I think it would be cool to hear your opinion on how to improve all the starters in the C, D, and F tiers so they could be on par with the A and B tier ones. Kinda like how you improved Cynthia's team.
I still can't believe they gave Incineroar that was on 80% of all teams a move like parting shot yet they took levitate away from Gengar because "it was too strong"
what pisses me of even more is that inceneroar and a-persian gets parting shot but my boy liepard doesn't, like really? liepard is just so close to be actually good, it just need some small buffs like this
I got an idea after you talked about Incinerator: Rank every Meta's most broken Pokemon with each other based on how broken they were in their respective best Meta
Don't remember the name of the video, but he had one like 2 or 3 months ago about that. Think it was called "Most annoying Pokemon" or something like that.
Feraligatr seems so close to there, but the stars never quite aligned in the right way. The Physical Special Split and its Hidden Ability would've been huge if they'd come earlier. If it had gotten a Mega or mmaybe a Gmax that could nudge it into viability. The Gen 2 starters never seemed to get the preferential treatment starters generally get.
Fr lmao, Feraligatr has the potential, but it just isn't quite there. Just a few slight nudges and it could reach viability, but it's just slightly off in almost every single way
Honestly? The gen 2 POKEMON are a case of not quite there. Dozen or so pre evolutions. An evo to a stall pokemon that was already a godtier stall pokemon on its own. Mono typing for a bunch of categories that were dual typing. Bout the only good thing out of the 100 mons they added that is still incredible to this day is the pseudo legendary which should be a given anyway
I made it to almost top 100 on the showdown bdsp ladder with Empoleon. Swords Dance/ Aqua Jet gets busy on most pokes in the format. Drill peck is good for grass types, mainly ludicolo/ breloom, and earthquake works for elec types
@@__shoe__ 1 Immunity, 10(!) resistances and only 3 weaknesses is incredible defensively. It's 3 weaknesses are on the common side, but they're easily covered by a bulky grass type. It swaps Fire for an Electric weakness, due to the grass type defensive synergy I'd normally say that's a good swap if not for Regieleki. Offensively, sure, not amazing; mainly because it gets walled by Water/Electric types pretty hard. (Though it does get EQ, and most Electric types are squishy enough to fall over to a boosted non-STAB EQ.)
Serperior is amazing, ik I'm biased as hell because it's my favorite pokemon but it's so fun to use both comoetitively in singles and in normal playthroughs with a coil set, there aren't many speedy tanks out there and that's also why Serperior feels so unique
Gen 1: Solid staple pokemon Gen 2: Sequels are never good Gen 3: We prefer 1v1s Gen 4: What gen 3 said Gen 5: We're pretty good Gen 6: We rely on looks for our popularity Gen 7: Inceneroar Gen 8: Who's Inteleon?
@@isaaclim8645 really? I was always under the impression that the pokemon community loved everything about gen 6 and that i was one of the few that despises x and y. I really like the gen 7 starters a lot and always liked sun and moon In Terms of looks from best to worst my list would go something like this: Gen 1 Gen 7 Gen 4 Gen 8 Gen 3 Gen 2 Gen 5 Gen 6
@@Niclasla why do you think Greninja gets so much love? Because it doesn't have any competition from the other 2 starters.. initially froakie was the least popular until the next stages were revealed.. and ppl were so disappointed with the other 2 that greninja shot up in popularity
I think radical red did a good job buffing meganium. Added fairy type and gave it triage. Priority giga drain, draining kiss, plus leech seed and protect help make the most of its bulk
Inclement Emerald did this too, it's huge for Meganium. They also gave it Flower Veil as a regular ability which is insane on a Grass type, that alone made Chikorita worth picking most of the time.
@@monky4640 Hmm yeah it does step on Comfey's niche. Maybe you'd take away heal pulse from Meganium so it doesn't take Comfey's support role in doubles
I was so confused when you said “Deki-dew-eye” for Decidueye 😅 I have always read it like Deciduous (like the tree category). “Deh-sid-you-eye”=Decidueye
Could build it to be like almost all bulk with most of it into sp def and use assault vest, but then it's like spending almost all investment just to counter it's mass inherent weakness. Doable yeah, easy no
Hearing that Blastoise is in A tier when I have no idea about the competitive scene makes me feel good as someone who collects everything Blastoise I can get my hands on,
You mean regieional forms? They have to start from the first pokemon in the evolution line to get the regional variant, I don't think any pokemon has started a an original variant and then changed varitan in the final evolution. Considering the trailer shows all the starters to be original forms, I don't think they're getting any new regional forms, but perhaps they get different abiltites/stats change to be more vaiable. Then again, Legends: Arceus is not mainline game so I don't think there will be any competitive battling on that format....If there even is multiplayer at all.
I'm sure this is a common sentiment, but as someone who has only ever been familiar with single battle smogon stuff, seeing the insane difference in perspective is nuts.
Yeah, Blaziken is nuts in singles. I do see why it is not good in Doubles. Bad bulk and 4 move syndrome have always held it back but add in a Protect guessing game with someone coming to smack it, with an exclusively single-target movepool and you have a terrible doubles Pokemon.
So interesting seeing VGC/Doubles tiers! I play singles the odd time I do play competitive, seeing Charizard so high and Blaziken so low is kinda mind bendy
I feel like if Blastoise is in A tier, Primarina should be there as well. I mean, if B+ were a thing, both of them would be there anyway(even though toise is better) so I don’t think it’s viable separating them like that.
I would be curious to see a Wolfe video where he breaks down what he thinks the strongest possible pokemon team would be (all mons, all generational gimmicks, etc). I think it could be a super interesting concept
@Mikal Edmunds very much agreed. i love samurott as is, i just wish he was better in battle and i'm hoping that a regional evo can give him a bit of a boost
The leaker has been very credible for a long time now each new form, pokemon that keeps getting revealed is true. Even stuff like the diglet underground feature was hinted at by the leaker so it's safe to say it Is coming. Whether we can use it this gen remains to be seen. Hoping we can with the home update
With all the powercreep going on, I'd love for most of the starters (and most other pokémon to be honest) to get a revamp/rebalance to their movepools and stats. Especially the Johto starters haven't gotten any love and it shows. I really like Meganium but it always feels like it misses any sort of niche to go with it's OK bulk and it's movepool is really bad. Same goes for Typhlosion, it's specced as a special attacker but the majority of it's movepool is physical which really hurts. Sceptile has this problem too but atleast it has Sword's Dance. I hoped that the rebalancing and move distribution would've come with Sword and Shield with the TR system, but now I hope we just get a big rebalance in gen 9 or whatever comes after Legends of Arceus. Not all pokémon have to be fantastic but I'd like for most 'mon to have a solid niche or gameplan going forward.
i love chikorita and meganium too they are my first ever starter so they have a special place in my heart. However, powercreep make it kind of impossible to use it effectively.
I completely agree with this comment typholosion and meganium are prolly the worst out all the starters they really dont do much and need love atleast for fraligatr he isnt bad with sheer force and dragon dance but the other 2 are left in the dust
@@ducky36F mybe some day when they bring mega evolutions in th re remake of silver and gold lol but jokes aside alot of johto mons in general need buffs they just keep making stronger and better mons to use over them
I love chesnaught a LOT but I feel like his potential got heavily underestimated due to Talonflame's meta during Gen 6, still love the guy, really bulky and the salac berry + belly drum + substitute was super fun although super hard to pull out
Even though Feraligatr is my favorite, I absolutely agree. He has honestly been left behind for a long time in the meta (as have the other gen 2 starters tbh) and needs some help.
