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- Опубликовано: 10 дек 2009
- New York Hung Ga's Informational Series: Talking About Wong Fei Hung's 10 Killing Hands. Most of the information you find on the internet is about the names and corresponding techniques of the 10 Killing Hands; in this video, we'll explore the 10 results Wong Fei Hung strived to achieve with his 10 Killing Hands to end a fight. Peformed by Sifu Yui Chow and Sifu Donny Chavez.
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As someone who has studied Hung Gar in my past, it is a great video. These are great self defense techniques , but need to be supplemented with regular sparring by the students. Once they know how to spar , figure out distance vs a non compliant opponent , their confidence ,and ability to apply these techniques will improve.
My father is an Internal and Wing-Chun practitioner, it takes a deeper understanding (feel of quality in techniques) to appreciate what is being shown. In his eyes he would see what you are sharing as more then generous, thank you for your insight sifu. As far as MMA, that is comparing apples and oranges. It is so sad when martial artist have to turn comments and ratings off just because others can not appreciate a teacher's generosity. If something does not work for you then it takes a modest person with good temperament to keep their opinions to themselves.
Well said
There is nothing apples and oranges about MMA and traditional arts... If you can't apply the art in MMA then you can't apply the art against decent fighters under pressure... It's that simple...
@@trondyne3513 No, it's not. Some techniques work in a sporting environment and may fail in the real world, ex MMA style, ground grappling against multiple opponents.
That HAS failed in real life encounters. MOST traditional arts don't do it because they recognise it as dangerous.
The only reason it works regularly in MMA is because MMA competition is always one on one.
If they had 2 on 1 MMA fights...nobody would be grappling on the ground.
MMA fights don't involve attacks from behind..at least not initially. But, traditional martial arts do address that.. people do try grab/hit/stab, etc, other people, from behind, in the real world.
MMA is not the last word on fighting, dear sir.
True kung fu and MMA have nothing in common, kung fu the power that you get just from the horse stance alone is unmatched and the breathing movements a fight will never last, my dad was a master I know he was shorter than me by the way I’m 62 had to be good 55
@@trondyne3513 biggest lie ever told the power that you get from traditional original I’m talking about the old Kang fool, the stamina alone you can’t get from just running and jogging and kicking and punching, to push yourself with kung fu you become powerful in the breath movements and all the hands in his arm to hit nerve punches with fluid power a normal man who has not trained in specific art of breathing and internal organ conditioning you will go down, this is not just a head kick punch art form
a very interesting and well done video! I read a lot of criticisms of traditional kung- fu in the comments section. I think some people fail to realize that kung-fu was a way of life, and not just a few quick lessons to prepare for a fight in a few weeks or months.
I have gained much through traditional training as I have from non- traditional ( Wing Chun) training.
Unless I missed something, I don't think any sifu expects a student to rigidly adhere to every fine point of his system in a real fight. My experience is that by practicing low stances and exaggerated postures, that in a pinch the body will respond with whatever degree of technique is necessary to achieve results.
Thank you for sharing these techniques.
The problem is not what a Sifu might expect a student to do in a "real fight" the problem is that the student should be fighting in class and there should be no question of what works... Those low stances have a purpose, just as in Western Boxing not all boxers dance around yet they knock people out... If people are wondering what will work then there is a real problem because it means you haven't learned how to fight you've learned something else...
@@trondyne3513 kung fu is good, if you also combine modern training like mma, sanda and thai boxing. you also found many techniques in sanda, mma also presents in kung fu. no need to argue which one is better take all the things that work to you
As a pratitioner of Taoist Kung Fu, I've had the same experience. I even taught "sticky" or "pushing" hands to my brothers wrestling team in High School with good results. A wrestler can not wrestle if he cant even grab you. And most wrestling matches happen because both people WANT to wrestle, or were trained to. It's not that hard to slip away and stay away for those who do not WANT to wrestle or brawl.
Great video! Straight and simple lethal attacks...
Applications are always contextual. It is not a question of the attacks themselves being often used and to defend those in a determined way rather than to be ABLE to use these techniques in the case of possible attacks. More to understand as technical options for the special kind of attacks.It also makes you less vulnerable if you know such techniques.You can´t defend yourself properly against techniques you don´t know yourself. Action and reaction..very very nice. Thank you for this one
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Great exposition. Well done, Sifu Yui. Thanks for sharing.
Very good 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Very excellent 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 and thank from your sharing.
I have practicing the hung kar since my age18 years old .Present I am 57 years old.講解和演习分解得很好,有高水平.
