I’ll say this, the mage hand definitely doesn’t do everything that it says; however, it pretty much can guarantee sneak attack damage every turn since it counts as an entity and you can place it right next to an enemy you get free sneak attack, and the best part is as long as it stays invisible and isn’t spotted it doesn’t go into turn order so you can move it near anyone you’re targeting at any time.
just picked this game up in the steam summer sale and found your channel, this entire series of videos are amazing, I love the way you break things down and explain in a way my smooth brain can understand.
The funny thing about the Deathstroke/Deadpool comparisons is that they're not coincidental- Deadpool was originally created as Marvel's knock-off of Deathstroke to be strawman version of him that Marvel heroes could face. He only became a more interesting character when his writers also ripped off another DC character: Ambush Bug, who was so insane that he became aware of the fact that he was a comic book character and could talk to the audience directly. So, Deathstroke + Ambush Bug = Deadpool; and Marvel don't even try to hide it.
As a main rogue in just about any game allowing it since my get go at TT this vod was great. I love how people (youtubers mainly) ignore what Rogue actually adds because they don't have an extra attack outside thief, which outside attacking is being mostly ignored. I reckon arcane trickster deserves to be recognized as the better mono-rogue starting level 9 due its feature, especially with mystic scoundrel ring (haste also helps). That, and the sheer insult in giving us either invisibility or disguise self to the other subclasses at level 9. At least it ain't animal handling?
Honestly, the main thing Rogues add (in my opinion...I don't have any facts to back this up) is the Stealth and pickpocketing stuff in this game. You can spend literal hundreds of hours sneaking around looting and stealing things in this game. Combat is important, but if bg3 had no combat at all, I feel like Rogues would still be about 80% unchanged.
So the disguise self power is a compromise to the tabletop power. It’s one of my favorite ones from rogues even if a lot of people say it’s bad. Basically if an assassin is given a few days they can create an entire new identity with identification for themselves as well as multiple other people. It’s a way to get your party into social situations they wouldn’t have access to, like having the rogue be a noble and the other party members are their retinue.
I heard somewhere that the mage hand counts as an ally and as such will grant you advantage on attack rolls if you keep it close during combat - thus making it easier to be able to use sneak attack. So maybe no so useless after all. I have not tested it myself though so don’t hang me if I’m wrong.
4:51 LMAO 6:40 I'm sure there were some in the audience who were very disappointed with that decision. 9:38 Boy, I was about to hop through the screen before you said that! I love me some Evasion. 17:24 Based on all of the cake on display during that chapter...that wasn't the answer I was expecting. 31:40 Ba dum tss Fantastic video, as per usual!
Here for the beer. Thanks Colo, been wanting this one. Been holding off on Astarian Act III knowing this was coming. Astarian from Lvl 1 to Lvl 12 in one shot. LOLz
When it comes to Marvel assassins, long before either companies Wilsons, there were Electra and Black Widow. They're not as gimicky as the guys and no super regeneration either. They got by on pure skill.
If you really want to play an Arcane Tricker archetype character, the best thing to do is take a couple levels of Rogue and then dip into Wizard. The ability to learn from spell scrolls is way better than the broken mage hand. You can then go for the superior abilities of a Thief and get spell slots from another class like Ranger or Bard, who have great abilities but lackluster lists of spells from which to choose when compared to all the wizard spells you can learn from the many scrolls you will find or steal.
You can definitely scratch the class fantasy itch by doing this. It would be very powerful too...especially with permanent access to the very very rare spell scrolls. It's just disappointing for anyone who played an Arcane Trickster in tabletop and wanted to experience the specifics of the subclass.
My first Tav was a rogue and now I have a hard time playing anything else. They were a good party face, good scout, and of course, a good killer. Multi-classing, I either go 5 gloom stalker/7 rogue (I go back and forth over thief v assassin) or 5 gloom stalker /5 rogue /2 fighter. Give Astarion the same build, pop potions of speed & elixirs of bloodlust, and most fights are done before anyone knows we’re there.
They really do have a lot to offer, especially with how much Stealth and lockpicking/pickpocketing there is in the game. You can get limitless money relatively easily if you're willing to loot everything. (There are also gold exploits for those that want to use them, but that's each player's choice for themselves)
Same, I first played 9 berserker/3 champion and pure 12 champion with crit stacks. Both of my characters are busted af. But then I played pure 12 assassin which instantly forced me to be creative and I surprisingly didn’t long rest as many as my previous characters
Hey, I'll have you know that my Rogue is extremely trustworthy! She just so happens to be dead and composed of the souls of a crew of questionably ethical sailors, plus a few extra, in the body of a teenaged girl. I dont know if your aware of this, but there is a Rogue subclass that is LITERALLY Psylocke. The Soulknife grants you psychic powers, as well as the ability to generate psychic blades in combat.
