Intel's New "Baseline Profile" is a COMPLETE Mess...
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- Inte's baseline profile enabled vs disabled? What should we do? Well recently in light of instability issues being reported with i9-14900ks and i7-14700ks, Intel has forced motherboard manufacturer's to release new bios updates with a new profile option "Intel Baseline Profile". What this essentially does... well it puts on new 'power caps', which the exact numbers of those caps are still... a mystery... and the concept maybe seems good, but... that is in its' current state, it's just horrible. In fact this profile exhibits bizarre behavior in certain scenarios, where your B760i now runs 100 Watts ABOVE the 150w limit.... Ugh... Let's test and discuss.
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Hey guys if you are not getting notifications... then thanks for manually coming here. I guess the notifications on youtube today are working as well as the baseline profile is...
Yep notifications are all over the place.
OMFG! Crazy im seeing this today. I used the "intel default" for MSI MPG Z690 without changing PL1 or PL2 and i was hitting 100c immediately at 260w with a 13600k. So i thought, i must have to change the PL1 and 2 also... When doing that the voltage was still too high (230w) and my temps were 98c, all while my clock speeds were jumping up and down looking like VVVVVVVVVV . Changed it back to MSI "default" light load and 4098 PL1 and PL2 and my was back at 80c max temp at 158w and rock solid clock speeds.
Pops up in the feed but no notifications. Great topic though! I follow all the changes but am chilling on 12th.
@@dianaalyssa8726 Next PC I build, I'm going back further to 10th Gen.
It's because RUclips keep changing notifications from All to personalised or none...
INTEL itself is a complete mess, if there is a company on the decline, it's definitely team blue 😢
:(
Which is not good, if Intel backs out of making CPUs then AMD will do the same thing that intel did for ages.
@@VexxedSR lol, they aren't gonna stop making CPUs mate/.
recently i read somewhere that server cpus are like 50% amd now, i think thst number is bigger
intel is in a fast decline, that is why they are offering their fabs to amd, nvidia and qualcomm, they know what is comming
@@VexxedSRno, the race will change to arm cpus where there will be at least 4 competitors, nvidia, amd, qualcom and broadcom, that race starts in the end of this year
I still remember when 200+ Watts was a meme with the fx9590. Now it's the efficient baseline mode.
If only AMD could get their GPU power usage under control.
@@mintymus if only gpus IN GENERAL could get it under control. 400w cards is ridiculous
@@kintustis Nvidia is WAY more efficient than AMD.
@@mintymus They really are not though. The 7900 XTX is rated for 355w, the 4090 is 450w, the 4090 on average is 18% faster, whilst using 23.6% more power. Yes the Radeon cards used to idle high, this was fixed quite a while back.
@@Clearsight-oo2ezyea i just watched Ghost of Tushima 4090 VS 7900 xtx where GeForce is sleeping at 360 watts where amd is taking 400-410 watts. 7900xtx cards like nitro easily go for more then 400 watts on amd cards.
You know what's not a complete mess? Tech YES City. There's method to his madness.
Agreed! And that could not have been better said. 😊
Agreed. 13th/14th renamed to Mess Lake might be a nice idea ;)
The profile is not officialy from INTEL! This was done by the motherboard aib's WITHOUT intel! Gigabyte even remoed the BIOS to Download.
I know because I am currently in the middle of a RMA of my 14900k. Let's see how it goes. It always crashed during rendering.
OMFG! Crazy im seeing this today. I used the "intel default" for MSI MPG Z690 without changing PL1 or PL2 and i was hitting 100c immediately at 260w with a 13600k. So i thought, i must have to change the PL1 and 2 also... When doing that the voltage was still too high (230w) and my temps were 98c, all while my clock speeds were jumping up and down looking like VVVVVVVVVV . Changed it back to MSI "default" light load and 4098 PL1 and PL2 and i was back at 80c max temp at 158w and rock solid clock speeds. It RAISED my watage and temps so much more than MSI's default settings...
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There should be one target spec per SKU. There should be a maximum TDP and exceeding it should be considered overclocking (may cause instability, may invalidate warranty). In the case of a 'K' SKU, that single spec is 253W indefinite power duration. For any motherboard that cannot run that target spec - they should be required to list partial support and state how they limit the CPU. For example, 14900K *partial support (253W, 65 second duration; 125W unlimited duration) or for a 'B' chipset if it's 150W power limited, 14900K *partial support (150W, unlimited duration) and whatever combination there-in as required. It's not the end of the world that Intel has a range that it can operate in, but it needs to be very clear how it is supposed to operate and shoppers must know when a partner product is going to cause their CPU to operate at lower than intended performance.
