As the driver of the Camaro, let me say that Paul in the Duster, is a class act and his car is very well sorted out for Pure Stock racing. At 72 years young I am just having fun and enjoying life. I didn't build my Camaro from the ground up to be a Pure Stock 'top dog' - I don't race regularly - in fact I only race once a year at this event. 4-speed cars are overall not as fast as the automatics and my car is a 4-speed. I am number 11 on the all time fastest list, but maybe not on the most consistent list. There were 3 4-speed cars in the top 20 cars this year. Then the ZL-1 has a double-pumper carb, all the others have vacuum secondary carbs - and yes contestants use that to 'tune' their cars launch - my right foot is the only tune for my secondaries. One of the contestants told me his car picked up 6 tens of a second going to an automatic transmission, but I will just stay with the 4-speed as for now I just play around once a year. I'm not a drag racer, never was a drag racer, but I invite all of you to come try it. Put 500 lb/ft of torque to the ground on F70-14 tires with 4.10 gears and a 4-speed and a double pumper carb. It ain't all that easy when you only do it once a year. Congratulation again to Paul in the Duster - lots of the racers respect him and his abilities.
So now that all the buttheads that jumped on the duster bandwagon just dont get that the camaro of Andy's was explained in his comment and no more need to be said except that that camaro just needed to be put to its potential with a good sticky set of back rubber and then it would change your mindless comments about doubting it and any of us knows this without having to think to hard .Thankyou Andy for sharing the experience with such a legend of a car as yours .Its an awesome piece of the past kept and cared for .
@@craigewen2878 ; I'm sure that most of us gear heads are well aware of the the COPO potential. The point being, a COPO is not "pure stock". That's like saying a 427 Thunderbolt is "pure stock". Being a Ford fan, I would argue that a BOSS 429 isn't "pure stock". But people could buy a Boss 429 off a showroom floor for $3,000 less than a COPO. Not sneaking around corporate rules and such non sense. Maybe Andy/Tom brought this COPO for just show-n-go. My hats off to him. But for that reason, he should just take it to parades. But in typical fashion, the rule's of the game are twisted in favor of Chevy Butthead.
@@dartgts383 the hilarious part is the zl1 got the best engineering GM could muster and the example here got the extra love your whining about. Looks like the budget mopar curb stomped it no problem.
Back in the day, I owned a total of 6 A bodies. All 340s. Some were stock and some were not. With just a few changes, they were deadly on the starting line. Just like this one. I actually owned a 71 Duster exactly like the one in this race except mine had Cragars on it. I had a sticker in my dash that said "you spin I win." A guy told me one night my car left like it was mad about something. Those were the days.
@thephantompunch I didn't own all 6 at one time. I sold them, traded them, like everyone else, I had no idea they would one day be worth a small fortune. Sold my black 71 Duster when my wife was 8 months pregnant with our first kid. Needed the money.
I had a 71 cuda with a 340 four speed. I used to beat lots of cars that didn't think I had a chance. Used to love pulling up to a light with a vet at My side only to smoke them every time!
@@rightousman I was born in 1970 so I missed that era but I am a Gearhead and I remember when I was a kid my friend's dad had a 1970 Duster with a 340 and 4 speed. Other guy had like a 1970 BBF Mustang and some other guy had a Firebird. I remember my friend saying that no one would race his dad with the Duster. I do know that with some minor things, headers, cam & carb upgrade the 340 was an absolute beast. Incredibly over shadowed by the 426 and especially the 440.
Buddy of mine in high school had a Demon 340-- his dad had a shop and was a Mopar maniac, and they had it stock aside from modern tires, think they slightly widened stock rims. However, the engine was lovingly blueprinted, stock technically but all the factory mess ups erased (casting flash in the ports smoothed, that sort of thing). Dang thing was FAST for a high school car in 1995, power delivery was amazing, like getting pulled by a giant rubber band or something. Ran consistent low 13's, think he got a few 12.90's on good days. Every now and then someone else at school would try to race him and it always ended up a slaughter.
340 out of the box was a big block killer ! And 350 novas Camaros had no chance in factory stock form! Had a 69 Barracuda formula S 4 speed 391 gear it was bye bye 👋 by 2nd gear. Miss that car
The 340 made more than 275 horsepower, Mopar cheated insurance companies by rating the horsepower number before peak power. They made 320 horsepower at 5500. Hot Rod Magazine did an article on it a while ago.
Agreed....The 114.79 and 114.81 trap speeds will attest to that.....curious to see what tires and psi were used on both vehicles....obviously (as noted) the Duster was suspension tuned as well as motor tuned for these specific events......good to see an underdog win....even if it was a "ringer car"
@@ScottSmithHarms @Scott Smith Settle down there Francis!! LOL I understand the rules involved....I ran my '69 AMX 390 4 spd in NMCA TOP Stock back in the 90's to low 11 ETs taking advantage of anything/everything the rules allowed......The "ringer" moniker i gave the Duster is because the owner obviously took advantage of every performance enhancer allowed, while the COPO Camaro owner IMO did not....as I said in my previous post above the trap speeds of near 115 mph on 2 passes shows the COPO was having traction problems (in both lanes)....a simple tire change and/or dialing in the psi would've made the difference here.....the Duster's owner probably had the right tires and psi set, forward clamps on the rear leaf springs, adjustable pinion snubber, 50/50 rear shocks, 80/20 front shocks, 6 cylinder front springs, etc....all within the rules and took advantage of each and every one of them.....no "stock" Duster 340 runs 12.2's LOL....the COPO in this video qualified at 12.37 so again tires/psi dialed in the COPO wins...no bias here, I love the Duster 340 and I'm an AMC owner so I'm all for the underdogs....but facts are facts....Happy Thanksgiving! 🦃
@@FIRE-WOOD Scott Smith is correct they both are on the same playing field. The COPO owner changed out his iron 427 for the lighter and higher HP ZL1. It sounds like you've never been to this event or even know the rules ? They both run the same tires, all cars run reproduction bias ply tires, this is the best tire wit hthe best traction qualities , these aren't like the original slippery tires back in the day, with a MAX width depending on the series ie: 60 or 70 series , G in the 70 series and also I think it's G in the 60 ... same size on all 4 corners except for cars that came that way from the factory and I'm 99.9% sure that is only the AAR Cuda and T/A Challenger. They set the tire pressure in the rear to get maximum tread contact on the ground and overinflated the fronts some for less tread contact. The COPO had 2 disadvantages , one was the Dusters owner , as soon as I heard the name I knew the Duster was going to be fast, and the second was the owners choice of a 4 speed transmission. I raced this event in 2006 , hope to get back there in 2021 with my 383 4 speed Dart GTS . Happy Thanksgiving!
@@jjayyoung7335 That driver is over 70 yrs. Young and having the time of his life !! Cut him some slack , he's not there to set track records , he's there living The Dash !!
I bought a 71 Duster brand new back in the day because a friend had a 70 Duster. They were quite the surprise for a lot of Camaro's, Mustangs and GTOs and such. I had cars from all over the area looking to race me on weekends. LOL. I had a lot of fun with that car.
