Are Transphobes The Baddies? Trans Guy Reacts
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- Go to buyraycon.com/... for 15% off your order! Brought to you by Raycon
I came across this very interesting post where someone with anti-trans views is questioning whether they're a 'baddie' for having these views.
Predatory people in women's bathrooms is a predatory people issue. NOT a trans issue.
- cis woman ally
Indeed it is a further example of our rampant cis men being unchecked and predatory issue
Thanks for the support ❤️
@@billjane5522 what about their post is bigoted? i think you jumped a few hoops there in how you interpreted what they said...
@@billjane5522 no one transitions to attack people, that's a myth. The amount of hoops and hurdles you have to go through means you have to do a lot more than just "identify".
🙌🏼 another one here!!
Putting pronouns is even useful if every single person involved is cis. Like, if you're working with a 'Dr. Alex Marshall' who has gender neutral style of dress and no obvious secondary sex characteristics then how do you refer to them? Cause there is nothing in that information there that lets you know their pronouns as their appearance is neutral, their name is neutral, and they don't go by Mr. or Ms. so chances are you're gonna have to ask for their pronouns at some point. Despite what TERFs think, not everyone is going to be easy to guess the pronouns of. So just get it out the way at the beginning and treat it like asking for a name.
A valid argument for this is that over text, people with ambiguous names may want to be presumed male because it often leads to them being treated better. Which sucks, and it shouldn't be that way, but that's the way it is.
A (cismale) friend of mine, with a gender specific name, told me he gets frequently misgendered on the phone. Most of the time he ignores that and moves on, letting them understand it a bit late.
In my language, btw, everything is always gendered, unlike in English where it's essentialy limited to third person pronouns...
Also, I work with a lot of students from other countries. I wouldn't be able to tell their gender by their name.
Also, if a cis man dresses more feminine or a cis woman dresses more masculine and they have gender neutral names this would also be helpful.
Transphobes would probably call them it then I've been called it before the person thought I'd be offended but nope I wasn't you should've seen them try and misgender me because despite me not using male pronouns I don't care if someone uses them for me I just prefer to use other pronouns so it was hilarious
I got a tattoo yesterday, and when I checked in they said "I'm sorry, I think we forgot to ask when you made the appointment: What are you pronouns?" Even though I'm cis, it made me happy. It just made me feel like they cared. I'm honestly flummoxed by people who get angry about checking pronouns.
I have yet to encounter irl or online a person asking pronouns ... guess I'm going to the wrong places ... then again I live in a white majority Christian community ...
yay
Honestly I would ask whether they were going to talk about me in front of me (which is kinda rude) because if they're just talking to me they'll use the gender neutral "you", and if they said no to the question, then I'd say why they're asking about my pronouns because what do I care about what they're saying about me when I'm gone, as long as I never find out about it? The only way saying my pronouns could be useful is if they want to address me as Mr or Ms [last name].
Tbh this pronoun stuff makes me uncomfortable. In this regard I wish I had been born in Finland because they only have one third person pronoun, so it's gender neutral, but even they need to deal with pronouns when speaking English. But at least they can say that gendered pronouns are tough for them because they don't have them in their language if they accidentally misgender someone. In English there's they as gender neutral third perspn pronouns, but in my language all the proposed gender neutral third person pronouns are made up and sound ridiculous. Maybe they'll come up with something better at some point.
@@solar0wind Tattoo places and piercing places (and other such places which do individual appointments like haircuts) may talk about you on their website/show pictures of the tattoo/piercing/haircut/etc. (if you give explicit consent) or to communicate with other workers. If you’re going to the same shop for another tattoo, the worker may say to another worker: “You did her tattoo, right? The pumpkin on her left arm?” In that case, they’re talking about you when you’re in the room. The may simply refer to you as “Miss” when talking to you-“How do you like the haircut, miss?”-they’d need your pronouns to gauge what honorific to use. And, at the baseline purpose, it’s polite. All of the pronouns I used here to refer to “you” are just placeholders, BTW.
Flummoxed 💀
I hate the argument that trans women shouldn’t be allowed in cis womens spaces for cis womens safety, but if there’s a person that goes out of there way to be a girl just to prey on women, that’s not a trans women that’s a predator
This this this! Plus, if someone (man, trans woman or otherwise) is, for example, assaulting people in bathrooms then it doesn’t matter whether they were ALLOWED to be there or not, they’re still not allowed to be assaulting anyone.
Yes! It’s basically just gonna put trans men in women’s only spaces, who actually are men.
@@laynar1929 imagine putting a hairy buff trans man with a beard in the women’s bathroom, they probably wouldn’t like that. But according to their logic thats a _woman_
@@meinkanta I agree with you, what stops predators from entering gender-exclusive spaces that have no security? What about masculine women, feminine men, or androgynous people, are they supposed to be thrown out for not being 'perfect feminine/masculine' ? Funny thing, during convents where one hall is used as a sleeping space, men allow women to use their toilet's stalls because the whole gender concept falls apart when you have to and/or poop!
I'm a trans woman let's say if I was in a woman's toilet and some creepy guy came in and started spying on people you can bet good money on the odds of me at least trying to whoop his ass so trans women being allowed in women's spaces makes those spaces safer because there's safety in numbers
"My friends agree with me, but they will agree with me before shutting me down and promptly shifting the conversation" I don't think this womans friends agree with her, I think they just want her to shut up
I agree. I dont think her husband agrees with her either...
The "I know" response feels so freaking familiar because it's what I've had to say so many times when my dad spouts off transphobic bullshit and I'm too tired to argue
same
omg it's the official england hii
If I see a trans man in the womens restroom, I'd be way more confused than seeing a trans WOMAN in the WOMENS restroom
Based on the capitalization, I can only assume, but I wanted to ask anyway. This is sarcasm, right?
@@randommeowthekitty6482 No, it's true. Why would a trans man be in the women's bathroom? That's more confusing than any woman, even a cis one, using the women's bathroom.
Same with transgender women in men's bathrooms
The worst part is that a lot of men and women can try to pass off as transgender so they can go to women's and men's bathrooms
@@randommeowthekitty6482 I'm saying women (cis or trans) belong in the womens restroom. No transphobia from me
@@airplanes_aren.t_real No. No they don't.
Remember you are all loved, even if your family doesn't care everyone here does. Don't listen to anyone who puts you down, they are not worth your time. You are a amazing person and I'm proud of you all. Keep being your incredible selfs.
U tooooooo :D ♡♡♡
Thank you 😊
Thank you this made my day
Thanks
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Why does this woman want to share a bathroom with Jamie so badly lmao
Maybe she needs tips on how to get such awesome hair! I'd totally run into the men's room to ask Jamie about his hair. (not really that's creepy haha).
THIS. XD
She just really wants to hear his butt go toot
Ok, obviously this woman is indeed a transphobe and transphobia should never be tolerated, HOWEVER, this is how it starts. No transphobe will do a full 180 after seeing some stats etc. They will go from full transphobe, to slowly questioning themselves and their views, to skeptical, to tolerating, accepting and hopefully embracing at one point. She still has a long journey ahead of her, but I still think it should be acknowledged, that what she is doing is positive. I also think she probably expressed herself more transphobic in this post than she actually is, since she is posting in this echo chamber and is scared of the potential backlash of her transphobic friend.
