Double up that jab. Any reasonably trained boxer can tell his punches don’t have any power. Just eat whatever you can’t parry or slip cut off the ring, get him in a corner and KO…. 😵💫😴
Yes. It looks like Li Shun Gen has boxing and BJJ experience. His defense has a lot of those elements. It is possible that he's experienced enough in sparring that it just evolved into that, but he seems to have an understanding of how boxers stalk. Overall, this guy is awesome. Me thinks he has lots of fight I.Q.
I believe the technique of winding the back fist and hitting with the front fist is an old Sugar Ray Leonard trick. So maybe he does know a little boxing.
This Kung fu guy seems to clearly have some boxing training. The way he switched to an unorthodox "Philly shell" is clearly a boxing stance. His Philly shell technique is quite solid actually.
I left another comment about the Kani Basami to your other reply. I will never forget that judo throw. I remember seeing a video of that crazy tournament injury that got the move banned.
Hmm... You know what? After watching a couple of these monkey-style kung fu vids from you, I just have this feeling in my jimmies that it has a potential to be viable. But, I'd also like to see it stress tested.
He has either taken boxing lessons or trained in a kung fu school that has practical sparring training that naturally leads to many similar movements to boxing, his hooks look like they actually have some pop on them when he sits down on them rather than leaping through the air
I like how you mentioned the clockwork like movement that most people from the hood do. It's legitimately a survival tactic that I compare to the way animals lull their aggressor into being passive. Being in the hood, I've had my fights with homies who do that. It's not easy but using the straight 1-2 at the perfect moment nullifies them and is the way to counter it. You'd be surprised how many people lose composure when getting tagged with a double jab
I know this is a spar, but that boxer doesnt use his legs well to apply pressure. He seems like a counter fighter i wanna see this against someone more aggressive that cuts off the ring instead of stalking
Put him in a ring with somebody who's not his friend what he's doing is a good technique if you're sparring inside of a ring with a friend of yours it's not really trying to hurt you I promise you my 20 years in Brazilian jiu jitsu he comes at me like that and I'm going to let him grab me however he wants to I will let him take my guard and I will tear him apart.. kung fu is good movie martial arts
my take on how to make kung fu works is learn fundamentals first; learn boxing, bjj, kickboxing. then supplement those with kung fu styles. since you have better fundamentals that other people, you will learn better.
I think the issue would be that you’d already have covered virtually every element of fighting between those. At that point you wouldn’t need anything supplemental.
@@elenchusi found wing chun to be an excellent add/on supplement to boxing. It added a lot of nice little tricks that translate real well to the streets. If I would’ve learned wing chun first, I’d be in deep kimchi against anyone who’s done any kind of sparring. But I agree with the poster. Learn muy tai, boxing, bjj, wrestling BEFORE a traditional martial art for self defense.
@@elenchus I personally think that there is benefit in learning traditional martial arts in supplementary to basic fundamentals, for example wing chun's chi sao or Silat's hand fighting as most kickboxing/boxing styles favors outfighting. an infighting supplements would be a great addition for matches. moreover, most styles that uses pressure points could be utilized in a way that mixes it with instrikes. it's just a matter of adaptation. a fast infighter who knows grappling, in the cage they would be terrifying
Unorthodox fighting techniques or unexpected etc.. can throw the opponent off both in A physical and mental Sense.. uncertainty and unpredictability are both tools in a toolbox of many other's
Philly shell is already in wing chun, for example. He doesn't need to 'improvise it' if he's a kung fu stylist. Scissor takedown and leg sweeps are illegal in UFC - worth mentioning.
Its always great to see our dear cheff in action, but the boxer didn't really gave him much of a fight, he was either too limited with his only boxing approach or too scared of Li Shun Gen's shenanigans. Nothing wrong with a friendly match but the boxer barely imposed any challenge imho.
kani basami destroyed one of my ankles IRL, but at the same time I saw Cung Le use it dozens of times with no injuries. I speculate that the flying crab scissors is possibly safer than the formal (although illegal, but since when has that stopped judo students from trying something out) judo version (the one that injured me for several months). In judo, you’re actually hanging onto them for the sweep and they’re carrying a lot of extra weight. I wonder if the flying version puts less stress on the knees and ankles because it lacks this component. Pure speculation, of course. I’ve never even done the flying version.
