So in some ways, I get it. As a white person who only recently really started educating myself about harder to grasp anti-rascist concepts like white fragility, I've realized that I've been THAT person before and though I've made effort to change, it's easy to imagine how I might have rejected certain information out of hand because it felt damaging to my self-concept as a good person. Not everyone is ready or willing to confront the baggage that has essentially been socialized into their minds through hidden social/psychological processes, and while I don't think this excuses homophobia/transphobia, it definitely helps me appreciate how it might be a struggle for some people to overcome, especially if they want to. Homophobic pride is kind of like a twisted version of this where instead of challenging their own views (which is hard and requires personal growth) they make up a reason why it's not their problem, when it in fact, is. Long story short, I think this only really ends with systemic change, increased education and visibility for queer people, and the demise of hetero and cis normativity as cultural mores. For my part, I always call out homophobia or transphobia when I see it, and maje it clear that I am gay and don't tolerate that shit. Some people will withdraw, but others start to examine themselves, and I want to encourage that kind of positive growth.
@@Rupert3434 I agree, I actually used to be homophobic only 6 or even less years ago. I was taught from a very young age that being lgbtqia+ is wrong and I believed it. Then I saw someone I looked up to come out, and I had to rethink what I believed. I took SO LONG to get better and even now I’m still trying to improve myself. It is and was so hard and there was points where I thought I was a good ally even though I wasn’t. I don’t regret it at all because now I realize that I might be lesbian.
@@Rupert3434 I definitely agree, because when I was younger I at first didn't mind if people were gay. Then when I was thirteen, I remember feeling angry and just plain weirded out by the fact, when I found out about public figures coming out. It didn't make sense to me at the time, how I didn't have a problem, when it came to Elton John, Ellen Degeneres, Adam Lambert, or etc. I felt angry at Jane Lynch, and Suzie Orman. One thing for sure when I was fourteen, I become really frustrated with boys my age having girlfriends, or just by how visiaully attractive I saw them. During the summer of my Freshman year, I realized that I was bisexual, and it felt extremely difficult to understand, how I could be attracted to someone of the same sex as well. It takes time, patience, and lots of rewiring to change your perspective on something or someone, when you've been privileged to not experience certain things (holding hands, kissing, and etc). I took being straight (at the time); for granted.
Yeah it's like when rich people say it's so hard to be rich when it actually isn't if they don't want to be rich donate all of their money to charity or the poor or something I think the people who truly have no real problems that everyone can understand actually create their own problems like everyone can relate to racism everyone can relate to sexism everyone can relate to mental health issues but only wealthy people can relate to having too much money to spend in 50 lifetimes my view is everyone needs to stop creating problems where there are none
From what most of these people are saying, they probably personally don't agree with homosexuality(very likely due to religious reasons) but they won't judge people for doing what they wanna do Not that I agree with this notion, but I can kinda understand because when I used to go to church, that's the belief they had.
@@yasaiaisa8363 It's such a nonsensical position though, cause it's like, "I don't think LGBTQ people should/do exist, but I'm not going to bother anyone I see being LGBTQ -- but I'll also vote for anti-LGBTQ politicians that *do* want to bother and unexist The Gheys."
@@sluttyMapleSyrup To be honest, I do see the standpoint of these other people: I‘m taking Jehovas Witnesses as example, because I recently gathered a lot of information about them: They do not agree with homosexual actions. They do not agree with any sexual actions, actually, because they are viewed as sin in the bible. However, they should nor will not judge, nor will they discriminate nor treat lgbtq people differently, because the bible ALSO says love they neighbor and treat people the way you wish to be treated, therefore they will also follow that. So yeah, if it‘s something similar to that, I can actually see why and say „Yeah, you do you“. Edit: Won‘t talk bout politics tho, bc I think that would be actively trying to harm lgbtq people so yeah, I think that‘s a different cup of tea than my comment here
I think a lot of them have confused "I wouldn't date a gay person" with "I'm homophobic." Honey, that's not homophobia, that's called being straight, and it's ok.
@@narcopsy what exactly is being homophobic? I'm not trying to be funny or anything I'm just trying to get a clear understanding of this term being used so often.
Some of these seemed like they meant the actual "phobia" part of homophobia, like irrationally uncomfortable with or afraid of homosexuality, instead of just being discriminatory.
the thing is homosexuals arent interested in changing peoples lives even homophobes they just want them to stop targeting them whereas homophobes do interfere with peoples lives therefore homophobia is bad and damaging
If your definition of homophobic is someone who disagrees with the lgbt ideology and disapproves of the lgbt life style, then there is nothing wrong with that.
@@wendyjohnson4345 you're blatantly LGBT-phobic but can't stay away from pro-LGBT spaces. Do you want attention? Is being argumentative fun to you? Go watch channels that affirm your bigotry, seeing as you're not here to learn. Additionally, seeing that you've said non-heterosexuality "serves no purpose" , same-sex marriage is "invalid" , and accused LGBT+ people of being mentally ill, I would say you are quite literally the definition of homophobic.
I acted a little like this in my early teens, I blame internalise homophbia in my case and the way the internet confirms our internal biases and all that jazz
I was homophobic. Beind raised in a Muslim household made me naturally despise the existence of LGBT+ people. In my country, even talking about gay marriages could get you killed. People here see it as 'western propaganda' and although no one has EVER mentioned lgbt+ people to me when i was younger, it's pretty easy to tell what people think like here. The first time i was exposed to lgbt+ things was when i stumbled upon a lesbian ship in a fandom i'm really into. And liked the ship so much that i started standing with the "i disagree with gay people, but i wouldn't be mean or evil towards them. Just as they have to right to live freely, i also have the right to not agree with them." This thought process is fairly common for people like me, who learned to accept through the help fo the internet, on their own. So when i see people pull the "i would be respectful but donot agree" card i get hope within me that maybe this person would fall down the rabbit hole i fell into and start slowly respecting the lgbt+ movement. I'm really grateful that i have become more open minded and no longer bottle any internalized homophobia within me and I'm now a proud bisexual :D Edit: thank you for all the supportive comments. I luv youuuuuuuuu
The Adam and Eve thing makes no sense. Just because one couple is straight doesn’t mean every couple is straight. Say Adam and Eve had black hair, hating someone because there not straight is like hating someone with blonde hair because it wasn’t what god planned.
In my religion it were Adam and Steve in Garden Eden and they adopted a bunch of kids from a parellel universe. God knew if he would create a cishet breeder couple for start that the genpool would be way to small.
@@riptideog8783 l stumbled upon an disgusting video yesterday, it was “Christians” bashing on lgbtq+ , apparently they think it’s demon possession. Everyone that was lgbtq+ or support them was seen as a devil worshipper.
Yup many christian groups believe that people become gay by corruption of some outside force. Whether that be by influence of another person or demons. They believe that everyone was born straight and being gay is a choice and thus the only reason why one would be gay must be by evil spirits which to me sounds crazy but many honestly believe this.
I also find it stupid and arrogant that people mention someone else as the authority on whom obeyed should be made so that other people do or not do something. The selfish and arrogant people want them to do it or don't do it, so that the chance that the others obeyed are higher than if they ask the others themselves with I want or don't want you to do this and that. these people are likely to disobey a stranger. With a deity or god as a mentioned authority who supposedly wants something, this is probably easier to achieve. What I find pretty selfish, if people do not hurt each other psychologically and physically, disadvantage each other or destroy our living space, it should be relatively irrelevant what other people do who have little to do with ourselves. Someone else to say that they don't like something, they even dare to say it and presume to know what a deity wants or doesn't want. People's belief in this deity is also used by people for their own purposes. If a deity found something important that people should or shouldn't do. Then this deity can tell people themselves and not that people come up with the idea of what a deity wants or not that can not correspond at all to what a deity wants.
I think (hope) a lot of the ones who say stuff like “I’m homophobic but I don’t want to be” probably are well meaning people but who were raised in a homophobic environment (either at home or just generally in society) and internalized that. Their rational brain tells them there is nothing wrong with being gay but the instincts that were built up from childhood make them feel like there is. I hope they find the clarity to confront those instincts and realize they really are irrational and they can become more accepting people.
You're on to something i think. My parents were racist (not raging kkk , but still) and when i went through my teenage years i recognised it in myself and i changed my views. You described how i experienced it.
I get that vibe from a lot of these. I think a lot of these are also young people, teens and young adults who haven’t had the freedom to start making their own choices or the resources to start educating themselves and this can’t overcome the conditioning they are likely getting from parents, community members etc.
Christian people: "It's against my religion" Their religion: Jesus being kissed and giving foot rubs to his disciples, love thy neighbour, Bible was literally written in a time when being bi was the norm, God made everyone and loves everyone, be the good Samaritan, love and accept others
I understand your point and I agree, but we aren't all homophobic :( I'm a bisexual Christian who will support you no matter what your sexuality or gender is. We arent all bad, in fact, personally, the Christians I know have been some of the sweetest, loveliest people I've ever met
As a Pan Christian I agree but sadly I feel like to many of my brothers and sisters are. I still love them though and will hope one day they are enlightened
ngl as someone who's LGBT+ I don't want a friend who is homophobic but just "keeps it to themselves." I've had to deal with so many people pretending they're supportive only to find out they're not and it's crushing. Just get tf out of my life if you're going to be like that. You're not worth the pain of realizing I can't actually trust you.
I have a friend who is both transphobic and homophobic, she doesn't believe that being transgender and non-binary is valid, I am non-binary and AroAce. It hurts everytime to hear that she believes that being trans or being gay is a choice and that it is against God's will. Like come on stop bringing religion into this, you're just being a bully. I regret still being her friend, especially if she is to stubborn to change and become more understanding.
@@neon17.08 Well I hope if it affects your mental health that you back away from that relationship. I understand wanting to keep your friends but that would personally hurt me way too much.
@@neon17.08 I had a friend like that as well, who started out very religious, but was questioning her faith and other assumptions by the time we got to know each other. She eventually left that conservative religion, but only changed the beliefs that affected her personally, which ultimately ended our friendship. It’s hard, but some people are a poor investment of energy. Really depends if they have the will to change, I think.
I feel the same way, although I've experienced it more with antisemetism and ableism than homophobia. I've had multiple friends who actively told me they weren't antisemetic and then say stuff like "anyone who doesn't follow Jesus is going to hell" or "well actually the Jews killed Jesus and that's why we need to kill them *glances over at me* sorry but it's true" but adamantly deny they're bigoted. It's honestly more upsetting to me than people who will admit it because these are people who can't even see that what they say is bigoted.
I've been dealing with people recently who say "I'm NOT homophobic. I respect gay people but I dont support them bc it's a sin. My lgbt friends say it's fine!" Like sure they do, bud. Imo saying "I don't support you" is disrespectful. If you think my relationship is immoral then you don't respect me
I'd imagine a lot of the "I don't want to be homophobic" ones are from people who grew up in homophobic households. If you've grown up around bigotry and hatred all your life, it's hard to unlearn and even if you don't want to think like that anymore, your first thoughts are still likely to be homophobic. That said, I feel that your first thoughts are more a reflection of the society that raised you, it's the thoughts that come after that reflect who you really are.
Not necessarily only that, media can have quite the impact on ones viewpoints as well. If you primarily use media where you come into contact with transphobic messages and statements without knowing much about this topic you might as well turn out homophobic without even knowing and thinking of yourself as the opposite. In my case without my Ex-Partner i wouldn't have noticed that some of the statements i made where quite transphobic even though i thought myself to be an accepting person. Only after they informed me about these statements and the transphobia in these statements i began really informing myself about those topics (as a cishet i never really felt the necessity to dig deeper into the topic and didn't know enough to notice my lack of Information). That is also how i discovered this channel.
