The fact that mobo manufactures are complaining about it being cinebench shows how little they care. Like Jay said, it's a thing you can run on your system, and the system shouldn't blow itself up over it. If it blows up with no user changes, that's on them.
I very much doubt that any mainboard vendor said that. Cinebench is essentially just a benchmark version of the Cinema 4D renderer. In the real world, many projects would take way way longer to render than the 20-30 seconds a CB run might take.
As a 3D artist, I'm flabbergasted that any performance mobo vendor would say Cinebench is unrealistic. Cinebench is literally recreating a typical workload I have, but for shorter durations. I'd like to think vendors selling me performance hardware to do that job actually design to be stable with that load.
I know, right? I did a photogamatry render that lasted 2 hours with my CPU pegged the entire time. The water in my loop was actually 66c. It was cold and rainy outside. My office was extremely cozy.
As you and others have pointed out, THIS SHOULD BE THE DEFAULT. The most stable limits recommended by Intel *SHOULD BE THE DEFAULT SETTINGS OF THE MOTHERBOARD*
Right, your average person never goes into the BIOS or sees AUTO and just thinks okay that means it isn't overclocked so it is "safe." They sure don't think "I hope AUTO redlines my CPU/System to the point of failure or damage." It blows my mind that Intel is okay with this, NVIDIA and AMD would never let ASUS or MSI do this with their GPUs.
I mean, yes and no - I very much appreciates my MSI motherboard lets my 11400 run on PL2 forever as long as the temps are fine, something which is very much 'out of specs' for that chip. There's 'out of specs', and 'pumping 100+ watts over the "safe" limit forever' out of specs
The kitchen in my apartment has a dishwasher but no drawers. They removed all the drawers to put in the dishwasher. I didn't notice until I moved in. They can market "dishwasher" as a selling point for a cheap apartment. Nobody checks for drawers. It's just assumed. Same reason that most prebuilts have shitty power supplies.
Thanks Jay. Brand new i9 14900, water cooler, on an MSI board, kept maxing out temperatures on minimal loading. I checked the cooler, I changed the thermal paste, then started looking for answers. Thanks for this and a few other videos. It wasn't me, it was the mother board settings. I've been tweeking, but I'll go in and check the setting you posted on this video. I agree, stock, out of the box settings should have settings at Intel defaults, not overclocked settings. Thanks again.
@Baelthaazar I have an MSI board as well. But even the tutorial on MSI's site is vague. I never mess with bios settings and it's not straight forward. So most people getting vague explanations won't be able to follow them.
Thanks ❤ You legend, I was just thinking about bios settings the other day on my new board and what they really meant. You are 100% right - defaults should be intel recommended settings.
Enforce all limits I what really needs to be turned on when you go in to BIOS. My voltage on my 13900k was at damn near 1.5v before i updated my bios. Now it's at 1.3v and my temps no longer reach 90c. Asus is the main culprit here imo. I'm using an ASUS ROG STRIX Z790-H.
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I had exactly this problem with my i9 13900k with games, especially UE5 ones, crashing way more often than they should. Also, my Bambu 3d printer slicing software crashed consistently for larger models unless I set CPU core affinity. Finally, while trying to figure out why Helldivers was crashing frequently on me, I stumbled across someone on Reddit mentioning this issue, and the same fix mentioned in this video. After applying it a couple of weeks back, everything has been running flawlessly. Not a single crash of any software since.
Will you be coming back to look at this again? Gamers Nexus and Level1 released videos talking about how data centers and game server farms are running into the same issues on these cpus. And those places definitely aren't running cpus over their limits.
THIS is exactly the issue me and my friend have been getting. He had this issue for over a year and just recently getting to fix things around. Overwatch kept crashing because it was one of the few games that pushed my CPU really hard (over 300fps) and thus causing crashes. I set my max W to 230 and removed the MSI default OC crap and been working wonders ever since. Awesome to see this put more to light.
I've noticed that people have a different MSI UI to me as they have Click BIOS 5 when mine is just called Click BIOS. Do you know where I would be able to find the equivalent setting but on my UI? because I have looked everywhere but haven't found anything. I have a I9-13900H, 4070 2023 laptop so I'm not on old hardware, however I am experiencing quite high CPU temps so this could setting change could really help:)
@@Awaken2067833758 yeah, you have a good point there. Technically speaking this does indeed drop it down to non-performance. -edit- Although, I do see that the 14900 K is actually selling for less than the non K!
I have this problem too, with DDR4. I'm getting nowhere near the quoted ram speeds. (Corsair vengeance RGB 32GB kit). It's supposed to be something like 3400Mhz, behaves more like 3100-3200. lol I can't trust the auto tuning of the MOBO. Always gotta set everything manually.
As a geek squad technician, lots and lots of clients have come in with this same issue, I've been doing the same thing for 13-14th cen CPUs, Drop the core volts to 1.4-1.3 volts, and dropping the p cores to 5.7-5.4 ghz. Most of not all clients haven't had issues since. If you want that 6ghz the CPU advertised. It's only going to be on 2 p cores or less! Or you'll need a 480mm liquid cooler or dual radiator custom cooling setup to handle 6ghz most cores. E cores drop those to 4.4-4.3ghz These settings still get good numbers achieving 38k-40k points on cinabench r23. Hope this helps and good luck.
Depends on the Mobo, for most I set to fixed. I test the CPU with cinabench 30 min stress test or furmark. If it doesn't crash with those tests then it's safe to say it's stable.
@@Darthshiba my cpu seems stable, but my cpu won’t go past 3.3 ghz when doing cinebench, and my score is so low. Around 25000 only. I have the i9 13900k too.
The situation reminds me of the Coppermine Pentium III 1.13 GHz for much the same reason: Intel was losing ground to AMD back then, too, and pushed its silicon too hard to keep up. Electromigration was a hot topic at that time because of the high voltage being used to push the silicon.
There are people who compare 13(4)900K with the FX-9590, that's not actually a fair comparison. FX-9590 was putting out 220W into one of the largest die size ever seen (it basically takes up the whole IHS) using 32nm. While Intel is putting out 300-400W into a tiny 10nm die, the power density is so much worse. Even after 13 years you can still find FX chips that has run since than without degradation.
@ABaumstumpf it wasn't about the speed, it was meant to compare the power. This thing is drawing as much or more power than a 96 core threadripper. There's a huge size difference between the two.
@@ToxicChillz Thing is, the 9590 was slow even when it was the newest AMD CPU, on top of being a hot power hog. Intel's current flagships are power hogs and insanely hot running on stock settings, but they're also not far behind AMD's flagships in terms of performance.
This is a problem that has occurred on two machines that I and my colleagues have built for our customers with a 14th gen i9 CPUs. They kept crashing Windows during rendering AutoCAD (which is the primary thing they got those expensive machines for). On one of them it got to the point that we had to replace the CPU because it was so unstable from that stupid out of the box overclocking. Thank you for this video, it'll serve as a great guide on what to do on our next order.
@@ademiravdic I'm talking about the fact that any SI should know that the BIOS needs to be set correctly, even if this issue does not happen. So it has zero to do with these news. An SI should not send out a PC without the BIOS set correctly, no matter what.
Sad that people have to deal with this so early. There's no reason to run your CPUs at over 90C. Purpose built silicon is rated for that kind of over temp, not commercial CPUs.
@@AB-80X I know right imagine not checking if defaults are not defaults, its almost like system defaults are not defaults, imagine not checking if defaults are not defaults. but seriously its a very easy mistake to make, Very little reason to check if "auto" wasn't the default.
I have a 12900k and I did what you said to do for the 13th and 14th gens and got the same results. I lost points too but instead of always showing 99 degrees during the Cinebench test I now maintain around 67 to 72 degrees. Worth it. Thanks! :)
Just got one, it's solid for gaming, not so great for anything else. Significant downclocks for any real non-game load. Easy to cool though with custom cooling went direct die for the fun of it, peak temps in the mid 60s most things tun at 35-45c though. Just to stress again that's with direct die watercooling. If you only game be happy.
I have the 14700k and love it. 0 issues. Been going strong for 3 months now. Have it paired with a Z790 AORUS ELITE X WIFI7, 64gb Corsair Vengeance and RX 7700xt.
THANK YOU for reporting this. I'm chatting with Intel Support now and it's extremely frustrating! If they don't smarten up and do the right thing I'm done with their processors moving forward.
good stuff Jay, i was having this problem after doing a bios update and setting the cooling to "water cooling"(which i have just in AIO form) what i didn't know was this was uncapping my voltages and making my CPU hit 100c anytime any load was placed on it. I'm pretty decent with computers and overclocking and it took me about a month to find out that this is what was causing my temp issues. The average user will probably never even find this hidden setting, it's just unacceptable. Keep up the great work man! ❤🔥❤🔥
I respect that Jay addressed this issue,and that he followed reddit...I have been playing with my 14900k for 3 months every day. And what I can tell you (I degraded my i9 for experimental purposes) is that your average 14900k should have 0 issues running all core x57 -0.05V at 350A e cores x44. What gives you the best performance is : p core x56 + 2 core x58,E core x42,llc ring x48 max x24 min. Ram at 6400 on 1.35V, SA at 1.25V. If you use these settings,you won't ever face any issues 100%.. Of course 253W pl1 equals pl2. VDD2 doesn't go over 1.36V
Thanks Jay, literally just finished an hour of testing my ram, after months of ripping my hair out thinking that I might have a bad stick or two, all passed - booted into windows from the test and saw your video and followed the steps and too my delight it solved all the issues... I like fast cars as much as the next person but, I dont put a brick on the accellerator to get it out of the garage LOL! - THANK YOU SO MUCH JAY! - Your two cents is priceless!!!
I recently helped a friend walk through the issue causing crashes with hyper threading turned on. I9-14900k crashes reported as an Nvidia compute library file, but it cleared up after hyper threading was off. Weird, weird issue.
@@jf4872 I've noticed that people have a different MSI UI to me as they have Click BIOS 5 when mine is just called Click BIOS. Do you know where I would be able to find the equivalent setting but on my UI? because I have looked everywhere but haven't found anything. I have a I9-13900H, 4070 2023 laptop so I'm not on old hardware, however I am experiencing quite high CPU temps so this could setting change could really help:)
I have a 14900k on a Gigabyte z790 master x and been having this issue for months since I upgraded to this setup and had no idea what was going on. I finally found info that you just explained in this vid this past week and yes I had to turn my 14900k down to 55x and now I get no issues loading/playing UE5 games or any crashes in any other games. Which like you said is crazy how we have to run the K series processors slower when we are supposed to be doing the opposite with them.
@@AphillyatedYT Nope. Bios is fully updated and I still have issues. The problem is still the CPU. If I use intels utility tool (quicker than going into bios) I can turn down the Pcores to 5.2 from 5.7 which allows me to run most of the games I have issues with. However some games , like immortals of aveum, still crash despite it after 5 seconds of booting up the game. Sometimes even blue screening my whole pc. I regretfully should have never bought the intel cpu
@@kylelance9099If you havent installed, your cpu should be ok since there is no silicon degradation or anything, and applying microcode update should be enough. IMO
@haneterujoseon7350 appreciate your opinion. I have a 2 year warranty on it and was thinking of sending it back. Just didn't feel like constantly looking over my shoulder to see if it's gonna get damaged and/or damage my motherboard which also happens to be asus rog strix maximus but again, nothing has been installed yet. Maybe the best thing for me to do right now is wait until they release the micro code and see what kind of results youtubers get from testing.
@@kylelance9099just got my i9 14900k mine has a 3yr warranty and intel is pushing out an extra 2 years, I’m unsure too but everything is based of for intel just spent about 4k on parts don’t want to have to re look for parts again so hopefully itl be okay
For the 13700k I disabled the enhanced mode, set PL1 and PL2 to 253w, set adaptive vcore and I used -0.100 for the vcore offset. You can get away with the vcore between -0.080 to -0.050 for the vcore. I went -0.100 to have a cooler system. I tested it and got 31k on Cinebench R23 (same results as stock) but about -15 degrees less compared to stock. Very happy about it. Side note: I swapped the stock Intel CPU holder with a proper on from Thermaltake when building up my PC to avoid cpu bending and get better cooling.
If you use XTU to tweak the PL1 and 2 limits live you can fine tune when the cooler + cpu combo becomes thermally limited and starts throttling. Set that as your limit, set iccMax at intels recommended max. Then check if minimum voltages are on in your mobo bios (XTU will not show negative voltage offsets if its on). This setting prevents undervolting in the name of ensuring stability. Thats how I went about it on my 14700K.
Let's destroy your pc it's worth 2%.... I'd rather slow my pc down to and be happy for a decade. I'm not spending 1000 bucks every 3 years if I don't have too.
What's funny is that the CPU actually runs better, because by limiting voltage and power, it doesn't thermal throttle. Meaning, it stays at high clock speed CONSISTENTLY, unlike thermal throttling and down clocking itself to give you worse performance 😂😂🤣
@@csguak Consistent clock >> dynamic clock. There is no reason for there to be dynamic clock logic unless you are trying to hardware overclock in the very design itself. It does not make any difference in real world tasks. We're talking seconds difference to complete a task.
@@csguakThat's why i have my 12700K set to 190 watts PL1 and PL2, 96 seconds boost and undervolt. The clockspeed is perfectly flat, i play a game and the frametime graph is perfectly flat as well.
Great video, thank you for these informative videos! FYI I have a Z790P wifi motherboard running a 13700 cpu they just released a beta bios version that loads Intels factory settings. I have updated the bios and ran cinebench. My temps were low, no stuttering in games after the update. Hoping motherboards keep listening to the end user to help conserve our CPUS.
