Mods may not be for everyone but in regards to crisis i can recommend "Gigastructural engineering" They have 2Potential midgame crisis (3, but one is beeing reworked) and one "Post endgame" crisis. All of thise get special mechanics and events, some can even be stopped before they begin(but you will Miss Special bony)
@@custodianguard6816 if I’m correct it’s where the dev team does an overhaul of a feature in the game and usually comes as a smaller update with a smaller DLC
I believe the hunters are the owners of the galactic sentry array and creator of the Contingency, and set up beacons to call for the unbiden when the contingency system fails in eradicating threats to their existence. Also in regards to the prethoryn scourge, they just could have been inhabiting their birth galaxy with species that used the jumpdrive and triggered the beacons, and where lucky enough to escape and are now just on the run from the hunters.
The creators of the Contigency killed themselves according to the Contigency AI. You can learn about it, if you are a materialist empire and inquire about the contigency's creators. Whatever that empire discovered, it must have been hyper advanced(galactic spanning, possibly intergalactic) and their fear of the class 30 singularity(whatever that may be) panicked them so much that they seeded at least one galaxy with an ai strong enough to purge all life and offed themselves, because they were approaching that point.
My head canon is that the contingency was created to stop a player crisis If the other crises’ win life will survive in some way or another If the player crisis wins and fires the aetherophasic engine the only thing that survives is the player crisis’ species in the merged shroud/reality thing
@@agamemnonofmycenae5258 Of course, we're trusting the Contingency AI is a reliable narrator... "Yeah, they killed themselves, yup, totally, we were definitely in a different galaxy when that happened..."
10:09 The Hunters seems to operate by "extinguishing" stars (the whole galaxy disapeering), this is more akin to a Crisis Empire than the Unbbiden. One other fact is that the Scourge we fight are mere remanants of fugitives feeling from those Hunters, and they are still on par in terms of firepower with the Unbbiden, so a full power Scoruge wouldn't be so terrfied by the Unbbidens. My best guess is that those "Hunters" were a successfull Crisis Empire that blow out every stars in their galaxy, forcing the Prethoryns to flee
The scourge say they have been running from the hunters for eons. If the unbidden are the hunters, the scourge would have learnt to stop using jump drives ages ago to be able to flee and hide better
Now my head canon is that the scourge initially attracted the unbidden with jump drives. They realized their folly too late and their entire galaxy was consumed by an unbidden faction. Thereafter they escaped to other galaxies and don't use jump drives so as to not get overwhelmed by the unbidden which such technology attracts.
that sounds suspiciously like a succession war between hiveminds to me. the eternal throne being the only way to truly achieve control over all the hives again
It's chilling how their Audio Cue is just wind. For the Scourge there's chewing, for the Contingency there's the mainframe sound. But Unbidden it's just wind. They will leave nothing, everything will be dead.
I wonder if the Unbidden are actually made up of a Crisis Empire that “ascended” from a previous cycle. I know that the Crisis Empire ends up blowing up their entire galaxy, so maybe they come from another galaxy, I wouldn’t imagine being in a higher realm of existence prevents them from getting to the galaxy you play in. After all, I think using warp drives are suppose to attract the Unbidden right? Acting like a beacon for them to go to across the universe maybe. I don’t know if you’re trying to ascend to the Shroud or some other higher realm when being the Crisis, but since the Unbidden are “close” to the Shroud, maybe they ascended to that new realm or somehow traveled there after getting into the Shroud? The Unbidden are also ravenously hungry for life energy, similar to the Crisis Empire’s desire to wipe out every sentient thing around it. Maybe the ascended have become even more apathetic than their past forms, now being able to sustain themselves off their victims?
I honestly think they should be the hardest End Crisis of all End Crisis(unless they finally bring eldritch horrors) and have 3 different starts 1 or 2 or 3 of them will appear as odds
@@TheRedKing The worm loves us so let us help it eat the galaxy (Though I suppose that's unlikely to happen as it has been a while since I last saw the worm and what's the point of joining the worm if it doesn't love you)
it would be a lot of fun if psionic empires could accidentally give the new shroud gods the ability to "breach" into the galaxy. Then have four systems that suddenly get overtaken by the shroud, forcing all four to be overtaken and the breaches sealed to cast them out.
@@Unanimoustoo that is the great rift from warhammer 40k and the shroud gods are a reference to the chaos gods from both warhammers, but it is original 4 eyes of terror sounds too much for stellaris.
i think unbidden are the strongest contingency are too spread out, can be beaten with "normal" ship designs, also their main threat in form of the ghost signal can be ignored by biological and psionic empires scourge meanwhile lacks the means of replenishing their forces, also they are countered by their own weapons so if you win a single battle and collect the loot you can push back against them even easier unbidden meanwhile start a big invasion in a single system and if they aren't immediately contained they will put their anchors down and prevent the rift from being closed allowing them to keep getting reinforcements also their weapon is useless against them
It's worth mentioning that these are a reference to the Firstborn from A Space Odyssey by Arthur C Clarke. Almost everything in Stellaris is a reference to something, so this is very likely. This also implies that they may have seeded life, or at least advanced it, long ago to bring the difference species to the present level. It would also explain why most of the species are advancing to the same level at the same time.
I absolutely love how much you've put into the lore, especially how would Quantum Field Theory fits into Unbidden's physical composition. Again, wonderful video.