Honestly Pokémon that are outdated, should stay outdated. Why help an old Pokémon when you could focus on new ones? If it was bad from the start, it’s just a waste to try improve it more.
i think Pokemon adding new stuff to the gen 1 starters every gen is getting old. the gen 1 starters have had mega evolutions and gigantamaxes, i'd love to see other starters getting a bit of attention. anything that isnt charizard really, i'm getting sick of it
If Typhlosion was just a little faster and got better special coverage I think it definitely be viable. Drought + choice specs Eruption and solar beams would be fun.
@@neppy0021 And I love it when random RUclips commenters don’t know the difference between correcting someone and stating his/her opinion on something.
@@snapclub8751 well it's not really an opinion when it comes to competitive pokemon, some are objectively bad (meganium, feraligatr) while some are objectively broken (incineroar)
I'm using inteleon paired with kyoger as a counter to the weezing/ gigas strat. Using g max snipe shot, you can oko weezing and it goes through protect.
Not really, you easily get ganged up on by both your opponents mon. It’s defense is good, but can’t are too many hits. Maybe with support like with follow me Clefairy it can be very good.
"Sceptile is a moderately fast Grass type" Mega Sceptile has the highest base speed of any Grass type, and Sceptile has the 3rd highest behind Shaymin (Sky-Form). If you're including Chlorophyll then yes there are faster Grass types but Sceptile is definitely a speedster
Seriously, Chesnaught has potential to be a beast! I used a set of: Substitute, Bellydrum, the Berry that raises speed when at 25% max HP and Drain Punch It can really wreck shop with that combo
where did you use it? in game? 1. with 64 base speed you wont outspeed a lot of things even at +1 one and the belly drum set up is just not worth it. that does not even factor in that your opponent might have some sort of speed control, like trick room, tailwind or electro web from eleki. 2. a +6 chesnaught prob wont even hit THAT hard if you compare it to certain threads. 3. chestnaught gets no priority moves as far as i know... bellydrum is almost exclusiv used on pokemon with strong STAB priority attacks (linoon extrem speed, azumarill aquajet) to hit already weakened threads or those who cant be outspeeded 4. dynamax is a thing - u wont on-hit-KO a dynamaxed something even at +6 and just get revenge killed by a flying type boost
@@walder69 I mean it had some usage in gen 6 before dynamax existed but even then it was a small niche and was hard to setup without being completely blown out by a hard counter of some sort. It was definitely a real set that was used on teams though and if you weren't ready for it you could just straight up lose to it
this list is pretty representative of power creep. All the lower mons are a lot older, except kanto, but we know those pokemon will never go away. The johto pokemon got especially screwed because they were too late for nostalgia to carry them and too early to get any interesting mechanics. I'm excited for arceus because all 3 of its starters really need some love.
Represented by Tier Gen 1: AAA Gen 2: DFF Gen 3: BCF Gen 4: CCF Gen 5: BDD Gen 6: BCD Gen 7: SBD Gen 8: SBC If we add up the score out the scores (F = 1 - S = 6), the ranking goes as follows. Gen 1 = 15 Gen 8 = 13 Gen 7 = 12 Gen 6 = 9 Gen 3 = 8 Gen 5 = 8 Gen 2 = 4 Overall, I think it's fair to say there's some power creep with the most recent 2 generations and obviously gen 2 is bad. But 6, 3, and 5 are actually very similar. I put 3 over 5 since swampert is likely better than serperior by a decent margin, but this is much more balanced than I was expecting. More than power creep itself, it just seems like certain mons are better able to abuse certain formats, giving newer mons homefield advantage. Obvi that does not apply to incineroar at all, and if terrains continue to stay as they are, rillaboom will likely maintain that momentum too. It is an interesting look though.
also worth noting that Sceptile's special movepool is ass (STAB, Dragon Pulse, and Focus Miss, as well as Hidden Power whiling it lasted) whiling it's movepool off of it's lower atk (85 vs 105) is much better, including but not limited to Drain Punch, Thunder Punch, Rock Slide, Earthquake, Acrobatics, Sword Dance, Dragon Dance but as i said, it's on the wrong side, that's why people have been asking to swap Sceptile's 85 atk and 105 sp. atk to begin with.
If only Emboar was in the current meta, I'm biased cause it's my favorite Pokémon but I think it could honestly do some damage with a choice scarf to improve its speed and use its hidden ability to take advantage of its moves.
When it came out Infernape was easily an S tier starter, it really only fell behind because it wasn’t given any buffs, mega evolution, or giant forms like the Gen 1 were getting
I keep hearing about Rillaboom and how good it is because of Grassy Glide, and all I can think is "This monkey will instantly be out of a job the moment Bulu gets Grassy Glide too!"
Ok, after watching some of the eevee-lution videos recently, I wanna see Wolfe get to #1 in the world with 3 starters from his F, D and C teirs respectively. Rest of the team is free game
Ran a Blaziken on a support set with Feather Dance, endure, fire pledge, and aurasphere @focus sash or the swag petaya berry for the endure play. With a gmax venusaur for the mega DoTs! I could fire and grass pledge to do a fire field and then gmax vine lash later. It was a fun play when it worked, and now I always consider the pledges if I want to max with a gen 1 starter 😁👌
Hey, I am pretty unfamiliar with competitive Pokemon but I find these videos interesting- What’s the deal with landorous? Why does he come up as a point of comparison?
@@MrStarman926 A few things. -Landourus-T(the other form is far less relevant, altho is usable) has intimidate, which is one of the best abilities in the game. It drops the attack of opposing pokemon by 1 stage(33% damage reduction assuming no other changes at the time). In doubles, intimidate hits both opposing pokemon, so its a good way to control the field. -It has stats spread in a way that are very beneficial for certain competitive roles(pokemon are usually categorized into those in comp. play, sort of like tank dps healer in rpgs and such), which can range from (bulky)physical sweeper to physical tank for Lando. It's very high attack make it pretty threatening at all times, no matter what exactly it does decide to go for. -U-Turn is an amazing support move to generate momentum. Infact, Lando-T's movepool in general has rather good coverage. Rock Slide, Earthquake, Swords Dance, Rockpolish, U-Turn, Stone Edge, Grass Knot, Brick Break, Fly are just some of the more common moves it has access to, which are staple moves in competitive play one way or another. -Lando-T has great typing, Ground/Flying offers good STAB, nice immunities/resistances, they cover each other reasonable well and are generally just some of the more useful types to have on mons. Those types in particular are quite nice at dealing with physical pokemon in many cases, which is exactly what Lando likes doing anyway. I didn't mention everything here, just some of the major points first coming to mind. The bottom line really is that this pokemon has a very well-rounded full package going for it that serves a competitive purpose amazingly well. All these things i mentioned work well together to allow this pokemon to perform a variety of roles on teams in both singles and doubles. Some examples of how these points add up could be: -U-Turn allows for consistent intimidate pivoting and overall flexiblity, which creates even more opportunities to abuse this advantage and natural bulk(which helps with consistent switching). -It's bulk(including intimidate) make it easier to abuse its swords dance and amazing earthquake/rockslide combo, and its nice speedtier either allow instant threatening, or because of its nice EV spread, you can run a bulkier version that makes it even harder to kill it, and instead support it with speedcontrol like tailwind. -It's typing+stats allows it to serve as a blanket check for many big common threats such as garchomp. -The high amount of flexibility in regards to competitive EV,move and item-choices can make it very hard to know the best course of action, often leading to suboptimal play before sufficient information is gathered. You can minimize this issue with proper option coverage, and in some formats you are given this info upfront, but it can be a problem. Many options and things going for this pokemon, making it something that provides a lot for almost any team in one way or another. Such things increase usage. It's even pretty good vs itself as a switch-in in various situations, leading to an even higher usage because people often use it to deal with it or atleast handle it a bit more flexibly. Hope i gave you some ideas and sufficient examples as to why this pokemon is pretty good, and one of the most used ones in both single and doubles(in the formats it is allowed in anyways). If you want more details for any of the points i made(i kept them all pretty short and left stuff out), feel free to ask :)
Although very few play this way, there are two starters that have important support functionality. I'm surprised Inteleon made it to C-tier off of its offense alone! I would place it the same solely for its speed. It's the fastest pokemon available for Water Pledge and Soak so it can be a fun partner to use with Venusaur! The other I wanna mention is Sceptile, who I found can be useful for very specific things. Access to Worry Seed, Brutal Swing, a somewhat strong one-use Leaf Storm, etc. lets it perform on particular teams (Regigagigas + WP Metagross, for example). With unberden available too, I think D-tier is reasonable for our leafy boi purely because it can do SOMETHING (unlike meganium and torterra rip)
Doesn't matter..when ur using hacked Pokemon and cheating ..the creator of the hack called him and a bunch of other competitive players out for having hacked Pokemon there is no competitive scene they all use hacked Pokemon.. it's all a joke now they ruined competitive Pokemon ...if we was hard on cheaters and there was actually some repercussions maybe the competitive scene would have more integrity.. maybe a fans didn't put their fingers in their ears and say no no instead of looking it up there will be more integrity but there isn't it's all a joke
A bit sad that Delphox is so low considering that it has the third highest special attack of all the starters at 114 and a decent speed stat of 104. Oh well
@@W417on he called facade 'fah chey dee', if you are ever in doubt the answer is that Wolfey is not the normal one. But he is awesome at pokemon. I think he does it on purpose sometimes honestly.
