I think The Coffin moans when it rains is because rainfall actually effects the dirt inside. The moans are actually all the people still trapped in the coffin crying out because the moisture is making the earth shift. And when you remember that even The End can't reach the ones buried, it's really horrifying to think about just how many thousands of people are suffering!
One thing I noticed about the buried is it has a weird connection with sleep. The worm fields and the coffin both make a point to not let you sleep and the crate is turned on and off by sleep. The train is also stoped by sleeping. I like the idea that each of the powers has one thing that can stop it. For the lonely it’s accepting death and for the stranger it’s just ignoring it
"In the Vast, there's no one around to hear your screams, and, in the Buried, all screaming will do is waste your air." Okay, DANG. What a fantastic line. I actually never really noticed how the Lonely ties into both the Vast and Buried, but you're absolutely right. It's so fascinating the different ways in which the Entities overlap or oppose each other. Great video, as always! And you have no idea how hyped I am when you eventually get to the End. (Heh)
A detail I love about The Buried is that the Archivist mentioned in passing (I can't remember when, but I swear he did) that the Entity is strongest in the US. It fits so well! Not only does its terrain fit much of the aesthetic- the Dust Bowl, the Rust Belt, the southwest in general- but like you said, Choke is the entity most closely tied to money. And America is... well, I'm sure you already get it.
@@FinalFantasmagoriealso the naming scheme of ‘too close I cannot breathe’ makes me wanna come up with similar names for the other abominations and see if anyone can guess what they’re referring to
@DG_Toti I believe all of those complex names, such as It Is Not What It Is, Forever Deep Below Creation, and I Do Not Know You, were Michael's names for the entities. Why he specifically had his own set of names for the fears is interesting and something I've always wondered about.
Maybe the Buried is the actual opiate to the Eye, and the Dark is the opiate to the Vast. After all burying information is another way of saying hiding information, while it’s hard to know how large a place is when you can’t sense how large it is. Plus the only way Gertrude was only able to hide her plans from Elias by doing it in the tonals under the archives
In a way I like that the buried doesn't have any real characters, because it kinda makes it feel far more menacing as a sort of force of nature, the only real important thing it does in the story is have a coffin that will just torment people for the rest of their lives, no humanity attached, just pure suffering
I recenty visited an old slate mine, ran from the early 1800s until 1986 It had over 20 "chambers", many of which reached the maximum depth of 168m, but they only pumped out the water to 41m It wasn't even that claustophobic outside of the entrance and exit because so much was taken out, but the fact that the temperature is always 9°C down there, no matter how warm it was up there, the echo, the depth of the remaining water, and the lights that they made to flicker to give us a bit more of the feel of how miners with carbide lamps experienced it all made me understand the fear of the Buried more Probably the part that made me realize it most was while standing next to an imposing wall of stone, made along the splitting line of the slate, another person walked up next to me, knocked on the stone which made a hollow sound and then casually broke off a piece before tossing it on the floor It made me aware that the gravel I stood on was probably once part of those walls and was now burying many signes of what people once did down there If I ever go there on my own I am definitely going to do the mistake of listening to Lost Johns' Cave while nearing the bottom
I kinda thought the Buried and the Web were really similar, or at least share a huge similarity in their mind control aspects. The Web controls people as a power by tugging at their will, like Trevor Herbert and the Spider Skin Woman or Ronald Sinclair in MAG 59. The Buried also seems to control people, but in their sleep. This seems to be the case in MAG 2 with the sleepwalking to the coffin key, MAG 97 with everyone walking to The Pit, or MAG 15 when the author sacrifices her sister. This makes sense thematically, as how often do you do something you had to or were forced to because of external circumstances. Also, the Web feeds of paranoia of being ensnared or trapped in someone else’s designs.
@@FinalFantasmagoriehe would find the cure for death just because I like to imagine in season five he was just wandering between the domains just like ‘oh, look, another horrendous form of torture beyond human comprehension… i’mma dismantle it now.’ Maybe he meets up with the dog-walker Robin and they have a vaguely buddy cop-style journey between domains together fighting horrors beyond mankind’s comprehension
In you analysis you take the Buried to be the expectations placed on the creatives for a meta rule I do think it can also apply less meta, as what the characters percoeve as expectations from others, payments/debts, familial obligations, favors to friends,... These also press on the characters, and like the buried they have the ability to isolate the character from the one they feel the obligation coming from Also it can be outside impersonal deadlines that require action or end up with the character getting crushed, from collapsing buildings, to timers on bombs, to submission deadlines to save the orphanage you grew up in from being torn down because it missed the payment for it's property taxes
Names in the style of ‘too close i cannot breathe’ and ‘i do not know you’ ‘it writhes beneath my skin’ ‘i cannot escape the cold’ ‘who goes there? show yourself’ ‘it cares not for us’ ‘that distant song brings death’ ‘i cannot see the end’ ‘to consume or be consumed’ ‘it is what it isn’t’ ‘direction means nothing here’ ‘to the ends of time’ ‘i shall never find rest’ ‘nothing will be left behind’ ‘are you ever really free’ Feel free to give your own opinion as to what you think each one is, I won’t be saying what I had in mind for each of these so people can feel free to discuss differing views!