I grew up in an environment that was homophobic (ignorance based, rather than hate based, if that matters.) I shared those stupid opinions until I learned better. I'm a religious lady, and I see lots of lessons on living authentically in the Bible. Did I mention that I'm bi and one of my kids is non-binary? We can learn and be better people, if we're willing. Blessings, y'all! 🙏❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
Yup. First time I heard of anyone being "gay" were kids at school using it as an insult/mockery and even that was rare. I even had no idea what opinion my parents had because no one talked about it. So I thought those people were "weird" or whatever and quietly agreed with whatever sparse bigoted opinions I heard. Then slowly through fandoms and the internet (while learning more English because resources in English were more accessible) I learned more and with it slowly became accepting. And realized I was asexual 💜 It's a bit harder to get out of your bubble if you don't realize you're in one, but of course it's possible :)
Thank you for your last sentence! I grew up in an extremely judgmental household and it is honestly soooo hard to unlearn that. Not only are some of my thoughts judgmental, but I also have this notion that things have to be done exactly one way; the way I'm doing them because my parents often seem to think like that. Some of my judgmental/...-phobic thoughts came from "They shouldn't do it like that. Why can't they just be normal/just do xy instead?". I try to correct myself after that most of the time.
I think by “I don’t mean to be homophobic” they mean internalized homophobia. They don’t consciously discriminate, but there’s some in the subconscious.
Honestly that’s what I thought people who don’t know that could think he isn’t supportive when he is literally one the most supportive you can get I love that man
They could have used a different singer, but no they chose Louis 😂. Have a look at his fandom. I would say about 90% of fans are LGBTQ+. 😂 I am a fan of 1D, Louis, Harry and the other three, a Larry and a part of the LGBTQ+ comunity. I was laughing about the backgrounds the whole time.
Yeah, like I feel like some of them are making a distinction between their feelings and their beliefs, like kinda in the same way I can be like "I was raised in a white rural conservative community, I *am* racist. But I find racism morally repugnant especially in myself and so it's something I'm constantly aware of and trying to fix or at least mitigate." There's an undercurrent of people who know how they're feeling is wrong or at least it's their problem not gay people's. Kinda in the old, like 90's way of "you don't have to like queer people, you just have to stop actively making their lives worse"? I think it's one of the problems with homophobia as a term. It brings to mind people who are afraid of spiders, not bigotry. You can be scared of spiders without instituting a spider genocide; it's okay to be sex-repulsed by things that aren't your kink up to and including sex as an idea. That's not the actual problem, yano? I don't care if you find two boys kissing gross, I care that people think they have the right to legally and socially and even physically punish people who gross them out. Karen hairstyles literally trigger me from past traumatic experiences, but I'm not trying to send Karens to conversion therapy to make them grow their hair out. I'm not bombing salons that permit the haircut. I'm not sending money to developing nations to lobby them to give Karens the death penalty. I don't care if you're uncomfortable, just don't be cruel and/or selfish about it. Go to therapy like an adult and deal with it. Otherwise, you're not scared you're deliberately being an asshole, stop pretending you aren't making a choice.
a "phobia" doesn't always refer to a fear, it can also refer to a strong hatred or any kind of aversion to something. Waterproof materials are sometimes called "hydrophobic", for example. also, homophobic people do tend to have unfounded fears & anxieties related to gay people, like being worried that LGBT people will "corrupt their children", or afraid of gay men potentially making unwanted advances on them
It is actually important that people deal with their repulsion towards gay people or minorities. You might say that only their actions matter and them being grossed out by gay kissing isn't an issue if their actions are supportive, but the entire issue with unconscious bias is that people unconsciously harm others _because_ they're disgusted/repulsed by them. Bias and bigotry still happens when you are repulsed by others, it's just more subtle and harder to notice. If someone wants to support a group of people they have to deal with BOTH unconscious bias (repulsion) AND explcit thoughts and actions.
I read an instagram post once that said something along the lines of "not liking pineapple on pizza is an opinion, not believing in basic human rights makes you an assahole." I feel like people need to be reminded of what an opinion ACTUALLY is
Well, I know people who believe homosexuality is a sin and morally wrong but still treat lgbt people normally and support LGBT rights for the principle. By your definition, it would be an opinion. But many people would call those homophobic.
@@JoaoPedro-gc8mw what makes it a sin? The fact that the Bible was mistranslated in in the early 20th century? And that that mistranslation was used as propaganda to vilify an entire group of people? People using religion to excuse homophobia aren't expressing opinions. They're perpetuating harmful propaganda
@@paleporcelainkat It doesn't matter. The same being that supposedly determined that homosexuality is a sin is the one that supposedly determined that divorce is a sin. If there are two people who believe that divorce is a sin, one may be bigoted against divorced people and the other may treat divorced people normally without any prejudice and bigotry. Are both bigoted against divorced people? That is the issue.
@@JoaoPedro-gc8mw except it does because the "being" didn't determine anything about homosexuality because, like I said, the bible verse was NEVER about homosexuality. People USED the mistranslation to make it about morality and sin
@@paleporcelainkat But that is not what I'm questioning. What I want to know is: does someone need to believe homosexuality is not wrong in order to not be homophobic even though they do not discriminate against gay people?
"The story would have been Adam and Steve if God intended gays to exist" really gets me. The story of Eden is a creation myth explaining how humans came to populate the world, so they needed to be a breeding pair. It's not a story about "this is the correct way to live and have relationships," and it's kinda bonkers to me that that's what people get out of it, considering the whole thing cumulates in them being punished and banished.
I've been dealing with "ally homophobes" for the 40 years I've been out. These are straight people who, usually after a significant amount of alcohol, feel compelled to tell me that they find what I do in the bedroom absolutely abhorrent, but they'd never discriminate against me for it. I usually say something along the lines of, "I'm glad you're on my side, and I'm really flattered that you're fantasizing about me having sex, but mind your own business and keep those thoughts to yourself."
“If it was, the story would be Adam and Steve” The failure in logic here is amazing to me. In a world where there are tons of different ways in which two people might love each other, the representation of one of those forms of love in the first two people alive shouldn’t be taken as a condemnation from god of every other form of love.
Also, from what I’ve heard (I’m not religious) Eve was created from Adam’s rib or something like that so, technically, she’d have been created with a male body therefore making her trans.
Jamie asking if it's someone from 1D gives me life. before he asked, i was like, "that looks like Louis," i just brushed it off, though. but Jamie asking if it was someone from 1D just confirmed it. but like seriously, why is a homophobic whisper paired with a picture of our brave lord and saviour, the sun, Louis Tomlinson? i don't know, but the moon knows. iykyk ;)
the one with the “i’m homophobic but i have gay friends” reminded me of my grandma. she has gay friends and i’m gay, and she doesn’t treat me different (other than buying my an additional 5 bibles a week, when it used to only be 2), but she has made it clear before that she will try to pray the gay away and she doesn’t like trans people (so not only does she not like me because i’m gay, but because i’m trans and atheist too)
Someone should tell that person that "I'm homophobic and I'm proud" is as bad as "I'm racist and I'm proud", but I'm not sure if they aren't racist too.
@@otheraccount5193 yep ie since it'd be impossible for him to have a y chromosome and he's always been referred to as he and him that would make him a trans man
My dad once explained to me that seeing homosexuals makes him physically uncomfortable, even though he's liberal and all for equal rights. Rationally, he knows being homophobic is not okay, but that doesn't make the visceral reaction go away. Maybe that's what some of these people mean when they say they are homophobic but respect gay people? I've wondered whether my dad might stop feeling that way if he spent more time thinking/learning about/discussing the topic, but he hasn't seemed willing. I'm in no way saying being homophobic is okay, but I wanted to share a theory as to where that weird contradiction homophobic people keep making might have its roots.
I think I get that - I'm ace and sex-repulsed, but I also consider myself sex-positive in that I support SWers and would never judge someone on how much sex they have. But that doesn't mean thinking about doing the nasty doesn't make me cringe lol
@@jadenjessejim4evr this is different though - being a sex repulsed asexual person (an actual orientation) is not the same as being disgusted by a group of people because of homophobia someone has internalised. It's up to OP's dad to actually confront and deal with their repulsion, and they refuse to, so that makes them bigoted in some capacity.
@@Lisa_Flowers I guess it depends somewhat on which groups of people. I'd have a real prejudice against relationships forming between groups of MAPS/pedophiles and children/boy scouts. Consenting human adults... fine. But none of the groups of people that fall outside of that definition are ok with me.
@@Lisa_Flowers The disgust reflex is a real thing. Knowing that something makes you uncomfortable and acknowledging it isn't the same as being bigoted. It's a bit of a miscorrect with our protective instincts. Snakes disgust some people... most people run away from them. Are people bigoted against snakes? Most snakes are harmless to humans, why the fear? I know I shouldn't be scared of snakes... but I can't logic my way out of it. And the times when I might encounter a snake doing the things I worry about are so few! Choose your battles.
I hate hearing the Adam and Steve argument, so the most common comeback I hear is "Well of course it's not Adam and Steve. It would be rude to use Eve's dead name."
The way people act like being homophobic is a part of them they can't change. Like...do these people know that they don't have to be homophobic? People can change. I hope the people in this video are able to be more accepting of themselves and/or others
I was literally homophobic myself before I realized I was queer and then I worked on myself and grew into the queer enby disaster I am today. My sister also used to be homophobic but then I came out to her as queer and now she's the only person in my family who supports me. People can change their views but only if they want to.
yeah the one going "i sometimes am homophobic and i don't like it" it's just what they were raised to be, by parents or the environment. they choose to be nice but fall back. the others were just not nice.
"I'm homophobic, but I support the gay movement" actually reminds me of some of my family members. It's entirely possible to believe that "those people" should have rights but not that you need to accept them in your own life.
Imagine if someone said "I'm racist. It's my choice so don't judge me." Intentionally choosing prejudice is the opposite of moral. I judge. Jamie, keep up the good work!
I can understand the “I’m homophobic but I don’t want to be” ones. When you’re exposed to a lot of discrimination against a group of people, you can end up having kind of a reflex negative reaction whenever you see someone in that group. It takes a while to un-learn that, even when you logically know it’s wrong. So, I wish everyone trying to overcome that reflex prejudice the best. The “homophobic and proud” people just confuse me, though…
I used to have alot of internalized transphobia. It took a lot of unpacking, but I'm starting HRT soon, so I say it's pretty clear that I'm not transphobic any more
My guess is that a lot of the people towards the beginning who are like "I'm homophobic but I don't want to be" or "I'm homophobic but I'm supportive" might just think homophobia is... being instinctively grossed out by two people of the same gender kissing? Like their gag reflex is involuntarily triggered at the sight, but they still think gays are nice people. And they think the reflexive aspect is the thing to be ashamed of. To which, speaking as a gay guy... some people just find PDA gross in general. I know I hated it growing up when it was all from straight people, and I tolerate gay PDA more because of how affirming it is. Gay PDA is pretty rare to see though, since most same-gender couples have legitimate worries about getting hate-crimed for even holding hands, so I understand if the visual tolerance is low for some straights. Y'all just gotta work on yourselves and build that up in your own time; if you don't *want* to be homophobic, then sooner or later you won't be. If you really _are_ supportive and don't want to hurt others or seed malice in another generation, and you *are* throwing your weight behind the queer community in a substantial and meaningful way rather than just empty words, then you won't have any trouble if you keep any "I just think it's gross" bull to yourselves. And I'm sure we can agree that the "real" homophobes, if you will, are the ones who have no interest in bettering themselves, letting other people live their lives, or supporting the queer community, gag reflex or not. The ones who instead blame their religion for why they're an asshole, or say "hate the sinner, not the sin" or "I want to pray for broken people" or "I'm just worried about your soul"; who double-down and say "it's my opinion and I have a right to that" like that shields them from criticism; who treat queer people as an affront to "feminism" or their woefully insecure masculinity; who say "it's mental illness" despite having zero credentials to make any kind of diagnosis and knowing it's been out of the DSM for decades; or who simply say "well _I_ think being gay is voluntary" because *they* wouldn't choose to be and they're too self-absorbed and short-sighted to consider that *_nobody_*_ would choose to be with such a big target on us so something else must be at play_ -- all the while acting on their disgust and hate behind closed doors, voting to strip LGBT+ protections in the vain hope that _maybe_ we'll all just flutter away or at least won't be where they can see us, if not actively spreading emotional abuse and physical violence towards the queer community. That includes the ones who say "I'm afraid to come out as homophobic to my friends" because they understand that it _is_ shameful. And there's really no point in trying to dignify their position by asking their "reasoning" for being homophobic. There _are_ no good reasons for bigotry, it's not _based_ in logic or reason.
the type of "i dont treat others diffrent because they're gay and i dont want to be a homophobe" homophobia is something out of someones control. i expirience it myself. i think its some kind of defect but something deep down in your brain lets you think diffrently about lgbtq+ pepole
I feel bad for some of these people. I used to be homophobic untill I was around 14 and started to learn more about it. I kind of recognise my younger self in some of these commenters, I hope they'll be able to learn more and become accepting.