Yes, this! The post read more like someone who was assuring themselves and putting on a facade than wholeheartedly believing what they were saying. The Seed of Doubt has its roots firmly planted in this person, and it can only grow from here.
Exactly. A person isn't a monster for having the wrong views. They were just taught the wrong things or refused to accept changes. We should not tolerate their viewpoints but instead, acknowledge that they can change their viewpoints. Even if it takes a while, call them out, and do our best not to force viewpoints to change but instead give the nudge it needs to get it to change. Even if it is slowly.
I hope JK Rowling changes her mind at some point. I'm not holding out hope, but it would be nice. I feel like having such a high-profile and previously well-respected TERF out there validates a lot of these people, and maybe stops them from going through the process of questioning their beliefs because she's out there telling them they're an oppressed minority, that they've got to fight. I feel like if she changed her mind, maybe the people who look up to her would reconsider their stances as well. Maybe.
i was very transphobic when i was younger since i was raised by highly religious anti-lgbtq parents (they're still lovely people dont get me wrong i love them but like r e l i g i o n ugh) and almost everyone i knew and everyone around me was in that mindset. i didnt even know anybody personally who was part of the lgbtq community, at least publicly. then as time went on and i met ppl who were gay and trans and all that and i started to question my ideas and my religion. now here i am, not a transphobe and an ally :D (probably queer too but im figuring that out). transphobes arent monsters or terrible people -- i was still a decent kid when i was transphobic i think -- they're just misled and blinded.
I used to be homophobic but after I read a book where two guys got together in the most _adorable_ way (gushed for about half an hour after I read the kissing scene) I did a complete 180. Maybe if a transphobic person meets a trans person or one of their friends comes out as trans to them and they like em a lot, maybe they’ll 180 too.
I'd actually love to see a compilation of a hidden camera "prank" where a trans man who has transitioned years ago and looks like a bear with a very full beard and muscles goes to visit the women's toilet where known transphobes are currently in. Just washing his hands and adjusting his clothes. And when the transphobes are complaining to him, he simply says "Sorry, madam but you wrote that trans women shouldn't be allowed in women's toilet, so logically I as a trans man am not allowed in the men's toilet. You brought this on yourself." I'd really like to see their faces when they slowly understand what they are being told.
That'd be amazing actually
this should be a documentary where people actually do this
Omg amazing
I wish the person who wrote that message hadn't gone to their echo chamber for this. If there had been a patient person with pro trans views there to talk to them maybe this could have been the beginning of them leaving their transphobia behind
Yeah, they’re not likely to get feedback that challenges their misconceptions, but it’s good they posted this on a platform where it could cause similarly-minded people to question their beliefs.
I would be interested to see if she did, though.
It still might happen. I was deep into this sort of echo chamber back when I was still living in closeted denial. Not the exact same because "gender critical" didn't exist back then, but same basic denial of reality. It wasn't people with pro-trans views that necessarily changed me, but therapy and working on myself (getting sober was a big part of it,) which lead to me questioning everything about myself, my views and eventually realizing that I was a) trans & queer and b) had been a transphobic and homophobic jerk ever since I was traumatized into the closet back when I was a kid.
This person's experience may not be the same, but they might keep questioning. This still could be the beginning of them leaving their transphobia behind, echo chamber or not. And maybe they can cause others in the echo chamber to start questioning too. There is a lot of atheists that left destructive and abusive cults the same way.
@@Anarchasuccubus
Very true.
Good for you, by the way!
@@Zephirite. Thank you! And you are very correct too! I didn't see your comment when I posted mine, or else I would've simply said "Ditto." :)
I actually went ahead and searched this thread via incognito browser and I'm sad to say that re: the geopolitics part p much don't care about the right wingers who share their views and write it off as "a complicated case." Even worse is that their fears about the bathroom infiltration myths seem to be at the forefront, and they aren't interested in looking at the evidence. The anxiety around shared spaces almost seems like the crux of their ideology, because they have nothing else left to stand on besides "they're destroying our girls*" which some cite comes with "infertility" which is hilarious bc transmasculine people are still very much able to become pregnant while on HRT. It's so infuriating that they aren't simply incurious about explanations from outside their echo chamber, but also afraid of them. Doxological anxiety, as Abigail Thorn described it.
“Transphobe questions transphobia” society really took a turn 🕺
hello genderfluid orange juice
hi lol im subbed to u 🤸♂️
@@AAAAAAAUUUGGGGHHHHH omg I love this
@@AAAAAAAUUUGGGGHHHHH Wait isn’t Pepsi brown-
Heyo I saw you on jays channel you got a hearted comment
I feel like a lot of things in her post are her talking to other people that sort of just go "Sure, whatever" because they don't want to argue about trans rights (which are human rights) with this poster.
If you can't defend your argument then you probably don't have an argument in the first place
@@airplanes_aren.t_real it's more of a pick your battles kind of thing. Why would you try to convince someone you know can't be convinced? Not everyone wants to fighting people all the time, it gets annoying and exhausting fast. If someone is just going to debate in bad faith there is literally no point in debating with them.
@@mermaidismyname agreed
Disagree actually, it sounded more like they want to seem respectful to the writer's opinions, but then bring in counter arguments (like BLM and kids being tortured by their own bodies). It's the "liberal" way of arguing I think lol.
@@Tijggie82 I agree with how you described the argument style, but calling it liberal seems a bit much. It's more of a middle of the road type argument, someone who isn't strongly either side of the political spectrum, or if they're not very confrontational people. The democrats and liberals in my state are quite feisty bc the state is red, if you're gonna be heard you have to shout, so the very opposite of what you described. The first pride was a riot after all
In fact sometimes giving pronouns can help some cis who have a neutral forname (or pseudo) and don't want to be misgendered
Yeah! My grandmother was happy when her workplace started having people put pronouns in emails because her name is René and people kept assuming she was a guy.
@@TheAngelicTrickster well, to be fair, René is the male variant of that name, the female variant is Renée (or Renee) but that’s not her fault and I’m glad she benefits from this ‘tidal wave’ ;-).
Happy for her. My name is feminine so I never get misgendered but I would hate it.
Or have a somewhat high voice as a cis male. "I've never talked to a woman with that name. " Errrr, you still haven't...
:)
Tbh not only gender neutral names but also 'unusual' (for my region) names. We do have employees from all over the world and I do have to google a lot of names in hope of not misgendering anyone. It would be great to have pronouns everywhere.
I have to say I like that people I'm emailing don't know my gender as I find in a corporate setting I'm treated better if people think I'm a man, or could be a man - I'll get faster responses and my questions are taken more seriously. I know a lot of others who have had the same experience and even read about a woman who made up a male colleague for this reason! Personally I usually just use they/them to refer to everyone initially. I think having to state pronouns in meetings is fantastic practice though!
Jamie: there is no actual reason to fear trans people
Me: Wrong, they control the dinosaurs. What do you think the T in T-Rex stands for.
omg. I never knew. Does my trans friend know this? Omg he must! He's lying in wait.