@PanicRolling yep. Rogues and Fighters make the best dip classes to complement any other base class. Including eachothers. A 2 lvl dip in either just for cunning action or action surge!
Great vod as always, happy you're back The assassin's description ends with "you're too busy getting the job done for honour" - was that patch 5 foreshadowing ?
@PanicRolling 😮basically its a psychic rouge that creates psychic blades can turn invisible and can mess with an opponents mind to stun them. Psylocke fits the soul knife better than arcane trickster I think.
Yep rouges defintely don't want the fair fight. As for subclasses. Thief - in tabletop they are more about being thieves and good at item use. The Fast Hands extra bonus action is the primary reason to pick Thief. Arcane trickster - your rouge gets arcane tricks. This is the subclass you pick if you want spells. Assassin - This is the I want to kill that guy subclass. You are trying to get max damage at the beginning of a fight to take out a target. Some subclasses that could come from mods Inquisitive - really perceptive and can get sneak attacks easier. (Probably looses alot of value in baldurs gate 3) Master mind - good at helping allies, social aspects and learning traits of characters (not sure how valuable it would be in baldurs gate 3) Phantom - uses spirits for skills and sneak attacks. Has alot of utility in that it can pick a skill daily. Scout - moves quick and is difficult to pin. Soul knife - uses psychic powers Swashbuckler - this is a pirate uses charisma and is good at dueling.
The rogue class feels neglected. Its missing a lot of things other classes have, like evasion stuff from Ranger that honestly fit more into the fast guy/gal archetype with uncanny reflexes. The subclasses need more work. It's still my favourite class, stealth archer runs deep in me
Pure Rogue* seems strong for levels 1 through 3, but it is hard to justify not going with Gloom Stalker Ranger after that. You really want to get extra attack from Dread Ambusher around the same time that other martials are getting the normal extra attack. *Meaning Thief or Assassin, as with Mage Hand Legerdemain being broken the Arcane Trickster class sucks. It is much better to multiclass your Rogue into Wizard than to pick that subclass. I like to play as a Thief Rogue/Gloomstalker Ranger with a one level dip into Wizard, as the Gloomstalker abilities are great but Ranger spells mostly suck. It is better to use Ranger spell slots for wizard spells learned from scrolls.
@@jfkst1 Battle master is ok but when I go Fighter I tend to use Champion to fish for Critical hits. My favorite Astarion build was a Thief Rogue/Great Old One Warlock/Champion Fighter/Gloomstalker Ranger whose subclasses, feats, and equipment combined to let him crit on a 14 and cause every enemy near any of his crit targets to become frozen in fear. His boots also get him regain all of his movement speed with every crit and his offhand hand crossbow gave him an extra action every time he got a ranged crit with either of his bonus action. (The crossbow's effect worked by triggering the action surge effect, and so would not stack with a regular action surge or give an extra action for both bonus actions in one turn but I did get an extra action on about 2/3s of my turns.)
She was my first choice, actually. And Lady Shiva for DC. But I feel like any time you have Deadpool as an available option...Deadpool is probably the correct option. Unless Batman is an option also...then probably Batman.
Ahh yeh I can definitely understand the disappointment then. I think the MCU needed a "Flashpoint" style event to start things over, tbh. Everything that has come out since Endgame has been severely uninteresting to me, and I'm a fan. It feels like they thought Endgame paved the way for them to make whatever they wanted, and people would like it just because it had the Marvel logo on it.
The Mage Hand legerdemain had me so excited at launch. When I found out it was just invis and perma. I got SO sad. My favourite class/subclass ruined! ;_; I wanted to make my beloved Mischief from my DnD campaign. Only to find out they nerfed the shiiiiiiit out of it. What's worse. It's a CANTRIP that's only usuable once per (I think it was short rest) which is absolutely stupid. That said. Assassin is great for solo. No rest of the party. Pair it with Dark Urge (the cloak) and Shadow Monk. And you can shadowstep to reset after every single kill. Picking them off essentially one by one.
Yeh the whole subclass feels like it's missing its flavor right now. It's still not bad, but I want to see it at its best. Also yes that Durge cloak is amazing. It enables a bunch of builds that wouldn't normally be possible without it. Durge is the main character, confirmed!
