300: Spartans, Snyder & Shenanigans
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- Опубликовано: 27 дек 2024
- There once was a battle in Ancient Greece. Thousands of years later that battle became a comic. That comic became a movie. That movie became a meme. And that meme was forgotten until now.
This is 300.
Twitter: / hubpointless
Chapters:
00:00: Intro
02:07: The Comic
05:40: Zach Snyder
09:15: Characters
11:47: Other Characters
14:12: The Persians
14:30: Legacy
Character animations created by Audimate
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Fun Fact: The fancy new mouth is just an experiment. If you hate it enough I can go back.
That’s the magic of the internet
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give me more mouth.....
wait not like that
i actually like it, personally. keep it!
You went from no mouth, to a mouth that doesn’t move, to a full on realistic mouth.
I like your mouf ;)
The sudden lipsyncing was a pleasant surprise that made me physically recoil in fear
Was just about to comment the same thing.
Thank you, came here to say this.
It looks so good but at the same time I don’t know how I should feel about it
Some laughed, some cried, most look horrified.
It feels like that old unnerving Flash Cargo cartoon where they have animated still frames but splice in footage of live-action mouths. It feels wrong.
The fact that Cody recognized David Wenham as the narrator of Deadliest Warrior and not as Faramir from Lord of the Rings is really funny to me and I don’t know why.
It was almost upsetting :(
What about the side kick to Hugh Jackmans Van Helsing
@@thatrealawkwardguy Karl, He fucks.
To be fair ive only seen LOTR of the three shows and movies mentioned and I absolutely did not recognize him.
This is a true tragedy.
Cody's voice after learning about the Deadliest Warrior connection is literally the most excitement I've ever heard come out of him.
And the way he broke character talking about Spy Kids makes this on of his giddiest videos yet. I love it.
The guy also played Faramir
@@obijuanquenobi1911 Ohh, David Wenham!
I imagine his slow realization during the viewing of the movie directly mirrored that 'Kronos unveiled' scene in Incredibles
yeah me too
"Pure" is the perfect word to describe Zack Snyder. I worked as a zombie on Army of the Dead and he was just all smiles and politeness. Just happy to see his vision playing out.
That’s pretty cool! Did you see yourself briefly in any of the scenes when you watched it? I feel like that would be a fun thing to point out to people lol “at exactly 32:58 im at the top left in the wide shot” hahaha
@@Shiesteywhy did i fucking believe you
@@zogwort1522
He’s not Randian at all.
He liked The Fountainhead for being a story about a artist’s struggles, that’s it.
Otherwise, he’s gone on record saying Rand drank her own Kool-Aid as far as philosophy goes.
Are you for real?
Zack seems like a nice guy all around, to the point that you just _want_ him to succeed... But alas, here we are.
4:24 “he’s more like a negative space illuminated by gold” something about that line just goes so hard
It's the kind of concept that a director focused on visuals, like Snyder, lives and dies for.
This happens a LOT in Frank Miller's work. A Batman or Daredevil in silhouette with just their logos on the chest, or Wolverine with just the claws. Its usually very striking.
That image felt like something Samurai Jack would do, with silhouettes and color contrasts. Hell, this feels like something that's only possible through animation cuz I doubt no amount of vfx is gonna make an image as cool as that (unless they spend waaaayy too long replicating that one scene).
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@@joganesha4151yea that made his sound cooler
You can tell Cody has a higher budget for these videos now since he can actually move his mouth to talk
I wish the budget was lower now
@@anoobyproaz5616 nah it’s dope
@shovelcameo2622 yes I am he
The moving lips are horrible
The uncanny valley has been crossed
Dilios’ actor being the deadliest warrior narrator was actually such a big brain move on Deadliest Warrior’s part
He also sounds like farimir from Lord of the rings
he is @@seaofsalt3505
@@seaofsalt3505he also sounds familiar to the Total War Warhammer narrator/advisor
He is faramir
@@seaofsalt3505that’s cuz he IS Faramir, which makes all this even funnier. Dude was the “he’s literally me” guy before Ryan Gosling.
12:09 "Snyder named this character after his Aston Martin" that has to be the most Zack Snyder thing I've heard in my life. This line encapsulates the man perfectly. "Don't care about historical accuracy, don't care about naming conventions, I'll name this character after a pretentions car company because I own one of its cars."