@@FinalFantasmagorieand yeah it was one of the ones I liked the most when I came up with it, really leaves it open to speculation as to which nightmarish abomination I’m referring to
I've been looking forward to this episode. The Buried has been my favourite entity since I first listened to the series and I've always thought it was kind of a shame that it didn't have more story relevance or recurring characters. A Gravedigger's Envy is probably my favourite episode in the show, being able to hear about the real transformation of an avatar over the years like that and how a person can be affected by one of the entities was super intriguing and relistening to it recently even made me start to think how nice it would be to just lie down in the dirt for a while. This might be just a blind hope but I wish TMP elaborates some more on The Buried and some of it's characters, but but I honestly have no idea what to expect from that show so I guess we'll just have to wait and find out
One thing i noticed is that Hezekiah Wakeley is extremely close to the name of a character in an H.P. Lovecraft book; the character being Hezekiah Wateley. I cant see any inital similaries other than the name, but its a cool connection nonetheless
Where is Hezekiah Wateley from? I can think of the Whateley family from the Dunwich Horror, consisting of Lavinia, Wilbur, and "Old" Whateley, along with the more obviously half-interdimensional demon son, and John Whateley from Fungi from Yuggoth, but I can't think of a Hezekiah. If it's around, though, that's a great find!
Aaaaaa. I wish I had more questions explicitly about the buried. But a comment for algorithm gods. Also here's a theory. What do you think about the idea that Gerry was eventually claimed by the hunt due to hunting down Leitners? Consider how in the same episode of finding out his fate iirc we find out Trevor was dying of tumors. If not that episode we find out about John needing to feed his entity to survive and Trevor kept his scruples but was getting tumors and dying from itc before he became more laize-faire about his targets.
To extrapolate and give a tiny bit more on that idea that I just posed - I feel like an argument could be made that someone who's claimed by the hunt has their own body hunting them down in the way of cancer if they aren't feeding the entity enough.
I binged this series shortly after finishing TMA, and it has been great. It was fantastic watching how your drawing style became better with time, along with the production and the explorations themselves. I'm really glad I got here before the final two entities I do wonder how you're gonna fit The Extinction in your ever stretching metaphor, but I still like it. Great job
There really should have been a recurring Buried Avatar. Maybe a lawman whose desire to deprive others of their freedom lead him to The Buried rather than most cops who become involved with the Powers who choose The Hunt. Maybe he was after some gangsters who turned the tables on him and buried him in the desert, but instead of dying The Buried called to him, gave him the power to make others suffer the way he had. Made him think he'd be using it for good until it was too late... "Gomie, I'm gonna avenge your death..."
Personally I think "plot progression"might work too...i mean like you said the Buried avatars doesn't really do much unless pushed then the story really starts moving like how pressure works...reactive...but that might be a stretch too...as always awesome video
I don't think this reading will surpass yours, but it does tie the buried and vast together a bit better. I think they are meant to be opposite points in the creative process of storytelling. The Vast is the daunting, inconceivable number of places a story can go when you begin crafting it. The Buried is later on when your creativity is restricted by canon and established world building. Taking MAG for an example, when angler fish first released we had no idea what it was or where the series was going. John was the new archivist of the Magnus institute and he records supernatural statements and follows up with three research assistants. The Angler fish could have been a ghost, an alien, a demon, a literal angler fish monster that can lure human prey. I thought the coffin contained a literal mind controlling vampire that gets its victim to house it. There was no way of telling if this was going to be cosmic horror, sci-fi, religious demon horror, or something else entirely at the beginning. By the end of season 2 it is confirmed Sasha is dead (Rest In Power, Queen) when before she could have been possessed or trapped in a hell dimension, but now you can't bring Sasha back even if you found a good story for her. There are just fears as the powers and Gertrude was officially dead. These are things that you can't reconsider, you are constrained by your canon when early on anything was possible.