What really bothered me was that the first time I tried Arcane Trickster I was multiclassing my Dark Urge Duergar Paladin, and I did not realize that Withers would refuse to let me respec my character after breaking my oath.
@@mariaveenema4337It might be ok for Withers to refuse to respec you while waiting for you to talk with the Oathbreaker Knight, but I really hate that he won't respec you ever again if you tell the Knight that you would rather use the dark powers of an Oathbreaker than pay him to take up your oath again. What is even worse is that the script engine command won't work for respecing an oathbreaker either. I also think it is ridiculous that taking up an oath again cost a minimum of 10 times as much as having Withers resurrect a lost soul as a Hireling and 5x as much as having him resurrect a party member. If it were up to me I'd make restoring the oath a bit cheaper, respecs a bit more expensive, and resurrections a lot more expensive. I've never played tabletop, but I believe the material cost of a resurrection spell is something like 10,000 gold worth of diamonds crushed into a fine powder, not a mere 200 gold. On a tangentially related note, the camp supply cost of a long rest is also way too low. I think it should scale based on how many characters are in your camp (including not only active party members but even visitors like Volo, Wulbren, Halsin, Elminster, Isobel, Dame Aylin, and the little girl with a cat), not remain a flat 40 or 80 (depending on difficulty level) camp supplies amount no matter how many mouths you have to feed. In my current game I had about 3800 extra camp supplies by the time I made it to the Githyanki Creche. There is no point in even having a camp supply mechanic if food is going to that much more abundant that we need.
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We're so back
Hell yeh!
I’ll say this, the mage hand definitely doesn’t do everything that it says; however, it pretty much can guarantee sneak attack damage every turn since it counts as an entity and you can place it right next to an enemy you get free sneak attack, and the best part is as long as it stays invisible and isn’t spotted it doesn’t go into turn order so you can move it near anyone you’re targeting at any time.
Yeh, absolutely! There are definitely still uses for it, and it's not bad by any means...I just want it to be as cool as it should be!
This is crazy because I'm starting another playthrough and I was wondering where his rogue video was literally yesterday 😂😂
It was posted yesterday, but I got my peepee slapped with some copyright stuff.
Hopefully we're good now!
just picked this game up in the steam summer sale and found your channel, this entire series of videos are amazing, I love the way you break things down and explain in a way my smooth brain can understand.
I'm glad you're enjoying them!
Just wanna say, you have a great voice and a great sense of humour. And these class breakdowns are amazing, cheers.
I appreciate it! Hope you get something out of them!
The funny thing about the Deathstroke/Deadpool comparisons is that they're not coincidental- Deadpool was originally created as Marvel's knock-off of Deathstroke to be strawman version of him that Marvel heroes could face. He only became a more interesting character when his writers also ripped off another DC character: Ambush Bug, who was so insane that he became aware of the fact that he was a comic book character and could talk to the audience directly. So, Deathstroke + Ambush Bug = Deadpool; and Marvel don't even try to hide it.
Lol no they sure don't. They're not ashamed a single bit.
As a main rogue in just about any game allowing it since my get go at TT this vod was great.
I love how people (youtubers mainly) ignore what Rogue actually adds because they don't have an extra attack outside thief, which outside attacking is being mostly ignored.
I reckon arcane trickster deserves to be recognized as the better mono-rogue starting level 9 due its feature, especially with mystic scoundrel ring (haste also helps). That, and the sheer insult in giving us either invisibility or disguise self to the other subclasses at level 9. At least it ain't animal handling?
Honestly, the main thing Rogues add (in my opinion...I don't have any facts to back this up) is the Stealth and pickpocketing stuff in this game.
You can spend literal hundreds of hours sneaking around looting and stealing things in this game. Combat is important, but if bg3 had no combat at all, I feel like Rogues would still be about 80% unchanged.
Thank you for the guides Colo, A few weeks ago I finally beat honor mode thanks to your videos. Keep it up 👍🏼
Hey, congrats!
Yoooo finally a rogue class guide
Took me long enough!
@@PanicRollingWorth the wait
Do barb next!
So the disguise self power is a compromise to the tabletop power. It’s one of my favorite ones from rogues even if a lot of people say it’s bad. Basically if an assassin is given a few days they can create an entire new identity with identification for themselves as well as multiple other people. It’s a way to get your party into social situations they wouldn’t have access to, like having the rogue be a noble and the other party members are their retinue.