Triceratops? More like Tricera Top Surgery
😂
T rEx
Who controls the Raptors then? They are way cooler.
A club I joined having everyone state their name and pronouns was when I impulsively asked them to call me he/him. That went on to make me so comfortable with them. When I got that club to hang out with my main club, my main group heard them calling me he and they joined in.
I've now been out among my main groups and friends for years.
this made me happy
"Marjorie Taylor Greene and Rand Paul, neither of which are people"
Perfect line break there.
I thought it was an auto correct mistake and the OP meant Ru Paul. Lol.
I know you MTG is, thank goodness I have no idea who this Rand Paul is, and don't have any plans to find out. Lol
@@jaegrant6441 Probably for the best that you don't know who Rand Paul is. 🤣 Keep yourself in good spirits, don't go down that rabbit hole.
Uhm I have something random but this kid that goes to my CATHOLIC SCHOOL found out that I’m non-binary anddddd uhm I’m screwed :/
If anyone at my Catholic school found out that I was non-binary (other than my close friend) I’d run as far away as possible
Good luck, stay safe ❤️
Well my parents don’t know so I’m basically dead
I wish you luck
I wish you luck with that. If my mother, or, god forbid, *her* mother, found out I’m non-binary then I’d be not only dead but completely and utterly obliterated.
I feel like she's on the verge of a breakthrough. She just needs someone who will take the time with her. Not somebody on the internet, studies show that doesn't really do anything, but someone in her life. Perhaps her friend who works with youth might be able to reach her. It's tiring, but now is a crucial moment for her, so I wish those in her life the strength they'll need to change her mind.
This! The Seed of Doubt is there! It just needs watering!
I wish I could be this optimistic. It seems like she just wants people to reassure her that being 'at home in the Left' gives her full power to be the one who gets to decide what is okay and what is 'too much' when it comes to LGBT rights and feminism. Drinking those sweet, cis tears, nomnomnom. I think the real issue is that she feels she doesn't belong, she is not the queer ally she thought she was, and her husband doesn't listen to her anymore. It's her personal crisis, which is absolutely fine, but she's pretending it's about trans rights and about 'are we the bad one' (a reference to Webb and Mitchell, not the most trans informed comics lol.) when it's not. But yeah maybe you are right, and she'll have a breakthrough after much wandering in the dark... for starters she needs to stop hanging out on Mumsnet. I just have a feeling she'll have forgotten all about it in two weeks, or start a 'no pronouns in email' campaign, is all.
@@dandygardner9404 Oh for sure. Without any intervention, she will definitely get worse. :/
I swear this comments section is the most wholesome and supportive comments section on youtube and i’m glad to be a part of it :)
I was just thinking the same thing! I thought people were just going to be bashing this transphobe, but it’s mostly people saying that they have hope that this person will be able to change from their transphobic ways, which is really sweet and wholesome 🥰
yes
If you haven’t already, check out One Topic at a Time!!!! His comments sections are most like Jamie’s, and he’s incredibly wholesome! Jamie has even collaborated with him!
This post went like
"Am I out of touch?"
"No, it's the transes who are wrong!"
I was raised conservative Evangelical in the states, went to Seminary, had all the homophobic and transphobic views, became a pastor and taught those views.
My "Are we the baddies?" Moment was Charlottesville, and how everyone in my church actually defended the actions of neo-Nazis and Klansmen.
Anyway, I'm a woman now and my bottom surgery is in 18 days.
Good luck with your surgery! :)
Good luck! :D
Good luck
One person commented that they heard tastebuds instead of hey spuds and now I can't unheard it lol thanks
Transphobes can change, a lot of these people seem to be close to developing into a decent person soon.
Right? Slow progress is better than no progress. I truly believe that everyone can grow and change to be more accepting, informed, and inclusive. Sometimes, it's gotta be one step at a time.
I was transphobic when I was young. This was largely because I had next to zero exposure or education on the subject.
I knew a miserable man. Never knew why he was miserable. Until one day, after having been away for a couple years, I met her, happier than I have ever seen her. She started my curiosity, which blossomed into education and any phobia slowly melted away.
Sadly, I don't remember her name. Only her dead name, hence the nameless post.
@@WukongTheMonkeyKing I was transphobic too before coming out.
I hope more transphobic people have that experience, it seems like it would stop a lot of transphobia.
@@Snarl_Marx exactly, it took my grandparents a long time to be less prejudiced for example. They’re still not perfect but they have lgbt and POC grandchildren who they love.
Was transphobic. Probably still is a bit transphobic because I can't imagine the idea of being in a sexual relationship with a trans male (I'm homosexual biromantic) but I do love and appreciate trans people. I just feel sad that I'm not sure if I'm still homophobic and transphobic because I don't know the criteria for that.
I think the friends saying "I get you but..." was kinda being polite to keep them listening. "I understand you have worries but what you have to understand is..." I don't think she was agreeing that these things are real concerns.
Yes, it totally read as “How can i disagree without you blowing up in my face?” The poster just doesn’t have the social skills to realize that politeness =/= agreement.
i saw a poll today asking if people like dinosaurs and i immediately commented *dinosaurs are cool transphobia is not*
I think OP is in a valuable "in-between" space. One one hand, they want to hold on to their transphobic / cissexist views. One the other hand, there's now the possibility of abandoning those views (maybe even become an ally, if we're lucky!). In other words, they are taking the first step on the path to giving up at least some of their cissexist views and behaviors. But in order to do that, they have to go through this middle phase where they begin to reflect on their views.
First, they recognize their views are unpopular; they're thinking, "If I'm right, why don't more people agree with me or feel safe agreeing with me?" Second, their views align them with people who do not share their values; they're thinking, "If I'm correct, why does that ally me with people I despise?" These are good first questions for them to ask.
On the other hand, they are not ready to admit they're wrong. The enormity of the shame and guilt that would come from being so wrong would definitely be too much for someone to process all at once (I know this from experience). And they are posting these thoughts on an extremely transphobic platform. They're not going to feel safe fully questioning their views when their audience would probably be hostile to self-reflections that conflict with their transphobic worldview.
What I'm saying is, the OP probably cannot, at the moment, admit the full depth of their misgivings, even to themselves. That's why there's all of that weird, "I support LGBT+ people in my workplace" alongside "I will never introduce myself with pronouns."
Cissexism & transphobia are internally logically inconsistent views. However, Western societies make it very easy to ignore those inconsistencies. OP is only just beginning to see the cracks. It is a valuable (and I would argue, essential!) place for them to be. Of course, that doesn't mean this person is an ally, or even safe for trans pp to be around. They are not there, but they might get there.
Underrated comment. I know this stuff from experience too. It’s a hard road to travel and it will take a while, but I think this person has already started.
this is a very smart comment. i’m replying so i can come back here from time to time.
Boring cisgender straight mom here. Why do bathrooms even have to be gender-specific? Can't it just be for everyone and having a separate space for urinals? Seems so simple to me. Also will probably make it easier for me because it would make lines shorter. We all shut the door behind us hopefully. Why is this a thing?
