The Charger would of beat the Chevelle it's just the guy don't know how to drive you can tell by the all over times a guy that know's what he's doing can run consecutive numbers
I am a life-long Chrysler fan, and I remember these cars from when they were new, but watching these videos has made me realize how much of a weight disadvantage Chrysler products have across the board. They are almost always heavier than the cars they are racing.
seems the Chevy had the right combination of hp, rear end, weight and tire it hooked up well and had enough grunt to sustain, beautiful car.... I'd like to have a '71 anything that could consistently run 13's and get groceries too
Great classics but you can see under both hoods emissions are already showing up by 1971. With the exception of the 455 HD by 73 smog mostly killed the great HP wars.
An old Mopar and Hemi owner here... even today, after all these years, I still can't muster any excitement for anything Mopar after 1970. After year after that, and you can have them - even with a 440-6V or Hemi. (Personally, I'd pull those motors and put them in an earlier, more worthy Dodge/Plymouth!) I knew from the start my money would be on the Chevelle.
wrong.......they were great all they way through 74, you just had to undo the government hp killing laws. no big deal.they were still beautiful looking cars. early to mid 60's weren't fast or pretty. doesn't mean they weren't great cars too.
Much more realistic ET's for "pure stock" cars. My factory original '70 Chevelle LS-5, SS-454, M-22 car ran comparable but quicker times at the drag strip than the '71 SS-454 in the video did. Maybe it was due to the 4 speed in my car, but I had a heck of a time launching the car without going up in smoke. Sure was fun beating up on those Mopars and Fords though. :)
I own a 70 LS5 SS454 with a automatic, 331 gears and it runs about the same number as the 71 in this video. Everyone drools over the LS6 engine (and rightly so) but, on the street, from stoplight to stoplight, the oval port heads of the LS5 do much better. Only at higher rpms will the square ports and solid lift cam in the LS6 be a benefit.
@@CarsAndZebras - You would think the Charger would have the advantage with 4.10 gears vs the Chevelle's 3.31 gears. My Chevelle had 3.31 gears as well and had one heck of a time launching without a lot of tire spin. One time I short shifted from 1st to 2nd hoping to avoid going up in smoke. Big mistake. I must have shifted right at the peak torque point of the engine and the tires broke loose causing the car to get sideways about 100 to 150 feet down the strip. Sure wasn't expecting that. My best times were when I bogged the engine off the line. My best ET was 13.21 but I consistently ran 13.30's and 13.40's on street radials.
you are correct... there is a 390 hp vette Q-jet intake on my motor..there is no performance gain v the cast iron. other then 20 lbs or so..and it creates a much better looking engine bay in my opinion....
I dont mind the ads, it helps the creators out, but (and I am in no way trying to make this political) you can see what direction RUclips is trying to push us, just like FB! I wish I could just block the ones from the left!
The Chargers 4.10 rear end seemed to do pretty good off the line, but once they got rolling, the cubic inch displacement of the big block chevy took over. If the Chevelle had a 4.10 rear end, it wouldn't even be close.
True, but the Chrysler driver got bit by having all that gear in the second race, as he was fish tailing like crazy at the start. That's why he only ran 16 seconds in that race. He scrubbed about 500 miles off the rear tires trying to get them to grip the road.
@@davegeisler7802The 440s are torque monsters. A good running, WELL driven 440 magnum with 3.23 gears will run mid thirteens all day. My father's did.
Finally someone that knows drag racing. The Chevelle had much higher trap times which tells the tale. If the mopar was trapping higher mph and still losing then that means traction problems
I'm not a big fan of Chargers before 68 n after 70, and the later ones also weighed in at around 500lbs more than the previous model years and doesn't surprise me that it lost them all. I got my first car in 1981 and was a 68, so I know a bit about them and are pretty special to me. Actually I've owned two of em and got the 2nd one in the late 90s, which was an RT with built 440 & added six pk and was a badass Mopar. Plus she was a 4 speed car, and a total blast to drive 💪🏼😎
I had that same T handle shifter in my Dodge Challenger. The handle would split in the middle and make you miss a shift. I traded mine in for a Dodge Magnum handle that was a stainless ball with a button. Never missed a shift again. It almost made me wreck. My car had a reverse manual valve body and I was getting off the freeway and it missed 2 and went into 1st and I was fishtailing to and fro, wet roads too. Everything was puckerd lol but I pulled through it.
Actually, the LS5 was just underrated in 1970. It was listed as making 360 hp in the Chevelle. Exact same engine in the Corvette was rated at 390. The truth is the engine probably made about 400 hp in 1970, especially if the owner swapped the stock cast iron exhaust manifold for just about any set of headers available. Which was a very common Day 2 upgrade back in the day.
@@bobo44donemilking51 not surprising, there were only a couple cars back then that could really utilize 4.10/4.11 gears in the quarter and not top out... L78s, hemis, etc
What I got from this, the chevelle has a weaker 454, problem one with 1971, the hydraulic lifters, problem two not necessarily just 1971 but this holds it back, it has weaker gearing with the 3:31, and with the auto it is pretty clear that the car is more for comfort, it’s a convertible as well, still a really nice car but this shows how it is put aside from something faster. Love this guys channel
There was a hard top 71 Chevelle in my neighborhood just like this one, but had a 350 I believe. Same butterscotch color, same wheels. Beautiful car, but I prefer the 70. But my all time fave was the 66!
Nice Mopar. I too had Chevys that were daily drivers but I got to where I wanted more of a variety than just driving to the shop and home, so I got something else.
I have a 1970 Challenger RT with the pistol grip with four to date a Dana 410 rear end this thing gets from 0 to 70 pretty damn fast but you don’t want to cruise down the freeway at much over 70 miles an hour but it’s a great daily driver although I don’t drive it daily it is super comfortable
Love the video. But, (@5:58) I know this is only a steering wheel, but my Road Runner had this wheel. It was a option & it was called a ‘Tuff’ steering wheel. Loved that thing, it was smaller diameter & it just felt great for its time!