Nice, still waiting on that barbarian class guide
Starting on it right now! I'm gunna have some fun with this one, too.
@@PanicRolling they are fun with some of the dialogue options you get.
@@PanicRollingThe Bare-Chested Halfling Barbarian as the prophecies foretold?
I heard somewhere that the mage hand counts as an ally and as such will grant you advantage on attack rolls if you keep it close during combat - thus making it easier to be able to use sneak attack. So maybe no so useless after all. I have not tested it myself though so don’t hang me if I’m wrong.
This is a cool use! But imagine if the hand could wear a tophat and a monocle and act as your personal enforcer...
That's interesting. If you can't find familar should work for the same purpose if you are willing to expend the resources.
4:51 LMAO
6:40 I'm sure there were some in the audience who were very disappointed with that decision.
9:38 Boy, I was about to hop through the screen before you said that! I love me some Evasion.
17:24 Based on all of the cake on display during that chapter...that wasn't the answer I was expecting.
31:40 Ba dum tss
Fantastic video, as per usual!
I knew the Evasion thing would make a lot of people look at their screens like "wtf?!" Lol
Been waiting for this one!
Thanks for waiting!
I think you would make a great table top dm.
I appreciate that, but I honestly don't think I would. I'd have to play a few times and see what the DM's are doing first, I think.
@@PanicRolling it’s your cadence of speech, how you orate them words. You are easy to listen to.
Here for the beer.
Thanks Colo, been wanting this one. Been holding off on Astarian Act III knowing this was coming. Astarian from Lvl 1 to Lvl 12 in one shot. LOLz
Make him a dual-wielding Thief or an Assassin, and you're good to go.
I played him as a Thief 12 in my first run and he did just fine!
When it comes to Marvel assassins, long before either companies Wilsons, there were Electra and Black Widow. They're not as gimicky as the guys and no super regeneration either. They got by on pure skill.
I thought about both of them, too! Both are badasses.
If you really want to play an Arcane Tricker archetype character, the best thing to do is take a couple levels of Rogue and then dip into Wizard. The ability to learn from spell scrolls is way better than the broken mage hand. You can then go for the superior abilities of a Thief and get spell slots from another class like Ranger or Bard, who have great abilities but lackluster lists of spells from which to choose when compared to all the wizard spells you can learn from the many scrolls you will find or steal.
You can definitely scratch the class fantasy itch by doing this. It would be very powerful too...especially with permanent access to the very very rare spell scrolls.
It's just disappointing for anyone who played an Arcane Trickster in tabletop and wanted to experience the specifics of the subclass.
Arcane trickster does other stuff than a rouge/wizard. It gets the higher level rouge stuff and magical ambush.
What a fantastic video, can’t believe you don’t have more subscribers
I appreciate that! The channel has actually been growing much faster than I ever imagined, though. You guys are awesome.
My first Tav was a rogue and now I have a hard time playing anything else. They were a good party face, good scout, and of course, a good killer. Multi-classing, I either go 5 gloom stalker/7 rogue (I go back and forth over thief v assassin) or 5 gloom stalker /5 rogue /2 fighter. Give Astarion the same build, pop potions of speed & elixirs of bloodlust, and most fights are done before anyone knows we’re there.
They really do have a lot to offer, especially with how much Stealth and lockpicking/pickpocketing there is in the game. You can get limitless money relatively easily if you're willing to loot everything.
(There are also gold exploits for those that want to use them, but that's each player's choice for themselves)
Every class has its own benefits.
Like when he does the barbarian video he's likely to mention the crazy stuff they can do.
Same, I first played 9 berserker/3 champion and pure 12 champion with crit stacks. Both of my characters are busted af. But then I played pure 12 assassin which instantly forced me to be creative and I surprisingly didn’t long rest as many as my previous characters
Hey, I'll have you know that my Rogue is extremely trustworthy! She just so happens to be dead and composed of the souls of a crew of questionably ethical sailors, plus a few extra, in the body of a teenaged girl.
I dont know if your aware of this, but there is a Rogue subclass that is LITERALLY Psylocke. The Soulknife grants you psychic powers, as well as the ability to generate psychic blades in combat.
Starting with 3 levels of Rouge is great, but it is hard for me to avoid multiclassing into Gloom Stalker Ranger after that.
Lol the Sneak Archer wins again! They can't keep getting away with this!
Rogue is a class that can nicely multiclass with any other class.
Yeh it is a great compliment to pretty much anyone else. Can't go wrong with more Bonus Actions or a better opening attack.
