mans was likr 8.0

    • @Jimbo-in-Thailand
      @Jimbo-in-Thailand 4 года назад +3

      @@guynese977 Well, not exactly "last fast". Beginning in 1972 the 340 was indeed detuned slightly to meet new emissions requirements, but it was still a lightweight little rocket! My then new '72 340 Duster 3-speed manual was still potent and quite fast for random street drags.
      Its weakness was it didn't have a 'positraction' limited slip rear end so I always opted for a rolling start where possible to keep wheel spin down. I was a young USAF grunt in the Vietnam war and had planned to swap out the rear end for a limited-slip and a 4-speed tranny, but my small budget and overseas military deployment got in the way. Didn't matter, the little 340 Duster was still a screamer and so much fun to drive.😁👍

  • @tomnekuda3818
    @tomnekuda3818 5 лет назад +18

    In '70 I was torn between two cars.....the Chevelle and the Roadrunner. I went with the 440 RR.....should have robbed a bank and bought them both!

    • @billk9628
      @billk9628 5 лет назад

      You have real parenting issues! :-)

    • @tomnekuda3818
      @tomnekuda3818 5 лет назад

      @@billk9628 Unfortunately I sold the RR and got a 72 Nova.....it was a pile. Musta been made on a Friday or Monday....was pumping oil at 30,000.....of course, I could break a crowbar in a sandbox stark naked and lose one piece.....

  • @pablorivera1259
    @pablorivera1259 5 лет назад +4

    THESE ARE REAL GOOD CARS TO HAVE FUN IN DRAG RACING , MOST OF THEM CAN USE AROUND IN THE STREET FOR CRUSING AND IN THE TRACK , A CAR THAT CAN RUN FOR EXAMPLE 5 SECONDS IN A 1/4 MILE IS FOR RUN AND SPEND A LOT OF MONEY AND CANT USE FOR ANITHING MORE

  • @allenpoe7372
    @allenpoe7372 4 года назад +1

    I had the 1970 4 door Chevelle, with the 307. Like so many others the soft metal cam was worn almost round on 5 cylinders lol. So I put a slightly better profile cam in. I totaled it about a month or so later on my mothers birthday!

  • @MaliciousSRT
    @MaliciousSRT 5 лет назад +24

    340 also had 18 degree cylinder heads from the factory, they were little monsters.

    • @craiggreene9159
      @craiggreene9159 5 лет назад +5

      & 18° Cylinder Heads are the Normal in Big power Circle Track Racing & that 340 had them in Iron Form back in the day !!!

  • @ralphreich1340
    @ralphreich1340 5 лет назад +2

    I had a 73 Nova was out one night a 340 dart pulled up and beat me by a mile and a half love that 340 Mopar one of the best engines ever made .

  • @steve19745
    @steve19745 5 лет назад +8

    had the same 396 in my nova the nova was a whole lot faster ! my 70 chevelle was an LS 6 454 and yes there were more 454s than 396 chevelles in 70. im older now and looking at building a swinger I love the car all together its a cool package and swingers are still affordable !

    • @msh6865
      @msh6865 5 лет назад +1

      There were NOT more SS454's built than SS396's. It actually wasn't even close. A/C wasn't available on a LS6 Chevelle (it was on the 360hp LS5 however). Plus, the 396 was cheaper. So, cheaper plus A/C equals many more sales.

    • @thehumancrumb.668
      @thehumancrumb.668 4 года назад

      Lies the 454 ss only a few were made ......the 396ss were more common

  • @WIDESIDE72
    @WIDESIDE72 5 лет назад +2

    The L78 396 was only available in the first part of 70 chevelle production. It was dropped when the ls6 454 was introduced. The l78 and ls6 were not available at the same time. Back in the 80’s, one of My older brothers bought a wrecked factory black/ black 70 L78 4 spd chevelle ss. The engine was gone but we swapped the ss hood (non cowl induction) , dash disc brakes and 12 bolt 3:31 posi rear into my le mans blue 71 el camino. No ss emblems. and i later built a 355 for it. I sold it in the 90’s way too cheap. Wish i still had it.

