You bring up a good point ive been trying to make for several years. When i train muay thai, the basic kick is actually 3 distinct steps. There is no arguing that a proper muay thai kick is very powerful, but it telegraphs itself way too much in a real combat scenario. Granted, you can always get faster and it becomes faster, and less telegraphed, but even at higher levels, the basic moves can still be a sign. Ive gone to more of a hybrid style question mark kick that bas rutten uses.
Correct. I don't see any snake, tiger, or crane thingy. What I see is boxing and kicking. They should have just studied kickboxing and they'd be good at it, instead of spending time on forms which they wouldn't use anyway.
Hung Ga guy looked a lot better than I thought and that's excellent to see. He is in fact very good and looked comfortable in close quarters, blocking and dodging a lot of stuff while countering we himself. Hung Ga is one of my favorite Kung Fu forms and it ironically took Tony Jaa, who is a Muay Boran master himself, to put me on to it. I'm not sure how much of a fan of martial arts movies you are but if you haven't seen Ong Bak 2, I highly recommend it for those who love Hung Ga Kung Fu. Tony Jaa did so well in this, it made me think no one else should play Reptile in Mortal Kombat live action than him.
Its interesting to hear what their disciplines are. No matter what, fighting usually looks like boxing or kickboxing. Never looks like the forms they practice for all those years or the movies. Those Ip Man movies got a lot of Wing Chun practioners beat up. 😆
Thats what happens when you spar with boxing gloves. The boxing gloves require you to strike a certain why. The best why to display traditional styles is with MMA gloves
This is very much modern wingchun (a mixed bag of different things). The older versions had non-telegraphing of movements (and very particularly, non-telegraphing of footwork) as *the* essential element. Almost the entire specificity of the style among other Southern Wushu schools was down to exactly this. Not to mention that this is not short-bridge punching at all and the force is not generated the way it's supposed to. This is modern "sports" "wingchun" (aka slightly awkward kickboxing)
So basically this style, like Choy li fut, is a mixed of other chinese styles. It's mixed with Choy Ga (like choy li fut), Northern Shaolin, and Hung Gar/Hung Ga. And this one is was created around the 1910s, making it a one of the more recent styles of chinese martial arts.
Jow Ga seems like he was doing some Jow Ga. Wing Chun dude seemed like he was doing more kickboxing with the shuffle kick. But it scored him some hits so I'd say thats a win, even though he ultimately lost. Jow Ga dude did pretty decent. I like that he didnt stay super low like how some jow can get.
That was a good match. I just searched the history of Jow-Ga (as mentioned on Chan's Kung Fu School website; the big school and training facility in Grand Rapids, MI) and it indeed, was pretty interesting.
Yes. You can see WC loading up so his strikes are very telegraphed. LOL. Yes, the "punt" kick. Thankfully, he pulled it. It would have been a disqualification. This was rather entertaining.
Kungfu with boxing gloves is silly. How can perform most techniques? I think this would be better if they had finger gloves. That way both fighters could fight properly
Because Kickboxing is essentially striking fundamentals. They haven't trained enough to have enhanced their abilities beyond sloppy kickboxing. And do not underestimate the influence boxing gloves have on the form of striking.
@@robmen1402 agree mostly, but it's also how they get trained by their instructors. majority of the chinese martial arts instructors have never fought nor sparred, and so, the lack of practicality spread far and wide. I trained predominantly in chinese martial arts and taijiquan before self-teaching myself JKD. i'm not a pro and i stopped training mostly, but when I was active, I sparred quite abit, got into street fights and was able to handle street situations plus most sparring situations. it's really the instructors who are bad and not teaching the right way to train. it's sad.
Would like to see more distinct representation of Wing Chun. Not familiar with the other style, but it doesn't seem any different than kick boxing... is it like San Da?
It's Sanda or Sanshou. Most schools when they compete use Sanda or Shuaijiao. If you want to see more "traditional" I'd recommend Lei Tai but even then it still looks like Sanda just with MMA gloves.