@@CarsAndZebras I had a friend that had a daily 69 dart swinger. About 18k miles took me to the track one day he let me drive it in the summer of 69 he hit 14.70s(mid) and my first pass down the track and hit 14.30s (low) he wasnt happy he put slicks on it in 1969 and hit 14.00 flats they had a 14. Flat bracket which he won. Daily drive to work CAR
A souped 340 will smoke anything. Best small block ever made. They beat 455, 454 429s some 440s. Great motors. That little Mopar embarrassed that copo big block
@@fiendwithout “Souped up” in our day meant that it was worked over. So, yeah. I believe he knows that. Just different slang that changes generation to generation. 😊
True. Even the stock high compression 340s could take out the stock, much heavier GM 400 cube muscle cars back then. Olds 442s, Buick GS 400s, base 400 GTOs, 325 horse 396s were all meat for the lighter, faster A-bodied 340s. The GMs, back in the day, could not hook up off the line, like the Mopar rear suspensions allowed. That, weight advantage and a severely under rated 340 engine made them giant killers that embarrassed much more expensive rides.....and who doesn't love doing that?
I've smoked all those with a "souped up" 318! Lol You can add in a not stock 426 Hemi to that list! Set up as a total package the little A-bodies and mopar small block get it done in the 1/4 and launch real fast. Get them out of hole and there isn't enough strip left for them to catch you.
@Commando ! i guess im just used to going to the track watching bottom of the barrel stock mustang gts run basement 12s at 113-118mph. . Seems they run about the same time. Not to bench race but if I owned a ZL1 ran dead even with a new GT i wouldn't be upset. I'd be able to gauge my power level tho
@@godhand101 no one cars about your crap mustang. And if you don’t understand traction limiting drag strip performance then you don’t know a thing about drag racing. And yes, the ZL1 was underrated around 100 hp. This information is easily accessible on the internet.
My high school car was a 72 Duster with a 318, hacked exhaust, and a 4.10 rear gear. It was untouchable light to light. I used to smoke Camaros and Mustangs all the time. Now if the race was longer than 4 blocks they'd sometimes pass me, but off the line it was a bullet. The Darts and Dusters back in the day were extremely light weight. Great power to weight ratio.
There were some high compression 340 cars sold in the US in 1972 and ALL 1972 EXPORT 340 cars had high compression. There were three 1972 340's, high compression with a steel crankshaft, low compression with a steel crankshaft and low compression with a cast crankshaft near the end of the 1972 model year.
@@CarsAndZebras Wonder what the compression was in 340? The owner has everything dialed in perfectly. They should run a chassis dyne at those events. That would be super interesting.
You mentioned the track test of the ZL1 back in 1969: Then Editor of Hot Rod Magazine, Ro McGonegal, featured a story on the 1969 test in a June 1998 issue. According to Ro, the test was conducted at the Kansas City International Raceway, on what appeared to be a cold off-season day as indicated by the gray skies, bare trees, coats and hats. He stated the ZL1 with headers pumped out 575 hp (vs its factory rating of 430hp). They tried 8" slicks and destroyed them with a best time of 11.64. Furthermore, the car had the TH400 which had a very incompatible factory stall converter, so they even had to resort to "mat the throttle with the transmission in Neutral and then yank the lever into Low" which made things real squirrely. According to Ro, the Chevy press introduced a ZL1-powered corvette later that year with 10" slicks and belted out 10.70 "all day long with idiots at the wheel!"
I miss kcir I live in Kansas City it's gone been gone for years early 90s we used to grudge race and go down their spectators race my brother's Camaro plenty it was a lot of fun
@@dartgts383 Roger. I think this is why some of the smaller engines often do so well. Some of these big block cars could never reach any real potential without traction or free-flowing exhausts. This is one of the main reasons some of the modern muscle cars do so well in factory trim: much better rubber and nice factory tubed headers rather that the measly cast manifolds!
Badger Bait Absolutely true , but there’s so few who read that article or the few people who were into street drag racing that are still around who remember the late 60s when the L-88 & aluminum ZL-1 were without debate the most feared.
I showed my uncle this channel and now he is addicted to RUclips, watching the cars of his youth race. Plus it has brought him back down to earth when he talks about how fast him and my dad's cars actually were back in the day.
I need an explanation on how a 'stock 340' is running low 12's - that's as fast or faster than a Hemi. What am I missing? Detroit Horsepower outputs peaked in 1970 - adding to my confusion on how a '71 - an even lesser 'stock 340' - is flirting with 11 second quarter times. If the camaro had any traction it could hit 11's - it's also easily pushing 500hp - no chance that 340 comes stock with 500hp.
It's a full on race modified, obviously. The postings (and these events) are bordering on pointless, as levels of modification clearly are not matched up.
I HAD A 1971 DODGE DEMON 340 VERY QUICK CARS . GOOD TRACTION WAS HARD TO GET .BUT IF YOU WANTED TO LIGHT THE TIRES UP FROM TELEPHONE POLE TO TELEPHONE POLE WITH SMOKE BILLOWING OUT OF THE WINDOWS OF THE CAR YOU COULD AND HAD FUN DOING IT .
@@joshuacohn2004do you have the knowledge to understand the duster is hugely modified while the Camaro is running times one would expect that model to run box stock. That isn't a 340 Duster. It's a race car, dufus.
@@oveidasinclair982 the car in that race you are referring to was a 70 440 6 pack challenger and that zl1 barely beat the challenger and it was a very close race
That really was a great video you put together. Well done. I can also appreciate the people who race their cars at these events so we can watch, It is quite an achievement what times these people run on those factory tires. Talk about dialing it in. Paul Petcou knows his stuff!!! Some of the comments on here...well are simply cringe worthy. Anyway keep up the good work.
Great video that brings back some good memories of my 1970 Duster 318 three speed manual. The 1970, 318 made 245 horse power. It wasn't the strongest motor but was bullet proof. 8 3/4 rear end with 3.23 gears was perfect for my Duster. I could roast the back tires very easily. I wish I had kept it, especially after watching this video.
Brings me back to my teen years. I had a 69 SS Camaro with the L78 and my buddy and arch enemy had a Duster with a built 340. Big blocks rule and I could squeak by him at the drags. Back then I wished I was packing a 427 ZL1 but maybe it wasn’t that big of a deal, he never beat me even with my ability with a Muncie and he had a Winters prepped 727. My best time with slicks 11.04 and I could see his front fender and that little freaking Mopar making me look bad. P.S. love the channel man.
I really miss being a member of the local Mopar Club back in the mid-90's. My friends in the club turned me on to a 1-owner '76 Feather Duster. $250. The owner didn't think it would move under its own power. After checking the fluids, hoses, and belt, I slapped a new battery in it and drove it home (about 12 miles). The only mishap was a giant clump of pine straw and other unknown debris that decided to vacate the vent box and hit me in the face while on I-20. I had the window down, and it exited to whatever fate awaited. Maybe one day I'll own another...
I have been a 340 Mopar fan since my high-school days of the early 70's. My 340 Challenger put a lot of big blocks to shame at street drags or up to highway speeds and beyond. It was a giant killer.
Another excellent video with two of my favorite cars. I owned a 69 Camaro with a small block 400 and an automatic and also owned a 72 340 duster with a three-speed manual and have to say that the duster with that relatively small engine was quite impressive
I totally agree. I love these cars and these races but a little rationale here. In my experience, there is no possibility of getting a Duster 340 AT to run 12.26 within these rules. Seriously folks, read the rules. You could get some incremental HP with a blue print and balance, the overbore, some ignition and carburetor work, a port and polish of the heads. But nothing that will get you anything close to a 12.26 especially on those tires. Do they do any teardowns? I think not. I had a 70 Duster 340, 4 spd, 3.91 gears. No spare or jack in the trunk, no wipers, not even a radio, no ww fluid, lightest battery that could start it. Could barely crack a 14.5. Bone stock on the E70's with a factory supplied i.e. "hand built" engine for magazine testing i.e. Hot Rod Magazine or such and a supertune with Ronnie Sox on the 4 speed with a soft launch you might get a 14.2 at sea level, cool air. A 12.26 ? With the 3 speed torqueflite? No chance. I have listened to some of these cars at idle or slowly moving through the pits, doesn't sound like a factory cam to me.