Me a few years back relates to the "Is it bad I'm homophobic? I don't try to be but it just happens and I can't control it." Back then I tried to understand and be accepting, but I still sometimes had homophobic thoughts. Which then made me angry and uncomfortable with myself, because I couldn't shake it off. Like how hard is it just to be accepting? Luckily nowadays I am way more educated and can confidently say that I'm an ally. Acceptance might not come around as easily as planned, but I am sure that one is able to change if one just is willing to.
To all the homophobes saying it’s against their religion, you all need to do some research on the inaccurate translation of the bible. And also read This Book Is Gay (Juno Dawson). It’s a great place to realise you’re wrong 👍
All the homophobes who use religion for their own gain are giving religious people a bad reputation. “Love thy neighbor, as much as you love me.” Not a perfect citation, but the point is, everyone deserves love! Everyone is loved, and those that think otherwise are wrong.
The Bible sucks anyway, though. 99.999% of Christians cherry pick their beliefs, because living according to the Bible is an objectively awful life by modern standards.
I believe that Whisper chooses a photo based off of the words. I think the reason there's so much 1d is bc Whisper associates the word "gay" or "homosexual" with one direction...lol
I think it’s so funny when people say “being gay is a choice” like… my first crush was on a girl, when i was about 9, and I literally didn’t even know gay people existed until I was like 14 (catholic homeschooling parents..) Like yeah I totally chose to be bi at age 9 when I didn’t even know that was a thing 😂😂
I wonder if the people who say that are bi. They know, themselves, that they can go either way. I think that is why saying "being gay isn't a choice" doesn't convince people. They may say, "I struggle with homosexuality," and it's true. If you say, "You're bi and that's OK," y'all may end up talking past each other.
I learned something about psychology (feel free to correct me) that the first thoughts you have about someone are what you were conditioned to believe, and the second thought you have is what you really believe. So it's possible a lot of people who say they're homophobes but don't want to be are just suffering the effects of shitty parenting
@@SweatierAcorn Yeah that's true as well. My best friend was homophobic for awhile because she was relentlessly bullied by her LGBTQ peers. Its only because she became friends with me and our other friends that she learned that not all LGBTQ people are like that
WHY are all the homophobes being like “I’m HoMoPhObIc, bTw” the same way people say ‘I’m lactose intolerant, by the way” or “I’m bisexual” or “I’m an introvert” Like being homophobic is a label, something important about them, or a personality trait....
@@xsm5525 No Jesus was cool and I respect him (a non judgemental dude who had a diverse circle of friends and was good to everyone, including poor people, ill people, and women from an ‘enemy nation‘) Homophobes are less cool. I don’t respect homophobes.
I mean, a lot of homophobes fetishize LGBTQ+ people, bizarrely enough. I recall seeing a graph that showed some of the most homophobic countries are the ones consuming copious amounts of gay/lesbian porn. Go figure.
Guess what! I came out to my school! The name on the register now says Daniel, instead of my deadname. Though I need some advice. Alright so, the female toilets have bins in, but the males do not. I am trans ftm and haven't had a period yet at school. Now, there are no bins near the toilets and teachers hang around the toilets to make sure people don't do weird stuff. What do I do? There aren't any accessible disabled toilets (unless I want to ask a p.e teacher to unlock it, and then explain why).
First of all, congrats for coming out! About the bin problem, I'd probably just ask someone at school (like, the headmaster (?) etc) if they could maybe put bins in "your" toilet - the boys' toilet I assume - as well; not necessarily only for you, but bins are pretty important for anyone I think, like when you have a cold and want to clean your nose, or when you have a plaster, ... . So maybe explain your own situation roughly if you feel comfortable with it and also talk about how you think it's something that should be changed in general. Hope this might help, all the best for you :)
so many of these ones saying they don't have a problem or have friends who are its like, they like the rainbows and the funny personalities that their friends have but they don't want them to be allowed to get married, or have children, or have fair medical rights/treatments. that's something that if you don't tell your friends, you are lying to them and you are not their friend at all you are using them for their emotional labour
Idk if it’s just me But at the beginning or those ones. It just seems like they were straight. Like they didn’t know the definition or if they genuinely have hate Idk people just why
I'm a straight cis christian girl and don't understand why people are homophobic and proud of it. Let people be how they are, it's non of your business. God loves everyone so do I. Some friends of mine are bi or gay and it's totally ok for me. I love them how they are and I'm proud of them for standing up for themself and their community.
Yeah I’m catholic and I don’t understand why people can’t just love and respect others regards of who they like, like it doesn’t bother you. God tells us to love one another
Thank you :) I’m a cis gay guy and used to be Christian, it’s nice to see there are still people in the faith I grew up with being accepting instead of hatred
Just found your amazing channel through OT, love your content and your confidence, you’ve given me a bit more hope as I am a trans girl myself but my father is not the most fond of the “lgbtmnop group” because they “never end up happy” and while my chosen name is Violet my father said “I don’t care if you wanna be called purple because your real name means something to me” and I just wanna thank you for being so great and a pillar to look up to for those of us who aren’t confident. Thanks for the great content remember to take breaks and much love❤️
It sounds like there's a bit of a victim thing going on, where these people want to be in a "persecuted" group and want the support and validation and... Self-righteousness they think comes with it?
Yeah, it seems they'd rather see it like that than see it more like, they know it's wrong and if they're caught with it, they'll lose everyone simply because they're too stubborn of an ass to try and be a more accepting individual. They're too busy focusing on their own feelings to bother realizing how they're affecting other's lives
I'm actually confused about the people that have queer parents and are homophobic like how did that happen? And also they don't even seem like they want to change that-
My guess is parents that came out later in life and the whole fallout of coming out... separation, divorce, sees the parents new partner as a home breaker, that kind of thing.
I know that a lot of -cults- "high-maintenance" religions who while converting children of same sex parents will demand they cut off any relationships to their same sex parents if they won't separate/divorce and "go straight" to keep their relationship with their kid even moreso if this same religion likes to tout to the public they "accept queer folks". It's incredibly predatory and depressing when someone falls for it because they wanted to be accepted into a religious community
Jamie, I have been watching you since your first pre-op video. You have helped me so so much along my journey in discovering myself. I want to thank you! I am starting testosterone in 3 days! THANK YOUUUU
Honestly, I used to be that way. I'm a proud bisexual woman who has been out for years now but when I was in the closet, I was dealing with internalized biphobia in such a bad way that I was projecting onto my own community and I regret that now and just try to make up for it by being an advocate for my community every chance I get.
I hate the it's against my religion thing. I know someone who's religion strictly forbids it, yet they openly joke about liking another guy and support other homosexual people.
Yes, I'm the same. I'm a catholic myself, but my religion is just my buisness and I won't force it on other people and I won't think less of them if they don't follow it. Especially that sexual orientation is not a choice, while religion is. If something is against my religion, it means I won't do it myself, not that everybody around me can't do it.
Christianity forbids polyester so when I start seeing devout christians attacking people for wearing polyester socks I'll be more supportive of religion as an excuse
@@Epiphany-818 Leviticus 19:19 basically forbids wearing anything made of multiple materials and eating food from farms that grow multiple types of seeds. Yet I see no-one following that.
I think angry, homophobic, racist, transphobic, misogynistic people come from households with no love. I think they have that view because they were usually raised that way and they don't think love and homes are about love, they think it's about making some sort of deal like they're negotiating with a company or someone who's taken a hostage. And honestly, I think that's what it must feel like to be in one of those "homes".
I feel like those who said they don't want to be homophobic are more struggling with a gut reaction, and I do think it's very admirable that they are aware of this and want to change for the better. Good on them for that.
My notifications are set up so that every time I get any notification it looks similar to a text message. When i got a "text" saying 'why be homophobic though?' I was confused
I live in a liberal german university city, which is very catholic at the same time. The catholic church next door has lgbtq+ church messes regurlaly. And I as an atheist work for a catholic institution as a freelancer and my teamleader is a trans man. I know a lot of bad stories about catholicism from people in more rural conservative areas. But it dont need to be that way necessarily.
Haha, it seems like the life cycle of all the LGBT people I know, including myself, to be homophobic and or transphobic before realizing who they are. I don't get why that is, but that's the case for me and my friends Wonder why that is
Same thing happened to me, I was an awful little transphobe when I was younger. I was extremely deep in the closet and repressing every doubt I had about my identity. It made me a very hateful and ignorant person at the time. Now I'm an out and proud trans guy! I wonder how many of these people will go through the same process.
It took me a good year and a half 20019-half 2020) of self hatred that I was pansexual and genderfluid. But I'm glad I'm accepting myself as such now a year later (2021). I then found it difficult to accept myself as leaning more towards trans.... -_-; but! I have recently accepted myself now on this two. Your videos and a few other youtubers videos helped me accept myself more with more info and love. I Thank-you dude! You're the best.
OT is a amazing lad and so is Jamie. I havent watched the video yet, since I'm not home and want to save it to while I play something relaxing, but I freaking BET it will be amazing to see two wonderful people collab on a wonderful and funny topic!
It's so interesting for me to see people being like "I'm afraid to tell my dad/mum/sister/friend (s) that I'm homophobic" because like, yeah you should be. Well not afraid exactly, but the knowing it's not ok, or won't be accepted. Because um yeah duh, homophobia I'd wrong and hurts people for no good reason
I feel like when someone says "I'm homophobic but I don't want to be" they mean that they feel some sort of internal uncomfortability with gay people. Like a sort of prejudice that has been pushed on them or a societal feelings. Like they sort of aren't used to gay people. I think that's what they mean when they say that they don't want to be. Sorta like when someone that is a member of privileged group realizes they have been offensive in the past or done microagressions. Like they want to be supportive but they have these uncomfortable feelings towards it.