Thanks Tian :) Glad you enjoyed it!! I almost cut the bit at the begining cause it was pretty off-topic but I found it interesting.. .Glad someone else did :)
“This was not their first incursion” I also think that’s true of the Scourge, in one game I did a special project and got a battleship-class Prethoryn queen in the opening. Maybe they came to the galaxy and won shortly before the Yuht evolved?
Really great video! Maybe the Ultima Vigilis System was built by the Hunters and if it is shut down, they know that there's worthy prey to hunt in the Galaxy? that would explain that they warn you of this "Pest Control". In order to have a bit of a Challenge.
If the Unbidden race, Contingency, and the Prethoryn Scourge are the equivalent of stagnant threat to a type 2-3 tier civilizations just below the Forerunners, the Culture, or Interim coalition of governance in raw power and capabilities then the Hunters might be the equivalent of the Precursors or the Xeelee.
It's a pity the writers said energy is a property of matter and it is their supposition that these entities are energy formed in such a way to exhibit physical properties, when the latter is actually true for everyone. Matter is actually just energy, and in a sense we are all made of energy, bound up in special ways. A being "of energy" from our perspective I assume would simply just be "less bound". The universe is nothing but fields and waves within them, forming the elemental "particles" that propagate through spacetime and interact with each other due to the interference of the underlying waves travelling at the speed of light either directly through space (photons) experiencing no time, or at some angle through both space and time, building the neutrons and protons et cetera that we perceive as matter, traveling at some speed less than light.
The idea in my mind would be that the Hunters that the Prethoryn Scourge fears should be some sort of extra-galactic 'super crisis', so to speak, something either hyper-advanced and seeks to hunt Hiveminds for some reason, or perhaps they are just galaxy-eaters of some sort. Actual death incarnate to even a galaxy itself.
I killed the Unbidden in my 2nd play through with max difficulty. They spawned right next to a wormhole I had. I had a 200k fleet in the area and destroyed them.
Stellaris is played in sessions, from year 2200 up to 2400, 2500 or more, if you survive the galaxy and its one or more crisis. It would be interesting to have a Final Crisis after the regular end-game ones, which is the "Paradox" forces intervening on an empire that has existed for way too long, suffocating the cycle of creation and destruction that once gave rise to yourself (it is not a broken 4th wall but it represents the inherent game cycle of Stellaris, it is its soul of rennovation made into a thread). I believe this poetic representation of the game cycle is as adequate as a final crisis could be, and a chance to flex the powers you acquired through beating everything before and probably even conquering the Galaxy itself (thus again, suffocating the start of new empires for the game' galaxy and for yourself as a player).
when you become the crisis and win the game says something like you ascend to a higher plane of existence so I like to think that they are all former empires that have succeeded in this
Considering the fact that Prethoryn’s ships are purely organic, the Unbidden is a great counter to them, Perhaps the Hunters are these extra-dimensional invaders? On a somewhat unrelated note, It’d be interesting to see the 3 crises interact with each other.
The unbidden really make me think of the reapers from the mass effect series on how they come after various years to feast then return till the universe is ready to be reharvested
From my understanding, there are three dimensions you interact with in Stellaris, the dimension you live in, the dimension of the Unbidden and the Shroud. Is that correct ?
@@TheRedKing Right, I forgot about Leviathans. the Dimensional Horror should be from another dimension if it's name is true, but I always assumed from the Worm on Waiting event chain that it was some space time shenanigans. The Either Drake Curator information does mention them being from "another universe" but I'm not sure wether they refer to another dimension, another Galaxy or simply an earlier, more energy dense version of the material universe. Finally the Toxic God is interesting too, at the end of the event chain it is mentioned it disappeared into the center of the Galaxy, either the thing is dumb and killed itself, or somehow black holes lead to other dimensions (same one the Dimensional Horror would be from.)
Perhaps the scurge doesn't use jump drives because it caused the unbidden to come to their galaxy. Theyd probably swear against it. And when the scrge comes they seem in a hurry. Almost like they know what our jump drives are calling to. 😊
It would be cool if maybe the unbidden are the Zroni but the ones who decided to keep using the shroud after it came out the shroud was slowly destroying the galaxy and they somehow molded with it and ascended to another dimension
The scourge not having jump drive technology could actually support the unbidden being the hunter species. Consider this, if you were out on an open plain being hunted by a posse, and you knew that setting up a camp fire each night would signal the posse and draw them to you, would you set up that campfire or seak alternate means to prepare food and stay warm? In this case, the scourge may be restricting themselves to warp drive precisely because they know the consiquences of using jump drives.
A race of pure quantum energy, and here I'm emphasizing the word "quantum" because if my memory serves me right, probability is one of the things found in anything to do with quantum physics and all that jazz, and after seeing what the Scarlet Witch can do with her probability hex, that would mean that the Shabanash can also do her schtick, too. But then again, this is just me doing my "What Ifs" theory. So take it with a grain of salt.
I'd say given their limited psionic capacity it's plausible the scourge had jump drives at one point, until they realised it was what attracted the unbidden, at which point they "library of alexandria"d the technology, so to speak.
I wonder if it would be possible to play as energy beings in Stellaris. It could be an Origin and unique hive mind species in one. Either that or you could research the Unbidden after defeating them and replicate some of their technology, like their ships, or perhaps even getting unique energy pops. It’s just something I have been thinking about for a while now.