Pronouncing my favorite "decidueye" as "deck-ee-dew-ey" 😅. The portmanteau is "deciduous" and "eye" so I believe it's more like "dee-sid-you-eye". Also Cinder - Ace. Like ace on a soccer team.
Most of the starters you said were bad here were actually good in some fashion in Smogon singles in their last appearance, and in national dex or gen 7 ou, you can make a viable team of only starters. infernape is a fantastic lead, serperior is good to snowball or for speed control, swampert is a bulky water, primarina can effectively use sub cm sets in national dex, Charizard y for sun or Charizard x if serperior has screens. Venusaur if you use Charizard y, Greninja to get up spikes to complement infernape's rocks as well as pivot with uturn. Blaziken is Blaziken. Empoleon if you want hazard removal with defog. Typhlosion can click scarf eruption, feraligatr can set up behind screens from serperior. sceptile can also be used for speed control with unburden. chesnaught is a good physical tank. Incineroar still has intimidate in singles so that can also be used well. basically most of them can be good in some way
One thing I like about cinderace that few people seem to talk about is it's other signature move court change. A lot of people don't run it in preferance of other moves I find a lot of people don't expect it when you use it. The ability to move your opponents entry hazards that they set up and put them on their side of the field is huge.
So considering you think Incineroar may be the best VGC Pokémon of all time, I would love to see in your opinion on what other Pokémon could fight for that title. Maybe a tier list of the best Pokémon of all time!?
RayRay is 100% the greatest Pokemon ever made. The looks, the stats, Bangs in the games, bangs in the anime, BANGS in the tcg. Some Pokemon do some things better but there is no Pokemon that does absolutely everything top tier except Ray.
hey wolfey can you do a new video on how to make a competitive team?(and also) I barley discovered your channel abt a month or so and I have been addicted to your vids👍🏽keep up the beautiful work
Would love to see this a regular type of video, both at the beginning of a competitive season and at the end of a competitive season.. or when a game releases and a couple of months after a major release when competitive has reacted.
Crying for Meganium, the most despided starter ever. She should have get a Mega, just for the fun of having a MegaMeganium. And all the stat boost of the mega should go to its defense and special defense.
@Arnav Vijaywargiya I loved gen 2, the only one that added features without cuting anything (but the Safari). I always felt that with Feraligatr and Thyplosion they tried to recreate the success of Blastoise and Charizard. But with Meganium they tried something different regarding Venusaur. It was the first ever 'mon to be defensive oriented, and tried to appeal to a less brute audience. Such a shame how GF has mistreated it.
Johto starters are just so underwhelming that i find their second stages better designed then the final stage lol.. Quilava and Bayleef especially looks way cooler imo
Never understood why the starters aren't better like... These are the Pokemon that people get first and get attached too. It doesn't make sense that they don't make them good.
@@richard35791 Have you ever heard of spread damage reduction. VGC in all fairness is pretty balanced. Except in restricted formats… sigh, when will game freak ever learn.
@@isaaclim8645 That's fair. Mine are he's, but there are females. My Tyranitars are always female so I nickname them "The Queen" and consider it a default female Pokemon.
Sceptile is one of the few Pokemon that actually got nerfed by the physical/special split because it had good quality move access to quite a few special types giving it great special coverage, and basically all of those moves later became physical like Leaf Blade, Crunch, Thunder Punch, and Dragon Claw, and its special movepool now isn't as good. Energy Ball and Dragon Pulse made up for the grass and dragon coverage, but it has basically nothing more than that, I think its only other special type coverage it really has is through Focus Blast. It's just unfortunate because you can tell it's meant to be a specially oriented mixed attacker, which is supported by its mega getting lightningrod, but it has no special coverage to make use of its okay stats.
I agree with you. But after all, grass still bad for that stats. I think Sceptile can be better if mege form give second type which support attacker like Rock, ground or Psychic.
Rumours are Fire/Ghost, Grass/Fighting and Water/Dark. Those could all have some really great niches if they jumble the stats around too and improve the movepools.
Gen 1, 2 and 3 starters will always be special for me. Sure its some nostalgia, but imo only few of the other starters come close to the first 3 gens in terms of design. Too many of the new starters got overly cool or cute designs which makes them not original at all.
it's always so interesting learning how different pokemon do in a competitive context compared to my experience using them in casual play I'm most familiar with gen 4, recently even started playing pokemon platinum, and Turtwig's always been an astounding part of my team. with my first attempt at renegade platinum being every rule from a hardcore nuzlocke except for permadeath itself (since I find the team building with limited encounters to be the fun part) my +ATK Turtwig has been a star of my team but obviously competitive pokemon - especially modern competitive with all the power creep that seems to be one of the biggest factors - it makes sense that Torterra just being a generic bulky physical attacker doesn't get it anywhere special also reminds me of the time a friend berated me for choosing Turtwig as my starter every time because "don't you know Torterra has a 4 times weakness to ice?" not sure why he thought that was such a big deal, as I could just. not use Torterra against ice types
I think Greninja would be good if it was legal, at least as good as Blastoise. I think you underrated Primarina and Cinderace too, just because they were both extremely good at different points in the generation. I think all 3 of those should be A tier if Blastoise is. I think Venu and Zard are better in context though both are rather sun dependent
Greninja would lose HP. That would make it like Cinderace as a fast and frail limited type changing monster. In VGC most mons with that type of build don't work very well. It would have uses and Dynamax would give it much needed bulk but there are better fast attackers. A tier is insane damage output and viable sets. S tier is this mon literally warps the metagame around them. Charizard and Venasaur are amazing without dynamax only on sun teams.
In your opinion, what sets the Kanto starters apart from the Johto starters when they have the same base stats and typing? For example, Charizard and Typhlosion have identical stats, what makes Charizard so much better in your opinion?