  • @paulcondie2520
    @paulcondie2520 5 лет назад +1

    My ex father-in-law still has the 1970 ss ls6 chevelle he bought brand new in high school unmolested all original, with right around 9000 miles! In fact it looks just like the black one in the vid with white stripes n black vinyl roof!

  • @Ballenxj
    @Ballenxj 4 года назад +2

    Here's a case where being lighter paid off. Close, but good race. Thumb up.

  • @onfin3al6
    @onfin3al6 5 лет назад +10

    I had a 68 Barracuda 340 Fornula S . On the track and stock it would run 14 flat ,locker 8 1/4 with a 727 auto trans . I made some changes . Best run was 9.90 around 140 something .

    • @CharlieBrown-pb9xn
      @CharlieBrown-pb9xn 5 лет назад

      What was everything done to get 9.9

    • @jimhuskey3343
      @jimhuskey3343 5 лет назад +1

      Some changes LOL

    • @johnrunion7258
      @johnrunion7258 5 лет назад

      Finally,reality.That's a ballpark time for these stock 340's.I did see a few in the 13.60 range with the usual mods back then.

    • @Lightningbug122
      @Lightningbug122 4 года назад +1

      What is locker 81/4 supposed to mean?

    • @johnrunion7258
      @johnrunion7258 4 года назад +1

      @@Lightningbug122 8 1/4 " differential with 727 Torqueflight tranny.Not familiar with that size tho.most Mopar muscle cars had the strong Dana diffs. and axles.I know of the 7 1/4" and an 8 3/4" unit,however.

  • @davidcampbell1306
    @davidcampbell1306 3 года назад +1

    Need to do 68/69 Lemans with the 350HO. Mine came off the showroom floor with the 360HO rated at 330hp, Muncie M21 and a 4.11 rear gear and ran 14.32 @ 96mph in the quarter. Very under rated car.

    • @SchoolforHackers
      @SchoolforHackers 2 года назад

      Yeah, overshadowed by the GTO. Love those Pontiacs.

  • @germanboy5392
    @germanboy5392 4 года назад +3

    Those Swingers are what every old lady bought in the early 70s for grocery shopping......most had the slant 6...

  • @timothymowrey572
    @timothymowrey572 4 года назад +2

    Im a mopar guy and i have to agree, although the 66 thru 69 chevelles were nice too

  • @gordthor5351
    @gordthor5351 4 года назад +5

    No wonder I beat so many 396s in street drags with my 340 dart. They get out of the hole quick and street drags often don't allow enough time for the big block to catch the 340.

  • @matiacu3047
    @matiacu3047 3 года назад +1

    Ok lets think something You re telling me that You could Buy a car for under 25K with that killing look and that amount of hp, bro what a time to be alive

  • @arthurdavis3971
    @arthurdavis3971 3 месяца назад

    Great video I'm a chevy guy through and through but after your history lesson on the swinger make's want to get down tonight and get me a swinger yeah baby. Awesome car's. 👍👊

  • @carsbyjeff
    @carsbyjeff 5 лет назад +13

    GOT BEAT ON THE STREET BY A 340 SWINGER, 4 SPEED. I WAS SHOCKED!! WENT OUT AND BOUGHT A YEAR OLD 69 GTO RAM AIR IV. TOOK CARE OF THAT PROBLEM!

    • @CarsAndZebras
      @CarsAndZebras  5 лет назад

      What were you driving before the GTO?

    • @carsbyjeff
      @carsbyjeff 5 лет назад +1

      THE CAR i GOT BEAT IN WAS A STOCK ;65 BUICK GRAN SPORT, 4 SPEED. GREAT CAR.

    • @mr.bluzhound2875
      @mr.bluzhound2875 4 года назад +2

      @@carsbyjeff my dad had a new ‘66 442, 4bbl, 4 APD 3.55’s. A guy he worked with had a ‘65 Riv and thought it was all that. It wasn’t a fair fight. They went from a dead stop, from a rolling start and from 20mph/go. The Nailheads were very good but it was heavier, didn’t have the gearing or transmission. The 66-67 442’s were very strong.