@@elenchus That's the one I learned from TKD I think. My thought was a lapel grip because it's easier to stick to someone than chase them down or wait. It does seem safe, idk if it's just because I'm oblivious to the danger. Kicked my sparring partner in the mouth accidentally trying it without the grip once though.
@@elenchusi looked up the kani basami since im only familiar with the capoeira tesouro. If you look at how Cung and capoeiristas throw the scissors takedown, they use one leg to trap both opponent legs and the other leg to apply force to both thighs of the opponent. Here’s an example of the tesouro: ruclips.net/video/yaGbb4R1Vto/видео.html So kani basami seems to put too much potential strain to just one knee. But non judo versions distribute the force more.
And the more i look into the judo kani basami: 蟹挟，the more im fascinated. I dont know what the word mean in Japanese, but the kanji it’s using means crab submission. So we call it scissor takedown now, but it’s base word uses the crab character. Also, i looked at the takedown by searching the kanji and there’s a version targeting both opponent legs too. (1/2)
See: ruclips.net/video/OR-HGHnarYc/видео.html The judoka puts the front leg on first, while capoeirista puts back leg behind opponent first. That seems to be the main difference. Capoeira version takes care of your opponent more than Judo version. Capoeira version seems to make sure opponent falls on bum. Judo version will make him fall or break something in his leg. (2/2)
The "kung fu" guy definitely trained boxing at some point, and the boxing guy wasn't even trying to hurt him, or just didn't knew how to gauge distance cause he was punching into air...
Idk who the boxer is and I mean no disrespect.. but what is he doing? He seems mesmerized by the moves. I know plenty of boxers that would've knocked this guy out in seconds...
In an mma fight kung fu guy is getting kneed or head kicked ko'd amateur kick boxer/thai boxer would stop him fast. In a streetfight situation against someone who has experience streetfighting that monkey style aint working
@@soldier1stclass987 yes but I'm commenting on what he is doing in this video he left himself open for several knees while punching legs and numerous head kicks with his forward motion while playing like a monkey or a drunk person.
P.s. I'm not a good fighter or anything a girl scout could kick my rear lol.. but I have been in a few sparring matches and fights and was a kick dummy for cousins who were and still are into martial arts heavily. I remember watching a fight between a couple of people one was pretty decent at jujutsu if I recall correctly and the other just a regular street fighter who was windmilling and mauling the other was simply holding him off , but after all was done I went to talk with The martial arts guy, and said that was really kind to not beat the guy senseless, he said I gotta admit that guy really through me for a loop I wasn't expecting that..? I guess you really gotta be prepared for improvising.. 😦I gotta run that cub scout girl is heading this way 😧..😂
He needs ro fight someone his own weight and size for a fair comparison, in my opinion a decent heavyweight with similar reach would have sparked him out, especially when his feet left rhe ground.
Put the Kung Fu guy in there with a real boxer that is the same size and let's see how well he does. This vid proves nothing except that he can look good against smaller opponents of lesser skill by hampering them with "special rules".
Li Shun Gen looked really dumb, the only part when he didn't look like a clown was doing the guard retention (which he obviously learnt trying a bit of BJJ, unless monkey kung-fu uses guard retention?). The boxer should have started kicking Li Shun Gen every-time he fell on the floor, in a real fight he would have got stomped into a puddle.
Where was the boxing in this video.... That guy was no boxer.... He was just walking in and giving the guy a target and not throwing anything effective.
This announcer is just as crazy as these two "fighters". Tall fighter isn't doing any monkey hood style fighting,, just plain old tired. the other fighter shorty at least score points in doing the ropeadope.