Ya know, the whole diamond thing and spending 1/4 to 1/3 of a year’s salary for a pretty ring that serves NO purpose for a guy other than to put a big smile on the jeweler’s face. This is just a wretched marketing scam that sucks in so many young men it’s absolutely pathetic. If only our fathers would point this out to us BEFORE we get sucked in. Geez, buy her a pretty gold ring and get her a better car to drive after you’re married.
Charger was severely traction limited. I suspect the owner didnt spring for the factory looking stock soft compound tires $$$. The Chevelle owner clearly did and much more, good for him. This allows the viewer to see the Chevelle owner was sandbagging by quite a bit.
WHAT A GREAT VIDEO! and i love your commentary, funny stuff!! if i would have known thats what your plans were i could have given you more info on the cars...first i brought 2 of our cars too the race. the 71 SS454 and our 65 396 corvette roadster..having 2 cars there caused a driver issue. so a buddy drove the chevelle for me.. i told him too just leave it in drive,and run it...he had a blast it was his first trip down a strip...so that left me with the 65. any way, the chevelle qualified with a 14.51 leaving it drive... so sat am during time trials i thought i would run it. well i clicked off a 13.73 at 101 mph.. thats .78 gain by shifting the auto manually... well when race time came we put both cars in line and my buddy moved one while i raced the other. i would fly back after a pass and jump in the other car! it was a blast...the charger was a gorgeous ORIGINAL PAINT CAR! the owner was a great guy that has done these races
sorry computer kicked me off. so as i was saying, the charger has done these races before. his car had 4.10 gears and weighed 4100 lbs with the driver in it at the race scales, and i would put the owner at about 250-275 lbs.. our chevelle has 3.31 gears and went across stantons race scales at 4250 with me in it,, and i weight 245 lbs. he was driving the snot out of that charger the first 2 races, but could not catch me..the 3rd race he put a "HIRED GUN" LOL! a great guy that was racing 3 cars there with his wife and daughter also. the new driver prob only weighed 130 lbs soaking wet..thats why the 3rd race is closer, lighter and maybe a bit more seat time..what a great time we had at stanton. 3 weeks later i took the chevelle too the martin F.A.S.T. race were the car ran consistant 13.52s with nothing changed on the car,just better track prep. [cant go any faster now unless a roll bar is installed, not happening] the F.A.S.T. guys are a great group and i plan on doing more of these races in the future..AND YES, MY WIFE DRIVES THIS CAR TO WORK AT THE LOCAL CHEVY DEALERSHIP EVERY NICE DAY SHE CAN. AND IT GETS 11MPG OR better at times..thanks
@@20round6 - glad you found the video! I’ll have a video featuring the Corvette in the future, people will definitely want to see that. What rear gear are you running in the Corvette? I did not make it out to the fall FAST drags, but yeah, Martin It’s always a much faster track. There’s always at least a little headwind over at Stanton, and it isn’t quite as sticky.
@@CarsAndZebras i cant wait too see the 65! i struggled getting that down the track, that car has a ton of power. the 65 has 4.10s [original] and its not enough gear it needs 4.56s. wheel spin was terrible, i grab 3rd and about put it in the wall. the car weighed 3550 with me in it. i tried getting down the track with the original gold lines but no luck, so i ended up borrowing a set of tires from donny brass, and that helped a ton. it went from 14.20 i think too, 13.30s . so thats why there are knock offs on the front and steel on the back.. and it is a real numbers 396 car..
Now change DRIVERS from each car. The guy in the Charger was obviously NOT a real driver. What a PUTZ. He spun the tires all the way through first gear a couple times. I have seen girls drive MUCH better ... for real.
Love both cars. But I love it more when Mopar lose hahaha love to hear all the excuses on why they lost. From driver error, " no way that other car is stock" etc etc every excuse in the book lol. He got smoked 3 zip by the heavier convertible . Hahahah but again both cars rock
Me: Is watching the 3rd drag race about to happen The cameo white Early second gen trans am that just pulled up in the background against a buick: Hello Also forgive me if im wrong it's hard to tell what the car on the left lane is. The Trans Am was instantly recognized however.
In about 1982? I found one the same color as this when I was working in northern Canada. It had a bad wiring harness. 440, six pack four gear, Dana. It was mostly Perfect. I Begged my Dad to help me buy it. He perhaps wisely said no. When I got back up their the Locals had stripped the motor out for a Truck and Crushed the Rest, I Cried.
Lol damn that charger is a friggin tank and weighs as much as my Challenger SRT8, which is shocking for the time period. I know that the b-body cars were heavier than the other platforms, but didn't think that any of them quite reached 4k. My first car was a 68 and owned two of them over the years. The curb weight on them is around 3, 600, so they definitely gained some weight with the ugly new design of 71. The second one might have weighed a little more because it was an RT, with built 440 and added six pk. 68 to 70 are hot looking, but didn't like the look much before or after that
Nice cars, poor traction, that said MPH is a good indicator of power. For reference I ran a stock 1999 Lexus LS400 with a 290hp net 4.0 V8 down Royal Purple Racetrack dragstrip with a best pass of 14.22 @ 99.4mph on a 2.19 60ft weighed on track scale with me in it just a touch over 4000lbs. Oh, the car came stock with 3.27 gears and 225/60-16 all season radials.
That’s interesting because I keep wanting to do a mild build on an old LS400. Most of those cars and forged internals and can definitely take a beating.
@@CarsAndZebras Yes, the block has 6 bolt main caps, 4 vertical and 2 cross bolts on a deep skirt block. Factory forged crank. The early engines 1990 -1994 did not make much power stock, 230hp (over rated at 250hp) but had the stronger sintered connecting rods and cast pistons. 95 and up have skinny rods and lighter pistons. Best bet is turbocharge and early engine good for an honest and reliable 500rwhp if properly tuned/fuel/timing.