謝謝諸位演练的师父.
Very very nice !
thank you sifu. enjoyed the video very much.
Excellent lesson Sifu Yui! Nice to see good Hung Gar is still out there.
Wow, that's great. Thank you for showing 👍😃
Hey 1776JMB, one of the things you need to do is build up your finger strength and the squeezing power. Hung Ga has many training methods to do both (like Tiger Claw training). And then you can rubber band a bunch of round chop sticks together; then practice grabbing them, digging your thumb into and separating the chop sticks, and squeezing the bunch together. There are many other ways, but this one comes to mind immediately.
Back in 1978 Sifu Yee palced more emphasis on the techinque rather than the target. The techniques were as I expressed them in my article 9 poison hands in IKF. Sifu Yee and I disussed this numerous times the main grouping of the type of technique double hands, no shadow kick etc. This makes it uniquely Hung Ga.
Excellent video Sifu, love the movement of hung kune. I studied HAP GAR many years ago, And hung gar was part of the system. Best wishes
I just started hung gar training 2 weeks ago, and this video is wonderful, you guys are great.
i think this video is great! thanks for posting it.
We practice Hung Ga in Brazil!!
Cara, eu sou muito fã de Hung Gar, mas queria que me tirasse uma dúvida: pq o indicador levantado na sua base padrão? Nunca achei fontes explicando a fundo a razão disso.
É puramente por uma questão energética. Para trabalhos de chi kung o dedo levantado ajuda na dominação da energia e trabalha melhor a tensão dinâmica.
No just me
really? I thought Brazilian jiujitsu was your thing
WOW...!!!! I heard about these ten hand forms when I was younger. Great! I'll favourite this.
Excellent video, great technique.
Dangerous stuff for sure. Thank you for sharing.
Hi MrMidnightSpecialist, you are correct in that Hung Ga and Hung Gar is the same, The difference is that the usage of GA is the correct Cantonese pronunciation as Hung Kuen is a Southern Style a'la Canton. The usage of GAR is more Westernized and is used a lot too, but Ga is closer in sound than Gar - both meaning "family".
Great video and direct techniques. thanks for putting it up! Respect. in Southern California there is a very good teacher who was a class mate of Y.C. Wong under Lam Jo his name is Sifu Bucksam Kong (Kongs Siu Lum Pai) in Glendale California. He is a legendary traditional Hung Gar teacher. check the school out, there are some good senior students there as well :)
Yegenek, if someone was to copy what they see on this video exactly, no one should get hurt, as no one was hurt during the filming of this video. If someone was to deviate from what is shown, then injuries can happen. That is why proper training is needed to do these or any other technqiues as stated in the "Disclaimer" at the beginning of the video.
this is awsome nice!!! thanks!
Good video. I like Hung Ga's weapons forms too.
Hi Jarrmful, the technique you are referring to can actually crack the eye socket - a major target since it's so close to the cheek bone- if your hands are conditioned and you whip it fast enough. Speed is no good if you don't train your body to withstand the stress you will encounter, that's why the conditioning of the hands, the feet, in fact, the entire body, is important.
@packie009 Well put. I don't know anyone who trains seriously in any of the fighting arts, whether it's kung fu, karate, bjj, mma, eskrima, savate, tae kwon do, etc., to ever talk badly about another style. It all comes down to respecting the hard work and discipline it takes to train and better yourself. Anyone who makes broad statements about another style is just that, a talker and not training.
Absolutely correct! Training deepens sincerity, and crushes vanity. Humility leads to wisdom.
We share the same goal. We share the same sacrifice. We share the same respect.
Laoshr #60
Ching Yi Kung Fu Association
Great variety of technique! Good Hung Gar!
Excellent!
Thank you Sifu. I appreciate your sharing with us. We are always learning. I like the twist, and take down, on the elbow break techniques. The Crane wing was also sweet. I trust the school is surviving Covid grandly. All the best to you.
Laoshr #60
Ching Yi Kung Fu Association
It's really useful thank you
good job bro.
Superb techniques... Much respect for Hung Gar!
Hello Sifu!, Hello from Los Angeles, I recognize My great-great Grand master Dang Fong, and My Great Grand Master Ho Lap Tin in the back at the altar/shrine ... keep them good videos coming!
Great video tshe tshe
Great instructor
Very informative video. Very complete solution to deal with both wide attacks and tight centerline attacks.