I had problems with an i9 13900K on an ASUS ROG Hero Z790 from day one. I updated BIOS, changed RAM, formatted the PC, and the BSoDs continued even with undervolt or with the configuration that you have shown in the video to leave the limits as Intel dictates. In the end I made an RMA to Intel and after giving them the requested information, they replaced the CPU covered by the warranty in less than 15 business days. So bad for the CPU headache, but good for the Intel replacement system.
@@anjelomichelangelo7726 I got through a year (all with the “Enforce Limits” option turned on) and just started having crashing issues within the last month. Started the RMA process as well. Really crazy to me that it still started dying when I ran it at stock the whole time 😔
@@anjelomichelangelo7726. Exactly. I think some CPU’s can tolerate it better than others others and so some will last months to a year before blowing up.
Sorry im a bit late on this subject, but you saved my life. Just upgraded My old Pc to Asus Z790 motherboard and core i9 13900K. Had Artic 360mm AIO, but temps were still hitting 100oC when stress testing. could not figure out what the issue was. After watching your video set board to Intel default, and now temps in the low 60's. Thank you
Timing is everything, seems last year when AMD was having the motherboard 7 series AMD issues, all content creators were saying in their own builds they are doing Intel cause reliability. Almost around the same time a year later, its flipped. Everyone has issues. It happens.
@@antoniohagopian213 And last year with AMD it was what? Are you now gonna tell me that Intel MB pushing power limits outside the specs is a MB issue, while AMD MB pushing SOC voltage outside the specs is a AMD issue???
@@Audiosan79yes actually, vsoc is regulated, in par, by AGESA, which is distributed by AMD to the mb vendors. No wonder they released a few versions to mitigate the issue
@@Audiosan79 People called a AMD problem because they said AMD should've been looking closer to the partners. Now with Intel pushing 300W CPU the backslash isn't half as bad.
You say that the MSI equivalent is EZ Mode -> Game Boost but mine was off by default. What actually affects the set limits (as far as I can tell) is your selected cooler, in the bios. When you first start up, it will ask if you have a box cooler, tower cooler, or water cooler. If you select water cooler (because most nowadays are running an AIO) it will set it to completely unlocked limits for both short and long (P1 and P2) along with something like 512A. Setting it to box cooler will set intel limits 253w p1/p2. Tower cooler kind of sits in the middle at 288w p1/p2. I find though that it still wants to exceed those limits with the tower cooler setting, just like the water cooler setting. So, set your cooler to box cooler, and you will be enabling intel defaults. You can also adjust the Lite Load Mode from auto (which on my z790 carbon with an i9 14900k was Mode 10 by default) to something lower like Mode 6 or 8 to drop the voltages a bit more, but this shouldnt be necessary for intel spec because you should realistically be running in the 60-70c range under full load with adequate cooling. Additionally you can adjust your Load Line Calibration to change the Voltage droop when the cpu goes under load but thats kinda going into the weeds. Just set your cooler to Box Cooler for intel limits. I've never seen Game Boost/Creator Genie enabled and honestly, I have never even enabled it in the past to try it out.
@@haies09 I tried disabling that and it did not seem to make much of a difference. Also, if you’re using intel spec you can keep it on and the temps don’t seem to change much. I’m not exactly sure what it does or doesn’t do but I have it on now and no issues.
Exactly what I did right after Jay’s video. Changed it to box cooler. Game boost was also off by default. My cpu would get to like 85c in certain games but not for long, but now so far hottest has been like 77c I mostly game and surf the web so I could not really tell a difference in performance. I did not yet have the video error problem after about 8 months on the tower setting but on that setting I was in the 80c’s.
OMG THANK YOU When I get home I will update my bios settings..... I spent like $700 on a freaking cpu just to get non-stop crashes and "out of video memory" messages! I bought a new cheap replacement cpu that works for now, but I want to use my nice cpu i thought was bad! i think this will fix my issue. I tried so many things, cant believe this is my issue.
If you still ahve your old CPU try looking up undervolting. It did wonders for my 13900k and runs much quieter and cooler. Remember the reviewers get golden samples that you and I do not get from Microcenter when we roll the dice. My PC is stable after a good 2 to 3 days of work undervolting and setting limits and amp max and runs much cooler. Sure I do not get a 6.2 ghz boost and just 5.7 one one core and 5.6 on 2 but it works and temps are normal now
I never leave comments on RUclips videos, but I'm going to do so now. I was having a problem with one particular game I love. It could not compile all shaders on startup when I had updated my Nvidia driver. It would crash about halfway through. It would crash on the second startup. It would then run, but it would crash later numerous times after a while. Once it crashed and took the whole system down. I could tell from Event Viewer that the problem was with the Nvidia driver. I tried rolling back the last update. Same thing. Then I saw someone suggest this video. I had to dig around in my MSI BIOS to find the right settings, but I changed them all to be within Intel's specifications. Now my CPU temps are noticeably better and the game can compile all shaders without any issues and is currently running perfectly. I had seen this video before, but I wasn't having an issue at the time. Thank you for making this video.
@@tao4124 No, it was the BIOS settings for power for the 14th gen CPU, not the CPU itself. The problem was exactly what the video was about. That's why I commented.
After months of troubleshooting and almost giving up several times, this solved everything! A Reddit-page pointed me here, and thank god they did! Straight up idiotic to not set Intels values as default. Thank you for pointing out these bad practices by the manufacturers! I've only tested a bit, but my system seems to be running so smooth now, with CPU temp 35-40 with CPU-fans (AIO) only at 35% playing BF1 on Ultra. I'll run through my catalogue and keep testing. Thank you so much for the help!
I am happy with my 5950X, just upgraded from 3600X. Gonna skip the whole AM5 platform and buy only second gen AM6. Never had issues adopting on mature platforms. Went from fx8350 to 3600X and now 5950X with the same x470 aorus gaming 7 motherboard.
@@Manysdugjohn Same, I have a well tuned 5900X under water, just didn't need the extra cores for the cost and heat difference of the 5950X. It's an absolute beast for games and everything else I need it for. I came from an i7-3930k around two years ago now and I plan to ride it to at least AM6 if not longer LOL
7980XE is a fantastic chip but yeah the memory issues are indeed legendary bad. Once you get it going, it's a monster and still pretty competitive for anything except something borked into single threaded madness like Photoshop or After Effects. Got it used for 500 bucks many years ago and don't really see a reason to upgrade at all. If I want 5 Ghz, I can on a single core or two even and it does it no problem. 4.2 Ghz on all cores is kinda pushing it but it works. 3.9 Ghz fully loaded is its sweet spot. That's 18 full cores on a Noctua D-15 topping out at 80C. 7000 series was pretty good in a robustness sense, except for the memory. That memory controller is iunno. It takes magic for it to play nice.
degradation happens over time, and as Jay said the company that produces the chips aka Intel is actively encouraging this MBO vendor behavior so... who should have caught it and when?
@@inkredebilchina9699 Source for "Intel encouraging MBO vendor behavior"? Cause if so, AMD does as well, which made some X3Ds pop and almost could have caused house fires, which I find even much worse than just unstable CPUs...
@@kyoudaiken Jay said it. not me. but I totally agree that there was a time x3d chips burnt themselves. which was reported heavily and in much detail by Gamers Nexus.
12:45 - Well changed Turbo Power Limits to Enabled. But it still shows PL1 Power Limit: 253watts and PL2 Power Limit: 4095 Watts. GIGABYTE B760 AORUS ELITE AX board.
@@ahuman4386 - I went into BIOS - Tweaker - Advanced CPU Settings - Turbo Power Limits - Set it to Intel POR. This seemed to set the PL1 to 65 Watts, and PL2 to 148 Watts... though I think the main issue is the voltage limits not being followed. VID should be around 1.200 V ... some boards are seeing 1.600 v So I would also be looking at the CPU Vcore and changing that from Auto to 1.200v (I haven't tried this yet, I want to look into it further). Though I'm sure someone way smarter than me would say this is wrong and they know better. This is just what I'm doing. Problem is if these CPUs have been going over voltage, the damage might already be done if you are seeing instability. Mine seems mostly stable for now, and the program whocrashed seems to indicate a device driver issue as the cause of any BSOD I see. 🤔
For my 14900k and my Asus ROG Strix Z790, enabling the intel default power limits didnt fix it and I had to go in and manually set the Long Duration Power Limit to 253 and short duration Power limit to 253 and that fixed it. I was getting the Video Memory Allocation error on Remnant 2 From the Ashes before and updating those settings fixed it. Regardless, thank you so much Jay, I couldnt have figured it out without your video because I was scared to change the power settings and your explanation helped me figure out which ones to change
I have a similar combo. By turning off Intel MultiCore Enhancement, and Adaptive Boost Technology, I was able to drop max temps to less than 80 degrees Celsius, and idle to around 30-32c. All with no noticeable difference in real world performance. Prior to changing those two settings, the CPU would constantly boost itself all the way to 100c and sit there, and idle was around 50c.
How do you manually change the cpu core/cache current limit max from 500a to what it should be? I’ve done the disable and all…I really need help and have discord lol to old for this
@@lunchmoneyogHi bro! I just got the i9 14900k using a Air Cooler and the first thing that I noticed is the CPU overheating really fast when I launch a game (87 degree max all the time while playing) Now I’m gonna try with a Liquid Cooler but if it’s the same thing should I just change those BIOS settings that shows on this video for that? Or what should I do to fix and give more space to the cpu temperature
@@avidglory what brand Motherboard do you have? It’ll likely have an advanced overlocking menu in the BIOS, which sadly have MCE enabled by default. It’s complete rubbish and needs to be turned off. Turning it off on my 14900k dropped max temps from 100c down to around 80c under full load, playing games and general use keeps the temps no where near that, usually less than 55c using a 360mm AIO. Cooling an i9 with an air cooler might be pushing the envelope IMO. P.S. if your temps are capping at around 90c, you may have the enforce limit 90c option configured. Best set it to disabled for best results.
@@lunchmoneyog Hi! Thanks for replying bro 👊🏻 I have a ASUS Motherboard, and yeah I change my air cooler for a liquid cooler and it make a lot the difference buuut still for even best performance I really need to try that settings that you mentioned 🙏🏻
Hi, 14900K user here. So the story goes: First 2-3 days stock MB settings with 360mm AIO the CPU was stable. Then, started messing with XTU AI and optimizer all stable and R23 and Cinebench 2024 high scores for one day. The next day booted the system and started crashing, restored the MB stock settings, and everything was fine. A day later crashes again, engaged the CPU limits (Intel POR - Gigabyte Z690) everything was fine. A day later random application crashes, random shutdowns and blue screens with Intel power limits. Counter-Strike 2 is crashing without FPS limit, but as soon as I set a 144fps limit the game runs fine. Battlefield 2042 is not playable at all (this is with Intel limits, I haven't tested it with MB defaults). I'm going to RMA the chip and I hope that I'll get a good chip this time. Good content Jay!
The only working solution for crashes that I've found is to underclock it. Set CPU ratio on all perfomance cores to 55x and that should fix the problem. Resolved the crashes on my system, anyway.
@@legend_of_today I've tried, but no luck. Maybe I should downclock it even lower, but I could've get a 13th gen for less money and same performance. I'm using this argument to RMA the chip.
14900K owner here, no crashes/errors yet. When people said this chip was hot, I didn’t think it would be too hot. Out of the box in Cinebench temps instantly hit 100°. I’ve got two thiccc 360 rads with an Eisblock on the CPU. My system was also too loud during gaming (and I have all Noctua). I had to drop the voltage to 1.15 and max power at 225 (I don’t need 6.2Ghz). Sure, I got a lower score in Cinebench but in gaming I honestly can’t tell the difference. I also find it funny that I can call my 3080Ti a cool (temperature) product.
Pretty much same here. The only crashes I got were specifically on cinebench, my main problem was the infamous heat of my 13900k. Tried everything to get it to cool with my 360 aio, and was very proud of myself when I got it to 93c on cinebench (39k-40k score). Then I tried resetting to defaults and did just the power limits and it caps at 80 on a warm day on cinebench. Similar score to Jay here at around 37k score. Now it runs as cool as it should
My crashes were almost exclusively limited to Unreal engine games, with the added confusing bonus of sometimes working without any issues and at other times being unable to even launch the game several times in a row. I've used the Intel tuning utility to downclock my CPU for a while, but then tried out the BIOS setting changes last week and haven't run into any more crashes since.
I do not understand how all of a sudden this has become an issue for Intel 13th gen cpu that’s nearly 2 year old generation and let’s face it 14th is basically same as 13th. It doesn’t make sense to me
There could be a degradation issue which only manifests itself after some time as CPUs age. The more voltage motherboards or users put through them you'll see them sooner. I've also seen personally CPUs degrade over time. On the other hand, most games don't tax the CPU that much, but shader compilation in UE games are highly CPU intensive. Possibly there are some CPUs out there which were sub-par quality from the beginning others might have degraded over time due to too aggressive motherboard default settings as shown in the video. As for stability testing, I use compilation workloads to tax the system and memory a lot which is a real worst-case scenario on my systems (as some compilations take over three hours to finish).
I have the 13900KS.....My Issues came after 1 Year of using the Asus z790e gaming ,,defaults" ... Everytime on high loads it jums to 100°C instantly... my 360 Corsair Elite XT can`t cool this..... Now i disabled the Multicore Enhancement Set Pl1 and Pl2 to 253 and AMP 307 + set the Temp Limit on 80°C - Manualy..... Now i have no Issues but i dont know if this is a solution 😂
The issue is mostly on the 13900 and 14900 variants because of the higher frequencies. You are right, I have never heard anyone with a 13700 complain about these types of issues. Seems like once you go over 5.2GHz it becomes a game of who has the best silicon and can operate with stability - provided the game engines then don't freak out on AAA games.