@@NexGenRepublicthe ruleset forces things to look more like sanshou cuz those techniques score best in that ruleset. With even those 10oz gloves on, you lose hand speed and most ability to grab wrists and hands. So clinching will become more basic. They might not train that much for the competition rules, which leads them to look worse/less experienced than their gym style. When I first competed sanshou, I had simulated the leitai in the boxing gym using the ropes, but the actual size of the leitai changed ring out strategy completely, and my timing and distance on push out attempts were way off. No to mention the mat was way softer than anything I’d been on
@@mengmao5033 I totally get it when I first competed what helped me most was my previous Muay Thai training but that also hurt me since I was accustomed to using knees and elbows 😅 But in the end I finished at 2nd place in the men's heavyweight division. This was a few months ago in April.
I’m thinking the Wing Chun practitioner is a Newly student of Ving Tsun system. No one in Ving Tsun over 10yrs moves like this. Besides I feel Ving Tsun is a Amazing Self defense Art once u fully apply yourself not something that u put full gloves on for.
Since when did Wing Chun have/use turning (or roundhouse) kicks NEVER. This is not a Wing Chun guy of any standard. I don't believe he is a Wing Chun guy at all. It's videos like this that give Wing Chun a bad name
@@levis569 You are correct only to a certain point! Meaning, you do not understand what kind of situation Wing Chun is effective!Different technique works in different situations! So, what kind of style or techniques do you call this?!?
It does not matter about what style you train in. Everything becomes a kickboxing grappling match. Bruce Lee has already exposed the truth when it comes to fighting.
The “wing chun” guy had streamlined his art so much that it no longer resembles it in any shape or form. Better off abandoning the shell of what he has and taking up Muay Thai…
First pin me
You bring up a good point ive been trying to make for several years. When i train muay thai, the basic kick is actually 3 distinct steps. There is no arguing that a proper muay thai kick is very powerful, but it telegraphs itself way too much in a real combat scenario. Granted, you can always get faster and it becomes faster, and less telegraphed, but even at higher levels, the basic moves can still be a sign. Ive gone to more of a hybrid style question mark kick that bas rutten uses.
Savate is one kickboxing style where not telegraphing kicks is very important, it seems
If you didn't tell us anything about the styles practiced by these guys, I would just assume it's an amateur kickboxing match.
I was about to say thing lol
Correct. I don't see any snake, tiger, or crane thingy. What I see is boxing and kicking. They should have just studied kickboxing and they'd be good at it, instead of spending time on forms which they wouldn't use anyway.
@@robmen1402န😢😢😢😢🎉🎉🎉🎉😂😢
Just proves that it's worthless
Lol I am NOT seeing any form here
Hung Ga guy looked a lot better than I thought and that's excellent to see. He is in fact very good and looked comfortable in close quarters, blocking and dodging a lot of stuff while countering we himself. Hung Ga is one of my favorite Kung Fu forms and it ironically took Tony Jaa, who is a Muay Boran master himself, to put me on to it. I'm not sure how much of a fan of martial arts movies you are but if you haven't seen Ong Bak 2, I highly recommend it for those who love Hung Ga Kung Fu. Tony Jaa did so well in this, it made me think no one else should play Reptile in Mortal Kombat live action than him.
Its interesting to hear what their disciplines are. No matter what, fighting usually looks like boxing or kickboxing. Never looks like the forms they practice for all those years or the movies. Those Ip Man movies got a lot of Wing Chun practioners beat up. 😆
I mean this looks better than what we've been seeing. Give them credit where it's due
@@bw5020 that's true!
Thats what happens when you spar with boxing gloves. The boxing gloves require you to strike a certain why. The best why to display traditional styles is with MMA gloves
This is very much modern wingchun (a mixed bag of different things). The older versions had non-telegraphing of movements (and very particularly, non-telegraphing of footwork) as *the* essential element. Almost the entire specificity of the style among other Southern Wushu schools was down to exactly this. Not to mention that this is not short-bridge punching at all and the force is not generated the way it's supposed to. This is modern "sports" "wingchun" (aka slightly awkward kickboxing)
Jow-ga looked like he was in more control. I’m curious about this style I’ve never heard of it before
They were literally just kickboxing lmao. Just take any kickboxing class and there you have it.