“Astinos” or whatever his name is is better than “Martin the spartin”. Or “DB-S Superleggera finished in silver provenance birch”.
Why would he care about historical accuracy when he’s adapting a work of fiction (which is loosely based off a real event, but isn’t trying to sell itself as a legitimate historical document)? Zack is adapting 300 by Frank Miller; not making a documentary about the Persian War or even a biopic about Leonidas.
"historical accuracy" did you see the comic he ripped the movie from?
That's like Michael Bay naming a Transformer "Monster" because that's his favorite energy drink, or naming a human character "Mercedes" because that's his favorite luxury car.
@@NexusKin Fun fact, Mercedes is a human name for humans. The company was named after the daughter of a bigshot in the Daimler company. I don't think it's as common overseas, but you can definitely still find people called Mercedes here in Europe. Though it's gotten less popular as a name since it started being associated with a car company over the past ~century.
My ancient Greece professor back in college absolutely loved this movie. He saw it as what the Greeks would have told each other about the battle. His only issue with the entire film was that the mountain was on the wrong side as the Spartans were marching off to war.
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Well, it was told from the point of view of a guy had lost an eye, so don't expect his vision to depict landscapes correctly
I've seen that idea discussed before, and the biggest counterpoint tends to be that the movie is very negative towards the Greek priests and the concept of religion in general that the ancient Greeks never would have subscrubed to.
@@alvedonaren Also there were two kings in Lacedaemon. One was supposed to lead the armies in war while the other stayed at home in Sparta and handled civil affairs. That could've added an extra layer of complexity to the movie.
of all the historical inaccuracies he takes issue with that one because its "historically" inaccurate? That doesnt make any sense he is okay with all the other historical inaccuracies but this one historical inaccuracy he is not okay with? what BS story
Did not expect your mouth to move.
Your animation skills are improving.
I don't know if I should be scared or mortified.
I am glad, as this is the first video he has!
Dear god....
He's evolving
We must contain him before it's too late
@@jamesbackstar8285 It is too late
@@jamesbackstar8285he's evolving... and not BACKWARDS whoo
1. The historian Tom Holland really loves 300 because (he claims) if you imagine the actual Spartans telling the tale of Thermopylae, depicting themselves as muscle-clad badass' fighting ungodly beasts and their degenerate leaders is exactly what they'd do. So in that sense, it IS acurate.
2. The animated mouth is cursed
I think the movie depicts the foreigners as barbarian monsters so ancient hellenes would have loved the shit out of it, albeit observing stuff like "the Ephors were public officials, not girl-licking old men, bro".
Now I wish for someone to adapt the comic "Three" which is made as the "counterargument" against 300
@@samtemdo8 Compelling comic BUT it's not more realistic than 300. Thinking otherwise is delusional.
Spider Man said that?
@@Kaiyanwang82 I don't know what you mean by "they weren't girl licking old men, they were public officials" If our current public officials are anything to go by.... why not both? 🤣
300's visual style is the closest you'll ever get to a live action comic book
How about Sin City? Also by Frank Miller
300 summarized in one sentence:
“SUIC!DE IS BADASS….” 😒
Scott Pilgrim vs the World does it really well, too
Speed racer
@@ddbajoingus speed racer is more like a videogame than a comic, its like rainbow road from mario kart with cocain
That one Persian going incognitus into the shadow was fucking hilarious, it was like an old cartoon with the characters in the dark with only their eyes being present.
Yeah I think it’s supposed to be a reference to xerxes being a negative shadow in gold chains in the comic now that I’ve seen that frame
It's like those Tom and Jerry cartoon transition.
Yea it was mad funny but I look at it like them trying to capture the black and gold Persians out lines in the comic
That's the point
Idk why but I thought that scene was just tryna do a blackface but more badass or something lol
Fun fact. The reason so many of the most memorable lines are historically accurate is because Spartans were specifically trained to reply with badass one liners. So much to the point that the term "laconic" is based on them.
Edit: to everyone calling bull, look up laconic phrases. Spartans would literally be punished if their replies were too wordy. Laconic speech was meant to be precise, blunt and witty. Hence, they were constantly dishing out badass or hilarious one liners. Look them up for yourselves to find some really choice examples.