A friend of mine once show me this video asking me to teach him Sup Duk Sao. He is a police officer who wished to learn Hung Ga killing moves like Krav Maga sequences. I asked him to drill himself in the basics first. It is hard to teach someone something advanced without foundation and martial ethics.
Excellent video!!!
Five points of course.
Greetings form Germany
@NewYorkHungGa: Thank you for posting these techniques. These are definitely techniques one can use to defend himself and to end a fight quickly and properly. Also, is Hung Ga a short pronunciation for Hung Gar? I am interested in learning more about the style. Thanks and good day!
My Sigung is John SS Leong. Kung Fu Salute fellow Hung Ga Brother. Your technique is deadly and flawless.
Sifu Leong is a legend! Respects to you as well brother!
NIce stuff!
From what I have gathered from this video, Hung Gar at a combat only level is drilling in the places to aim for in order to take out the opponent. I like it, it's one thing to preach "all you have to do is hit this vital part here" and practicing it in an efficient manner/ getting the mentality down.
🙏☯️Great demonstration of the killing hands. Indeed they are for one thing and one thing only, killing your opponent, which is the only time that one should ever have to fight anyone to begin with.
These 10 Killing Hands of Hung Gar are really dangerous if you apply in real life threatening situations, it must be practiced with caution, if you use it properly it will be a valuable self defense technique.
THIS IS VERY NICE GOOD
hung gar is an awsome style,some cool techniques there.
Respect. this is real damage (even fatal) being done here so be prepared for jail unless you are in a civilian war.
Agreed, even if many would argue that real fighting is a lot more fluid than what is being demonstrated on his 'training dummy'. Punching people in the throat probably looks like a good idea to some watching this video, but what happens when their larynx collapses and you're left with a manslaughter rap ? I realise that 'martial' means war but unless your in Afghanistan, the legal system might not see it that way. Might seem an overreaction when we have YT vids demonstrating knives and guns being used for 'self defence', but that's presumably in situations where you are being threatened by an armed attacker not some drunk throwing a haymaker.
Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six. "To be merciful to your opponent is to be cruel to ones self."
i used to be a part of this hung ar school chinatown branch. great techniques! i would love to go back but no money. i miss the days of horse stances, bow stances etc...
I really enjoyed watching this. can u post more on the 5 animals and 5 elements
@cal086 You're misunderstanding me; to best illustrate some of the ways to achieve the "10 Killing Hand" RESULTS (that's what I was talking about in the beginning of the video), I used these particular attacks (there're others but I can't show every possible way) - most from an attempted grab, but also some from straight punches. Its hard to film at full speed because then I'd have to counter at full speed and its VERY hard to pull your punches.
ive been training for a few years i dont train hung ga anymore mostly wing chun but the toughest guy i ever trained with was my Sifu at Yee's hung ga. this vieo is awsome can u post more
Did I not say that there are many ways to achieve these results? It's Hung Ga because I teach Hung Ga. Against a skilled opponent, another skilled person CAN get to these places just as they can get to any other parts. It's all up to the individual.
There are a few technics shown capable of at the least maiming your opponent. Some sufficient for possible death,blindness,dis-able. Very affective in application. The traditional Wing Chun from mainland China has some similar attacks. Kick to coxic or what ever coming up,heart punch with ginger fist, Pheonix eye strikes to eyes,temples,neck,arms. I being a Wing Chun man myself believe Wing Chun borrowed some Hung Ga. Keep on training. Peace
@cal086 Because this video is about the "10 Killing Hands", not a self-defense against jabs/straight punches. I would use different techniques to counter those (such as a Leopard Fist after a parry, or a front snap kick), not necessarily the 10 Killing Hands.
Hi bornehere, The attack you are seeing is an attempted grab, although it can be done when someone tries to punch you too. What I'm doing is moving out of the line of attack, redirecting the force with my forearm as I step into their dead angle, riding over their attack, jamming their arm by coming over and trapping it. By sinking down, I displace their balance, and I strike their groin with my trapping hand, seizing it as I strike. And the rest is, well, there on the video...I hope this helps
There is so. Much Aikido here. I’m 67. And I remember seeing Hung Gar. Leopard Style. I studied Poekalan at 12 years old. Animal FormKung Fu. Very similar.
I train in Wing Chun. It's interesting to see the different techniques used in Kung Fu. We use the Crane and Snake whilst you use the Crane and Tiger. Your video was executed very well and the techniques would work. Very nice video.
Hi,
B4 I say this Hung gar looks great. The moves and all that, but Wing Chun is my baby!