    • @Moparmaga-1
      @Moparmaga-1 4 года назад

      Was that an extra 115 cubes

  • @69newportking
    @69newportking 5 лет назад +12

    Half of there races ive watched it basically comes down too who is the better driver

    • @wymple09
      @wymple09 4 года назад

      And the far lane almost always has a better get-go.

    • @waltonwarrior7428
      @waltonwarrior7428 4 года назад +1

      @@wymple09 Exactly right.

    • @waltonwarrior7428
      @waltonwarrior7428 4 года назад +2

      Concur. I question how many drivers really know how to race w/ a 4 speed today.

  • @lovethesmellofracefuelinth7374
    @lovethesmellofracefuelinth7374 3 года назад +2

    Love those little darts and are so badass when equipped with big block or even 340 6 pk. Just about bought a 71 last year with built 413 wedge and was a badass lil machine, but unfortunately the deal fell through and didn't work out
    😩

  • @MrBluzhound
    @MrBluzhound 6 месяцев назад

    Good, honest cars here. Good driving too, really consistent times and representative of what you might find at a street light, circa 1970.
    Thanks

  • @johnkrout8131
    @johnkrout8131 5 лет назад +6

    Iam a mopar fan and i will be the first to tell you the 340 put many big blocks of all makes and models on the trailer, even the big bad Hemi cars, probley the best motor ever built

  • @hippielewis4768
    @hippielewis4768 5 лет назад +5

    1970 Chevelle my second car

  • @Rampant_Colt
    @Rampant_Colt 5 лет назад +14

    those Dart/Swingers were quick, however, the interior was rather utilitarian, and they were prone to rust. Conversely, they were easy to work on and maintain

  • @mr.bluzhound2875
    @mr.bluzhound2875 4 года назад +1

    Great street car times! Either wins a lot of light 2 light races. Well done!

  • @mattskustomkreations
    @mattskustomkreations 6 месяцев назад

    So cool to see these gorgeous factory muscle cars being driven hard.

  • @BobbyOfEarth
    @BobbyOfEarth 3 года назад +1

    Wake up call... On the Monday morning following the 1969 Daytona 500, GM management held a board meeting and discontinued the 396. Reason: The 1969 SS Chevelle's that entered the 500 experienced oil pressure issues that led to major crank/rod damage or failures, the first car stopping on lap 19. Top finishing SS 396 was a 1967 model, 13 laps down. Serious egg on the face of GM Corp.!
    GM's 402 replacement engine wasn't about boring the 396 .030 over, it was about GM total revamped of the 396 oiling system to protect the rotating assy..
    Also, in 1968 GM and Ford were fighting for 2nd place in the NHRA Factory production class, a battle won by Fords 428 Cobra Jet Mustangs ..while GM continued to struggle finding success with their SS 396.

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection 2 года назад

      There was no difference in any of the Mark IV blocks and their oiling systems. A 402 was the same old 396 block with .030 overbore.
      GM was not in racing in the late 60's, so any support they gave was back channel and unofficial, unlike Ford and Mopar who were all-in.
      There were only 10 Chevy cars entered out of 51 in the 69 500, none of which were factory sponsored in the least.

  • @austinknowlton1783
    @austinknowlton1783 3 года назад +1

    Love that Coronet R/T at the beginning and end. Liked and subscribed.

  • @randyowens2717
    @randyowens2717 5 лет назад +7

    Love Mopar!

  • @billmcgee7
    @billmcgee7 5 лет назад +2

    Interesting information
    in regard to the 70 Chevelle
    SS 454 which factory stated
    horsepower was 470 horse
    at 5000 RPM ! I own this
    engine in my 56 Chevy Sports
    Sedan and the transmission
    which is the automatic with
    the 2500 stall ! Which I call
    my 11 second grocery getter !
    Reminds me of the 64 GTO
    with a 389 4 speed !

    • @ZacLowing
      @ZacLowing 5 лет назад

      But modern day dyno testing has proven that few cars from back then exceeded 400hp. Dynos don't lie

    • @billmcgee7
      @billmcgee7 5 лет назад

      WCTA Chicago underground sound
      The LS6 you say did not come out
      with 470 horse factory rated
      horse power !

