Baldur's Gate 3 - Early Access Wyll
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
- Just a compilation of all the footage I have for Wyll from the Early Access version of Baldur's Gate 3. Unfortunately, I didn't get everything, but this is what I have. There are many things similar to the full released game, so spoilers! Timestamps below.
00:00 Introducing Wyll
00:14 Meeting Wyll
08:17 Arabella
08:40 Sickened by the Parasite
09:10 Raphael
10:35 Flaming Fist
13:41 Goblins
20:28 Mizora
25:10 Romance
I find this version of Wyll more interesting, maybe if they went with his old storyline I wouldn’t have left him at camp so much. I really like how this version of Wyll asks to kill the goblin leaders in the temple to protect the kids in the grove. ❤ Thank you for sharing this, finding any Early Access content for BG3 is much harder than I would like it to be, they cut some amazing story content I can only hope they patch some of it back in, but seeing alternative content like this makes my day even if I don’t get to enjoy it in-game.
Agreed 100000%!!!! Wyll deserves this level of depth
It seems like if the original scriptwriter was replaced by significantly less talented one.
He is easier to relate to as a hero, rather than being angry and full of vengeful spite. Its interesting, but with all the other companions flaws, him being a spiteful sod would be a bit too much.
@@dorianleakey which version of Wyll do you prefer? Sorry, but the way you phrased your comment I can't tell if you mean his early access or full-release version.
I didn't realize he stopped but you're right.
I like this Wyll so much more. He's got that slightly chaotic charismatic vibe to him that I'd expect a warlock to have. I feel like they went way too safe with the current Wyll, he rarely has any sass, which feels much needed.
5:47 This is the struggle Wyll in the final game is missing. Growing devil horns, being disowned by the duke, and being self-sacrificial all become more meaningful and tragic when you realize Wyll lives and dies by his reputation.
His background of a folk hero suddenly becomes a crutch he relies on in place of actual confidence. His mistrust of Astarion becomes a symptom of how he views the world in terms of heroes and villains.
We all know the Wyll we got is lackluster. He is an inherently good character, but this version of Wyll sees him grapple with what being good means. That struggle and that growth is what makes the other companions so impactful.
To be fair, full release Wyll is not just missing said struggle.
They took away this dilemma, the fact that he, by all means, is kind of a fraud, his fun personality of making up dumb proverbs, his anger complex, the potential story arc of having him become a true hero (or fall from grace) and gave him horns instead.
And in the process, turned Mizora from an inexperienced, somewhat incompetent Devil who only got to where she is because of her father, into just another scheming devil that always keeps up their pokerface. Like we don't already have Raphael for that.
I love the game, I really do, but that they went back on their ideas for Wyll because the community found him to be boring, only to make him and related characters far more boring is something I'll never get over. Went from my number 2 favorite companion to "You get a permanent seat in camp"
@@BlueDragonKnight77Mizora was a nep baby too? Dang they should've kept that in as it would make more sense why her scheme to get Wyll to make a pact was so half baked and only fooled a teenager.
@@Kennisaurus I really liked how she got kidnapped right out of her pod, since she was on the Nautiloid together with Wyll, and continuously called Wyll through his sending stone and telling him to hurry the f*ck up and save her already only to get kidnapped by Gobins and brought to Moonrise where, lo and behold, we still find her in full release.
@@BlueDragonKnight77 Then blame those parts of the player community for the rewrite, who I assume didn't want a black character to be a fraudster who as a thieving teen made a deal with a devil to get quick powers and potentially slept with Mizora. They wanted a heroic _hero,_ in a party filled with a Bhaalspawn (as the canonical player character), a Shar cleric, a vampire spawn rogue, an explosive wizard who lusts for forbidden power, a xenophobic space alien with a huge sword, and either a drow paladin of Lolth or a furry druid who hates goblins and drow. (As Karlach was given full Companion status only late in EA.)