Sometimes I think some people confuse "heterosexual & heteroromantic" (aka not attracted and maybe even sexual repulsed by your own gender) with homophobia
I think someone identifying and admitting they have a problem and understanding why their view is problematic is a step in the right direction. I’m hopeful that some of these people admitting they are homophobic will move on to educate themselves to the point that their homophobia goes away. I feel like they are asking for help in a round about way.
hi there! i love your stuff m8 and i stumbled upon your chanel after learning about trans identity in seccondary school and i have to say you are such an inspiration hope ur doing well xxx
Tbh I was confused about trans ppl, like I couldn't wrap my brain around the concept. I ended up here (this is a lil over a yr ago) and instantly I realized that I was making it out to be this "crazy" thing, when in reality the concept is easy to digest once you get past the emotions. You and Shaaba stole my heart in 0.32 seconds and now I'm a loud advocate! Trans men are men! Trans women are women! 😘
Harry and Louis from one direction are rumoured to be dating/married … there are many theories and proofs to debunk their relationships at the moment and that do proof that they are together… that’s probably why they kept popping up lmao
But also please stop- they’ve asked you to stop, many, MANY times, he legit has a kid- it’s hella weird and kinda insane how yall are still deluding yourselves after what? 10 years? Let it drop. Seriously. As a fan base you’ve ruined two men’s friendship.
@@lunalovegood8931 11 years* and I literally didn’t say that I was a larrie- I just said what is happening in that specific part of the fandom- I’m neutral
The one that stuck out to me was the one who said they were homophobic because they are gay, I think my partner is that same way unfortunately because of the things they've said in the past. It's sad that people are too scared to come out even to this day. I hope some day they can feel better about themselves and their orientations. Thank you Jammie! I hope your headache as subsided by now! HUGS to you both! :)
I swear, every time I comment somewhere something about being a lesbian I get replies saying things like “praying for you” or “get better soon” like I could just change my sexuality whenever I wanted 😭 I also hate it when people use their religion as an excuse to hate the LGBTQ+ community. Don’t many religions tell people to treat others with kindness and respect?
The ones who seemed ashamed to be homophobic, it makes me think of my dad. He was raised in a very religious Puerto Rican household and homophobia was displayed blatantly. Also tons of classic Hispanic machismo. Even as a kid he thought those views were wrong, and he still does. He has me, a gay trans son and he has been fantastic and supportive. But he also has a knee-jerk reaction of disgust to, specifically, gay men. He was taught to think that way from the time he was a small child. He immediately slaps himself mentally and recognizes that it's ridiculous to think that way, but he's admitted to me a few times that he always has that homophobic reaction initially. And he is ashamed of it. I wouldn't call my dad homophobic at all, because his actions and his morals don't reflect that. I've even seen him call out other people for being horribly homophobic at squadron parties. The Pacific Fleet in the 90s was not very LGBTQ-friendly.
" im homophobic and I'm proud. Respect my opinion as I respect yours " is like someone saying " im racist and im proud .... " Racism is nothing to " be respected as an opinion " and neither is homophobia / transphobia etc. Blows my mind that someone thinks its not an issue 🙄🤦🏻♀️
Had an interesting conversation with my dad yesterday. He's very passionately in support of his gay friends and has defended them on multiple occasions against homophobic people. I was talking to him though about the lack of anti segregation protections for the lgbtq + community it sounded like he was slightly in support of not allowing trans and gay folks into every Institution (religious or not). I realize though that his worldview is such that he didn't see what he was saying is discrimination... it kind of opened my eyes to the reality that it's our worldviews that inform how we interpret the facts and just because somebody doesn't see a big problem with something that means alot to me doesn't mean that they're a bad person... anyways I just think it's a really neat idea that we CAN all come to the table no matter our views and learn to understand each other.
Hey Jamie! I wonder if you could do an uplifting video about Frozen 2’s song ‘Show Yourself’! There’s a couple of seconds where the background looks like a trans flag, and its a lovely song about becoming yourself! It even says ‘open your door, don’t make me wait, one second more’ and ‘show yourself, step into your power, throw yourself, into something new, you are the one I’ve been waiting for’. Thanks for reading!!
I've had Whisper for over 3 years now, I believe I was 17 when I got on the app, which was 6 years ago. I met my twin best friend on there in a LazyTown fandom group by posting that I like Robbie Rotten (rip our legend). When I joined, the app was genuinely about people telling their own secrets, but now people steal from the popular page and repost the same secrets for likes, no matter how humiliating or embarrassing the secret on the popular page was. They generally post the secret the following day or a couple of days after the secret was on the popular page. People always call them out in the comments for reposting, original secrets are much harder to find on there now. Also, the images are random, the app finds one for you based on what you've typed (it doesn't always work properly though). You can change it if you want to, but most people post without changing the image, no matter what it is. I try to pick an image that fits the subject, if it can find one related to the topic and if the search function even works in the first place. I also change the font to one I like, if it still fits the text on the Whisper then (yes, changing fonts can fudge up your post, usually by cutting off the last words/sentence at the bottom). Edit: The posts on Whisper are indeed called Whispers. Also, it must've been 2014-2016 when I joined the app. I was definitely not younger than 16 when I joined as I know I was in college when I first got the app. I met my twin best friend not too long after the We Are Number One memes appeared (nov. and dec. 2016). At that time (end 2016) I hadn't been on the app for a while (somewhere between 6-12 months). I wish I could check, but I'm like on my 4th account (Whisper likes removing your account it the app gets some trouble with storage space or you get a new phone) so I can't see my oldest post (searching for them isn't easy either because you can't search for usernames as far as I know).
Hey Jamie! I just wanted to comment because you’re one of my favorite ccs and such an inspiration for me! I recently got my binder and am really happy about it! 💖✨
Minor TW for internal homophobia and transphobia as well as bigoted family. I'm LGBT+, grew up in a heavily homophobic, transphobic, racist and overal bigoted family. I had heavy internalised homophobia and transphobia for a long time, but I never had those thoughts directed at others. I eventually realised I was LGBT+ and am now really happy in my gender identity and sexual and romantic orientation. I'm happy to express my gender and I actually ordered a binder earlier this week. This video really helped me get over the hatred I felt towards myself for having those thoughts, so thank you so much Jamie, you are one of my favourite cc's. 🌈💜
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People complaining about how hard it is to be homophobic-
I just-
So in some ways, I get it. As a white person who only recently really started educating myself about harder to grasp anti-rascist concepts like white fragility, I've realized that I've been THAT person before and though I've made effort to change, it's easy to imagine how I might have rejected certain information out of hand because it felt damaging to my self-concept as a good person. Not everyone is ready or willing to confront the baggage that has essentially been socialized into their minds through hidden social/psychological processes, and while I don't think this excuses homophobia/transphobia, it definitely helps me appreciate how it might be a struggle for some people to overcome, especially if they want to. Homophobic pride is kind of like a twisted version of this where instead of challenging their own views (which is hard and requires personal growth) they make up a reason why it's not their problem, when it in fact, is.
Long story short, I think this only really ends with systemic change, increased education and visibility for queer people, and the demise of hetero and cis normativity as cultural mores. For my part, I always call out homophobia or transphobia when I see it, and maje it clear that I am gay and don't tolerate that shit. Some people will withdraw, but others start to examine themselves, and I want to encourage that kind of positive growth.
Hate is taught I guess some people don't change
@@Rupert3434 I agree, I actually used to be homophobic only 6 or even less years ago. I was taught from a very young age that being lgbtqia+ is wrong and I believed it. Then I saw someone I looked up to come out, and I had to rethink what I believed. I took SO LONG to get better and even now I’m still trying to improve myself. It is and was so hard and there was points where I thought I was a good ally even though I wasn’t. I don’t regret it at all because now I realize that I might be lesbian.
@@Rupert3434 I definitely agree, because when I was younger I at first didn't mind if people were gay. Then when I was thirteen, I remember feeling angry and just plain weirded out by the fact, when I found out about public figures coming out. It didn't make sense to me at the time, how I didn't have a problem, when it came to Elton John, Ellen Degeneres, Adam Lambert, or etc. I felt angry at Jane Lynch, and Suzie Orman. One thing for sure when I was fourteen, I become really frustrated with boys my age having girlfriends, or just by how visiaully attractive I saw them. During the summer of my Freshman year, I realized that I was bisexual, and it felt extremely difficult to understand, how I could be attracted to someone of the same sex as well. It takes time, patience, and lots of rewiring to change your perspective on something or someone, when you've been privileged to not experience certain things (holding hands, kissing, and etc). I took being straight (at the time); for granted.
Yeah it's like when rich people say it's so hard to be rich when it actually isn't if they don't want to be rich donate all of their money to charity or the poor or something I think the people who truly have no real problems that everyone can understand actually create their own problems like everyone can relate to racism everyone can relate to sexism everyone can relate to mental health issues but only wealthy people can relate to having too much money to spend in 50 lifetimes my view is everyone needs to stop creating problems where there are none
“I’m homophobic don’t judge me uwu”
* judges people for liking the same gender *
"Then gently scan yer brother man, Still gentler sister wumman; Tho' they may gang a kennin' wrang, To step aside is human"
Bae doughhhh
From what most of these people are saying, they probably personally don't agree with homosexuality(very likely due to religious reasons) but they won't judge people for doing what they wanna do
Not that I agree with this notion, but I can kinda understand because when I used to go to church, that's the belief they had.
@@yasaiaisa8363 It's such a nonsensical position though, cause it's like, "I don't think LGBTQ people should/do exist, but I'm not going to bother anyone I see being LGBTQ -- but I'll also vote for anti-LGBTQ politicians that *do* want to bother and unexist The Gheys."
@@sluttyMapleSyrup
To be honest, I do see the standpoint of these other people:
I‘m taking Jehovas Witnesses as example, because I recently gathered a lot of information about them:
They do not agree with homosexual actions. They do not agree with any sexual actions, actually, because they are viewed as sin in the bible. However, they should nor will not judge, nor will they discriminate nor treat lgbtq people differently, because the bible ALSO says love they neighbor and treat people the way you wish to be treated, therefore they will also follow that.
So yeah, if it‘s something similar to that, I can actually see why and say „Yeah, you do you“.
Edit: Won‘t talk bout politics tho, bc I think that would be actively trying to harm lgbtq people so yeah, I think that‘s a different cup of tea than my comment here
I think a lot of them have confused "I wouldn't date a gay person" with "I'm homophobic."
Honey, that's not homophobia, that's called being straight, and it's ok.
I'm dying here XD
The same way a comedian will get labeled homophobic for telling a joke smh we have to stop calling everything homophobic lol
@@nvm7191 uh, if they're being homophobic then they'll be called homophobic. Even if that's the case it's just criticism, I'm sure they can handle it
@@narcopsy what exactly is being homophobic? I'm not trying to be funny or anything I'm just trying to get a clear understanding of this term being used so often.
@@nvm7191 ; Hatred against people who were born to love other people from their same sex
Some of these seemed like they meant the actual "phobia" part of homophobia, like irrationally uncomfortable with or afraid of homosexuality, instead of just being discriminatory.
“im homophobic and theres nothing wrong with that.”
“yes there is.”
the thing is homosexuals arent interested in changing peoples lives even homophobes they just want them to stop targeting them whereas homophobes do interfere with peoples lives therefore homophobia is bad and damaging
You both are quite right.
If your definition of homophobic is someone who disagrees with the lgbt ideology and disapproves of the lgbt life style, then there is nothing wrong with that.
@@wendyjohnson4345 Dude, LGBT people exist.
Demanding to be treated like a human being is not an ideology or a lifestyle.
@@wendyjohnson4345 you're blatantly LGBT-phobic but can't stay away from pro-LGBT spaces. Do you want attention? Is being argumentative fun to you? Go watch channels that affirm your bigotry, seeing as you're not here to learn.
Additionally, seeing that you've said non-heterosexuality "serves no purpose" , same-sex marriage is "invalid" , and accused LGBT+ people of being mentally ill, I would say you are quite literally the definition of homophobic.
Why are they acting like they’re coming out as homophobic??? I just can’t with people sometimes
That's exactly what I was thinking!