Do they not all have an antagonistic relationship with all the others at least some of the time? I thought it was all degrees of how willing you are to make temporary truces
God, this is definitely the one I vibe with the least. I dont like being trapped, I'm terrified of drowning or suffocating, I have a lot of money troubles at various times, and in general the Buried and I have beef. I'm named for a god of flight and travel, I'm never gonna like anything trying to trap me (not Athena, my irl name is another one)
I don't think the Prison is a place of any entity. Like Jon says about the Extinction, 'its a thing people are afraid of'. The Prison exists post change because people are afraid of things associated with prisons. No entity is close enough to that fear to claim it, so it stands on its own
Hm... maybe? I feel like there jut wasn't enough said about it to really go either way. I feel like the main issue is time. We obviously don't know what the turn around on rituals is, but the fact that we know for sure a Buried ritual was attempted 56 years later makes me hesitant to say for sure that the dust storm was a attempt. Good idea, though!
@Afton_G_Kier my idea is maybe the person interviewed (Claire? Can't remember her name) was living in the apartment (maybe the same complex) Emma died in. And Emma inherited a bit of fire power from how she died, tied into her curiosity of the powers and her undercurrent of sadism to test them on others.
The TMA Hot Takes post:
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I think The Coffin moans when it rains is because rainfall actually effects the dirt inside. The moans are actually all the people still trapped in the coffin crying out because the moisture is making the earth shift. And when you remember that even The End can't reach the ones buried, it's really horrifying to think about just how many thousands of people are suffering!
"Claustrophobia, being buried alive, underground spaces, and debt."
GASP, NOT DEBTS!!!
One thing I noticed about the buried is it has a weird connection with sleep. The worm fields and the coffin both make a point to not let you sleep and the crate is turned on and off by sleep. The train is also stoped by sleeping. I like the idea that each of the powers has one thing that can stop it. For the lonely it’s accepting death and for the stranger it’s just ignoring it
"In the Vast, there's no one around to hear your screams, and, in the Buried, all screaming will do is waste your air."
Okay, DANG. What a fantastic line. I actually never really noticed how the Lonely ties into both the Vast and Buried, but you're absolutely right. It's so fascinating the different ways in which the Entities overlap or oppose each other.
Great video, as always! And you have no idea how hyped I am when you eventually get to the End. (Heh)
A detail I love about The Buried is that the Archivist mentioned in passing (I can't remember when, but I swear he did) that the Entity is strongest in the US. It fits so well! Not only does its terrain fit much of the aesthetic- the Dust Bowl, the Rust Belt, the southwest in general- but like you said, Choke is the entity most closely tied to money. And America is... well, I'm sure you already get it.
It's Gertrude that theorized The Buried and The Hunt were building their centers of power in America.
Ah yes, the god of crushing capitalism
Ostriches are commonly associated with the act of sticking one’s head in the sand, so that could be the connection
Oooooh that's a good one! I think that does fit the idea.
You neglected to mention that the governor guy also apparently gets people stuck inside walls if he deems them ‘idle workers’
Oh god, yes, good call!
@@FinalFantasmagoriealso the naming scheme of ‘too close I cannot breathe’ makes me wanna come up with similar names for the other abominations and see if anyone can guess what they’re referring to
Though another one technically already exists in the form of ‘i do not know you’
God that literally sounds like working at McDonalds or Wal-Mart
@DG_Toti I believe all of those complex names, such as It Is Not What It Is, Forever Deep Below Creation, and I Do Not Know You, were Michael's names for the entities. Why he specifically had his own set of names for the fears is interesting and something I've always wondered about.
Maybe the Buried is the actual opiate to the Eye, and the Dark is the opiate to the Vast. After all burying information is another way of saying hiding information, while it’s hard to know how large a place is when you can’t sense how large it is. Plus the only way Gertrude was only able to hide her plans from Elias by doing it in the tonals under the archives
My favorite of the dread fear
I love the buried so much. Dirt is comfy.
SAME!