I doubt that
Idk about that but they did like poetry a lot so they definitely knew their way with words
I don't know about that but Spartans definitely had some of the best retorts you'll hear from history for sure. My favorite was when a visitor came and asked "who is the greatest man in Sparta" and was told "the one least like you"
That's not true. Even to the modern day there are still some great quote from people from the World Wars to the modern day. Some of James Mathis's quotes come to mind. It's not that hard to think that people were capable of saying something clever 2500 years ago@AzureWolf168
Dont dead open inside
I was in the Army when this movie came out and it pretty much broke everyone's brain for about two years. I'm pretty sure it's directly responsible for several war crimes
Holy shit I was too. It was so ubiquitous that when I was in basic at Ft. Sill we were literally the Spartans. Painted a giant spartan on our barracks wall.
I'm sure those war crimes would've happened regardless of the film's existence
What was it like? Did you quote the movie often?
@elevate07 same! Our Drill Sht see the movie like a week after we started and ended up changing our platoon name to Spartans because of it. Had us do the "ha-oooh" chant to get hyped up
hey, maybe that hype helped to win some battles
I worked with his dude who grew up in Haiti and didn't have much of an education. He came to work one day talking about the 300 movie he watched and how good it was.
When I started talking about it and the history behind it he got really confused and said "nah man I'm talking about a movie"
It took a while to get through to explain to him that Sparta was real and that the battle actually happened.
Once he realized what I was explaining to him, he got really excited and exclaimed " woah man that's crazy so like that monster hunchback person was real? That's awesome!"
My dad knew a unit in the army that called themselves the spartans. But they always said lines like “to Valhalla” and other stuff. Dad didn’t know Valhalla was Norse Vikings, but he knew it didn’t sound right. They were confused, but they had spirit.
They were low IQ
"spartans, tonight we dine at buddha's table in Valhalla! ALLAHU AKBAR"
"he got the spirit at least.
The Para troopers specialized for Arctic Warfare in Alaska.
@@boarfaceswinejaw4516, hahaha... You bastard! I laughed out loud and woke the kids. 😂
For king and country! BANZAI!!!
The fact that you recognized Delios’ actor from Deadliest Warrior and not from Lord of the Rings is wild to me. The Faramir disrespect is wild 😂
Cody is Denethor confirmed
Who disrespected Faramir harder, Cody or his own father?
@@Comkill117Peter Jackson for sure. He did Faramir dirty. Book Faramir is way less of a dick.
Honestly, expected him to refer to him from Van Helsing (2014), where he played Carl
@@ravenlord_xix now thats a movie we have to see here
I love how your channel is basically about nerdy stuff that every jock liked. It's something that we don't really get too much of anymore.
I mean that’s the MCU
@@henrynelson9301In the late 2000s, it was this though.
It's because humanity isn't really divided up into strict, puritanical, American stereotypes based around popularity (lol) in school. All those divisions are fictional, and people are multifaceted.
@@Naptosis shut up, nerd
@@Naptosisshut it nerd
I think the main reason as to why the movie is compared so much to the actual real life battle is because the general public doesn't know that it's an adaptation in the first place, the movie became such a big hit and shaped so much the general view of both the Battle and Sparta itself that became something on its own
Also, I personally think the old static frame by frame avatar works better than the new mouth... still respect for the job on it tho
I remember as a teenager learning what the historically accurate "Immortals" looked like and realized that they looked a lot less...intimidating...In their multi-colored pajamas and wicker shields.
The Dan Carlin podcast series on the Persians is really interesting for anyone interested. The Persians were actually rather liberal in many ways. Some even argue they were more liberal than the Greeks at the time, but thats debatable. The Greeks really were an afterthought for the Persians.
@@TheFireGiver
Persians were smart enough not to enforce a different religion on the Jews, making them the only power in history smart enough to actually not poke that bear
Weren't those just ceremonial robes and they didn't wear those into actual battle? I mean there's visibly no armor on those. Obviously before anyone says something to me I know they didn't look like ninjas
@@ManiacMayhem7256 If I remember right, the idea was that they were light infantry that used speed to their advantage. You are right that the robes were probably for ceremonial use as they most likely wore actual armor on the battle field.