What kikiriki said pretty much. Single matches take far, far longer even if the games are somewhat offensive. If two very defensive teams meet, you can end up looking at easily over a hundred turns. That's not really viable for any event with a schedule. It's probably also harder to make it very entertaining for an audience, altho i personally never felt an issue with it when i was participating or watching singles events. Singles has a lot of popularity in general, so its not like you're going to struggle to find people to play with if you're interested :)
I remember getting to #1 with the ssmash offensive btoise with terrain pulse (when u've got boom in the back) ....does a ton to lapras/milotic/fini and ogre (without much investment ) And we all know....how Good the wacan set is in s11....ofc it's got a plethora of support moves /fake out and the residual damage from gmax cannonade is top notch....easily the best anti-koal/coal proc
The only thing I don't agree with is Feraligatr being lower than Samurott. Samurott is mixed but doesn't really shine in either while Feraligatr has better defenses, slightly more speed and can deal more damage thanks to Sheer Force + Life Orb. Not that either would be very viable but I'd say they should either be in the same tier or switch places.
I haven't kept up with the VGC meta since Smash Ultimate came out, so it's pretty funny to see that Incineroar is a meta-shaping s-tier, considering he's a low tier in smash. No trick room to offset slow speed, and thank god for that lol
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I think it would be cool to hear your opinion on how to improve all the starters in the C, D, and F tiers so they could be on par with the A and B tier ones. Kinda like how you improved Cynthia's team.
Yes!!
definitely give Delphox Meteor Beam to synergies with Magician.
This would be sick!
Empoleon needs Competitive instead of Defiant, for one, or swapped Physical Attack and Special Attack
Great idea
I still can't believe they gave Incineroar that was on 80% of all teams a move like parting shot yet they took levitate away from Gengar because "it was too strong"
what pisses me of even more is that inceneroar and a-persian gets parting shot but my boy liepard doesn't, like really? liepard is just so close to be actually good, it just need some small buffs like this
So that's why I couldn't get levitate Gengar? I knew something was off but I can't believe they did that
@@diegovaldez927 yeah Gengar no longer gets levitate in any way
Gotta boost those Incineroar merch sales.
gengar losing levitate is easily top 10 worst mechanics changes in the games ever
I got an idea after you talked about Incinerator:
Rank every Meta's most broken Pokemon with each other based on how broken they were in their respective best Meta
Don't remember the name of the video, but he had one like 2 or 3 months ago about that. Think it was called "Most annoying Pokemon" or something like that.
@@Anthony43135 I found it, it's called "Top Ten most Toxic Pokemon" and it was uploaded one and a half years ago on the 25.4.2020
INCINEROAR, NOT INCINERATOR!
Please
Love it
"I would recommend not to use any pokemon in D or F tier"
Guy playing Heartgold/Soulsilver:
HGSS Guy: what do I do then Wolfe…..
ah the blizzard-pokemon crossover we've all been waiting for
That is an entirely different meta then this video is about. This is a VGC 2021-2022 video. HGSS is a play through with significantly less powercreep.
@@RFDN0 issa joke
He's kinda right tho. All gen 2 starters were done dirty especially feraligater before the phy/spc split.
Feraligatr seems so close to there, but the stars never quite aligned in the right way. The Physical Special Split and its Hidden Ability would've been huge if they'd come earlier. If it had gotten a Mega or mmaybe a Gmax that could nudge it into viability. The Gen 2 starters never seemed to get the preferential treatment starters generally get.
Fr lmao, Feraligatr has the potential, but it just isn't quite there. Just a few slight nudges and it could reach viability, but it's just slightly off in almost every single way
I’m assuming this is for VGC cause gatr in showdown is pretty good.
Honestly? The gen 2 POKEMON are a case of not quite there. Dozen or so pre evolutions. An evo to a stall pokemon that was already a godtier stall pokemon on its own. Mono typing for a bunch of categories that were dual typing. Bout the only good thing out of the 100 mons they added that is still incredible to this day is the pseudo legendary which should be a given anyway
@@212mochaman scizor and skarmory had their times to shine too they’re 2 of the standout mons of gen 2 along with T Tar imo
@@sGzBugz forgot about them. I actually always thought skarm was gen 3 lol
it's so sad that empoleon is bad. its unique typing is insane but the stats just can't back it up.
it's typing ain't the best, but it's definitely nice
I made it to almost top 100 on the showdown bdsp ladder with Empoleon. Swords Dance/ Aqua Jet gets busy on most pokes in the format. Drill peck is good for grass types, mainly ludicolo/ breloom, and earthquake works for elec types
@@__shoe__ 1 Immunity, 10(!) resistances and only 3 weaknesses is incredible defensively.
It's 3 weaknesses are on the common side, but they're easily covered by a bulky grass type. It swaps Fire for an Electric weakness, due to the grass type defensive synergy I'd normally say that's a good swap if not for Regieleki.
Offensively, sure, not amazing; mainly because it gets walled by Water/Electric types pretty hard.
(Though it does get EQ, and most Electric types are squishy enough to fall over to a boosted non-STAB EQ.)
@@Bladius_ yea it's typing is good defensively but the offense isn't the best
I read bald. I've watched too much alphard deluxe
Thanks for the generous B tier for Serperior. I love it as well
Serperior is amazing, ik I'm biased as hell because it's my favorite pokemon but it's so fun to use both comoetitively in singles and in normal playthroughs with a coil set, there aren't many speedy tanks out there and that's also why Serperior feels so unique
@@alejandropetit6573 this list is based off doubles….
@@ColgatetheTogekiss Yeah ik, I'm just rambling about why I like Serperior
Snake gang
I think he talks about it in another video but Serperior actually has results so it def deserves a higher spot
"Both Charizard and Venusaur are very dependent on sun being up to really shine..."
S-Tier pun he just waltzes past in his commentary.
Gen 1: Solid staple pokemon
Gen 2: Sequels are never good
Gen 3: We prefer 1v1s
Gen 4: What gen 3 said
Gen 5: We're pretty good
Gen 6: We rely on looks for our popularity
Gen 7: Inceneroar
Gen 8: Who's Inteleon?
This might be controversial but imo gen 6 has by far the worst looking starters. Greninja is cool and all but the other two are so damn ugly imo
@@Niclasla i think yours is actually the population opinion. I see chesnaught and delphox get shit on all the time
@@isaaclim8645 really? I was always under the impression that the pokemon community loved everything about gen 6 and that i was one of the few that despises x and y. I really like the gen 7 starters a lot and always liked sun and moon
In Terms of looks from best to worst my list would go something like this:
Gen 1
Gen 7
Gen 4
Gen 8
Gen 3
Gen 2
Gen 5
Gen 6
@@Niclasla why do you think Greninja gets so much love? Because it doesn't have any competition from the other 2 starters.. initially froakie was the least popular until the next stages were revealed.. and ppl were so disappointed with the other 2 that greninja shot up in popularity
@@isaaclim8645 fast and strong, easiest archetype to not fuck up not just in stats but design
been loving this new wolfe teirlist meta
:)
Wolfe tierlist tierlist
@@WolfeyVGC hey quick question how is empoleon gonna max
It isn't in swsh?
@@midteirgamer idk if im right but in most tier lists he says imagine if it was in this current meta/ if it was currently in the game
@@midteirgamer it's imagining if they were in the game.