@CC Ryder Yes, port injection, variable valve timing on the intake as well as a dual path long/short runner intake manifold, long for low rpm torque and short for 4000-6200rpm power. That said, it is power to weight ratio and at 4000lbs my Lexus put down similar numbers to these 2 cars trapping low 14s at 100mph.
The booth announcer always likes to try to start a conversation with himself at the start of the race. Like the race almost catches him off guard every time
I'd take either one. I remember the first 'Earth Day' in 1970 when the hippy kids had a table set up in front of the school building sharing scare stories. The EPA was created and that was the end of the muscle cars for a while. From 1969 to 1971 was like a dream. Darned hippy kids.
gutted early 90's honda civics would run these numbers with with bolt ons. Now we can buy cars with close to a thousand horsepower and a factory warranty that run nearly half the et. glad to see the old iron out getting used and not hidden away only to be seen at an occasional show.
Both these cars rock! But I love it when Mopars lose hahaha Mopar fans have every excuse on why they lost. The driver sucked, the other car definitely wasn't stock etc etc. He got shut out vs the heavier convertible. But both cars are beauties
Did you see the Chevy had radials on it and the Dodge had the old bias plys on it? Huge traction advantage for the Chevelle. You can see the Charger's tires spinning all the way through first gear and it's not even a 4 speed so it's not the driver. With good tires on the Dodge that heavy convertible wouldn't stand a chance against that 440 Charger
He was having a lot of problems launching that Charger. He had to let off more than once. I don't know if he was going through the water in prep or not but that doesn't usually work well with street tires.
4:39 ...fine piece of engineering with almost 2 feets of empty space between the rad and the grill :space efficient for sure .It would amaze me if a BMW Goldfisch V16 were there .
Had a 73 charger back in 86 when I was a teenager. We used to sneak through party road blocks by stashing 2, 12 packs of beer in that empty space between the radiator and grill. Get a mile down the road and pop the hood and pull em out. The police never caught on. They would look in the car and the trunk but never under the hood..
Funny how seeing these cars race is kind of a big deal now. In 1978 it was just high school. My first car was a gold w/ black striped chevelle. My second was a torino gt.
@@CarsAndZebras Reaction times OK but he's not driving off the line as someone with some seat time would with that rear end. Could be still learning his car.
I couldn't see in the first race because a guy walked in front of the camera but the second race it look like they both got off the line about the same time actually the Charger looked like it may have had a quicker reaction time than the Chevelle on the second race just by watching the front end of the cars so I think the dude was awake the Chevelle was just better
thats not fair ! the charger have not made a burn out ! and use polyglas tirers. and the chevelle runs on radials ! crazy to see the different from the 1971 454 golden chevelle covertable to the 1970 396 green coupe from the video vs with the gsX
Me thinks the Charger's 4:10 gears with the street tires caused significant tire spin on the launch and also affected his ability to catch the Chevelle on the second half?
A handful of Six Packs/Six Barrels were sold in '72 (330 hp) before Mother Mopar pulled the plug. 1972 literature listed the three carb option, at least early on.
Maybe, but then you've got a lot of liability issues. There are times when the owners of the cars have other people drive them, or even other drag races from other heats take the wheel.
Cool video and I loved watching the cars race, but @ about the 6:47 mark, the video states that engine is the "base" 440 w/4-bbl, yet at the beginning of the RT section, you state the engine is 375hp. If its the base engine, wouldn't it be 350 HP? I've always understood the 440's were; base 4-bbl @ 350 hp, "Hi-Po" 4-bbl @ 375 hp and "Six Pack" @ 390 HP. ...did something change for '71?
@Curtis Fleabag I've seen this trick before. This is what happens when you pick your 440 out of smogdog New Yorker or a motor home. Runs like a cast crank motor.
I had a 71 440 Charger 🥹 I miss that car. With the 3:55 gears she was slow off the line but man she would roll once she got going. I’d pass those fox body mustangs once it hit 3rd 😂
But the question would be if those polys are bias ply, or reproduction radials from Coker to look vintage. I suspect bias ply based on how it’s acting.
I kinda figured the Chevelle would spank the Charger only because I drove a stock 71 440 Charger RT Back in the late 70's... didn't really impress me...
Sorry, but I have a hard time believing the Chevelle has the stock 1971 spec LS5 engine with a CR of 8.5:1. Based on the 1/4 mile performance, the Chevy in this video has horsepower at the wheels in the neighborhood of 285, which means roughly 365 net horsepower at the flywheel.
You ever own a big block chevy? Advance the timing on that low compression hydraulic cammed engine and she will keep pulling especially with the big heads .
My 1st car ....1970 dodge charger 440 R/T 4sp Traded it after 10-12 months for 1970 L6 chevelle 454 4sp. ....you could cruse all day with 2 tanks of gas My favorite? maybe the charger ....payed$995
Like all the video's on this site, and not uncommon to other sites, it's the the drivers! You can have the greatest match up of all times but if the drivers aren't as good as the cars they are driving, results become misleading. I will give you a perfect example. The year is 1968, the cars are a 300hp , 4 speed, corvette, with 3.50 something rear gears. Was my brothers car, that I often sneaked out of the garage, when he went to work! Know he finally knows! LOL!! The match up was a 67 GTO with a 400, with .30 overbore with a bigger cam and 3.55 gears. I can't believe, he said he took down Judge GTO's with this car! I knew my completion, he was lousy at shifting, both cars were 4 speeds. Best out of 3 and he bailed after i took him in the first 2 runs, I pocketed 40.00 dollars! WHY? Easy, I knew my competition, he was know for really bad shifting, and I was know as the best in town. So, a mere 300 HP 67 Vette, took down a 67 GTO 400, with a big cam and A 0.30 OVERBORE, WHICH BY THE NUMBERS, SHOULD HAVE never HAPPENED. Know YOUR COMPETITION, AND TAKE THE CHANCE, WHEN MONEY IS ON THE LINE! I am east of Pittsburgh Pa. and at almost 70, will out shift anyone! You have a good car and a good transmission, I am the one who will make it talk! I was 18 then, and still spot On today, have a 81 Rat Vette and a 66 GTO and i will Go out, in the fast lane!!