@@burningblue1254 here we go, more morons that don’t understand drag racing. The Duster is barely 3200 pounds. You don’t even need 350 net horsepower to hit 12.3 seconds in a car that light. So you’re telling me, a car from the factory making 320 gross horsepower (the real rating, which is around 290 net), with an overbore, compression ratio increased 1.5 points, electronic ignition, mandrel bent exhaust, with complete balancing/blue printing and tuned for 110 octane can’t make 350 net hp? Idiots. And yes, they do require tear downs. Almost every year they ban at least one car.
@@therealhonestabe7839 I guess we idiots and morons are healthy skeptics! I will recant my previous statement. It is possible to run the 12.26 since these vehicles are heavily heavily heavily massaged and given the rules. But to run these times and mph requires incredible dedication and testing. I say this because I know a guy running L/SAT with a 67 Chevelle 283 and he has run in the 11.8's. I remember the days of NHRA pure stock which literally amounted to removing your hub caps and pulling out your air filter.
@@burningblue1254 They do inspections if one chooses to go thru the process. The owner of this car, Paul Petcou, knows his stuff and I'll wager that his car has gone thru the certification processes they do or he would have been asked to have the car looked over to continue for the day. They allow these engine to be built to NHRA factory stock spec , ALL the cars are allowed it. There are no roller rockers , no porting of any kind , stock part number carbs , stock cast iron exhaust manifolds and a max 2.5 " exhaust to the rear bumper. As far as an electronic ignition it's either a pertronics type or a factory type box, no MSD or the like is allowed, those cars that have a dual point actually run them as they are better than the electronic ignition you are allowed to use. Cams must the actual advertised lift of the original factory cam. The temperature tells me this may have not been the September race and actually one that was ran in the spring, the air was very good that day. The reproduction bias ply tires they run have a naturally sticky compound as they are made , that's why you don't see anyone but the casual or first time racer at this event running radial tires. I think the F70-14 redlines I have ran me about $500, back in 2006, when I bought a set to race there .
@@monsterram6617 What's that joke I heard or saw a skit of?! They were calling some dude needle*ick. He turned around and looked at some chick that was making fun of him too and said : I might have a needle*ick, but I **ck like a sewing machine. Lol her eyes lit up and she walked out on his arm 😂
Back in 70 I saved and saved from the age of 8 and when I was 15 1/2 me and dad went car shopping and found a 70; 340 4 speed 3.91 gears got my license and put headers on and ran 13.23 @ 104 these cars were so fast enjoyed that car through high school beat a lot of bid blocks ! Go Mopar
@@frigglebiscuit7484 ; Yeah, I don't get it. That's like saying the 1965 GT350's are "Pure Stock". Another thing that bugs the hell outta me is the Bow Tie Brigade has claimed for ages how you get more horsepower from any and all Chevy engines for thousands of $$$$$ less than Ford engines. "real fine,409"? Yeah, right....
@@frigglebiscuit7484 read the rule books in most of these freak shows. They specifically target solid lifter Hemi cars and a few Ford's to keep them out of the line up. Most of them got the word Super Stock in their factory terminology. GM cars didn't because of the corporate race ban.
The secret to traction with bias-ply tires was to over-inflate them. Those bias-ply tire spread flat instead of crowning. Ford Drag Team taught me that in 1970 and it worked. My '69 Boss 302 Mustang went near a full second quicker just by over-inflating the tires to 35-38 psi instead of 28 psi.
After owning over 300 cars in my life, I narrowed it down to the cars I wanted when I was a youngster. 1971 Duster 340, 1969 Camaro SS396 and a 1969 Mustang Convertible 428CJ. I missed a opportunity to purchase a ZL1 engine when the owner wanted a, new at the time, 572 crate motor. I grew up learning the saying, "You snooze you loose", very well. In other words if you want it, don't think, BUY IT!!! Opportunity may never come again.
Over in F.A.S.T., guys chose reproduction tires over radials because they can get better traction with them. The old polyglass tires grip well right before they're bald. Drag radials would be even better but that's not the spirit of either class.
And there you have it simple the COPO never could get Traction he would have Beaten the Duster if he would have Taken off in Second Gear If he would have loded the Clutch and came off the Line in Second and could actually drive he could have beat the Duster Hands Down I have done the Same with a 70 R/T Challenger 4.10 gears pistol grip and I always used 2nd gear to come off the Line, with Polyglass stock tires they were Blown off through3rd gear no Traction with the COPO Simple.
@@firstvett69 please. all of us that been in the trenches know damn good and well why GM guys don't want no traction. Them sob puke drive train parts like a fat bastard eating at a buffet.
I owned a 340 Duster, 4-speed, w/3.91 sure grip diff. I was able to beat most cars in a race. My car came alum wheels and zero options which got the weight down to about 3100 lbs.
Good ol David vs Goliath match up! Seen this Duster run several times and it's for sure engineered where all components work together,just curious what he has it stroked out to. Another great video of two great cars,keep them coming.
It’s not stroked, that’s not allowed in Pure Stock. Compression ratio pushed to max plus all other mods Pure Stock allows. This is pretty much the quickest a 340 will ever run in this series. I don’t think there’s much more room for improvement.
@@CarsAndZebras thanks for the clarification. Idk why but I was under the impression you could change the internals just not the cam and the outside had to retain all stock components. Anyways thanks for pointing that out and as a Mopar guy I'm even more impressed with that mini wedge that runs like a max.
Goodday C & Z, What a great race, you know me Mopar or No Car, parked opposite Bob Jane T Mart on Williamstown Rd Port Melbourne & if you Google Bob Jane you would see he bought 2 x Camaro's ZL1's brand new & bought them back to Australia. Well I am in my Semi having lunch & looking at a genuine Camaro ZL1 Hugger Orange in the front entrance of Bob Jane HQ. That Duster is a real sweet machine, love to see a Cuda or Challenger AAR or T/A , 340, 6BBL. Any of those AAR's or T/A's coming up. Stay safe & stay warm. Your number 1 Fan in Australia Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤
30f (-1C) this morning...and only getting colder. I do have footage of a very cool challenger t/a that you’ll see in the future, but that’ll be a couple months.
@@CarsAndZebras That is cold, too cold. Beautiful warm, no wind, all blue sky & all sun this morning in Melbourne. It is going to be 28 degrees today & 30 & 32 the next 2 days. Pack your bags & head to Australia. Summer is here, Melbourne the world's most liveable city a couple of years in a row.
Diehard Mopar guy here... when I saw the match up in the title even I figured no way José. But damn, that Duster though! Both cars are awesome, and I wonder about two things: how many rpm was that 340 pulling when it was screaming at half track in 2nd gear, and how far into the 11s would that COPO have gone with a meaty set of slicks 🤔 Great video!
I owned many II' s- including 2 King Cobras. Junk? No.. Weak powered? Yes, but one can always build a nice engine, and power.. I did. Loved all of them..
Both nice car's, but the Duster get's to me. Back in 1972 my older brother bought a new bright yellow 340 Duster. Loved that car and miss it. In 1976 he went on a German car kick and traded the Duster for a new BMW 2002...What a mistake.