I think we are getting another crisis type. I'm thinking that Ultima Viglis is an analogue of our observation posts over primitive worlds, but for observing the whole galaxy. Owned by a multi galactic Kardashev type III ultra civilisation that will effortlessly wipe out our galaxy for meddling with their observation hub. What we are going to be fighting? PEST CONTROL a.k.a The Hunters. Hope this is in the First Contact DLC.
This could allow Paradox to lead the story to a totally diferent direction, hear me out, what if Jump drives and the Unbiden arent directly connected? This galaxy could be one huge experiment, that would explain why almost every empire developed FTL engines at roughly the same time, and for all we know the fallen empires could be vassals of this extremely powerfull empire, that would explain why they have very little diplomatic options (so they dont temper with the experiment), they cant expand or built bigger fleets (their overlords wouldnt allow it), their tech never evolves (they didnt actually researched it was given to them) and when the galaxy consolidates suddenly there is war in heaven (Introduce foreign stimuli to observe response). Then when empires develop Jump Drives this powerfull empire might consider them too close of some unknown technology that could possibly allow for intergalatic travel and therefore originate a containment breach in the experiment, they activate the beacon and the Unbiden are drawn to it, manipulating them into becoming a failsafe. Then the cycle resets.
Will you do mod events/crisis? Having some lore about the katzneratig, the aeternum and the blokkats from you would be amazing( they're the crisis from gigastructural engineering mod)
I almost wonder if the Unbidden are refugees of a sort. The others seem intent on ending them, and only they seem to focus on the prey aspect of our dimension. They make reference to being able to feast "at long last" but judging by their behaviour the other two don't seem particularly hungry. Perhaps they were losing the war, and were hoping our galaxy could reenergise them for a comeback.
Dunno if was my game bugged, but when the unbidden came, they just spawn a single outpost, that I oneshotted and saved the galaxy XD, guess was just a lucky game, I'll proceed to play more.
I'm always bummed when this crisis shows up in my games. They get steamrolled 9 times out of 10 and don't cause much trouble because everyone has a ridiculous fleet at that point.
@@chasepeace191 I usually put then at x2. The issue is they spawn at random, most of the time they spawn in my boarders and I just send all my fleets to smash them immediately. They don't have time to build up and set another anchor
I’ve only had The Unbidden crisis once so far. It was one of my first full playthroughs and I had the endgame set 50 years later than standard. They spawned right inside the largest empire in the game with the most powerful fleet, in a hyperlane cul de sac with no gateways or wormholes nearby. They conquered about four systems before they were stalled, allowing the Galactic Community to unify and then we all smashed them back within a decade. I had more trouble with the Gray Tempest in that run.
Space vampires strike again. I hate Unbidden. Number of times that they spawned inside my home constellation is astounding. All my fleet designs are created to counter them first and then deal with other forces later.
I believe that the shroud produces- we'll call it waste, that seeps "down" into another dimension that formulates whatever the unbidden are. But that's speculative on my behalf.- Though I do believe that to them, their entirely different species- since their energy...Body? Is different shades of color. Which, may not sound like much but it probably indicates a different energy making them up- it'd be akin to humans amino acids perhaps and some. Neighbors.. But again- speculation. Though, as we've seen an empire can constitute more then one species, but it truly doesn't really matter if I'm honest. They must be destroyed. On the topic of the scourge- They're psionics, which are interwoven with the psionic jump drives as far as my, lack of psionics, indicates. Which seems to be closer to the reality of the unbidden due such technology usage. If I may be so bold- perhaps the scourge either released enough psionic energy on their own to attract the unbidden by unknown at current time means, or that they had to hastily re-fabricate their drives once the. Hunters. Came for them. In short, shoot them until they die solves the problem once again.
Personally, I always thought that the Unbidden were supposed to be Chaos, so I really don't get why they aren't supposed to be psychic. Like, seriously, just add a purple colored variant and boom, red, green, blue, and purple energy monsters from another plane of existence that like to feed on mortals. Throw in possessions and exorcisms and you have awesome emergent storytelling with a lot of potential gameplay effects.
Funny... I currently have to deal with them. And they somehow seem to be attracted by wormholes. Maybe that's just because of their strategic value, but while i set the appearance of wormholes very low(there currently is only one pair in my galaxy) they don't seem to value anything else that much. So i wonder, if this is somehow related to their lore...
Interestingly , your physicist and archivist data have almost the same speculative theory about the unbidden. They are probably beings that are not made by conventional matter like atoms or molecules (solid, liquid, gas, plasma) , they’re probably exist in the state of something like “man made” phase of matter, and its an insult on science that they are jokingly called “ghost” since they still ride ships and do not float or go thru solid objects like a supernatural being . they are still being bound by the rules of physics - albeit a little different set than the ones we had here in our galaxy ., and believe it or not they can be destroyed by kinetic ammo , basically they’re not immune to the very very big “boom stick” 🤔🤔🤔. xeno biology wise , their biological functions require regular matter (atom or molecules) for their sustenance which i assume is that they break down regular matter to be converted for their biological function and their form of matter (speculative theory on why they use some sort of matter disintegrator weapon), its speculative that they’re state of matter is not stable in our regular galaxy , thus preventing them from staying permanently in our universe and eating other galaxies 🤔 Society wise , its public knowledge that they have some sort of faction feud as only the unbidden seemed to be interestingly in eating us , the other two faction seemed to care more about social status and power rather than making us lunch 🤔 and with those three locked in eternal civil war of sorts .