Intel fucked it up with this one
Intel baseline is not Intel recomended PL setting
It's just Motherboard Manufacturer making another one
Unfortunately they keep making videos on incorrect information. Gigabyte even pulled down the "baseline profile" because it's not Intel recommended or supported.
Why would you trust them ? they are selling you defective chips
@@xKynOx I'm having no such issues with my 14900K/14900KS CPUs. I set Intel recommended 253/253 and 400a or 320/320 400a and have absolutely no issues at all. My 14900KS runs 5.9Ghz all day long on the P cores while gaming and chews up games.
0 chance that asrock is breaking a
b760 chipset limit without code from Intel.
@@TalonsTechsame here but when I use unlocked bios I have problems too with unreal 4 and 5 engine games.
That keyboard looks sick, I didn't know there was mechanical options for that keyboard style!
Oh, dear. It's like, let's pump as much power through these poor CPUs without learning how silicon and heat works. Wonder what that funny smell is? It's melting silicon. Yeah, nah, don't worry, everything's fine as long as we beat AMD with ridiculous benchmarks.
Hey all those backdoors need MHz or our NSA masters won't be happy!
@@kesamek8537 True, that.
Great video as always Bryan! I can't help but wonder if an i5 14600k is even faster... I do not want to sound like an Intel hater. I have an i5 13500 (which got a nice recommendation as a versatile CPU on this very channel) and it has been great.
meanwhile my r7 5700x is chillin
lmao my r5 5600 doesnt know what stress is
😂 5700x will always chill.
so does my 14700k because i don't buy "k" SKU's without even knowing how to enter the BIOS 😄
I got here a 13600T 35w at 50w Cpu at idle is above 1 degree of max temp of the motherboard...
5700x air cooled is so chill
Glad i bought an 14700k lol. Never had any severe issues with it tbh. Running 5.5- 5.6 GHz all core and cooling it with 240mm Liquid Freezer 2 too. 7600MHz RAM is also no issue here. Gigabyte z790 Aorus Elite X Wifi 7.
Awesome video! Great info, love the deep dives :) personally still rockin' a 12600k with no overclock at all and it kicks butt for 1/2 the price haha 👍
I miss the Xeon days of Tech Yes City. I'd love to see those days return. One channel that I watch found a Dell Precision 7820 with two Xeon Gold 6138 CPUs and maxed out RAM, then threw in a Titan XP that he had. Amazing editing rig on a budget. Will such projects ever return to the channel?
Will get onto it. The xeon days were amazing as the boards were interchangeable. Ill try see what server boards I can find used.
You brought up a great point, why don't manufacturers have a set of 4-5 presets based on energy use/temps up to performance?! It seems like a no-brainer.
I know AMD has eco mode, regular, and expo/pbo but just make it easier for consumers to just select presets? 🤷♀️
When I first saw the Baseline Profile I immediately thought that "wouldn't this make 14700K faster than 14900K?" Thanks for confirming that.
Similar to how the 7950X3D is slower for gaming than the 7900X3D.
Meanwhile 7800x3D higher FPS, lower watt, half the price
Opposite of AMD GPUs...LOL
7800x3d is a gaming cpu and the only thing its great at and not everyone wants to game only when it comes to productivity the 13th and 14th gen i9 and i7 blows it away heck even a i5 14600k will beat the 7800x3d in productivity and 14th gen i9 14900k and i7 14900k do beat the ryzen 7800x3d in some games dont get me wrong 7800x3d is a great processor i mean its efficient best at gaming currently and costs less but its only targeted for gamers mostly it does ok in productivity but is not great at it im no intel fan boy but i do believe credit should be given where its due and intel processors are just faster when it comes to multi tasking and yes right now intel cpus are facing instability issues especially the i9 cpus and intel baseline profile does make it slower but its still faster when it comes to productivity.
@@sikandarali9785 Let's be very clear here.
In productivity, between 7800x3D & 14900K , can ANY human eye perceive the difference without looking at the score?
Look at real world how the CPU is being used for productivity.
Video editing
You edit 8K videos, scrubbing the timeline, and then exporting the video using GPU Acceleration anyway. In the end, it's GPU score that matters
3D modelling:
You edit the model, drag and drop here and there, 4K workspace area, and then hit Render button. In the end it's GPU doing 99% of the work anyway.
AfterEffects:
Again, same! You edit the FX, adjust the color, doing color grading, scrubbing timeline, and then hit Render. In the end GPU doing 99% of it.
Motion Capture
Again, it's GPU that's doing the sense and scan.