Never i mean never mess with a good running 340. My buddies 69 dart 340 4spd 391 gear even has air cond. Stil clicks off 13 20s at 101 an hes had it since 74. Yes its original
I’ve driven a lot of cars thru the yrs and a Plymouth was the strongest at throttle I’ve driven, I once drove a 65 model Fury 2 door coupe and that damned thing was a rocket.
The owner of the Duster really has that car set up. Well done. When reading the rule book it’s just as, if not more important to read what the rules DON’T say vs what they DO say. 😉
Owned a "69 427 back in the day, street raced nearly everything that showed an interest including a 340 duster.....NO contest! That Camaro was wicked fast for the time.
340's definitely didn't run like that off the lot, I had two. Definitely well prepped. The ZL1 with slicks is a sub 11's car for sure with over 100hp advantage. Love the 340s though. A friend has a stroked one in an AMC Spirit with nitrous when needed on the street and that thing is a beast at
I love those 340 Dusters, I think I would rather have one of those over any other muscle car - except for a 427 Shelby Cobra, Chevy 409, Buick stage 1 455 Gran Sport, a '69 SS Chevelle L78, a '67 SS Chevelle 427, '65 Vette with the 396, any ZR1 Vette, 421 SD tri powered Poncho, '62/63 Plymouth with the 426 wedge or, or, or, or, or, !
Out of all the cars in Pure Stock this year (around 108-109 in total) this car by far had the fastest 60 foot time. 1.77 seconds....... and the next closest was around 1.85!
As the driver of the Camaro, let me say that Paul in the Duster, is a class act and his car is very well sorted out for Pure Stock racing. At 72 years young I am just having fun and enjoying life. I didn't build my Camaro from the ground up to be a Pure Stock 'top dog' - I don't race regularly - in fact I only race once a year at this event. 4-speed cars are overall not as fast as the automatics and my car is a 4-speed. I am number 11 on the all time fastest list, but maybe not on the most consistent list. There were 3 4-speed cars in the top 20 cars this year. Then the ZL-1 has a double-pumper carb, all the others have vacuum secondary carbs - and yes contestants use that to 'tune' their cars launch - my right foot is the only tune for my secondaries. One of the contestants told me his car picked up 6 tens of a second going to an automatic transmission, but I will just stay with the 4-speed as for now I just play around once a year. I'm not a drag racer, never was a drag racer, but I invite all of you to come try it. Put 500 lb/ft of torque to the ground on F70-14 tires with 4.10 gears and a 4-speed and a double pumper carb. It ain't all that easy when you only do it once a year. Congratulation again to Paul in the Duster - lots of the racers respect him and his abilities.
Thanks for commenting Andy (Tom)! It’s always nice seeing the car out there and everyone appreciates it!
@@CarsAndZebras I just replied on Andy's (none of that is is real name) log in
So now that all the buttheads that jumped on the duster bandwagon just dont get that the camaro of Andy's was explained in his comment and no more need to be said except that that camaro just needed to be put to its potential with a good sticky set of back rubber and then it would change your mindless comments about doubting it and any of us knows this without having to think to hard .Thankyou Andy for sharing the experience with such a legend of a car as yours .Its an awesome piece of the past kept and cared for .
@@craigewen2878 ; I'm sure that most of us gear heads are well aware of the the COPO potential. The point being, a COPO is not "pure stock". That's like saying a 427 Thunderbolt is "pure stock". Being a Ford fan, I would argue that a BOSS 429 isn't "pure stock". But people could buy a Boss 429 off a showroom floor for $3,000 less than a COPO. Not sneaking around corporate rules and such non sense. Maybe Andy/Tom brought this COPO for just show-n-go. My hats off to him. But for that reason, he should just take it to parades. But in typical fashion, the rule's of the game are twisted in favor of Chevy Butthead.
Cobra charmer isnt anything sold from the factory regardless of Chevy dodge or Ford putting a certain badging considered stock or not .
That 340 is a stout little motor, impressive 🤟
Most impressive
Especially when built to NHRA stock spec ...
@@dartgts383 Considering its 50 year old tec its an impressive time, looks and sounds great too.
@@dartgts383 the hilarious part is the zl1 got the best engineering GM could muster and the example here got the extra love your whining about.
Looks like the budget mopar curb stomped it no problem.
@@h.r.puffnstuff8705 I'm not whining about the 340 being built to NHRA spec , every single racer at the PSMCDR can do the same thing if they choose.
Back in the day, I owned a total of 6 A bodies. All 340s. Some were stock and some were not. With just a few changes, they were deadly on the starting line. Just like this one. I actually owned a 71 Duster exactly like the one in this race except mine had Cragars on it. I had a sticker in my dash that said "you spin I win." A guy told me one night my car left like it was mad about something. Those were the days.
so what happen to all of em?
@thephantompunch I didn't own all 6 at one time. I sold them, traded them, like everyone else, I had no idea they would one day be worth a small fortune. Sold my black 71 Duster when my wife was 8 months pregnant with our first kid. Needed the money.
@@bpcarman this is why i dont have kids dont wanna sell my cars!
Another note about the 340, it never stopped pulling even way past the redline.
340's were no joke back in the day. Cam them, open up the exhaust and a real carb and they were Giant Killers.
Mopar ruled!
I had a 71 cuda with a 340 four speed. I used to beat lots of cars that didn't think I had a chance. Used to love pulling up to a light with a vet at My side only to smoke them every time!
@@rightousman I was born in 1970 so I missed that era but I am a Gearhead and I remember when I was a kid my friend's dad had a 1970 Duster with a 340 and 4 speed. Other guy had like a 1970 BBF Mustang and some other guy had a Firebird. I remember my friend saying that no one would race his dad with the Duster. I do know that with some minor things, headers, cam & carb upgrade the 340 was an absolute beast. Incredibly over shadowed by the 426 and especially the 440.
@@rightousman yah, my buddy bought a 71 that was a 340 car but the previous owner put in a 440. very fast car back in the day,
@@rightousman 71 cudas are beautiful!
If anybody is interested, I believe that the Duster had the quickest 60 foot time for the entire event. Only 1.77 seconds!
Thanks
sweet
I'm glad you mentioned the 60' time, that duster was cookin'!!
Launched like it was shot out of a cannon!!!
I believe it. That thing fired out of the hole!
Buddy of mine in high school had a Demon 340-- his dad had a shop and was a Mopar maniac, and they had it stock aside from modern tires, think they slightly widened stock rims. However, the engine was lovingly blueprinted, stock technically but all the factory mess ups erased (casting flash in the ports smoothed, that sort of thing). Dang thing was FAST for a high school car in 1995, power delivery was amazing, like getting pulled by a giant rubber band or something. Ran consistent low 13's, think he got a few 12.90's on good days. Every now and then someone else at school would try to race him and it always ended up a slaughter.
340 out of the box was a big block killer ! And 350 novas Camaros had no chance in factory stock form! Had a 69 Barracuda formula S 4 speed 391 gear it was bye bye 👋 by 2nd gear. Miss that car
The 340 made more than 275 horsepower, Mopar cheated insurance companies by rating the horsepower number before peak power. They made 320 horsepower at 5500. Hot Rod Magazine did an article on it a while ago.
And the Camaro's 430 H P is right on Ha! Ha! More like 500. Now who's
cheating..
what's your point 340's were always giant killers
And your point is what or are you saying Chev never fudged their horsepower ratings
Sneaky boi tactics lmao
Chevy and Ford also cheated. They all did.