I agree, when I go to men’s public restrooms or festivals, there’s actually a lot of women going in the men’s restroom because the line was shorter than the women’s restroom. Some people just wanna make up reasons to hate on trans people. I don’t understand why they bother.
It’s like that in some countries already, and they don’t seem to have any issues.
Yeah that’d be nice, then I wouldn’t have to do and internal screech every time I wanted to go to the bathroom (I’m agender)
Dunno why but for my whole life every time I've seen a gender neutral bathroom, I have, without fail, chosen to enter it over the gendered one. I can safely say I've never been assaulted in one, not even when I was just a dumb little kid.
And also, this really helps parents and people with disabilities and those caring for them. If you have to help someone to go to the bathroom, or caring for someone who can't be left alone, it can be pretty uncomfortable to go to the bathroom in a public space if you're opposite genders. So why is this a thing...
I enjoy that the friend and husband were "getting" her aRgUmEnT but then backhandedly telling her she's wrong
I used to be a bit of a terf, which is awkward since I'm trans. I got over my transphobia long before I realized I was genderfliud, but I do still have to check myself occasionally
yeah, I was too. but then I came to terms with being a trans woman. kinda didn't make sense to be hateful of other trans people after I accepted myself.
Same here. I was vaguely aware that something bothered me about transphobic jokes long before I stopped laughing at them; and while I felt sympathetic towards trans folks as I finally started learning even fragments about them, I still leaned to the TERFy side and "science" for much too long. And even now, being much more informed about the reality of it, the *actual* science around it, and real experiences with it, and even being in the genderfluid realm myself, I still need to check myself on a number of trains of thought that, honestly, are mostly just me being one of those people who wants to have tidy little categories to put things in despite being aware that gender is far, far too messy to fit into tidy little categories.
But that goes for just about anything. We should all take time to question all of our various views now and then, to make sure we're still on the right track - and if not, to figure out how to get back to the right track.
I used to think « facts don't care about your feelings » and then I went « why should we care about facts more than we care about each other ? » and it made a lot more sense
@@slavishentity6705 It *is* important to keep facts in mind. But the facts... actually support trans experiences. Even if they didn't, facts are no excuse to simply disregard feelings. While feelings are not, themselves, facts, that people have feelings is still a fact, and that those feelings play an important role in our lives is still a fact.
Implications and logical conclusions of the transphobic form of "facts don't care about your feelings" include the idea that that biology (as they think they understand it) is a more real and valid science than psychology or sociology (and I've seem some go so far as to outright claim psychology to be a "fake" science, even in almost the same breath they claim being trans is a mental illness - which has a lot to unpack itself), and the validation of ideas like suppression of freedoms for the sake of order and restrictions on procreation to try to weed out "problematic" genes from the population (things which I'm sure the majority of transphobes would still at least usually be against and are just failing to see how it connects).
Facts and feelings need to be considered *together* to find the best solutions. Can't make good decisions being blind to the facts, but can't find and carry out good solutions without acknowledging and appropriately accommodating feelings.
@@SomeOnlinePerson That's funny, everything you just said is right. It's just that a not so long time ago, I would have said that your sex = your gender and your feelings won't change that. But the truth is that gender is an accumulation of words, language habits and stereotypes that were associated with genitals and body types. But saying « gender is a social construct » is a good way to sound like you're trying too hard to sound smart, even though it's correct. So maybe that's why I stayed a transphobe until I gave up on my atheistic, realistic and un-chaotic view on reality.
I got my first binder on Monday and I can't stop trying on all of my clothes ^-^
Congratulations! I wish I had one too
My new one is in the mail! Apparently the last one I got was too small, but I can’t wait
Ahhh congrats 🎉 where did you get yours (like which brand lol)
congrats ❤️❤️
Congrats! That is great to hear😁
I really don't get the people who call themselves leftists but are still transphobes. I mean...if you support liberation and oppose supremacy oppression (which is supposed to be the unifying theme of the different branches of the left), shouldn't it be pretty clear that supporting cis supremacy is an anti-leftist position?
ahahssattaannana - The crux of it is that it makes sense in their head because they’re working from a different set of facts than us. This is how all these groups work: they promote a false set of facts as a baseline for their belief, and the core of deprogramming them is to show them that the facts they think are real are in fact not.
I personally was a raging conservative years ago, but when someone I trusted as being Always Right spouted as fact something I knew not to be the case from experience, that was a Seed of Doubt for me, which eventually lead to my deprogramming. It sounds like agreeing with Marjorie Taylor Green was the Seed for the person writing the post Jamie read.
@@hi-ve1cw It's also completely the opposite of reality. Transwomen were basically spying on The Patriarchy pre-transition and _have firsthand evidence_ of the difference in how men and women are treated. They have the receipts! They're a huge asset to the fight for gender equality!
Well you see, they only oppose supremacy when it suits them :)
Altough to be frank, atleast the extreme left througout history has been pretty uncooperative and very keen on their way being the only true way, and being opressive instead themselves. But ah, I might have a different understanding of things, I'm not from the US and things are much more different here, pardon.
@@huhhuh9598 Oh, leftist transphobes certainly aren't alone in being leftists with terrible ideas. Any ideology goes rancid when adherence takes precedence over content...it's just frustrating to see people who place themselves in a category with me fumble what I think of as the point of that category *so badly*.
I think there's a difference between liberal and leftist. Leftist seems to be the far left, liberal is basically anyone with sort of nontraditional views.
"Cis supremacy"? Please. How could that be when we don't agree with cis people either???!!!! No one is "supreme" here, it's just about objecting to forceful ideology we don't agree with. "TERFs" don't even think all trans men are predators, they just are firmly opposed to the ones that are. Is that such a terrible thing to ask?
I used to be a little bit of a transphobe, back in like,,, middle school, cos I was young and didn't really understand the concept of gender vs sex.
Turns out I didn't get it cos I don't have a gender myself lmaoooo
I'm at such a loss. My 13yr old is vocally phobic of everyone in the LGBTQ+ community. I have no idea how to counter or educate him, mostly because I'm dealing with an immense amount of pain as I have a trans sister, gay brother, and I'm non-binary.
Try and limit what they watch on yt and them on their internet
@@vixymix101 I disagree. Limiting him might just make the problem worse as he may start to view his parent as 'controlling' or even a 'snowflake.' I think a better idea is to just expose him to videos with other, better ideas and have talks and debates with him. Ideally, he should start to change for the better naturally, without force.
Have you asked them why he feels like that and listened to what's driving that behaviour? It could be an ill guided way of seeking attention, or a he doth protest too much way of expressing unease with similar feelings in himself (I went through a similar phase, partially because it riled other people up and got their attention, and also because it camouflaged my own gender non conformity that I was hiding at all costs (the 90s...)), or maybe he's just trying to fit in with peers. You won't know until you talk to him and listen to his views. Once you've done that you can maybe understand why he's doing it and explain to him the consequences, on you, on others, and most of all on himself.
@@catpoke9557 yeah Tru Tru, although for me when I was like this, I acted like that cause of the internet, I kinda wish my parents limited it a bit.