I think radical red did a good job buffing meganium. Added fairy type and gave it triage. Priority giga drain, draining kiss, plus leech seed and protect help make the most of its bulk
Inclement Emerald did this too, it's huge for Meganium. They also gave it Flower Veil as a regular ability which is insane on a Grass type, that alone made Chikorita worth picking most of the time.
priority giga drain is broken if that used to venusaur
so its just better comfey
@@monky4640 Hmm yeah it does step on Comfey's niche. Maybe you'd take away heal pulse from Meganium so it doesn't take Comfey's support role in doubles
I wish they did that in official game
i literally watched the old version of this last night and thought to myself “man i wish there was an updated version of the starter mon tier list”
I was so confused when you said “Deki-dew-eye” for Decidueye 😅
I have always read it like Deciduous (like the tree category).
“Deh-sid-you-eye”=Decidueye
You're 100% right man.
Watch Pokémon Challenges and it’ll make sense
Ahhh, I remember my first Wolfey wideo.
Jigga Impact
he purposefully mispronounces certain pokemon
I feel torterra *can* work in trick room, esp. with curse, but its low spdef and ice weakness are the biggest things holding it back
Could build it to be like almost all bulk with most of it into sp def and use assault vest, but then it's like spending almost all investment just to counter it's mass inherent weakness. Doable yeah, easy no
I always thought that it should get thick fat as a hidden ability but I’m biased to my favorite starter
@@sethmosleyify i love torterra and septile
Hearing that Blastoise is in A tier when I have no idea about the competitive scene makes me feel good as someone who collects everything Blastoise I can get my hands on,
Noticed that all the starters from Pokémon legends are in D tier hopefully they’ll get new final evolution forms and can move up the tiers
You mean regieional forms? They have to start from the first pokemon in the evolution line to get the regional variant, I don't think any pokemon has started a an original variant and then changed varitan in the final evolution.
Considering the trailer shows all the starters to be original forms, I don't think they're getting any new regional forms, but perhaps they get different abiltites/stats change to be more vaiable.
Then again, Legends: Arceus is not mainline game so I don't think there will be any competitive battling on that format....If there even is multiplayer at all.
@@aquilleswinkler5051 Pichu-Pikachu-Alolan Raichu
@@majima5397 you got me.
So there may be hope for some crazy final evolution for the 3 starters after all!
@@aquilleswinkler5051 you stand corrected
@@aquilleswinkler5051 This didn't age that well but it aged better than most
I'm sure this is a common sentiment, but as someone who has only ever been familiar with single battle smogon stuff, seeing the insane difference in perspective is nuts.
Yeah, Blaziken is nuts in singles. I do see why it is not good in Doubles. Bad bulk and 4 move syndrome have always held it back but add in a Protect guessing game with someone coming to smack it, with an exclusively single-target movepool and you have a terrible doubles Pokemon.
Wolfey: I think it's funny that the A-tier pokemon were all Kanto Starters.
Also Wolfey's face: -_-
So interesting seeing VGC/Doubles tiers! I play singles the odd time I do play competitive, seeing Charizard so high and Blaziken so low is kinda mind bendy
Take a shot every time Wolfey mentions Regieleki lmao
I feel like if Blastoise is in A tier, Primarina should be there as well. I mean, if B+ were a thing, both of them would be there anyway(even though toise is better) so I don’t think it’s viable separating them like that.
I would be curious to see a Wolfe video where he breaks down what he thinks the strongest possible pokemon team would be (all mons, all generational gimmicks, etc). I think it could be a super interesting concept
Six copies of Mega Kangaskhan :)
6 xerneas
a team of six intimidaters
Lando-T
Incineroar
Hitmontop
Salamence
Mawile-Mega
Gyarados-mega
@@HardikAgarwal10 Any pokemon with competetive, defiant, etc would sweep that team
I second that
So pretty much like this
Kanto: Solid
Johto: Bad
Hoenn and Sinnoh: good at 1v1
Unvoa: Decent
Kalos: Meh
Alola: Incineroar
Galar: Pretty good
here's hoping that legends does samurott justice
...and that we can actually use it in a game other than legends in the near future
@Mikal Edmunds very much agreed. i love samurott as is, i just wish he was better in battle and i'm hoping that a regional evo can give him a bit of a boost
The leaker has been very credible for a long time now each new form, pokemon that keeps getting revealed is true. Even stuff like the diglet underground feature was hinted at by the leaker so it's safe to say it Is coming. Whether we can use it this gen remains to be seen. Hoping we can with the home update
@Mikal Edmunds same I'm excited for oshawott getting some love as it's my favorite of the 3 starters from Unova haha.
@Mikal Edmunds how? your first is gen 5?
Yall happy?
With all the powercreep going on, I'd love for most of the starters (and most other pokémon to be honest) to get a revamp/rebalance to their movepools and stats.
Especially the Johto starters haven't gotten any love and it shows. I really like Meganium but it always feels like it misses any sort of niche to go with it's OK bulk and it's movepool is really bad.
Same goes for Typhlosion, it's specced as a special attacker but the majority of it's movepool is physical which really hurts. Sceptile has this problem too but atleast it has Sword's Dance.
I hoped that the rebalancing and move distribution would've come with Sword and Shield with the TR system, but now I hope we just get a big rebalance in gen 9 or whatever comes after Legends of Arceus. Not all pokémon have to be fantastic but I'd like for most 'mon to have a solid niche or gameplan going forward.
i love chikorita and meganium too they are my first ever starter so they have a special place in my heart. However, powercreep make it kind of impossible to use it effectively.
I completely agree with this comment typholosion and meganium are prolly the worst out all the starters they really dont do much and need love atleast for fraligatr he isnt bad with sheer force and dragon dance but the other 2 are left in the dust
I love the Johto starts so much, hurts how bad they are 😂
@@ducky36F mybe some day when they bring mega evolutions in th re remake of silver and gold lol but jokes aside alot of johto mons in general need buffs they just keep making stronger and better mons to use over them
johto always sucks, whether theres power creep or not.
I love chesnaught a LOT but I feel like his potential got heavily underestimated due to Talonflame's meta during Gen 6, still love the guy, really bulky and the salac berry + belly drum + substitute was super fun although super hard to pull out
Even though Feraligatr is my favorite, I absolutely agree. He has honestly been left behind for a long time in the meta (as have the other gen 2 starters tbh) and needs some help.
Honestly Pokémon that are outdated, should stay outdated. Why help an old Pokémon when you could focus on new ones?
If it was bad from the start, it’s just a waste to try improve it more.
@@S3verusMyG Tell THAT to every Kanto and Johto mon with a Mega and/or G-Max form
i feel that cause same, even with sheer force it just gets outclassed. feelsbad
i think Pokemon adding new stuff to the gen 1 starters every gen is getting old. the gen 1 starters have had mega evolutions and gigantamaxes, i'd love to see other starters getting a bit of attention. anything that isnt charizard really, i'm getting sick of it
@@pinkkam Empoleon fan here. Preach
Once the Indigo Disk comes out, you should re-visit this list to see how some of the abilities/new forms have affected these standings!
Decidueye might be D tier competitively, but lets just agree its design is S tier
It's A tier at best
The wings move really awkwardly.
S+
A tier at best
Rowlet is S tier, decidueye is A
If Typhlosion was just a little faster and got better special coverage I think it definitely be viable. Drought + choice specs Eruption and solar beams would be fun.
In my opinion, Feraligator should be in the C-tier. Sheer Force + Life Orb, Dragon Dance, coverage in Ice Punch and Earthquake, etc.
Feraligatr is a 10 letter name, NOT an 11 letter name! There is no vowel between the T and the R!