Interesting matchup this week! What is your favorite year for the Chevelle and for the Charger? We’re on instagram: search “carsandzebras”
I actually like the ‘69 Chevelle most, and the early year Chargers
Nice choice!
I'll take me a 67 Chevelle SS please and a 68 Charger R/T.
@@ct87gn25 great picks! 👍
@MRO the ‘71-72 have really grown on me the last few years.
Somewhere in Nashville, Uncle Tony is crying.
The Charger would of beat the Chevelle it's just the guy don't know how to drive you can tell by the all over times a guy that know's what he's doing can run consecutive numbers
@@sausageboy6741 lol Uncle Tony's garage, and is mostly focused on Mopar cars
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@@CarsAndZebras He lets people plug their youtube channels on his Sunday night livestream. You could post in his chat and get him watching.
Let UT get ahold of that motor for a bit. Bet he could squeeze a little more out of it.
Uncle tony spreads misinformation
I am a life-long Chrysler fan, and I remember these cars from when they were new, but watching these videos has made me realize how much of a weight disadvantage Chrysler products have across the board. They are almost always heavier than the cars they are racing.
seems the Chevy had the right combination of hp, rear end, weight and tire it hooked up well and had enough grunt to sustain, beautiful car.... I'd like to have a '71 anything that could consistently run 13's and get groceries too
Great combo. I think running 13s in this car is pretty impressive!
@@CarsAndZebras also, don't forget the rag top cars were a few hundred pounds heavier than the coupes.
i take a 13.99 all day and groceries too
You will be quick. Just remember, there will always be a car or two that can be ale you.
@@gerritstell6248 but maybe not in my little town
That 454 screams! gotta love GM big blocks. the LS6 and even the LS5 are excellent performers💯
Have Brodie headed dual quad 468 clone I'm ready 2 💉
Ls 6 mechanical cam
Buddy said ls5 best it gets. 😂No no. 70 ls6 was as good as it got
@@andrewmacarthur1976 yea haha you can’t even compare them the ls6 is better than half the performance engines today
L88 Vette 🏁 would smoke both the LS5 and LS6 Chevelle , it wouldnt even be close !
Great classics but you can see under both hoods emissions are already showing up by 1971. With the exception of the 455 HD by 73 smog mostly killed the great HP wars.
An old Mopar and Hemi owner here... even today, after all these years, I still can't muster any excitement for anything Mopar after 1970. After year after that, and you can have them - even with a 440-6V or Hemi. (Personally, I'd pull those motors and put them in an earlier, more worthy Dodge/Plymouth!)
I knew from the start my money would be on the Chevelle.
wrong.......they were great all they way through 74, you just had to undo the government hp killing laws. no big deal.they were still beautiful looking cars. early to mid 60's weren't fast or pretty. doesn't mean they weren't great cars too.
Cool cars! You’re right, that Chevelle is a perfect daily driver.
I definitely would not mind driving that car every day
Chevelle still won....but at least in Round 3 the person in the Dodge was awake at the start....
Waking up isn't going to lower the ET.it only affects the reaction time
i think the chevelle took it easy on him in that last race
@@discmotoslots The start didn't matter the shovel pulled away every time especially on the big end
I love seeing a Chevelle conquer the drag strip! Chevy all the way.
Much more realistic ET's for "pure stock" cars. My factory original '70 Chevelle LS-5, SS-454, M-22 car ran comparable but quicker times at the drag strip than the '71 SS-454 in the video did. Maybe it was due to the 4 speed in my car, but I had a heck of a time launching the car without going up in smoke. Sure was fun beating up on those Mopars and Fords though. :)
Looks like the Chevelle had some decent launches, but that Charger was struggling to hook
I own a 70 LS5 SS454 with a automatic, 331 gears and it runs about the same number as the 71 in this video.
Everyone drools over the LS6 engine (and rightly so) but, on the street, from stoplight to stoplight, the oval port heads of the LS5 do much better. Only at higher rpms will the square ports and solid lift cam in the LS6 be a benefit.
@@CarsAndZebras - You would think the Charger would have the advantage with 4.10 gears vs the Chevelle's 3.31 gears. My Chevelle had 3.31 gears as well and had one heck of a time launching without a lot of tire spin. One time I short shifted from 1st to 2nd hoping to avoid going up in smoke. Big mistake. I must have shifted right at the peak torque point of the engine and the tires broke loose causing the car to get sideways about 100 to 150 feet down the strip. Sure wasn't expecting that. My best times were when I bogged the engine off the line. My best ET was 13.21 but I consistently ran 13.30's and 13.40's on street radials.
If people could stop getting up during racing, that would be great!!!
🤣 but seriously, it was terrible this year. People were standing all the time and it was driving me nuts!
Agreed!
Gotta love the old cars.
Damn that Chevelle is loaded,power windows,tilt & cruise,probably more
I had a 71 chevelle hardtop in 1979 . brings back great memories! thanks for the videos.
Thanks for watching!
@@CarsAndZebras great channel you started. once again, thanks for the videos.
Charger guy needs more seat time.
Meh, I think a good set a tires would make a huge difference with that car.
Lol all he's doing is stomping on it... And the Chevelle is pulling away every time
Mph is a little low not making much power.
big time that guy don't know how to drive
Was thinking the same thing. Totally dropped the ball on the launch!
