One thing that helped me gain control over "buck fever" was archery 3D shooting. I'll never forget the first time I shot at a buck with my bow. It was inside ten yards from a tree stand and I somehow shot right under it. The buck only jumped about ten feet and waited for me. I was so nervous I dropped the second arrow and the aluminum shaft made a loud noise as it hit my tree stand and tumbled to the ground. Twice was enough, and I never saw that deer again. I later joined a 3D archery league just for fun with some friends, and shooting at life size targets of animals helped me more than you might think. I was better and a little calmer the next season and managed to take a doe at 25 yards without dropping any arrows! 🤣
I bought the same rifle a took one of my heaviest bucks and biggest this year with 140 Accubond . One was at 70 yards and the other 340 both ran about 45 yards was not impressed with bullet performance. So back to the Berger 140and see if they drop them . Good luck
I trained my son to shoot his first buck by shooting at a scale buck target (paper) at 100m from a bench. Once he mastered shot placement, we practiced different shooting positions. His first buck (Springbuck) was taken at just over 100m and it was a perfect shot.
Speaking of hand loads, I’ve gotta brag on the loads I’ve figured out for my ole Remington 700 in .300 Winchester Magnum. It’s a 27”, 1:9 twist Crown Ridge Barrel Works barrel that I’ve owned for many years. My loads are 76 grains of H-1000, Hornady brass, full length resize, 225 grain Hornady ELD’s and an overall length of 3.455”. I’m getting a fantastic consistent velocity of 2,805 fps average with an extreme spread of 6 fps. I’ve been loading for many years and have never worked up a load, especially for a hated belted magnum, that is so consistent. Love the channel Ron, and I always look forward to the next video. Cheers.
It would make it a much more versatile cartridge (think long range target and medium game hunting) allowing the use of the heaviest high BC bullets being tailored for fast twist rifles such as the new 6.8 Western cartridge. But to be honest if the 150 gr. 270 can't get it done you probably need a bigger stick.
@@travissmith-wz5nc I have a 35 Whelen Rem 700 CDL SF with a 24" bbl. It's a tack driver. Wish it was a 1:12 twist instead of a 16 to use heavier bullets but again if you cant get it done with a 250 gr. you need a bigger stick.
@@travissmith-wz5nc I take it out in PA bear season. I am shooting 225 gr. Sierra's around 2750 to 2800 fps. Within 350 yds it equals a 338 Win mag. That covers 90% of all hunting senarios. Very underrated and misunderstood cartridge.
No idea what the new Remington (since the bankruptcy) quality is. I love my 1964 ADL '06 and my 2016 CDL SF in 35 Whelen. You shouldn't be disappointed with the 270 Win cartridge's performance on game though. It's well proven. I like 140 gr. accubonds out of my Ruger M77.
I’ve got numerous very accurate 700s. Hopefully since bankruptcy the quality will return to what it once was. It’s a strong action and highly customizable if it doesn’t meet your expectations.
Great gun and caliber unless you just bought the gun new and recently then not so good! Remington really dropped off in quality the last 5 years or so🤔😳
A HUNTER is A Person Thats RESPECTS The Game, They Are Hunting, And make Sure Of There Shots, Clean Kills If You want To Do Those Long Range Shots Go TO the Range, It Does Not Matter If You Wound The PAPER
I got these 6.5mm Nosler ballistics tips loaded up for my 6.5 PRC with some Reloader 26 I found a gun show. 3,040 fps with quarter-mil groups. I’m pretty stoked for rifles to open.
Since youve been covering the 300 blk a lot. It was a wildcat cart from the 223/556. You can cut the shoulder off and size it. Some need neck turned. you have any questions about it let me know cuz i handload and “tinker” from 110g to 225gr The blk likes magnum pistol powder like h110 and cfe blk It can use the same mags, with supersonic 110gr vmax @ 18.5gr max 2500fps and the subsonics 220grainers @ 1050fps with cfe blk 11gr. Both cycle the action wothout adjustment. Parent modern day case is 223/556. Takes same magazine as std ar. Usgi al or steel work best with long 2.25” bullets/subs
Been hunting with a 270 win for 20+ years and love it. Also love my 7mm-08. Got a 6.5creedmor but haven't hunted with it yet. Thinking about getting a 6.5 PRC. Can't wait for the video. Ron, your awesome. Thanks
Jon I've been hunting with a .270 since 1977. I had a buddy who loved his 7mm-08. My father loved his .264 win mag and his .300 win mag. Everyone I know with the 6.5's shoot competition matches,I'd love to hear from someone who are using them for hunting with no endorsements. Post back buddy.
6.5 PRC is awesome. I was shocked at how low the recoil was on a super light Carbon Fiber rifle with Q Cherry Bomb brake. For close range shots, it’s going to blow up with cup and core bullets unless you go bonded/monolithic, so it’s more of a plains and Mountain West rifle cartridge, really meant for LR. 6.5 Creedmoor is a great deer cartridge that will also put down elk within 400-600yds, shooter skill-dependent. I bought 6.5 PRC brass and I don’t even have the rifle yet. I have at least 7x 6.5 Grendels, .260 Remington, .270 Winchester, .308 Winchester, .30-06 Springfield, and stuff I forgot about.
@@stevesmith2171 HI Steve, I bought a bergara ridge rife in 6.5 creedmoor for my grandson's birthday gift. We've been hunting for a week now with no luck yet. It's been very warm here in Maine. Usually it's in the 30s and 40s. Today it's 70 and no deer to be found. Hopefully he gets one soon so I can use his rifle. I will let you know the results as soon as we find the deer. Temps are supposed to drop in the next few days. Happy hunting.
@@jonfarrar9666 it's cooler than that here in West Texas in the mornings and evenings lately, season starts tomorrow and we have a cold front headed in. Hope you have some luck soon.
@@stevesmith2171 well the cold is coming in. Going to snow next week and the deer are moving. My grandson shot a big doe at 280yds with his 6.5 creedmoor shooting hornady 143gr ELDX precision hunter ammo from my bench rest in the back yard will I watched threw my spotting scope. I saw the impact and it looked like the perfect shot. She went down, got back up and ran in the woods. Unfortunately after looking for a day and a half it sickens me to say I found nothing. No blood at all. I couldn't sleep last night so I went back out with a spot light and looked some more. Looked all day today. Still nothing.
Ron-Thanks for the upload on the .270, vs 6.5...270 has been on my mind quite a bit. My son he's 12 and I are the going to be Hunting Elk,and Mule deer mostly. Most of our shots will be less than 300 yards. So I'm thinkin' .270win., .308win., and the 6.8 western or maybe the new 7mm prc.. Cant really go wrong with any of those, But probably .270 .. Thanks Ron!
I feel like if you are an efficient tracker, such as finding bedding zones understanding the way a dear or animal works, then I think that can consider yourself as a good hunter, maybe even effective and efficient. Great video as always Mr Ron Spomer
Thanks again Ron, I love the Pod Cast Premiers on YT. Yeah, I have a Charlie Waterman book on my shelf in front of me because my friend's mom did the illustrations in it. She used to do illustrations for PA Outdoors and I think Field and Stream. He gave me a copy of one of the original drawings to go along with the book "The Part I Remember". I was telling him all about these Waterman stories that I was reading and he presented me with the book and one of his mom's drawings for it. Cool little piece of history.
Long Range shooters, (including snipers), adjust for - angle of attack, spin drift, altitude, atmospheric pressure, wind and temperature; I have never met a competition long range shooter who worried about the latitude or direction the range is facing. If the coriolis effect can't affect a balloon, why would it affect a bullet in flight?
If a shooter is adjusting for spin drift he's likely adjusting for Coriolis as well. It's an easy correction to make since the ballistic calculator does most of the work. Regarding the balloon, it's not affected by Coriolis because it is not moving relative to the Earth. Coriolis isn't due to the speed of Earth's rotation, but rather to the difference in speed between 2 locations (shooter and target). At the equator the surface of the Earth is moving at over 1000 mph. At the poles it is not moving. At the 45th parallel it's moving about 735 mph, and a target 1000 yards to the north of that is moving 0.25 mph slower. Enough to cause an error of 2-3 inches during the bullet's time of flight.
@@10-4CodyWade Spindrift is always going to move your bullet to the direction of the spin, which is usually to right; no matter what direction or latitude you're shooting. Coriolis should affect elevation if you are shooting east or west. If you're shooting at at target Southeast, there will be an elevation and a windage difference; it would be different at every latitudes. Coriolis is a mith but it gives me an excuse any time I miss.