Yes
Exactly! They're making fun of the LGBTQ+ community for coming out
I'm willing to bet that a fair few of these are made up to try and Uno-reverse-card a lot of common LGBT experiences as an attempt to play the victim.
I acted a little like this in my early teens, I blame internalise homophbia in my case and the way the internet confirms our internal biases and all that jazz
I was homophobic. Beind raised in a Muslim household made me naturally despise the existence of LGBT+ people. In my country, even talking about gay marriages could get you killed. People here see it as 'western propaganda' and although no one has EVER mentioned lgbt+ people to me when i was younger, it's pretty easy to tell what people think like here. The first time i was exposed to lgbt+ things was when i stumbled upon a lesbian ship in a fandom i'm really into. And liked the ship so much that i started standing with the "i disagree with gay people, but i wouldn't be mean or evil towards them. Just as they have to right to live freely, i also have the right to not agree with them." This thought process is fairly common for people like me, who learned to accept through the help fo the internet, on their own. So when i see people pull the "i would be respectful but donot agree" card i get hope within me that maybe this person would fall down the rabbit hole i fell into and start slowly respecting the lgbt+ movement. I'm really grateful that i have become more open minded and no longer bottle any internalized homophobia within me and I'm now a proud bisexual :D
Edit: thank you for all the supportive comments. I luv youuuuuuuuu
hope things get better for you
Ohh I’m guessing you live in the Middle East
I’m trans and I do
*it sucks lol*
@@cubehuman6790 yep i do. I hope things get better here and wish you a very happy life and understanding environment. Much love
Good for you! I'm glad! I hope you keep changing for the better, and have a happier life!! ♡
I try to hold that hope, too.
The Adam and Eve thing makes no sense. Just because one couple is straight doesn’t mean every couple is straight. Say Adam and Eve had black hair, hating someone because there not straight is like hating someone with blonde hair because it wasn’t what god planned.
In my religion it were Adam and Steve in Garden Eden and they adopted a bunch of kids from a parellel universe. God knew if he would create a cishet breeder couple for start that the genpool would be way to small.
And even if the whole adam and eve thing was true..the whole world would be a giant incest circus
Remember that that means bisexuals are the favourd ones as it does say Adam AND Eve not Adam OR Eve
I don't trust anyone who is certain they know what "God" wants. People are all too happy to project their attitudes onto the divine.
if god hates gays then why did he make them.
Anyone who says that simply hasn’t read the Bible and/or doesn’t know how to read it.
@@riptideog8783 l stumbled upon an disgusting video yesterday, it was “Christians” bashing on lgbtq+ , apparently they think it’s demon possession. Everyone that was lgbtq+ or support them was seen as a devil worshipper.
Yup many christian groups believe that people become gay by corruption of some outside force. Whether that be by influence of another person or demons. They believe that everyone was born straight and being gay is a choice and thus the only reason why one would be gay must be by evil spirits which to me sounds crazy but many honestly believe this.
I also find it stupid and arrogant that people mention someone else as the authority on whom obeyed should be made so that other people do or not do something.
The selfish and arrogant people want them to do it or don't do it, so that the chance that the others obeyed are higher than if they ask the others themselves with I want or don't want you to do this and that.
these people are likely to disobey a stranger.
With a deity or god as a mentioned authority who supposedly wants something, this is probably easier to achieve.
What I find pretty selfish, if people do not hurt each other psychologically and physically, disadvantage each other or destroy our living space, it should be relatively irrelevant what other people do who have little to do with ourselves.
Someone else to say that they don't like something, they even dare to say it and presume to know what a deity wants or doesn't want.
People's belief in this deity is also used by people for their own purposes.
If a deity found something important that people should or shouldn't do.
Then this deity can tell people themselves and not that people come up with the idea of what a deity wants or not that can not correspond at all to what a deity wants.
I think (hope) a lot of the ones who say stuff like “I’m homophobic but I don’t want to be” probably are well meaning people but who were raised in a homophobic environment (either at home or just generally in society) and internalized that. Their rational brain tells them there is nothing wrong with being gay but the instincts that were built up from childhood make them feel like there is. I hope they find the clarity to confront those instincts and realize they really are irrational and they can become more accepting people.
yeah me too
You're on to something i think. My parents were racist (not raging kkk , but still) and when i went through my teenage years i recognised it in myself and i changed my views. You described how i experienced it.
I get that vibe from a lot of these. I think a lot of these are also young people, teens and young adults who haven’t had the freedom to start making their own choices or the resources to start educating themselves and this can’t overcome the conditioning they are likely getting from parents, community members etc.
I came here to basically write this so thanks for beating me to it.
@@vampirelove75 exactly my thoughts, along with the original comment
Funny how much Louis Tomlinson is in there. As if his whole fandom isn't gay
there was soo much 1d, they’re literally so gay like tf
As if he himself isn’t part of the community 😭💙
this app is a larry and i approve
@@agataskopova741 the whole band is one big gay conspiracy aha
Christian people: "It's against my religion"
Their religion: Jesus being kissed and giving foot rubs to his disciples, love thy neighbour, Bible was literally written in a time when being bi was the norm, God made everyone and loves everyone, be the good Samaritan, love and accept others
Remebering that it is the Bible not the Straightble
@@madabbafan lol I'm gonna use this
""Foot Rubs""
I understand your point and I agree, but we aren't all homophobic :(
I'm a bisexual Christian who will support you no matter what your sexuality or gender is. We arent all bad, in fact, personally, the Christians I know have been some of the sweetest, loveliest people I've ever met
As a Pan Christian I agree but sadly I feel like to many of my brothers and sisters are. I still love them though and will hope one day they are enlightened
ngl as someone who's LGBT+ I don't want a friend who is homophobic but just "keeps it to themselves." I've had to deal with so many people pretending they're supportive only to find out they're not and it's crushing. Just get tf out of my life if you're going to be like that. You're not worth the pain of realizing I can't actually trust you.
I have a friend who is both transphobic and homophobic, she doesn't believe that being transgender and non-binary is valid, I am non-binary and AroAce.
It hurts everytime to hear that she believes that being trans or being gay is a choice and that it is against God's will. Like come on stop bringing religion into this, you're just being a bully.
I regret still being her friend, especially if she is to stubborn to change and become more understanding.
@@neon17.08 Well I hope if it affects your mental health that you back away from that relationship. I understand wanting to keep your friends but that would personally hurt me way too much.
@@neon17.08 I had a friend like that as well, who started out very religious, but was questioning her faith and other assumptions by the time we got to know each other. She eventually left that conservative religion, but only changed the beliefs that affected her personally, which ultimately ended our friendship. It’s hard, but some people are a poor investment of energy. Really depends if they have the will to change, I think.
I feel the same way, although I've experienced it more with antisemetism and ableism than homophobia. I've had multiple friends who actively told me they weren't antisemetic and then say stuff like "anyone who doesn't follow Jesus is going to hell" or "well actually the Jews killed Jesus and that's why we need to kill them *glances over at me* sorry but it's true" but adamantly deny they're bigoted. It's honestly more upsetting to me than people who will admit it because these are people who can't even see that what they say is bigoted.
I've been dealing with people recently who say "I'm NOT homophobic. I respect gay people but I dont support them bc it's a sin. My lgbt friends say it's fine!"
Like sure they do, bud. Imo saying "I don't support you" is disrespectful. If you think my relationship is immoral then you don't respect me
I'd imagine a lot of the "I don't want to be homophobic" ones are from people who grew up in homophobic households. If you've grown up around bigotry and hatred all your life, it's hard to unlearn and even if you don't want to think like that anymore, your first thoughts are still likely to be homophobic. That said, I feel that your first thoughts are more a reflection of the society that raised you, it's the thoughts that come after that reflect who you really are.
Nice pfp :-D
Not necessarily only that, media can have quite the impact on ones viewpoints as well.
If you primarily use media where you come into contact with transphobic messages and statements without knowing much about this topic you might as well turn out homophobic without even knowing and thinking of yourself as the opposite.
In my case without my Ex-Partner i wouldn't have noticed that some of the statements i made where quite transphobic even though i thought myself to be an accepting person.
Only after they informed me about these statements and the transphobia in these statements i began really informing myself about those topics (as a cishet i never really felt the necessity to dig deeper into the topic and didn't know enough to notice my lack of Information).
That is also how i discovered this channel.
I grew up in an environment that was homophobic (ignorance based, rather than hate based, if that matters.) I shared those stupid opinions until I learned better. I'm a religious lady, and I see lots of lessons on living authentically in the Bible. Did I mention that I'm bi and one of my kids is non-binary? We can learn and be better people, if we're willing.
Blessings, y'all! 🙏❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
Yup. First time I heard of anyone being "gay" were kids at school using it as an insult/mockery and even that was rare. I even had no idea what opinion my parents had because no one talked about it. So I thought those people were "weird" or whatever and quietly agreed with whatever sparse bigoted opinions I heard.
Then slowly through fandoms and the internet (while learning more English because resources in English were more accessible) I learned more and with it slowly became accepting. And realized I was asexual 💜
It's a bit harder to get out of your bubble if you don't realize you're in one, but of course it's possible :)
Thank you for your last sentence! I grew up in an extremely judgmental household and it is honestly soooo hard to unlearn that. Not only are some of my thoughts judgmental, but I also have this notion that things have to be done exactly one way; the way I'm doing them because my parents often seem to think like that. Some of my judgmental/...-phobic thoughts came from "They shouldn't do it like that. Why can't they just be normal/just do xy instead?". I try to correct myself after that most of the time.
as a one direction fan, it's so funny to me that they use 1d as their background, especially louis, he's so supportive
He's the frutiest out of them, I think it's just using his pic ironically
@Rica Ch i didn't say that is was real i just said he's supportive
I think by “I don’t mean to be homophobic” they mean internalized homophobia. They don’t consciously discriminate, but there’s some in the subconscious.
Why is there Louis Tomlinson everywhere ?? He’s literally one of the most supportive artist
Idk, cuz irony I guess
they could/should have put Simon Cowbell in the background
@@nobody1081 Simon Cowbell and the gay ghost that’s haunting his house
Honestly that’s what I thought people who don’t know that could think he isn’t supportive when he is literally one the most supportive you can get I love that man
@@nobody1081 facts
People posting about how they're homophobic.
Whisper: Let's just put some One Direction in there.
after all 1d are the gayest straight thing out there
They could have used a different singer, but no they chose Louis 😂. Have a look at his fandom. I would say about 90% of fans are LGBTQ+. 😂
I am a fan of 1D, Louis, Harry and the other three, a Larry and a part of the LGBTQ+ comunity. I was laughing about the backgrounds the whole time.
@@riptideog8783 Yeah it certainly is.
@@isasml6857 omg same I literally died when they showed louis
@@riptideog8783 nah it’s kpop boy bands like Enhypen
💚💙 I can’t with Louis being in the background like 10 times
Yeah, like I feel like some of them are making a distinction between their feelings and their beliefs, like kinda in the same way I can be like "I was raised in a white rural conservative community, I *am* racist. But I find racism morally repugnant especially in myself and so it's something I'm constantly aware of and trying to fix or at least mitigate."
There's an undercurrent of people who know how they're feeling is wrong or at least it's their problem not gay people's. Kinda in the old, like 90's way of "you don't have to like queer people, you just have to stop actively making their lives worse"?