AutoCAD or SolidWorks
Perhaps this is the only thing that matters for CPU Acceleration because AutoCAD framework is based on 35+ years old source code that relies heavily on CPU, not GPU.
Unreal Engine 5 editing
Bruh same thing. You drag and drop objects, adjust animation, lighting, and then hit Render. GPU will do most of the job anyway.
Sure sure the Productivity score of 14900K is higher than 7800x3D, but only the numbers. If human eye actually working on said project, nobody can tell the difference assuming both of them using RTX 4090 for example.
@@sikandarali9785 intel LGA1700 is dead platform anyway. No future CPU can use it.
Now let's take a look back at AM4 x370 Motherboard from December 2017. It was initially intended for Ryzen 1900X , but user can easily upgrade it to 5800x3D which is the fastest Gaming CPU for DDR4 platform.
That's a staggering 5 years support for a single socket. Can Intel Socket from 2017 do that? Nope you have to buy new Motherboard. Neither is LGA1700 for 14900K, it's dead.
AM5 x670 can use future 10800x3D just fine.
@@niezzayt3809 AM5 x670 can use future 10800x3d just fine bro thats just your assumption you cannot say for certain that am5 will support ryzen 10 series processor amd can change that and as for lga 1700 yes its at the end of life but it offers way better support for ddr5 memories especially the z790 series motherboard amd cant reach those insane ddr5 speeds as for now yes they will be able to with am6 or something so in a way the lga 1700 socket motherboards have secured their place for years to come they are ahead of amd as of now with ddr5 support and trust me these speeds will become more relevant in the future so a person with z790 motherboard will not need to update their cpu and motherboard for a couple of years i guess you can say both amd and intel have their pros and cons.
You gotta remember motherboard partners default profile is "optimized." Meaning theyre overcloking where they can and pushing the cpus beyond the limit than they were designed for where there is headroom if thermals permit it. That said there is also intels performance, extreme, and insane profiles, you dont need to be on "baseline"
The fact that 253w is considered "normal"...wow, just wow. Remember when they made fun of AMD for the 220w draw of the FX-9590?
MM remixes area nice touch.
Best PC channel, bar none.
My 2015 build was the last time I used an INTEL CPU. No regrets.
The mess with 13th, & 14th Gen Intel is why I don't feel bad sticking with my 12th Gen Intel Core i9 12900H(14 cores/20 Threads) soldered onto an Erying(I know you gave them a bad review but they upgraded the mosfets, have released a BIOS update that does not need Windows to install, & overall my board has been really stable for over a year) MATX mobo with 32GB DDR4 3200Mhz RAM for sometime to come, as it does everything I need it to do without drawing a lot of power on 2 24in 1080p 165Hz monitors.
Eyring?
@@platinumsun4632 I tried to reply to ya with a longer comment, but looks like my comment got blocked, but look the brand up on YT as few channels have done videos on them, including this one whom I don't think gave them a fair shake, as they are a smaller chinese brand that can be a good value if you know what you're looking for, and are willing to get technical.
@@platinumsun4632 look them up this is all I can say without getting blocked for some reason replying to my own dang comment.
Same main rig still has 12900KF, also have a 12700KF, and a 12400F around. Intel became a budget option but the it just works era of XMP with QVL memory hasn't been there for me, perhaps if I try just on Nobara but it's not worked on the Windows end. I have all DDR5 so that's another I can't test if that is a problem, DDR4 is mature at least. I probably thought some game driver issues were AMD when perhaps they could have been Intel BIOS related though. Would stay stable. I didn't overpay for DDR5 but it's probably getting carried forward into future builds, 2 x 32gb TG Delta kits 6000 & 6400, and have 48gb Gskill kit (non-rgb) 6400 I think. Have for boards 2 x Asus Z690 TG Plus Wifi & Asrock B760M (less fussy board). No point to upgrade if it's less stable and downclocks are a thing I believe though it's complicated. Intel used to be easier for me in 6th & 9th gen days.
As a 14900k owner i can say i am hugely dissapointed by this cpu and intel as a company. Tbh though i have been applying manual settings in the bios to combat these issues
12900KF owner also disappointed by this. Glad I didn't upgrade before this mess though. If I have game crash issues MCE Off is an option but Turbo off stops WoW from crashing. Toying with leaving Windows for Nobara. Think my next CPU upgrade will be AM5. I'm over the wasted time I've spent tuning ram and with BIOS settings this gen.
15:59 Well I'm glad I went for the 13700k last year. I disabled Asus' Multi Core Enhancement crap from the get go, no issue whatsoever.