340 rules💪
Duster driver ruled. That Camaro spotted him huge and was easily running him down. Don't blame the car
That 340 is impressive! I’m a Mopar guy but traction was for sure an issue. That ZL1 would be in the 11’s if it could hook up.
Agreed....The 114.79 and 114.81 trap speeds will attest to that.....curious to see what tires and psi were used on both vehicles....obviously (as noted) the Duster was suspension tuned as well as motor tuned for these specific events......good to see an underdog win....even if it was a "ringer car"
True. Tires are an equalizer in Pure Stock racing. That’s what makes it interesting. Doesn’t take the most powerful car to win!
@@FIRE-WOOD Ringer my ass! BOTH cars play under the same rules, the (small block) Duster beat the (Big Block) Camero on even turf, NO EXCUSES!
@@ScottSmithHarms @Scott Smith Settle down there Francis!! LOL I understand the rules involved....I ran my '69 AMX 390 4 spd in NMCA TOP Stock back in the 90's to low 11 ETs taking advantage of anything/everything the rules allowed......The "ringer" moniker i gave the Duster is because the owner obviously took advantage of every performance enhancer allowed, while the COPO Camaro owner IMO did not....as I said in my previous post above the trap speeds of near 115 mph on 2 passes shows the COPO was having traction problems (in both lanes)....a simple tire change and/or dialing in the psi would've made the difference here.....the Duster's owner probably had the right tires and psi set, forward clamps on the rear leaf springs, adjustable pinion snubber, 50/50 rear shocks, 80/20 front shocks, 6 cylinder front springs, etc....all within the rules and took advantage of each and every one of them.....no "stock" Duster 340 runs 12.2's LOL....the COPO in this video qualified at 12.37 so again tires/psi dialed in the COPO wins...no bias here, I love the Duster 340 and I'm an AMC owner so I'm all for the underdogs....but facts are facts....Happy Thanksgiving! 🦃
@@FIRE-WOOD Scott Smith is correct they both are on the same playing field. The COPO owner changed out his iron 427 for the lighter and higher HP ZL1. It sounds like you've never been to this event or even know the rules ? They both run the same tires, all cars run reproduction bias ply tires, this is the best tire wit hthe best traction qualities , these aren't like the original slippery tires back in the day, with a MAX width depending on the series ie: 60 or 70 series , G in the 70 series and also I think it's G in the 60 ... same size on all 4 corners except for cars that came that way from the factory and I'm 99.9% sure that is only the AAR Cuda and T/A Challenger. They set the tire pressure in the rear to get maximum tread contact on the ground and overinflated the fronts some for less tread contact. The COPO had 2 disadvantages , one was the Dusters owner , as soon as I heard the name I knew the Duster was going to be fast, and the second was the owners choice of a 4 speed transmission. I raced this event in 2006 , hope to get back there in 2021 with my 383 4 speed Dart GTS . Happy Thanksgiving!
That Duster driver brought his/her "A" game.
If the duster drivers is a she give me her name and phone number please that's one hot chick
that 340 sure plays a mean pinball.
The Camaro didn’t even bring a game at all because the driver
@@jjayyoung7335 That driver is over 70 yrs. Young and having the time of his life !! Cut him some slack , he's not there to set track records , he's there living The Dash !!
Those 340 were, and still are, no joke. Highly under rated.
Damn, man, I thought that rare powerful Camaro would win! That Duster is like the Hemi!
But better...
I bought a 71 Duster brand new back in the day because a friend had a 70 Duster. They were quite the surprise for a lot of Camaro's, Mustangs and GTOs and such. I had cars from all over the area looking to race me on weekends. LOL. I had a lot of fun with that car.
Ronnie Sox was able to break into the high 13s with a completely stock 1970 Duster 340. He made 10 separate runs and averaged 14.07. Pretty crazy
@@CarsAndZebras I had a friend that had a daily 69 dart swinger. About 18k miles took me to the track one day he let me drive it in the summer of 69 he hit 14.70s(mid) and my first pass down the track and hit 14.30s (low) he wasnt happy he put slicks on it in 1969 and hit 14.00 flats they had a 14. Flat bracket which he won. Daily drive to work CAR
A souped 340 will smoke anything. Best small block ever made. They beat 455, 454 429s some 440s. Great motors. That little Mopar embarrassed that copo big block
You do know that 340 was worked over right?
@@fiendwithout “Souped up” in our day meant that it was worked over. So, yeah. I believe he knows that. Just different slang that changes generation to generation. 😊
True. Even the stock high compression 340s could take out the stock, much heavier GM 400 cube muscle cars back then. Olds 442s, Buick GS 400s, base 400 GTOs, 325 horse 396s were all meat for the lighter, faster A-bodied 340s. The GMs, back in the day, could not hook up off the line, like the Mopar rear suspensions allowed. That, weight advantage and a severely under rated 340 engine made them giant killers that embarrassed much more expensive rides.....and who doesn't love doing that?
I've smoked all those with a "souped up" 318! Lol You can add in a not stock 426 Hemi to that list! Set up as a total package the little A-bodies and mopar small block get it done in the 1/4 and launch real fast. Get them out of hole and there isn't enough strip left for them to catch you.
Driver is half of the race duster had much better driver.
I guess you could say both cars are... out of this world.
Another great vid. Good humor and fast cars!
Why u gotta go all Mustang 2🤣🤣🤣🤣 you ain’t Right ‼️
@Commando ! wouldn't say severly.. but yeah
@Commando ! i guess im just used to going to the track watching bottom of the barrel stock mustang gts run basement 12s at 113-118mph.
. Seems they run about the same time. Not to bench race but if I owned a ZL1 ran dead even with a new GT i wouldn't be upset. I'd be able to gauge my power level tho
@@godhand101 no one cars about your crap mustang. And if you don’t understand traction limiting drag strip performance then you don’t know a thing about drag racing. And yes, the ZL1 was underrated around 100 hp. This information is easily accessible on the internet.
My high school car was a 72 Duster with a 318, hacked exhaust, and a 4.10 rear gear. It was untouchable light to light. I used to smoke Camaros and Mustangs all the time. Now if the race was longer than 4 blocks they'd sometimes pass me, but off the line it was a bullet. The Darts and Dusters back in the day were extremely light weight. Great power to weight ratio.
They do exceptionally well off the line!
This channel is turning into one of my favorites.
What about your Jeep Mr. McGyver? V8 swap?
@@-Barracuda-426 I did it with a paperclip. :)
@@ryanthompsonthompson820 😂😂
I agree. He’s really gotten into a zone with the fact based comical narration. I hope he keeps this up for years to come!
Thanks for watching! 👍
HEMI CUDA KENOBI IS TRAINING THE DUSTER. LET THAT JOKE SINK IN.
Haha
At least someone caught that 👍
Dave Dudek was Seen Near The Duster.😉😉
The Duster was set up perfectly for quarter mile racing. I think 71 was the last year of high compression 340's.
True. The owner usually drives a 440-6 Challenger. The featured Duster is actually over 90% original paint!
There were some high compression 340 cars sold in the US in 1972 and ALL 1972 EXPORT 340 cars had high compression. There were three 1972 340's, high compression with a steel crankshaft, low compression with a steel crankshaft and low compression with a cast crankshaft near the end of the 1972 model year.