This guy is obviously a boxer trained fighter just dicking around with kung fu aesthetics, just to have fun. Can’t hide his boxing training when he starts throwing punches and Philly shelling 😂
I hate how small-minded everyone is on martial arts. Go watch shaolin monks train they're kung-fu and watch the type of shit those superhumans can do at the age of 12. The greatest boxers of all time, all combined into one champion, that man wouldn't even TOUCH a shaolin munk, hell he wouldn't even survive the training. Stop dissing martial arts when its legitimately more LETHAL then boxing. Boxing is good for egos that need feeding or if u want to knock someone out but martial arts are for the dangers of the real world. Could a boxer disarm a knife or gunman? No. Can they restrain someone larger then them beyond a normal rear naked choke hold? No. Could a boxer punch someome in the face? Yes anyone really can if they tried its a fucking punch so basic to learn and perfect. Could a boxer sprain wrists or dislocated shoulders WHILE flipping someone over they're shoulder? No. Boxers would win by the luck of God say one of the punches in the flurry lands but at the end of the day all styles of Boxers come from 2 categories. Offense and aggression/ or technical with counters. Point is, boxing is a sport. If you want to learn how to end someone's whole career in 5 seconds go with martial arts. I could get up from getting knocked out, I can't get up from having my arms broken to shit.
This is ridiculous the guys got a complete height and reach advantage and also he's doing silly moves like flopping around like a drunk man on the floor I can't watch this is stupid
You must be talking about the Chinese Hood because in the black community we don’t fight like that bullsh** but that boxer must be newly pro because his boxing was mediocre and his balance wasn’t that great too much stumbling!
Why do they never use anything but novices for these? A journeyman boxer would cut off the ring and not chase the guy around the ring. Also a low level pro would not be so weary of those punches from the king Fu guy. They are trash and wouldn’t hurt my friend’s cat!! At least use a boxer that has trained for a year or two! This guy has been boxing for less than 6 months or doesn’t train seriously. There’s too many mistakes and underutilized basic boxing skills.
李顺根李老师加油！有时间我们做个采访。
What Hood was you talking about the Chinese Hood?
When ANY fighter does weird stuff, just dont get mesmerized by it. Soon as you start thinking "Whats he doing?" is when you get popped.
Thats so true!
Weird moves would not go very far against pros or experienced fighter. Once they figured out what the gimmick, they sidestep it and go to work
Double up that jab. Any reasonably trained boxer can tell his punches don’t have any power. Just eat whatever you can’t parry or slip cut off the ring, get him in a corner and KO…. 😵💫😴
My coach used to say it best. Block a punch with a punch. (Which doesn’t mean punch their punch. It means hit him first and make his shot miss.)
@@katze97nah
Yes. It looks like Li Shun Gen has boxing and BJJ experience. His defense has a lot of those elements. It is possible that he's experienced enough in sparring that it just evolved into that, but he seems to have an understanding of how boxers stalk. Overall, this guy is awesome. Me thinks he has lots of fight I.Q.
Yes he has a superb fight IQ!
no hace falta, Kung fu tiene golpes como en box y trabajo en suelo como bjj, el kung fu tradicional sirve
@@alejandro8244400 years ago sure. Not after the qing dynasty made training illegal and the communist party continued that.
Lol. Both these guys are trash. Sorry to tell you. A serious fighter who trained for a year would destroy both of them together
I think if he were in with an actual boxer that was his height and weight that he would be seeing stars in about 30 seconds.
Definitely 😂😂
😂 that guy was much shorter and lighter. His wingspan was about 16 inches longer than theirs!
I believe the technique of winding the back fist and hitting with the front fist is an old Sugar Ray Leonard trick. So maybe he does know a little boxing.
Nothing like testing your ability by limiting the opponent with rules
No one gonna mention he's twice the size either lol, I think it would be a different story against a Thai boxer of the same stature.
Li Shun Gen lowkey got it!
This Kung fu guy seems to clearly have some boxing training. The way he switched to an unorthodox "Philly shell" is clearly a boxing stance. His Philly shell technique is quite solid actually.
I almost feel like he's doing Jackie Chan impersonations, or Jackie Chan's character in Tekken, Lei Wulong
I left another comment about the Kani Basami to your other reply. I will never forget that judo throw. I remember seeing a video of that crazy tournament injury that got the move banned.
I wrote more as i examined the two versions even more. Makes me appreciate the tesouro even more.