@PanicRolling yep. Rogues and Fighters make the best dip classes to complement any other base class. Including eachothers. A 2 lvl dip in either just for cunning action or action surge!
Great vod as always, happy you're back
The assassin's description ends with "you're too busy getting the job done for honour" - was that patch 5 foreshadowing ?
It definitely wasn't Patch 6 foreshadowing...lol
This was really well done appreciate it
Tyvm, BallsMahoney!
psylocke would be a good representative for Soul Knife Rouge if it gets modded in.
I do like the dual pop culture references.
I'll have to look that up!
@PanicRolling 😮basically its a psychic rouge that creates psychic blades can turn invisible and can mess with an opponents mind to stun them.
Psylocke fits the soul knife better than arcane trickster I think.
I recently found out that your mage hand can drink elixirs, specifically the Elixir of Hill Giant Strength. Makes its throws a lot more significant.
These are the best videoes . I want you to talk about all the barbarians
Hell yeh! I'm pretty stoked about this one lol
I love your humor!
Thanks! I love your hair. Us bald guys gotta stick together!
I really enjoy your videos. Keep them coming. If you could make some multiclass videos that would be cool. Thanks
Tyvm! I'll definitely be making multiclass content when I finish the Barb guide.
Dude your videos are awesome 👌 lol
Thank you! I'm glad you're enjoying them.
The movie was great btw
Yep rouges defintely don't want the fair fight.
As for subclasses.
Thief - in tabletop they are more about being thieves and good at item use. The Fast Hands extra bonus action is the primary reason to pick Thief.
Arcane trickster - your rouge gets arcane tricks. This is the subclass you pick if you want spells.
Assassin - This is the I want to kill that guy subclass. You are trying to get max damage at the beginning of a fight to take out a target.
Some subclasses that could come from mods
Inquisitive - really perceptive and can get sneak attacks easier. (Probably looses alot of value in baldurs gate 3)
Master mind - good at helping allies, social aspects and learning traits of characters (not sure how valuable it would be in baldurs gate 3)
Phantom - uses spirits for skills and sneak attacks. Has alot of utility in that it can pick a skill daily.
Scout - moves quick and is difficult to pin.
Soul knife - uses psychic powers
Swashbuckler - this is a pirate uses charisma and is good at dueling.
Great list! I'll be looking these up for sure.
Great video. Thankyou
Sure thing! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Faceless man GOT
invisible? didn't see that coming
"Never know what hit em"
Oh steven
Mf Steven every single time, I'm telling you...
Who needs 2 attacks when you one shot everything
Theeeere he is!
Still kicking!
@@PanicRolling I'm glad!
Arcane Trickster can't sneak attack with spells that roll an attack roll, which makes the class not so good.
funny and informative 😁
The Deadpool and wolverine movie is good 👍🏿
I still can’t get over the power rangers joke 😂
Hehehe
The rogue class feels neglected. Its missing a lot of things other classes have, like evasion stuff from Ranger that honestly fit more into the fast guy/gal archetype with uncanny reflexes. The subclasses need more work. It's still my favourite class, stealth archer runs deep in me
I tend to agree, especially with how much I also love the Rogue class fantasy. I want the class to be as awesome as it can be.
Pure rogue seems strong in Act 1 and then declines. Much prefer them for multi-classing.
It really is a fantastic multiclass option. One of the best supplements to another class that the game has to offer.
They do, though arcane trickster level 9 is great, and getting that level 11 makes any rogue very hard to deal with.
Pure Rogue* seems strong for levels 1 through 3, but it is hard to justify not going with Gloom Stalker Ranger after that. You really want to get extra attack from Dread Ambusher around the same time that other martials are getting the normal extra attack.
*Meaning Thief or Assassin, as with Mage Hand Legerdemain being broken the Arcane Trickster class sucks. It is much better to multiclass your Rogue into Wizard than to pick that subclass. I like to play as a Thief Rogue/Gloomstalker Ranger with a one level dip into Wizard, as the Gloomstalker abilities are great but Ranger spells mostly suck. It is better to use Ranger spell slots for wizard spells learned from scrolls.
@@magister343
I like to do three levels in fighter for battle master.
@@jfkst1 Battle master is ok but when I go Fighter I tend to use Champion to fish for Critical hits.