I've had this "video memory" issue with my 12900k for over a year now, and thought it was either the gpu or the motherboard. It usually only happens with the newest AAA titles, but I have also ran into past stability issues with CPU-heavy titles (such as modded Minecraft, etc.) and have been stumped on the answer. I'm glad this is finally being brought to light, but I would also like to insist this issue may also be an issue for the 12900k, and also any overclocked 12th+ series cpus with efficiency cores.
I should add the desktop is stable 99.9% of the time, but there are rare circumstances with new games and cpu-dependent games specifically where the desktop will crash or force close the application. This could also be a stability issue with Windows 11 or DDR5 XMP on my end, but that has come to be my only other guess atm.
I'm going to test this method, I sometimes have completely random blue screen problems (usually when starting or closing a game). Thanks for the information and explanation!
Intel needed the benchmark wins more than board vendors, so they for sure liked those power limits maxed out. Or else they would restrict them like they did in previous CPU gens.
This is exactly it. I can't blame the mobo manufacturers because, in the end, Intel has control over this and allows it to happen because "bigger number better." They've forced mobo manufacturers to lock crap down that's absurd, and they let this slide. Yep... in the end, the fault lies with Intel.
Much like the Ryzen burning issue AMD controls what their partners can and can't do with their products. Intel controls what their partners can and can't do with their products, Intel is to blame here just like AMD was to blame here, Intel enjoyed MCE giving them better out of box results compared to competing products because it wasn't a 'stock-stock' comparison. Now it's biting them in the ass.
i tried your tips and it helps quite a bit. the issue stopped coming up when playing RoboCop but i also did open a support ticket with intel to see if they would do a CPU replacement in case the CPU is failing. thanks for you advice!
Didn't think I had stability issues but I guess these qualify. My cinebench would crash and not complete the 10 minute run. My RAM wouldn't do the 3600 like advertised and had to do 2933 to run cyberpunk and God of War or the games would crash. After I changed the settings to what you recommended I put the RAM back to 3600, because I was curious, and Voila!, the games ran fine with 3600 MT/s and my cinebench went through the full 10 minute run. Cinebench score went from 40144 to 39506 after I changed the settings and it ran at 253 watts with about 5300Mhz clocks sometimes 5400Mhz Equipment used: Intel 14900k Gigabyte Z690 Aoris Elite DDR4 RipJaws V 3600 MT/s Hope this helps the other guys. thanks for the Vid Jay!
Yup I had a lot of data corruption issues after I rebuilt my entire PC. Asus mobo and a i9 14k. Most games would either work, crash, or I would get a bsod. couldn't even download programs or instal some drivers. Managed to get Intel Extreme Tuning utility to adjust my P cores down a few notches. Few adjustments to the processor and I have stability. Took me about 4 days of tinkering and reading articles to figure out what was happening.
@@SpiritHawker I had 2 ROG boards for 1th gen intel. One would **ALWAYS** crash when trying to install windows. The other Alt+F4'd itself because it crashed while updating the bios because it was pushing unstable clocks. I returned both of those boards so quick after Steve / Jay did a report on MoBo makers trying to push out single digit gains "out of the box" Literally mobo makers learned nothing. They push unstable clocks out of the box but can't auto enable XMP.
I hate to throw a monkey wrench into this discussion, but the "out of memory" error is NOT just happening to the 13th and 14th gen CPUs from Intel. Systems as old as my 4770k can experience this, and it appears to be at least partially game specific. A really good example of this that I noted over on Steve's video regarding instability for the 13th/14th gen Intel CPUs is with Diablo 4. A modern game (with a terribadly optimized engine in many respects) that is having that very same "out of memory" error. The thing is, the Fenris logs for that game clearly show that the game didn't hit a *system* RAM wall, it hit a *virtual memory* wall. That is, for some reason, Diablo 4 as of the last few patches since roughly the beginning of March, are not swapping textures to system RAM like you'd expect, but merely dumping them into the VM pool. On my 4770k system with both a 1080 Ti and my 4090 in as a test (the 4090 is in there because I needed to test the card before its return period was up and hadn't yet put together my more recent build for it due to a bad back and having to move a Cosmos II case), the same out of memory error occurred. Every single time the result was the same: the game noted it had run out of *virtual memory*. When the game crashes like this I typically have 10-13 GB free of the 32 GB RAM I have in this system. The 4090 made a very interesting test scenario because of its absolutely massive amount of VRAM. In the case of Diablo 4 it appears that the developers kind of did a massive pendulum swing from previous patches. Prior to 3/5/2024, D4 was doing garbage collection at such an aggressive rate that it would induce frame pacing and animation time errors (stuttering/hitching). So as of at least the 1.3.3 patch it appears that frame pacing is smoother, but apparently at the expense of not swapping textures into RAM, but for some reason VM instead. Windows' default VM is going to be nowhere the size of your GPU's total VRAM in 99% of cases. The only solution found here was to *increase* the Windows VM size to ≥16 GB, which is an absurdly large VM size, as that then locks off that much of your boot SSD, which usually tends to be the smaller of any drives you have installed. Regardless though, users should never have to adjust the VM size because a game isn't coded properly. Yet here we are. So you might want to have the folks over at Falcon Northwest give that a try and see what the results are. It's possible we're dealing with multiple different out of memory issues across various games currently, but the timing of this is really suspect relative to when the D4 1.3.3 patch came out and it kind of has me wondering if developers aren't being super lazy and/or sloppy with how they manage memory and/or do garbage collection in their games.
I have run into Windows miss handling the hard disk cache in the past, if you don't have enough RAM it sets the minimum amount to low. Oddly enough PC's for dummies had a working minimum level to set it, at 2.5 times RAM, a work around for windows 98 era computers, and it did improve performance, on a HDD equipped laptop.
Yeah! i9-14900K here. What worked for me just to get it into Windows 11 was to turn off XMP1. I also limited Amps to 307 and Watts to 220, and limited all my P-Cores to 55 and E-Cores to 42.
How did you do all that? Directly in the Bios or with a third party software? I’m not super tech savvy but I’m having tons of problems with my new PC constantly crashing and I have an i9-14900k like you as well. I would love if you could respond, I’m just finding this video after weeks of problems.
@@ebonnn4598 I did it in my Bios with a Z690 Auros Master and then after booting into Windows 11, I adjusted it with Intel eXtreme Tuning Utility. I've recently also switched off Hyperthreading in the Bios and I am able to have 56 to 58 on the P-Cores and 42 on the E-Cores.
I have a Asus ROG Z790 that recently started being a bit unstable and was reporting "out of video memory" when starting some games and some other little "quirks". I just updated the BIOS to the latest version and the BIOS now has a "Load Intel defaults". So far, so good. The problematic games are loading fine. Hopefully that will remain true.
Just got a i9 14900kf and 4080 with 32 gb ddr5 6000 and m 2 nvme ssd, ekwb 360mm liquid cooling... game like Path of exile crashed loading in zones. Fans went crazy and went to desktop. Sometimes shuts off...
I got a 6600k and got no problems. Never overclocked, never overheat works awesome. Can we please turn off overclocking and make it something we have to turn on. I want my next pc to work for a decade then give it to someone else. Who can still use it for 5 more years.
I have also a 6600k at 4600mhz and air cooling for 8 years and play the best games with it without ever having a crash. The combination with the GTX970 is perfect. Will buy the 50 series next year and hopefully play again for at least 8 years
@@antoniocalimero1173 4.6Ghz long term is pretty respectable on air. It's a x600 series so it's got the thermal room to clank up. There is a trade-off to cores. Sometimes less is better as evidenced by the 14900. 8 real cores, 16 co-processors. Shit works.
This video can't be shared enough. For a person that knows little about PCs it took a while to get to the point. But as a person who bought a pre built, and has sent it back 3 times, then had the same issue every time. This is the only video that has helped. I'm on, I'm playing the games I want. I can't ask for more.
I built a 7800x3d system and had to go back to my Intel system. The 7800x3d started crashing and getting bsod after a few months with 6000MHz cl30 ram and now can barely run basic jedec 4800MHz ram without crashing. (using the latest bios and ram on the QVL list) My 7800x3d has been the worst most problematic build I have had in 20+ years using both AMD and Intel.
I’m trying to get a powerful computer and thinking of getting i9 14900k. But this problem of 100c and drawing so much power is holding me back. So you’re saying it’s this bios thing that was causing it and if I follow this instruction I shouldn’t get it ?
@@ElhajMahmoud The 14900k is still a powerhungry cpu, even after doing this. But it will help. And for the temps, I'm getting around 80c max with a 360 Corsair Aio.
@@CrazyBunny578 I’m planning to get a very high end computer to go into 3d and add it to my video editing workflow so overheating is the only thing I’m worried about now. I’m a videographer so I also need my computer to work well on video editing and usual programs like photoshop and premiere and after effects. I always had a budget pc but after many years I think I’m ready to get to the highest end so I could work better and more fluidly without worrying about the computer crashing because I went all out in editing a video which happened to me many times with my current pc
It is NOT the power that is the culprit here but the voltage-spikes. I have said that for years (at least since Skylake) but the motherboard applying default overclocks is just insane. And with every generation it got worse. With Coffeelake a 95W CPU was running at over 110W permanently while delivering just stock performance. but at least there it was only the power. With 13/14th-gen they are not just increasing the powerlimits but also pushing the voltages to insane levels. With the Intel CPUs each CPU has an internal Voltage/Frequency curve telling it what voltage to request from the board for a certain frequency... duh, simple. For the i913900k that is something like 1.43V maximum when under full TVB. This voltage is the V_ID - the voltage requested at the power-stage, NOT the voltage that applies to the CPU. Intel specifies these voltages under the pre-condition of a certain resistance of the current tracks delivering the power to the CPU. The nominal value is 2 mOhm. That means when a CPU is drawing 100 Amps the voltage the CPU receives will drop by 0.1V, resulting in 1.33V V_CC. so the bad new. These boards have less resistance, apply higher voltages and further increase voltage under load. So the CPU is requesting 1.43V in expectancy of getting 1.33V at its inputs, but the Motherbords increase that so far that it gets 1.48V instead - a 150mV overvoltage for absolutely no reason. Now here comes the kicker - this isn't even the worst part. A CPU is only rarely under full load, so what happens when it is done with the work and steps down the frequency? It reduces the demanded voltage. Buuuut cause the motherboard takes some time and had already deliver high currents at too high voltage it can not regulate that fast, and instead cause of the reduced powerdraw the voltage now rises even further, spiking well into the 1.6V region, damaging the CPU and leading to fast degredation. TL:DR: It is 100% the motherboards destroying the CPUs, but Intel is still at fault for just watching and allowing them to do so.
Yep, this exact thing happened to me with my 13600k on an Asrock Z690 Steel Legend, I was getting 1.4V 200+W out of the box causing insane temperatures, then I found a video talking about this resistance thing and the guy had a default of 0.01ohms while mine was 1.7ohms, so I tried dropping it to 0.01 and suddenly IT WAS SO MUCH COOLER, down to 1.2V never over 155W, I even managed to undervolt and overclock on top of that to get more performance with way less power. In games my power consumption went from 100W contantly to 50W, literally half. These motherboard vendors are insane and Intel needs to keep them in check, this is a wake up call, they are throwing chip-damaging voltages at CPUs for no reason.
@@TheFPSPower I got a 13900k recently and have been wanting to control the temps because it always seemed over kill and I wanted to tame it. I don't know what any of this means but I'm going to try do this, I understand the underclock and over volt part, I was going to start with that. Do you remember who made the video about the resistance thing, posting a link might get the comment fagged, if you know the title and youtube channel that would be great.
@@NanoNutrino Search for "Intel i7 10th Gen IA AC/DC LL 5.0GHz Overclocking Tutorial" by PianoBench It's pretty complex but I kept it simple and just set as low of a value as possible and checked for stability.
I had an i9 and asus motherboard blow up last year, I assumed it was a bad cooler. Thank you for making these videos and keeping us updated on these things.
Game crashed due to being "out of memory" and I was directed to your video. Underclocked to 53 and that fixed it. Had to do the same thing to Helldivers 2 a few months back. Thanks a lot
Back when I was building servers for a living we tested all machines with a mix of benchmarks, and test programs that pressed the hardware to the limit. Most of that software came with a warning that it was not a realistic load for the computer but that was fine for us. It was real software doing just what was possible for the hardware. That it was programmed to press the hardware to the outmost was perhaps not realistic for normal programs but it was definitely reaching for the possible limit for the hardware. If the computer could survive this extreme load for 24 hours in a 40 degrees Celsius room without logging a single drive, memory or calculation error then it would survive any "realistic" load in more normal temperature. My point is test software is not intended to be "realistic", it's intended to be as nasty to the hardware as possible. The hardware should be built to safely process whatever software it getts to run. It's not enough that it works under optimal conditions or in cool environment. It has to be better than that!
@@RiyozsuRyzen 9 scheduling is dogsh*t. I would take the 13700K instead of the 14700K (the extra e-cores do nothing to push perfomance, meanwhile the gap between 13700K and 12700K is significant).
This situation and lack of disclosure by mobo makers must be really dangerous for someone who uses throttle limiting software like ThrottleStop. Not knowing that mobo is feeding excessive voltage to the CPU and using software to disable or limit CPU's safety guards, that is throttling. This combination can probably burn/degrade a CPU real fast.
Thanks Jay! Have the same CPU as what you were showing, and either the same motherboard or very close. Got sick when I saw the amperage value. FWIW, haven't had an problems (yet), but why push my luck?
Good timing award on this Jaz because this exact issue has been occurring in just the last few days for me. I thought something was strange about it because I have a 4090 and 64 GB of DDR5.