The best way to deal with buck fever is proper breathing. Don't bring up the rifle, until you can breath through the shakes. This always helps with accuracy as any sniper can attest.
I love it! thanks! :) Ahh Yes the dreaded Coriolis effect. pat pat pat :) Your Pod Cast''s really help me on so many hunting subjects all the time and, you discribed the seperation of bullets vs the earths rotation so well you should have pats or better. You are so easy to listen to (honest and caring) So regarding the flip flopper difference from the northern hemisphere vs the southern hemisphere of the earth, the earth when you look down on the north pole, and the sun in front of you, the earth appears to rotate clockwise. When you look down on the south pole of the earth with the sun in front of you, the earth appears to rotate counter clockwise. Another way to look at it for the understanding of perspective is if you have a see through wall clock and are looking through from the front face, the hands of the clock rotate clockwise. Turn the clock around and from the back the hands turn counter clockwise. Without perspective who is to say in what direction anything is really turning?? WoW yeah my mind hurts too! all the time. I am with you!! regarding just being out, listening to the animals, the breeze in the trees, Just being in nature, seeing the animals, ethical hunting, good old Kentucky windage and having some great advetures :) Thank you Ron Spomer :)
Hi Ron. Another interesting vid. Thanks! I'm late to this discussion, but wanted to touch on the concept of ethical hunting - which you address in the context of what is a "real" hunter. This is a thorny topic, with lots of subjective opinions. To me, though, clear guidance comes from the Boone and Crockett Club (which I subscribe to) and the concept of "fair chase," defined as: "the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper or unfair advantage over the game animals." I do not see how anyone could consider taking a game animal at long range to be "fair chase" when the animal has no possible way of using its natural abilities to escape. This is clearly taking unfair advantage. Plus the real "ethical" hunter would never take a shot on a game animal unless they are very certain they could hit the vitals with the first shot. Very few people can guarantee a first shot hit in the vitals at ranges beyond their hunting rifle's MPBR (say +/- 3") when field shooting and all the variables like wind, shooting position, steep angles, temperature, buck fever etc. come in to play and really do affect accuracy. Plus, good luck tracking a wounded animal that was shot from 1000 yards away. Simply put, the ethical hunter is not in the business of leaving wounded animals in the field, or using animals for target practice.
We think of bullets as horizontally traveling objects. But they are also vertical objects. As soon as they are free of the barrel, they start falling until they hit something, usually the earth. The speed of the bullet and the angle you fire determines how much time they spend falling. It's like artillery, but instead of focusing on where a round hits the earth, we try and hit game before the round hits the earth. Sighting tells you in a repeatable way where the bullet will hit an object at a specific distance. Weight doesn't affect the rate of fall, so lighter bullets don't stay aloft longer because of the weight, per se, although more weight usually means more frontal area and therefore more drag (lower BC). and that reduces velocity faster.
For the buck fever cure- I found that hunting other game besides big game, such as birds or varmits helped me get comfortable with getting behind a firearm and having a real target on the other side of your sights. And doing 3-gun and NRL competitions helps you get comfortable in an uncomfortable setting. Its never the same as an Elk or big buck on a hunt you've been planning for months or years, but it certainly can't hurt.
I liked the information you provided on the .284 Winchester, and you seem to like the cartridge very much, so It begs the question: Have you ever used the 22-284? What did you hunt, if anything with it, and what do you think of it?
Myself knowing my barrel will last my life with no more then goes tru it, then the fact I use other guns as well. I’m pretty good with barrel life unless something changes. Even a trip to dog town added in, I’d be be less then 40 rounds a year. It will outlast me. Thanks Ron for sharing these fun and informative videos. 🎥💪🏽💯👍
I remember watching Ron on the TV, there was a season I thought the 243 was bout the only caliber you where using at that time. I’m I just remembering wrong or was there a season you favorited the 243. Thanks again for sharing these videos. 🎥💪🏽💯👍
If you drop a bullet from your hand onto the floor it will drop to the floor at the same rate as when it's moving at 2,000 feet per second. The forward speed has no impact on drop. But if you aim the barrel up a little, you're putting upward energy into the bullet.. You're literally tossing it up- so it goes up some- before it falls back down. This is no different standing still or flying fast. "flat" shooting cartridges are simply fast cartridges. The more speed it has, the quicker it gets to the target and has less time to fall, and you have to compensate less. But Ron is spot on, your muzzle must be raised to compensate for drop. You sight your rifle scope or iron sights, adjusting just that.
Good point, Blackbird, but if I may clarify: If you drop a bullet from the level of the barrel's muzzle at the same instant as a fired bullet leaves that muzzle, they will strike the ground at the same instant. But the barrel must be dead level (at a right angle to) gravity's pull. The fired bullet will just be farther downrange when it lands. As you indicate, the fired bullet cannot be elevated (directed) upward because then the energy/velocity of the bullet drives is upward while the dropped bullet is merely accelerated by gravity's pull.
🧐 Ron, it would be nice if you would provide more specific numbers as to the barrel life of these two cartridges, as that is the title of this video? 🤷♂️
Those ballistic trajectory graphs are just that, a graph so it's not necessarily an accurate representation, that being said you have to remember that if that graph is covering a long distance then it might be a fairly accurate representation, you have to tilt the barrel up a little bit more for every increase in distance so the barrel is going to be pointed up quite a bit more for 700 yards then it would be for 100 yd
On the hunting question I would say what I do is waiting sitting in a blind. I feel hunting is going out looking for the game and then harvesting it. I have bone both.
Regarding the loudness of rifle fire. The distinction is between sound intensity (power per unit area) and perceived loudness of sounds (how loud the noise seems). Here's what to remember: intensity doubles with every 3 dBA increase; loudness generally doubles with every 10 dBA increase. If your protectors reduce sound levels by 20 dBA, the intensity decreases by a factor of 100 while it will sound will be 4 times less loud. A really good protector can reduce levels by 30 dB which means reducing the sound intensity by 1,000 and loudness by a factor of 8. The objective is to reduce the intensity; reductions in loudness go along for the ride. The commentator's recommendation is on spot: wear good, high quality hearing protectors with high NRR and use a suppressor if you can.
Back in 1959 I went hunting with my father and younger brother. We were hunting outside of Republic Washington, and stayed at a local farm. The farm was run by two brothers, these were hillbillies. We started out from the farm and on a ridge was a whitetail. One of the brothers placed the butt of his rifle on the ground and carefully lined up the shot. Yes, the angle was near 45°. He shot just as the deer crossed the ridgeline. His response was We better go see , so we climbed the ridge and on the otherside was a four point buck. That bullit had hit this deer on the far side of the ridge, and killed it dead. We had venison for dinner. I think it was Storm King Mountain...but my memory fades...
Decibels are measured logarithmically. This is a way of counting or measuring something that increases rapidly, or exponentially. For example, every increase of 10 dB on the decibel scale is equal to a 10-fold increase in sound pressure level (SPL). Near silence is expressed as 0 dB but a sound measured at 10 dB is actually 10 times louder. If a sound is 20 dB, that's 100 times louder than near silence.
Wanted to add this on bullet drop: Gravity acts on all objects at 32.2 ft/s^2 or 9.81m/s^2. A faster and more aerodynamic bullet will have less drop only because gravity has less time to act on it (meaning it gets to the target faster than a slower moving bullet). 2 identically shaped bullets, fired from the same location/altitude, fired on the same trajectory, but travelling at different velocities, and in flight for 5 seconds will drop the same amount. However the 2 bullets will cover different horizontal distances in that 5 second flight. If you want the slower bullet to reach the same distant target as the faster one, you have to aim higher because the slower one takes longer to get to the target, giving gravity more time to act on it.
The thing that will probably help the most, and that was not mentioned, to help with "buck fever" is competition. Whether it's NRL Hunter or 3D archery matches, there is nothing that will get your nerves going like competition. Even if you're just competing for fun or for training, the excitement and stress of competition is as close as you can get to an actual hunting situation.