@@ManiacMayhem7256 Persians were not really into the entire heavy infantry thing. This was the main reason why they absolutely loved employing Greek mercenaries: they filled a big tactical blindspot. As to the cultural, economic, or doctrinal reasons for this weakness, I can't really say much, but it did cost them many casualties on multiple occasions. From Marathon to the fields of Gaugamela, Persian infantry got butchered by better equipped and trained infantry. A trend that partially remained even into the times of the Roman meddling in that corner of the world, but by then they had adapted with some off-sets, like horse archers.
I once worked with mentally handicaped people, and one of them told me 300 was his favorite historical movie
He then proceed to explain to me for 47 straight minutes the deep lore of his favorite wrestler, assuring me that "it's for real, otherwise they wouldn't get hurt"
Godspeed lil man, godspeed
Well now I gotta know, which wrestler?
He knew the truth.
@@lordtrigon1733 (i don't know much, please forgive me) it was the snake guy ?
He was saying "he has eyes in his back, like a snake, that's why he always know when someone's coming from behind"
So pure
@@etienneloiso3152 Jake "The Snake" Roberts, "The Texas Rattlesnake" Stone Cold Steve Austin and "The Viper" Randy Orton are the most famous wrestlers associated with snakes I can think of. Any of those ring a bell?
"47 minutes of lore" made me assume it was Undertaker or Kane... XD
@@lordtrigon1733 I'll be honest : I have no idea, I was mostly trying to get through the day at that point
To elaborate, for the 3/4 of an hour he explained to me how his "ability" worked, and every relation to others that wrestler had, but he was so happy to talk about it he fumbled a lot
It's really astonishing how people can't seem to tell apart history from fiction even when the movie specifically has a disclaimer and it's stated to be based on a comic.
Maybe because people can't read. That's why
Remember when brain dead morons beat up that kid who played Joffrey in Game of Thrones?
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have you ever met the brain damaged wastes of human space that believe that hack John Norman's bullshit Gorean series? talk about total delusion unable to separate lalaland bullshit from reality
filmmaking, much like the internet is the best and worst thing we've ever invented and will be our downfall.
personally i feel like its actually aged super well visually just cause its so obvious its going for a very specific style instead of being photorealistic or whatever. ive never seen the movie and this is the most ive ever heard of it but i think ill have to watch it im really digging the style
When I was a freshman in high school, we watched 300 in our history class, but it was edited by some company that took out all the violence and nudity for releases. So Leonidas would swing his sword and then would be the most jarring hard cut to some guy falling over with no blood or anything. It was really bizarre having already seen the original version
So the movie was like 20min long?
"This is SPARTA!"
*Cuts to black*
(Leonidas explained their disagreement to the messenger, whom they sent back to Xerxes with a "sorry we couldnt be besties" gift of red meat and wine.)
*Cuts back to Leonidas standing over hole.
So you watched 300 just for the talking? Absolute blue balling
Lol my history teacher didn't give a fuck about censoring violence in historical movies. He showed us Saving Private Ryan completely unedited n class. I remember the very first day we watched it, the whole class period was pretty much the D-day landing scene. It was the most gruesome movie I had scene up to that point. Made me a massive fan of WW2 movies.
So you got the 4kids version.
it cannot be overstated how much credit this movie deserves for motivating young men of this generation to hit the gym
True also based pfp
I don't mean to be a debyy downer but those people soon mellowed out into Reddit armchair "historians"
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@@accountrandomnumber182 no they didn't, that's what knights, vikings, samurai, and the glory of rome does. Anyone who learns enough about Sparta would know it was one of the worst places to live in.
And inspired yet more to download video editing software and CDI cutscenes.
I did not know 300 was so faithful to the original comic. It almost makes me wish other movies were directed like that.
I’m not sure what’s more beautiful: the fact that the same narrator for this film was narrator for Deadliest Warrior, or the fact that Astinos was named after an Aston Martin.
I didn't know it was based on a comic based on an old movie. The fact that it was faithful to the comic book is just amazing, mad respect.
yeah me too!
technically not a comic; 300 was originally a graphic novel.
@@harveylong5878 Same thing.
@@harveylong5878graphic novel is a term invented by and for insecure people
i knew the graphic novel part but not the old movie, makes sense though
Fun fact. The baby killing part was totally real. They've found massive dead baby pits outside many ancient Greek cities, not just Sparta..