Did anyone else notice the aluminum intake manifold on the Chevelle? Those cars came with a cast iron piece from the factory, casting # ended in 287.
you are correct... there is a 390 hp vette Q-jet intake on my motor..there is no performance gain v the cast iron. other then 20 lbs or so..and it creates a much better looking engine bay in my opinion....
The 454 sounded. Great blasting down the track!!!
And damn it Bernie, I'm not voting for you so stay off the videos I'm watching!
Damn right. Or any Democrat for that matter
I wish there was a way to block political ads
@@RedXray oh COME ON DUDE! 😆
I dont mind the ads, it helps the creators out, but (and I am in no way trying to make this political) you can see what direction RUclips is trying to push us, just like FB! I wish I could just block the ones from the left!
Cars And Zebras I agree with him, but I also agree with you. Politics has no place here.
The Chargers 4.10 rear end seemed to do pretty good off the line, but once they got rolling, the cubic inch displacement of the big block chevy took over. If the Chevelle had a 4.10 rear end, it wouldn't even be close.
True, but the Chrysler driver got bit by having all that gear in the second race, as he was fish tailing like crazy at the start.
That's why he only ran 16 seconds in that race. He scrubbed about 500 miles off the rear tires trying to get them to grip the road.
440s always lose on the big end , not enough torque . The Hemi doesnt have that problem and would have given the Chevelle SS all it could handle.
@@davegeisler7802 street hemis stock were dogs
@@gearyheidinewaccount3237 not up top they weren’t , they would run you down on the big end just like the L88 🏁
@@davegeisler7802The 440s are torque monsters. A good running, WELL driven 440 magnum with 3.23 gears will run mid thirteens all day. My father's did.
let me at that Dodge , i will get it to hook
Love seeing third generation Charger. Chevelles and Camaros are everywhere.
Mopar doesn’t have a chance with all the traction in the world. 93mph trap isn’t going to get it done! Cool race
Finally someone that knows drag racing. The Chevelle had much higher trap times which tells the tale. If the mopar was trapping higher mph and still losing then that means traction problems
Yes, u can spin and still whined up with similar trap times
Yeah, the Chevelle was killin it on the top end. That's one fine LS-5.
I'm not a big fan of Chargers before 68 n after 70, and the later ones also weighed in at around 500lbs more than the previous model years and doesn't surprise me that it lost them all. I got my first car in 1981 and was a 68, so I know a bit about them and are pretty special to me. Actually I've owned two of em and got the 2nd one in the late 90s, which was an RT with built 440 & added six pk and was a badass Mopar. Plus she was a 4 speed car, and a total blast to drive
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I had that same T handle shifter in my Dodge Challenger. The handle would split in the middle and make you miss a shift. I traded mine in for a Dodge Magnum handle that was a stainless ball with a button. Never missed a shift again. It almost made me wreck. My car had a reverse manual valve body and I was getting off the freeway and it missed 2 and went into 1st and I was fishtailing to and fro, wet roads too. Everything was puckerd lol but I pulled through it.
In 1971 the 440 lost 5 h.p. 375 to 370. The LS5 454 gained 5 h.p. 360 to 365. That puts these 2 cars very close on paper.
👍 It’s interesting because their gross horsepower is similar, but a pretty big difference in net horsepower.
Actually, the LS5 was just underrated in 1970. It was listed as making 360 hp in the Chevelle. Exact same engine in the Corvette was rated at 390. The truth is the engine probably made about 400 hp in 1970, especially if the owner swapped the stock cast iron exhaust manifold for just about any set of headers available. Which was a very common Day 2 upgrade back in the day.
Hmmm...13.75 ain't too bad. Makes me feel better about the 71 SS454 I once had. Never got to clock it, just knew it was fast.
The driver makes all the difference. Hats off to those who do it well.
My 70 ss 454 never lost to a charger make in the day either
What sort of times did it used to run?
@@CarsAndZebras I never took it too the dragstrip ,it was my first car I was 17 years at that time
@@CarsAndZebras it had 4:11 gears it topped out at a quarter mile
@@bobo44donemilking51 not surprising, there were only a couple cars back then that could really utilize 4.10/4.11 gears in the quarter and not top out... L78s, hemis, etc
What I got from this, the chevelle has a weaker 454, problem one with 1971, the hydraulic lifters, problem two not necessarily just 1971 but this holds it back, it has weaker gearing with the 3:31, and with the auto it is pretty clear that the car is more for comfort, it’s a convertible as well, still a really nice car but this shows how it is put aside from something faster. Love this guys channel
They changed the hp rating in 71 and the compression was dropped.331 gear is fine.you put a 373 gear with those tires and you will not hook .
There was a hard top 71 Chevelle in my neighborhood just like this one, but had a 350 I believe. Same butterscotch color, same wheels. Beautiful car, but I prefer the 70. But my all time fave was the 66!
Those first couple generations of the Chevelle we’re all pretty nice cars, each fairly unique.
Like the 70 and 71 chevelle l know the higher compression in the 70 is better but l much prefer the back lights and bumper on the 71
@@gloriamaletta8667 yeah I agree, but I liked the dual headlights of the 70. Take the 70 front end and the 71 back end and 😍😍😍
I liked the 68-69 SS396 Chevelle's the best...either a 375 horse L78 or even better yet a 69 Chevelle COPO 427
I had a 71 Chevelle... was my college car. Sure do miss that guy.
That Charger got SMOKED totally got a "40HP advantage"
This car is awesome as hell! I put the convertible top on it! And it’s always across the street from my shop! Troy has a gem there!!!
Nice guy. Here’s his other car (the Corvette), if you didn’t already know:
ruclips.net/video/SOonwztXUL8/видео.html
Both cars are awesome....I'll still take the Charger R/T. And drive it to victory !
Nice Mopar. I too had Chevys that were daily drivers but I got to where I wanted more of a variety than just driving to the shop and home, so I got something else.