Pretty good explanation of Coriolis but I would clarify one thing. When shooting north (in the northern hemisphere), it's not the fact that Earth is spinning and moving sideways that causes the error. It's the fact that your target is closer to the Earth's axis of rotation than you are, and therefore it moves at a different speed than you during the bullet's flight. At the equator you're shots will be nearly parallel to Earth's axis of rotation, and Coriolis is negligible. But at the 45th parallel you're shooting at a 45 degree angle down toward that axis. Your target is traveling a smaller circle as the planet rotates so it has to move more slowly. When shooting southward the effect is reversed, but so is the direction of rotation relative to your target. This is why the effect will always tend to push your bullets to the right when shooting north or south. I live near the 40th parallel and my corrections with a 270 WSM are only 0.5 inches at 500 yards. At 1000 yards it's around 2-3 inches. Anytime I shoot past 600 yards at anything I use my ballistic calculator anyway so it's a simple matter of acquiring the azimuth (direction) and my calculator adjusts automatically. Your advice to ignore Coriolis when shooting 600 yards or less is solid gold, my friend. Keep up the great work.
Spot and stalk comes to my mind. I grew up hunting out west. Mule deer and elk. Also squirrels and rabits when we were kids. We ate every thig we took. That's hunting in my mind. I have nothing against how people like to hunt just keep it legal. And pack it all out not just the racks.
Having crossed the Equator on a ship, I can tell you that Toilets Do Not change the direction that they flush. The spin direction of a toilet, is determined by the manufacturer. The Coriolis effect is real; Hurricanes and Tornadoes spin in different directions. In the Northern Hemisphere, winds moving north are diverted eastward, and winds moving south are diverted westward. In the Southern Hemisphere, winds traveling toward the equator will move eastward, and winds traveling toward the South Pole will curve west.
That bullet arc thing is like arguing about the earth being flat. I think some people are just messing with others but that leads to people actually believing the bull shoot. I think a small part of it is looking at graphs that aren't to scale. The Y axis is always in inches and the X axis in hundreds of yards. There are 3,600 inches in each of those 100 yards. You only visualize the arc when that distance is condensed relative to elevation. I have been told (but am no expert) that the M1A iron sights are designed to bisect the trajectory at both 100 and 300 yards to efficiently utilize the maximum point blank range of the 5.56 Nato ammo in combat scenarios.
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Just a thought I had..What is the comparible weatherby cartridge to the 30-06? with all of its wonderfull options. I am sure you would know better than me :) Thanks
I get wound up on whitetail deer bucks and does lol doe fever I have seen in real life lol but I have shot elk with a bow and thought it was like shooting a horse didn't do much for me idk but it was weird been way more wound up over deer especially muley version
Bullets do not have left and will follow the same whether you drop it with no velocity imparted upon it or if it's shot out of a gun. That is if you put a gun loaded with a let's say 30 ought 6 bullet and then you took the bullet out of the case and had it sitting at the same height and had the gun and the barrel super level in a viceless say and you shot them both you would find if you could somehow detect it that the bullet shot from the rifle and the bullet dropped to the ground at the moment the rifle was fired would actually hit the ground within thousandths of a second of each other in the air only being with the human timing of things it's just how physics works. Now that doesn't mean you can't have some kind of wind up drift of draft that could give you the illusion of lift but a bullet is not a lifting body it's not like a wing it doesn't create lift the only thing even remotely you could say about that is with any truthful in it is that the twist dozen Park torque on the bullet and sometimes as the bullet spins slows down it can cause it to torque one way or the other depending on which way the twist is and I've seen guys in the oil hurt of guys shooting at thousand plus yard distances with 308 rounds have to take that kind of stuff into account just because of 308 and a thousand yards is a rough rough or should I say a tall order to to do anyway thanks for letting me share
As far as what is a hunter, I agree with ethical. However ethical is very situational. If I am in survival mode, which means if I don't kill, I don't eat, the ethics change, from sport hunting. The American Indians ran bison off cliffs to get a few steaks and a nice blanket. People could say it was wasteful. However it was the fastest, easiest and safest way to hunt a very dangerous animal.
@@albosarge7282 90+ % of the meat was wasted. The American Indians were not careful and knowledgeable stewards of the land any more than any other hunter gather culture was. It makes me laugh seeing tree huggers wearing shirts or have posters with chief Seattle's famous speech. It never happened. In America, the only group I know that consistently given money and time to help wildlife on a large scale is hunters, fishermen and people buying ammo. Unfortunately, modern shooter's now tend to be people not raised in a gun or hunting culture, who go out, shoot and leave their trash behind. There are areas in New mexico, I won't go into starting 2 weeks before hunting season starts until 2 weeks after its over. My son was 8 and we were out riding in northern New Mexico. It was 3 days before hunting season. We started taking fire. We were both wearing orange as were our animals. The fire wasn't shot at us, but someone heard the noise and was trying to hit something. We never found out who it was. But there were 26 6.5 creedmoor cases on the ground. That stuff sadly is becoming more and more common
@@JohnGalt-vr3lx I know exactly what you’re saying about the state of the hunting public these days. But I am curious where you get your figure of 90% of the meat being wasted from Native Americans. Keep in mind I’m not trying to start an argument I’m just curious
@@albosarge7282 I had a close friend in the army who was dine. His half sister was like 3/4 dine and part Tohono O’odham. She had a bachelors degree in ethnic studies I believe. She was working on a masters degree. It was something like "similarities in hunting in native groups pre industrialization " she also worked as a hunting guide off reservation. She was very interested in possible extinction events caused by primitive hunting methods. I spoke with her whenever I would go to the rez. Then my friend died of pancreatic cancer, that IHS said was acid reflux. I still went to visit every 12 to 18 months. That stopped after 9/11 when I got a contracting job over in Iraq. I was there until 2007. I went to the res when I got back and the Navajo res (which was one of the most successful and functional reservations) it was destroyed by gangs and drugs. The crime level was horrible and the drug use was worse than housing projects in Oakland. Their house was abandoned and it wasn't the kind of neighborhood to knock on doors asking questions. I found out from Indian affairs that she had married and the family had moved. Never heard from her again. But she had brought up multiple cases of native hunting practices which were very wasteful. Especially when tribes/groups had grown large and lacked salt. I never found anything on line about the study. I think it was a get married to support youngest brother and mom and school had to go.
Speaking of buck fever. I’ve always thought of things that made me angry. Yes I’m excited after the shot but during the process I’m angry so I’m not shaking or likely to miss.
I find that 400 yards is about as far as I shoot. Most shots are 100-200 yards. Long shots are situational and the circumstances determine the distance at which the hunter feels competent. The worst thing is to wound an animal and it escapes or suffers needlessly. I found that the most fun of hunting was the stalk.
45/70 factory loads are not loaded down...Remington's 405 grain load is the one exception and cowboy loads , as well! Check out Buffalo Bore loads Mr. S ...these ain't your trap door loads!!
This is a no-brainer people. Why would you sight in 2 inches high at 100 in order to hit dead on at 200. Obviously the barrel is pointed up. Come on folks.
Barrel life? When I buy a new rifle I do everything I can to wear out the cheap factory barrel. So I can have it replaced with a Bartline barrel. Townson Whelan said only accurate rifles are interesting. Good bedding and a Bartline barrel are real interesting.
Ron if it's all about gravity why do bullets fall at a different rate at different altitudes? Air pressure and density have an affect. If they didn't I'd never been able to throw a curve ball that rose and dived. Golf balls rise and dive and land soft or run out off of spin rate. Ask a physicist,they'll tell you.
You are sending both baseballs and golf balls on an arcing trajectory and imparting spin on them (which can create pressure differentials generating lift or downforce). Gravity acts on all objects at 32.2 ft/s^2 or 9.81m/s^2. A faster and more aerodynamic bullet will have less drop only because gravity has less time to act on it (meaning it gets to the target faster than a slower moving bullet). 2 identically shaped bullets, fred from the same location/altitude, fired on the same trajectory, but travelling at different velocities, and in flight for 5 seconds will drop the same amount. However the 2 bullets will cover different horizontal distances in that 5 seconds.
Earth is spinning at about 1000 mph, if it's spin was 24000 mph a day would be only one hour long, but I'm sure you know that you just got your numbers crossed 🙃.. great content as always.
Long Range shooters, (including snipers), adjust for angle of attack, spin drift, altitude, atmospheric pressure, wind and temperature; I have never met a competition long range shooter who worried about the latitude or direction the range is facing.