Hmm... You know what? After watching a couple of these monkey-style kung fu vids from you, I just have this feeling in my jimmies that it has a potential to be viable. But, I'd also like to see it stress tested.
Kung Fu is a bit limited by gloves. I noticed in my training that a lot of the moves rely on fighting dirty and going for soft tissue.
Until you get hit by a real boxer , and find it really difficult to get off the floor !
@@rickynelson7384yea whatever buddy
He has either taken boxing lessons or trained in a kung fu school that has practical sparring training that naturally leads to many similar movements to boxing, his hooks look like they actually have some pop on them when he sits down on them rather than leaping through the air
dang they got a ring in a middle of friggin mall
Woah that last kick from the ground.
I like how you mentioned the clockwork like movement that most people from the hood do. It's legitimately a survival tactic that I compare to the way animals lull their aggressor into being passive. Being in the hood, I've had my fights with homies who do that. It's not easy but using the straight 1-2 at the perfect moment nullifies them and is the way to counter it. You'd be surprised how many people lose composure when getting tagged with a double jab
Very interesting! Thanks for the tidbit!
I know this is a spar, but that boxer doesnt use his legs well to apply pressure. He seems like a counter fighter i wanna see this against someone more aggressive that cuts off the ring instead of stalking
That would be cool! We’ll keep following li to see what else he does in the future.
I love this guy
So the boxer is in the ring in a button down dress shirt and a pair off loafers?!?!
Maybe he was simply out shopping and they invited him to take a little break and come have a little match in the ring for a bit.
Kung Fu guy definitely trained in boxing.
0:14 一下奪命剪刀腳
2:39 did he mimic 豬木vs Muhammed Ali?
If any fighters do weird stuff, don't be freakoout. Just watch the show and hit at the second it ends
guy in black pants had on dress shoes? nice one piece hat.
Looks like fesrplay cosplay
Put him in a ring with somebody who's not his friend what he's doing is a good technique if you're sparring inside of a ring with a friend of yours it's not really trying to hurt you I promise you my 20 years in Brazilian jiu jitsu he comes at me like that and I'm going to let him grab me however he wants to I will let him take my guard and I will tear him apart.. kung fu is good movie martial arts
I concur...he'll find out quickly.
my take on how to make kung fu works is learn fundamentals first; learn boxing, bjj, kickboxing. then supplement those with kung fu styles. since you have better fundamentals that other people, you will learn better.
I think the issue would be that you’d already have covered virtually every element of fighting between those. At that point you wouldn’t need anything supplemental.
@@elenchusi found wing chun to be an excellent add/on supplement to boxing. It added a lot of nice little tricks that translate real well to the streets. If I would’ve learned wing chun first, I’d be in deep kimchi against anyone who’s done any kind of sparring. But I agree with the poster. Learn muy tai, boxing, bjj, wrestling BEFORE a traditional martial art for self defense.
no hace falta, Kung fu tradicional funciona, porque tiene todas esas herramientas que tiene esas disciplinas.
@@What-vo5bx no hace falta, Kung fu tradicional funciona, porque tiene todas esas herramientas que tiene esas disciplinas.
@@elenchus I personally think that there is benefit in learning traditional martial arts in supplementary to basic fundamentals, for example wing chun's chi sao or Silat's hand fighting as most kickboxing/boxing styles favors outfighting. an infighting supplements would be a great addition for matches. moreover, most styles that uses pressure points could be utilized in a way that mixes it with instrikes. it's just a matter of adaptation. a fast infighter who knows grappling, in the cage they would be terrifying
Unorthodox fighting techniques or unexpected etc.. can throw the opponent off both in A physical and mental Sense.. uncertainty and unpredictability are both tools in a toolbox of many other's
Philly shell is already in wing chun, for example. He doesn't need to 'improvise it' if he's a kung fu stylist. Scissor takedown and leg sweeps are illegal in UFC - worth mentioning.
Its always great to see our dear cheff in action, but the boxer didn't really gave him much of a fight, he was either too limited with his only boxing approach or too scared of Li Shun Gen's shenanigans. Nothing wrong with a friendly match but the boxer barely imposed any challenge imho.
Yep. Valid point.