I have a 1970 Challenger RT with the pistol grip with four to date a Dana 410 rear end this thing gets from 0 to 70 pretty damn fast but you don’t want to cruise down the freeway at much over 70 miles an hour but it’s a great daily driver although I don’t drive it daily it is super comfortable
Love the video. But, (@5:58) I know this is only a steering wheel, but my Road Runner had this wheel. It was a option & it was called a ‘Tuff’ steering wheel. Loved that thing, it was smaller diameter & it just felt great for its time!
And what you said about the diamond commercials couldn’t be more true! 🤣
👍..... He went to Jared = 💩
@Laker Madness HA! 🤣
Ya know, the whole diamond thing and spending 1/4 to 1/3 of a year’s salary for a pretty ring that serves NO purpose for a guy other than to put a big smile on the jeweler’s face. This is just a wretched marketing scam that sucks in so many young men it’s absolutely pathetic. If only our fathers would point this out to us BEFORE we get sucked in. Geez, buy her a pretty gold ring and get her a better car to drive after you’re married.
Charger was severely traction limited. I suspect the owner didnt spring for the factory looking stock soft compound tires $$$. The Chevelle owner clearly did and much more, good for him. This allows the viewer to see the Chevelle owner was sandbagging by quite a bit.
that charger must've had the aircon running
WHAT A GREAT VIDEO! and i love your commentary, funny stuff!! if i would have known thats what your plans were i could have given you more info on the cars...first i brought 2 of our cars too the race. the 71 SS454 and our 65 396 corvette roadster..having 2 cars there caused a driver issue. so a buddy drove the chevelle for me.. i told him too just leave it in drive,and run it...he had a blast it was his first trip down a strip...so that left me with the 65. any way, the chevelle qualified with a 14.51 leaving it drive... so sat am during time trials i thought i would run it. well i clicked off a 13.73 at 101 mph.. thats .78 gain by shifting the auto manually... well when race time came we put both cars in line and my buddy moved one while i raced the other. i would fly back after a pass and jump in the other car! it was a blast...the charger was a gorgeous ORIGINAL PAINT CAR! the owner was a great guy that has done these races
sorry computer kicked me off.
so as i was saying, the charger has done these races before. his car had 4.10 gears and weighed 4100 lbs with the driver in it at the race scales, and i would put the owner at about 250-275 lbs.. our chevelle has 3.31 gears and went across stantons race scales at 4250 with me in it,, and i weight 245 lbs. he was driving the snot out of that charger the first 2 races, but could not catch me..the 3rd race he put a "HIRED GUN" LOL! a great guy that was racing 3 cars there with his wife and daughter also. the new driver prob only weighed 130 lbs soaking wet..thats why the 3rd race is closer, lighter and maybe a bit more seat time..what a great time we had at stanton. 3 weeks later i took the chevelle too the martin F.A.S.T. race were the car ran consistant 13.52s with nothing changed on the car,just better track prep. [cant go any faster now unless a roll bar is installed, not happening] the F.A.S.T. guys are a great group and i plan on doing more of these races in the future..AND YES, MY WIFE DRIVES THIS CAR TO WORK AT THE LOCAL CHEVY DEALERSHIP EVERY NICE DAY SHE CAN. AND IT GETS 11MPG OR better at times..thanks
@@20round6 - glad you found the video! I’ll have a video featuring the Corvette in the future, people will definitely want to see that. What rear gear are you running in the Corvette? I did not make it out to the fall FAST drags, but yeah, Martin It’s always a much faster track. There’s always at least a little headwind over at Stanton, and it isn’t quite as sticky.
@@CarsAndZebras i cant wait too see the 65! i struggled getting that down the track, that car has a ton of power. the 65 has 4.10s [original] and its not enough gear it needs 4.56s. wheel spin was terrible, i grab 3rd and about put it in the wall. the car weighed 3550 with me in it. i tried getting down the track with the original gold lines but no luck, so i ended up borrowing a set of tires from donny brass, and that helped a ton. it went from 14.20 i think too, 13.30s . so thats why there are knock offs on the front and steel on the back.. and it is a real numbers 396 car..
@@20round6 - thanks for the info, I’ll have to look over my footage. Hopefully put that one out in the next few weeks
Now change DRIVERS from each car. The guy in the Charger was obviously NOT a real driver. What a PUTZ. He spun the tires all the way through first gear a couple times. I have seen girls drive MUCH better ... for real.
I agree , if you switched drivers ( dodge would take it) good way to show the difference in drivers.
Love both cars. But I love it more when Mopar lose hahaha love to hear all the excuses on why they lost. From driver error, " no way that other car is stock" etc etc every excuse in the book lol. He got smoked 3 zip by the heavier convertible . Hahahah but again both cars rock
Coming from the real Wolf....I believe this Charger has a Torqueflight Automatic transmission. So he wasn't the problem once he got going.
Piss poor tires maybe?
@@slayer7694 If you paid attention the Charger was 300 pounds heavier
Me: Is watching the 3rd drag race about to happen
The cameo white Early second gen trans am that just pulled up in the background against a buick: Hello
Also forgive me if im wrong it's hard to tell what the car on the left lane is. The Trans Am was instantly recognized however.
396 was one bad engine, back in its day, seen them blow away bbf and bbd engines away......
In about 1982? I found one the same color as this when I was working in northern Canada.
It had a bad wiring harness. 440, six pack four gear, Dana. It was mostly Perfect.
I Begged my Dad to help me buy it. He perhaps wisely said no. When I got back up their the
Locals had stripped the motor out for a Truck and Crushed the Rest, I Cried.