Asus released a BIOS update 19th of April 2024: "The update introduces the Intel Baseline Profile option, allowing users to revert to Intel factory default settings for basic functionality, lower power limits, and improving stability in certain games"
Hate that bios update. They forced mine 13900k into 280 amps wich makes all mine core goes 4.8 ghz at boost. And 280 amps limits power to 180 watts. So it really sucks. Was better before just 1 click to disable multicore enhancement and mine processor was working exactly as it should 5.5 ghz and 80 degrees in cinebench with top 250 watt power drow. And 60 degrees in cyberpunk 2077 with path tracing and psycho settings. No issus or crashes
Thanks for confirming my foughts! I had problems for weeks with my 13900k, right out of the box. Even with this settings. I even went from bluescreens to a blackscreen while booting.... lets hope a new CPU solves the problems! Love your videos!
My son was having the same issue in some of the games he was playing and showed me the "out of video memory" error he was getting, and I just couldnt wrap my head around a 4090 having an out of video memory issue until a stepped away from the pc and thought about it...."What would cause this? What controls the GPU?"....and that is when it hit me that it was the CPU trying to tell the GPU to do something stupid because it was having heat stroke while having 300+ watts pushed to it through alligator clips on its nipples....yea, of course its going to freak the F out. What we did was use intels tweaker utility in winblows and dropped it from 55 down to 53 and that seemed to help as a stop gap for his issues. Now thanks to you Jay I know the proper way of fixing this before both of our gaming pc's suffer from early onset of alztimers.
I had a 14900k. Started getting these issues. I got so sick of it, I was well aware of how good the 7800X3D was for gaming and I know the Ryzen 9000 series will be on the same socket so I just bought a 7800X3D. I wont be going back to intel for a long time.
@@-Highlander-42 These things are even going wrong with a constant 253watt limit. I have seen it myself multiple times. If your CPU requires all that to perform properly then its a total pile of shit. My 14900k was being run on a 360mm AIO and the temps were totally reasonable. If Intel would use a copper IHS then the temps would be better, but not matter how hard you try to cool an intel CPU their shit TIM and IHS will always limit you.
@@-Highlander-42 Ok. But the fact still stands that for instance a 7800X3D will do with 60 watts what a 14900k needs about 140 to do. And thats just when gaming and I have seen these CPUs degrade themselves just from gaming. But in this case, the wattage spikes are around 253watts in some games depending on many factors. I actually dont think you have looked at power draw from the 14900k at all. The fact is these things are happening to general normal users, not people running the CPU extremely hard all day. It is a poorly made product.
@@sirdetmist3204My Alder Lake i7-12700K obliterates any of those i9s in perfomance per watt on gaming, it's Ryzen 5 5600X levels of perfomance per watt at stock (igor's lab measured 0.31 watts per fps at stock), with an adaptative undervolt, is even better. The IPC basically hasn't changed so i only would be behind a 7800X3D (the 12700K has a slow DDR5 memory controller).
ROG MAXIMUS Z790 HERO BTF BIOS 1202 Version 1202 13.52 MB 2024/04/19 "The update introduces the Intel Baseline Profile option, allowing users to revert to Intel factory default settings for basic functionality, lower power limits, and improving stability in certain games.
@@jankees4037 Or by a 7950X and be extremely close to Intel's current flagship which has to be overclocked out of the box by the board to get that score in Cinebench while AMD is literally sipping power doing it at stock or go for a 7950X3D which is just a tiny bit slower and uses even less power while doing it. It's nuts that Intel is puling 300w+ just to compete with AMD doing it at half that power or less with the X3D. And the 9000 series isn't even out yet which should surpass Intel's current flagship and I bet will still use half the power. Intel needs to go back to the drawing board and come out with a modern version of the core 2 chips after the complete failure that the P4 was because the current ones while quick unlike the P4 was at the time just use stupid amounts of power unnecessarily which is harder to cool and just a complete waste of power, they are literally cooking themselves to death. If Zen 6 a few years from now manages to put 16 cores on each CCD with 3D cache for a total of 32 cores and 64 threads on the consumer platform on AM5 then Intel will really be in serious trouble as they are stuck with a monolithic chip that just can't compete with that yet.
@@jankees4037 Power consumption is the new top-dog metric. That flagship isn't just costing more on the part, it's costing close to twice as much on operating costs. That stacks up, be it in a gaming rig or a data center. That extra juice you're getting just isn't justified in the same way it was in the Pentium 3 days.
Hold on. I haven't even noticed. Motherboard BIOS' always used to say load defaults or load optimized defaults and they were two separate profiles. You're saying the optimized defaults is the only one there now? Is that the same across all vendors?
I learned about this issue a couple of weeks/months ago and immediately noticed improvement once I set those limits in the BIOS. Way less stutters in games, CPU running cooler... It's really bad that they do this but glad it's finally getting some light because it solved a lot of issues for me.
I bought a 11th gen last summer I wanted to wait it out to see how things would shake out I get what I need right now from my 11700k, I was going to wait for the 15700k, figured it would be a very stable architecture by then. Fingers crossed...
@@OutOfNamesToChoose when I had my 12700k I’ve had a lot of memory blue screens as well but that was because 2 of my 4 ram sticks were mismatched. Replacing 2 of them with the same one resolved the issue. I have not run into any issues with 13900k running ddr5 @ 6000mhz D.O.C.P enabled.
I got unlucku with a 13900k it shows out of video mmory i gave it back to the pc builder company where i bought from now they will change it to 14900kf since intel do not make 13900k anymore. I hope i get a non defective cpu this time.
I started to get out of video memory errors in Forza Horizon 5 after never having the message pop up ever. Did tons of stuff to try to get it working, but never did.. just put up with the error message. Then suddenly late last year started getting crashes in almost everything. Seemed to happen the most when it was accessing storage, or so I thought. Worst was when I was trying to install new Nvidia drivers, which would fail installing almost 90% of the time. Oddest errors were when I would type messages in Discord, RUclips or Google searches which would force close the applications. I would run checks on my SSD and Memory to see if any errors would pop up. I was close to replacing those two first to see if there were errors even though I tried running a single stick of RAM and fully formatted my SSD and re-installed everything, but the problems persisted. Did a BIOS update to my MSI Z790 with my 13900K and things seem to be ok now. At least I held off replacing almost an entire system for a few months, but this was the worst experience ever after having a perfectly running system for months then having almost a total meltdown for seemingly no reason I could find.
Strangely enough, the technical manual on the Intel Web site recommends setting PL1 (long duration) to the base power setting, which is 125 watts, but never mentions the duration of short-duration wattage. I set it to 56 seconds.
Title is a bit misleading, Jay. Sure, those of us who know what's going on knows it's the MB manufacturers driving the issue, but anyone who doesn't might infer that the CPUs are the problem.
(Intel 14900ks) 307 amp max draw set, x63 performance cores, x60 e-cores, 280watts max. -.85v offset per core. ( 5.55ghz steady p cores at 100% usage with 6.3ghz 2 core limit) 70c max and no thermal throttling. E cores sit at 4.2ghz stable holding 70c or under Stock config constantly performance throttled 100c. Previously
I am happy to see the Old Jay back. Yeah, I wrote it. Glad your back. I know you don't get a lot of fan love on these, but glad you do them. Remember when you were happy to worry about 8 core problems?
After watching this video, I realized that my CPU was pulling too much power and crashing itself. This video caused me to do further research into my motherboard, leading me to update my BIOS and fix my crashing issue. Thanks Jay
Can't wait to get home to try this out! PC has been randomly crashing everyday.. most times while just idling.. 🤞 really hope this is it! Thanks Jay UPDATE: One month later, so far so good! This has definitely fixed my crashing issues. Haven't crashed once since changing this setting! fyi: 13th gen i9-13900ks ROG MAXIMUS Z790 HERO
I thought I had a faulty CPU/GPU. I'd have random freezes and stutters here and there, but where I saw crashes the most was playing Overwatch. I'd always get "Out of VRAM" or "Your game has crashed in your graphics driver". I resorted to disabling the iGPU by removing the intel drivers on my 14900k, which I'm assuming freed up enough power to keep me stable enough. Going to try checking out my BIOS to see if that fixes my problem. Thanks for putting this out!
I thought it was just me. In the last week my screen has been going black and all fans go to max speed, forcing me to reboot. Even if I’m not running anything. Went and change my Bios and we’ll see what happens. I can’t be crashing daily like this 😢
Thank you for this. I had heard hushed whispers about people having problems with new intel CPUs but didn’t get the full story. Now I feel like I have a better understanding of what’s going on.
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The fact that mobo manufactures are complaining about it being cinebench shows how little they care. Like Jay said, it's a thing you can run on your system, and the system shouldn't blow itself up over it. If it blows up with no user changes, that's on them.
Yeah, but it's kinda like constantly putting your car on dyno....it can't be good over and over and over again.
@@pekirt lol, then what's even the point in doing it in the first place?
@@ronniekregar3482it's pretty self explanatory... If you can't figure it out, Please don't ever be in quality control.
I very much doubt that any mainboard vendor said that. Cinebench is essentially just a benchmark version of the Cinema 4D renderer. In the real world, many projects would take way way longer to render than the 20-30 seconds a CB run might take.
@@DrDipsh1t cinebench is quality control? Okay lol
As a 3D artist, I'm flabbergasted that any performance mobo vendor would say Cinebench is unrealistic. Cinebench is literally recreating a typical workload I have, but for shorter durations. I'd like to think vendors selling me performance hardware to do that job actually design to be stable with that load.
wait till they discover people render things for hours on their computers lol
@@ademiravdic hours? try days :D
@@Auziuwu Try months at 100% full usage in many research areas, crashing in something as short as cinebench is unacceptable.
Yes I agree. We've been using Cinebench and 3DMark since the days of WinXP. If a PC can't pass those two with flying colors, it's basically trash
I know, right? I did a photogamatry render that lasted 2 hours with my CPU pegged the entire time. The water in my loop was actually 66c. It was cold and rainy outside. My office was extremely cozy.
As you and others have pointed out, THIS SHOULD BE THE DEFAULT.
The most stable limits recommended by Intel *SHOULD BE THE DEFAULT SETTINGS OF THE MOTHERBOARD*
Right, your average person never goes into the BIOS or sees AUTO and just thinks okay that means it isn't overclocked so it is "safe." They sure don't think "I hope AUTO redlines my CPU/System to the point of failure or damage." It blows my mind that Intel is okay with this, NVIDIA and AMD would never let ASUS or MSI do this with their GPUs.
I mean, yes and no - I very much appreciates my MSI motherboard lets my 11400 run on PL2 forever as long as the temps are fine, something which is very much 'out of specs' for that chip.
There's 'out of specs', and 'pumping 100+ watts over the "safe" limit forever' out of specs
But but but that gives a bad Cinebench score like worse than a 7950X3D. 14900KS users won’t be happy about it.
The kitchen in my apartment has a dishwasher but no drawers. They removed all the drawers to put in the dishwasher. I didn't notice until I moved in. They can market "dishwasher" as a selling point for a cheap apartment. Nobody checks for drawers. It's just assumed.
Same reason that most prebuilts have shitty power supplies.
@@nichronos Glad I haven't bought an intel cpu in a decade.
Thanks Jay. Brand new i9 14900, water cooler, on an MSI board, kept maxing out temperatures on minimal loading. I checked the cooler, I changed the thermal paste, then started looking for answers. Thanks for this and a few other videos. It wasn't me, it was the mother board settings. I've been tweeking, but I'll go in and check the setting you posted on this video.
I agree, stock, out of the box settings should have settings at Intel defaults, not overclocked settings.
Thanks again.
What was the setting to disable on MSI?
@bigpoppa1234 Will that work for every 14,900k though?
@@LeadRakFPS, well it seemed to work on my MSI board. No idea on other manufacturers.
@@bigpoppa1234 Can you be more specific about how to set the offsets? What is the actual name in the bios for those settings?
@Baelthaazar I have an MSI board as well. But even the tutorial on MSI's site is vague. I never mess with bios settings and it's not straight forward. So most people getting vague explanations won't be able to follow them.
Thanks ❤ You legend, I was just thinking about bios settings the other day on my new board and what they really meant.
You are 100% right - defaults should be intel recommended settings.
How is Cinebench *not realistic*? Its literally the render engine of Cinema 4D and 3d render is #1 use case for a consumer-grade 24-core CPU.
Where do you get that info from, regarding #1 usecase? Curious because I'm near certain that is not the case.
most ddr5 8000 esport gamers do not use their cpu to render stuff
@@Killerspaten but all 3d artists do, and they customers of these products like everybody else. The mobos are trash if they cant deal with it
My Asus board had a bios update that placed the Intel stock settings as an option. You know, the thing that should've been there from day one.
What should've been there is Intel stock settings being the default, like Jay said, not just as an option.
@@ZnakerFIN enforce limits were there day one but yes, not turned on out of the box
Made it worse for me . now my cpu go over 1.475 volts . overheats , .
Man they're trying to blow up every CPU this generation.
Enforce all limits I what really needs to be turned on when you go in to BIOS. My voltage on my 13900k was at damn near 1.5v before i updated my bios. Now it's at 1.3v and my temps no longer reach 90c. Asus is the main culprit here imo. I'm using an ASUS ROG STRIX Z790-H.
Silly Jay, Airbus doesn’t have a button to eject passengers!!
That’s Boeing….
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
No buttons. Just door plug roulette.
However Airbus does not have problems with crashing and losing doors mid air? So hence no passenger ejection 😊
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you thought you needed an I9 to game you thought wrong because Intel broke the I9's this is what they get for fucking the dog with quad cores for twenty years before going with more cores🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
and either accept the air horns will continue till the end of time if you refuse to make me the AI I want so either lets talk about it and you make me it or the Air Horns will continue to the end of time because they will be to end of me being your relaxing Muse I will be the demonic Muse the end the relaxation until you pay me restitution so break silence and talk you know my email lets talk or find a new muse if they are so easy to find💀💀
I had exactly this problem with my i9 13900k with games, especially UE5 ones, crashing way more often than they should. Also, my Bambu 3d printer slicing software crashed consistently for larger models unless I set CPU core affinity. Finally, while trying to figure out why Helldivers was crashing frequently on me, I stumbled across someone on Reddit mentioning this issue, and the same fix mentioned in this video. After applying it a couple of weeks back, everything has been running flawlessly. Not a single crash of any software since.
may i know that reddit post, i accouter the same issues on helldiver 2
Link?
surely you wont answer their question. your said experience are all made up bro. wahahahaha.