Sigh. I always misspell Feraligatr. 🤦♂️
I love when random youtube commenters try to correct actual world champions like they know better
@@neppy0021 And I love it when random RUclips commenters don’t know the difference between correcting someone and stating his/her opinion on something.
@@snapclub8751 well it's not really an opinion when it comes to competitive pokemon, some are objectively bad (meganium, feraligatr) while some are objectively broken (incineroar)
Crzy how the first gen starters still hold weight, feels good to be a 90s baby
I'm using inteleon paired with kyoger as a counter to the weezing/ gigas strat. Using g max snipe shot, you can oko weezing and it goes through protect.
9:45 I Used Leaf Storm + Contrary For A While And If You Get Two Or More Leaf Storms,You Could Probably Do A Mini Sweep
Not really, you easily get ganged up on by both your opponents mon. It’s defense is good, but can’t are too many hits. Maybe with support like with follow me Clefairy it can be very good.
5:50 it took 350 seconds for him to mention incineroar
"Sceptile is a moderately fast Grass type"
Mega Sceptile has the highest base speed of any Grass type, and Sceptile has the 3rd highest behind Shaymin (Sky-Form). If you're including Chlorophyll then yes there are faster Grass types but Sceptile is definitely a speedster
But with freaks of nature like Venusaur and Rillaboom running around, there isn't a need for a fast grass type that gets destroyed by Regieleki.
Seriously, Chesnaught has potential to be a beast!
I used a set of: Substitute, Bellydrum, the Berry that raises speed when at 25% max HP and Drain Punch
It can really wreck shop with that combo
Max airstream...
where did you use it? in game? 1. with 64 base speed you wont outspeed a lot of things even at +1 one and the belly drum set up is just not worth it. that does not even factor in that your opponent might have some sort of speed control, like trick room, tailwind or electro web from eleki. 2. a +6 chesnaught prob wont even hit THAT hard if you compare it to certain threads. 3. chestnaught gets no priority moves as far as i know... bellydrum is almost exclusiv used on pokemon with strong STAB priority attacks (linoon extrem speed, azumarill aquajet) to hit already weakened threads or those who cant be outspeeded 4. dynamax is a thing - u wont on-hit-KO a dynamaxed something even at +6 and just get revenge killed by a flying type boost
@@walder69 I mean it had some usage in gen 6 before dynamax existed but even then it was a small niche and was hard to setup without being completely blown out by a hard counter of some sort. It was definitely a real set that was used on teams though and if you weren't ready for it you could just straight up lose to it
this list is pretty representative of power creep. All the lower mons are a lot older, except kanto, but we know those pokemon will never go away. The johto pokemon got especially screwed because they were too late for nostalgia to carry them and too early to get any interesting mechanics.
I'm excited for arceus because all 3 of its starters really need some love.
Represented by Tier
Gen 1: AAA
Gen 2: DFF
Gen 3: BCF
Gen 4: CCF
Gen 5: BDD
Gen 6: BCD
Gen 7: SBD
Gen 8: SBC
If we add up the score out the scores (F = 1 - S = 6), the ranking goes as follows.
Gen 1 = 15
Gen 8 = 13
Gen 7 = 12
Gen 6 = 9
Gen 3 = 8
Gen 5 = 8
Gen 2 = 4
Overall, I think it's fair to say there's some power creep with the most recent 2 generations and obviously gen 2 is bad. But 6, 3, and 5 are actually very similar. I put 3 over 5 since swampert is likely better than serperior by a decent margin, but this is much more balanced than I was expecting. More than power creep itself, it just seems like certain mons are better able to abuse certain formats, giving newer mons homefield advantage. Obvi that does not apply to incineroar at all, and if terrains continue to stay as they are, rillaboom will likely maintain that momentum too.
It is an interesting look though.
also worth noting that Sceptile's special movepool is ass (STAB, Dragon Pulse, and Focus Miss, as well as Hidden Power whiling it lasted)
whiling it's movepool off of it's lower atk (85 vs 105) is much better, including but not limited to Drain Punch, Thunder Punch, Rock Slide, Earthquake, Acrobatics, Sword Dance, Dragon Dance
but as i said, it's on the wrong side, that's why people have been asking to swap Sceptile's 85 atk and 105 sp. atk to begin with.
Sceptile's stats are literally a relic of the pre physical-special split days, and becomes sad for it
Honestly the best channel making Pokemon content on the platform
If only Emboar was in the current meta, I'm biased cause it's my favorite Pokémon but I think it could honestly do some damage with a choice scarf to improve its speed and use its hidden ability to take advantage of its moves.
When it came out Infernape was easily an S tier starter, it really only fell behind because it wasn’t given any buffs, mega evolution, or giant forms like the Gen 1 were getting
I've been seeing a LOT of Kyore and Groudon in this current meta, and rillaboom is my response to them.
Man I miss abomasnow rillaboom just has the weirdest looking face
@@AlphaladZXA *m o n k e*
I keep hearing about Rillaboom and how good it is because of Grassy Glide, and all I can think is "This monkey will instantly be out of a job the moment Bulu gets Grassy Glide too!"
Ok, after watching some of the eevee-lution videos recently, I wanna see Wolfe get to #1 in the world with 3 starters from his F, D and C teirs respectively. Rest of the team is free game
I dont play competitive but the fact Delphox isnt in F makes me happy.
The way that Cinderace and Rillaboom are amazing and nobody talks about Inteleon…
What. Is. A. 'Deck-a-dew-ee'. It is 'de-sid-you-eye'. I really hope that is a running gag I don't know about, because that hurt my soul.
I feel that samurott has a niche. It has access to swords dance and a fairly diverse attack pool, but with the meta in mind at most it's a C tier Mon
no no if samurott is c tier, then empoleon and infernape ahould be b tier
Ran a Blaziken on a support set with Feather Dance, endure, fire pledge, and aurasphere @focus sash or the swag petaya berry for the endure play.
With a gmax venusaur for the mega DoTs! I could fire and grass pledge to do a fire field and then gmax vine lash later. It was a fun play when it worked, and now I always consider the pledges if I want to max with a gen 1 starter 😁👌
Hey, I am pretty unfamiliar with competitive Pokemon but I find these videos interesting-
What’s the deal with landorous? Why does he come up as a point of comparison?
Because landorous is one of the most used pokemon
Play pokemon showdown to get in competitive.
@@snowygear3516 Why's that? What makes him so good, specifically?
@@MrStarman926 A few things.
-Landourus-T(the other form is far less relevant, altho is usable) has intimidate, which is one of the best abilities in the game. It drops the attack of opposing pokemon by 1 stage(33% damage reduction assuming no other changes at the time). In doubles, intimidate hits both opposing pokemon, so its a good way to control the field.
-It has stats spread in a way that are very beneficial for certain competitive roles(pokemon are usually categorized into those in comp. play, sort of like tank dps healer in rpgs and such), which can range from (bulky)physical sweeper to physical tank for Lando. It's very high attack make it pretty threatening at all times, no matter what exactly it does decide to go for.
-U-Turn is an amazing support move to generate momentum. Infact, Lando-T's movepool in general has rather good coverage. Rock Slide, Earthquake, Swords Dance, Rockpolish, U-Turn, Stone Edge, Grass Knot, Brick Break, Fly are just some of the more common moves it has access to, which are staple moves in competitive play one way or another.
-Lando-T has great typing, Ground/Flying offers good STAB, nice immunities/resistances, they cover each other reasonable well and are generally just some of the more useful types to have on mons. Those types in particular are quite nice at dealing with physical pokemon in many cases, which is exactly what Lando likes doing anyway.