So basically this style, like Choy li fut, is a mixed of other chinese styles. It's mixed with Choy Ga (like choy li fut), Northern Shaolin, and Hung Gar/Hung Ga.
And this one is was created around the 1910s, making it a one of the more recent styles of chinese martial arts.
@@robmen1402not all kickboxing classes teach throws from the clinch. The ruleset hear clearly scored the throws, like when WC guy tripped himself.
@@robmen1402OK, y'all getting stale.
Jow Ga seems like he was doing some Jow Ga.
Wing Chun dude seemed like he was doing more kickboxing with the shuffle kick. But it scored him some hits so I'd say thats a win, even though he ultimately lost.
Jow Ga dude did pretty decent. I like that he didnt stay super low like how some jow can get.
3:35 - Don't be a creep. Great video. Haha
You’re the first to pay attention to my little notecards on this video 😂
That was a good match. I just searched the history of Jow-Ga (as mentioned on Chan's Kung Fu School website; the big school and training facility in Grand Rapids, MI) and it indeed, was pretty interesting.
Zhou Jia Quan integrated 洪拳、蔡李佛 and Shaolin kungfu，they have a slogan of「洪頭蔡尾北少林」
Interesting fight, thank you for posting it. So my question is how would these guys do against Donnie Yen?
My Questions is this.
How Long has both Fighting Styles Been Established. ???
What Differentiates This From Either Muay Thai, or Regular MMA. ???
Yes. You can see WC loading up so his strikes are very telegraphed. LOL. Yes, the "punt" kick. Thankfully, he pulled it. It would have been a disqualification. This was rather entertaining.
Kungfu with boxing gloves is silly. How can perform most techniques?
I think this would be better if they had finger gloves. That way both fighters could fight properly
Guy in blue looked more wing chun
The referee is a well known buk sing choy lee fut fighter. he has videos of his fighters online too
Thats amazing! Please send me any links!
here's one that i know of him in ruclips.net/video/3B4T-Qaybek/видео.html@@FightCommentary
Jerry, you got a typo in the video title - Jian
Again as much as I like Traditional Martial arts.
Like that other comment says.
You mute the audio of this video and it looks like a kickboxing match
Great Video, Jiw Ga guy fought good
Wing Chung in gloves that is at least unreal and silly…..
Wing Chun without gloves is unreal and silly
Why train all the fancy techniques when it all becomes brawling / kickboxing?
All these chinese styles are so fake. This is why they resort to basic kickboxing lol.
Because Kickboxing is essentially striking fundamentals. They haven't trained enough to have enhanced their abilities beyond sloppy kickboxing. And do not underestimate the influence boxing gloves have on the form of striking.
@@robmen1402 agree mostly, but it's also how they get trained by their instructors. majority of the chinese martial arts instructors have never fought nor sparred, and so, the lack of practicality spread far and wide. I trained predominantly in chinese martial arts and taijiquan before self-teaching myself JKD. i'm not a pro and i stopped training mostly, but when I was active, I sparred quite abit, got into street fights and was able to handle street situations plus most sparring situations. it's really the instructors who are bad and not teaching the right way to train. it's sad.
Why they don't fight like Ip man? I don't remember him fighting like this can SOMEBODY please explain 😊
This is not style verse style, this is two guys kickboxing
Would like to see more distinct representation of Wing Chun. Not familiar with the other style, but it doesn't seem any different than kick boxing... is it like San Da?
That's no Wing Chun at all
It's Sanda or Sanshou. Most schools when they compete use Sanda or Shuaijiao. If you want to see more "traditional" I'd recommend Lei Tai but even then it still looks like Sanda just with MMA gloves.
@@ninjafeet7915because Wing chin doesn't work except for movies
@@NexGenRepublicthe ruleset forces things to look more like sanshou cuz those techniques score best in that ruleset. With even those 10oz gloves on, you lose hand speed and most ability to grab wrists and hands. So clinching will become more basic. They might not train that much for the competition rules, which leads them to look worse/less experienced than their gym style.