And I did it all while riding a unicorn.
disable e-cores
games dont know what to do with them or that they are weak cores and dump them -> crash
Will you be coming back to look at this again? Gamers Nexus and Level1 released videos talking about how data centers and game server farms are running into the same issues on these cpus. And those places definitely aren't running cpus over their limits.
THIS is exactly the issue me and my friend have been getting. He had this issue for over a year and just recently getting to fix things around. Overwatch kept crashing because it was one of the few games that pushed my CPU really hard (over 300fps) and thus causing crashes. I set my max W to 230 and removed the MSI default OC crap and been working wonders ever since. Awesome to see this put more to light.
Yea overwatch is one of those high cpu intensive games
Exact problem I was having! I'm really glad this video came out.
I've noticed that people have a different MSI UI to me as they have Click BIOS 5 when mine is just called Click BIOS. Do you know where I would be able to find the equivalent setting but on my UI? because I have looked everywhere but haven't found anything. I have a I9-13900H, 4070 2023 laptop so I'm not on old hardware, however I am experiencing quite high CPU temps so this could setting change could really help:)
@@LukeMeurig-Evans I guess updating your motherboards BIOS might be helpful as you may be on an older version
less than a 5% performance dip but a 15C reduction in temperatures plus more stability... i'm all for it!
Going to be quieter too and not need as much ac.
When you enforce the Intel limits, the 13900K gets good perfomance per watt.
It shows that you are poor
the preformance of the non K variant at the price of the K one, great 🤣
@@Awaken2067833758 yeah, you have a good point there. Technically speaking this does indeed drop it down to non-performance.
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Although, I do see that the 14900 K is actually selling for less than the non K!
Board manufacturers are also misleading about validated XMP speeds. You need a unicorn CPU to run 8000 memory stable without any additional tweaking.
A huge problem nobody is talking about.
I have this problem too, with DDR4. I'm getting nowhere near the quoted ram speeds. (Corsair vengeance RGB 32GB kit). It's supposed to be something like 3400Mhz, behaves more like 3100-3200. lol
I can't trust the auto tuning of the MOBO. Always gotta set everything manually.
Why bother going above 6000 speeds, is it worth it?
@@jondonnelly3Exactly, but my asus mobo said max supported ram frecuency 6000 mhz and 6000 mhz runs perfect
8000? Unicorn? You need Jesus for that.
As a geek squad technician, lots and lots of clients have come in with this same issue, I've been doing the same thing for 13-14th cen CPUs,
Drop the core volts to 1.4-1.3 volts, and dropping the p cores to 5.7-5.4 ghz.
Most of not all clients haven't had issues since.
If you want that 6ghz the CPU advertised. It's only going to be on 2 p cores or less!
Or you'll need a 480mm liquid cooler or dual radiator custom cooling setup to handle 6ghz most cores.
E cores drop those to 4.4-4.3ghz
These settings still get good numbers achieving 38k-40k points on cinabench r23.
Hope this helps and good luck.
Should I set fixed vcore? Or just auto?
Also, boutta be working for geek squad in about a week! Good work man
Depends on the Mobo, for most I set to fixed. I test the CPU with cinabench 30 min stress test or furmark. If it doesn't crash with those tests then it's safe to say it's stable.
Congrats on the job!
@@Darthshiba my cpu seems stable, but my cpu won’t go past 3.3 ghz when doing cinebench, and my score is so low. Around 25000 only. I have the i9 13900k too.
Will recheck.
The foreshadow of this video was insane
The situation reminds me of the Coppermine Pentium III 1.13 GHz for much the same reason: Intel was losing ground to AMD back then, too, and pushed its silicon too hard to keep up. Electromigration was a hot topic at that time because of the high voltage being used to push the silicon.
There are people who compare 13(4)900K with the FX-9590, that's not actually a fair comparison. FX-9590 was putting out 220W into one of the largest die size ever seen (it basically takes up the whole IHS) using 32nm. While Intel is putting out 300-400W into a tiny 10nm die, the power density is so much worse. Even after 13 years you can still find FX chips that has run since than without degradation.
"13(4)900K with the FX-9590"
Yeah - the FX was still slow.
@ABaumstumpf it wasn't about the speed, it was meant to compare the power. This thing is drawing as much or more power than a 96 core threadripper. There's a huge size difference between the two.
@@ABaumstumpf everything back then was slow compared to now lol
My FX-8350 still runs like a champ. I only run it stock these days, but when it was in my primary PC it handled 4.5GHz with ease -- and heat.
@@ToxicChillz Thing is, the 9590 was slow even when it was the newest AMD CPU, on top of being a hot power hog. Intel's current flagships are power hogs and insanely hot running on stock settings, but they're also not far behind AMD's flagships in terms of performance.
This is a problem that has occurred on two machines that I and my colleagues have built for our customers with a 14th gen i9 CPUs. They kept crashing Windows during rendering AutoCAD (which is the primary thing they got those expensive machines for). On one of them it got to the point that we had to replace the CPU because it was so unstable from that stupid out of the box overclocking. Thank you for this video, it'll serve as a great guide on what to do on our next order.
I'm sorry, but you charge money for building PC's and you don't know this? WTF!
@@AB-80X they dont necessary keep up with news about them
@@ademiravdic
I'm talking about the fact that any SI should know that the BIOS needs to be set correctly, even if this issue does not happen. So it has zero to do with these news. An SI should not send out a PC without the BIOS set correctly, no matter what.
Sad that people have to deal with this so early. There's no reason to run your CPUs at over 90C. Purpose built silicon is rated for that kind of over temp, not commercial CPUs.
@@AB-80X I know right imagine not checking if defaults are not defaults, its almost like system defaults are not defaults, imagine not checking if defaults are not defaults.
but seriously its a very easy mistake to make, Very little reason to check if "auto" wasn't the default.
It's worse than you think, Jay. These over the top power limits seem to apply to non-K SKUs as well.
I have a 12900k and I did what you said to do for the 13th and 14th gens and got the same results. I lost points too but instead of always showing 99 degrees during the Cinebench test I now maintain around 67 to 72 degrees. Worth it. Thanks! :)
Was thinking of upgrading to 13700k but got convinced to go 7800X3D instead. Hopefully it’s the right choice
if you only do gaming it's by far the right choice. intel wins for some other workloads but amd wins on temps, gaming, platform longevity.
Just got one, it's solid for gaming, not so great for anything else. Significant downclocks for any real non-game load.
Easy to cool though with custom cooling went direct die for the fun of it, peak temps in the mid 60s most things tun at 35-45c though.
Just to stress again that's with direct die watercooling.
If you only game be happy.
It's not
@@hopperbopper Only true in heavy multi-core work loads. Everything else, the 7800x3D will feel about the same.
I have the 14700k and love it. 0 issues. Been going strong for 3 months now. Have it paired with a Z790 AORUS ELITE X WIFI7, 64gb Corsair Vengeance and RX 7700xt.
THANK YOU for reporting this. I'm chatting with Intel Support now and it's extremely frustrating! If they don't smarten up and do the right thing I'm done with their processors moving forward.
It is the fault of motherboard manufacturers... Not intel.
@@Manakuski did you watch the video?
@@Manakuski you should probably watch the video.
@@fightinggamesexplained453 Did you even watch the video? It's the board vendors cranking up the power limit, and set it as 'default' or 'optimised'.
Yes, and Intel have full power to enforce the standards.
good stuff Jay, i was having this problem after doing a bios update and setting the cooling to "water cooling"(which i have just in AIO form) what i didn't know was this was uncapping my voltages and making my CPU hit 100c anytime any load was placed on it.
I'm pretty decent with computers and overclocking and it took me about a month to find out that this is what was causing my temp issues.
The average user will probably never even find this hidden setting, it's just unacceptable.
Keep up the great work man! ❤🔥❤🔥
worth noting my mate had the same 13th Gen i9-13900K and it was DoA from the PC store. Would work for 30mins then hard crash and had to be RMA'd.
what motherboard?
@@rasheedasmith1488 MSI carbon
I respect that Jay addressed this issue,and that he followed reddit...I have been playing with my 14900k for 3 months every day. And what I can tell you (I degraded my i9 for experimental purposes) is that your average 14900k should have 0 issues running all core x57 -0.05V at 350A e cores x44. What gives you the best performance is : p core x56 + 2 core x58,E core x42,llc ring x48 max x24 min. Ram at 6400 on 1.35V, SA at 1.25V. If you use these settings,you won't ever face any issues 100%.. Of course 253W pl1 equals pl2. VDD2 doesn't go over 1.36V
Thanks Jay, literally just finished an hour of testing my ram, after months of ripping my hair out thinking that I might have a bad stick or two, all passed - booted into windows from the test and saw your video and followed the steps and too my delight it solved all the issues... I like fast cars as much as the next person but, I dont put a brick on the accellerator to get it out of the garage LOL! - THANK YOU SO MUCH JAY! - Your two cents is priceless!!!
as a rule for my old work, any PC used as a workstation always had the auto settings turned off, stick to the limits and just use it
I just done the same for the past 2 decades.
To me "auto" sounds like "inconsistent and potentially unstable".
I recently helped a friend walk through the issue causing crashes with hyper threading turned on. I9-14900k crashes reported as an Nvidia compute library file, but it cleared up after hyper threading was off. Weird, weird issue.
With an Intel (MSI) the one to look for in BIOS is 'CPU cooler tuning' it should be 'boxed'
True but it will set the amps to 307 which will make the cpu underperform. So change it to 400 manually after setting "Stock fan" under ocoler type.
@@DwindleFlip Will depend on other BIOS setting/s. If set at default or normal it won't.
@@jf4872 I've noticed that people have a different MSI UI to me as they have Click BIOS 5 when mine is just called Click BIOS. Do you know where I would be able to find the equivalent setting but on my UI? because I have looked everywhere but haven't found anything. I have a I9-13900H, 4070 2023 laptop so I'm not on old hardware, however I am experiencing quite high CPU temps so this could setting change could really help:)
I have a 14900k on a Gigabyte z790 master x and been having this issue for months since I upgraded to this setup and had no idea what was going on. I finally found info that you just explained in this vid this past week and yes I had to turn my 14900k down to 55x and now I get no issues loading/playing UE5 games or any crashes in any other games. Which like you said is crazy how we have to run the K series processors slower when we are supposed to be doing the opposite with them.
Please explain. I have P cores at 55x (and tried lower) and already addressed the power limits and still have crashing in dx12 games
@@AphillyatedYT Nope. Bios is fully updated and I still have issues. The problem is still the CPU. If I use intels utility tool (quicker than going into bios) I can turn down the Pcores to 5.2 from 5.7 which allows me to run most of the games I have issues with. However some games , like immortals of aveum, still crash despite it after 5 seconds of booting up the game. Sometimes even blue screening my whole pc. I regretfully should have never bought the intel cpu
@@AphillyatedYT I appreciate the assist either way lol.
This aged well....
Whats the state of the problem today? I bought one 8 months ago and haven't installed it yet and I see this shit
@@kylelance9099 Unchanged.
A micro code update is supposed to be released mid august to fix some of the issues.
@@kylelance9099If you havent installed, your cpu should be ok since there is no silicon degradation or anything, and applying microcode update should be enough. IMO
@haneterujoseon7350 appreciate your opinion. I have a 2 year warranty on it and was thinking of sending it back. Just didn't feel like constantly looking over my shoulder to see if it's gonna get damaged and/or damage my motherboard which also happens to be asus rog strix maximus but again, nothing has been installed yet. Maybe the best thing for me to do right now is wait until they release the micro code and see what kind of results youtubers get from testing.
@@kylelance9099just got my i9 14900k mine has a 3yr warranty and intel is pushing out an extra 2 years, I’m unsure too but everything is based of for intel just spent about 4k on parts don’t want to have to re look for parts again so hopefully itl be okay
For the 13700k I disabled the enhanced mode, set PL1 and PL2 to 253w, set adaptive vcore and I used -0.100 for the vcore offset. You can get away with the vcore between -0.080 to -0.050 for the vcore. I went -0.100 to have a cooler system. I tested it and got 31k on Cinebench R23 (same results as stock) but about -15 degrees less compared to stock. Very happy about it. Side note: I swapped the stock Intel CPU holder with a proper on from Thermaltake when building up my PC to avoid cpu bending and get better cooling.
If you use XTU to tweak the PL1 and 2 limits live you can fine tune when the cooler + cpu combo becomes thermally limited and starts throttling.
Set that as your limit, set iccMax at intels recommended max.
Then check if minimum voltages are on in your mobo bios (XTU will not show negative voltage offsets if its on). This setting prevents undervolting in the name of ensuring stability.
Thats how I went about it on my 14700K.
Let's destroy your pc it's worth 2%.... I'd rather slow my pc down to and be happy for a decade. I'm not spending 1000 bucks every 3 years if I don't have too.
What's funny is that the CPU actually runs better, because by limiting voltage and power, it doesn't thermal throttle. Meaning, it stays at high clock speed CONSISTENTLY, unlike thermal throttling and down clocking itself to give you worse performance 😂😂🤣
@@csguak Consistent clock >> dynamic clock. There is no reason for there to be dynamic clock logic unless you are trying to hardware overclock in the very design itself. It does not make any difference in real world tasks. We're talking seconds difference to complete a task.
Don't forget the increased electricity usage. 5% speed gain for 30% more watts? That's totally unnecessary.