I used to practise as a teenager, its never left me. Still thinks its the best fighting system, inside + outside of Kung Fu.
I may be wrong, but I bet even Bruce Lee would've admitted this also?
If your family's safety is on the line you would be amazed what you are capable of doing. Kung Fu is to better yourself and protect your loved ones.
This was worth watching. I do Wu Taiji, a lot of similarities, we aim for the same effect, good to compare and consider. Thanks
Gratitude.
@austinalana Thank you for your service brother.
Nice to see some of the conceptual/strategic side of Hung Ga, though it appears that most of the people in the comment section saw only techniques.
Good observation War Priest. Concepts are important here because you can’t demo every type of attack. But the application concepts can be adjusted to different situations. And not every concept will work for a specific situation, that’s why being to adjust is so important.
Being a an exponent of bajiquan I see some similar concepts presented here.
Respects. Love Bajiquan!
Makes sense, since Baji and Hung Gar are two of the most aggressive styles of kung fu that I know of.
Muito bom
What about the one demonstrated in Donnie Yen's Wu Xia (Swordsman), where you use what I now understand is ox-horn to the temple? I thought at first it was just obvious, cause the temple is a well-known weak-point in the martial arts community, but you found it necessary to show going for the groin. Protecting the "masses," or is there a part 2 I should look for?
I realize these are all static moves, but at least they are against a looping right cross (very instinctual attack) and not a stepping karate lunge pump with the arm left out. Very cool.
yup only question thought is there a video on blocking those moves or countering them??
true, killing hands is the best way to describe them
Oh ok Sifu, well, if you or anyone in the amazing Hung Gar family considers moving west, we have lots and lots of room for you here in San Diego, and lots of sunshine to practice in!
Not hug, more like grab :) Anyway, I chose these attacks to illustrate the "Killing Hand" technique you can use. You can certainly use other techniques like I stated, and not all techniques will work in all sitchies.
Hello, I have a question: Why is your five animals so different? And if so, can I learn your version of five animals form?
Sifu, are there any Hung schools you know if in the Southern California area? we really need some
OK listen up guys.. TMA or traditional martial arts is legit in many ways.. not all ways tho. MMA comes out of TMA but MMA has good and bad as well. MMA is a sport mostly, and TMA is really not effective as a sport, and only effective at the beginning of a street encounter. MMA and TMA complement each other, but there is no substitute for training in speed, power and technique including all aspects of fitness. All combat is about movement, application and impact.. simple, not easy
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Dean Miller well said
You can't do BJJ in the streets!
@@johngr1747 Not true, you can if the streets aren't too dirty and if you're dealing with a single opponent. It's not as straightforward as MMA fans like to say it is, but, it can and has, been applied.
@@davidbarnwell_virtual_clas6729 If you've been in a real street fight im sure you're aware very rarely does someone attack you alone. BJJ is not good for the street its origin comes from competition. I say this as someone who practiced it in the past and as someone who has been in multiple fights. I'm from NYC and I can tell you from the late 60's to 80's when NYC was rly bad these guys doing TMA were legit bodying people. TMA is practical what people fail to realize is the way they teach now is not the same as they taught before. I also have experience in kung fu and boxing.
@BushidoCode72 Actually, I've seen friends practicing the first technique of hitting the ear. They had 40 plus years experience in the arts. One of them accidentally made contact to the ear, and not even that hard, and it incapacitated his partner. Also, most application drills are done with obvious or slow attcks first to allow someone to develop the range of motion, then, speed is added later to make it more realistic.
@cal086 Also, the goal of this clip is to illustrate the results you want to achieve to end the fight (with whatever technique you want to use), If someone was jabbing, it may not be feasible to use any of these techniques, but rather others (like a Chop Chuy) to counter. For a straight punch, you can certainly use the Sup Ji Sau to trap, and then do the "Break the Face" palm to the face. No disrespect taken - good question.
@BushidoCode72 If you paid attention to what was SAID in the video, no one ever said these were "killing" techniques. Of course it's rehearsed, its an informational video. For your edification, I choked out a high school champion wrestler, weighing 100 lbs more than me, and had 8" over me, over 10 years ago - when I was less skilled, not with any of these techniques, but definitely with Hung Ga kung fu techniques. Brush up on what the term Bushido means before you use it as your call name.
Angelo I think u have to train another 10 years to understand how complete system and perfect for fighting hung gar is. I have a friend who's a judo champion in Israel and I don't find it very difficult at all to spar with him. Just have to avoid been caught.