@@CarsAndZebras Wonder what the compression was in 340? The owner has everything dialed in perfectly. They should run a chassis dyne at those events. That would be super interesting.
@@CarsAndZebras I just love those little 340s. You do a great job on these vids - Thanks
@@VG-iq8xq probably maximum allowed for that car, around 11.8:1
Those 340s are unreal! Notice that we never see a Chevy 327 against a 426 Hemi?
The hemis didn’t breathe till 5000 rpm’s
You mentioned the track test of the ZL1 back in 1969: Then Editor of Hot Rod Magazine, Ro McGonegal, featured a story on the 1969 test in a June 1998 issue. According to Ro, the test was conducted at the Kansas City International Raceway, on what appeared to be a cold off-season day as indicated by the gray skies, bare trees, coats and hats. He stated the ZL1 with headers pumped out 575 hp (vs its factory rating of 430hp). They tried 8" slicks and destroyed them with a best time of 11.64. Furthermore, the car had the TH400 which had a very incompatible factory stall converter, so they even had to resort to "mat the throttle with the transmission in Neutral and then yank the lever into Low" which made things real squirrely. According to Ro, the Chevy press introduced a ZL1-powered corvette later that year with 10" slicks and belted out 10.70 "all day long with idiots at the wheel!"
Yes, I’ve read about that in the past. Those times are definitely achievable with slicks and headers!
I miss kcir I live in Kansas City it's gone been gone for years early 90s we used to grudge race and go down their spectators race my brother's Camaro plenty it was a lot of fun
No headers or slicks at the Pure Stock drags , though this camaro would have fared better if it were an auto instead of a stick.
@@dartgts383 Roger. I think this is why some of the smaller engines often do so well. Some of these big block cars could never reach any real potential without traction or free-flowing exhausts. This is one of the main reasons some of the modern muscle cars do so well in factory trim: much better rubber and nice factory tubed headers rather that the measly cast manifolds!
Badger Bait
Absolutely true , but there’s so few who read that article or the few people who were into street drag racing that are still around who remember the late 60s when the L-88 & aluminum ZL-1 were without debate the most feared.
Back in the day a co-worker had a 340 Duster. That car was quicker than you’d think.
Takes a mopar to catch a mopar.
Aint no Generic Motor Crap catching a mopar
I shit on mopars with my Camaro
@@02WIFE sure you do, son.
And you spent crapmaro wrong
@@Welcometofacsistube Lol I love spanking on Hellcats! The look on the owners faces is priceless
Buick would like a word
@@02WIFE yes ill take things that never happened for 1000 Alex
Oh boy, this one will stir up some crybabies. Can’t wait 😎
The force tells me there will be many upset people with this result.
Not really
It sure will😂😂
@@02WIFE yes really. Too stupid to read/understand comments?
@@lunchsack6861 Fuck that Zl1 and that duster. My Camaro would smoke both.
That Duster was so hot!
Surprising the car is over 90% original paint!
I showed my uncle this channel and now he is addicted to RUclips, watching the cars of his youth race. Plus it has brought him back down to earth when he talks about how fast him and my dad's cars actually were back in the day.
IMPRESSIVE performance from the mopar...but I LOVE that camaro!!
The Camaro is definitely a handful!
Great video! A Duster 340 is a muscle car killer! Thumbs up!
I need an explanation on how a 'stock 340' is running low 12's - that's as fast or faster than a Hemi. What am I missing? Detroit Horsepower outputs peaked in 1970 - adding to my confusion on how a '71 - an even lesser 'stock 340' - is flirting with 11 second quarter times. If the camaro had any traction it could hit 11's - it's also easily pushing 500hp - no chance that 340 comes stock with 500hp.
It's a full on race modified, obviously. The postings (and these events) are bordering on pointless, as levels of modification clearly are not matched up.
I HAD A 1971 DODGE DEMON 340 VERY QUICK CARS . GOOD TRACTION WAS HARD TO GET .BUT IF YOU WANTED TO LIGHT THE TIRES UP FROM TELEPHONE POLE TO TELEPHONE POLE WITH SMOKE BILLOWING OUT OF THE WINDOWS OF THE CAR YOU COULD AND HAD FUN DOING IT .
Back in the day at Drag City I saw the 340`s beat 396 camaro`s and corvettes all day long. Much to the dismay of the Chev fan boys.
Use the force 340! 👍
I thought that Camaro would be running 11's. I am very suprised.
I'm surprised it rans 12s with those Goodyear Polyglas tires! No doubt it would run 11s with a modern drag radial.
Put a set slick on both of them an see what happens.
@@dannyboudreaux5137 Yeah but damn! That Duster is still one quick mother with a small block!!
@@robertpoudrette4483 340s are the big block killer
@ryan Thompson Thompson didn't you hear the man? He said it had major traction issues. That means he couldn't get a grip. Spinning ain't winning.
That duster put a hurtin on that Camaro!!!!!
@Tankmaster 160 so the duster isn't almost a full second faster....you must have voted for biden
@@joshuacohn2004do you have the knowledge to understand the duster is hugely modified while the Camaro is running times one would expect that model to run box stock. That isn't a 340 Duster. It's a race car, dufus.
Wow, that duster was just getting things done, impressive.
If that camaro could've grabbed it would've been a different matter all together. To still run 114 mph is crazy.
Lol if that turd grabbed anything it would puke it's drive train.
@@oveidasinclair982 the car in that race you are referring to was a 70 440 6 pack challenger and that zl1 barely beat the challenger and it was a very close race
COULD'VE SHOULD'VE WOULD'VE D.BAG
That really was a great video you put together. Well done. I can also appreciate the people who race their cars at these events so we can watch, It is quite an achievement what times these people run on those factory tires. Talk about dialing it in. Paul Petcou knows his stuff!!! Some of the comments on here...well are simply cringe worthy. Anyway keep up the good work.
The 340 is most underrated engine built. It is the best engine for beating big block cars
I'd love to see this Duster square-off against the '69 Six Pack Bee and 396 SS Camaro from your July 28th 2020 feature.
Great video that brings back some good memories of my 1970 Duster 318 three speed manual. The 1970, 318 made 245 horse power. It wasn't the strongest motor but was bullet proof. 8 3/4 rear end with 3.23 gears was perfect for my Duster. I could roast the back tires very easily. I wish I had kept it, especially after watching this video.
Brings me back to my teen years. I had a 69 SS Camaro with the L78 and my buddy and arch enemy had a Duster with a built 340. Big blocks rule and I could squeak by him at the drags. Back then I wished I was packing a 427 ZL1 but maybe it wasn’t that big of a deal, he never beat me even with my ability with a Muncie and he had a Winters prepped 727. My best time with slicks 11.04 and I could see his front fender and that little freaking Mopar making me look bad. P.S. love the channel man.
Interesting story! Thanks for watching!
Raven.... You'll probably be down in the 10.s by the end of this Video.
I really miss being a member of the local Mopar Club back in the mid-90's. My friends in the club turned me on to a 1-owner '76 Feather Duster. $250. The owner didn't think it would move under its own power. After checking the fluids, hoses, and belt, I slapped a new battery in it and drove it home (about 12 miles). The only mishap was a giant clump of pine straw and other unknown debris that decided to vacate the vent box and hit me in the face while on I-20. I had the window down, and it exited to whatever fate awaited. Maybe one day I'll own another...
I have been a 340 Mopar fan since my high-school days of the early 70's.
My 340 Challenger put a lot of big blocks to shame at street drags or up to highway speeds and beyond. It was a giant killer.