Scissor take down is very dangerous if the person resists but so fun.
kani basami destroyed one of my ankles IRL, but at the same time I saw Cung Le use it dozens of times with no injuries. I speculate that the flying crab scissors is possibly safer than the formal (although illegal, but since when has that stopped judo students from trying something out) judo version (the one that injured me for several months). In judo, you’re actually hanging onto them for the sweep and they’re carrying a lot of extra weight. I wonder if the flying version puts less stress on the knees and ankles because it lacks this component. Pure speculation, of course. I’ve never even done the flying version.
@@elenchus That's the one I learned from TKD I think. My thought was a lapel grip because it's easier to stick to someone than chase them down or wait. It does seem safe, idk if it's just because I'm oblivious to the danger. Kicked my sparring partner in the mouth accidentally trying it without the grip once though.
@@elenchusi looked up the kani basami since im only familiar with the capoeira tesouro. If you look at how Cung and capoeiristas throw the scissors takedown, they use one leg to trap both opponent legs and the other leg to apply force to both thighs of the opponent. Here’s an example of the tesouro: ruclips.net/video/yaGbb4R1Vto/видео.html
So kani basami seems to put too much potential strain to just one knee. But non judo versions distribute the force more.
And the more i look into the judo kani basami: 蟹挟，the more im fascinated. I dont know what the word mean in Japanese, but the kanji it’s using means crab submission. So we call it scissor takedown now, but it’s base word uses the crab character. Also, i looked at the takedown by searching the kanji and there’s a version targeting both opponent legs too. (1/2)
See: ruclips.net/video/OR-HGHnarYc/видео.html
The judoka puts the front leg on first, while capoeirista puts back leg behind opponent first. That seems to be the main difference. Capoeira version takes care of your opponent more than Judo version. Capoeira version seems to make sure opponent falls on bum. Judo version will make him fall or break something in his leg. (2/2)
I liked the kung fu takedown at the beginning, but his hand skills are not great, the boxer can’t box … an average boxer would have ended things fast.
I think Shun Gen got a good eye for fighting. Could use some coaching. Punching at the legs seems kinda useless.
Li shun is the goat
Nice takedown at the start
I saw alot of stuff in that ring but, boxing was not one of them 🤦🏾♂️🚶🏾♂️🚶🏾♂️
The "kung fu" guy definitely trained boxing at some point, and the boxing guy wasn't even trying to hurt him, or just didn't knew how to gauge distance cause he was punching into air...
Boxers , good boxers are much tougher than any black belt !! Always have been !!
The kung fu guys has mayweather stance and blocking
Yeah they call that a Philly shell and he definitely has some boxing training to execute that successfully.
This guy is very entertaining
Idk who the boxer is and I mean no disrespect.. but what is he doing? He seems mesmerized by the moves. I know plenty of boxers that would've knocked this guy out in seconds...
Whose his opponent though? Seems like just some random dude not even dressed to fight just shopping & accepted a random challenge
Some interesting stuff for sure the boxer might have some knowledge of other fighting styles, but it could just be natural ability period?
Enjoy the funny video..but the comments are messed up..
In an mma fight kung fu guy is getting kneed or head kicked ko'd amateur kick boxer/thai boxer would stop him fast. In a streetfight situation against someone who has experience streetfighting that monkey style aint working
you know kung fu also have kneeing right?
@@soldier1stclass987 yes but I'm commenting on what he is doing in this video he left himself open for several knees while punching legs and numerous head kicks with his forward motion while playing like a monkey or a drunk person.
Why wasn’t the boxer throwing any punch even when his opponent had no guard at all?
P.s. I'm not a good fighter or anything a girl scout could kick my rear lol.. but I have been in a few sparring matches and fights and was a kick dummy for cousins who were and still are into martial arts heavily. I remember watching a fight between a couple of people one was pretty decent at jujutsu if I recall correctly and the other just a regular street fighter who was windmilling and mauling the other was simply holding him off , but after all was done I went to talk with The martial arts guy, and said that was really kind to not beat the guy senseless, he said I gotta admit that guy really through me for a loop I wasn't expecting that..? I guess you really gotta be prepared for improvising.. 😦I gotta run that cub scout girl is heading this way 😧..😂
Boxing David vs kung fu Goliath
He needs ro fight someone his own weight and size for a fair comparison, in my opinion a decent heavyweight with similar reach would have sparked him out, especially when his feet left rhe ground.