Is there a video you have made similar to this about the scourge? If so what is it's name? I recall watching several about war vs the scourge from end to end, but they were all about ground combat, not the scourge lore. Thanks in advance!
wait.... did i once get an ship from the unbidden? has anyone else in somepoint of playtrough just lost an ship and after few months got an better unbidden looking ship?
iirc the base game has a system called "rift" which is multiple black holes with the same seamline as the one the unbidden spawn when they start. iirc the curator order also have informations on them.
@@TheRedKing Well if it's good one should also mention that. It's especially grating for a non-native speaker to have spent a lot of time learning correct pronunciations and then have native speakers butcher their own language. So kudos to you for not doing that! :p
Me to when I was on the Xbox and I was just a rookie playing stellaris. They completely decimated my empire and I was just getting stable to. Didn't survive long enough to even know it was more of them lol they completely cought me off guard. It was fun because they were a new concept to me beings from another dimension made completely of energy.
I wish paradox would make the crisis more interesting instead of just being powerful fleets you have to fight
I suspect the crisis may get custodian treatment this year... but just a guess
Mods may not be for everyone but in regards to crisis i can recommend "Gigastructural engineering"
They have 2Potential midgame crisis (3, but one is beeing reworked) and one "Post endgame" crisis.
All of thise get special mechanics and events, some can even be stopped before they begin(but you will Miss Special bony)
@@TheRedKing Custodian Treatment?
@@custodianguard6816 if I’m correct it’s where the dev team does an overhaul of a feature in the game and usually comes as a smaller update with a smaller DLC
We are the crisis's
I believe the hunters are the owners of the galactic sentry array and creator of the Contingency, and set up beacons to call for the unbiden when the contingency system fails in eradicating threats to their existence. Also in regards to the prethoryn scourge, they just could have been inhabiting their birth galaxy with species that used the jumpdrive and triggered the beacons, and where lucky enough to escape and are now just on the run from the hunters.
Could be!! I do hope they expand on the ultima system event
The creators of the Contigency killed themselves according to the Contigency AI. You can learn about it, if you are a materialist empire and inquire about the contigency's creators. Whatever that empire discovered, it must have been hyper advanced(galactic spanning, possibly intergalactic) and their fear of the class 30 singularity(whatever that may be) panicked them so much that they seeded at least one galaxy with an ai strong enough to purge all life and offed themselves, because they were approaching that point.
My head canon is that the contingency was created to stop a player crisis
If the other crises’ win life will survive in some way or another
If the player crisis wins and fires the aetherophasic engine the only thing that survives is the player crisis’ species in the merged shroud/reality thing
@Agamemnon of Mycenae A class 30 simularity is a Galaxy sized black hole. Something we create if you decide to become the crisis
@@agamemnonofmycenae5258 Of course, we're trusting the Contingency AI is a reliable narrator... "Yeah, they killed themselves, yup, totally, we were definitely in a different galaxy when that happened..."
10:09 The Hunters seems to operate by "extinguishing" stars (the whole galaxy disapeering), this is more akin to a Crisis Empire than the Unbbiden. One other fact is that the Scourge we fight are mere remanants of fugitives feeling from those Hunters, and they are still on par in terms of firepower with the Unbbiden, so a full power Scoruge wouldn't be so terrfied by the Unbbidens. My best guess is that those "Hunters" were a successfull Crisis Empire that blow out every stars in their galaxy, forcing the Prethoryns to flee
So, the most dangerous threats in the universe are a bunch of Stellaris players. Make sense 😂
The scourge say they have been running from the hunters for eons. If the unbidden are the hunters, the scourge would have learnt to stop using jump drives ages ago to be able to flee and hide better
Very true!!
Now my head canon is that the scourge initially attracted the unbidden with jump drives. They realized their folly too late and their entire galaxy was consumed by an unbidden faction. Thereafter they escaped to other galaxies and don't use jump drives so as to not get overwhelmed by the unbidden which such technology attracts.
Could be! The Unbidden could also have just lucked into finding the scourge but who knows
That's pretty close to what I was just about to post
I kind of think that it wasn't the scourge but another species that existed around the same time The Scourge were just the last ones left
@@TheRedKing The Unbidden could also be the "warp beasts" from the mirror universe event
Finally the only crisis that’s already happened before and has the most events connected to it
that sounds suspiciously like a succession war between hiveminds to me. the eternal throne being the only way to truly achieve control over all the hives again
It's chilling how their Audio Cue is just wind. For the Scourge there's chewing, for the Contingency there's the mainframe sound. But Unbidden it's just wind. They will leave nothing, everything will be dead.
Question: Have you, or are you, going to cover The Contingency like you have the Unbidden and Scourge?
I've not, but I probably will at somepoint in the future, I see you're not the only one asking !! :)
@@TheRedKingI wouldn’t mind the idea that we “develop” the contingency as a lore video, sort of like how you covered the scourge
I wonder if the Unbidden are actually made up of a Crisis Empire that “ascended” from a previous cycle. I know that the Crisis Empire ends up blowing up their entire galaxy, so maybe they come from another galaxy, I wouldn’t imagine being in a higher realm of existence prevents them from getting to the galaxy you play in. After all, I think using warp drives are suppose to attract the Unbidden right? Acting like a beacon for them to go to across the universe maybe.