Aside from the fact that those settings are NOT coming from Intel and are NOT the recommended settings:
This will not help. the problem NEVER was the power. The problem is still the same as it has been for many years now - motherboards apply insanely high Voltages. As much as 150mV over the specs and that is without even looking at LLC and what that does to the voltage-spikes.
Yeah... I upgraded to the baseline profile and still experienced high 90+ temps. I ended up doing a negative offset on-top of the profile to get desired temps. Through this experience I really envied the AMD chip.
Z790 I9-14900K MSI Tomahawk, on my 2nd board this has to be the most unstable system in the last 20 years, going to go back and go for a 2nd hand Xeon system Best Regards Andrew
My 13900k needs 1.32v to run stable while rendering (and pass rounds of Y-Cruncher). When I used to overclock my old Intel CPU's, that's about how much voltage I'd give it for a 24/7 overclock.
When the 14900k came out, i replaced my 13900k but it needs 1.29v to run stable. I checked the SP score on an Asus board (not my daily driver board) and it came to an average score.
I feel really sorry for anyone that lost out on the Silicon Lottery. Intel either needs to do a better job of binning these processors or back off on the All-Core frequency by 100MHz.
Steelseries Apex 350, is what i like, as keyboard.
Older model, cant get this anymore, wish they remake this.
The spacebar area could have macroes now that i think about it, or split the spacebar in 6 different buttons, the top left corner would obviously be the spacebar 01, couse that is where your thumb is when played with WASD.
There could be room for small mousepad even, right under the spacebar, or more additional macro buttons for your thumb to hit.
Or maybe media keys could be in there, sort of roll for sound volume.
The right side, under the spacebar is kinda empty, your hand is on the left side, so dont put anythin on that spot.
those power limits are insane. power usage is an afterthough before but after the inflation this year i have been conservative with mine
Love my 13600K. ❤
Hey there Brian...
I just recently got a air CPU Cooler, it's the SAMA 6P130BK. 17 USD as an special offer. It has 6 heat pipes and is working great on a AM5 Ryzen 5. 7600. Is there any chance to review it?
The B760 results are odd. I’ve built a few B760 rigs and never seen a 150 watt hard limit. I know As Rock sometimes has hard to find power limits in place. Including the AsRock Z790 boards. They usually limit it when it asks you what type cooler you have.
i7 14700K was the only 14gen cpu that see real improvement over 13gen i7.
i5 13600K 6c/12t +8ecores with L3 24mb -> 14600K same
i9 13900K 8c/16t +16ecores with L3 36mb -> 14900K same
i7 13700K 8c/16t +8ecores with L3 30mb -> 14700K 8c/16 +12ecores with L3 33mb
i9 14900K has +4ecores and +3mb L3 cache over i7 14700K and costs +200$
the whole point of i9 was the clock speed over the i7, if we take that away and limit the power limits to be the same... the +3mb L3 has to carry it D
Yeah I like it when there are good low power options. I was discussing this with my brother, he has a 13900 and I have a ryzen 5800X. In my opinion, these products (even my CPU) are premium, and having the CPU fans go VROOOM when you pop a web browser and have your room get unbearably hot is not a premium experience. I undervolted and locked my clocks at 4GHz on my CPU and the system is running a lot nicer now. And my brother is complaining that his rig with 13900 + 3090 gets super loud and makes his room too hot as well.
This is also a thing with laptops. A lot of my college buddies have windows gaming laptops that constantly sound like they are going to take off, and my Thinkpad T480 that runs a very minimal linux install is whisper quiet and runs decently fast. Goes to show that solid hardware (doesn't have to be latest) plus minimal and tweaked OS can offer you one of the best experiences out there.
600 watts of heat being dumped in your room, your brother needs some ac lol
abput ypu lowering clocks and the fan noise, that sounds like a problem with your heatsink, thermal paste and airflow
@@betag24cn that is fair, my system has a case with poor airflow, and not a very good cooler and then fan noise is also a matter of what fan curve you have as well. I brought it up because its a result of "these auto overclocking features."
I think case and a better CPU cooler will be my next upgrade, its just that case upgrade requires tearing your whole system apart and doesnt give that much more FPS :)
"Having the cpu fans go vroom" means you need a better cooler and maybe a case with better airflow. I had a 5800x for a year and I used a noctua nh-d15s cooler with it and never heard it go vroom and it stayed below 80 degrees no matter what. There's a thread at techpowerup forum about 5800x heat and what to do about it but all I did was use curve optimizer without power limits.