Put the Kung Fu guy in there with a real boxer that is the same size and let's see how well he does. This vid proves nothing except that he can look good against smaller opponents of lesser skill by hampering them with "special rules".
The so called boxer didnt even throw any punches wtf just let the other guy clowned on him.
I don't know if his style is classic monkey. I think it is more a new style taking over combat sports called monkey-spank.
Monkey spank. Creative 😝
Li Shun Gen looked really dumb, the only part when he didn't look like a clown was doing the guard retention (which he obviously learnt trying a bit of BJJ, unless monkey kung-fu uses guard retention?). The boxer should have started kicking Li Shun Gen every-time he fell on the floor, in a real fight he would have got stomped into a puddle.
Hobbyist wants to pressure test his skills but challenges someone in a lower weight class. Smh...
Did he land a kick or a punch against a boxer?😂 so sad with all the useless movements, but he did survive one round. It is fun to watch. 😅😮
LOL looks like fun
Ill like xu xiaodong to fight him lol
1.38這醉拳是自學的看步伐就不像.這個人是不是很多功夫都是自學
Where was the boxing in this video.... That guy was no boxer.... He was just walking in and giving the guy a target and not throwing anything effective.
This announcer is just as crazy as these two "fighters". Tall fighter isn't doing any monkey hood style fighting,, just plain old tired. the other fighter shorty at least score points in doing the ropeadope.
This guy is obviously a boxer trained fighter just dicking around with kung fu aesthetics, just to have fun. Can’t hide his boxing training when he starts throwing punches and Philly shelling 😂
I hate how small-minded everyone is on martial arts. Go watch shaolin monks train they're kung-fu and watch the type of shit those superhumans can do at the age of 12. The greatest boxers of all time, all combined into one champion, that man wouldn't even TOUCH a shaolin munk, hell he wouldn't even survive the training. Stop dissing martial arts when its legitimately more LETHAL then boxing. Boxing is good for egos that need feeding or if u want to knock someone out but martial arts are for the dangers of the real world. Could a boxer disarm a knife or gunman? No. Can they restrain someone larger then them beyond a normal rear naked choke hold? No. Could a boxer punch someome in the face? Yes anyone really can if they tried its a fucking punch so basic to learn and perfect. Could a boxer sprain wrists or dislocated shoulders WHILE flipping someone over they're shoulder? No. Boxers would win by the luck of God say one of the punches in the flurry lands but at the end of the day all styles of Boxers come from 2 categories. Offense and aggression/ or technical with counters. Point is, boxing is a sport. If you want to learn how to end someone's whole career in 5 seconds go with martial arts. I could get up from getting knocked out, I can't get up from having my arms broken to shit.
All he did was tainted the reputation of kung-fu.
西裝褲?皮鞋?
wtf kung fu master Vst short child .... monkey style
I'm still looking for the BOXER.???
This is ridiculous the guys got a complete height and reach advantage and also he's doing silly moves like flopping around like a drunk man on the floor I can't watch this is stupid
You must be talking about the Chinese Hood because in the black community we don’t fight like that bullsh** but that boxer must be newly pro because his boxing was mediocre and his balance wasn’t that great too much stumbling!
Stop the CAP! Just Stop. Who made you an expert in boxing or MMA?
😂😂 man....somebody wants to promote his bs fighting sport....
Awful, so bad it's hard to watch
Please don't say "in the hood" again
He'd get hit twice with me. all done.
Why do they never use anything but novices for these? A journeyman boxer would cut off the ring and not chase the guy around the ring. Also a low level pro would not be so weary of those punches from the king Fu guy. They are trash and wouldn’t hurt my friend’s cat!! At least use a boxer that has trained for a year or two! This guy has been boxing for less than 6 months or doesn’t train seriously. There’s too many mistakes and underutilized basic boxing skills.
The (Hood)?
Is this a joke
Get that Mf a real boxer