I didn't mention everything here, just some of the major points first coming to mind. The bottom line really is that this pokemon has a very well-rounded full package going for it that serves a competitive purpose amazingly well. All these things i mentioned work well together to allow this pokemon to perform a variety of roles on teams in both singles and doubles. Some examples of how these points add up could be:
-U-Turn allows for consistent intimidate pivoting and overall flexiblity, which creates even more opportunities to abuse this advantage and natural bulk(which helps with consistent switching).
-It's bulk(including intimidate) make it easier to abuse its swords dance and amazing earthquake/rockslide combo, and its nice speedtier either allow instant threatening, or because of its nice EV spread, you can run a bulkier version that makes it even harder to kill it, and instead support it with speedcontrol like tailwind.
-It's typing+stats allows it to serve as a blanket check for many big common threats such as garchomp.
-The high amount of flexibility in regards to competitive EV,move and item-choices can make it very hard to know the best course of action, often leading to suboptimal play before sufficient information is gathered. You can minimize this issue with proper option coverage, and in some formats you are given this info upfront, but it can be a problem.
Many options and things going for this pokemon, making it something that provides a lot for almost any team in one way or another. Such things increase usage. It's even pretty good vs itself as a switch-in in various situations, leading to an even higher usage because people often use it to deal with it or atleast handle it a bit more flexibly. Hope i gave you some ideas and sufficient examples as to why this pokemon is pretty good, and one of the most used ones in both single and doubles(in the formats it is allowed in anyways). If you want more details for any of the points i made(i kept them all pretty short and left stuff out), feel free to ask :)
@@LOLSpellsingerXD This was an insanely good run down, thank you, if I can think of anything specific Ill be sure to respond again
I had a minor stroke trying to figure out what he just said when I was tabbed out and heard him say "decky dewy"
Although very few play this way, there are two starters that have important support functionality.
I'm surprised Inteleon made it to C-tier off of its offense alone! I would place it the same solely for its speed. It's the fastest pokemon available for Water Pledge and Soak so it can be a fun partner to use with Venusaur!
The other I wanna mention is Sceptile, who I found can be useful for very specific things. Access to Worry Seed, Brutal Swing, a somewhat strong one-use Leaf Storm, etc. lets it perform on particular teams (Regigagigas + WP Metagross, for example). With unberden available too, I think D-tier is reasonable for our leafy boi purely because it can do SOMETHING (unlike meganium and torterra rip)
also Sceptile gets Unburden + Grassy Pledge which, while unreliable, is at least *something* unique
Doesn't matter..when ur using hacked Pokemon and cheating ..the creator of the hack called him and a bunch of other competitive players out for having hacked Pokemon there is no competitive scene they all use hacked Pokemon.. it's all a joke now they ruined competitive Pokemon ...if we was hard on cheaters and there was actually some repercussions maybe the competitive scene would have more integrity.. maybe a fans didn't put their fingers in their ears and say no no instead of looking it up there will be more integrity but there isn't it's all a joke
torterra actually can do something tho with stab earthquake , d minus tier
I didn't say anything that agreed or disagreed with the strat. What I was saying is it's all a joke because they use hacked Pokemon ... Why cheat
A bit sad that Delphox is so low considering that it has the third highest special attack of all the starters at 114 and a decent speed stat of 104. Oh well
Why is Sammourot higher than Feraligatr? Seems like Fera is just objectively better and hits way harder? 🤔
"Serperior has a unique niche in contrary leaf storm"
Lurantis: (Sobbing in the corner)
Decidueye
Normal Person: Deh - sid - you - eye
Wolfey: 'deki dooey'
lol
Okay I was worried I'd been pronouncing it wrong, glad to know I'm the normal one
@@W417on he called facade 'fah chey dee', if you are ever in doubt the answer is that Wolfey is not the normal one. But he is awesome at pokemon. I think he does it on purpose sometimes honestly.
Wolfe really did my boy Swampert like that.
Imagine disrespecting an obvious S-tier Pokémon like that. Smh.
Pronouncing my favorite "decidueye" as "deck-ee-dew-ey" 😅. The portmanteau is "deciduous" and "eye" so I believe it's more like "dee-sid-you-eye". Also Cinder - Ace. Like ace on a soccer team.
Part of me dies inside whenever I hear people pronouncing it "deck-i-dew-ee"
If you heard mon' names mispronounced in this channel, most of the time its a running gag
Hes the world champion lmao, I'm pretty sure he knows
Really appreciate the editing
Most of the starters you said were bad here were actually good in some fashion in Smogon singles in their last appearance, and in national dex or gen 7 ou, you can make a viable team of only starters. infernape is a fantastic lead, serperior is good to snowball or for speed control, swampert is a bulky water, primarina can effectively use sub cm sets in national dex, Charizard y for sun or Charizard x if serperior has screens. Venusaur if you use Charizard y, Greninja to get up spikes to complement infernape's rocks as well as pivot with uturn. Blaziken is Blaziken. Empoleon if you want hazard removal with defog. Typhlosion can click scarf eruption, feraligatr can set up behind screens from serperior. sceptile can also be used for speed control with unburden. chesnaught is a good physical tank. Incineroar still has intimidate in singles so that can also be used well. basically most of them can be good in some way
Yeah but he's talking VGC so your point is moot
This is vgc. This take isn't bad but atleast know what the man is talking about before you write a book.
I could (and do) listen to you tierlisting pokemon stuff all day
Feralitor will one shot any Pokemon with life orb sheer force and one ddance
Rillaboom and Regieliki go brrrr.
@@Dr._is_sleepy they don't exist in bdsp but yeah they have destroyed any water type
You want a sheer force life orb Pokémon? Pick Landorus-Incarnate. Its speed is higher than 101 and ground is an amazing offensive type.
One thing I like about cinderace that few people seem to talk about is it's other signature move court change.
A lot of people don't run it in preferance of other moves I find a lot of people don't expect it when you use it. The ability to move your opponents entry hazards that they set up and put them on their side of the field is huge.
So considering you think Incineroar may be the best VGC Pokémon of all time, I would love to see in your opinion on what other Pokémon could fight for that title. Maybe a tier list of the best Pokémon of all time!?
RayRay is 100% the greatest Pokemon ever made. The looks, the stats, Bangs in the games, bangs in the anime, BANGS in the tcg. Some Pokemon do some things better but there is no Pokemon that does absolutely everything top tier except Ray.
@@SM-sf1xy Mega* Ray is pretty good. Regular Rayquaza loses to Kyogre 10 out of 10 times.
@@SM-sf1xy Rayquaza? It's not even the best of it's trio lmao, anywhere.
@@Pinkjaket1 Only if it manages to somehow get hit first, otherwise it wrecks Kyogre (unless somebody has a terrible Rayquaza)
@@DracoSafarius Wrong, Rayquaza cannot 1 shot Kyogre, but Kyogre can 1 shot Ray.
Incineroar is my favorite pokemon of all times not by its op-ness in competitive, but the overall design is just grrrreeeat. I love Tigers
Johto starters need better moves
hey wolfey can you do a new video on how to make a competitive team?(and also) I barley discovered your channel abt a month or so and I have been addicted to your vids👍🏽keep up the beautiful work
Glad you judged them based on today's format instead of just their design like most people and so glad that Primarina's the best B tier user.
Would love to see this a regular type of video, both at the beginning of a competitive season and at the end of a competitive season.. or when a game releases and a couple of months after a major release when competitive has reacted.
Crying for Meganium, the most despided starter ever. She should have get a Mega, just for the fun of having a MegaMeganium. And all the stat boost of the mega should go to its defense and special defense.