He's got appropriate parental controls and boundaries at home. A big part of the issue is that he goes to his biological fathers every other weekend and there is a lot of phobia there neatly packaged and delivered in the guise of 'christianity'. I'm trying not to take his rejection personally and I've reached out to my therapist for help processing through those feelings so I can continue to compassionately educate him.
Also aside of it helping trans people to me more accepted, wouldn't adding pronouns in emails help in general? If someone is calles Alex or Robin, i don't know who they (presumibly) are
It's also helpful for foreign or unique names you aren't used to. Like Aoibhe (you are probably pronouncing it wrong in your head)
Honestly that is my main question to homophobic/ransphobic people - what impact does this have on your life? They are just so selfish, it's not about you dude, nobody's making you have a relationship with a same-sex person if you don't want to, nobody is making you transition if you don't want to. It's about other people. Such little things as pronouns (that once again have no impact on the person in question) can make the other people just a little happier on the daily basis! So what is the freaking problem? I just don't get it
They think everything is about them and then when it isn't they try to make it about them
@Hunter Rayna this, all of this.
Sometimes you have to remember that changing from hatred to acceptance of LGBTQ+ is basically changing a whole core belief about gender and sexuality that you've been taught since birth, which can't happened in one night. This is also how internal homophobic exist. I literally spent at least 3 years learning and changing my view (while constantly being restricted by almost everyone around me) before i open up myself to the idea of LGBTQ+. It's hard, it's a journey, and people need time.
@@tidepodpadthai2633 they aren't making demands of strangers
Yea cause it’s not like trans women arnt trying to get into women sport get women scholarships , go into women prisons
I'd love to leave it alone if what you said was true and it really didn't affect me. To someone whose entire life is pretty deeply affected by the fact that I have to listen to this shit all the time and I'm not allowed to speak my truth and I'm a horrible subperson for thinking it (and as someone who uses bathrooms and dressing rooms)- not to mention that the label "cis" IS in fact forced upon me- "it doesn't affect you" is a pathetic lie. You want to be left alone? Fair enough. Do the same fucking thing to other people.
I’m NB and it’s my birthday and it’s ITL NB day so happy enby day everyone!
I get a spud video on my bday- what a gift 💝
Happy birthday, and happy nb day!
@@lila.23456 aye! Happy NB day lovely
Happy birthday and happy NB dayyyyyyyyy
Happy non binary birthday:)
Happy birthday and NB day!
_-A demiboy :)_
Happy international non-binary people’s day! Have a great day :)
YES ITS FINALLY MY DAY >:0
Yes! Happy international nonbinary day, my fellow enby folks
IT'S THAT TIME ALREADY? THE DAY IN MY COUNTRY IS ALMOST OVER AND I'M AT WORK AND I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING FOR IT! T_T
WAIT IT'S OUR DAY?? WOO!!
OMG YESSS!! Im non-binary(she/they)
The whole pronoun battle transphobes fight is so absurd. Even before I knew about trans people and other gender expressions (aka, when I was a youngling), I was aware of androgynous people. And I had a basic level of shame. So the sheer awkwardness of not knowing someone's gender or misgendering people that didn't fit my view of women vs men or fit into the "wrong" bracket by my juvenile logic was a legit fear. Getting to open introductions with "What are your preferred pronouns?" would abolish that horrifying fear of misgendering and the shame and hurt coming from that.
sort of strikes me like someone deconverting from religion. it takes steps before you realize youre down a slide into reality and you dont really believe in the underpinnings of this massive thing built up in your mind.
it can be scary, but im glad that there are always folk who are learning.. even if it's maybe "too late" at least it's not never.
lol I did both. I was a transphobe and an evangelical. but then I realized I was Bi & trans and now I"m an athiest.
Welcome to the atheist club. We have free cocktails.
It is *exactly* like deconverting from a religion. Strongly held Political beliefs are no different from religious ones.
damn. I can't believe this is what it took for them to even question their logic. If it can even be called that because theyre only really questioning if theyre on the "popular side." Thats really distressing as someone who had self doubt issues and internalized transphobia to the point where, even when I finally stopped legitimately questioning if it was okay for me to exist, I still compulsively agreed when someone called me something transphobic. Of course that was just my own insecurity, but truly one of my core values is open mindedness where we can constantly question the world and learn new things. I guess it's just shocking and kind of hurtful to realize the transphobes never cared nearly as much as I did about the actual moral implications. it's... disturbing
I'm reminded of something Council of Geeks said - they had explained that it's normal for people to have gut reactions to all sorts of things. No one can help it. The difference between those who are fearful or thoughtful depends on what the person does with that gut feeling. Does the person continue to react? Or do they question where the gut feeling comes from?
I quite liked this one. It's kind of nice to see what some people are saying and be able to break down the arguments and such. (It's also kinda nice to see transphobes admit they don't think they're going to win this in the end or even wonder aloud if maybe they're not right after all.)
A lot of people have this annoying attitude of “well.. society has told me this behaviour is unacceptable but instead of understanding and emphasising with why it’s bad I’ll act “nice” in public and slag off people in private” it sucks, this kind of thing reminds me of that
👆👆🏻👆🏼👆🏽👆🏾👆🏿 *This* × 1000👆🏿👆🏾👆🏽👆🏼👆🏻👆
TBF to the poster's friend, I use "I get that" when I mean "I get that you think that (but you're wrong)" because my own mental health can't take another round of circular arguments because the other person has no logic.
A moment of silence for the person who told me all intersex people are male or female 💀
Lol no what? I… wtf?
@@Life-uu5yo idek 😭
Legally they are
@@mo.ka.9661 this person was very clear they were talking biology 🤨
@@junipersr you either have a y chromosome or you don't, intersex refers to secondary sex characteristics that are not as cut and dry
I don't agree with misgendering people, but I wonder if any people have tried using neutral pronouns with these kind of people, and whenever they say "don't call me that, use she/he or him/her", then you can simply say "I'm sorry, I didn't know how to address you as you never told me your pronouns. If we simply announced them at the start of talking, everyone could be addressed properly." I'm sure they will argue, but they won't have much of a leg to stand on. Plus if they cooperate, then the better policy will be used and isn't that a win?
My thing about the they pronoun is that it doesn't roll off the tongue for me very well. I just use the person's name or say "that person" while gesturing toward their direction. Like think in terms of "Who left these tools out?" or "Whose backpack is this?" etc
I read an article not too long ago about some actor and there was a picture of this person and a baby. The caption used they/their pronouns and it just read clunky to me. Could've very easily just used their names and then described their activities.
I mean, if you know someone well enough to know their pronoun preference then you probably know their name as well. 🤷♀️
I would just call them by there name an that it
@@jborrego2406 Yeah like if idk someone's preference I tend to say "That person" because it seems more specific than "they" which can be confused for multiple people. I do say they/their a lot for a hypothetical person in scenarios because it represents the possibility of a group. But if I've just come from a meeting where I'm telling someone what another person said I can't just go "They said..." I would have to use a proper name or else the person I'm speaking to will think it was a consensus quote. If that makes sense.