@@TF2CrunchyFrog Afaik Larian was going to add two more good companions but scrapped them in favor for what we got, with Wyll and Gale falling more toward neutral. There were a lot of complaints on why all the companions were evil. I think they should've had implemented the good companions earlierer as well but instead they removed Wyll's teeth and imo some of Gale as well to make them both fit the good mold better
The romance scene with wyll was so meaningful. It shows he has past trauma of being used in relationships where the power dynamic was literally binding hin with his abuser. The notes that hint him and mizora had a thing make even more sense when you think about how she must control him and keep him thinking he is happy with this pact.
Truly I think this old storyline of his is amazing and that’s saying something as I have not had one urge to get to wyll in his new version
I think they didn’t know where to go with it so they scrapped it. I also think it was too close to Astarion’s backstory or trauma. As the Es patches progressed Wyll was starting to be more manipulative specifically of a barbarian Tav. Again too close to Astarion and Gale
When I was meeting Mizora and I told her not to lay a finger on him. She said the ship has already sailed... I like paled..and started thinking that did she have sex with him. Poor Wyll
trauma trauma trauma trauma trauma
shut up. I swear that's all your vocabulary boils down to
@@greyngreyer5 We can say what we want.
@@greyngreyer5who hurt you?!
I like the new voice actor but I do miss this one. He sounded smoother.
Thank you for preserving EA Wyll since he changed the most in release
It's interesting because old Wyll seems to have Theo's natural accent where new Wyll is using a different accent in Theo's skillset
Is it a different voice actor?
"There's an old saying I just made up..." Hahaha I love this Wyll.
He was so much more interesting back then. He still had a good heart, but he struggled a lot more between balancing his devilish nature and becoming a hero. It made more sense, because he was so young when he made the devil pact.
I think I prefer this Wyll - he has so many more layers to his character here. In the game now, he seems- flat. All he is is the Blade of Frontier, a hero. Here, he seems like a true person, and not just a legend
The thing is, in this early EA version (the late EA phase I played already had him rewritten) we as player and as character learn about Mizora and Wyll being a warlock right away the first time we talk to him. It's like tipping your narrative hand too early, and I can see why some players would go, "Nah, aren't warlocks evil? I'll leave him in the Grove."
Imagine if Gale had blabbed everything about the Netherese orb and his munchies for magic items right away right after we pull him from the portal?
It's similar to the very early brainstorming ideas Larian had for meeting Astarion at the beach, where (as a Larian writer revealed during a convention panel) Astarion would still have been stuck in a Nautiloid pod, refusing to come out because of his fear of the sun, and the player would have had to persuade him to even exit the pod... which would have been a blatant clue that Astarion is a vampire, resulting in many players either staking him outright or alternatively (if they thought he was a useless cowardly whiny elf noble instead of a useful rogue) just leaving him in the pod and walking away unless they were playing the most kind-hearted goody-two-shoes or metagaming "Hey I know this pale elf guy is an Origin Companion, and he has a tadpole too, I guess we should take him with us."
And we basically would have had a group full of morally iffy Companions in EA:
Shar worshipper Shadowheart (Shar worship _should_ be a huge deal for every Faerunian character who isn't evil!!).
Vampire spawn Astarion who is being hunted by a vampire lord and is also a stab-happy rogue.
Explosive cursed wizard Gale who pissed off a Greater Deity.
Githyanki warrior Lae'zel whose culture is xenophobic, ruthless, and evil by AD&D alignment standards.
Wyll, a warlock linked to an infernal cambion, who is pretending to be a folk hero.
And Karlach, a burning tiefling with... no wait, Karlach wasn't even planned as a companion in EA.
And potentially Minthara the evil drow paladin of Lolth (who isn't even an Origin companion) if you went the evil route in EA Act 1.
The only one _not_ iffy would've been Halsin, as the flipside of Minthara, but even he is neutral in alignment.
That said, some of those Wyll dialogues could easily have been left in the rewritten version, like the idea of killing the goblin camp leaders coming from Wyll.
@TF2CrunchyFrog thanks for the extensive reply! I loved reading through it.
I do agree that, narratively, the bond with Mizora was revealed a little too early in this case. And I actually enjoy that Wyll's alignment is truly good in the game we have now, because we already have a lot of characters falling on the chaotic scale, like Astarion (as longs as he's unascended). But, as you said, a lot of the dialogue could've been rewritten to fit Wyll's new storyline without taking away from him being a good aligned character. Like that in youth, he had "sticky fingers" as he said in the video, but learned his lesson. Or his tendency for revenge on the goblins, as in the current game state, he hates and disregards them anyway, so it wouldn't have changed much of his character.