When I first competed sanshou, I had simulated the leitai in the boxing gym using the ropes, but the actual size of the leitai changed ring out strategy completely, and my timing and distance on push out attempts were way off. No to mention the mat was way softer than anything I’d been on
@@mengmao5033 I totally get it when I first competed what helped me most was my previous Muay Thai training but that also hurt me since I was accustomed to using knees and elbows 😅 But in the end I finished at 2nd place in the men's heavyweight division. This was a few months ago in April.
I’m thinking the Wing Chun practitioner is a Newly student of Ving Tsun system. No one in Ving Tsun over 10yrs moves like this. Besides I feel Ving Tsun is a Amazing Self defense Art once u fully apply yourself not something that u put full gloves on for.
Yea that guy is def not doing wing chun
" not something that u put full gloves on for"
Tell that to Qi La La.
@@zachkilgore2446ya because if he was he would have looked even worse and gotten destroyed
@@toyoseriesjust watch qll kickbox a thai fighter and again saw zero Wing chun used.
If the Wing Chun fighter is the red one, he's either terrible at it or he doesn't actually know Wing Chun.
The big brawl!!!!
Since when did Wing Chun have/use turning (or roundhouse) kicks NEVER. This is not a Wing Chun guy of any standard. I don't believe he is a Wing Chun guy at all. It's videos like this that give Wing Chun a bad name
Where do you see a wing-Chung there?
The guy is wanting to Telemarket Queer Chun has inferior and no evidence to back up. Thank you
This is not Wing Chun. This is just a sport fight, not practical.
Wing Chun?!? Where are the Wing Chun moves?!?😂😂😂You can call it anything!😊
Why are you even here?
Because Wing Chun doesn't work in a real fight
@@levis569 You are correct only to a certain point! Meaning, you do not understand what kind of situation Wing Chun is effective!Different technique works in different situations! So, what kind of style or techniques do you call this?!?
Game of tags and hugs
It does not matter about what style you train in. Everything becomes a kickboxing grappling match. Bruce Lee has already exposed the truth when it comes to fighting.
Bra, this is basically two people trying to kick and box.
Jow Ga best. Keep Punching! 😮😮
This would be more interesting if it was a fight to the death...when's the next Kumite??
Jow or Chow Gar is souther mantis and has nothing to do with Hung Gar.
You are wrong
This does not look like kung fu or wing chun idk wth is this maybe kick boxing
The “wing chun” guy had streamlined his art so much that it no longer resembles it in any shape or form. Better off abandoning the shell of what he has and taking up Muay Thai…
He def not doing wing chun
This looks like kickboxing
I don‘t see any WT.
Always disappointing to watch kung-fu practitioners fight and not use it
This isn't even sanda
Didnt feel like any style was here, just a normal fight.
These guys throw too many face blocks but ideas not to get hit in the face not use your face to block the hit
No wing chun or kung fu happened in this match
These guys need to learn Sanda or Muay Thai. Too telegraphed, not tucking in thier chin, or protecting thier face.
That’s not wing Chung
You can practice all sorts of style , but when it comes to real fighting ,it all looks the same
Different styles? It looks more like two teenagers that don't know how to fight fighting
What the hell is this. It looks like kids spar or two people from the street fighting. It's a shame
Sape.
King boxing eh
Where is the part where he actually uses Win chun?Proves it's a worthless style
I just came in here to read the comments from the grandmasters, and the ones that say how they would do it lol probably a bunch of overweight people 😅
This is absolutely ridiculous, fight success depends on the fighter not the style.
Sooo what "style" did you see?
Canotonese: Chow Gah.
Doesn't looks like Wing Chun at all
Jeet kwon do had 3 inch punch these fighters need focus tired with useless blows
Yhe
These guys black oe green belts if i give him a reverse punch he need a dentist
Looks mma
I saw no Wing Chun and kung fu, but zero level of kick-boxing in this video.
Wing chun wont work. Thats why Bruce lee left WC. WC fighter fights like bad kickboxing
at this point, its just chinese kick boxing... two chinese dudes kick boxing lol
Just another dissapoinment. Any Art in the way they fight? NIL.... OMG....😂
Just another normal kickboxing fight...No self defense technique at all...
Terrible, I would be happy to fight both of them at once lol
So boring
Horrible