I feel sorry for the HR person at her work, she probably thinks "Oh, here comes Trans-Exclusionary lady again to cite made up statistics at me. Guess I'd better smile and pretend I understand her viewpoint"
Worst superhero ever 😂
Just had a vision of a protest at a terf convention of a crowd a trans men and trans women hanging out in the wrong bathrooms (trans men in the women's and visa versa) making people feel uncomfortable but anytime they objected, pointing out that this is what they want this is what they're arguing for. Silly idea, would probably put a lot of trans people in danger, but the thought of a pearl clutching woman trying to argue made me smile.
I am sharing this on my Facebook with the hope someone "on the fence" sees reason.
So close to self-awareness, and yet so far
I feel like part of being an adult is the ability to look at someone and think, "I don't like the choices they've made and would not have made them myself, but that doesn't make them wrong or less worthy of my time and energy." The problem is that transphobes have followed this thought process, "I don't like the change, it makes me feel icky and is therefore wrong and bad."
Worked in a call center and I Wish Pronouns were a thing. Also Gender Neutral Formal Title, like Mr., Mrs., Ms., because unclear gender of name + different voices(called many guys "ma'am") + bad phone connections = Awkwardness
Strange how some cis folks can be sensitive to the wrong sir/ma'am or Miss/Mrs./Ms. but can't empathize with trans folks being misgendered. Also gender-neutral and collective nouns for nieces and nephews need to be popularized plz
hello! there actually is a gender neutral formal title, Mx. (pronounced mix), though i imagine it could sound like "miss" over the phone if the connection is bad. as for nieces and nephews, the word i've heard used is "niblings" :)
@@sharkgay Interesting! I'll remember that. I had heard "niblings" but I thought that was for our NB siblings! ^)^
there is Mx. (Mix)
I was referred to as "ma'am" the other day. I said "that's actually incorrect, if you must, please use Mx." Immediately the person responds "I'm sorry miss" 🤦♀️
So its basically "im right, but i dont like that other shitty people agree with me." Not really questioning what side they're on, just trying to have a last minute "im not the bad guy," moment, pretending to be critically thinking.
I think these heavier videos are important, especially for allies and people who are new to the discourse as your input helps them see through the fake concern TERFs and other transphobes perform in order to seem less hostile and more protective of women and/or children.
This feels like a monthly conversation I have with my mom. Everytime the conversation ends with her telling me shes entitled to her opinions. No matter how many facts or logic I give her she cannot wrap her head around the social changes happening "when back in her day ...." I have resigned myself to the fact that she will not change, my hope is in the youth to adopt social change and make the world a better place.
Tell her it doesn't matter if it's an opinion, an opinion can still be wrong such as "I think we should have slaves" yea it's an opinion.. doesn't matter tho, still wrong.
And tell her if she chooses to not be more opened minded that she's gonna be left alone in a nursing home, and she'll have no one to blame but herself.
@@vixymix101 I didnt say her opinions were right. Ive already threatened her, and I dont spend holidays with her or my family because I cannot stand being around them. She knows I have grown apart from her for her views but that still doesn't make someone change.
I have a transphobic classmate, who once tried to sit right next to me. I usually sit at least 1 seat away from people unless they’re my close friends. This classmate was not. I told him not to sit there, and he was like “whyyyyy”, mentally I was thinking “it’s because you’re really transphobic” but I said “because we don’t agree on some very important things” he sat a seat away from me, which was eh. I brought up the topic of lgbtq+ (I’m openly gay girl I think, gender is weird) and he said “oh yeah I’m fine with all that lesbian and gay stuff, but there are only 2 genders and you can’t change yours” and I was like “b r u h” and he was all “what?”
These people usually don’t know what they’re doing or who they’re hurting. We need to step up and educate them, not hate them senselessly.
WOW, I admire your composure and your compassion. You act with courageous truth. Brav[a, o] !
So u told someone where they can sit lol
@@jborrego2406 no I told him not to sit right next to me (I also have some sensory issues that make me anxious when people are too close)
@@HowievYT thanks so much, I feel like the hate that we get is something that we can fix not with anger and harsh words but with understanding and calm discussion.
The whole argument about Trans ppl being a danger to cis ppl is so stupid. I have a trans friend irl and I never once felt in danger around her. Someone that I did feel in danger around that I met the same year was a cis man because of some terrible things he did to ppl. I was also scared for everyone else’s safety as well. Trans ppl have never been the problem they’re just trying to live their life. They won’t put you in danger
Agreed, the only people I've ever felt unsafe around are (some) cis men
We know that trans woman won't put you in danger..but now a days anyone can claim to be a woman and can have access to private space. How do we sort out the liars.
@@ameliasellers6396 There are levels to people though. Whatever that individual predator thinks will work for them in that moment is what will be used. Not all predators are in-your-face immediately, lots of them are stealthy. Not every predator is an opportunity predator, some of them stalk and plan. Just as varied as any other group of people, predators also vary greatly from each other. Not saying it's happening left and right and should be assumed as rule but I'm also not saying it isn't possible at all.
@@JS-wv3iy Predators have historically been or posed as door to door salesmen, accident victims, cops, bosses, creepy guys following us around in the streets, and bad dates. Perhaps we should worry about outlawing and arresting the ones who have always been predators.
@@TheCardinalArt I agree, I'm just saying like it isn't a completely irrational line of thought that a predator might try to be faux trans to gain access to a victim. What IS irrational is being super freaked out about it and blowing it out of proportion like they do or using it to straight up fear-monger.
It is equally bad to say that it can't ever happen as it is to pretend that it happens all the time.
This is great. As for whether it’s useful or helpful, ABSOLUTELY. I’m Cis, and find this incredibly helpful for dismantling views I once had (I admit sadly, out of complete an utter ignorance), as well as giving me great tools for discussing why my views have changed with people who still think this this way. Great breakdown Jamie, well done.
I'm glad that you've become a better person. You're doing great :D
@@Nimatoir I didn’t need the atta-girl, but thank you. Always trying to learn and grow. I was never trans-exclusionary, but I listened to a lot of that rhetoric from ‘feminist’ circles and agreed it had merit. Until I actually started researching and realized it didn’t. At all. Then I started actually listening to trans people share their experiences and made some better friends. Funny how viewpoints seem to change when it’s no longer an ideology to be against but rather a person with a name and a face standing in front of you. Now I try and dismantle as much of this nonsense I hear, and Jamie’s videos are a huge help. Thanks for taking a moment to reach out to an internet stranger. ☺️
Can I just say I have been misgendered at every job I have ever worked until recently. I started at a new job and EVERYONE calls me by He/Him and uses my proper name and they are all so quick to correct people for misgendering me. It's so nice having an open and accepting work environment. I'm happy this person's work place is working with trans and Non-Binary people, like something as simple as respecting and acknowledging a persons pronouns really makes a difference. It can make a horrible day into a great one.
I like that people are being so much more accepting of pronouns but I wish in some situations like school it was optional and not required to reveal your pronouns cause for some trans people that’s validating but for others it kinda forces them to come out. Like for me if someone asked my pronouns I would just say she/her even though those aren’t the only pronouns I like to be referred to as
I treat the pronoun questions as "What pronouns would you like people *in this group and context* to use for you?" Sometimes it's not meant that way, but if people are so rude as to demand that we expose all parts of our minds for their inspection, I don't think it's wrong to politely move forward as if they've asked something more reasonable.
