Honda Grom, Navi, Ruckus, Himiway Zebra, Magicycle Cruiser Pro - Best City Commuter
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Commuted 8 years on an e-bike and yes, it cheaper than anything else. However, timed my ride for off peak traffic, took as many neighborhood / back roads as possible, constantly watching the weather and was close to a bus line if needed, never felt total safe especially at dawn and dusk (had all kinds of lights and reflectors), did have a secure employee garage but others had bikes stolen or damaged, did take the battery into work to charge and for security, kept a change of cloths and rain gear at work, and had access to an employee gym for a shower. The big insight was I looked for to the morning ride but after work I just wanted to get home but I had an 11 mile ride in front of me. Now I take the bus where everyone keeps to themselves and listens to their music because we are a divided scared anti-social USA. Big mistake, I was really meant to be born in Amsterdam.
Yeah, I miss riding my bike to work. I took some attractive roads and trails home and it was great for mental health.
That last part....so freaking true my friend. cheers
I think the sweet spot for a city motorcycle is the 125cc range. The manufacturers keep them out of our market (Canada) because they would severely eat into the larger motorcycle market. The Honda click 125 is massively popular in SE Asia and the Yamaha Lexi is also a massively functional ride. This size can go anywhere efficiently and quickly. Pity they are not available in North America.
Yeah, our choice of 125s is definitely thin.
Being a cager, rider and cyclist, I'm absolutely in the e-bike camp for city commuting. But I don't really like the massive, 80lb moped sized bikes. 350w motors, 36v, and enough range for your commute are all you need - my 350w Ride1up V2 roadster has about 15-20 miles of range and works perfectly for my needs
The reason I like an ebike that only weighs 40lbs or less is that you can pick it up and move it. I can carry my bike down the stairs to my subway stop, it's easy to haul up and down flights of stairs around the ferry without needing to wait for an elevator, it just flows with other forms of transit that I take (two ferries and a train each way) much better. It also handles more like a bicycle, the fat bike tires make steering heavy and numb.
It also just encourages me to go ride. This year I straight up forgot/lacked the motivation to de-winterize my motorcycles. I live within a 5 minute ride of all the things I need, so I just hop on the bike and go, and the electric motor makes it so I'm not sweaty when I get there (there are some serious hills out here)
If I had to commute more than 10 miles each way though, I'd probably go for a super cub or old vespa.
One thing I've noticed though is that my commute switching to e-bike, we went from 2 cars + a truck to basically struggling to justify more than 1 car. It's helped us downsize.
I love this topic! That said, I already have a 22’ Grom SP and a 22’ Navi in my garage
Nice! The Navi makes a great commuter and the Grom for the weekends.
I went from a pcx 150 to a ktm duke 390 and I'm very happy with both. The ktm allows me a commute on the highway and is still narrow enough for the city, fun on the weekend in the canyons and even some longer rides out of the city.
The more I watch your review, I would go for the E-Bike. Cheers Dave
I would totally choose the E-Bike for city commuting! It is nice to have the exercise too. Great video. :)
Not a Grom?
Folks, hope you do not mind me interrupting here, I wanted to make sure you got my message...
I really Like how you are including eBikes in your comparisons with mini-Moto's 🙂
Thanks Angel. Yep, they’re pretty practical and almost zero maintenance.
Folks, I think it was smart to included eBikes in your reviews. Please do even more models of eBikes. Us viewers know you very knowledgeable & experienced in Bicycle World and now you're bridging the gap between your two passions. In Fact, I think you should make an Increadable video about how we start out as young children Riding Toy we sit on and push and how that leads us to Motorcycling. With the BICYCLE being the World BEST transportation Tool.
Love Brookes "so long sucker wave" ha ha.
I have 130 miles on my Honda ADV 150. It's like a Ruckus on steroids and it gets 134 MPG according to the EPA. More like 100 MPG for me.