Mr. Sp;omer, why is it when you're zeroing your your rifle, your bullet will shoot low at 25 yds, then goes a little higher at 50 yds, then in about a 100;yds, your bullet will hit about the center of your target? I would appreciate why do the bullet behave that way?
Good question and simple reason: it's because your sights sit 1 to 2 inches above your bore. The bullet thus emerges under your sight line. Because gravity immediately pulls it, you'd never hit what you aim at. Would always be at least 2 inches low. So we adjust our sights/aiming point downward. This forces the barrel to be canted or angled slightly upward so that it's actually a couple of inches above the bullseye/our aiming point at 100 yards. This means it starts out about 1.5 inches below our line of sight, flies up through line of sight at about 25 yards, continues on that upward angle while gravity is pulling it down. By 100 yards or so (depending on muzzle velocity and bullet's aerodynamic efficiency) its hits the 100-yard aiming point or slightly above it. I usually zero my hunting rifles (in the 270 Win. class) 2.5 inches high at 100. Bullets then hit about 3 inches high at 150, are about 2 inches high at 200, dead on at about 250, and 3 to 6 inches low at 300. Cheers.
What? Hunting from helicopters is hunting. For us modern day at least. Just like hunting with thermal and night vision. These are almost exclusively used for nuisance hogs and coyotes
Sadly, the art of the stalk to a high percentage one shot kill distance has been forgotten, and now it seems everyone is a sniper and an operator. You never get to see the wounded animals running off on these long range shooting U tubes. The inability to perfectly dope wind over great distances where wind can change vertically and laterally ( never a constant) grows exponential with increased distance. Add an error in ranging, imperfect rest, mirage which occurs even on a winter day (optic aberrations) and none of this long range stuff meets the ethical test. Add spin drift, Coriolis effect, variation in velocity between rounds and the errors further multiply. Take the 7mm REM Mag, a very flat shooting cartridge with reasonable B.C. At 500 yards, a 20 mph full value wind ( common in Utah, Montana and Colorado will displace a 160 grain bullet approx 27 inches. That’s a gut shot deer or Elk or a blown off leg. Well outside the pie plate goal for the kill zone. Hunters (especially our young hunters) need to be taught to have enough respect for our big game to close the distance by stalking or passing up the shot.
I am a 243 guy. I fell into the 6.5 prc "new" cartridge trap and am happy for it. When you pass 300 yards, it is stable and dependable. Windy days on my range, 6.5 PRC really gives no shits out to 500.
Listen to the Zen master bullets fall instantly when they leave a barrel that’s perfectly level. No you Army boys don’t have magic pixy dust fueling your rifles that make a bullet rise out of the bore. Science wins this one.
The 25 meter zero target for the Army is supposed to replicate the 300 meter target. Zero at 25 meters and as long as your fundamentals are good you should make hits at all ranges out to 300 meters as long as you aim center mass.
The revolution ammo it's actually lever lotion like Revolution but lever Lucian, anyway it's a play on words but they make a 30-30 round that has a polymer tip that is a spitzer bullet and is much quicker and has much more punch than a regular round noses 30-30 ammo. The polymer tip in this 30-30 bullet is actually a little soft to the touch then the polymer tips and say like anything else like the green tip 556 ammo so because it's a little softer you don't have the risk of magazine internal detonation from recoil if you are running your 30-30 ammo in a like a model what is it 94.96 Winchester lever action and I meant 94 or 96 but and I'm retarded because I actually have a 1960 model 94 or I think it is 94 for some reason I'm thinking 96 but I could be wrong but it's great my granddad gave it to me and it's super mega accurate and those Revolution Levolution ammo by Hornady is just awesome and probably actually and I don't have 300 Blackout here beside me as far as info but I would bet that that ammo about Hornady with the Spitzer shape of the bullet and a ballistic tip would definitely outperform the 300 Blackout. Now there's no guns that are set up like a gun that shoots 300 Blackout like a AR-15 that shoots 30-30 partially because 30-30 is a rim cartridge and Because unless you were to take 308 bullets and use those to reload your own 30-30 rounds so they would then look like a 300 Blackout or a 30-06 round, if you do that then you again have a 30-30 bullet that will absolutely rip and certainly do equal to a 300 Blackout and I've used both, being a 308 bullet that was bought in bulk by Hornady and then they were used to reload 3030 brass and they were just awesome and because these were not polytipped with the soft spongy type tip you could only load one of the chamber and then load the first one in the magazine so you basically use your 30-30 as a two-shot gun and that way again you avoided the possibility of having a eruption from a detonation inside the tube magazine so you're limited to just the two rounds but a lot of long distance hunting guns only hold three rounds so you know if you're hunting anything you only have a couple shots so I don't see it as a big disadvantage. But my 30-30 is top eject because of the year it was made, so I would have to put a pistol scope that has a really long eye relief in front of the ejection port and just make sure I set the scope exactly right and use the right scope the right pistol scope and then I could actually run a scope on it and you know hit 300 yards commonly without too much trouble. Right now I've got it zero to hit 300 I'm sorry 200 yards where it is right now. If you aim the iron stock sites at a Target at 200 yards you will hit it dead on where you're aiming. This gun is so accurate it really is amazing considering how old it is too and when it was made. And I really don't know much about this gun as far as the Twist and the rifling and the direction and how many rifling grooves it has and like I said I don't know which direction it's twist is or the ratio you know 1 to10 or is it 1 to 7 or what the hell is it? My point in this message or comment is that there are 30-30 rounds out there that are highly competitive to even a modern round. And especially if you took a 30-30 case or brass as it might be referred to and took a 308 which is a 30 caliber round which is what 30-30 shoots and what I mean by 308 is you bought a 308 bullet Spitzer and then loaded it into a 30-30 brass and then made it a little spicy increase the pressure a little bit because the model 94 is a pretty beefy chamber breach on that gun you could give it a little more juice not crazy but just a little more and you would for sure then at that point you would have around that would definitely be equal or better than a regular 300 Blackout. And I don't know what weights of ingrains, that a regular 300 Blackout bullet would weigh but I think 120 110 to 150 somewhere around there is what a 30-30 bullet would weigh or you can definitely get them in that range but if you were using a 308 is the bullet and a Reload situation you could use a whole range of weights and if you needed to go on the Lighter Side to increase your velocity you might end up getting the same energy in pounds of force by increasing the velocity and get better ballistic performance it would take some trial and error but I have no doubt that a 30-30 could perform as well as a 300 Blackout cartridge
One thing that helped me gain control over "buck fever" was archery 3D shooting. I'll never forget the first time I shot at a buck with my bow. It was inside ten yards from a tree stand and I somehow shot right under it. The buck only jumped about ten feet and waited for me. I was so nervous I dropped the second arrow and the aluminum shaft made a loud noise as it hit my tree stand and tumbled to the ground. Twice was enough, and I never saw that deer again. I later joined a 3D archery league just for fun with some friends, and shooting at life size targets of animals helped me more than you might think. I was better and a little calmer the next season and managed to take a doe at 25 yards without dropping any arrows! 🤣
I just bought a Sako S20 chambered in 6.5 PRC. It's my first bolt action rifle.
Great gun for your first rifle
I bought the same rifle a took one of my heaviest bucks and biggest this year with 140 Accubond . One was at 70 yards and the other 340 both ran about 45 yards was not impressed with bullet performance. So back to the Berger 140and see if they drop them . Good luck
I trained my son to shoot his first buck by shooting at a scale buck target (paper) at 100m from a bench. Once he mastered shot placement, we practiced different shooting positions. His first buck (Springbuck) was taken at just over 100m and it was a perfect shot.
Speaking of hand loads, I’ve gotta brag on the loads I’ve figured out for my ole Remington 700 in .300 Winchester Magnum. It’s a 27”, 1:9 twist Crown Ridge Barrel Works barrel that I’ve owned for many years. My loads are 76 grains of H-1000, Hornady brass, full length resize, 225 grain Hornady ELD’s and an overall length of 3.455”. I’m getting a fantastic consistent velocity of 2,805 fps average with an extreme spread of 6 fps. I’ve been loading for many years and have never worked up a load, especially for a hated belted magnum, that is so consistent. Love the channel Ron, and I always look forward to the next video. Cheers.
Wish the 270 had 1 in 8 twist barrel. Even 1 in 9.
It would make it a much more versatile cartridge (think long range target and medium game hunting) allowing the use of the heaviest high BC bullets being tailored for fast twist rifles such as the new 6.8 Western cartridge. But to be honest if the 150 gr. 270 can't get it done you probably need a bigger stick.