Lol damn that charger is a friggin tank and weighs as much as my Challenger SRT8, which is shocking for the time period. I know that the b-body cars were heavier than the other platforms, but didn't think that any of them quite reached 4k. My first car was a 68 and owned two of them over the years. The curb weight on them is around
3, 600, so they definitely gained some weight with the ugly new design of 71. The second one might have weighed a little more because it was an RT, with built 440 and added six pk. 68 to 70 are hot looking, but didn't like the look much before or after that
Yeah, this car is pretty heavy. You would think that it would get traction a little easier with all of that weight
Nice cars, poor traction, that said MPH is a good indicator of power. For reference I ran a stock 1999 Lexus LS400 with a 290hp net 4.0 V8 down Royal Purple Racetrack dragstrip with a best pass of 14.22 @ 99.4mph on a 2.19 60ft weighed on track scale with me in it just a touch over 4000lbs. Oh, the car came stock with 3.27 gears and 225/60-16 all season radials.
That’s interesting because I keep wanting to do a mild build on an old LS400. Most of those cars and forged internals and can definitely take a beating.
@@CarsAndZebras Yes, the block has 6 bolt main caps, 4 vertical and 2 cross bolts on a deep skirt block. Factory forged crank. The early engines 1990 -1994 did not make much power stock, 230hp (over rated at 250hp) but had the stronger sintered connecting rods and cast pistons. 95 and up have skinny rods and lighter pistons. Best bet is turbocharge and early engine good for an honest and reliable 500rwhp if properly tuned/fuel/timing.
@CC Ryder Yes, port injection, variable valve timing on the intake as well as a dual path long/short runner intake manifold, long for low rpm torque and short for 4000-6200rpm power. That said, it is power to weight ratio and at 4000lbs my Lexus put down similar numbers to these 2 cars trapping low 14s at 100mph.
The Chevelle has radials, the Charger has bias ply.
Traction was better for the Chevy.
The booth announcer always likes to try to start a conversation with himself at the start of the race. Like the race almost catches him off guard every time
I'd take either one. I remember the first 'Earth Day' in 1970 when the hippy kids had a table set up in front of the school building sharing scare stories. The EPA was created and that was the end of the muscle cars for a while. From 1969 to 1971 was like a dream. Darned hippy kids.
Not sure a 4:10 gear works in one's favor when dealing with such a limited tire.
Very true
Better be able to spin 6500
Badger Bait
Ya I agree. Also tend to have too many rpm’s at the big end with the automatic trans
@@robbiefrentz9427 This Chevelle pulled away on the big end every time...wouldn't have mattered
@@GH-el9ch a 340 would have ran him better.
gutted early 90's honda civics would run these numbers with with bolt ons. Now we can buy cars with close to a thousand horsepower and a factory warranty that run nearly half the et. glad to see the old iron out getting used and not hidden away only to be seen at an occasional show.
Both these cars rock! But I love it when Mopars lose hahaha Mopar fans have every excuse on why they lost. The driver sucked, the other car definitely wasn't stock etc etc. He got shut out vs the heavier convertible. But both cars are beauties
Did you see the Chevy had radials on it and the Dodge had the old bias plys on it? Huge traction advantage for the Chevelle. You can see the Charger's tires spinning all the way through first gear and it's not even a 4 speed so it's not the driver. With good tires on the Dodge that heavy convertible wouldn't stand a chance against that 440 Charger
@@jeremythompson9122 They should swap tires and engines, then call it even. Problem solved.
i love the intro and outro, pure sound
He was having a lot of problems launching that Charger. He had to let off more than once. I don't know if he was going through the water in prep or not but that doesn't usually work well with street tires.
More special effects and toilette humor please! I love that 71 year.. ALL rite all rite all rite...
4:39 ...fine piece of engineering with almost 2 feets of empty space between the rad and the grill :space efficient for sure .It would amaze me if a BMW Goldfisch V16 were there .
Had a 73 charger back in 86 when I was a teenager. We used to sneak through party road blocks by stashing 2, 12 packs of beer in that empty space between the radiator and grill. Get a mile down the road and pop the hood and pull em out. The police never caught on. They would look in the car and the trunk but never under the hood..
Changing a water pump on that 440 would be a royal pita!
My 71 charger with 2.76 gears and a 340 ran 15.91 at 91 mph. 13 city 19 hwy mpg. That 440 was sickly. Good looking car though.
1971 camaro 350 small block 373 gears would drive 55 miles one way to the quarter mile dragstrip.13.80s all day long
Whey can’t you put your camera on the finish line would make it much more exciting
the 454 SS convertible would sell for 25k in todays money....in your dream....thats a 75k car if they built it now.
Funny how seeing these cars race is kind of a big deal now. In 1978 it was just high school. My first car was a gold w/ black striped chevelle. My second was a torino gt.
Driver in the Charger must be first timer.
He’s not. If you look, his reaction times are pretty good. Just hard for that car to get traction
@@CarsAndZebras Reaction times OK but he's not driving off the line as someone with some seat time would with that rear end. Could be still learning his car.
I couldn't see in the first race because a guy walked in front of the camera but the second race it look like they both got off the line about the same time actually the Charger looked like it may have had a quicker reaction time than the Chevelle on the second race just by watching the front end of the cars so I think the dude was awake the Chevelle was just better
I just subbed...loved the commentary .
Thanks for watching 👍
That's all driver over car for sure! Mr. Mopar needs to practice!!! Both nice cars though. Thanks.
454 all day
thats not fair !
the charger have not made a burn out !
and use polyglas tirers.
and the chevelle runs on radials !
crazy to see the different from the 1971 454 golden chevelle covertable to the 1970 396 green coupe from the video vs with the gsX
That 71 Chevelle SS is fully equipped with Cruise control tilt wheel converter power windows and locks new $5500
My older brother had a 71 Charger with a 383 - was a great car.
My best friend has a 71 chevelle as a daily with the 350 Vortec engine from 96. I'm building a 69 charger with a 426 hemi. Cant wait to race him
Marines or soldier should I call a vet of usmc
@@AlejandroP1980s Always call Marines. 'Marines'
@@aidentrager4414 ok and airmen air force and navy seals seals or sailor
@@AlejandroP1980s yessir
@@aidentrager4414 ok thanks
Me thinks the Charger's 4:10 gears with the street tires caused significant tire spin on the launch and also affected his ability to catch the Chevelle on the second half?