That's the best scooter in the world. Have fun!
Fantastic video 👍👍👍
Thank you!
I have a 2019 ruckus and its great overall i can get mine a little over 40 mph on straights but wind and large hills definitely bog it down but it handles 35 mph roads surprisingly well but other than being a bit slow its a cheap, efficient, fun vehicle also great plus at least where i live is you dont need a motorcycle license to ride one and being a Honda it should last a long time
Great video thanks so much for sharing. Being a pensioner makes it hard to afford bikes but saying that if I could afford them having a small bike in my garage would be a must. I’ve been riding more than 50 years and frequently ride my bicycle sometimes up to 40 or 50km obviously unassisted and looking at a lot of the rockets today they miss one important factor and that is simple fun which is something I look at more than anything else. An E-bike would be a great thing but quality ones here in Australia cost about $6000AUD and up and something like a monkey would be great to but sadly we’ve lost them thanks to our new Australian road safety regulations which banned new bikes like the Monkey bike and CT125 because of new ABS requirements which is a shame as I owned a Monkey back in the very early seventies. Anyway great job I really enjoy your content. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Now I ride a CRF 250L rally & that thing is pretty damn good, NOT good on the highway obviously but anything within the city around 65 mph or less she does really good. Plus the rally has those really good dakar looks & the LED headlight & high beam set it apart + the extra plastics dress it up just a good looking dirt bike for the street imo 😂
Yep, we have the 300 and love it. For something close to the Monkey's price I'd get the Kawasaki KLX230. Pretty much do it all bike and could even jump on the highway for a couple of exits.
@@DifferentSpokesTV hell yeah, that 300 CRF is nice. I was going to get the 300 rally but the dealer pulled some weird shit & it was about $2,000 more than my 250 rally & mine only had 170 mi when I bought it!👍 Kawasaki makes great bikes my buddy has the KLX 250 dual sport against my CRF250L rally we are were battling non-stop both of our bikes are 2018 fuel injected one is just Kawasaki the other is Honda when our bikes were 🦴 stock it was literally a tie & we probably did 💯 different races! Now my bike has the slip on exhaust and a tune from 550 performance. If you want your 300 to run better in every scenario for a very reasonable price ✅ out that tune company you just have to put 91 octane but my God it's worth it! The guy makes tunes for bikes 250-300cc CRF that are lightly modified, 🦴 stock or even custom I'm sure + he's a very nice guy. At least look into it "550 performance" ✅ out "motorcycles off road" on RUclips he did a video about 550 performance that's how I found out about it. It only takes less than 10 minutes to change out the ECU & no downtime.
As a Honda simp I refuse to ever touch the Rally
Those asymmetric lighting look like absolute shite.
@@victoriazero8869 I love the asymmetric lights. Give the bike such a cute quizzical expression.
@@victoriazero8869 you're a goofball... You can tell by the way you talk in your message. But it's okay God loves you too.. but I won't lie I don't 😂
So which e-bike is better ??
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I'm honestly never too comfortable with CVT, I prefer semi-auto like Super Cub. Hate clutch but changing gears are nice.
Yeah, the CVT is a bit weak sauce.
Maybe in some parts of Europe where they are more aware of bikes in their culture for the tiny 50cc-150cc bikes for commuting, but you will have a good chance of dying riding these in Toronto, Ottawa or Montreal. Great mileage, but short life, lol. You need something very agile, dual sports like a Kawasaki KLX300 or Honda CRF300 at a minimum, with decent enough low end torque pulling away from the numerous stops/traffic lights on your commute, but moreover the nice long suspension travel for the crap Cdn city roads - my best choice for a commuter? Suzuki DR650 - bulletproof and gobs of torque & great cushy suspension. Thanks for the video.
Yeah, all good choices. For a less expensive option there's the KLX230 as well.
Would love A Grom
On pavement it's the best of the bunch. Loads of fun.