    • @robertjohnson4401
      @robertjohnson4401 4 года назад

      The 454 LS6 in the Chevelle was factory rated at 450 horsepower. The Corvette LS7 at 460 horsepower.

  • @hansgruber650
    @hansgruber650 4 года назад +3

    340 was the Giant killer.

  • @robertrobinson9920
    @robertrobinson9920 5 лет назад +3

    Enjoy your videos keep up the good work

  • @JamesAllmond
    @JamesAllmond Год назад

    Oddly, my oldest brother had a 1969 Dogge Dart Swinger 340 and one of his best friends had a 1970 Chevy Chevelle SS 396. They used to race a 75/80 dragway, where Motorweek did their tests ages ago (long since closed). By 1974 they were both banned. The cars were so evenly matched and ran so well and the drivers could hit their E/T so often, that when they pulled up, most others dropped out...and the cars were stock. Eventually they got banned from the stock class and eventually just said F it.... not sure what happened to the Chevelle, but the Dart is finishing a many years and mor money than I would have spent restoration after we sold to my kids swim coach... Great match up that most folks would never expect to be so good!

  • @ThePaconmartinez
    @ThePaconmartinez 5 лет назад +2

    CHEVELLE SS-396 1/4 MILE 14.6 @ 96 MPH = WHY I OBSERVED VEHICLE AT ORANGE COUNTY RACEWAY (OCIR) My friend Barney Murray ran against a SS-396 in his 1970 Duster 340. Barney turned 14.42 G/pure Stock . So I bought a '71 Duster 340, 727 Torqueflite, 3.91 posi: added headers, Edelbrock Torker intake, a Holley 800 cfm spread bore double pump but the car ''wasn't fast enough'' for me. I got a hold of Mr. Norm's Grand Spaulding Dodge and put a Paxton Supercharger on it. We blew out the head gaskets--so took off the heads and had them surfaced and "O-ringed" + Isky triple springs, Teflon oil seals. I was running with the 440-6-packs / 429 Cobra Jets--.dude! the tach hit 7,000 rpm

  • @matthewronsson
    @matthewronsson 8 месяцев назад

    I had a '68 Dodge Dart 340 in HS 78/79. Bumble Bee Yellow with the black stripe in the back. What a great car.

  • @451dskots88
    @451dskots88 3 месяца назад

    3:02 The 402 was built in Tonawanda NY (just north of my home town of Buffalo). Its been said that people who worked there have said that they had a machining issue when they were boring those 396 blocks and decided to perform a .030" overbore to save them. Not sure how true this story is but it kinda makes sense being that there really isnt much to gain from punching an engine .030" over.

  • @robbiefrentz9427
    @robbiefrentz9427 4 года назад +1

    I really dig your channel. Thank you

  • @soxfunny98
    @soxfunny98 5 лет назад +19

    New here and great races and match - ups.
    I can lay claim to knowing how good the 340 is.
    Yes I have beaten 396, 383,390Ford and AMC AND A 389 tri power.
    Anyhow my reason for commenting was two fold.
    First, great channel and I was not sure if you or everyone saw the Hot Rod small block build.
    The 340 that can beat all comers in the small Block category. Ford's, LS, YOU NAME IT. THE guys that did it were Chevy guys that were tired of hearing about that SB MOPAR. They build them now after winning highest HP AND TORQUE out of any small block.You can Google hot rod 340wins sb build competitions. Not gloating its a great article and contest. Cool stuff.

    • @soxfunny98
      @soxfunny98 5 лет назад +2

      @john thonig
      Do you live close to great lakes dragaway, ROUTE 66 or 131??
      If you do I have 6 bone stock 340 Dusters and Demons and 3 340 Darts. All absolutely Bone Stock
      3 Dusters, 1Demon and all 3 Darts never rebuilt either.
      The other 2 were rebuilt to bone stock specs
      I know it was my speed shop that rebuilt them. Anyhow..... come April or may I would love to set you up racing at least 6 of the 340 cars. I will film it and I promise every last inch of the races will go on my new channel( January)about racing, my cars and speed shop

    • @moparre
      @moparre 5 лет назад +1

      @@soxfunny98 hes a shit talker he wined to me about that 327 boat ⚓

  • @Red-rl1xx
    @Red-rl1xx 5 лет назад +2

    My dad bought a 340 Swinger new in '69. It was our family car for 10 years. It was blue with a white stripe.