@Arnav Vijaywargiya I loved gen 2, the only one that added features without cuting anything (but the Safari). I always felt that with Feraligatr and Thyplosion they tried to recreate the success of Blastoise and Charizard. But with Meganium they tried something different regarding Venusaur. It was the first ever 'mon to be defensive oriented, and tried to appeal to a less brute audience. Such a shame how GF has mistreated it.
Johto starters are just so underwhelming that i find their second stages better designed then the final stage lol.. Quilava and Bayleef especially looks way cooler imo
@Marshadow megameganiumium
Never understood why the starters aren't better like... These are the Pokemon that people get first and get attached too. It doesn't make sense that they don't make them good.
Nice to see the Kanto starters setting the standards and just dominating the A-tier 😆
thats just bs lol, charizard defensively is a bit frail
@@richard35791 we not taking about singles
@@kushgodreturns5873 doubles competitive in overall make earthquake and other double move too op, throw balance of the game
@@richard35791 Have you ever heard of spread damage reduction. VGC in all fairness is pretty balanced. Except in restricted formats… sigh, when will game freak ever learn.
"for all the Delphox fans" i feel so validated
edit, five seconds later: oh.............
The kanto starters are so fast for no reason, venusaur and blastoise look like they should be slow
They aren't but Chlorophyll is busted
"Swampert is B tier"
YEEEEEEEEEEEEES!
THE BEST HOENN STARTER LESGOOOOOOOOOOO
They removed Knock Off from Incineroar between the generations so he is totally not busted now ;)
DO NOT CALL INCINEROAR A HE!
@@Amelia4111 what?
@@Amelia4111 it's 87.5% male and very masculine
@@thatduck8000 so she can still be a female
@@isaaclim8645 That's fair. Mine are he's, but there are females. My Tyranitars are always female so I nickname them "The Queen" and consider it a default female Pokemon.
Highlight of the year: Wolfe says the word “sus” for the first time ever.
This list is actually wrong because squirtle is the most broken starter there is.
Sceptile is one of the few Pokemon that actually got nerfed by the physical/special split because it had good quality move access to quite a few special types giving it great special coverage, and basically all of those moves later became physical like Leaf Blade, Crunch, Thunder Punch, and Dragon Claw, and its special movepool now isn't as good. Energy Ball and Dragon Pulse made up for the grass and dragon coverage, but it has basically nothing more than that, I think its only other special type coverage it really has is through Focus Blast. It's just unfortunate because you can tell it's meant to be a specially oriented mixed attacker, which is supported by its mega getting lightningrod, but it has no special coverage to make use of its okay stats.
I agree with you. But after all, grass still bad for that stats. I think Sceptile can be better if mege form give second type which support attacker like Rock, ground or Psychic.
I love Empoleon too. But I guess it's just better in playthroughs then competitive.
Rumours are Fire/Ghost, Grass/Fighting and Water/Dark.
Those could all have some really great niches if they jumble the stats around too and improve the movepools.
I mean if you want a format where empoleon is good then play bdsp ou or dpp ou
New Outro!! I like it though
Gen 1, 2 and 3 starters will always be special for me. Sure its some nostalgia, but imo only few of the other starters come close to the first 3 gens in terms of design. Too many of the new starters got overly cool or cute designs which makes them not original at all.
True, I would throw in gen 4 starters in there too,
it's always so interesting learning how different pokemon do in a competitive context compared to my experience using them in casual play
I'm most familiar with gen 4, recently even started playing pokemon platinum, and Turtwig's always been an astounding part of my team. with my first attempt at renegade platinum being every rule from a hardcore nuzlocke except for permadeath itself (since I find the team building with limited encounters to be the fun part) my +ATK Turtwig has been a star of my team
but obviously competitive pokemon - especially modern competitive with all the power creep that seems to be one of the biggest factors - it makes sense that Torterra just being a generic bulky physical attacker doesn't get it anywhere special
also reminds me of the time a friend berated me for choosing Turtwig as my starter every time because "don't you know Torterra has a 4 times weakness to ice?"
not sure why he thought that was such a big deal, as I could just. not use Torterra against ice types
How i miss the "how i become top 1" series..
It’ll be back eventually!
:D
It’s always nice to see Wolfy’s opinion on the red cat who shall not be named. 👀
I think Greninja would be good if it was legal, at least as good as Blastoise. I think you underrated Primarina and Cinderace too, just because they were both extremely good at different points in the generation. I think all 3 of those should be A tier if Blastoise is. I think Venu and Zard are better in context though both are rather sun dependent
Greninja would lose HP. That would make it like Cinderace as a fast and frail limited type changing monster. In VGC most mons with that type of build don't work very well. It would have uses and Dynamax would give it much needed bulk but there are better fast attackers.
A tier is insane damage output and viable sets.
S tier is this mon literally warps the metagame around them. Charizard and Venasaur are amazing without dynamax only on sun teams.
In your opinion, what sets the Kanto starters apart from the Johto starters when they have the same base stats and typing? For example, Charizard and Typhlosion have identical stats, what makes Charizard so much better in your opinion?
and 3d sprite, i dont really wanna see a giant naked mole rat in competitive pokemon
Solar power.
3x fire type moves amd 1.5x sp attack
Empoleon is my favorite Pokémon and I cry every day that it has defiant over competitive
It is really really good in the new BDSP Singles Meta
@@limonscore its not use manaphy
@@C3l3bi1 that depends on the team and the role you play it. Overall Manaphy is better but there are many niches Manaphy can't cover
Empoleon would have been better if it doesn't have the most ugliest looking middle stage evolution
I think it's pretty funny how even though power creek is getting bigger and bigger every gen, all the kanto starters are still really good lol
That's mostly bcs gamefreak keeps buffing their favorite starter and it's siblings.
In my heart Empoleon is SSR tier
Easy for u to say that your a piplup Scynati
Snipe shot to bypass abilities and redirection is really the best things about Inteloen
Hey Wolfe, hope you’re doing well and having a great day! 😊
Hey guys, Im completely new to competitive pokemon here. Im just wondering why singles 6v6 is not used in VGC
What kikiriki said pretty much. Single matches take far, far longer even if the games are somewhat offensive. If two very defensive teams meet, you can end up looking at easily over a hundred turns. That's not really viable for any event with a schedule. It's probably also harder to make it very entertaining for an audience, altho i personally never felt an issue with it when i was participating or watching singles events. Singles has a lot of popularity in general, so its not like you're going to struggle to find people to play with if you're interested :)
I remember getting to #1 with the ssmash offensive btoise with terrain pulse (when u've got boom in the back) ....does a ton to lapras/milotic/fini and ogre (without much investment )
And we all know....how Good the wacan set is in s11....ofc it's got a plethora of support moves /fake out and the residual damage from gmax cannonade is top notch....easily the best anti-koal/coal proc
The only thing I don't agree with is Feraligatr being lower than Samurott. Samurott is mixed but doesn't really shine in either while Feraligatr has better defenses, slightly more speed and can deal more damage thanks to Sheer Force + Life Orb. Not that either would be very viable but I'd say they should either be in the same tier or switch places.
All my favorite starters are shit 😢
Relatable
NO MORE SAYING SH*T!
'if empoleons your favorite pokemon you can probly make it work' - champion confirming that our bond with our pokemon can make them stronger
My top 3 starters are
Sceptile
Feraligatr
Samurott
I haven't kept up with the VGC meta since Smash Ultimate came out, so it's pretty funny to see that Incineroar is a meta-shaping s-tier, considering he's a low tier in smash. No trick room to offset slow speed, and thank god for that lol