That might be the Intel Turbo boost. I had it today on my second rig browser tab in Windows. But not happened to me in Nobara at all, just 12th gen has a lot of quirks for me. Not entirely sure that 13th/14th are the only issues but certainly it got worse with Raptor Lake/Refresh.
@@dianaalyssa8726 not sure if you were mentioning my rig which is AMD, or my brother's who is the 13900, but in both cases, we have ASUS mobos, and it wouldn't be a stretch to say that they are fans of auto overclocking out of the box ;) (for reference, the behavior i described on my rig was just XMP on, hadn't touched any other settings)
But yeah as you say, turbo boost will strive to push a few P cores as hard as possible so it can cause some serious ramping pretty quickly on those cores for single/low threaded tasks.
Also, happy to see other Tux enjoyers around in what is very "general PC" spaces, seems to be a bunch more who are just around nowadays :)
Intel (and Asus) are not having a good time right now and they brought their misfortune on themselves.
Intel need to go back to the drawing board and release products like they did in the 2nd 3rd and 4th generation.Back then it was banger after banger with no issues because they actually tested what they was producing for the consumer.
I'm done with Intel. Using a new Ryzen 7800X3D now. Sold my i9. Enough is enough.
A lot of games really love that 3d cache.
can the 7800X3d also do simple video editing and stuff?
Intels numbers are as legit as that fresh colour on Bryans temples.
Have the Asus Z690 TG Plus Wifi Intel Baseline option but am on 12th gen. I haven't updated my B760M 12th rig tbh, but each mobo manufacturer had their own Baseline interpretation, so yeah it's a mess.
It might be a complete mess but still it fixed my intel problem, you know, the crashing games stuff
Yeah i11 or ultra 11 could be put out as an enthusiast chip with the current specs of current KS or K CPUs; i9 could be for people wanting to use a chip in it's normal power envelope.
their 'bios updates' and recommended settings are literally just enormous bandaid patches to try and get all the people with struggling cpus over the warranty period so they don't have to worry about them anymore.
all it takes is one look at the changes - PL limit, and the ICCMAX limit specifically - to realize your performance is going to be absolutely neutered + more volts are going to be shoved through for equivalent clocks. ICCMAX is just a bandaid for high stress workloads and absolutely neuters performance, it's a safety feature that the user should tune based on workload and THEIR cpus behaviour as to not drop so many clocks.
it's unfortunate really, because overclockers don't really have an issue with 13900k/s & 14900k/s, it's just the normal users who have no idea what they're doing and expect it to just work (which it should).
Gigabyte's bios update 2 days ago just got rid of the baseline profile and kept all of its disabled cep and high voltages and no limits at default. Just ignored all of Intel's recent recommendations.
Great, i got a 13900KF and i really dont wanna change 😅
Guys intel pushed these chips too far. That is why it takes a massive amount of voltage and watts to push these boost speeds. If it was as simple as updating a bios intel would have done released it. Remember this was and still is an issue with 13th gen. as well. They are probably going to be sued for false advertisement. They claim it can boost up to 5.6 under normal operation. Yet it is requiring a lot more voltage. Then it throttles. While pinging 100c non-stop.
It used to be that you'd recommend an Intel CPU just to be on the safe side. Now it's AMD, I'd never think of recommending someone a 13/14th gen Intel CPU and I wouldn't trust whatever comes next.
Gamer? 7800x3D is what you want.
mobo manufacturers did that with AMD too when they burned.
Quite simply I think the MB Vendors should be making software in BIOS for AI Undervolt, This could help with the average inexperienced users who don't know what theyre doing and keep temps under control,
200 watts + with the electricity price... Well well well
For me the strangest thing is everyone know about it from start. At first leaks of 13900k performance in cinebench 23 the score was almost 40k on unlimited power and 36k on 253 watts. That means that everyone know it. And strangely i saw how to setup asus board for 13900k before buying it 6 months ago . At asus just was 1 click and mine 13900k is doing 38k in cinebench and 80 Celsius on aio and and maybe 1-2 fps drop in games with 60 degrees tops. Haven't seen any crashes I only learned about it from internet . And is working on max clocks.
Didn’t see my comment that I put up earlier but Intel is a big company and I think they’ll get this fixed. AMD a few years ago was on the brink of bankruptcy before ryzen and bounced back. I think Intel will do the same.
Depending on your price point though am5 is a great value now. Though I think if you’re looking at Intel, at least in the USA, z690 boards can suddenly be found dirt cheap. Look on Newegg, they have ddr4 and ddr5 z690 boards for as low as 120-130 dollars. At that I can’t see buying a b660 or b760 unless your budget is just that tight.