@@csguak honestly i never even thought of this - good point.
@@csguakThat's why i have my 12700K set to 190 watts PL1 and PL2, 96 seconds boost and undervolt. The clockspeed is perfectly flat, i play a game and the frametime graph is perfectly flat as well.
Great video, thank you for these informative videos! FYI I have a Z790P wifi motherboard running a 13700 cpu they just released a beta bios version that loads Intels factory settings. I have updated the bios and ran cinebench. My temps were low, no stuttering in games after the update. Hoping motherboards keep listening to the end user to help conserve our CPUS.
Same here
I am building with Z790P with 14700k. Where do I find the beta version?
I had problems with an i9 13900K on an ASUS ROG Hero Z790 from day one. I updated BIOS, changed RAM, formatted the PC, and the BSoDs continued even with undervolt or with the configuration that you have shown in the video to leave the limits as Intel dictates. In the end I made an RMA to Intel and after giving them the requested information, they replaced the CPU covered by the warranty in less than 15 business days. So bad for the CPU headache, but good for the Intel replacement system.
but if you don't set power limit to intel's specs, it still may start crashing. my 13900k crashes started about 4months later after purchase
@@anjelomichelangelo7726 I got through a year (all with the “Enforce Limits” option turned on) and just started having crashing issues within the last month. Started the RMA process as well. Really crazy to me that it still started dying when I ran it at stock the whole time 😔
@@anjelomichelangelo7726. Exactly. I think some CPU’s can tolerate it better than others others and so some will last months to a year before blowing up.
Sorry im a bit late on this subject, but you saved my life. Just upgraded My old Pc to Asus Z790 motherboard and core i9 13900K. Had Artic 360mm AIO, but temps were still hitting 100oC when stress testing. could not figure out what the issue was. After watching your video set board to Intel default, and now temps in the low 60's. Thank you
Timing is everything, seems last year when AMD was having the motherboard 7 series AMD issues, all content creators were saying in their own builds they are doing Intel cause reliability. Almost around the same time a year later, its flipped. Everyone has issues. It happens.
But it's the motherboard this time.
@@antoniohagopian213 And last year with AMD it was what? Are you now gonna tell me that Intel MB pushing power limits outside the specs is a MB issue, while AMD MB pushing SOC voltage outside the specs is a AMD issue???
@@Audiosan79yes actually, vsoc is regulated, in par, by AGESA, which is distributed by AMD to the mb vendors. No wonder they released a few versions to mitigate the issue
@@Audiosan79 Not only it, only ASUS MOBO had the issue. This one is wide spread
@@Audiosan79 People called a AMD problem because they said AMD should've been looking closer to the partners. Now with Intel pushing 300W CPU the backslash isn't half as bad.
You say that the MSI equivalent is EZ Mode -> Game Boost but mine was off by default. What actually affects the set limits (as far as I can tell) is your selected cooler, in the bios. When you first start up, it will ask if you have a box cooler, tower cooler, or water cooler. If you select water cooler (because most nowadays are running an AIO) it will set it to completely unlocked limits for both short and long (P1 and P2) along with something like 512A. Setting it to box cooler will set intel limits 253w p1/p2. Tower cooler kind of sits in the middle at 288w p1/p2. I find though that it still wants to exceed those limits with the tower cooler setting, just like the water cooler setting. So, set your cooler to box cooler, and you will be enabling intel defaults. You can also adjust the Lite Load Mode from auto (which on my z790 carbon with an i9 14900k was Mode 10 by default) to something lower like Mode 6 or 8 to drop the voltages a bit more, but this shouldnt be necessary for intel spec because you should realistically be running in the 60-70c range under full load with adequate cooling. Additionally you can adjust your Load Line Calibration to change the Voltage droop when the cpu goes under load but thats kinda going into the weeds. Just set your cooler to Box Cooler for intel limits. I've never seen Game Boost/Creator Genie enabled and honestly, I have never even enabled it in the past to try it out.
This is interesting. I just built a rig with the same mobo and 13900k
Correct.
Or just disable Enhanced Turbo
@@haies09 I tried disabling that and it did not seem to make much of a difference. Also, if you’re using intel spec you can keep it on and the temps don’t seem to change much. I’m not exactly sure what it does or doesn’t do but I have it on now and no issues.
Exactly what I did right after Jay’s video. Changed it to box cooler. Game boost was also off by default. My cpu would get to like 85c in certain games but not for long, but now so far hottest has been like 77c I mostly game and surf the web so I could not really tell a difference in performance. I did not yet have the video error problem after about 8 months on the tower setting but on that setting I was in the 80c’s.
OMG THANK YOU
When I get home I will update my bios settings..... I spent like $700 on a freaking cpu just to get non-stop crashes and "out of video memory" messages! I bought a new cheap replacement cpu that works for now, but I want to use my nice cpu i thought was bad! i think this will fix my issue. I tried so many things, cant believe this is my issue.
If you still ahve your old CPU try looking up undervolting. It did wonders for my 13900k and runs much quieter and cooler. Remember the reviewers get golden samples that you and I do not get from Microcenter when we roll the dice. My PC is stable after a good 2 to 3 days of work undervolting and setting limits and amp max and runs much cooler. Sure I do not get a 6.2 ghz boost and just 5.7 one one core and 5.6 on 2 but it works and temps are normal now
I never leave comments on RUclips videos, but I'm going to do so now. I was having a problem with one particular game I love. It could not compile all shaders on startup when I had updated my Nvidia driver. It would crash about halfway through. It would crash on the second startup. It would then run, but it would crash later numerous times after a while. Once it crashed and took the whole system down. I could tell from Event Viewer that the problem was with the Nvidia driver. I tried rolling back the last update. Same thing. Then I saw someone suggest this video. I had to dig around in my MSI BIOS to find the right settings, but I changed them all to be within Intel's specifications. Now my CPU temps are noticeably better and the game can compile all shaders without any issues and is currently running perfectly. I had seen this video before, but I wasn't having an issue at the time. Thank you for making this video.
@@tao4124 No, it was the BIOS settings for power for the 14th gen CPU, not the CPU itself. The problem was exactly what the video was about. That's why I commented.
After months of troubleshooting and almost giving up several times, this solved everything! A Reddit-page pointed me here, and thank god they did! Straight up idiotic to not set Intels values as default. Thank you for pointing out these bad practices by the manufacturers!
I've only tested a bit, but my system seems to be running so smooth now, with CPU temp 35-40 with CPU-fans (AIO) only at 35% playing BF1 on Ultra. I'll run through my catalogue and keep testing.
Thank you so much for the help!
Now feeling happy with 7700x , early memory issues were annoying tho.
I am happy with my 5950X, just upgraded from 3600X.
Gonna skip the whole AM5 platform and buy only second gen AM6.
Never had issues adopting on mature platforms. Went from fx8350 to 3600X and now 5950X with the same x470 aorus gaming 7 motherboard.
@@Manysdugjohn Same, I have a well tuned 5900X under water, just didn't need the extra cores for the cost and heat difference of the 5950X. It's an absolute beast for games and everything else I need it for. I came from an i7-3930k around two years ago now and I plan to ride it to at least AM6 if not longer LOL
@@Manysdugjohn The same plan, how are your temps, i just recently upgraded to 5950x, i have idle 45-60 some weird spikes sometimes but i solved that
7980XE is a fantastic chip but yeah the memory issues are indeed legendary bad. Once you get it going, it's a monster and still pretty competitive for anything except something borked into single threaded madness like Photoshop or After Effects. Got it used for 500 bucks many years ago and don't really see a reason to upgrade at all. If I want 5 Ghz, I can on a single core or two even and it does it no problem. 4.2 Ghz on all cores is kinda pushing it but it works. 3.9 Ghz fully loaded is its sweet spot. That's 18 full cores on a Noctua D-15 topping out at 80C. 7000 series was pretty good in a robustness sense, except for the memory. That memory controller is iunno. It takes magic for it to play nice.
Yeah, I'm glad I avoided this mess by going with AMD.
I had this issue since the launch of 13900k. I was going crazy till years later everyone is having the same problem as I did.
Same…. I replaced motherboard and PSU to no avail, now this information is coming available 😢
I would love to see benchmarks on the correct settings for intel. I wish all reviewers would have catched this a long long time ago.
AFAIK Gamers Nexus did and they test them with actual Intel Limits.
degradation happens over time, and as Jay said the company that produces the chips aka Intel is actively encouraging this MBO vendor behavior so... who should have caught it and when?
@@inkredebilchina9699 Source for "Intel encouraging MBO vendor behavior"? Cause if so, AMD does as well, which made some X3Ds pop and almost could have caused house fires, which I find even much worse than just unstable CPUs...
@@kyoudaiken Jay said it. not me. but I totally agree that there was a time x3d chips burnt themselves. which was reported heavily and in much detail by Gamers Nexus.
@@inkredebilchina9699 He also clearly said that it's speculation. So I would not take that as a fact.
12:45 - Well changed Turbo Power Limits to Enabled. But it still shows PL1 Power Limit: 253watts and PL2 Power Limit: 4095 Watts. GIGABYTE B760 AORUS ELITE AX board.
Found out what to do? I have the Z790 version but same as you. Need to adjust it or no?
@@ahuman4386 - I went into BIOS - Tweaker - Advanced CPU Settings - Turbo Power Limits - Set it to Intel POR. This seemed to set the PL1 to 65 Watts, and PL2 to 148 Watts... though I think the main issue is the voltage limits not being followed. VID should be around 1.200 V ... some boards are seeing 1.600 v So I would also be looking at the CPU Vcore and changing that from Auto to 1.200v (I haven't tried this yet, I want to look into it further). Though I'm sure someone way smarter than me would say this is wrong and they know better. This is just what I'm doing. Problem is if these CPUs have been going over voltage, the damage might already be done if you are seeing instability. Mine seems mostly stable for now, and the program whocrashed seems to indicate a device driver issue as the cause of any BSOD I see. 🤔
For my 14900k and my Asus ROG Strix Z790, enabling the intel default power limits didnt fix it and I had to go in and manually set the Long Duration Power Limit to 253 and short duration Power limit to 253 and that fixed it.
I was getting the Video Memory Allocation error on Remnant 2 From the Ashes before and updating those settings fixed it.
Regardless, thank you so much Jay, I couldnt have figured it out without your video because I was scared to change the power settings and your explanation helped me figure out which ones to change
I have a similar combo. By turning off Intel MultiCore Enhancement, and Adaptive Boost Technology, I was able to drop max temps to less than 80 degrees Celsius, and idle to around 30-32c. All with no noticeable difference in real world performance. Prior to changing those two settings, the CPU would constantly boost itself all the way to 100c and sit there, and idle was around 50c.
How do you manually change the cpu core/cache current limit max from 500a to what it should be? I’ve done the disable and all…I really need help and have discord lol to old for this
@@lunchmoneyogHi bro! I just got the i9 14900k using a Air Cooler and the first thing that I noticed is the CPU overheating really fast when I launch a game (87 degree max all the time while playing) Now I’m gonna try with a Liquid Cooler but if it’s the same thing should I just change those BIOS settings that shows on this video for that? Or what should I do to fix and give more space to the cpu temperature
@@avidglory what brand Motherboard do you have? It’ll likely have an advanced overlocking menu in the BIOS, which sadly have MCE enabled by default. It’s complete rubbish and needs to be turned off. Turning it off on my 14900k dropped max temps from 100c down to around 80c under full load, playing games and general use keeps the temps no where near that, usually less than 55c using a 360mm AIO. Cooling an i9 with an air cooler might be pushing the envelope IMO.
P.S. if your temps are capping at around 90c, you may have the enforce limit 90c option configured. Best set it to disabled for best results.
@@lunchmoneyog Hi! Thanks for replying bro 👊🏻 I have a ASUS Motherboard, and yeah I change my air cooler for a liquid cooler and it make a lot the difference buuut still for even best performance I really need to try that settings that you mentioned 🙏🏻
Hi, 14900K user here. So the story goes:
First 2-3 days stock MB settings with 360mm AIO the CPU was stable. Then, started messing with XTU AI and optimizer all stable and R23 and Cinebench 2024 high scores for one day. The next day booted the system and started crashing, restored the MB stock settings, and everything was fine. A day later crashes again, engaged the CPU limits (Intel POR - Gigabyte Z690) everything was fine. A day later random application crashes, random shutdowns and blue screens with Intel power limits.
Counter-Strike 2 is crashing without FPS limit, but as soon as I set a 144fps limit the game runs fine. Battlefield 2042 is not playable at all (this is with Intel limits, I haven't tested it with MB defaults).
I'm going to RMA the chip and I hope that I'll get a good chip this time.
Good content Jay!
The only working solution for crashes that I've found is to underclock it. Set CPU ratio on all perfomance cores to 55x and that should fix the problem. Resolved the crashes on my system, anyway.
@@legend_of_today I've tried, but no luck. Maybe I should downclock it even lower, but I could've get a 13th gen for less money and same performance. I'm using this argument to RMA the chip.
Did you solve the problems? I'm building my first PC, and I'm thinking about a 14900k, but I confess that I'm a little hesitant about this intel.
@@Thebossreserve i'm goind to rma the chip tomorrow. Best case it's glind to last few months...
@@MusicNotesLabel Let us know the final result. 👍🏻
14900K owner here, no crashes/errors yet. When people said this chip was hot, I didn’t think it would be too hot. Out of the box in Cinebench temps instantly hit 100°. I’ve got two thiccc 360 rads with an Eisblock on the CPU. My system was also too loud during gaming (and I have all Noctua). I had to drop the voltage to 1.15 and max power at 225 (I don’t need 6.2Ghz). Sure, I got a lower score in Cinebench but in gaming I honestly can’t tell the difference.
I also find it funny that I can call my 3080Ti a cool (temperature) product.