Yup. I also think that 2506, 6.5 06, 270, 280, 3006 and 35 Whelan need 24 to 26 inch barrel for max efficiency.
@@travissmith-wz5nc I have a 35 Whelen Rem 700 CDL SF with a 24" bbl. It's a tack driver. Wish it was a 1:12 twist instead of a 16 to use heavier bullets but again if you cant get it done with a 250 gr. you need a bigger stick.
Thats awesome. I know in Canada 35 whelen and 358 winchester are very popular
@@travissmith-wz5nc I take it out in PA bear season. I am shooting 225 gr. Sierra's around 2750 to 2800 fps. Within 350 yds it equals a 338 Win mag. That covers 90% of all hunting senarios. Very underrated and misunderstood cartridge.
I got a Remington 700 in .270 did I make a good choice?
No idea what the new Remington (since the bankruptcy) quality is. I love my 1964 ADL '06 and my 2016 CDL SF in 35 Whelen. You shouldn't be disappointed with the 270 Win cartridge's performance on game though. It's well proven. I like 140 gr. accubonds out of my Ruger M77.
Remington has horrible quality control these days. They can't touch browning,tikka,bergara these days. Not even close.
I’ve got numerous very accurate 700s. Hopefully since bankruptcy the quality will return to what it once was. It’s a strong action and highly customizable if it doesn’t meet your expectations.
Great gun and caliber unless you just bought the gun new and recently then not so good! Remington really dropped off in quality the last 5 years or so🤔😳
Yes that is a reliable gun and the round is versatile fun gun to shoot!
A HUNTER is A Person Thats RESPECTS The Game, They Are Hunting, And make Sure Of There Shots, Clean Kills If You want To Do Those Long Range Shots Go TO the Range, It Does Not Matter If You Wound The PAPER
I got these 6.5mm Nosler ballistics tips loaded up for my 6.5 PRC with some Reloader 26 I found a gun show. 3,040 fps with quarter-mil groups. I’m pretty stoked for rifles to open.
Since youve been covering the 300 blk a lot.
It was a wildcat cart from the 223/556. You can cut the shoulder off and size it. Some need neck turned.
you have any questions about it let me know cuz i handload and “tinker” from 110g to 225gr
The blk likes magnum pistol powder like h110 and cfe blk
It can use the same mags, with supersonic 110gr vmax @ 18.5gr max 2500fps and the subsonics 220grainers @ 1050fps with cfe blk 11gr.
Both cycle the action wothout adjustment.
Parent modern day case is 223/556.
Takes same magazine as std ar.
Usgi al or steel work best with long 2.25” bullets/subs
Been hunting with a 270 win for 20+ years and love it. Also love my 7mm-08. Got a 6.5creedmor but haven't hunted with it yet. Thinking about getting a 6.5 PRC. Can't wait for the video. Ron, your awesome. Thanks
Jon I've been hunting with a .270 since 1977. I had a buddy who loved his 7mm-08. My father loved his .264 win mag and his .300 win mag. Everyone I know with the 6.5's shoot competition matches,I'd love to hear from someone who are using them for hunting with no endorsements. Post back buddy.
6.5 PRC is awesome. I was shocked at how low the recoil was on a super light Carbon Fiber rifle with Q Cherry Bomb brake. For close range shots, it’s going to blow up with cup and core bullets unless you go bonded/monolithic, so it’s more of a plains and Mountain West rifle cartridge, really meant for LR. 6.5 Creedmoor is a great deer cartridge that will also put down elk within 400-600yds, shooter skill-dependent. I bought 6.5 PRC brass and I don’t even have the rifle yet. I have at least 7x 6.5 Grendels, .260 Remington, .270 Winchester, .308 Winchester, .30-06 Springfield, and stuff I forgot about.
@@stevesmith2171 HI Steve, I bought a bergara ridge rife in 6.5 creedmoor for my grandson's birthday gift. We've been hunting for a week now with no luck yet. It's been very warm here in Maine. Usually it's in the 30s and 40s. Today it's 70 and no deer to be found. Hopefully he gets one soon so I can use his rifle. I will let you know the results as soon as we find the deer. Temps are supposed to drop in the next few days. Happy hunting.
@@jonfarrar9666 it's cooler than that here in West Texas in the mornings and evenings lately, season starts tomorrow and we have a cold front headed in. Hope you have some luck soon.
@@stevesmith2171 well the cold is coming in. Going to snow next week and the deer are moving. My grandson shot a big doe at 280yds with his 6.5 creedmoor shooting hornady 143gr ELDX precision hunter ammo from my bench rest in the back yard will I watched threw my spotting scope. I saw the impact and it looked like the perfect shot. She went down, got back up and ran in the woods. Unfortunately after looking for a day and a half it sickens me to say I found nothing. No blood at all. I couldn't sleep last night so I went back out with a spot light and looked some more. Looked all day today. Still nothing.
Ron-Thanks for the upload on the .270, vs 6.5...270 has been on my mind quite a bit. My son he's 12 and I are the going to be Hunting Elk,and Mule deer mostly. Most of our shots will be less than 300 yards. So I'm thinkin' .270win., .308win., and the 6.8 western or maybe the new 7mm prc.. Cant really go wrong with any of those, But probably .270 .. Thanks Ron!
So much about .30-30 Win. Have you heard about the .308 Creedmoor... it's like .308 Winchester but with a touch of magic, eh? Love my 260 Rem.
I feel like if you are an efficient tracker, such as finding bedding zones understanding the way a dear or animal works, then I think that can consider yourself as a good hunter, maybe even effective and efficient. Great video as always Mr Ron Spomer
Thanks again Ron, I love the Pod Cast Premiers on YT. Yeah, I have a Charlie Waterman book on my shelf in front of me because my friend's mom did the illustrations in it. She used to do illustrations for PA Outdoors and I think Field and Stream. He gave me a copy of one of the original drawings to go along with the book "The Part I Remember". I was telling him all about these Waterman stories that I was reading and he presented me with the book and one of his mom's drawings for it. Cool little piece of history.
Long Range shooters, (including snipers), adjust for - angle of attack, spin drift, altitude, atmospheric pressure, wind and temperature; I have never met a competition long range shooter who worried about the latitude or direction the range is facing. If the coriolis effect can't affect a balloon, why would it affect a bullet in flight?
If a shooter is adjusting for spin drift he's likely adjusting for Coriolis as well. It's an easy correction to make since the ballistic calculator does most of the work. Regarding the balloon, it's not affected by Coriolis because it is not moving relative to the Earth. Coriolis isn't due to the speed of Earth's rotation, but rather to the difference in speed between 2 locations (shooter and target). At the equator the surface of the Earth is moving at over 1000 mph. At the poles it is not moving. At the 45th parallel it's moving about 735 mph, and a target 1000 yards to the north of that is moving 0.25 mph slower. Enough to cause an error of 2-3 inches during the bullet's time of flight.
@@10-4CodyWade Spindrift is always going to move your bullet to the direction of the spin, which is usually to right; no matter what direction or latitude you're shooting. Coriolis should affect elevation if you are shooting east or west. If you're shooting at at target Southeast, there will be an elevation and a windage difference; it would be different at every latitudes. Coriolis is a mith but it gives me an excuse any time I miss.
I did not put in ballistics on my last COMM because you descibed it so well. It was the first time I had heard it put that way...
Thanks Ron! Please keep a plug in for the .284 Winchester. Great deer cartridge!
The best way to deal with buck fever is proper breathing. Don't bring up the rifle, until you can breath through the shakes. This always helps with accuracy as any sniper can attest.