I don’t know if you’re trying to ascend to the Shroud or some other higher realm when being the Crisis, but since the Unbidden are “close” to the Shroud, maybe they ascended to that new realm or somehow traveled there after getting into the Shroud?
The Unbidden are also ravenously hungry for life energy, similar to the Crisis Empire’s desire to wipe out every sentient thing around it. Maybe the ascended have become even more apathetic than their past forms, now being able to sustain themselves off their victims?
Could be!!
I don’t this this is correct as it is stated when you ascend, is that your species “has full control of the universes reality”
You create amazing videos. Stellaris lore is already very interesting, but the why how you present it is astonishing.
Thanks Exakan :) glad you're enjoying them!!
I honestly think they should be the hardest End Crisis of all End Crisis(unless they finally bring eldritch horrors) and have 3 different starts 1 or 2 or 3 of them will appear as odds
I'd like to see the Worm added as a crisis level event in some way
@@TheRedKing The worm loves us so let us help it eat the galaxy
(Though I suppose that's unlikely to happen as it has been a while since I last saw the worm and what's the point of joining the worm if it doesn't love you)
it would be a lot of fun if psionic empires could accidentally give the new shroud gods the ability to "breach" into the galaxy. Then have four systems that suddenly get overtaken by the shroud, forcing all four to be overtaken and the breaches sealed to cast them out.
@@Unanimoustoo that is the great rift from warhammer 40k and the shroud gods are a reference to the chaos gods from both warhammers, but it is original 4 eyes of terror sounds too much for stellaris.
i think unbidden are the strongest
contingency are too spread out, can be beaten with "normal" ship designs, also their main threat in form of the ghost signal can be ignored by biological and psionic empires
scourge meanwhile lacks the means of replenishing their forces, also they are countered by their own weapons so if you win a single battle and collect the loot you can push back against them even easier
unbidden meanwhile start a big invasion in a single system and if they aren't immediately contained they will put their anchors down and prevent the rift from being closed allowing them to keep getting reinforcements
also their weapon is useless against them
It's worth mentioning that these are a reference to the Firstborn from A Space Odyssey by Arthur C Clarke. Almost everything in Stellaris is a reference to something, so this is very likely.
This also implies that they may have seeded life, or at least advanced it, long ago to bring the difference species to the present level. It would also explain why most of the species are advancing to the same level at the same time.
I absolutely love how much you've put into the lore, especially how would Quantum Field Theory fits into Unbidden's physical composition.
Again, wonderful video.
Thanks Tian :) Glad you enjoyed it!! I almost cut the bit at the begining cause it was pretty off-topic but I found it interesting.. .Glad someone else did :)
great video, and what a coincidence! i just finished the ultima vigilis excavation earlier today. gotta start prepping for what’s to come..
Ahh! Get prepared!! Good luck :)
@@TheRedKing thank youu🙌
“This was not their first incursion” I also think that’s true of the Scourge, in one game I did a special project and got a battleship-class Prethoryn queen in the opening. Maybe they came to the galaxy and won shortly before the Yuht evolved?
Really great video! Maybe the Ultima Vigilis System was built by the Hunters and if it is shut down, they know that there's worthy prey to hunt in the Galaxy? that would explain that they warn you of this "Pest Control". In order to have a bit of a Challenge.
Glad you enjoyed it!! and 100% could be, hopefully Paradox will expand on it in the future :)
They do spawn if you finish the Ultima Vigilis archeology site, as it will trigger a Mean Time To Happen for the Unbidden to arrive in the galaxy.
If the Unbidden race, Contingency, and the Prethoryn Scourge are the equivalent of stagnant threat to a type 2-3 tier civilizations just below the Forerunners, the Culture, or Interim coalition of governance in raw power and capabilities then the Hunters might be the equivalent of the Precursors or the Xeelee.
It's a pity the writers said energy is a property of matter and it is their supposition that these entities are energy formed in such a way to exhibit physical properties, when the latter is actually true for everyone. Matter is actually just energy, and in a sense we are all made of energy, bound up in special ways. A being "of energy" from our perspective I assume would simply just be "less bound".
The universe is nothing but fields and waves within them, forming the elemental "particles" that propagate through spacetime and interact with each other due to the interference of the underlying waves travelling at the speed of light either directly through space (photons) experiencing no time, or at some angle through both space and time, building the neutrons and protons et cetera that we perceive as matter, traveling at some speed less than light.
The idea in my mind would be that the Hunters that the Prethoryn Scourge fears should be some sort of extra-galactic 'super crisis', so to speak, something either hyper-advanced and seeks to hunt Hiveminds for some reason, or perhaps they are just galaxy-eaters of some sort. Actual death incarnate to even a galaxy itself.
Lorecrimes yesterday, today more NeddyTheNoodle Ark and now this. We been eating GOOD.
I killed the Unbidden in my 2nd play through with max difficulty. They spawned right next to a wormhole I had. I had a 200k fleet in the area and destroyed them.
Nice!!
Pretty sure that without at least 4-5 mil fleet you wouldn't defeat any crisis at spawn at max difficulty... 😅
@@Caladbolg_EN probably meant grand admiral not x25 which imo is literally insane
So *that's* why the game says jump drives are a dangerous technology. I always wondered why.
Sapient AI combat computers on the other hand bring the Contingency to life :)
@@TheRedKing Yo! Love your vids! Their style is so cool.