@@M_M_ODonnell that might work for some people, but for me, misgendering myself is so so much worse than other people misgendering me, I would much rather everyone just assume my pronouns, until I feel comfortable enough to come out to them, especially in professional situations (like work/university), where the opinions of other people (who are usually much older) can have serious impacts on my future. Normalizing asking for/ telling people your pronouns is great, but requiring it often forces people (especially nonbinary people) to come out to a particular group before they're ready
@@eleahflockhart 100% how I feel.
@@eleahflockhart I misgendered myself for years to keep myself safe. The only place I would be open was online with an alias with strangers. It's hard, but what helped me the most was to really focus on how I wasn't so much misgendering myself as I was keeping myself safe. Kinda like an undercover agent, like a spy! It isn't a perfect solution, but I felt even back then that my comfort while needing to stay closeted wasn't more important than the comfort of others. Hopefully someday the closet isn't as necessary, and cis society's comfort with things like pronouns will help make that day closer.
My work has started putting more gender options such as trans and non-binary, along with sexual orientations like asexual in their applications.
That’s awesome! But why does your work ask sexual orientation on applications? I don’t see how that’s relevant? (I’m in Canada & it’s illegal to ask such things)
@@kiarasutherland4305 It's part of the Equal Opportunities survey
I think these people would benefit a lot from actually meeting trans women - or even just watching youtube videos by trans people etc.
Because I imagine that these people currently get their impressions of trans women from movies, which, as we all know, portray trans people (in particular trans women) as caricatures, rather than as how they actually are.
When people on mumsnet think of trans women, their minds go straight to Buffalo Bill rather than a woman who is really just like them (but less prejudiced)
I think that poster is definitely having an "are we the baddies" moment and the weird phrasing just sounds like cognitive dissonance. Like actual cognitive dissonance, the moment of "I mean I get that [something they've believed as core for a while now] but also [new discovery]." right before the "ohh shit the thing I knew was wrong this all makes so much more sense that way" moment hits. I hope they figure it out quickly, and I especially hope that a lot of the regulars on that site read the post, like properly read it and give it serious thought. I'm actually kinda hopeful that that post will get the OP and at least a few others out of their transphobia.
I thought worrying about pronouns was kind of a needless pain and evidence of “liberal word police” abounding in society until I had a student come out to me as trans - trying to educate myself so I could support a young trans man in my class was how I found your channel! I’ve learned a lot and changed my understanding of trans issues because I could admit there are things I didn’t understand about someone with a difference set of experiences than I had. Hopefully, this poster is on the way to a better understanding and will someday soon be up for celebrating everyone being able to bring their whole self everywhere! It’s my hope, anyway, that most transphobia is more about ignorance than meanness - ignorance can be fixed if someone is willing to listen. Thanks again for putting yourself out there to explain things and have some of the hard discussions that are needed to overcome the ignorance!
dear enbys, ummm…
🙄
y’all r so goddamn valid that you deserve all the hugs and kithes in the world and ilysm, happy enby people’s day ☺️💕💕💕
I love how easily their argument is crumbling as soo as you bring trans men in the mix. Because by their logic jamie would need to go to the womens restroom. But i can guarantee that those karens would be the first to call him a pervert if he did so.
"I work for a large global organization in a senior role."
Well that would explain why they think so many people "agree" with them. The people around this person are probably humoring them because of their position.
Ding Ding Ding! Grinning and bearing bigotry by a senior executive is one of the hundreds of hellish indignities of corporate work/life.
I once had to email a staff member for an organization that had a unisex first name and I had no idea whether to address it as “dear mr…” or “dear ms…” or “dear mx…” so like adding pronouns can just even help clarify these small things!
At first, I thought, oh hey, this person’s on their way to unlearn things... but then they called allys attention seekers. Hmph
We could fix alot of the bathroom issues in the us if we adopted cubicles lome the uk. Then we (as in all countries) open up the sink area. Each cubicle locks and we just have unisex bathrooms.
You are one of the reasons I'm comfortable with being genderfluid and pangender 😆🏳️🌈💗🤍💜🖤💙 (closet I can find to genderfluid colors)
“Marjorie Q-anon Parkland Taylor Bloody Greene.” That’s clever. Why does this clever person go on to call people complying with corporate policy “easily led” and whatever else it was?
Because they are trying to appeal to the people in their echo chamber, so that they don’t get kicked out for questioning the echo chamber’s beliefs. It’s a very defensively-made post, which I admire (as someone who has gone through this sort of deprogramming before). The hesitation and the very specific example of MTG just screams of having doubts in their beliefs. I hope they get kicked out of the echo chamber, as that’s the best thing that could happen to a questioning hate drone (again, speaking as a former one).
9:45 This would also make it easier for men with bad intentions to actually just walk into women's spaces whenever they want. It would not, unlike what they think, make this any harder. They have this stereotype of a preditor dude just wearing a wig and claiming he is a woman as someone who will abuse this. Well...that same guy does not even have to wear the wig anymore. It solves nothing (There is nothing to solve in my opinion) and just makes people's lives worse.
I don't understand why people think trans people are attention seekers. We literally just want to be left alone to live our lives in peace.
For real. Don't even perceive me haha
Happy Nonbinary Day! Stay safe everyone :D
Happy Nonbinary Day to you as well!
I love listening to Jamie speak, he's so articulate and I find it so helpful to get his personal perspective as it helps me to vocalise my reasoning when I find my myself dumbstruck by people very much like the one who wrote this MumsNet post. "Bought into the nonsense hook line and sinker" - wow
I’m a boring white cis woman but I have my pronouns everywhere because if people like me do it it doesn’t make it seem like only gender noncoonforming people do it.
I never thought of it this way (boring white cis woman here as well ;-) ). maybe i should do it too^^
I actually feel bad for these people like surely they'd have so much more time and energy if they stopped trying to find reasons to hate trans people ????
@@hi-ve1cw First of all, you cannot by definition be cis and oppose "gender identity". And second, just because you think SOME men are dangerous doesn't mean you hate all men.
You're right. But don't feel bad because I spend my time intentionally on this. Feel bad because you force me to. Feel bad because you infuse this into every aspect of life and society.
It’s so interesting to hear when people with discriminatory views start to change their mind. Hopefully with this woman now she’s started to think about it over time her “opinion” may even actually change, esp. if those closest to her in her personal life are supportive of trans people
Your videos always really help me feel less dysphoric and more proud and accepted. I’m a trans guy (he/him) who also happens to be genderqueer and I’m currently at a new boarding school where some people are very transphobic and I’m in the girls dorm at the moment (though that may change soon!!) There are several non-binary students here and another trans guy, which is helpful, but your videos always make my day. Thank you!!