I love it! thanks! :) Ahh Yes the dreaded Coriolis effect. pat pat pat :) Your Pod Cast''s really help me on so many hunting subjects all the time and, you discribed the seperation of bullets vs the earths rotation so well you should have pats or better. You are so easy to listen to (honest and caring) So regarding the flip flopper difference from the northern hemisphere vs the southern hemisphere of the earth, the earth when you look down on the north pole, and the sun in front of you, the earth appears to rotate clockwise. When you look down on the south pole of the earth with the sun in front of you, the earth appears to rotate counter clockwise. Another way to look at it for the understanding of perspective is if you have a see through wall clock and are looking through from the front face, the hands of the clock rotate clockwise. Turn the clock around and from the back the hands turn counter clockwise. Without perspective who is to say in what direction anything is really turning?? WoW yeah my mind hurts too! all the time. I am with you!! regarding just being out, listening to the animals, the breeze in the trees, Just being in nature, seeing the animals, ethical hunting, good old Kentucky windage and having some great advetures :) Thank you Ron Spomer :)
Hi Ron. Another interesting vid. Thanks! I'm late to this discussion, but wanted to touch on the concept of ethical hunting - which you address in the context of what is a "real" hunter. This is a thorny topic, with lots of subjective opinions. To me, though, clear guidance comes from the Boone and Crockett Club (which I subscribe to) and the concept of "fair chase," defined as: "the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper or unfair advantage over the game animals." I do not see how anyone could consider taking a game animal at long range to be "fair chase" when the animal has no possible way of using its natural abilities to escape. This is clearly taking unfair advantage. Plus the real "ethical" hunter would never take a shot on a game animal unless they are very certain they could hit the vitals with the first shot. Very few people can guarantee a first shot hit in the vitals at ranges beyond their hunting rifle's MPBR (say +/- 3") when field shooting and all the variables like wind, shooting position, steep angles, temperature, buck fever etc. come in to play and really do affect accuracy. Plus, good luck tracking a wounded animal that was shot from 1000 yards away. Simply put, the ethical hunter is not in the business of leaving wounded animals in the field, or using animals for target practice.
We think of bullets as horizontally traveling objects. But they are also vertical objects. As soon as they are free of the barrel, they start falling until they hit something, usually the earth. The speed of the bullet and the angle you fire determines how much time they spend falling. It's like artillery, but instead of focusing on where a round hits the earth, we try and hit game before the round hits the earth. Sighting tells you in a repeatable way where the bullet will hit an object at a specific distance. Weight doesn't affect the rate of fall, so lighter bullets don't stay aloft longer because of the weight, per se, although more weight usually means more frontal area and therefore more drag (lower BC). and that reduces velocity faster.
I would love to see a 257. Weatherby vs 25-06AI comparison
For the buck fever cure- I found that hunting other game besides big game, such as birds or varmits helped me get comfortable with getting behind a firearm and having a real target on the other side of your sights. And doing 3-gun and NRL competitions helps you get comfortable in an uncomfortable setting. Its never the same as an Elk or big buck on a hunt you've been planning for months or years, but it certainly can't hurt.
Enjoy hearing you talk about your 284. My father hunted with a win. 100 in 284. Poor excuse of a rifle but great cal.
I liked the information you provided on the .284 Winchester, and you seem to like the cartridge very much, so It begs the question: Have you ever used the 22-284? What did you hunt, if anything with it, and what do you think of it?
Myself knowing my barrel will last my life with no more then goes tru it, then the fact I use other guns as well. I’m pretty good with barrel life unless something changes. Even a trip to dog town added in, I’d be be less then 40 rounds a year. It will outlast me. Thanks Ron for sharing these fun and informative videos. 🎥💪🏽💯👍
Best way to beat the adrenaline is to deploy in a combat zone.😂
Another excellent video Mr. Spomer! Always a pleasure!
I remember watching Ron on the TV, there was a season I thought the 243 was bout the only caliber you where using at that time. I’m I just remembering wrong or was there a season you favorited the 243. Thanks again for sharing these videos. 🎥💪🏽💯👍
If you drop a bullet from your hand onto the floor it will drop to the floor at the same rate as when it's moving at 2,000 feet per second. The forward speed has no impact on drop. But if you aim the barrel up a little, you're putting upward energy into the bullet.. You're literally tossing it up- so it goes up some- before it falls back down. This is no different standing still or flying fast. "flat" shooting cartridges are simply fast cartridges. The more speed it has, the quicker it gets to the target and has less time to fall, and you have to compensate less. But Ron is spot on, your muzzle must be raised to compensate for drop. You sight your rifle scope or iron sights, adjusting just that.
Good point, Blackbird, but if I may clarify: If you drop a bullet from the level of the barrel's muzzle at the same instant as a fired bullet leaves that muzzle, they will strike the ground at the same instant. But the barrel must be dead level (at a right angle to) gravity's pull. The fired bullet will just be farther downrange when it lands. As you indicate, the fired bullet cannot be elevated (directed) upward because then the energy/velocity of the bullet drives is upward while the dropped bullet is merely accelerated by gravity's pull.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors I completely agree. Thanks Ron.
🧐 Ron, it would be nice if you would provide more specific numbers as to the barrel life of these two cartridges, as that is the title of this video? 🤷♂️
Those ballistic trajectory graphs are just that, a graph so it's not necessarily an accurate representation, that being said you have to remember that if that graph is covering a long distance then it might be a fairly accurate representation, you have to tilt the barrel up a little bit more for every increase in distance so the barrel is going to be pointed up quite a bit more for 700 yards then it would be for 100 yd
Depends on situation. Survival or recreational 400 yards and in is ethical
On the hunting question I would say what I do is waiting sitting in a blind. I feel hunting is going out looking for the game and then harvesting it. I have bone both.
Regarding the loudness of rifle fire. The distinction is between sound intensity (power per unit area) and perceived loudness of sounds (how loud the noise seems). Here's what to remember: intensity doubles with every 3 dBA increase; loudness generally doubles with every 10 dBA increase. If your protectors reduce sound levels by 20 dBA, the intensity decreases by a factor of 100 while it will sound will be 4 times less loud. A really good protector can reduce levels by 30 dB which means reducing the sound intensity by 1,000 and loudness by a factor of 8. The objective is to reduce the intensity; reductions in loudness go along for the ride. The commentator's recommendation is on spot: wear good, high quality hearing protectors with high NRR and use a suppressor if you can.
Back in 1959 I went hunting with my father and younger brother. We were hunting outside of Republic Washington, and stayed at a local farm. The farm was run by two brothers, these were hillbillies. We started out from the farm and on a ridge was a whitetail. One of the brothers placed the butt of his rifle on the ground and carefully lined up the shot. Yes, the angle was near 45°. He shot just as the deer crossed the ridgeline. His response was We better go see , so we climbed the ridge and on the otherside was a four point buck.
That bullit had hit this deer on the far side of the ridge, and killed it dead. We had venison for dinner. I think it was Storm King Mountain...but my memory fades...
I believe it is a myth about spinning water direction in the different hemispheres.
its not.....
Decibels are measured logarithmically. This is a way of counting or measuring something that increases rapidly, or exponentially. For example, every increase of 10 dB on the decibel scale is equal to a 10-fold increase in sound pressure level (SPL). Near silence is expressed as 0 dB but a sound measured at 10 dB is actually 10 times louder. If a sound is 20 dB, that's 100 times louder than near silence.
Wanted to add this on bullet drop:
Gravity acts on all objects at 32.2 ft/s^2 or 9.81m/s^2. A faster and more aerodynamic bullet will have less drop only because gravity has less time to act on it (meaning it gets to the target faster than a slower moving bullet).
2 identically shaped bullets, fired from the same location/altitude, fired on the same trajectory, but travelling at different velocities, and in flight for 5 seconds will drop the same amount. However the 2 bullets will cover different horizontal distances in that 5 second flight.
If you want the slower bullet to reach the same distant target as the faster one, you have to aim higher because the slower one takes longer to get to the target, giving gravity more time to act on it.
Great podcast Ron. Really looking forward to hearing your book/author list on the next on! 👏
The thing that will probably help the most, and that was not mentioned, to help with "buck fever" is competition. Whether it's NRL Hunter or 3D archery matches, there is nothing that will get your nerves going like competition. Even if you're just competing for fun or for training, the excitement and stress of competition is as close as you can get to an actual hunting situation.
Yeah, bullets have guidance systems (called barrels). They can rise or fall depending on the zero on the homing devices (called sights/scopes).
Pretty good explanation of Coriolis but I would clarify one thing. When shooting north (in the northern hemisphere), it's not the fact that Earth is spinning and moving sideways that causes the error. It's the fact that your target is closer to the Earth's axis of rotation than you are, and therefore it moves at a different speed than you during the bullet's flight. At the equator you're shots will be nearly parallel to Earth's axis of rotation, and Coriolis is negligible. But at the 45th parallel you're shooting at a 45 degree angle down toward that axis. Your target is traveling a smaller circle as the planet rotates so it has to move more slowly. When shooting southward the effect is reversed, but so is the direction of rotation relative to your target. This is why the effect will always tend to push your bullets to the right when shooting north or south. I live near the 40th parallel and my corrections with a 270 WSM are only 0.5 inches at 500 yards. At 1000 yards it's around 2-3 inches. Anytime I shoot past 600 yards at anything I use my ballistic calculator anyway so it's a simple matter of acquiring the azimuth (direction) and my calculator adjusts automatically. Your advice to ignore Coriolis when shooting 600 yards or less is solid gold, my friend. Keep up the great work.