WOW! Impressive racing on the part of the Duster driver. Totally unexpected. That car could leave the line much quicker, hence winning all three runs.
My 70 Duster pulled the same times with the 4:30 gears.
If I hadn't seen it, I would have never believed it, A 430 hp. camaro with a 4.10 rear and 4 sp.trans same weight, losing to a 340 Duster ? WOW
Another excellent video with two of my favorite cars. I owned a 69 Camaro with a small block 400 and an automatic and also owned a 72 340 duster with a three-speed manual and have to say that the duster with that relatively small engine was quite impressive
One thing I’ve learned from C&Z is never bet against a 340
Camaro needs a driver mod.
I can’t believe how hard that Duster comes charging out of the hole, and on Polyglass tires no less!
In 1976, I was converted to the MOPAR world by a 1970 340 Duster. Beat me soundly. I had a 13 second 57 Chevy.
12.26 from a pure stock Duster, they ran 13.90's or slower in pure stock trim.
I totally agree. I love these cars and these races but a little rationale here. In my experience, there is no possibility of getting a Duster 340 AT to run 12.26 within these rules. Seriously folks, read the rules. You could get some incremental HP with a blue print and balance, the overbore, some ignition and carburetor work, a port and polish of the heads. But nothing that will get you anything close to a 12.26 especially on those tires. Do they do any teardowns? I think not. I had a 70 Duster 340, 4 spd, 3.91 gears. No spare or jack in the trunk, no wipers, not even a radio, no ww fluid, lightest battery that could start it. Could barely crack a 14.5. Bone stock on the E70's with a factory supplied i.e. "hand built" engine for magazine testing i.e. Hot Rod Magazine or such and a supertune with Ronnie Sox on the 4 speed with a soft launch you might get a 14.2 at sea level, cool air. A 12.26 ? With the 3 speed torqueflite? No chance. I have listened to some of these cars at idle or slowly moving through the pits, doesn't sound like a factory cam to me.
@@burningblue1254 here we go, more morons that don’t understand drag racing. The Duster is barely 3200 pounds. You don’t even need 350 net horsepower to hit 12.3 seconds in a car that light. So you’re telling me, a car from the factory making 320 gross horsepower (the real rating, which is around 290 net), with an overbore, compression ratio increased 1.5 points, electronic ignition, mandrel bent exhaust, with complete balancing/blue printing and tuned for 110 octane can’t make 350 net hp? Idiots. And yes, they do require tear downs. Almost every year they ban at least one car.
@@burningblue1254 Like you I love the cars of this era but have to wonder what pure stock means to these guys.
@@therealhonestabe7839 I guess we idiots and morons are healthy skeptics! I will recant my previous statement. It is possible to run the 12.26 since these vehicles are heavily heavily heavily massaged and given the rules. But to run these times and mph requires incredible dedication and testing. I say this because I know a guy running L/SAT with a 67 Chevelle 283 and he has run in the 11.8's. I remember the days of NHRA pure stock which literally amounted to removing your hub caps and pulling out your air filter.
@@burningblue1254 They do inspections if one chooses to go thru the process. The owner of this car, Paul Petcou, knows his stuff and I'll wager that his car has gone thru the certification processes they do or he would have been asked to have the car looked over to continue for the day. They allow these engine to be built to NHRA factory stock spec , ALL the cars are allowed it. There are no roller rockers , no porting of any kind , stock part number carbs , stock cast iron exhaust manifolds and a max 2.5 " exhaust to the rear bumper. As far as an electronic ignition it's either a pertronics type or a factory type box, no MSD or the like is allowed, those cars that have a dual point actually run them as they are better than the electronic ignition you are allowed to use. Cams must the actual advertised lift of the original factory cam. The temperature tells me this may have not been the September race and actually one that was ran in the spring, the air was very good that day. The reproduction bias ply tires they run have a naturally sticky compound as they are made , that's why you don't see anyone but the casual or first time racer at this event running radial tires. I think the F70-14 redlines I have ran me about $500, back in 2006, when I bought a set to race there .
I owned a 1970 Duster 340 which I bought used in1971. That car surprised a lot of people on the street.
Yoda packing some meat heat
HA!
"I see your Schwartz is as big as mine. Now let’s see how well you _handle_ it."
@@monsterram6617
What's that joke I heard or saw a skit of?!
They were calling some dude needle*ick.
He turned around and looked at some chick that was making fun of him too and said : I might have a needle*ick, but I **ck like a sewing machine.
Lol her eyes lit up and she walked out on his arm 😂
Back in 70 I saved and saved from the age of 8 and when I was 15 1/2 me and dad went car shopping and found a 70; 340 4 speed 3.91 gears got my license and put headers on and ran 13.23 @ 104 these cars were so fast enjoyed that car through high school beat a lot of bid blocks ! Go Mopar
God bless you 🇺🇸
How can anyone call a Yenko or COPO "pure stock"?
yea....its kinda bs tbh. if that copo is "pure stock", then the hemi dart is, and the ford equivalent is too.
@@frigglebiscuit7484 ; Yeah, I don't get it. That's like saying the 1965 GT350's are "Pure Stock". Another thing that bugs the hell outta me is the Bow Tie Brigade has claimed for ages how you get more horsepower from any and all Chevy engines for thousands of $$$$$ less than Ford engines. "real fine,409"? Yeah, right....
@@frigglebiscuit7484 read the rule books in most of these freak shows. They specifically target solid lifter Hemi cars and a few Ford's to keep them out of the line up. Most of them got the word Super Stock in their factory terminology. GM cars didn't because of the corporate race ban.
The secret to traction with bias-ply tires was to over-inflate them. Those bias-ply tire spread flat instead of crowning. Ford Drag Team taught me that in 1970 and it worked. My '69 Boss 302 Mustang went near a full second quicker just by over-inflating the tires to 35-38 psi instead of 28 psi.
I'd say the duster is making a lil more than 275 hp , 110 mph trap speed is rolling out... Impressive 340, jack the giant killer.
Yeah, probably around 276 hp 😆
After owning over 300 cars in my life, I narrowed it down to the cars I wanted when I was a youngster. 1971 Duster 340, 1969 Camaro SS396 and a 1969 Mustang Convertible 428CJ. I missed a opportunity to purchase a ZL1 engine when the owner wanted a, new at the time, 572 crate motor. I grew up learning the saying, "You snooze you loose", very well. In other words if you want it, don't think, BUY IT!!! Opportunity may never come again.
HEY DUSTER WON SIMPLE, MOPAR POWER‼️
Astonishing 340 Duster.... More than excellent 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I'd like to see these cars run with drag radials or at least modern street tires.
Over in F.A.S.T., guys chose reproduction tires over radials because they can get better traction with them. The old polyglass tires grip well right before they're bald.
Drag radials would be even better but that's not the spirit of either class.
And there you have it simple the COPO never could get Traction he would have Beaten the Duster if he would have Taken off in Second Gear If he would have loded the Clutch and came off the Line in Second and could actually drive he could have beat the Duster Hands Down I have done the Same with a 70 R/T Challenger 4.10 gears pistol grip and I always used 2nd gear to come off the Line, with Polyglass stock tires they were Blown off through3rd gear no Traction with the COPO Simple.
@@firstvett69 Coulda, woulda, shoulda, but didn't.
@@nathanadrian7797 Eat Shit Moron. You wish you could have but never could afford it.
@@firstvett69 please. all of us that been in the trenches know damn good and well why GM guys don't want no traction. Them sob puke drive train parts like a fat bastard eating at a buffet.