In a way I like that the buried doesn't have any real characters, because it kinda makes it feel far more menacing as a sort of force of nature, the only real important thing it does in the story is have a coffin that will just torment people for the rest of their lives, no humanity attached, just pure suffering
I recenty visited an old slate mine, ran from the early 1800s until 1986
It had over 20 "chambers", many of which reached the maximum depth of 168m, but they only pumped out the water to 41m
It wasn't even that claustophobic outside of the entrance and exit because so much was taken out, but the fact that the temperature is always 9°C down there, no matter how warm it was up there, the echo, the depth of the remaining water, and the lights that they made to flicker to give us a bit more of the feel of how miners with carbide lamps experienced it all made me understand the fear of the Buried more
Probably the part that made me realize it most was while standing next to an imposing wall of stone, made along the splitting line of the slate, another person walked up next to me, knocked on the stone which made a hollow sound and then casually broke off a piece before tossing it on the floor
It made me aware that the gravel I stood on was probably once part of those walls and was now burying many signes of what people once did down there
If I ever go there on my own I am definitely going to do the mistake of listening to Lost Johns' Cave while nearing the bottom
I kinda thought the Buried and the Web were really similar, or at least share a huge similarity in their mind control aspects. The Web controls people as a power by tugging at their will, like Trevor Herbert and the Spider Skin Woman or Ronald Sinclair in MAG 59. The Buried also seems to control people, but in their sleep. This seems to be the case in MAG 2 with the sleepwalking to the coffin key, MAG 97 with everyone walking to The Pit, or MAG 15 when the author sacrifices her sister.
This makes sense thematically, as how often do you do something you had to or were forced to because of external circumstances.
Also, the Web feeds of paranoia of being ensnared or trapped in someone else’s designs.
What about Joshua Gillespie? They couldn't bring him back because he would have defeated the entities in a week.
TRUE. No one would have survived.
@@FinalFantasmagoriehe would find the cure for death just because
I like to imagine in season five he was just wandering between the domains just like ‘oh, look, another horrendous form of torture beyond human comprehension… i’mma dismantle it now.’
Maybe he meets up with the dog-walker Robin and they have a vaguely buddy cop-style journey between domains together fighting horrors beyond mankind’s comprehension
Of course he's going to leave the Certified Hot Goth for the End.
6:58 there's also the stereotype of ostriches sticking their heads in holes in the ground.
In you analysis you take the Buried to be the expectations placed on the creatives for a meta rule
I do think it can also apply less meta, as what the characters percoeve as expectations from others, payments/debts, familial obligations, favors to friends,...
These also press on the characters, and like the buried they have the ability to isolate the character from the one they feel the obligation coming from
Also it can be outside impersonal deadlines that require action or end up with the character getting crushed, from collapsing buildings, to timers on bombs, to submission deadlines to save the orphanage you grew up in from being torn down because it missed the payment for it's property taxes
Names in the style of ‘too close i cannot breathe’ and ‘i do not know you’
‘it writhes beneath my skin’
‘i cannot escape the cold’
‘who goes there? show yourself’
‘it cares not for us’
‘that distant song brings death’
‘i cannot see the end’
‘to consume or be consumed’
‘it is what it isn’t’
‘direction means nothing here’
‘to the ends of time’
‘i shall never find rest’
‘nothing will be left behind’
‘are you ever really free’
Feel free to give your own opinion as to what you think each one is, I won’t be saying what I had in mind for each of these so people can feel free to discuss differing views!
"Who Goes There? Show Yourself" is an emotional attack and I love it.
@@FinalFantasmagoriethanks, I try 💅✨
@@FinalFantasmagorieand yeah it was one of the ones I liked the most when I came up with it, really leaves it open to speculation as to which nightmarish abomination I’m referring to
Another alternative name idea for one of them I just thought of is this
‘tell me what you love’
I've been looking forward to this episode. The Buried has been my favourite entity since I first listened to the series and I've always thought it was kind of a shame that it didn't have more story relevance or recurring characters. A Gravedigger's Envy is probably my favourite episode in the show, being able to hear about the real transformation of an avatar over the years like that and how a person can be affected by one of the entities was super intriguing and relistening to it recently even made me start to think how nice it would be to just lie down in the dirt for a while.
This might be just a blind hope but I wish TMP elaborates some more on The Buried and some of it's characters, but but I honestly have no idea what to expect from that show so I guess we'll just have to wait and find out
One thing i noticed is that Hezekiah Wakeley is extremely close to the name of a character in an H.P. Lovecraft book; the character being Hezekiah Wateley. I cant see any inital similaries other than the name, but its a cool connection nonetheless
Where is Hezekiah Wateley from? I can think of the Whateley family from the Dunwich Horror, consisting of Lavinia, Wilbur, and "Old" Whateley, along with the more obviously half-interdimensional demon son, and John Whateley from Fungi from Yuggoth, but I can't think of a Hezekiah. If it's around, though, that's a great find!