It really does suck but at least I have my own room and bathroom so I’m not sharing a bathroom with mostly girls. There’s another trans guy here so I’m hoping to move into boys dorm eventually with him as my roommate
I’d be okay with a cis guy. I don’t have a roommate right now but I don’t think any of the girls have a problem with it. I also don’t think any of the girls are transphobic which is nice (some of the boys are though)
My friend tells me that trans!women can't be in Womens!Sports bc "It's not fair"
And then I watch your videos and I'm just like *"Yeah, he's definitely fear-mongering...I'm not even a Woman. I'm Non-Binary...."*
There should be different levels for sports, regardless of gender. Divide people based on skill, and award them for that category.
Trans people can compete against whoever’s skilled enough to go against them (probably other trans people-which, let’s face it, it’d be awesome to see, and encourage more trans kids to join sports).
It would break down differences in ‘men’s’ and ‘women’s’ versions of sport (like softball vs baseball).
It would enhance competition for EVERYBODY, since no one person can dominate the competition.
Everyone wins!
Your friend needs to inform themselves on the effect of HRT on the body in regards to athletic performance. Also, TERFs like to declare every and any female athlete who falls short of their ideal of "dainty, white lady" to be "secretly a man": Chinese women athletes outperform white women athletes while having visible muscle ? Secretly men! Russian woman weightlifter looks like, well, a weightlifter? Secretly man! Black women athletes? Secretly men! Scratch a TERF, find a racist, as the saying goes...
As a nonbinary person, I would ask people their pronouns more often if it was more accepted. A lot of people look at you weird for it and others give joking answers like "it" and "your majesty". I've come out at work and I don't like being called binary pronouns, but I don't push the issue with people partially since I don't want to seem like the annoying snappy LGBTQ person.
If they see you as that for having them respect ur identity, that's a them problem.
I completely understand what you mean. I'm nonbinary too and I would ask people for their pronouns way more but I'm terrified of people being mad at me
Also, i got reminded me of when I was in college and someone asked me for my name and then took me to the side and asked for my pronouns because they didn't want to out me. Honestly made my entire month and nearly teared up because I stopped telling people I was nonbinary as no one took me seriously.
I'm getting my first bottom surgery this month and I'm so excited.
I'll finally be able to stop testosterone blockers!
Woooohooo!
Congrats!
congratulations 🎉❤️
Thank you everyone 😊 love this community of spuds haha
Congrats!
i am 13, use she/they pronouns, and am aroace. my friends at camp are mostly not cishet, my friend group is pretty prideful, and today i wore a lot of rainbows. some people at my camp are pretty ignorant and one person was really bad (referred to me and two of my friends as girls, one is trans masc, and when he said “i’m not a girl” he referred to us as lesbians, im aroace and my other friend is cishet. then he called us theys. not to mention, he didn’t know there was more to the acronym than just lgbtq.) me and some of my friends tried to talk to him and teach him about lgbtq+ stuff, he was pretty confused but seemed overall somewhat open to learning, at first wasn’t the most open to learn, but he got better. really happy that i could help with educating people and tomorrow i’m going to try to show them some trans and queer creators! i’m gonna mention jammidodger (obviously), thequeerkiwi, and sam collins. i’ll update how it goes in the comments!
Your normal, lighthearted content is great, but I really enjoy these more ”serious” videos as well! Even though I’m not trans myself, it’s really comforting to see that progress is slowly being made :)
somewhat unrelated to the video, but holy shit i'm terrified for school to start back up. i'm ftm but very visibly afab, and my very large and incredibly difficult to navigate school has only one gender neutral bathroom. located in the most inaccessible part of the building. with only one stall. it's either spend over half my lunch break going to the washroom, or get harassed in the men's washroom. yay! /s
sorry if this is a little heavy, i just needed somewhere to vent a little. i'll be fine! my school is, all in all, quite accommodating. knowing that doesn't completely erase the fear, though.
hugs. that sounds horrid. if you ever are in crisis, call the trans lifeline at 1-877-565-8860. I hope with all my heart you will be ok.
I think your comment about how including trans men in the argument makes the whole thing crumble is really telling. It shows that there is either not enough access education or they aren't willing to listen (which, given the existence of the internet, probably the latter). It's really sad to see this combination of erasure of trans men and scapegoating of trans women...
I liked this video, and yes, I'd like to see more content like this.
I am just a regular cis-gender hetero woman who likes to educate herself on all topics, and your channel and you are just sooooooooooooo amazing!
I just thought. Do they agree that trans man shouldn't go to women's bathroom? Would they let Jamie in? Don't think so. So, because they are not saying that trans women are predators only that men will pretend to be one go into the bathroom. So I thought, maybe you should argue with them, that if you force people to go to their "born bathroom" men will just pretend they're trans? Does anyone get what I mean? Would this be good argument?
I totally get what you're saying. This is great, use their stupid terf logic against them. So to them, wouldn't it become much easier for men to pretend they're trans men so they have to use the women's bathroom? If there was a law that meant trans people could only use the bathroom of their birth sex, how on earth would that be enforced? How would they be able to tell who's trans or not especially if they had their sex changed on their ID and birth certificate?
It's honestly laughable how little thought terfs put into this argument as it falls apart complete with a some thinking and common sense
His voice is always chilling and satisfying, it sends a shiver down my spine but in a good way, it always is nice to hear. It’s very very calming.
I wonder sometimes, is humanity ok?
No
No
Definitely not
No was it ever?
nah
This whole post reminded me of my mum's favourite phrase "wrong and strong".
I want to add a little horrifying context because Jamie didn't get into it here (rightly so, it wasn't the point of the video) Marjorie Taylor Greene compares mask wearing to the treatment of Jewish people in 1940s Germany... even after visiting a Holocaust Meuseum, so, yeah, the "Are we the baddies" reference is strangely spot on!
Thanks for a deep dive on this post, Jamie. I'd been curious to see what more they had to say in the post since I'd first heard about it.
Imho, I think there's a really good balance on this channel. 😊 Lots of humor & making fun of bullies, but still plenty of serious topics that are important to discuss. 👌🏽🥰
RE:Bathrooms - if someone wants to go into a space with predatory intent, nothing is stopping them now; singling out trans people for harassment won't change that.
This is the only time I've heard a 4channer actually question if they're the wrong one.
_Faith in humanity_ ⏫
Hi! Im a demi, Bisexual! Im also non-binary and use she/they pronouns! Just know that you are loved and that you will be okay! Hurting yourself, ending your life is not the answer! You are wanted and need! Now tale care of yourself and drink some water and eat some food! ❤️🏳️🌈🌸
Happy International Non-binary day!!
@@queen_of_aces1563 aww you too! I that means alot because im non-binary!
Yes I loved this. It's wild seeing how people really will go completely 360 in their minds to justify themselves
I feel like that woman’s friend who works with children said “I get your what you’re saying, but…” to try to address why she’s in the wrong, and she took that as her friend agreeing with her rather than using a conversation tactic
So I’m a cis person and I’m ngl I hesitated at first to put my pronouns in bio, but when I really thought about it and questioned why I was so hesitant, my reasoning was transphobic and cowardly. For a minute I was worried more that random transphobes on the internet might start shit with me, rather than thinking about my trans buddies and how it would help them.
Just putting this out there for any other cis people like me who were hesitating about sharing their pronouns publicly, it’s a really easy way to show support, and more importantly there isn’t a good reason not to share them.