  • @robertsnyder5149
    @robertsnyder5149 5 лет назад +14

    I had a 1968 GTS 340 with 3:91 gears that ran 13;04 right out of the show room.

  • @artboston4787
    @artboston4787 4 года назад +3

    The '58 Edsel was a beautiful car!

  • @davidst4896
    @davidst4896 4 года назад

    I had both of these cars back in the 70's loads of fun with both of them

  • @robinluck2922
    @robinluck2922 5 лет назад

    My bud had a 340/6 barrel (6-pack) dual point distributor and pistol grip. Also factory cast iron headers? In a black Duster w/black interior. I've not seen another one. Great car...also a bench seat.... he bought it from his father's coworker. An iron worker in Ohio.

  • @coreyjenkins3056
    @coreyjenkins3056 4 года назад +1

    Nothing like Ol` Skool American Muscle!!!✊🏿👊🏿

  • @MFM556
    @MFM556 4 года назад +4

    The LA type motors do not get enough love

  • @skylarsoper241
    @skylarsoper241 2 года назад

    My dad and I used to race a 1971 chevlle started wit a 454 , I 🤔 ls5 , we upped it to like ls7 , in short blew it up , got a 502 Merlin and we never had another issue, the absolute king of the burnout car

  • @danpals7678
    @danpals7678 4 года назад +1

    I just bought a beautiful 66 Charger and she is scary fast plus the beautiful interior.

  • @thabiznizz
    @thabiznizz 5 лет назад +1

    That was a good pair. I’m a Chevy guy but I like both cars. 👍

  • @mfddoc
    @mfddoc 4 года назад +1

    The Chevelle base price included a 3 speed manual transmission IF one wanted to upgrade to the 4 speed or automatic, then the prices listed are correct....most dealers were selling these cars for 500 over invoice, which was significantly less than the list price....btw, that 3 speed was a all synchro unit, but was not very strong in comparison to the 4 speeds available....

    • @lunchsack6861
      @lunchsack6861 4 года назад

      How many times are you going to comment the same stupid garbage? The video is obviously about a super sport Chevelle. The three speed manual was not available in the super sport package. Quit being such an obnoxious dummy. I hope he blocks you for spamming the comments section.

  • @scottg391
    @scottg391 4 года назад +1

    The Swinger was the only Chrysler product I ever really liked. It was kinda ugly, was extremely light and if you got the stripper, stripper model was the ultimate sleeper that would walk away from just about anything else out there. Even by today’s standards it’s still a very fast car. Just don’t ask it to stop or turn.

  • @maccoolmac5191
    @maccoolmac5191 3 года назад +1

    The 70 Chevelle Is the one you want, but it's just to heavy. The Dart weights in at 2750 and with the 340 can't be beat . Did you see the working clean in front of the Dart on the second race.

  • @crownironman
    @crownironman 5 лет назад

    From what I have heard, the L-78 was the largest engine you could get in a 70 Chevelle and the 454 was not available when they started producing them in the late 69s. Chevrolet lifted the mandate that that stated cars could not have any cubic inches larger than 400 around January and the L-78 was replaced with the LS-6 (basically the same engine with a different stroke crankshaft). That is why there are fewer L-78s than LS-6, because only a few months of the total production time of the 70 Chevelle was the L-78 available.

  • @patroll330
    @patroll330 5 лет назад

    I owned many Plymouth Dusters, they were light and fast. My brother had the 67 GTX 440 automatic, that year the car was light with a big motor. He raced a bunch of cars, but told me about a 302 Camaro beat him up, but the quarter mile he was done.

    • @patroll330
      @patroll330 5 лет назад

      @john thonig What did they do the 327 to get them to run that good, I'm a 75 Camaro owner myself , my brother told me the only couple of times he got beat was by Chevys , 302 Z28 Camaro,and that 327 in a Nova .