Well now i know why Jump Drive Tech is marked as Dangerous
Stellaris is played in sessions, from year 2200 up to 2400, 2500 or more, if you survive the galaxy and its one or more crisis.
It would be interesting to have a Final Crisis after the regular end-game ones, which is the "Paradox" forces intervening on an empire that has existed for way too long, suffocating the cycle of creation and destruction that once gave rise to yourself (it is not a broken 4th wall but it represents the inherent game cycle of Stellaris, it is its soul of rennovation made into a thread).
I believe this poetic representation of the game cycle is as adequate as a final crisis could be, and a chance to flex the powers you acquired through beating everything before and probably even conquering the Galaxy itself (thus again, suffocating the start of new empires for the game' galaxy and for yourself as a player).
when you become the crisis and win the game says something like you ascend to a higher plane of existence so I like to think that they are all former empires that have succeeded in this
An energy being is such a cool sci-fi concept, I wish it was used more.
Considering the fact that Prethoryn’s ships are purely organic, the Unbidden is a great counter to them, Perhaps the Hunters are these extra-dimensional invaders? On a somewhat unrelated note, It’d be interesting to see the 3 crises interact with each other.
I wish they’d add new ship types to the unbidden or Prethoryn Scourge. Titans, Juggernauts and
Would be cool!! I expect they'll be updated one day
Thank you for making a video on the Unbidden, I appreciate it a lot. These guys are incredibly cool IMO. Great work!
Glad you enjoyed it!
The unbidden really make me think of the reapers from the mass effect series on how they come after various years to feast then return till the universe is ready to be reharvested
From my understanding, there are three dimensions you interact with in Stellaris, the dimension you live in, the dimension of the Unbidden and the Shroud.
Is that correct ?
I guess so, it's not entirely clear where the worm and various void beasts exist
@@TheRedKing Right, I forgot about Leviathans.
the Dimensional Horror should be from another dimension if it's name is true, but I always assumed from the Worm on Waiting event chain that it was some space time shenanigans.
The Either Drake Curator information does mention them being from "another universe" but I'm not sure wether they refer to another dimension, another Galaxy or simply an earlier, more energy dense version of the material universe.
Finally the Toxic God is interesting too, at the end of the event chain it is mentioned it disappeared into the center of the Galaxy, either the thing is dumb and killed itself, or somehow black holes lead to other dimensions (same one the Dimensional Horror would be from.)
All are made of psionic energy. Physical word would be the lowest "level", while shroud is the ultimate reality. Unbidden seem to be between.
Perhaps the scurge doesn't use jump drives because it caused the unbidden to come to their galaxy. Theyd probably swear against it. And when the scrge comes they seem in a hurry. Almost like they know what our jump drives are calling to. 😊
It would be cool if maybe the unbidden are the Zroni but the ones who decided to keep using the shroud after it came out the shroud was slowly destroying the galaxy and they somehow molded with it and ascended to another dimension
The scourge not having jump drive technology could actually support the unbidden being the hunter species.
Consider this, if you were out on an open plain being hunted by a posse, and you knew that setting up a camp fire each night would signal the posse and draw them to you, would you set up that campfire or seak alternate means to prepare food and stay warm?
In this case, the scourge may be restricting themselves to warp drive precisely because they know the consiquences of using jump drives.
Yeah 100% could be, I think you're supported by a few others in the comments :)
Perhaps the scourge knew but then banned the use of jump technology in order to avoid being tracked by the unbidden
Could be! Seems alot of others agree with you
Something interesting about them:
*"...at long last... we shall feast"*
Implication being they've been "hungry" for a very long time.
Do you think the unbidden could have become the crisis and then ascended to a different plane of existence
Using the aetherophasic engine? Maybe!
Do you exclusively cover vanilla lore in your videos? I'd love to listen about the Blokkats in such format.
Or the Aerternun too
I've not played giga but can certainly give it a go :)
@@TheRedKing PLEASE!! Katzen imperium, Blokkats, Gatzo ascendency, the robot gatzo ascendency, All that would be incredible!!
I would be more interested in the synthetic gods from darkspace, given that you get 4 archeology sites and an entire origin dedicated to them.
@@isuckatusernames4297 I would be so proud if he ever does that. He is so good in storytelling!
A race of pure quantum energy, and here I'm emphasizing the word "quantum" because if my memory serves me right, probability is one of the things found in anything to do with quantum physics and all that jazz, and after seeing what the Scarlet Witch can do with her probability hex, that would mean that the Shabanash can also do her schtick, too.
But then again, this is just me doing my "What Ifs" theory. So take it with a grain of salt.
Their relic is called the "warlock" ;) who knows!
I think the scourge just destroyed all jump drives after finding out what can happen if you over use them
I'd say given their limited psionic capacity it's plausible the scourge had jump drives at one point, until they realised it was what attracted the unbidden, at which point they "library of alexandria"d the technology, so to speak.
Could be!!
Goddam I love these lore videos. You do such a good job! So cool!!!!! Thank you for making them!
Thanks Benjamin :) Glad you're enjoying them, thank you for the kind words
I wonder if it would be possible to play as energy beings in Stellaris. It could be an Origin and unique hive mind species in one. Either that or you could research the Unbidden after defeating them and replicate some of their technology, like their ships, or perhaps even getting unique energy pops. It’s just something I have been thinking about for a while now.
Electric speicies pack incoming? :o Could be awesome!!
@@TheRedKing The possibilities are endless.