You left out the Honda ADV150...it's a lot of fun and a good commuter. I got my ExW's upto 65 with my fat ass on it...I'd not use it on a freeway, but I would take it on any surface road anywhere.
Yes, that's a bit pricier than the bikes I included but can keep up on the highway and go off-road as well.
If I ride between traffic to the front of the line, then I'll be between cars at the traffic light. In that position I would feel much safer if I can out-accelerate the cars next to me when the light hits green.
A good city bike doesn't need a fast 0 - 60 mph acceleration, but a fast 0 - 30 mph acceleration is very useful for traffic safety. A Ninja 400 is more than fast enough, but in traffic, I wouldn't feel safe on a bike that is a lot slower than that.
Sometimes gaps between cars are quite narrow, so you definitely want a narrow bike, no wide handlebars or side cases!
Yes, a small naked bike is a good choice as well. Dual sports also make great city commuters.
Sorry, but my choice would be a 150cc Grom clone like the RPS 150 Condor, the Lifan X Pro 150 or my favorite, the Kymco Spade 150. They will run 45 to 50 mph with a lot left over. I do ride a Versys X 300 ADV ABS, and have an MC endorsement on my license.
The Versys X is nimble enough to make a commuter on it's own.
@@DifferentSpokesTV While I agree 100%, those little motorcycles are just so much fun. I the 70s I had a 73 Yamaha GT 80, along with many people in the Mobile home park on Keystone Lake west of Tulsa and we rode everywhere around the lake. Then they built a Highway and the rich people moved out there and ruined everything. Also CFMoto builds a Papio with 126cc and a 6 speed. CFMoto works with KTM a lot.
It would have to be the trail 125
Minimum 251cc 2 cyliner engine motorcycle to ride on a highway in BC.
I did not know that. So a 249cc WR250R can't play? Crazy.
@@DifferentSpokesTV technically, no. And many cities are connected by highways even within Metro Vancouver. So 251cc engine or bigger is mandatory.
How tall are you?
I'm 5'11 and my wife is 5'6. All of these bikes are well within the normal person't height but if you're very tall you're better off on a dual sport like a Kawasaki KLX230 which is a bit pricier but a lot more motorcycle.
@@DifferentSpokesTV thank you
How many people opened up their driver's door on you while you were slipping between traffic and parked cars? hahaha
Never got footed but you have to keep an eye on the car to see if anyone is in there.
In europe electric kick scooters are winning. Cheaper than ebikes and motorcycles. Still quicker than public transport and old bikes. You can ride them on pavement, roads and bike roads.
Yes, Honda just introduced a new e-scoot at Eicma.
@@DifferentSpokesTV im not speaking about scooters im taking about scooters like Segway Ninebot Scooter
Zuma🛵💨 125 will out handle the Grom 🏍️💨 any day!! & the 🛵💨 takes off faster from the start the Grom is a little bit faster on the top end maybe 3 mph... Trust me we've raced numerous times!
I would take the Navi if it was sold in the UK, especially if it was priced anything like it is in the USA.
Sadly I can see an ebike in my future as UK politicians are determined to ban new ICE's from 2030.
Yeah, the Navi has drum brakes and no ABS so they're not going your way. It'd be nice if governments just let the market decide.
The ridiculous dealer fees add a lot of cost to the gas bikes as well.
Yeas, the S in MSRP stands for Suggested but dealers don't listen to suggestions very well.
@@DifferentSpokesTV Hence, the reputation for the name "stealerships."
I recommend a Yamaha Zuma 125 for something cheap I've had one for well over 10 years close to 10,000 miles never even put synthetic oil & it's still running... Perfect actually, conventional 🛢️ 😂 I do take good care of it but I beat the shit out of it, it's air-cooled I ran it hard as fuck in Phoenix in the summertime & she's still going strong lol 🛵💨
The key work is Yamaha. You'll pass it down to your grandkids.