Running an msi z690 pro WiFi ddr4 board with my i5 12600kf now and it runs great. But sounds like next CPU upgrade unless I change platforms and pass these parts down in a year or two will be an i7 13700k/kf or the i7 14700k/kf.
I'd worry about the B760 VRMs catching fire....
The perfect power for intel is the 50w max before that is only heat! 1% performance increase per 10w of power
So we're back to the good ol' "i5 vs i7 for gaming" debacle, but now its "i7 vs i9" lol.
cause intel cut i5 cache... for some reason
14gen i5(L3 24mb), i7(L3 33mb), i9(L3 36mb)
Thanks for pushing out all of those numbers. Back to the drawing board for Intel.
we need this king of stuff week after release, not YEAR after release ^^
I didn't know you could implement a breaking DLC for a CPU...
"overclocked inefficient monstrosities" yeh. good descriptor. (no sarcasm)
What some people will do to get a few extra FPS, and what other people will do to make their CPUs last longer.
I've put some of my old potatoes on Linux, give them purpose as an HTPC or low end emulation/something.
@@dianaalyssa8726 Thank you for your reply. Would you please re-write your reply so that I can understand what you are saying. The only use I have for potatoes is to eat them. Potatoe Pancakes are my favorite.
Yeah I tried to tell TechDeals on release day almost 2 years ago that the 13700K was the pick and he was all like "Nah man either get the 13600K for budget value or go all the way with the i9 man". Well Tech - you were wrong and I was right.
to be fair, no one expected this to happen, him included, so he pointed to value with the nost performance
He was into the price performance and the motherboard features. Even 12th on sale not everything was perfect. Feel like I dodged the 13th/14th issue somewhat but there's been annoyances like ram tuning, turning off Turbo boost to not crash during gaming etc even on 12th.
i7 13700K has 30mb L3 and 8-ecores vs i7 14700K 33mb L3 and 12-ecores = L3 +3mb and Ecore +4c
that means the I7 14gen is closed to the I9.
and btw the 13 and 14gen I9 have same cores and cache.
same with i5 13gen and 14gen, only the i7 14gen has improvement other than clock speed.
the other thing is that the i7 13gen boosts to 5400mhz while the 14gen 5600mhz.
but nowdays the lower clock is better since it means the cpu will not be unstable...
@@hliasunknown wow, no sh!it?! xD
All of the 13th/14th gen CPUs are affected, so both are bad picks.
I might just take my i9 back for the sheer false advertising
Even Digital Foundry ditched Intel and went AMD. Must be pretty bad out there
We need a Tech Yes Bass Line profile on every bios.
5:35 that's should you that the Intel CPUs were running over expended out of the box on default BIOS.
Also stop using Cinebench R23, that benchmark is old and a weak test for stability. Start using Cinebench 2024.
Has stability improved?
LMFAO
I don't even know what the hell is happening around with i9-14900K and 13900K's stability issue. I am running my i9-14900K with intel recommended PL1 and PL2 settings and one of my friend is using i9-13900K in his pc using at intel recommended settings, not a single instability issue was found !! it runs super smooth no issue and the temperatures also stays under control with arctic freezer II 360mm at intel settings I don't know why other people are facing instability issues with their system.
Has anyone tested the 13900K on a Z690 with DDR4 as I've had no issues at all and although I'm not really a gamer, I do do video editing renders that take up to 6 hours and Handbrake runs of around 2 hours. The CPU sure gets hot, especially using Handbrake, but as for crashing, no issues here at all.
thanks for the video dude, any chances that you can make the same stress test both intel estability enabled and disabled in an i3 12100F? and on a tuf gamming B660m plus wifi d4 motherboard , please!
I don't think it is about competing in games with AMD. The ''k"s and the philosophy behind them were around when AMD did not compete. They are for hobbyist to tinker with and mainly compete against themselves. I have never looked up an AMD Cinebench scores to see how my "k"s were doing, just other k scores.
I also think that Intel was at the limit with 13th gen since only my i9 13900kS has overclocking headroom and my 2 non "S" i9s do not. 14th gen is past the limit.
My i7 14900kf can't get through R23 without crashing on "out of the box"(AORUS Pro X) settings. So not even stable at stock.
So now what is the point of the "k"s if the only tweaking you can do is to remove performance to keep them stable.
My 14th gen i7 will be replace with an i9 13900kS. The last great Intel k series CPU.
baseline mode using more energy, strangely not.