Pretty much same here. The only crashes I got were specifically on cinebench, my main problem was the infamous heat of my 13900k. Tried everything to get it to cool with my 360 aio, and was very proud of myself when I got it to 93c on cinebench (39k-40k score). Then I tried resetting to defaults and did just the power limits and it caps at 80 on a warm day on cinebench. Similar score to Jay here at around 37k score. Now it runs as cool as it should
Considering that the crashes were from running it untamed, i think it is only natural that you are not getting any crash
Same I have 14900K and no crashes. Got an AIO cooler and 12 fans always keeps it at 32-40 degrees
My crashes were almost exclusively limited to Unreal engine games, with the added confusing bonus of sometimes working without any issues and at other times being unable to even launch the game several times in a row. I've used the Intel tuning utility to downclock my CPU for a while, but then tried out the BIOS setting changes last week and haven't run into any more crashes since.
Nice. Yeah. It'll probably last 10 years+ 24/7 at 225W. Intel does make solid fancy glass. So does AMD.
I do not understand how all of a sudden this has become an issue for Intel 13th gen cpu that’s nearly 2 year old generation and let’s face it 14th is basically same as 13th. It doesn’t make sense to me
There could be a degradation issue which only manifests itself after some time as CPUs age. The more voltage motherboards or users put through them you'll see them sooner. I've also seen personally CPUs degrade over time. On the other hand, most games don't tax the CPU that much, but shader compilation in UE games are highly CPU intensive. Possibly there are some CPUs out there which were sub-par quality from the beginning others might have degraded over time due to too aggressive motherboard default settings as shown in the video. As for stability testing, I use compilation workloads to tax the system and memory a lot which is a real worst-case scenario on my systems (as some compilations take over three hours to finish).
I have the 13900KS.....My Issues came after 1 Year of using the Asus z790e gaming ,,defaults" ...
Everytime on high loads it jums to 100°C instantly... my 360 Corsair Elite XT can`t cool this.....
Now i disabled the Multicore Enhancement
Set Pl1 and Pl2 to 253 and AMP 307
+ set the Temp Limit on 80°C - Manualy.....
Now i have no Issues but i dont know if this is a solution 😂
The issue is mostly on the 13900 and 14900 variants because of the higher frequencies. You are right, I have never heard anyone with a 13700 complain about these types of issues. Seems like once you go over 5.2GHz it becomes a game of who has the best silicon and can operate with stability - provided the game engines then don't freak out on AAA games.
Bios updates that's why
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I've had this "video memory" issue with my 12900k for over a year now, and thought it was either the gpu or the motherboard. It usually only happens with the newest AAA titles, but I have also ran into past stability issues with CPU-heavy titles (such as modded Minecraft, etc.) and have been stumped on the answer. I'm glad this is finally being brought to light, but I would also like to insist this issue may also be an issue for the 12900k, and also any overclocked 12th+ series cpus with efficiency cores.
I should add the desktop is stable 99.9% of the time, but there are rare circumstances with new games and cpu-dependent games specifically where the desktop will crash or force close the application. This could also be a stability issue with Windows 11 or DDR5 XMP on my end, but that has come to be my only other guess atm.
I'm going to test this method, I sometimes have completely random blue screen problems (usually when starting or closing a game).
Thanks for the information and explanation!
Intel needed the benchmark wins more than board vendors, so they for sure liked those power limits maxed out. Or else they would restrict them like they did in previous CPU gens.
This is exactly it. I can't blame the mobo manufacturers because, in the end, Intel has control over this and allows it to happen because "bigger number better." They've forced mobo manufacturers to lock crap down that's absurd, and they let this slide. Yep... in the end, the fault lies with Intel.
Much like the Ryzen burning issue AMD controls what their partners can and can't do with their products. Intel controls what their partners can and can't do with their products, Intel is to blame here just like AMD was to blame here, Intel enjoyed MCE giving them better out of box results compared to competing products because it wasn't a 'stock-stock' comparison. Now it's biting them in the ass.
Ryzen burning? Which of the Ryzen?
@@Delver639 x3Ds, that was mostly an asus problem though
@@Delver639 X3D chips when they came out at the very least. 3D cache really doesnt like overclocking, which many boards run by default.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 It was an ASUS problem
@@pedro4205 Just an accident that same company had similar problems in the past, aint it?
i tried your tips and it helps quite a bit. the issue stopped coming up when playing RoboCop but i also did open a support ticket with intel to see if they would do a CPU replacement in case the CPU is failing. thanks for you advice!
Didn't think I had stability issues but I guess these qualify. My cinebench would crash and not complete the 10 minute run. My RAM wouldn't do the 3600 like advertised and had to do 2933 to run cyberpunk and God of War or the games would crash. After I changed the settings to what you recommended I put the RAM back to 3600, because I was curious, and Voila!, the games ran fine with 3600 MT/s and my cinebench went through the full 10 minute run. Cinebench score went from 40144 to 39506 after I changed the settings and it ran at 253 watts with about 5300Mhz clocks sometimes 5400Mhz
Equipment used:
Intel 14900k
Gigabyte Z690 Aoris Elite DDR4
RipJaws V 3600 MT/s
Hope this helps the other guys. thanks for the Vid Jay!
Yup I had a lot of data corruption issues after I rebuilt my entire PC. Asus mobo and a i9 14k. Most games would either work, crash, or I would get a bsod. couldn't even download programs or instal some drivers. Managed to get Intel Extreme Tuning utility to adjust my P cores down a few notches. Few adjustments to the processor and I have stability. Took me about 4 days of tinkering and reading articles to figure out what was happening.
Jay needs to learn the difference between a Perimeter and PARAMETERS
It's like we heard this same exact issue on the 9,000/10,000 series intel chips?
Time is a flat circle.
as you said my i3-9100F giving the same problems from January Last Week
@@SpiritHawker I had 2 ROG boards for 1th gen intel. One would **ALWAYS** crash when trying to install windows. The other Alt+F4'd itself because it crashed while updating the bios because it was pushing unstable clocks.
I returned both of those boards so quick after Steve / Jay did a report on MoBo makers trying to push out single digit gains "out of the box"
Literally mobo makers learned nothing. They push unstable clocks out of the box but can't auto enable XMP.
I hate to throw a monkey wrench into this discussion, but the "out of memory" error is NOT just happening to the 13th and 14th gen CPUs from Intel. Systems as old as my 4770k can experience this, and it appears to be at least partially game specific. A really good example of this that I noted over on Steve's video regarding instability for the 13th/14th gen Intel CPUs is with Diablo 4. A modern game (with a terribadly optimized engine in many respects) that is having that very same "out of memory" error. The thing is, the Fenris logs for that game clearly show that the game didn't hit a *system* RAM wall, it hit a *virtual memory* wall. That is, for some reason, Diablo 4 as of the last few patches since roughly the beginning of March, are not swapping textures to system RAM like you'd expect, but merely dumping them into the VM pool.
On my 4770k system with both a 1080 Ti and my 4090 in as a test (the 4090 is in there because I needed to test the card before its return period was up and hadn't yet put together my more recent build for it due to a bad back and having to move a Cosmos II case), the same out of memory error occurred. Every single time the result was the same: the game noted it had run out of *virtual memory*. When the game crashes like this I typically have 10-13 GB free of the 32 GB RAM I have in this system. The 4090 made a very interesting test scenario because of its absolutely massive amount of VRAM.
In the case of Diablo 4 it appears that the developers kind of did a massive pendulum swing from previous patches. Prior to 3/5/2024, D4 was doing garbage collection at such an aggressive rate that it would induce frame pacing and animation time errors (stuttering/hitching). So as of at least the 1.3.3 patch it appears that frame pacing is smoother, but apparently at the expense of not swapping textures into RAM, but for some reason VM instead. Windows' default VM is going to be nowhere the size of your GPU's total VRAM in 99% of cases. The only solution found here was to *increase* the Windows VM size to ≥16 GB, which is an absurdly large VM size, as that then locks off that much of your boot SSD, which usually tends to be the smaller of any drives you have installed. Regardless though, users should never have to adjust the VM size because a game isn't coded properly. Yet here we are. So you might want to have the folks over at Falcon Northwest give that a try and see what the results are. It's possible we're dealing with multiple different out of memory issues across various games currently, but the timing of this is really suspect relative to when the D4 1.3.3 patch came out and it kind of has me wondering if developers aren't being super lazy and/or sloppy with how they manage memory and/or do garbage collection in their games.
I have run into Windows miss handling the hard disk cache in the past, if you don't have enough RAM it sets the minimum amount to low. Oddly enough PC's for dummies had a working minimum level to set it, at 2.5 times RAM, a work around for windows 98 era computers, and it did improve performance, on a HDD equipped laptop.
Yeah! i9-14900K here.
What worked for me just to get it into Windows 11 was to turn off XMP1.
I also limited Amps to 307 and Watts to 220, and limited all my P-Cores to 55 and E-Cores to 42.
How did you do all that? Directly in the Bios or with a third party software? I’m not super tech savvy but I’m having tons of problems with my new PC constantly crashing and I have an i9-14900k like you as well. I would love if you could respond, I’m just finding this video after weeks of problems.
@@ebonnn4598 I did it in my Bios with a Z690 Auros Master and then after booting into Windows 11, I adjusted it with Intel eXtreme Tuning Utility.
I've recently also switched off Hyperthreading in the Bios and I am able to have 56 to 58 on the P-Cores and 42 on the E-Cores.
I have a Asus ROG Z790 that recently started being a bit unstable and was reporting "out of video memory" when starting some games and some other little "quirks". I just updated the BIOS to the latest version and the BIOS now has a "Load Intel defaults". So far, so good. The problematic games are loading fine. Hopefully that will remain true.
Just got a i9 14900kf and 4080 with 32 gb ddr5 6000 and m 2 nvme ssd, ekwb 360mm liquid cooling... game like Path of exile crashed loading in zones. Fans went crazy and went to desktop. Sometimes shuts off...
I recently had this happen on an Intel 7th generation i5 processor!
I got a 6600k and got no problems. Never overclocked, never overheat works awesome. Can we please turn off overclocking and make it something we have to turn on. I want my next pc to work for a decade then give it to someone else. Who can still use it for 5 more years.
I have also a 6600k at 4600mhz and air cooling for 8 years and play the best games with it without ever having a crash. The combination with the GTX970 is perfect. Will buy the 50 series next year and hopefully play again for at least 8 years
@@antoniocalimero1173 4.6Ghz long term is pretty respectable on air. It's a x600 series so it's got the thermal room to clank up. There is a trade-off to cores. Sometimes less is better as evidenced by the 14900. 8 real cores, 16 co-processors. Shit works.
thanks for the video. havent had problems yet but went thru and enabled the setting.
Bro you have to be my favorite youtuber. I'm glad to see you posting again
This video can't be shared enough. For a person that knows little about PCs it took a while to get to the point. But as a person who bought a pre built, and has sent it back 3 times, then had the same issue every time. This is the only video that has helped. I'm on, I'm playing the games I want. I can't ask for more.
I'm happy going to 7800x3D this summer...
you should wait for the 10 800 x5D in 10 years, gonna be 300 % faster with ddr7 ( :p )
I just upgraded to a 7800x3D and it's a wonderful experience so far. Hope yours is good too.
I have one. Definitely the best gaming cpu on the market.
I'm still extremely happy with my 5800X3D after almost 2 years
I built a 7800x3d system and had to go back to my Intel system. The 7800x3d started crashing and getting bsod after a few months with 6000MHz cl30 ram and now can barely run basic jedec 4800MHz ram without crashing. (using the latest bios and ram on the QVL list) My 7800x3d has been the worst most problematic build I have had in 20+ years using both AMD and Intel.
Thank you for this video. I just got myself a i9 14900K, and I had that error a few times. And I had no idea of these settings on the mobo.
I’m trying to get a powerful computer and thinking of getting i9 14900k. But this problem of 100c and drawing so much power is holding me back. So you’re saying it’s this bios thing that was causing it and if I follow this instruction I shouldn’t get it ?
@@ElhajMahmoud The 14900k is still a powerhungry cpu, even after doing this. But it will help. And for the temps, I'm getting around 80c max with a 360 Corsair Aio.
@@CrazyBunny578 I’m planning to get a very high end computer to go into 3d and add it to my video editing workflow so overheating is the only thing I’m worried about now. I’m a videographer so I also need my computer to work well on video editing and usual programs like photoshop and premiere and after effects. I always had a budget pc but after many years I think I’m ready to get to the highest end so I could work better and more fluidly without worrying about the computer crashing because I went all out in editing a video which happened to me many times with my current pc
It is NOT the power that is the culprit here but the voltage-spikes.
I have said that for years (at least since Skylake) but the motherboard applying default overclocks is just insane. And with every generation it got worse.
With Coffeelake a 95W CPU was running at over 110W permanently while delivering just stock performance. but at least there it was only the power. With 13/14th-gen they are not just increasing the powerlimits but also pushing the voltages to insane levels.
With the Intel CPUs each CPU has an internal Voltage/Frequency curve telling it what voltage to request from the board for a certain frequency... duh, simple. For the i913900k that is something like 1.43V maximum when under full TVB. This voltage is the V_ID - the voltage requested at the power-stage, NOT the voltage that applies to the CPU. Intel specifies these voltages under the pre-condition of a certain resistance of the current tracks delivering the power to the CPU. The nominal value is 2 mOhm. That means when a CPU is drawing 100 Amps the voltage the CPU receives will drop by 0.1V, resulting in 1.33V V_CC.
so the bad new.
These boards have less resistance, apply higher voltages and further increase voltage under load.
So the CPU is requesting 1.43V in expectancy of getting 1.33V at its inputs, but the Motherbords increase that so far that it gets 1.48V instead - a 150mV overvoltage for absolutely no reason.