My favorite Astarion build was a Thief Rogue/Great Old One Warlock/Champion Fighter/Gloomstalker Ranger whose subclasses, feats, and equipment combined to let him crit on a 14 and cause every enemy near any of his crit targets to become frozen in fear. His boots also get him regain all of his movement speed with every crit and his offhand hand crossbow gave him an extra action every time he got a ranged crit with either of his bonus action. (The crossbow's effect worked by triggering the action surge effect, and so would not stack with a regular action surge or give an extra action for both bonus actions in one turn but I did get an extra action on about 2/3s of my turns.)
bruh, i wanna know what outfits/armor shadowheart had in the beginning and that wood elf at 11:13, if there vanilla or modded or what
They are outfits I made using modded gear. I need to list out what mods I am using so you guys can go check them out also.
Rogue progression stops at lvl3. Lvl 5 if we push it😁
Yeh that's usually where I end up multiclassing also. The first 3 levels can be a big deal though.
I've done full Arcane Trickster. Permanent mage hand is nice. But more of a novelty run than a power run, heh.
@user-wv8yk3xu4h there's defintely benefits if you stick with it.
Kolo as in strong advisor in high daharan?
I'm not sure what that is, lol!
Elektra was robbed as the Assassin Marvel rep ):
She was my first choice, actually. And Lady Shiva for DC. But I feel like any time you have Deadpool as an available option...Deadpool is probably the correct option. Unless Batman is an option also...then probably Batman.
whats the armor seen in video 28:15
peak
Such a sexy voice ❤
Hell yeh, brother! You should hear my Stone Cold E.T. impression.
im sorry, but Deadpool & Wolverine ended up sucking
Nooooo, did you really think so? I enjoyed it!
@@PanicRolling i thought it was gonna bring Deadpool to the MCU, but it felt like it just MCU-ified Deadpool. :/
Ahh yeh I can definitely understand the disappointment then.
I think the MCU needed a "Flashpoint" style event to start things over, tbh. Everything that has come out since Endgame has been severely uninteresting to me, and I'm a fan.
It feels like they thought Endgame paved the way for them to make whatever they wanted, and people would like it just because it had the Marvel logo on it.
dang it .........rogue, bard or ranger *thinks* *does thinking int throw* *rolls 1*
Looks like you're making a RogBaRanger.
@@PanicRolling i just play as "us"
The Mage Hand legerdemain had me so excited at launch. When I found out it was just invis and perma. I got SO sad. My favourite class/subclass ruined! ;_; I wanted to make my beloved Mischief from my DnD campaign. Only to find out they nerfed the shiiiiiiit out of it. What's worse. It's a CANTRIP that's only usuable once per (I think it was short rest) which is absolutely stupid.
That said. Assassin is great for solo. No rest of the party. Pair it with Dark Urge (the cloak) and Shadow Monk. And you can shadowstep to reset after every single kill. Picking them off essentially one by one.
Yeh the whole subclass feels like it's missing its flavor right now. It's still not bad, but I want to see it at its best.
Also yes that Durge cloak is amazing. It enables a bunch of builds that wouldn't normally be possible without it. Durge is the main character, confirmed!
What really bothered me was that the first time I tried Arcane Trickster I was multiclassing my Dark Urge Duergar Paladin, and I did not realize that Withers would refuse to let me respec my character after breaking my oath.
@@magister343 I did not know the refusal after oathbreaking either.
@@mariaveenema4337It might be ok for Withers to refuse to respec you while waiting for you to talk with the Oathbreaker Knight, but I really hate that he won't respec you ever again if you tell the Knight that you would rather use the dark powers of an Oathbreaker than pay him to take up your oath again. What is even worse is that the script engine command won't work for respecing an oathbreaker either.
I also think it is ridiculous that taking up an oath again cost a minimum of 10 times as much as having Withers resurrect a lost soul as a Hireling and 5x as much as having him resurrect a party member. If it were up to me I'd make restoring the oath a bit cheaper, respecs a bit more expensive, and resurrections a lot more expensive.
I've never played tabletop, but I believe the material cost of a resurrection spell is something like 10,000 gold worth of
diamonds crushed into a fine powder, not a mere 200 gold.
On a tangentially related note, the camp supply cost of a long rest is also way too low. I think it should scale based on how many characters are in your camp (including not only active party members but even visitors like Volo, Wulbren, Halsin, Elminster, Isobel, Dame Aylin, and the little girl with a cat), not remain a flat 40 or 80 (depending on difficulty level) camp supplies amount no matter how many mouths you have to feed. In my current game I had about 3800 extra camp supplies by the time I made it to the Githyanki Creche. There is no point in even having a camp supply mechanic if food is going to that much more abundant that we need.