I think it's one of the problems with homophobia as a term. It brings to mind people who are afraid of spiders, not bigotry. You can be scared of spiders without instituting a spider genocide; it's okay to be sex-repulsed by things that aren't your kink up to and including sex as an idea. That's not the actual problem, yano? I don't care if you find two boys kissing gross, I care that people think they have the right to legally and socially and even physically punish people who gross them out. Karen hairstyles literally trigger me from past traumatic experiences, but I'm not trying to send Karens to conversion therapy to make them grow their hair out. I'm not bombing salons that permit the haircut. I'm not sending money to developing nations to lobby them to give Karens the death penalty.
I don't care if you're uncomfortable, just don't be cruel and/or selfish about it. Go to therapy like an adult and deal with it. Otherwise, you're not scared you're deliberately being an asshole, stop pretending you aren't making a choice.
a "phobia" doesn't always refer to a fear, it can also refer to a strong hatred or any kind of aversion to something. Waterproof materials are sometimes called "hydrophobic", for example. also, homophobic people do tend to have unfounded fears & anxieties related to gay people, like being worried that LGBT people will "corrupt their children", or afraid of gay men potentially making unwanted advances on them
It is actually important that people deal with their repulsion towards gay people or minorities. You might say that only their actions matter and them being grossed out by gay kissing isn't an issue if their actions are supportive, but the entire issue with unconscious bias is that people unconsciously harm others _because_ they're disgusted/repulsed by them. Bias and bigotry still happens when you are repulsed by others, it's just more subtle and harder to notice. If someone wants to support a group of people they have to deal with BOTH unconscious bias (repulsion) AND explcit thoughts and actions.
I read an instagram post once that said something along the lines of "not liking pineapple on pizza is an opinion, not believing in basic human rights makes you an assahole." I feel like people need to be reminded of what an opinion ACTUALLY is
Well, I know people who believe homosexuality is a sin and morally wrong but still treat lgbt people normally and support LGBT rights for the principle. By your definition, it would be an opinion. But many people would call those homophobic.
@@JoaoPedro-gc8mw what makes it a sin? The fact that the Bible was mistranslated in in the early 20th century? And that that mistranslation was used as propaganda to vilify an entire group of people? People using religion to excuse homophobia aren't expressing opinions. They're perpetuating harmful propaganda
@@paleporcelainkat It doesn't matter. The same being that supposedly determined that homosexuality is a sin is the one that supposedly determined that divorce is a sin. If there are two people who believe that divorce is a sin, one may be bigoted against divorced people and the other may treat divorced people normally without any prejudice and bigotry. Are both bigoted against divorced people? That is the issue.
@@JoaoPedro-gc8mw except it does because the "being" didn't determine anything about homosexuality because, like I said, the bible verse was NEVER about homosexuality. People USED the mistranslation to make it about morality and sin
@@paleporcelainkat But that is not what I'm questioning. What I want to know is: does someone need to believe homosexuality is not wrong in order to not be homophobic even though they do not discriminate against gay people?
why is “homophobic” in this context sounds like they are coming out as homophobic though? like dw take ur time we accept u ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🌈
Like yeah mum dad I'm homophobic
They are probably just in the closet
@@theemofemboycatgirlw3214 ‘mom, dad, I’m vegan’
you’ll only get it if you’ve watched jamidodgers thing going up against that vegan teacher
Yoooo I’m subbed to you omg-
Heyyyy!
Lol. Also beautiful pfp
"The story would have been Adam and Steve if God intended gays to exist" really gets me. The story of Eden is a creation myth explaining how humans came to populate the world, so they needed to be a breeding pair. It's not a story about "this is the correct way to live and have relationships," and it's kinda bonkers to me that that's what people get out of it, considering the whole thing cumulates in them being punished and banished.
I feel like a way to make an argument about that is "your grandfather committed a crime, do you go to jail for it?"
omg i promise 1D stans aren’t all like this
I've been dealing with "ally homophobes" for the 40 years I've been out. These are straight people who, usually after a significant amount of alcohol, feel compelled to tell me that they find what I do in the bedroom absolutely abhorrent, but they'd never discriminate against me for it. I usually say something along the lines of, "I'm glad you're on my side, and I'm really flattered that you're fantasizing about me having sex, but mind your own business and keep those thoughts to yourself."
Great comeback, lol
How do they react after that?
“If it was, the story would be Adam and Steve” The failure in logic here is amazing to me. In a world where there are tons of different ways in which two people might love each other, the representation of one of those forms of love in the first two people alive shouldn’t be taken as a condemnation from god of every other form of love.
Also, from what I’ve heard (I’m not religious) Eve was created from Adam’s rib or something like that so, technically, she’d have been created with a male body therefore making her trans.
@@RedBanana_ “Listen up LIBERALS! Marriage is between a man and his AMAB wife, and anyone who says otherwise is a COMMIE!”
It's Adam AND Eve, not Adam OR Eve 😤😤 BI RIGHTS
if it was adam and steve no-one would say "being straight is against god" so yeah
And also, Adam and Eve needed to reproduce to keep the human race going, you know? If they were two dudes they couldn't have done that
Jamie asking if it's someone from 1D gives me life. before he asked, i was like, "that looks like Louis," i just brushed it off, though. but Jamie asking if it was someone from 1D just confirmed it. but like seriously, why is a homophobic whisper paired with a picture of our brave lord and saviour, the sun, Louis Tomlinson? i don't know, but the moon knows. iykyk ;)
;)
@@weslee104 ;)
the one with the “i’m homophobic but i have gay friends” reminded me of my grandma. she has gay friends and i’m gay, and she doesn’t treat me different (other than buying my an additional 5 bibles a week, when it used to only be 2), but she has made it clear before that she will try to pray the gay away and she doesn’t like trans people (so not only does she not like me because i’m gay, but because i’m trans and atheist too)
Someone should tell that person that "I'm homophobic and I'm proud" is as bad as "I'm racist and I'm proud", but I'm not sure if they aren't racist too.
They probably racist too
Yeah same concept, it's just prejudice against people for something they were born as and can't control.
@the return of Cassidy Callahan what the fuck dude?
@@lunalovegood8931 just ignore the troll, mate
@Tom Morrison They usually hate Jews too, for some reason.
"itS AdAM aNd EVe NOt ADam And StEve"
correct we do not deadname or misgender Eve. we support trans rights in this household
Also there's a really good argument I seen once for jesus being trans
@@theemofemboycatgirlw3214 oh yeah wasn't it because Mary was a virgin when she had Jesus, thus making it impossible for there to be a Y chromosome
@@otheraccount5193 yep ie since it'd be impossible for him to have a y chromosome and he's always been referred to as he and him that would make him a trans man
@@otheraccount5193 The detail about Eve makes sense by the same logic. Eve was cloned from Adam's rib, meaning she'd have XY chromosomes.
@@FrozEnbyWolf150 i haven’t heard of THAT hot take.
My dad once explained to me that seeing homosexuals makes him physically uncomfortable, even though he's liberal and all for equal rights. Rationally, he knows being homophobic is not okay, but that doesn't make the visceral reaction go away. Maybe that's what some of these people mean when they say they are homophobic but respect gay people?
I've wondered whether my dad might stop feeling that way if he spent more time thinking/learning about/discussing the topic, but he hasn't seemed willing.
I'm in no way saying being homophobic is okay, but I wanted to share a theory as to where that weird contradiction homophobic people keep making might have its roots.
I think I get that - I'm ace and sex-repulsed, but I also consider myself sex-positive in that I support SWers and would never judge someone on how much sex they have. But that doesn't mean thinking about doing the nasty doesn't make me cringe lol
@@jadenjessejim4evr this is different though - being a sex repulsed asexual person (an actual orientation) is not the same as being disgusted by a group of people because of homophobia someone has internalised. It's up to OP's dad to actually confront and deal with their repulsion, and they refuse to, so that makes them bigoted in some capacity.
@@Lisa_Flowers I guess it depends somewhat on which groups of people.
I'd have a real prejudice against relationships forming between groups of MAPS/pedophiles and children/boy scouts.
Consenting human adults... fine. But none of the groups of people that fall outside of that definition are ok with me.
@@Lisa_Flowers The disgust reflex is a real thing.
Knowing that something makes you uncomfortable and acknowledging it isn't the same as being bigoted.
It's a bit of a miscorrect with our protective instincts. Snakes disgust some people... most people run away from them. Are people bigoted against snakes?
Most snakes are harmless to humans, why the fear?
I know I shouldn't be scared of snakes... but I can't logic my way out of it.
And the times when I might encounter a snake doing the things I worry about are so few!
Choose your battles.
I hate hearing the Adam and Steve argument, so the most common comeback I hear is "Well of course it's not Adam and Steve. It would be rude to use Eve's dead name."
The way people act like being homophobic is a part of them they can't change. Like...do these people know that they don't have to be homophobic? People can change. I hope the people in this video are able to be more accepting of themselves and/or others
I was literally homophobic myself before I realized I was queer and then I worked on myself and grew into the queer enby disaster I am today. My sister also used to be homophobic but then I came out to her as queer and now she's the only person in my family who supports me.
People can change their views but only if they want to.
@@angiewinchester3384 True
it’s like ‘blue lives matter’
like bro… no? Here, I’ll give you one of my braincells so you can think sanely, have a nice day
It’s not a choice
@Question the Satirist some people can’t help it and what does the being gay part have anything to do with the topic
It’s just the “why” isn’t it. If it’s your choice to be homophobic, *why* be?
Nice pfp.
I like your Pfp
Cool pfp!
yeah the one going "i sometimes am homophobic and i don't like it" it's just what they were raised to be, by parents or the environment. they choose to be nice but fall back.
the others were just not nice.
I agree with your pfp
"I'm homophobic, but I support the gay movement" actually reminds me of some of my family members. It's entirely possible to believe that "those people" should have rights but not that you need to accept them in your own life.
Imagine if someone said "I'm racist. It's my choice so don't judge me."
Intentionally choosing prejudice is the opposite of moral. I judge.
Jamie, keep up the good work!
Bro I remember when someone thought being gay was "fake" and "only in Steven Universe" ????
BAJAHAHAHAH
NOOO LMAO
Shhhhhhhhhh..... they know our secret... don’t let them know we are all secretly gems....
@@Willow._.tree. or better yet fusions 😏
Wait it's not?
I can understand the “I’m homophobic but I don’t want to be” ones. When you’re exposed to a lot of discrimination against a group of people, you can end up having kind of a reflex negative reaction whenever you see someone in that group. It takes a while to un-learn that, even when you logically know it’s wrong. So, I wish everyone trying to overcome that reflex prejudice the best.
The “homophobic and proud” people just confuse me, though…
For some of those confessions:
“You keep using that word, I don’t think it means what you think it means”
I used to have alot of internalized transphobia. It took a lot of unpacking, but I'm starting HRT soon, so I say it's pretty clear that I'm not transphobic any more
honestly some of these are just so sad, especially the ones about internalized homophobia :(
My guess is that a lot of the people towards the beginning who are like "I'm homophobic but I don't want to be" or "I'm homophobic but I'm supportive" might just think homophobia is... being instinctively grossed out by two people of the same gender kissing? Like their gag reflex is involuntarily triggered at the sight, but they still think gays are nice people. And they think the reflexive aspect is the thing to be ashamed of.
To which, speaking as a gay guy... some people just find PDA gross in general. I know I hated it growing up when it was all from straight people, and I tolerate gay PDA more because of how affirming it is. Gay PDA is pretty rare to see though, since most same-gender couples have legitimate worries about getting hate-crimed for even holding hands, so I understand if the visual tolerance is low for some straights. Y'all just gotta work on yourselves and build that up in your own time; if you don't *want* to be homophobic, then sooner or later you won't be.
If you really _are_ supportive and don't want to hurt others or seed malice in another generation, and you *are* throwing your weight behind the queer community in a substantial and meaningful way rather than just empty words, then you won't have any trouble if you keep any "I just think it's gross" bull to yourselves.