@@FinalFantasmagorie Hezekiah is the real name of Old whateley
Aaaaaa. I wish I had more questions explicitly about the buried. But a comment for algorithm gods.
Also here's a theory. What do you think about the idea that Gerry was eventually claimed by the hunt due to hunting down Leitners? Consider how in the same episode of finding out his fate iirc we find out Trevor was dying of tumors. If not that episode we find out about John needing to feed his entity to survive and Trevor kept his scruples but was getting tumors and dying from itc before he became more laize-faire about his targets.
To extrapolate and give a tiny bit more on that idea that I just posed - I feel like an argument could be made that someone who's claimed by the hunt has their own body hunting them down in the way of cancer if they aren't feeding the entity enough.
Oh, I really love that idea, I’m guessing Julia’s was the Dark trying to track her down and Dasy’s unpressed trona and anger issues
Is the ostrich thing cause of the whole “Burying your head in the sand” thing or am i remembering that wrong
I binged this series shortly after finishing TMA, and it has been great. It was fantastic watching how your drawing style became better with time, along with the production and the explorations themselves. I'm really glad I got here before the final two entities
I do wonder how you're gonna fit The Extinction in your ever stretching metaphor, but I still like it. Great job
There really should have been a recurring Buried Avatar. Maybe a lawman whose desire to deprive others of their freedom lead him to The Buried rather than most cops who become involved with the Powers who choose The Hunt. Maybe he was after some gangsters who turned the tables on him and buried him in the desert, but instead of dying The Buried called to him, gave him the power to make others suffer the way he had. Made him think he'd be using it for good until it was too late...
"Gomie, I'm gonna avenge your death..."
Personally I think "plot progression"might work too...i mean like you said the Buried avatars doesn't really do much unless pushed then the story really starts moving like how pressure works...reactive...but that might be a stretch too...as always awesome video
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The Buried, The Flesh The Extinction and The Slaughter are my favourite entities.
I don't think this reading will surpass yours, but it does tie the buried and vast together a bit better. I think they are meant to be opposite points in the creative process of storytelling. The Vast is the daunting, inconceivable number of places a story can go when you begin crafting it. The Buried is later on when your creativity is restricted by canon and established world building.
Taking MAG for an example, when angler fish first released we had no idea what it was or where the series was going. John was the new archivist of the Magnus institute and he records supernatural statements and follows up with three research assistants. The Angler fish could have been a ghost, an alien, a demon, a literal angler fish monster that can lure human prey. I thought the coffin contained a literal mind controlling vampire that gets its victim to house it. There was no way of telling if this was going to be cosmic horror, sci-fi, religious demon horror, or something else entirely at the beginning.
By the end of season 2 it is confirmed Sasha is dead (Rest In Power, Queen) when before she could have been possessed or trapped in a hell dimension, but now you can't bring Sasha back even if you found a good story for her. There are just fears as the powers and Gertrude was officially dead. These are things that you can't reconsider, you are constrained by your canon when early on anything was possible.
Do they not all have an antagonistic relationship with all the others at least some of the time? I thought it was all degrees of how willing you are to make temporary truces
God, this is definitely the one I vibe with the least. I dont like being trapped, I'm terrified of drowning or suffocating, I have a lot of money troubles at various times, and in general the Buried and I have beef. I'm named for a god of flight and travel, I'm never gonna like anything trying to trap me (not Athena, my irl name is another one)
I don't think the Prison is a place of any entity. Like Jon says about the Extinction, 'its a thing people are afraid of'. The Prison exists post change because people are afraid of things associated with prisons. No entity is close enough to that fear to claim it, so it stands on its own
Same for the Cabin
Do you think the dust storm in that one episode could be an attempt at a Buried ritual?
Hm... maybe? I feel like there jut wasn't enough said about it to really go either way. I feel like the main issue is time. We obviously don't know what the turn around on rituals is, but the fact that we know for sure a Buried ritual was attempted 56 years later makes me hesitant to say for sure that the dust storm was a attempt. Good idea, though!
AFTON, what if the fire ghost in 100 is Emma?
Ooooh, hm. That's an interesting idea. I'll have to look into it.
@Afton_G_Kier my idea is maybe the person interviewed (Claire? Can't remember her name) was living in the apartment (maybe the same complex) Emma died in. And Emma inherited a bit of fire power from how she died, tied into her curiosity of the powers and her undercurrent of sadism to test them on others.
Bro its a common German name