I'm confused why people are slagging on Intel for manufacturers pushing the envelope over baseline and then when Intel tries to address it with their own baseline profiles to try and make people happy they're still at fault. I absolutely disagree with this take by social media to try and make Intel look bad when AMD has been having the exact same problems since Zen 3. It's absolutely dumb. AMD has still not remedied the 10 year old problem of what the manufacturer sells and says a mobo is compatible for doesn't mean it'll actually work without having an 1000 series cpu lying around that you can use to get a mobo to post for a bios update. You all glazed over that one but lose your minds when motherboard manufacturers don't listen to CPU specs and push OCs out of range of the product specs and are surprisedPikachu when it doesn't work on these high TDP, high Mhz chips. YT tech reviewers except Jayz2cents seem to be doing some incredibly shady reviewing.
I'm not a shill for either company. I've owned PII, PIII, Pentium IV, Core 2 Duo, Duron, Athlon, Phenom, Phenom II, FX, 2000 series, 3000 series, 4790k, 10850k, and have built 1800Xs, 5000 series, i9s, i5s, i7s, i3s, and for the life of me cannot understand why this 10 year problem with AMD has been largely ignored and never given the same treatment as these other companies. I think money might be involved. I'm about done with 90% of the tech YT space and they're about to get yeeted like LTT if they don't get themselves checked.
It’s a problem because Intel is pushing the blame on motherboard manufacturers when we all know that intel gave them the free run with power targets since the 8th gen processors. Now that Intel is in trouble they are blaming the motherboard manufacturers. Intel wanted to defeat AMD at all costs and the result is this fiasco. Ryzen 7000 series will also face the same problem sure or later. No matter how much the companies say a chip running at constant 90-100 degrees with more than 150 watts going through them is bound to degrade over time.
First, intel is the ones claiming to have boost clocks hit 5.6ghz on 14700k and 6.0-6.2ghz on the 14900k/KS. Did intel not even test their own products to be able to claim these speeds? Were they using intels own baseline power profile when they were getting these great boost speeds? If intel was able to get 100% stable boosts up to the claimed boost speeds then why are we having all these instability issues? The motherboard manufacturers work with intel to make these bios. The truth is intel either didn't test their own processors and in order to compete with amd let board partners tweak and create settings that are pushing too much voltage at which point they should have contacted and corrected the issues but we are still here waiting and cpu's are dying left and right. The so called intel baseline defaults are apparently not using intels actual recommended either. So why would board partners keep using settings that are burning up chips? Because they don't know what else can be done to get the advertised speeds that intel claimed. That is why intel is responsible. Where are all the intel engineers and why aren't they figuring out what is causing these issues? If it is as simple as a bios update it should be fairly simple to set intels recommended specs. Instead no one even knows what the recommended specs are for the i7's.
Because intel claimed that behaviour is in spec. Intel was aware of it and didn't enforce it because it's the only way it can compete vs AMD.
@@devjitdutta5670 I don't see any evidence that Ryzen 7000 series are going to face the same problems, as AMD's out of box behavior can never exceed the current limits imposed by the silicon fitness monitoring (FIT) system unless you intentionally enable settings that disable FIT (specifically a manual multiplier or PBO voltage scalar). AMD is generous with the max voltage they run for single thread boosts, but they are very conservative when it comes to the max allowed all-core current. AMD isn't pushing 7000 series silicon nearly as hard as Intel is pushing 14th gen silicon.
At Intel spec 253w pl1 and 2 & 307A cache/core limit my 14900k is getting 6ghz p core 2 active, and all core workload 5.7ghz and when it heats up 5.5-5.6ghz. I doubt the 14700k is getting that.
amazing
You know what I did to my 13900k to make it stable? turn ac/dc loadline from 50/80 to 60/80 and lock all cores to 5.5ghz.
Some mother board vender made a “intel baseline” then intel in a statement said that they did not have anything to do with it and said they did not even use the recommendations in the intel documents
intel offered fake baseoune profiles and pet motherboard manufacturers do whatever they wanted, tye goal was sell and make amd look bad
they can get sied because the baseline offered in the first place does not work as they promised, cpu loses alot of performance, some say that loses up to 20% performance, if your cpu is not damaged already
i9s are mostly the one having instability issues i havent faced any issues yet on my i7 14700k and im not using intel limits im not saying the issue isnt there on i7s its just that its very few compared to the i9s
Intel should recall these cpus pretty much and give out fixed for stability version.
FK i do with top ratings if it crashes ?
I stick with the gen 11... Or gen 12 as maximum..
It's meant to be 253w / 253w. Any board that isn't that should be considered garbage that doesn't actually support the CPU since it's supposed to run 253w indefinitely due to it's 'K' SKU.