I love release Wyll so much but after watching this I feel like i'm just gonna grieve the person he could've been. Just these 30 minutes in act1 feels like so much more content than what Wyll now has in the whole game. I really wish that Larian would combine this Wyll and the Wyll we got instead of scrapping all of this for the Wyll we got. He really could've been one of the most interesting companions.
This is exactly what I wish we got as I think the two versions work better when combined.
I think his struggle with being seen in a good light and controlling the narrative would have been a lot more impactful as the son of the Grand Duke of Baldur's Gate that has been exiled because he saved the city but took a pact with a devil to do it and was forbidden from ever telling his father about him saving the city, so now he is super selff conscious about how he's perceived as he wants his father's approval back.
I really like Wyll regardless, I'm just sad that he essentially got the short end of the stick on many regards
That explains why Wyll has feather fall on him at the start of the grove fight
lol
I remember one time as he was taunting the goblins he jumped and fell prone, cutting off his dialogue. Honestly wish they kept it as a possibility.
I prefer Theo Soloman as a VA but darn do I like this version of Wyll! I think the more vengeful/egotistical aspects of him work especially well. i think there could have been a good balance. the princely appearance and romance but still kept a more egotistical side to him with a strong sense of pride.
my british friend said early access wyll was more "from the ends" and yeah he's right
I feel like he has more personality in early access. He sounds more natural. I like the new voice actor too but his lines just sound like a caricature of Prince Charming or something.
I love this Wyll so much!! hes so much more charismatic and interesting, how is it that he's more fleshed out in early access than in the final release?????
Funny how in every single word there is something I can point to and say "I like this better than what we got". Early Access was a blessing and a curse. Jeez
The new Wyll is a goody two shoes and because of that he is not believable. This Wyll gets angry, has dark desires and
had more character and ego - something the legendary Blade of Frontiers would have. I feel bad for the actor and the character.
I'm sorry but I've grown so used to sweet, soft spoken Wyll that this one causes me a visceral rejection 😭 Theo Solomon did a wonderful job with release Wyll
Got to say I find this Wyll much more entertaining especially as at least one of my Tavs - the Bard obviously - was essentially a scam that turned out to be pretty decent at the Hero stuff but was terrified that his party would find out.
I like how you used guidance for a DC 0 roll.
17:17 Yeeeeeees!! The "I'm coming as fast as I can." line !
Damn, I much more prefer this Wyll over final version Wyll! I found him a bit lame so he never left my camp. Kinda wish we had this one instead
Meanwhile, in the background, Shadowheart and Astarion are merging.
I do not dislike the full realease version of Wyll, but having played early access I can't help but to wonder what could have been if they hadn't rewritten him. Especially since I feel like new Wyll is the least cooked companion we have with loose ends connecting him to his previous story in mind. The sending stone for an eye? It had purpose here, he was using it to contact Mizora. In the full realese we can ask Wyll about it, there even is the check for arcane Tavs to realise what it is. But thats the end of this story. I did a full origin Wyll playthrough in hope to get some special scenes with Mizora, thinking maybe thats when the sending stone comes to play. But no. Aside from ONE extra scene with Mizora during the first long rest, I felt I was playing a regular Tav who happend to be the son of the kidnapped duke. Rumor has it, Larian changed Wyll due to his unpopularity in early access, but I really don't understand why he had gotten the short end of the stick. EVERY companion was ruder, colder and bigger asshole in early access, they really toned them down. The only good thing that came out of this change is that we got Karlach as a fully fledged companion. But then again, Karlach has waaaay more unique interactions as an origin character playthrough then Wyll as a companion.
Black characters often get judged MUCH harsher for morally ambiguous decisions. I recon he got changed because of that. And in turn it prevented him from becoming a real fleshed out companion
@@saal0yep, it’s a damned if they do, damned if they don’t situation 💀
@@saal0This is the reason I no longer even play video games. There always seems to be nonsense regarding black characters. Now I just roleplay outside of videogames. I loved Early Access. But when I played the full game, I felt a type of dissatisfaction that I cannot really explain.