@cal086 Southern Praying Mantis is good stuff, good internals in the later stages.
oh man, these moves are dangerous! that's why kung fu is rarely seen in competition it at all.
3:54 i know this move, they use it in the form Fu Hok Seung Ying (tiger and crane), actually, not just this move, theres a couple moves from that form they use in this video
@ Crack the Groin, the red shirt guy just wanted a hug. (I can't imagine why else anybody would come at you like that.)
Até que enfim tecnicas boas
Nobody is going to fight by bear hugging you.
Also consider these to be Wong Fei Hung's 10 Cheap Shots/Fight Dirty/Anything Goes techniques. Do whatever it takes to survive. They won't get you a standing ovation but if you rip a guy's neck tendon out or rip his penis off or uppercut him in the throat or actually land a solid strike to the tailbone, the fight will probably end.
Because it wasn't like a videotaped challenge match. We were playing around at first in my living room because he thought he could beat me and then things got heated; I choked him out with from behind because I was faster and slippier than he was.
I’m learning hung gar because of watching avatar the last airbender I love the earth nation
*The earth kingdom
"Killing Hands" easily applied to Bagua Zhang (or most other martial arts). Thanks, but maybe you should tell us what positives can be learned from Hung Ga. I've always understood Wong Fei Hung to be the "Good Guy ".
@TheRoeliskoel Agreed, the attacks are not full blown attacks. More like "this is what you can do if someone does this". After all, this is not a "fighting" clip, but rather more of a self-defense clip using Hung Ga's 10 Killing Hands theories.
I am a practitioner of Hung Ga for a year now. these moves serve as a very good lesson to me. I am actually looking for Hung ga's training method on the mook jong and find it hard to access. Can Sifu help in this area too? Thank you!
Are you still training? If so it is time for wooden man. A good student trains his whole life. Although I don't believe in a concept of mastery, I do have a motto. "Ten years to black belt. A lifetime to mastery." Keep practice. Good luck.
Laoshr #60
Ching Yi Kung Fu Association
Do they teach in san francisco area??
4:31 Isn't that what the real "no shadow kick" would look like? You would use both hands to block, or to distract your opponent and then kick to the groin
The hand has multiple weapons at your disposal. Knife Hand, ridge Hand, Tiger Claw Hand. Iron Palm,Dragons Knuckle. Snake Fangs. LeopardsPaw. Ox Paw. Back fist, Hammer Fist. What I call. Ten Hands. Jute Zuki
@BushidoCode72 I notice you never say "you" can beat anyone. You always say someone else can do this and that. 'Nuff said about you.
Nice! I don't think the attacks are very realistic, but nice techniques. Escepacialy the grabbing and then pushing techniques
An awesome display of skills. But when the neck is exposed, how can a tiger not take advantage of the opportunity? I'm talking about life or death here. A tiger doesn't fuck around!! It is about life or death............
Where can i find this studio!?!?!?.Im a martial artist my self!,I learn shaolin dragon,tiger,and cheetah!,and a little of mauy thai and taekwondo!,self tought (wing chun&jeet kune do!)...I will love to go there and but my skills to the test!..but first who is this guy!!?!?..he seem a little skillful!.But anyways great video!.
10 Poison ☠️ Hands ☯️
So quick question and it may sound stupid but
Does Hung Gar/Ga? deal more with power than speed ?
this is coming from somebody with only a wrestling background
wing chin seems to be more speed/reaction based
Hung Gar does look awesome though just because i'm not that fast with my hands
Wing Chun is actually more pressure based and alignment based
Hung Gar is being sturdy, hard stances, lots of power
Their purpose is to break your stance, a couple of strikes/blocks, break your balance, and deal the final blow (like shown in this video)
Hung Kuen is essentially a combination of old southern China village kung fu and shoalin long fist, with the emphasis on the southern short hand techniques. Most of what you see online is in the power realm yes, because its what people learn first and it forms the foundation. But even here you see some more speed/precision based techs as well.
in wing chun we are taught to use the hands in a double block by facing them upward at and angel between 90 degrees and 180. when i try to attack the ears with both arms i feel like it lacks power i guess this is the right way to do it.
Hi Michael,
Was commenting with a wing Chun practitioner that what I've seen, Hung gar looks great with all its moves, but Wing Chun's my baby!
Used to practice only as a teenager, but the love of it has never left me! I still think 2 this day, that Wing Chun is the best fighting system inside + outside of Kung Fu.
I may be wrong, Could it be that even Bruce Lee would've admitted this?