I owned a 340 Duster, 4-speed, w/3.91 sure grip diff. I was able to beat most cars in a race. My car came alum wheels and zero options which got the weight down to about 3100 lbs.
Make sure you join the “Stock Appearing Drag Racers” group on Facebook to support these drivers!
The automatic and upgraded gearing helped the duster win, if these cars were racing further the camaro would have caught and passed it every-time
And this is at the track can you imagine what it would look like if they were on the street
The guy in the Duster had it set up right and knew how to drive and it was tuned right. That ZL1 should have totally smoked the 340.
Haha I used smoke chebbie camaros all night long in a big ol 71 Plymouth Sport Fury with a 440 Super Commando motor in it. No sweat.
340 Duster's and Cuda's are the most underrated muscle cars. But the most fun street cars to actually drive.
Proves that no matter how powerful the car might be, it comes down to the skill of the driver. [Wink.] JMO.
That 340 sounded incredible goin by.
I had a '68 barracuda 340 4speed, although with the lame 3.23...but still it could fire out of the chamber...the A body 340 is an amazing combo
Good ol David vs Goliath match up! Seen this Duster run several times and it's for sure engineered where all components work together,just curious what he has it stroked out to. Another great video of two great cars,keep them coming.
It’s not stroked, that’s not allowed in Pure Stock. Compression ratio pushed to max plus all other mods Pure Stock allows. This is pretty much the quickest a 340 will ever run in this series. I don’t think there’s much more room for improvement.
@@CarsAndZebras thanks for the clarification. Idk why but I was under the impression you could change the internals just not the cam and the outside had to retain all stock components. Anyways thanks for pointing that out and as a Mopar guy I'm even more impressed with that mini wedge that runs like a max.
This channel is turning into one of my favorites.
Goodday C & Z,
What a great race, you know me Mopar or No Car, parked opposite
Bob Jane T Mart on Williamstown Rd
Port Melbourne & if you Google
Bob Jane you would see he bought
2 x Camaro's ZL1's brand new & bought them back to Australia.
Well I am in my Semi having lunch & looking at a genuine Camaro ZL1
Hugger Orange in the front entrance of Bob Jane HQ.
That Duster is a real sweet machine, love to see a Cuda or Challenger
AAR or T/A , 340, 6BBL.
Any of those AAR's or T/A's coming up.
Stay safe & stay warm.
Your number 1 Fan in Australia
Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤
30f (-1C) this morning...and only getting colder. I do have footage of a very cool challenger t/a that you’ll see in the future, but that’ll be a couple months.
@@CarsAndZebras
That is cold, too cold. Beautiful warm, no wind, all blue sky & all sun this morning in Melbourne.
It is going to be 28 degrees today & 30 & 32 the next 2 days.
Pack your bags & head to Australia.
Summer is here, Melbourne the world's most liveable city a couple of years in a row.
Diehard Mopar guy here... when I saw the match up in the title even I figured no way José. But damn, that Duster though! Both cars are awesome, and I wonder about two things: how many rpm was that 340 pulling when it was screaming at half track in 2nd gear, and how far into the 11s would that COPO have gone with a meaty set of slicks 🤔 Great video!
I think that Camaro vs a Mustang BOSS 429 would ve an awsome race..
Exellent vídeo btw CnZ
Thanks again for watching!
Matiacu ; Yup! $7,200 camaro vs $4,700 Boss 429. Winner? Boss 429
@@CarsAndZebras always CnZ
Waiting for your next video
Yep, you could call it the "Battle of the Boat Anchors"
340. The giant killer.
I think we can all agree that the mustang II was a POS
Well .... it did keep the Mustang alive - and the 302 / 4 sp was available - so it could be made into a decent car
sorry but nah. good suspension, light car, v8, good rear end....hot rod, sorry.
I owned many II' s- including 2 King Cobras. Junk? No.. Weak powered? Yes, but one can always build a nice engine, and power..
I did. Loved all of them..
@@thomassmith9243 total POS
@@frigglebiscuit7484 and a POS
impressive camaro, impressive duster, great matchup
In other news, it's reported the Duster was actually driven by Limu Emu
😆
And Doug
Both nice car's, but the Duster get's to me. Back in 1972 my older brother bought a new bright yellow 340 Duster. Loved that car and miss it. In 1976 he went on a German car kick and traded the Duster for a new BMW 2002...What a mistake.
Never i mean never mess with a good running 340. My buddies 69 dart 340 4spd 391 gear even has air cond. Stil clicks off 13 20s at 101 an hes had it since 74. Yes its original
I’ve driven a lot of cars thru the yrs and a Plymouth was the strongest at throttle I’ve driven, I once drove a 65 model Fury 2 door coupe and that damned thing was a rocket.
Nice race! Would have been interesting if the Camaro was running closer to the qualifying ET. Would have been some really close races then!
Plymouth Duster/Dodge Demon 340ci V8 cars were the sleeper "giant killers" of the '70's.
The owner of the Duster really has that car set up. Well done. When reading the rule book it’s just as, if not more important to read what the rules DON’T say vs what they DO say. 😉
That is incredible I definitely would’ve put the money on the ZL 1 .
Needs traction bars on that Camaro. They make a BIG difference!
Sure do because Generic Motor Crap symmetrical leaf springs suck
It definitely would help, but isn’t allowed in Pure Stock racing.
@@CarsAndZebras Makes sense. I didn't know that. Thanks.
@@Welcometofacsistube you're an idiot that's generous motors to the people that respect it
Well yeah cuz they worked so well on that duster..
The 340 was called the Giant killer for a reason.
Just like the original Star Wars trilogy it was 1 to Luke, 1 to Darth and then 1 to Luke. And I had to LOL at Gov. Tarkin ripping one!!!
The smirk on his face says it all......definitely a shart.
Damn! That duster just hunkers down and goes!
He's connected and been reading the factory race bible.
Duster....I am your manufacturer
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Owned a "69 427 back in the day, street raced nearly everything that showed an interest including a 340 duster.....NO contest! That Camaro was wicked fast for the time.
Need more and better merchandise. How about those pure stock racing front plates I see some of the cars sporting?
They give them out to the racers , it comes in your registration packet ... I have one on my 69 Dart GTS ...
340's definitely didn't run like that off the lot, I had two. Definitely well prepped. The ZL1 with slicks is a sub 11's car for sure with over 100hp advantage. Love the 340s though. A friend has a stroked one in an AMC Spirit with nitrous when needed on the street and that thing is a beast at
I owned a 71 Duster in the mid 80's and I'm not surprised by the results. Those 340's made good low and great mid range power.
Definitely an upset!!
I love those 340 Dusters, I think I would rather have one of those over any other muscle car - except for a 427 Shelby Cobra, Chevy 409, Buick stage 1 455 Gran Sport, a '69 SS Chevelle L78, a '67 SS Chevelle 427, '65 Vette with the 396, any ZR1 Vette, 421 SD tri powered Poncho, '62/63 Plymouth with the 426 wedge or, or, or, or, or, !
God as my witness, I didn't know the Duster could perform that well. I beat 2 back in the day on roll racing.
Out of all the cars in Pure Stock this year (around 108-109 in total) this car by far had the fastest 60 foot time. 1.77 seconds....... and the next closest was around 1.85!
slope 6 cars driven by elderly females.
Congrats on beating 2 Slant sixes.
@@ExMxer3 no dude, I beat a 6 pack with a 68 RT