Now here comes the kicker - this isn't even the worst part. A CPU is only rarely under full load, so what happens when it is done with the work and steps down the frequency? It reduces the demanded voltage. Buuuut cause the motherboard takes some time and had already deliver high currents at too high voltage it can not regulate that fast, and instead cause of the reduced powerdraw the voltage now rises even further, spiking well into the 1.6V region, damaging the CPU and leading to fast degredation.
TL:DR:
It is 100% the motherboards destroying the CPUs, but Intel is still at fault for just watching and allowing them to do so.
Yep, this exact thing happened to me with my 13600k on an Asrock Z690 Steel Legend, I was getting 1.4V 200+W out of the box causing insane temperatures, then I found a video talking about this resistance thing and the guy had a default of 0.01ohms while mine was 1.7ohms, so I tried dropping it to 0.01 and suddenly IT WAS SO MUCH COOLER, down to 1.2V never over 155W, I even managed to undervolt and overclock on top of that to get more performance with way less power.
In games my power consumption went from 100W contantly to 50W, literally half.
These motherboard vendors are insane and Intel needs to keep them in check, this is a wake up call, they are throwing chip-damaging voltages at CPUs for no reason.
@@TheFPSPower I got a 13900k recently and have been wanting to control the temps because it always seemed over kill and I wanted to tame it. I don't know what any of this means but I'm going to try do this, I understand the underclock and over volt part, I was going to start with that. Do you remember who made the video about the resistance thing, posting a link might get the comment fagged, if you know the title and youtube channel that would be great.
What do you recommend to fix this problem? I just got a 13900k and I want it to last
@@NanoNutrino Search for "Intel i7 10th Gen IA AC/DC LL 5.0GHz Overclocking Tutorial" by PianoBench
It's pretty complex but I kept it simple and just set as low of a value as possible and checked for stability.
@@NanoNutrinoreturn it unless you’re okay with much worse performance.
I had an i9 and asus motherboard blow up last year, I assumed it was a bad cooler. Thank you for making these videos and keeping us updated on these things.
Game crashed due to being "out of memory" and I was directed to your video. Underclocked to 53 and that fixed it. Had to do the same thing to Helldivers 2 a few months back. Thanks a lot
Back when I was building servers for a living we tested all machines with a mix of benchmarks, and test programs that pressed the hardware to the limit. Most of that software came with a warning that it was not a realistic load for the computer but that was fine for us. It was real software doing just what was possible for the hardware. That it was programmed to press the hardware to the outmost was perhaps not realistic for normal programs but it was definitely reaching for the possible limit for the hardware. If the computer could survive this extreme load for 24 hours in a 40 degrees Celsius room without logging a single drive, memory or calculation error then it would survive any "realistic" load in more normal temperature.
My point is test software is not intended to be "realistic", it's intended to be as nasty to the hardware as possible. The hardware should be built to safely process whatever software it getts to run. It's not enough that it works under optimal conditions or in cool environment. It has to be better than that!
Man, I'm planning an i9 build right now, this is invaluable info
Go with ryzen 9 or 14700k
@@RiyozsuRyzen 9 scheduling is dogsh*t. I would take the 13700K instead of the 14700K (the extra e-cores do nothing to push perfomance, meanwhile the gap between 13700K and 12700K is significant).
Watching this 3 months later
This situation and lack of disclosure by mobo makers must be really dangerous for someone who uses throttle limiting software like ThrottleStop. Not knowing that mobo is feeding excessive voltage to the CPU and using software to disable or limit CPU's safety guards, that is throttling. This combination can probably burn/degrade a CPU real fast.
Thanks Jay! Have the same CPU as what you were showing, and either the same motherboard or very close. Got sick when I saw the amperage value.
FWIW, haven't had an problems (yet), but why push my luck?
Good timing award on this Jaz because this exact issue has been occurring in just the last few days for me. I thought something was strange about it because I have a 4090 and 64 GB of DDR5.
Flexing much😂
CPU is kill
Really happy with my AM5, pcie extra lanes, lower wattage, first time I went with team red
Asus released a BIOS update 19th of April 2024: "The update introduces the Intel Baseline Profile option, allowing users to revert to Intel factory default settings for basic functionality, lower power limits, and improving stability in certain games"
Hate that bios update. They forced mine 13900k into 280 amps wich makes all mine core goes 4.8 ghz at boost. And 280 amps limits power to 180 watts. So it really sucks. Was better before just 1 click to disable multicore enhancement and mine processor was working exactly as it should 5.5 ghz and 80 degrees in cinebench with top 250 watt power drow. And 60 degrees in cyberpunk 2077 with path tracing and psycho settings. No issus or crashes
Thanks for confirming my foughts! I had problems for weeks with my 13900k, right out of the box. Even with this settings. I even went from bluescreens to a blackscreen while booting.... lets hope a new CPU solves the problems!
Love your videos!
My son was having the same issue in some of the games he was playing and showed me the "out of video memory" error he was getting, and I just couldnt wrap my head around a 4090 having an out of video memory issue until a stepped away from the pc and thought about it...."What would cause this? What controls the GPU?"....and that is when it hit me that it was the CPU trying to tell the GPU to do something stupid because it was having heat stroke while having 300+ watts pushed to it through alligator clips on its nipples....yea, of course its going to freak the F out.
What we did was use intels tweaker utility in winblows and dropped it from 55 down to 53 and that seemed to help as a stop gap for his issues. Now thanks to you Jay I know the proper way of fixing this before both of our gaming pc's suffer from early onset of alztimers.
I had a 14900k. Started getting these issues. I got so sick of it, I was well aware of how good the 7800X3D was for gaming and I know the Ryzen 9000 series will be on the same socket so I just bought a 7800X3D. I wont be going back to intel for a long time.
@@-Highlander-42 These things are even going wrong with a constant 253watt limit. I have seen it myself multiple times.
If your CPU requires all that to perform properly then its a total pile of shit. My 14900k was being run on a 360mm AIO and the temps were totally reasonable. If Intel would use a copper IHS then the temps would be better, but not matter how hard you try to cool an intel CPU their shit TIM and IHS will always limit you.
@@-Highlander-42 Ok. But the fact still stands that for instance a 7800X3D will do with 60 watts what a 14900k needs about 140 to do. And thats just when gaming and I have seen these CPUs degrade themselves just from gaming.
But in this case, the wattage spikes are around 253watts in some games depending on many factors. I actually dont think you have looked at power draw from the 14900k at all. The fact is these things are happening to general normal users, not people running the CPU extremely hard all day. It is a poorly made product.
@@-Highlander-42ah yes, 600$ for a CPU + 600 more for the misc shit just to get an unstable chip that's impossible to cool
@@-Highlander-42Sit down intel shill.
@@sirdetmist3204My Alder Lake i7-12700K obliterates any of those i9s in perfomance per watt on gaming, it's Ryzen 5 5600X levels of perfomance per watt at stock (igor's lab measured 0.31 watts per fps at stock), with an adaptative undervolt, is even better.
The IPC basically hasn't changed so i only would be behind a 7800X3D (the 12700K has a slow DDR5 memory controller).
ROG MAXIMUS Z790 HERO BTF BIOS 1202
Version 1202
13.52 MB 2024/04/19
"The update introduces the Intel Baseline Profile option, allowing users to revert to Intel factory default settings for basic functionality, lower power limits, and improving stability in certain games.
And here I am already worrying about my Ryzen 5950X drawing max of 141w. 😅
But then you have the slow CPU, Intel is faster. If you buy flagship CPU's you don't worry about wattage. You only want speed.
@@jankees4037 Been there done that. I worry about stability nowadays. 😘
@@jankees4037 Or by a 7950X and be extremely close to Intel's current flagship which has to be overclocked out of the box by the board to get that score in Cinebench while AMD is literally sipping power doing it at stock or go for a 7950X3D which is just a tiny bit slower and uses even less power while doing it. It's nuts that Intel is puling 300w+ just to compete with AMD doing it at half that power or less with the X3D. And the 9000 series isn't even out yet which should surpass Intel's current flagship and I bet will still use half the power. Intel needs to go back to the drawing board and come out with a modern version of the core 2 chips after the complete failure that the P4 was because the current ones while quick unlike the P4 was at the time just use stupid amounts of power unnecessarily which is harder to cool and just a complete waste of power, they are literally cooking themselves to death.
If Zen 6 a few years from now manages to put 16 cores on each CCD with 3D cache for a total of 32 cores and 64 threads on the consumer platform on AM5 then Intel will really be in serious trouble as they are stuck with a monolithic chip that just can't compete with that yet.
@@jankees4037 Power consumption is the new top-dog metric. That flagship isn't just costing more on the part, it's costing close to twice as much on operating costs. That stacks up, be it in a gaming rig or a data center. That extra juice you're getting just isn't justified in the same way it was in the Pentium 3 days.
Hold on. I haven't even noticed. Motherboard BIOS' always used to say load defaults or load optimized defaults and they were two separate profiles. You're saying the optimized defaults is the only one there now? Is that the same across all vendors?
I learned about this issue a couple of weeks/months ago and immediately noticed improvement once I set those limits in the BIOS. Way less stutters in games, CPU running cooler... It's really bad that they do this but glad it's finally getting some light because it solved a lot of issues for me.
Glad I got a 12th gen
I bought a 11th gen last summer I wanted to wait it out to see how things would shake out
I get what I need right now from my 11700k, I was going to wait for the 15700k, figured it would be a very stable architecture by then.
Fingers crossed...
i7 12700k is just as bad imo.
@@rodturner6759 probably gonna be called core ultra 7 270k instead of core i7 15700k
@@OutOfNamesToChoose when I had my 12700k I’ve had a lot of memory blue screens as well but that was because 2 of my 4 ram sticks were mismatched. Replacing 2 of them with the same one resolved the issue. I have not run into any issues with 13900k running ddr5 @ 6000mhz D.O.C.P enabled.
I got unlucku with a 13900k it shows out of video mmory i gave it back to the pc builder company where i bought from now they will change it to 14900kf since intel do not make 13900k anymore. I hope i get a non defective cpu this time.
Hey buddy, i had a defective 13 also and got the 14 ks and it was also defective, guess its time to go to AMD
Me with my 5800X3D and no issues whatsoever 😎
*Not including BF2042, that game is just busted every update lol*
Everyday my 7800x3d purchase is validated
I play this game pretty heavy it's a hot fun mess😂
@@idkwhattohaveasausername5828 The 7800x3D is an incredible CPU, it's even faster than the 5800x3D.
I started to get out of video memory errors in Forza Horizon 5 after never having the message pop up ever. Did tons of stuff to try to get it working, but never did.. just put up with the error message. Then suddenly late last year started getting crashes in almost everything. Seemed to happen the most when it was accessing storage, or so I thought. Worst was when I was trying to install new Nvidia drivers, which would fail installing almost 90% of the time. Oddest errors were when I would type messages in Discord, RUclips or Google searches which would force close the applications. I would run checks on my SSD and Memory to see if any errors would pop up. I was close to replacing those two first to see if there were errors even though I tried running a single stick of RAM and fully formatted my SSD and re-installed everything, but the problems persisted. Did a BIOS update to my MSI Z790 with my 13900K and things seem to be ok now. At least I held off replacing almost an entire system for a few months, but this was the worst experience ever after having a perfectly running system for months then having almost a total meltdown for seemingly no reason I could find.
Strangely enough, the technical manual on the Intel Web site recommends setting PL1 (long duration) to the base power setting, which is 125 watts, but never mentions the duration of short-duration wattage. I set it to 56 seconds.
Title is a bit misleading, Jay. Sure, those of us who know what's going on knows it's the MB manufacturers driving the issue, but anyone who doesn't might infer that the CPUs are the problem.
My 13900ks broke.
My 14900k is braking now. I spent 5k to have a great computers for years to come. All I've had is trouble and tweaks.
(Intel 14900ks)
307 amp max draw set, x63 performance cores, x60 e-cores, 280watts max. -.85v offset per core.
( 5.55ghz steady p cores at 100% usage with 6.3ghz 2 core limit) 70c max and no thermal throttling. E cores sit at 4.2ghz stable holding 70c or under
Stock config constantly performance throttled 100c. Previously
Time to ditch Intel...
Lol tell us you didn't watch the vid without telling us 🤣
@@nobodysbusiness2178Morpheus: choice between a red pill and a blue pill ...
I am happy to see the Old Jay back. Yeah, I wrote it. Glad your back. I know you don't get a lot of fan love on these, but glad you do them. Remember when you were happy to worry about 8 core problems?
After watching this video, I realized that my CPU was pulling too much power and crashing itself. This video caused me to do further research into my motherboard, leading me to update my BIOS and fix my crashing issue. Thanks Jay
Can't wait to get home to try this out! PC has been randomly crashing everyday.. most times while just idling.. 🤞 really hope this is it! Thanks Jay UPDATE: One month later, so far so good! This has definitely fixed my crashing issues. Haven't crashed once since changing this setting! fyi: 13th gen i9-13900ks ROG MAXIMUS Z790 HERO
Can you please do a video breakdown on MSI motherboard. There is no setting to turn off the auto optimization
I thought I had a faulty CPU/GPU. I'd have random freezes and stutters here and there, but where I saw crashes the most was playing Overwatch. I'd always get "Out of VRAM" or "Your game has crashed in your graphics driver". I resorted to disabling the iGPU by removing the intel drivers on my 14900k, which I'm assuming freed up enough power to keep me stable enough. Going to try checking out my BIOS to see if that fixes my problem. Thanks for putting this out!
I thought it was just me. In the last week my screen has been going black and all fans go to max speed, forcing me to reboot. Even if I’m not running anything. Went and change my Bios and we’ll see what happens.
I can’t be crashing daily like this 😢
Thank you for this. I had heard hushed whispers about people having problems with new intel CPUs but didn’t get the full story. Now I feel like I have a better understanding of what’s going on.