There was a lot of hype having to do with Mizora and Wyll, in an almost romantic sense. The common choice many folk make to do a romantic pairing with Wyll and Karlach is kinda subpar, because they are both goody-goodies.
A romance with of Wyll and Mizora is a lot more interesting in contrast, due to their differences.
Wyll with horns and Karlach with horns makes them even more alike, such that their similarities in personalities and even appearances(when he gets horns) make a boring relationship.
I felt BG3 could have been more than it was. I won it once and have not felt much of a desire to play through it again.
@@saal0 They were still making content additions over the time in updates so they could've added more yet chose to add... kissing animations.
I've seen videos where even basic dialogue reactivity that all the other origin characters have is missing for Wyll. They just dropped everything and it especially shows in his new ending.
oh this was AMAZING to see, i've never seen these cutscenes before and this wyll is so different :0
I heard EA Wyll was superior in every way. We were robbed! He's funny! And interesting! And complex! Curse the fans who killed this version of Wyll.
I like the Wyll we got in the game but man, I can't help but think Larian should have stuck to their guns and smoothed out the problems with his original pitch rather than pivoting in the final year of release to appease vocal fans and make him a more clean-cut hero.
It might at least have helped the problems with Wyll feeling chronically under-developed.
I don't understand why they changed Wyll so much...? He was a far more interesting character in EA. We got more character development with him in this 30-minute video than we ever did over the course of the entire game. Obviously that's only my opinion, but... idk... it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me - especially considering the emotional depths that some of the other characters showcase (even a few NPCs are better written than final release Wyll!)
I like his VA here as well, though I must say I love Theo and I can't see Wyll being voiced by anyone else but him now lol.
So, why was Wyll _specifically_ singled out for this massive change? Can anybody tell me...? Because I would really love to know.
Also, thank you so much to OP for preserving this! 😊
OG Wyll was a hell of a lot more interesting not only considering his connection with Mizora but also him possibly having to dance the line of hero and villan to save her
Ee's a lahndan geezer, innit.
Thanks for sharing! Commenting late since I was hoping his character would be expanded on in the last seven patches, but nothing beyond wrap up stuff... This Jon Snow / realistic thrust into action version of him is so much better than the pc version. They just made him more like Gale in retrospect. Even the goblin interaction is a 180 since it adds to his backstory and could've taught you the value of toggling on non lethal (something i learned late). RIP multi dimensional character/story Wyll 😢
BRING THIS WYLL BACK LARIAN!! Makes me so mad they changed him so much
Him and Karlach.
Modders, give us this man back
I would but I can't find a copy of EA I regret not backing up my version of the game so damn much.
@@SenaFoxGirl i think someone could just record voicelines from this video and still make it somehow work, but it would require a lot of programing and work
@@lakisoo what about act 2/3? It is not something modders can fix.
@@SenaFoxGirl Well maybe the voice lines and animations are still in the game files somewhere, just not used.
I love release Wyll and the performance that Theo gave, that being said I like a lot of what I'm seeing here. This ties wylls story with mizora and the goblins right from the start. Yeah he has more flaws but if early access players had gotten to see Wylls character development and conclusion maybe theyd have liked him more. We definitely missed out on a deeper Wyll who could still have developed into the righteous character I love
I wonder how the voice actor for EA Wyll felt about being cut.
sucks because he is significantly better then the guy we got, I have no idea why people didn't like him
This version of Wyll shares a similar accent to Theo's (release Wyll) normal speaking voice but they had him go more posh.
I think the new VA did a much better job
Damn, I really like THIS Wyll 😯👍Theo did splendid job, but i do prefer this voice 👉👈 Many thanks for uploading this video! 😃👍
Wyll out here with a roadman voice 😂
As much as I wish that Wyll had more content and character development, I'm not sure how long I'd be able to stand this version of Wyll, besides, someone in this group has to be the moral compass, no?