I like the "71-72" El Camino SS 454.
Interesting choice, you don’t see many of those floating around anymore
Yeah I like El Camino's and Ford Ranchero's too. I knew a guy with a 69 Ranchero with the 428 Cobra Jet in it. Awesome ride
This channel pulls me right in with all the great match ups!
Round 43 goes again to the Chevelle as the Charger can't seem to get a break with any wins so far.
Great cars. Thanks
@ 7:46 Always has to be one in a crowd to F things up.
I knew that Cucumber had zero chance of beating that placer gold gem !!! The ending of GM,s holy and glory days .
A handful of Six Packs/Six Barrels were sold in '72 (330 hp) before Mother Mopar pulled the plug. 1972 literature listed the three carb option, at least early on.
Yeah, very few. All I've ever seen was a 72 gtx with a 6barrel, don't recall ever seeing a 440 6 pack in a charger ralley in 72
Yeah the Chargers vanity plate of “BHP 411” I think refers to 411 Brake Horsepower. She been heavily modified
Sometimes I think they should try swapping drivers
Maybe, but then you've got a lot of liability issues. There are times when the owners of the cars have other people drive them, or even other drag races from other heats take the wheel.
Cool video and I loved watching the cars race, but @ about the 6:47 mark, the video states that engine is the "base" 440 w/4-bbl, yet at the beginning of the RT section, you state the engine is 375hp.
If its the base engine, wouldn't it be 350 HP?
I've always understood the 440's were; base 4-bbl @ 350 hp, "Hi-Po" 4-bbl @ 375 hp and "Six Pack" @ 390 HP.
...did something change for '71?
It would be nice to know which car those et and speeds apply to. Why not put that on the screen?
Are you serious? You can obviously see the ET/MPH to the left matches the board for the left lane, and right listing correlates with the right lane.
Chevy, all the way, again, no surprise
Hope you show a '67 Olds 442 sometime.
1969. Man the 71 charger was a tank!
Definitely a little chunky
I never like the charger body style after 1970, looks like a fat person with love handles hang'n off the sides. 68,69,70 charger bodys are the best.
Curtis Fleabag There you go with your fairytales again😆
@Curtis Fleabag I've seen this trick before. This is what happens when you pick your 440 out of smogdog New Yorker or a motor home. Runs like a cast crank motor.
I had a 71 440 Charger 🥹 I miss that car. With the 3:55 gears she was slow off the line but man she would roll once she got going. I’d pass those fox body mustangs once it hit 3rd 😂
Cars and zebras man you are funny guy love your content keep up the good work man💪
Traction problems for the Charger. Chevy pulled strong consistent times.
Makes me wonder if he is still running old bias ply tires
@@CarsAndZebras The Charger had the old G 60 15 Poly's on it. The Chevy had BGF TA's...
But the question would be if those polys are bias ply, or reproduction radials from Coker to look vintage. I suspect bias ply based on how it’s acting.
The Charger was sporting original bias ply whereas the Chevelle has radials.
Traction advantage for the Chevy.
I kinda figured the Chevelle would spank the Charger only because I drove a stock 71 440 Charger RT Back in the late 70's... didn't really impress me...
Sorry, but I have a hard time believing the Chevelle has the stock 1971 spec LS5 engine with a CR of 8.5:1. Based on the 1/4 mile performance, the Chevy in this video has horsepower at the wheels in the neighborhood of 285, which means roughly 365 net horsepower at the flywheel.
You ever own a big block chevy? Advance the timing on that low compression hydraulic cammed engine and she will keep pulling especially with the big heads .
Proving once again that the best LAY is a CHEVROLET!!!!
Charger looks so awesome.
My 1st car ....1970 dodge charger 440 R/T 4sp
Traded it after 10-12 months for 1970 L6 chevelle 454 4sp. ....you could cruse all day with 2 tanks of gas
My favorite? maybe the charger ....payed$995
Car for car Chevy rules, on race track
Wow, the charger had a puny looking shifter akin to a guy coming out of artic water in a speedo. The chevelle is one nice ride.
If the glove fits,
You must convict! Lol
Whew makes me smile
Boy they look like they are crawling.
Ha, yeah. From the perspective of the camera it can have that illusion
Yep, gotta get'm down in the 10's.
Like all the video's on this site, and not uncommon to other sites, it's the the drivers! You can have the greatest match up of all times but if the drivers aren't as good as the cars they are driving, results become misleading. I will give you a perfect example. The year is 1968, the cars are a 300hp , 4 speed, corvette, with 3.50 something rear gears. Was my brothers car, that I often sneaked out of the garage, when he went to work! Know he finally knows! LOL!! The match up was a 67 GTO with a 400, with .30 overbore with a bigger cam and 3.55 gears. I can't believe, he said he took down Judge GTO's with this car! I knew my completion, he was lousy at shifting, both cars were 4 speeds. Best out of 3 and he bailed after i took him in the first 2 runs, I pocketed 40.00 dollars! WHY? Easy, I knew my competition, he was know for really bad shifting, and I was know as the best in town. So, a mere 300 HP 67 Vette, took down a 67 GTO 400, with a big cam and A 0.30 OVERBORE, WHICH BY THE NUMBERS, SHOULD HAVE never HAPPENED. Know YOUR COMPETITION, AND TAKE THE CHANCE, WHEN MONEY IS ON THE LINE! I am east of Pittsburgh Pa. and at almost 70, will out shift anyone! You have a good car and a good transmission, I am the one who will make it talk! I was 18 then, and still spot On today, have a 81 Rat Vette and a 66 GTO and i will Go out, in the fast lane!!