@@TheRedKing I actually made an entire species pack as mod like that :D
Been waiting for this vid
Hope you enjoyed it !
@@TheRedKing loved it your vids are always awesome
Thank you!! :)
The Unbidden spawned early game for me every single time, and they ended up being curb-stomped.
@TheRedKing have you thought about doing a lore discussion on some of the modded stuff like Gigastructures?
Yes! A few others have mentioned it, i've never played Giga but it looks really fun :)
@@TheRedKing Try it out sometime man, its ridiculously fun
Love your lore videos. Makes this amazing game even better. Thanks for the hard work
Thanks Nick, glad you like them!
I think we are getting another crisis type. I'm thinking that Ultima Viglis is an analogue of our observation posts over primitive worlds, but for observing the whole galaxy. Owned by a multi galactic Kardashev type III ultra civilisation that will effortlessly wipe out our galaxy for meddling with their observation hub. What we are going to be fighting? PEST CONTROL a.k.a The Hunters.
Hope this is in the First Contact DLC.
Could be! We shall see !!
This could allow Paradox to lead the story to a totally diferent direction, hear me out, what if Jump drives and the Unbiden arent directly connected?
This galaxy could be one huge experiment, that would explain why almost every empire developed FTL engines at roughly the same time, and for all we know the fallen empires could be vassals of this extremely powerfull empire, that would explain why they have very little diplomatic options (so they dont temper with the experiment), they cant expand or built bigger fleets (their overlords wouldnt allow it), their tech never evolves (they didnt actually researched it was given to them) and when the galaxy consolidates suddenly there is war in heaven (Introduce foreign stimuli to observe response).
Then when empires develop Jump Drives this powerfull empire might consider them too close of some unknown technology that could possibly allow for intergalatic travel and therefore originate a containment breach in the experiment, they activate the beacon and the Unbiden are drawn to it, manipulating them into becoming a failsafe.
Then the cycle resets.
let's gooooo thank you for making this!
Hope you enjoyed it :)
this was so cool. thanks for putting this together
Glad you enjoyed it!
I always keep calling them the Unbiden by mistake.
Will you do mod events/crisis? Having some lore about the katzneratig, the aeternum and the blokkats from you would be amazing( they're the crisis from gigastructural engineering mod)
I've heard alot about them, so probably in the future they sound pretty awesome!!
I almost wonder if the Unbidden are refugees of a sort. The others seem intent on ending them, and only they seem to focus on the prey aspect of our dimension. They make reference to being able to feast "at long last" but judging by their behaviour the other two don't seem particularly hungry. Perhaps they were losing the war, and were hoping our galaxy could reenergise them for a comeback.
Could be!!
YESSSSSSSSSSS I’ve been waiting for this one!
Dunno if was my game bugged, but when the unbidden came, they just spawn a single outpost, that I oneshotted and saved the galaxy XD, guess was just a lucky game, I'll proceed to play more.
I'm always bummed when this crisis shows up in my games. They get steamrolled 9 times out of 10 and don't cause much trouble because everyone has a ridiculous fleet at that point.
You should turn up their power then
@@chasepeace191 I usually put then at x2. The issue is they spawn at random, most of the time they spawn in my boarders and I just send all my fleets to smash them immediately. They don't have time to build up and set another anchor
@njones52 yeah I know it sucks sometimes I let them build up for a challenge but they are just weak
This really sounds like the races of the galaxy are unknowingly destroying their home with jump drives and they are defending themselves
Shiiiiit I thought this was a year old nah it’s only an hour, can’t wait to watch
Hope you enjoyed it :)
@@TheRedKing I did, well made video
I’ve only had The Unbidden crisis once so far. It was one of my first full playthroughs and I had the endgame set 50 years later than standard. They spawned right inside the largest empire in the game with the most powerful fleet, in a hyperlane cul de sac with no gateways or wormholes nearby. They conquered about four systems before they were stalled, allowing the Galactic Community to unify and then we all smashed them back within a decade. I had more trouble with the Gray Tempest in that run.
Keep going! You'll meet the scourge :) they're fun!
well considering in my latest playthrough I was able to beat the scourge all by myself, i'm not too scared :)
11:40 the reapers are back boys
Oh dang, so they build anchors. I guess it's good I defeated it in a month before it could expand then.
Space vampires strike again. I hate Unbidden. Number of times that they spawned inside my home constellation is astounding. All my fleet designs are created to counter them first and then deal with other forces later.
Ahha yes :) It's insanely frustrating when this happens!!!
I believe that the shroud produces- we'll call it waste, that seeps "down" into another dimension that formulates whatever the unbidden are. But that's speculative on my behalf.-
Though I do believe that to them, their entirely different species- since their energy...Body? Is different shades of color.
Which, may not sound like much but it probably indicates a different energy making them up- it'd be akin to humans amino acids perhaps and some. Neighbors.. But again- speculation.
Though, as we've seen an empire can constitute more then one species, but it truly doesn't really matter if I'm honest. They must be destroyed.
On the topic of the scourge- They're psionics, which are interwoven with the psionic jump drives as far as my, lack of psionics, indicates. Which seems to be closer to the reality of the unbidden due such technology usage.
If I may be so bold- perhaps the scourge either released enough psionic energy on their own to attract the unbidden by unknown at current time means, or that they had to hastily re-fabricate their drives once the. Hunters. Came for them.
In short, shoot them until they die solves the problem once again.