Nice, clear explanation, Cody! Thanks for helping us out.
Spot and stalk comes to my mind. I grew up hunting out west. Mule deer and elk. Also squirrels and rabits when we were kids. We ate every thig we took. That's hunting in my mind. I have nothing against how people like to hunt just keep it legal. And pack it all out not just the racks.
Having crossed the Equator on a ship, I can tell you that Toilets Do Not change the direction that they flush. The spin direction of a toilet, is determined by the manufacturer. The Coriolis effect is real; Hurricanes and Tornadoes spin in different directions. In the Northern Hemisphere, winds moving north are diverted eastward, and winds moving south are diverted westward. In the Southern Hemisphere, winds traveling toward the equator will move eastward, and winds traveling toward the South Pole will curve west.
I account for the corealis effect, by getting closer to the animal.
Perfect!
According to my calculations, the Earth is rotating a little slower than the 24,000 miles an hour that you stated; it is closer to 1,166 mi. per hr.
Thanks
The right way is the only way
I have never gotten buck fever before the animal is down, but I _always_ get the shakes afterwards. Call it backwards buck fever, I guess.
That bullet arc thing is like arguing about the earth being flat. I think some people are just messing with others but that leads to people actually believing the bull shoot. I think a small part of it is looking at graphs that aren't to scale. The Y axis is always in inches and the X axis in hundreds of yards. There are 3,600 inches in each of those 100 yards. You only visualize the arc when that distance is condensed relative to elevation.
I have been told (but am no expert) that the M1A iron sights are designed to bisect the trajectory at both 100 and 300 yards to efficiently utilize the maximum point blank range of the 5.56 Nato ammo in combat scenarios.
If you get buck fever you are not a hunter! Facts
Coriolis effect changes with latitude. The earth moves faster at the equator.
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47 years old, never had buck fever, I must be dead inside.
Don’t know what ur missing 😂
Can't wait for that Angles video
I am from Sunny Southern Indiana...
Just a thought I had..What is the comparible weatherby cartridge to the 30-06? with all of its wonderfull options. I am sure you would know better than me :) Thanks
I get wound up on whitetail deer bucks and does lol doe fever I have seen in real life lol but I have shot elk with a bow and thought it was like shooting a horse didn't do much for me idk but it was weird been way more wound up over deer especially muley version
Bullets do not have left and will follow the same whether you drop it with no velocity imparted upon it or if it's shot out of a gun. That is if you put a gun loaded with a let's say 30 ought 6 bullet and then you took the bullet out of the case and had it sitting at the same height and had the gun and the barrel super level in a viceless say and you shot them both you would find if you could somehow detect it that the bullet shot from the rifle and the bullet dropped to the ground at the moment the rifle was fired would actually hit the ground within thousandths of a second of each other in the air only being with the human timing of things it's just how physics works. Now that doesn't mean you can't have some kind of wind up drift of draft that could give you the illusion of lift but a bullet is not a lifting body it's not like a wing it doesn't create lift the only thing even remotely you could say about that is with any truthful in it is that the twist dozen Park torque on the bullet and sometimes as the bullet spins slows down it can cause it to torque one way or the other depending on which way the twist is and I've seen guys in the oil hurt of guys shooting at thousand plus yard distances with 308 rounds have to take that kind of stuff into account just because of 308 and a thousand yards is a rough rough or should I say a tall order to to do anyway thanks for letting me share
Enjoyed this episode very much.
As far as what is a hunter, I agree with ethical. However ethical is very situational. If I am in survival mode, which means if I don't kill, I don't eat, the ethics change, from sport hunting. The American Indians ran bison off cliffs to get a few steaks and a nice blanket. People could say it was wasteful. However it was the fastest, easiest and safest way to hunt a very dangerous animal.
They got way more than a few steaks and a nice blanket.
@@albosarge7282 90+ % of the meat was wasted. The American Indians were not careful and knowledgeable stewards of the land any more than any other hunter gather culture was. It makes me laugh seeing tree huggers wearing shirts or have posters with chief Seattle's famous speech. It never happened. In America, the only group I know that consistently given money and time to help wildlife on a large scale is hunters, fishermen and people buying ammo. Unfortunately, modern shooter's now tend to be people not raised in a gun or hunting culture, who go out, shoot and leave their trash behind. There are areas in New mexico, I won't go into starting 2 weeks before hunting season starts until 2 weeks after its over. My son was 8 and we were out riding in northern New Mexico. It was 3 days before hunting season. We started taking fire. We were both wearing orange as were our animals. The fire wasn't shot at us, but someone heard the noise and was trying to hit something. We never found out who it was. But there were 26 6.5 creedmoor cases on the ground. That stuff sadly is becoming more and more common
@@JohnGalt-vr3lx I know exactly what you’re saying about the state of the hunting public these days. But I am curious where you get your figure of 90% of the meat being wasted from Native Americans. Keep in mind I’m not trying to start an argument I’m just curious
@@albosarge7282 I had a close friend in the army who was dine. His half sister was like 3/4 dine and part Tohono O’odham. She had a bachelors degree in ethnic studies I believe. She was working on a masters degree. It was something like "similarities in hunting in native groups pre industrialization " she also worked as a hunting guide off reservation. She was very interested in possible extinction events caused by primitive hunting methods. I spoke with her whenever I would go to the rez. Then my friend died of pancreatic cancer, that IHS said was acid reflux. I still went to visit every 12 to 18 months. That stopped after 9/11 when I got a contracting job over in Iraq. I was there until 2007. I went to the res when I got back and the Navajo res (which was one of the most successful and functional reservations) it was destroyed by gangs and drugs. The crime level was horrible and the drug use was worse than housing projects in Oakland. Their house was abandoned and it wasn't the kind of neighborhood to knock on doors asking questions. I found out from Indian affairs that she had married and the family had moved. Never heard from her again. But she had brought up multiple cases of native hunting practices which were very wasteful. Especially when tribes/groups had grown large and lacked salt. I never found anything on line about the study. I think it was a get married to support youngest brother and mom and school had to go.
I guess that Buffalo Bill was actually kinder than the noble faultless superior angel like indians.
Speaking of buck fever. I’ve always thought of things that made me angry. Yes I’m excited after the shot but during the process I’m angry so I’m not shaking or likely to miss.
I find that 400 yards is about as far as I shoot. Most shots are 100-200 yards. Long shots are situational and the circumstances determine the distance at which the hunter feels competent.
The worst thing is to wound an animal and it escapes or suffers needlessly. I found that the most fun of hunting was the stalk.
There are South American tribes that up with Poison arrows, and they are most definitely ethical hunters
45/70 factory loads are not loaded down...Remington's 405 grain load is the one exception and cowboy loads , as well! Check out Buffalo Bore loads Mr. S ...these ain't your trap door loads!!
Long shooting of big horn sheep, has to be done in most cases from long range
This is a no-brainer people. Why would you sight in 2 inches high at 100 in order to hit dead on at 200. Obviously the barrel is pointed up. Come on folks.
The army guy forgot he shot a 3 round group to sight in before qualifying. Or at least that's what I remember.
Also, to control buck fever, don't FEAR missing. Don't look at the whole animal.....just look where you want to hit it.
Would love to see a video on 7.62x39
Barrel life?
When I buy a new rifle I do everything I can to wear out the cheap factory barrel. So I can have it replaced with a Bartline barrel.
Townson Whelan said only accurate rifles are interesting. Good bedding and a Bartline barrel are real interesting.
Ron if it's all about gravity why do bullets fall at a different rate at different altitudes? Air pressure and density have an affect. If they didn't I'd never been able to throw a curve ball that rose and dived. Golf balls rise and dive and land soft or run out off of spin rate. Ask a physicist,they'll tell you.