And I'm sure we can agree that the "real" homophobes, if you will, are the ones who have no interest in bettering themselves, letting other people live their lives, or supporting the queer community, gag reflex or not.
The ones who instead blame their religion for why they're an asshole, or say "hate the sinner, not the sin" or "I want to pray for broken people" or "I'm just worried about your soul"; who double-down and say "it's my opinion and I have a right to that" like that shields them from criticism; who treat queer people as an affront to "feminism" or their woefully insecure masculinity; who say "it's mental illness" despite having zero credentials to make any kind of diagnosis and knowing it's been out of the DSM for decades; or who simply say "well _I_ think being gay is voluntary" because *they* wouldn't choose to be and they're too self-absorbed and short-sighted to consider that *_nobody_*_ would choose to be with such a big target on us so something else must be at play_ -- all the while acting on their disgust and hate behind closed doors, voting to strip LGBT+ protections in the vain hope that _maybe_ we'll all just flutter away or at least won't be where they can see us, if not actively spreading emotional abuse and physical violence towards the queer community.
That includes the ones who say "I'm afraid to come out as homophobic to my friends" because they understand that it _is_ shameful.
And there's really no point in trying to dignify their position by asking their "reasoning" for being homophobic. There _are_ no good reasons for bigotry, it's not _based_ in logic or reason.
wow great post!
Wow what a waste of time
well said.
same here. I get uncomfortable watching straight people kiss in public too. It's not a gender thing
the type of "i dont treat others diffrent because they're gay and i dont want to be a homophobe" homophobia is something out of someones control. i expirience it myself. i think its some kind of defect but something deep down in your brain lets you think diffrently about lgbtq+ pepole
I feel bad for some of these people. I used to be homophobic untill I was around 14 and started to learn more about it. I kind of recognise my younger self in some of these commenters, I hope they'll be able to learn more and become accepting.
Me a few years back relates to the "Is it bad I'm homophobic? I don't try to be but it just happens and I can't control it." Back then I tried to understand and be accepting, but I still sometimes had homophobic thoughts. Which then made me angry and uncomfortable with myself, because I couldn't shake it off. Like how hard is it just to be accepting? Luckily nowadays I am way more educated and can confidently say that I'm an ally. Acceptance might not come around as easily as planned, but I am sure that one is able to change if one just is willing to.
To all the homophobes saying it’s against their religion, you all need to do some research on the inaccurate translation of the bible. And also read This Book Is Gay (Juno Dawson). It’s a great place to realise you’re wrong 👍
All the homophobes who use religion for their own gain are giving religious people a bad reputation. “Love thy neighbor, as much as you love me.” Not a perfect citation, but the point is, everyone deserves love! Everyone is loved, and those that think otherwise are wrong.
The Bible sucks anyway, though. 99.999% of Christians cherry pick their beliefs, because living according to the Bible is an objectively awful life by modern standards.
Yup, the good ol purposeful and paid for mistranslation of 1946. Gotta love it.
Not a hate comment or shit and I’m not trying to be rude so I’m sorry if it comes off that way, but it’s spelled ‘realize’
@@thequeer_underthebed2535 you do realise that not all live in USA !
Outside of usa we use "realise"
Not" Z"
I believe that Whisper chooses a photo based off of the words. I think the reason there's so much 1d is bc Whisper associates the word "gay" or "homosexual" with one direction...lol
That makes sense. I only know like 2 straight directioners lol
as they should, tbh. they're gay, the fandom's gay, everyone's gay, it's great.
@@katsimpsforleviathan lol well Three now lol
Lol it makes sense though seeing as the entire band and fandom is lgbtq+ or an ally
Yeah it chooses one for you if you don't choose one.
I love that there are people who hate people who can’t change just because a book says so 😬
Some of these I think they are close to letting go of their phobia and about to turn the corner. I hope they do and that they become wonderful allies.
I think it’s so funny when people say “being gay is a choice” like… my first crush was on a girl, when i was about 9, and I literally didn’t even know gay people existed until I was like 14 (catholic homeschooling parents..) Like yeah I totally chose to be bi at age 9 when I didn’t even know that was a thing 😂😂
Same
My first crush was Dora 😂
I wonder if the people who say that are bi. They know, themselves, that they can go either way. I think that is why saying "being gay isn't a choice" doesn't convince people. They may say, "I struggle with homosexuality," and it's true. If you say, "You're bi and that's OK," y'all may end up talking past each other.
@@peterbonucci9661 Wow I never thought of it that way but that’s totally possible!
@@chichiro8625 Dora the Explorer?
@@ChaosundSandale yes😂
Some of these are like saying "im freezing in the boiling hot room" or "I wanna be politely railed"
Y E S
"I wanna be politely railed" is being added to my list of sentences that live rent free in my mind
What do you mean by "politely railed"
✨ politely railed ✨
@@theemofemboycatgirlw3214 exactly
I’m just surprised that the whisper app is still around! I remember that from when I was in high school.
I learned something about psychology (feel free to correct me) that the first thoughts you have about someone are what you were conditioned to believe, and the second thought you have is what you really believe. So it's possible a lot of people who say they're homophobes but don't want to be are just suffering the effects of shitty parenting
It could also be from a bad experience, and associating whatever happened with a whole group rather than a singular individual.
@@SweatierAcorn Yeah that's true as well. My best friend was homophobic for awhile because she was relentlessly bullied by her LGBTQ peers. Its only because she became friends with me and our other friends that she learned that not all LGBTQ people are like that
WHY are all the homophobes being like “I’m HoMoPhObIc, bTw” the same way people say ‘I’m lactose intolerant, by the way” or “I’m bisexual” or “I’m an introvert” Like being homophobic is a label, something important about them, or a personality trait....
so you don't respect lord Jesus Christ then
@@xsm5525 No Jesus was cool and I respect him (a non judgemental dude who had a diverse circle of friends and was good to everyone, including poor people, ill people, and women from an ‘enemy nation‘) Homophobes are less cool. I don’t respect homophobes.
@@xsm5525 Jesus literally hung out and ate dinner with prostitutes and the homeless. Until you do that too, you don't know what respect is.
@@peacefulleopard8016 im homophobic
@@bobosu5823 ok.
there's probably a 1D whisper that's like "I'm homophobic but I still read gay fan fiction about one direction"
I mean, a lot of homophobes fetishize LGBTQ+ people, bizarrely enough. I recall seeing a graph that showed some of the most homophobic countries are the ones consuming copious amounts of gay/lesbian porn. Go figure.
*reading a 16 chapter WIP slow burn coffee shop au enemies to lovers Larry fic in my MAGA hat*
You described my “friend” who is homophobic but reads gay Bts fan fiction but actively hates on rest of the lgbtq+ community and it’s supporters
What’s with all the flag pfp
@@fortnitwprogot6909 stfu
I didn’t understand One Direction being the background pictures either, but I ain’t comparing 🧍🏻♀️
Guess what! I came out to my school! The name on the register now says Daniel, instead of my deadname. Though I need some advice. Alright so, the female toilets have bins in, but the males do not. I am trans ftm and haven't had a period yet at school. Now, there are no bins near the toilets and teachers hang around the toilets to make sure people don't do weird stuff. What do I do? There aren't any accessible disabled toilets (unless I want to ask a p.e teacher to unlock it, and then explain why).
First of all, congrats for coming out!
About the bin problem, I'd probably just ask someone at school (like, the headmaster (?) etc) if they could maybe put bins in "your" toilet - the boys' toilet I assume - as well; not necessarily only for you, but bins are pretty important for anyone I think, like when you have a cold and want to clean your nose, or when you have a plaster, ... . So maybe explain your own situation roughly if you feel comfortable with it and also talk about how you think it's something that should be changed in general.
Hope this might help, all the best for you :)
so many of these ones saying they don't have a problem or have friends who are its like, they like the rainbows and the funny personalities that their friends have but they don't want them to be allowed to get married, or have children, or have fair medical rights/treatments. that's something that if you don't tell your friends, you are lying to them and you are not their friend at all you are using them for their emotional labour
Idk if it’s just me But at the beginning or those ones. It just seems like they were straight. Like they didn’t know the definition or if they genuinely have hate
Idk people just why
_BINGO!_
I had someone say we stole the rainbow from God... like wut?
I'm a straight cis christian girl and don't understand why people are homophobic and proud of it. Let people be how they are, it's non of your business. God loves everyone so do I. Some friends of mine are bi or gay and it's totally ok for me. I love them how they are and I'm proud of them for standing up for themself and their community.
Thank you. You remind me the not all Christians are bigoted, thank you!
Yeah I’m catholic and I don’t understand why people can’t just love and respect others regards of who they like, like it doesn’t bother you. God tells us to love one another
Exactly! I'm straight, cis, Christian and I'm into punk and metal and I try to be a good ally. None of this is contradictory or wrong. 🖤🏳️🌈
Of course Jesus teach us to love all,but that does mean we accept it
Thank you :) I’m a cis gay guy and used to be Christian, it’s nice to see there are still people in the faith I grew up with being accepting instead of hatred
Just found your amazing channel through OT, love your content and your confidence, you’ve given me a bit more hope as I am a trans girl myself but my father is not the most fond of the “lgbtmnop group” because they “never end up happy” and while my chosen name is Violet my father said “I don’t care if you wanna be called purple because your real name means something to me” and I just wanna thank you for being so great and a pillar to look up to for those of us who aren’t confident.
Thanks for the great content remember to take breaks and much love❤️
Imma just do a day thing cos I want this amazing man to know just how impactful he truly is.
It sounds like there's a bit of a victim thing going on, where these people want to be in a "persecuted" group and want the support and validation and... Self-righteousness they think comes with it?
Yeah, it seems they'd rather see it like that than see it more like, they know it's wrong and if they're caught with it, they'll lose everyone simply because they're too stubborn of an ass to try and be a more accepting individual.
They're too busy focusing on their own feelings to bother realizing how they're affecting other's lives
I'm actually confused about the people that have queer parents and are homophobic like how did that happen? And also they don't even seem like they want to change that-
My guess is parents that came out later in life and the whole fallout of coming out... separation, divorce, sees the parents new partner as a home breaker, that kind of thing.
@@elaexplorer ouuuuu i see, so just taking the bad emotions out on something like that?
Maybe they were abused by the parents in some way or maybe they blame them for something
Then they'll use the "i AcTuAlLy HaVe GaY fAmIlY mEmBeRs" excuse
I know that a lot of -cults- "high-maintenance" religions who while converting children of same sex parents will demand they cut off any relationships to their same sex parents if they won't separate/divorce and "go straight" to keep their relationship with their kid even moreso if this same religion likes to tout to the public they "accept queer folks". It's incredibly predatory and depressing when someone falls for it because they wanted to be accepted into a religious community
Because people just can't let other people exist differently from themselves.
I ruined your 69
@@PixelAtionGuitar Good.
@The Return of Cassidy Callahan what? were talking about being lgbt not a map-
People fear different
@The Return of Cassidy Callahan ok 2-week-old troll account
This format makes it so funny and I can’t read them in anything but a sarcastic life advice voice lmao
Jamie,
I have been watching you since your first pre-op video. You have helped me so so much along my journey in discovering myself. I want to thank you! I am starting testosterone in 3 days! THANK YOUUUU
Some people who are homophobic are actually LGBTQA+ and they are trying to deny it, and the easiest way of denial? Hate is the easiest denial.
been there this is so true. Especially when you grow up in a homophobic family.
Internalized homophobia and transphobia in trans and gay people are honestly very common but you can work on it once you know.