Remember what they took from us
But then again ppl hated laezel too but they didn't really change her character so it makes me wonder if they just didn't like wyll
13:00 a different time. a different wyll
“An old legend I just made up” 😂
I miss him :((
I used to find EA Wyll annoying, mostly because of his obsession with the goblins. But, man. Release Wyll just feels flat in comparison.
Well, they were right to change it, but maybe too much? I feel like Mizora makes more sense being captured seperately, chasing her down to free her would make her seem relateable.
@dorianleakey Nah, I completely agree.
I feel like the reason they might have cut this is because in some ways he's far too similar to Astarion. They're definitely different but there's something about this version of Wyll that makes him seem like a dialed back version of Astarion.
And then he became a male version of Karlach... I'd rather have kept this Wyll
@@16Vagabond I'll be honest I don't really see that. They're both good characters but their mannerisms and the way they react to situations is completely different. I see what you mean though and I would say I'd rather have this one as well. I understand they did the change but I think vanilla hero wasn't the best choice.
2:00 I didn't know Shadowheart and Astarion were so into each other in Early Access lol
1:00 so his power was to make children appear out of thin air? thats op since we know children are unkillable
god i wish theyd kept this. i wanted to see him grow. instead release wyll got barely any content :/ it was disappointing.
I hope for a mod that mixes EA Wyll and Live Wyll. This I would love.
I like my boy being cocky ngl
Why he was replaced with the one we got? It's like a completely different character, what happened?
what the hell, this story is SO MUCH better than what we ended up getting, Why did they change it?
Yikes, Wyll’s early access voice was ROUGH. The man is the son of a Duke, he shouldn’t sound like a damn hoodlum.
15:35 That's the hottest Wyll has ever been to me. He has no edge in the final release.
Larian changed it because people hated wyll a lot and they couldn't have wyll be hated. So, they made him more likable and predictable. I actually hate this wyll but assumed he had some moments that I would've warmed up too. Plus this means mizora's scenes got cut out too, sigh, why larian why
Who the hell hated wyll??? He's so,freaking charismatic
@@fay4967 I mean I hated him. He kept preaching to be a hero but he was so fake with it, plus his bloodlust with the goblins contradicted everything he was. However, most characters like that have the best growth so either he really didn't fit with the story progression or it just ended in act 1 since we barely see any goblins after that
Whhhhat? They ruined him. So disappointing bc be's prob the hottest dude visually. At least, out of the ones you can date.
Wyll takes a lot to warm up to because he seems so lack luster compared to the rest despite having the biggest tie ins to the story. I think EA Wyll was a lot, and I can see how some of the problems of why fans maybe didn't like him was due to him having so many ties to the main plot and inserting himself almost as the leader of the group. He's overly cocky but preaches about being a hero, which again I can see how that would rub people the wrong way. I think I would have liked a more roughed out Wyll in final, one who is DESPERATE to be a hero but can't seem to make the right choices because his pact is acting like a double edged sword. Live Wyll is like.....he's there. Larian should have blended EA and Live Wyll into a more balanced character
I like this but I honestly don't like him more than the final one. We're only judging the new Wyll based on content that is entirely incomplete and that Larian has not tried to rectify at all. There's no guarantee, given how poorly they've handled full-release Wyll - even down to not recording basic dialogue for him or fixing bugs and cutting a major arc planned before all this - that EA Wyll would've been better. They'd treat him exactly the same as the current one. What we honestly see are two different albeit similar in some ways sketches of the same character they clearly did not value enough. Shame on them.
Seeing that astarion disapproval reminded me of why I gave him to the Gur
Man’s so pissy lol (still love him)
@@josephjoestar8063I no longer cared once I got my +2 strength potion
My boy didn't deserve this😂
@@fay4967 don’t worry, I ended up romancing him on a durge run I found that scene so endearing…
When I sacrificed him for the slayer form. His corpse was so adorable! Plus I practically got it without having to pay such a heavy price too. Could never let isobel die and doom last light.
@@nathanieljefferies5491 wtf 😂💀
Did he have Mizora in Early access? I can't remember.
Well given he mentions her several times here, I assume yes.
So he used to be cocky
So, this Wyll is not very nice, quite spiteful