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You are sending both baseballs and golf balls on an arcing trajectory and imparting spin on them (which can create pressure differentials generating lift or downforce). Gravity acts on all objects at 32.2 ft/s^2 or 9.81m/s^2. A faster and more aerodynamic bullet will have less drop only because gravity has less time to act on it (meaning it gets to the target faster than a slower moving bullet). 2 identically shaped bullets, fred from the same location/altitude, fired on the same trajectory, but travelling at different velocities, and in flight for 5 seconds will drop the same amount. However the 2 bullets will cover different horizontal distances in that 5 seconds.
On the audio version, I could not find the barrel life topic of barrel life.
Earth is spinning at about 1000 mph, if it's spin was 24000 mph a day would be only one hour long, but I'm sure you know that you just got your numbers crossed 🙃.. great content as always.
The Coriolis affect and the ethos affect are two different things. They have different affects according to location on the globe
Long Range shooters, (including snipers), adjust for angle of attack, spin drift, altitude, atmospheric pressure, wind and temperature; I have never met a competition long range shooter who worried about the latitude or direction the range is facing.
Mr. Sp;omer, why is it when you're zeroing your your rifle, your bullet will shoot low at 25 yds, then goes a little higher at 50 yds, then in about a 100;yds, your bullet will hit about the center of your target? I would appreciate why do the bullet behave that way?
Good question and simple reason: it's because your sights sit 1 to 2 inches above your bore. The bullet thus emerges under your sight line. Because gravity immediately pulls it, you'd never hit what you aim at. Would always be at least 2 inches low. So we adjust our sights/aiming point downward. This forces the barrel to be canted or angled slightly upward so that it's actually a couple of inches above the bullseye/our aiming point at 100 yards. This means it starts out about 1.5 inches below our line of sight, flies up through line of sight at about 25 yards, continues on that upward angle while gravity is pulling it down. By 100 yards or so (depending on muzzle velocity and bullet's aerodynamic efficiency) its hits the 100-yard aiming point or slightly above it. I usually zero my hunting rifles (in the 270 Win. class) 2.5 inches high at 100. Bullets then hit about 3 inches high at 150, are about 2 inches high at 200, dead on at about 250, and 3 to 6 inches low at 300. Cheers.
Hunting books? Peter Capstick!!!
Does anyone know if you can use the same load data for H4831 as H4831sc. I can't find the short cut in my reloading manual?
Why does your RUclips placard have a bullet keyhole on it??
Lol love your podcasts and videos!
Actually, airplane fly same time.
From New York to California. And from california to new york. Doesn't matter which way earth spinn.
What? Hunting from helicopters is hunting. For us modern day at least. Just like hunting with thermal and night vision.
These are almost exclusively used for nuisance hogs and coyotes
Jack London?
That is sniping not hunting if you need to take in spin drift to factor hold when shooting
Sadly, the art of the stalk to a high percentage one shot kill distance has been forgotten, and now it seems everyone is a sniper and an operator. You never get to see the wounded animals running off on these long range shooting U tubes. The inability to perfectly dope wind over great distances where wind can change vertically and laterally ( never a constant) grows exponential with increased distance. Add an error in ranging, imperfect rest, mirage which occurs even on a winter day (optic aberrations) and none of this long range stuff meets the ethical test. Add spin drift, Coriolis effect, variation in velocity between rounds and the errors further multiply. Take the 7mm REM Mag, a very flat shooting cartridge with reasonable B.C. At 500 yards, a 20 mph full value wind ( common in Utah, Montana and Colorado will displace a 160 grain bullet approx 27 inches. That’s a gut shot deer or Elk or a blown off leg. Well outside the pie plate goal for the kill zone. Hunters (especially our young hunters) need to be taught to have enough respect for our big game to close the distance by stalking or passing up the shot.
This is what I’m saying
Buck fever AND hubris.
264 win mag history please
I am a 243 guy. I fell into the 6.5 prc "new" cartridge trap and am happy for it. When you pass 300 yards, it is stable and dependable. Windy days on my range, 6.5 PRC really gives no shits out to 500.
Listen to the Zen master bullets fall instantly when they leave a barrel that’s perfectly level. No you Army boys don’t have magic pixy dust fueling your rifles that make a bullet rise out of the bore. Science wins this one.
The 25 meter zero target for the Army is supposed to replicate the 300 meter target. Zero at 25 meters and as long as your fundamentals are good you should make hits at all ranges out to 300 meters as long as you aim center mass.
One of the worst zeroes ever devised.
Funny to hear people go into hand loading, but then they're seeking shortcut the work of load development for each rifle.
Horseshoe in my hip pocket
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Barrel life? Need a show on ammo life because it takes 23 years to go through a box. 😂
The revolution ammo it's actually lever lotion like Revolution but lever Lucian, anyway it's a play on words but they make a 30-30 round that has a polymer tip that is a spitzer bullet and is much quicker and has much more punch than a regular round noses 30-30 ammo. The polymer tip in this 30-30 bullet is actually a little soft to the touch then the polymer tips and say like anything else like the green tip 556 ammo so because it's a little softer you don't have the risk of magazine internal detonation from recoil if you are running your 30-30 ammo in a like a model what is it 94.96 Winchester lever action and I meant 94 or 96 but and I'm retarded because I actually have a 1960 model 94 or I think it is 94 for some reason I'm thinking 96 but I could be wrong but it's great my granddad gave it to me and it's super mega accurate and those Revolution Levolution ammo by Hornady is just awesome and probably actually and I don't have 300 Blackout here beside me as far as info but I would bet that that ammo about Hornady with the Spitzer shape of the bullet and a ballistic tip would definitely outperform the 300 Blackout. Now there's no guns that are set up like a gun that shoots 300 Blackout like a AR-15 that shoots 30-30 partially because 30-30 is a rim cartridge and Because unless you were to take 308 bullets and use those to reload your own 30-30 rounds so they would then look like a 300 Blackout or a 30-06 round, if you do that then you again have a 30-30 bullet that will absolutely rip and certainly do equal to a 300 Blackout and I've used both, being a 308 bullet that was bought in bulk by Hornady and then they were used to reload 3030 brass and they were just awesome and because these were not polytipped with the soft spongy type tip you could only load one of the chamber and then load the first one in the magazine so you basically use your 30-30 as a two-shot gun and that way again you avoided the possibility of having a eruption from a detonation inside the tube magazine so you're limited to just the two rounds but a lot of long distance hunting guns only hold three rounds so you know if you're hunting anything you only have a couple shots so I don't see it as a big disadvantage. But my 30-30 is top eject because of the year it was made, so I would have to put a pistol scope that has a really long eye relief in front of the ejection port and just make sure I set the scope exactly right and use the right scope the right pistol scope and then I could actually run a scope on it and you know hit 300 yards commonly without too much trouble. Right now I've got it zero to hit 300 I'm sorry 200 yards where it is right now. If you aim the iron stock sites at a Target at 200 yards you will hit it dead on where you're aiming. This gun is so accurate it really is amazing considering how old it is too and when it was made. And I really don't know much about this gun as far as the Twist and the rifling and the direction and how many rifling grooves it has and like I said I don't know which direction it's twist is or the ratio you know 1 to10 or is it 1 to 7 or what the hell is it?
My point in this message or comment is that there are 30-30 rounds out there that are highly competitive to even a modern round. And especially if you took a 30-30 case or brass as it might be referred to and took a 308 which is a 30 caliber round which is what 30-30 shoots and what I mean by 308 is you bought a 308 bullet Spitzer and then loaded it into a 30-30 brass and then made it a little spicy increase the pressure a little bit because the model 94 is a pretty beefy chamber breach on that gun you could give it a little more juice not crazy but just a little more and you would for sure then at that point you would have around that would definitely be equal or better than a regular 300 Blackout. And I don't know what weights of ingrains, that a regular 300 Blackout bullet would weigh but I think 120 110 to 150 somewhere around there is what a 30-30 bullet would weigh or you can definitely get them in that range but if you were using a 308 is the bullet and a Reload situation you could use a whole range of weights and if you needed to go on the Lighter Side to increase your velocity you might end up getting the same energy in pounds of force by increasing the velocity and get better ballistic performance it would take some trial and error but I have no doubt that a 30-30 could perform as well as a 300 Blackout cartridge
AAAH, OK
Let's see 6.5 hard to find ammo 270 everyone sells that...
You said diameter and I'm fairly sure you meant circumference. Grandma is doing fine. She forgives you for stepping on her.
LOL there is no arc through a dialed scope.