No more Intel for me.
if things keep going like this, no more intel for anyone, they might abandon cpu market
earlier this year intel ceo was offering thir fabs to nvidia, amd and qualcomm, they know what is comming
No more Amd for me.
Oh come on, don't tell me you've forgotten the exploded 7800X3Ds? Just don't be an early adopter and do your research before purchasing.
@@GeminionRayThat AMD was not aware and began solving the problem immediately? Oh yes I remember.
Intel knew all of this was happening and even said It was normal behaviour, only after the backlash that they began doing something, they knew It from the get go, thats not the first generation that this situation has been occurring.
@@Lue1337 AMD also claimed they designed Zen 4 to run at 95C and only enforced proper voltage with their non-X SKUs later, especially after their X3D chips exploded. Both of them didn't want to give the no.1 spot in benchmarks to the other and went overboard with their decisions and in turns hurt the consumers, although in Intel's case it's arguably worse. IMO these days it's better not to jump too early to a new platform, and everything that runs too hot should not be even considered unless you want to be adventurous.
Go AM5. Problem solved.
Should I even worry about this on a 13700K?
You should, these CPUs are degrading and having helped someone troubleshoot it, the PC is basically completely borked and will never be stable again. Even with the baseline profile.
Great to see all the efforts intel made in creating an awesome cpu architecture (alder lake and raptor lake) being lost to Intels screw ups on the microcode power settings 😭😢! Us Ryzen users will be paying more if Intel lets its cpu slide too far back.
Screw Intel im going all AMD from now on
Me too for my future rigs. I've owned a couple AMD before an A series cheap laptop and an Athlon K2 from back in the day, just as comparable experience. Had no issues gaming before class on my laptop. Think next upgrade could be on AM5.
does a 13700f have the same problems?
I regret buying a z790 motherboard. What a turd generation.
I don't see why you should regret your purchase decision, even if it wasn't ideal. That's basically what to expect being an early adopter. It's not like AM5's launch was free of fault either (too high power draw and temperature, compatibility issues with high clock DDR5, exploding 7800X3Ds), but they fixed the issues and over time people seem to have forgotten.
If I were in your shoes, I'd just turn on the power limits that most people agree on. Sure, you may lose a bit of performance but you get better stability and longevity for your hardware in return.
The CPUs are not with problems, the people who buy the chip dont use a appropriate cooler, and the CPU temperatures goes high. Specially when PPL uses a Z motherboard, and a K CPU. The motherboard itself does a OC even if you choose optimize default settings. So i think PPL need to start think twice before buy K CPUs, because of system Cooler. If you have a watercooler you good to go, if you not, just pick a non K CPU. Thays why they still exists. Thays my opinion.
These CPUs cant safely be overclocked anymore and the stock setting as soon as you plug It in are overclocks, so all you said is Just wrong because It should be an option, not settings one should account for, lots of ppl who dont know how computers work are buying Intel thinking their coolers can keep up, thats because Intel says It consumes x amount of power but It doesnt, its actually a lot more, so no, the problem cant be blamed on people, the real culprit here is Intel, marketing the CPUs as they did and not controlling the crazyness on the board partners created this mess, you sound a lot like a Intel employee.
No cooler will handle 500+ watts, which is what these need to be stable.
Intel allowed this to happen in order to beat AMD on benchmarks. They knew all along .
Ive heard Intel's true baseline is actually 188w max
Like Intel marketing and Fanboys , "Intel Just Works" kkkk
I agree with Brian all the way give the customers what is best and stop playing I'm Better then you because on the long haul the 13 gen and the 14th gen is crap Intel was better off with the 12 Gen but they always want to push the bar in giving PC gamers more then they can handle and the disappointment will fall back on Intel.
Given what you have discovered, do you think gamers should have dialled back their game settings instead of downloading bios patch for default power settings ? I was never a fan of Intel's tile architecture but was hoping with maturity that this architecture would yield impressive power savings........ I would appreciate it if you could do a video on down clocking Intel's 11th to 14th Gen CPU's for sweet spot on least power to highest performance.
i'm waiting to see what the next gen AMD and Intel will be like before i upgrade again 😀
Huh I didn't know cinebench was considered as a game lol 💀
Rushed code to fix cpu's, when they were released on oct 17 2023. If this was AMD every one would have been putting the boot in.
i9 14900k memory types
Up to DDR5 5600 MT/s
Up to DDR4 3200 MT/s
What do thses cpu's do on a ddr4 board?
And ram running at the same spped as cpu?
i9 14900K
Processor Base Power 125 W
Maximum Turbo Power 253 W
i9 14900
Processor Base Power 65 W
Maximum Turbo Power 219 W