Interesting theory! Could be!! But yes, the TLDR covers it :)
made of energy? sounds like the drej from Titan AE :)
Personally, I always thought that the Unbidden were supposed to be Chaos, so I really don't get why they aren't supposed to be psychic. Like, seriously, just add a purple colored variant and boom, red, green, blue, and purple energy monsters from another plane of existence that like to feed on mortals. Throw in possessions and exorcisms and you have awesome emergent storytelling with a lot of potential gameplay effects.
Great video again! Keep it up :D
Funny... I currently have to deal with them. And they somehow seem to be attracted by wormholes. Maybe that's just because of their strategic value, but while i set the appearance of wormholes very low(there currently is only one pair in my galaxy) they don't seem to value anything else that much. So i wonder, if this is somehow related to their lore...
Interestingly , your physicist and archivist data have almost the same speculative theory about the unbidden. They are probably beings that are not made by conventional matter like atoms or molecules (solid, liquid, gas, plasma) , they’re probably exist in the state of something like “man made” phase of matter, and its an insult on science that they are jokingly called “ghost” since they still ride ships and do not float or go thru solid objects like a supernatural being . they are still being bound by the rules of physics - albeit a little different set than the ones we had here in our galaxy ., and believe it or not they can be destroyed by kinetic ammo , basically they’re not immune to the very very big “boom stick” 🤔🤔🤔. xeno biology wise , their biological functions require regular matter (atom or molecules) for their sustenance which i assume is that they break down regular matter to be converted for their biological function and their form of matter (speculative theory on why they use some sort of matter disintegrator weapon), its speculative that they’re state of matter is not stable in our regular galaxy , thus preventing them from staying permanently in our universe and eating other galaxies 🤔
Society wise , its public knowledge that they have some sort of faction feud as only the unbidden seemed to be interestingly in eating us , the other two faction seemed to care more about social status and power rather than making us lunch 🤔 and with those three locked in eternal civil war of sorts .
Oh boy do I love lore about my favorite genocide simulator
So interdimensional three kingdoms arrive to ruin your fun. Damn you Interdimensional Liu Bei.
God I love this channel.
Thanks Willow :) Happy you're enjoying the videos!!
Space vampires
This sounds really similiar to the reaper harvest in mass effect games
Agreed, galatic cycles are a very common theme throughout both games
Great stuff. Can you do L-Gates next? ;)
You can find them here :) ruclips.net/video/qBXU9c4_fDs/видео.html
Will you stream the community game on RUclips?
I don't feel like playing Stellaris, but I think I'd enjoy watching it.
I intend to yes :)
Les gooo. Finally
the more i watch these lore vids the more i want to purchase stellaris , ugh if only paradox wasnt so obnoxious when it comes to pricing but oh well
It is a great game!! Often goes on sale via humblebundle and steam along with a bunch of the DLC
Is there a video you have made similar to this about the scourge? If so what is it's name? I recall watching several about war vs the scourge from end to end, but they were all about ground combat, not the scourge lore. Thanks in advance!
I've not done anything in this format for the Scourge, they're all much more narrivate and less game facts.
@@TheRedKing Ah, alright. Thanks for the response though! Have a good day.
Can anyone help I was playing stellaris on Ironman and it crashed and deleted all my custom empires and save games
I think they are the warp beasts from the alternate dimension
If normal jumo drives attracts the unbidden does that mean psi jump drives dont since they go through the shroud
Psi jump drives also attract the Unbidden :)
wait.... did i once get an ship from the unbidden? has anyone else in somepoint of playtrough just lost an ship and after few months got an better unbidden looking ship?
The UnBiden
biden blast
The Warp.
At least now we know that the throne is a artefact
Hello, can you say how do you know the Unbidden have invaded the galaxy previously? I've played Stellaris a lot and it never occurred to me.
Just speculation based on the available infomation; nothing is confirmed
@@TheRedKing What are the available infortmation?
iirc the base game has a system called "rift" which is multiple black holes with the same seamline as the one the unbidden spawn when they start.
iirc the curator order also have informations on them.
In earth we have The UnBidens and The UnTrumpers
Jay! A native speaker that can pronounce vehement!
Ha! Nice to receive positive comments on pronunciation for a change :)
@@TheRedKing Well if it's good one should also mention that.
It's especially grating for a non-native speaker to have spent a lot of time learning correct pronunciations and then have native speakers butcher their own language. So kudos to you for not doing that! :p
Woah 😳
I am ashamed to say… I only ever encountered shabanash. Lol
Not really a bad thing, if you get to the Vehement something pretty awful has happened to your galaxy :)
Me to when I was on the Xbox and I was just a rookie playing stellaris. They completely decimated my empire and I was just getting stable to. Didn't survive long enough to even know it was more of them lol they completely cought me off guard. It was fun because they were a new concept to me beings from another dimension made completely of energy.
UnBidden?! Meh, nothing a massive fleet loaded with kinetic weapons and stuffed to the brim with shields can’t handle.
missile spam is also a valid option
you should be employed by paradox team, srsly
Very kind thanks Carlos :) But they're the professionals, not me
This is wrong. Isn't it obvious what they are... they are the 3 endings of Mass Effect 3 come to haunt us!
YAy new video
Can't even have jump drives in Ohio
awwwww YEAH
based video
Thanks Luke :)
Ah, they’re they reapers again
Reapers? We have dismissed that claim