Honestly, I used to be that way. I'm a proud bisexual woman who has been out for years now but when I was in the closet, I was dealing with internalized biphobia in such a bad way that I was projecting onto my own community and I regret that now and just try to make up for it by being an advocate for my community every chance I get.
That describes my teenage years perfectly.
I hate the it's against my religion thing. I know someone who's religion strictly forbids it, yet they openly joke about liking another guy and support other homosexual people.
Yes, I'm the same. I'm a catholic myself, but my religion is just my buisness and I won't force it on other people and I won't think less of them if they don't follow it. Especially that sexual orientation is not a choice, while religion is.
If something is against my religion, it means I won't do it myself, not that everybody around me can't do it.
Christianity forbids polyester so when I start seeing devout christians attacking people for wearing polyester socks I'll be more supportive of religion as an excuse
@@alam5055 preachh
@@Epiphany-818 Leviticus 19:19 basically forbids wearing anything made of multiple materials and eating food from farms that grow multiple types of seeds. Yet I see no-one following that.
I love your username and pfp, it's beautiful
I think angry, homophobic, racist, transphobic, misogynistic people come from households with no love. I think they have that view because they were usually raised that way and they don't think love and homes are about love, they think it's about making some sort of deal like they're negotiating with a company or someone who's taken a hostage. And honestly, I think that's what it must feel like to be in one of those "homes".
I feel like those who said they don't want to be homophobic are more struggling with a gut reaction, and I do think it's very admirable that they are aware of this and want to change for the better. Good on them for that.
My notifications are set up so that every time I get any notification it looks similar to a text message. When i got a "text" saying 'why be homophobic though?' I was confused
This is the funniest thing I've heard all day
lol
Lmao how do u do that? Is that something for iphone or...?
@@abanzahiri nah I was watching on my android phone and it updated and now all the notifications look the same
I also hate when people use religion as an excuse especially cause I have a good friend that's Catholic and they support the lgbtq+ community
I live in a liberal german university city, which is very catholic at the same time. The catholic church next door has lgbtq+ church messes regurlaly. And I as an atheist work for a catholic institution as a freelancer and my teamleader is a trans man.
I know a lot of bad stories about catholicism from people in more rural conservative areas. But it dont need to be that way necessarily.
Haha, it seems like the life cycle of all the LGBT people I know, including myself, to be homophobic and or transphobic before realizing who they are. I don't get why that is, but that's the case for me and my friends
Wonder why that is
Same thing happened to me, I was an awful little transphobe when I was younger. I was extremely deep in the closet and repressing every doubt I had about my identity. It made me a very hateful and ignorant person at the time. Now I'm an out and proud trans guy!
I wonder how many of these people will go through the same process.
It took me a good year and a half 20019-half 2020) of self hatred that I was pansexual and genderfluid. But I'm glad I'm accepting myself as such now a year later (2021). I then found it difficult to accept myself as leaning more towards trans.... -_-; but! I have recently accepted myself now on this two. Your videos and a few other youtubers videos helped me accept myself more with more info and love. I Thank-you dude! You're the best.
Hi Jamie. I really enjoyed your recent collab with OT. 💜
OT is a amazing lad and so is Jamie. I havent watched the video yet, since I'm not home and want to save it to while I play something relaxing, but I freaking BET it will be amazing to see two wonderful people collab on a wonderful and funny topic!
the fact that all of the homophobic people on whisper ship larry is ironic
It's so interesting for me to see people being like "I'm afraid to tell my dad/mum/sister/friend (s) that I'm homophobic" because like, yeah you should be. Well not afraid exactly, but the knowing it's not ok, or won't be accepted. Because um yeah duh, homophobia I'd wrong and hurts people for no good reason
I feel like when someone says "I'm homophobic but I don't want to be" they mean that they feel some sort of internal uncomfortability with gay people. Like a sort of prejudice that has been pushed on them or a societal feelings. Like they sort of aren't used to gay people. I think that's what they mean when they say that they don't want to be. Sorta like when someone that is a member of privileged group realizes they have been offensive in the past or done microagressions. Like they want to be supportive but they have these uncomfortable feelings towards it.
Sometimes I think some people confuse "heterosexual & heteroromantic" (aka not attracted and maybe even sexual repulsed by your own gender) with homophobia
I felt like at least half of the post meant this
I think someone identifying and admitting they have a problem and understanding why their view is problematic is a step in the right direction. I’m hopeful that some of these people admitting they are homophobic will move on to educate themselves to the point that their homophobia goes away. I feel like they are asking for help in a round about way.
hi there! i love your stuff m8 and i stumbled upon your chanel after learning about trans identity in seccondary school and i have to say you are such an inspiration hope ur doing well xxx
Tbh I was confused about trans ppl, like I couldn't wrap my brain around the concept. I ended up here (this is a lil over a yr ago) and instantly I realized that I was making it out to be this "crazy" thing, when in reality the concept is easy to digest once you get past the emotions. You and Shaaba stole my heart in 0.32 seconds and now I'm a loud advocate!
Trans men are men! Trans women are women!
😘
Harry and Louis from one direction are rumoured to be dating/married … there are many theories and proofs to debunk their relationships at the moment and that do proof that they are together… that’s probably why they kept popping up lmao
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Oof we found a Larry-
But also please stop-
they’ve asked you to stop, many, MANY times, he legit has a kid- it’s hella weird and kinda insane how yall are still deluding yourselves after what? 10 years? Let it drop. Seriously. As a fan base you’ve ruined two men’s friendship.
@@lunalovegood8931 11 years* and I literally didn’t say that I was a larrie- I just said what is happening in that specific part of the fandom- I’m neutral
Alternate title: "Reading out Confessions from the Closet"
The one that stuck out to me was the one who said they were homophobic because they are gay, I think my partner is that same way unfortunately because of the things they've said in the past. It's sad that people are too scared to come out even to this day. I hope some day they can feel better about themselves and their orientations.
Thank you Jammie! I hope your headache as subsided by now! HUGS to you both! :)
I swear, every time I comment somewhere something about being a lesbian I get replies saying things like “praying for you” or “get better soon” like I could just change my sexuality whenever I wanted 😭 I also hate it when people use their religion as an excuse to hate the LGBTQ+ community. Don’t many religions tell people to treat others with kindness and respect?
The ones who seemed ashamed to be homophobic, it makes me think of my dad. He was raised in a very religious Puerto Rican household and homophobia was displayed blatantly. Also tons of classic Hispanic machismo.
Even as a kid he thought those views were wrong, and he still does. He has me, a gay trans son and he has been fantastic and supportive.
But he also has a knee-jerk reaction of disgust to, specifically, gay men. He was taught to think that way from the time he was a small child. He immediately slaps himself mentally and recognizes that it's ridiculous to think that way, but he's admitted to me a few times that he always has that homophobic reaction initially. And he is ashamed of it.
I wouldn't call my dad homophobic at all, because his actions and his morals don't reflect that. I've even seen him call out other people for being horribly homophobic at squadron parties. The Pacific Fleet in the 90s was not very LGBTQ-friendly.
Why do I get the feeling Whisper's photo picker thing, is a Larry??
" im homophobic and I'm proud. Respect my opinion as I respect yours " is like someone saying " im racist and im proud .... "
Racism is nothing to " be respected as an opinion " and neither is homophobia / transphobia etc.
Blows my mind that someone thinks its not an issue 🙄🤦🏻♀️
Had an interesting conversation with my dad yesterday. He's very passionately in support of his gay friends and has defended them on multiple occasions against homophobic people. I was talking to him though about the lack of anti segregation protections for the lgbtq + community it sounded like he was slightly in support of not allowing trans and gay folks into every Institution (religious or not). I realize though that his worldview is such that he didn't see what he was saying is discrimination... it kind of opened my eyes to the reality that it's our worldviews that inform how we interpret the facts and just because somebody doesn't see a big problem with something that means alot to me doesn't mean that they're a bad person... anyways I just think it's a really neat idea that we CAN all come to the table no matter our views and learn to understand each other.
"I am homophobic. I have gay friends, but I don't really like them."
I really don't understand humans. Can somebody please link to the manual?
Whatever created humans should refund or update to better models: people 2.0
With all the homophobic family members at the beginning, I'm omnisexual and non-binary and my ✨entire family✨is homophobic
I’m so sorry, I hope it gets better!!
I'm so very sorry for their loss, they are missing out on so much.
Omfg OP no one cares
Also ur pfp and comment say a lot about u
@@fortnitwprogot6909 bruh
Hey Jamie! I wonder if you could do an uplifting video about Frozen 2’s song ‘Show Yourself’! There’s a couple of seconds where the background looks like a trans flag, and its a lovely song about becoming yourself! It even says ‘open your door, don’t make me wait, one second more’ and ‘show yourself, step into your power, throw yourself, into something new, you are the one I’ve been waiting for’. Thanks for reading!!
I feel like a lot of those confuse the words homophobic and heterosexual…
There were literally like 8 1 direction backgrounds 😂😂😂
The one direction background had me DEAD💀💀💀
I've had Whisper for over 3 years now, I believe I was 17 when I got on the app, which was 6 years ago. I met my twin best friend on there in a LazyTown fandom group by posting that I like Robbie Rotten (rip our legend).
When I joined, the app was genuinely about people telling their own secrets, but now people steal from the popular page and repost the same secrets for likes, no matter how humiliating or embarrassing the secret on the popular page was. They generally post the secret the following day or a couple of days after the secret was on the popular page. People always call them out in the comments for reposting, original secrets are much harder to find on there now.
Also, the images are random, the app finds one for you based on what you've typed (it doesn't always work properly though). You can change it if you want to, but most people post without changing the image, no matter what it is. I try to pick an image that fits the subject, if it can find one related to the topic and if the search function even works in the first place. I also change the font to one I like, if it still fits the text on the Whisper then (yes, changing fonts can fudge up your post, usually by cutting off the last words/sentence at the bottom).
Edit: The posts on Whisper are indeed called Whispers.
Also, it must've been 2014-2016 when I joined the app. I was definitely not younger than 16 when I joined as I know I was in college when I first got the app. I met my twin best friend not too long after the We Are Number One memes appeared (nov. and dec. 2016). At that time (end 2016) I hadn't been on the app for a while (somewhere between 6-12 months). I wish I could check, but I'm like on my 4th account (Whisper likes removing your account it the app gets some trouble with storage space or you get a new phone) so I can't see my oldest post (searching for them isn't easy either because you can't search for usernames as far as I know).
i used to have the sort of mindset of “oh i’m homophobic but also i’m not”… at that point i was still denying that i’m omnisexual and nonbinary
"You keep using that word I don't think it means what you think it means."
Me at many of these people.
Hey Jamie! I just wanted to comment because you’re one of my favorite ccs and such an inspiration for me! I recently got my binder and am really happy about it! 💖✨
Congrats on getting the binder!!
Congratulations!!!!! 🥳🥳🥳🥳 Make sure to bind safely 😁
@@Thing-ru6fy Ty! Me and my mom picked it out and I’m doing my best to not wear it for more than 7-8hrs ^^
Good for you I’m so proud of you!!! Good luck!
Ahhhhhh! Good luck with the binder. Sending you all of the gender euphoria!
Minor TW for internal homophobia and transphobia as well as bigoted family.
I'm LGBT+, grew up in a heavily homophobic, transphobic, racist and overal bigoted family. I had heavy internalised homophobia and transphobia for a long time, but I never had those thoughts directed at others. I eventually realised I was LGBT+ and am now really happy in my gender identity and sexual and romantic orientation. I'm happy to express my gender and I actually ordered a binder earlier this week. This video really helped me get over the hatred I felt towards myself for having those thoughts, so thank you so much Jamie, you are one of my favourite cc's. 🌈💜
okay that Adam and Steve one got a chuckle out of me