Sorry man, thats where I have my dinner. I forgot to clean up
@@c.d.rstudios4691cringe
As were them being mostly gay.
@@noboty4168 😶
Mostly were malformed or not totally fine. This is why they were rejected
I honestly think the biggest impact of 300 is how it changed male beauty standards. Other than unattainable Arnolds/Stallones, male leads were nowhere near as jacked. Suddenly every character is huge and every man feels the need to hit the gym to get BIG.
What? I remember it being every male lead was jacked, and then Die Hard came out and it was ok to just be an un-chemically altered human. Arnold, Stallone, Van Damme, even smaller guys like Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan were absolutely built. Jackedness was the default that got changed when people were making good action movies where muscle didn't matter as much as choreography. Because let's be honest, Van Damme choreography was ridiculous, and Arnold standing in one spot shooting 50 guys at once with one mag just to show off his greased muscles was boring (Of course other Arnold movies are amazing, but that trend was ridiculous.)
Yeah no that happened in the 80s.
The platonic ideal of being JACKED must come back. Not for any sort of beauty standard, but because badass action heroes with every single muscle bulging and veiny is as cool as it gets. GET ME FRANK FRAZETTA MUSCLES AGAIN.
@@terminator572 not gonna happen because the majority of the population has to work sedentary office jobs behind a computer now.
If you want every guy to be jacked then we will all have to do physical labor for at least eight hours a day. That means no electricity and no movies.
Cross Fit was made into a thing because of this.
"No movie has ever looked like this again, nor would it ever dare to" is the best 300 take
The best way I remember this movie being described to me was that the whole movie is told like a Greek legend. The troll men, the deformed betrayer, the god Immortals, Xerxes himself and even the Spartans all have the hallmarks of Greek hyperbole, which is especially reinforced with the single man sent back to tell their tale.
I’m also glad you gave Zach Snyder some slack. He was saddled with an impossible ta of making a Marvel style universe with only three movies, something no director in history could do. Hopefully one day, we’ll look back on him fondly.
It'll probably happen when the kids who grew up with his DC movies get old enough to start getting their first wave of nostalgia. The same thing happened with the Star Wars prequels and to a lesser extent Spider-Man 3
I mean, it helps that 300 is just “glorified violence: the movie,” which is something that is right up Snyder’s alley. He’s basically an angsty Michael Bay when it comes to his visual directing; he likes to make action look cool and dirty.
It’s not just that WB wanted him to rush out a cinematic universe, but his vision for that universe showed a clear lack of understanding of how certain characters should act. He made Superman an emotionless god with constant Jesus/messiah symbolism and he turned Batman into a psychopath who shoots and murders people. They’re more akin to parody or what you would see in a bad Elseworlds story than a proper representation of those characters.
Also the story being told is from an unreliable narrator who is likely embelishing the story in order to "hype up" his men before battle. Within that lens I would argue that the exagerations and inacurracies are "resonably acceptable" in that context.
@@Batterskull "but his vision for that universe showed a clear lack of understanding of how certain characters should act. He made Superman an emotionless god with constant Jesus/messiah symbolism and he turned Batman into a psychopath who shoots and murders people."
Flat out wrong take. It wouldn't surprise me if you was even knowingly talking shit
Heroditus would be proud
The Taliban scream from Deadliest Warrior will *never* not make me laugh. Thank you Cody for blessing us with this divine clip yet again.
It's physically and mentally impossible to mention Deadliest Warrior without remembering about the IRA vs. Taliban clip.
It's not divine
What really elevates it is playing “Come out Ye Black and Tans” to add to the hilarity
@@CollinMcLean It was a pun about how there are 2 IRAs, or it was a mistake by Cody?
@@copmmer6117 Wait what?
This is the most loyal a movie has ever been to any base material in cinematic history.
...with maybe the Adventures of Tintin by Spielberg as a close second.
That's A Nickelodeon Movie
@@princewellidkand?
@@anth636 it is A Nickelodeon Movie
It was based on a Belgian comic book series. It doesn't matter who distributed the movie...@princewellidk
You basically go through all my Guilty Pleasure and I am all for it
300’s a guilty pleasure for you?
I think it’s genuinely a good movie imo lol
@@justaguyonyoutube4592 Yeah well I agree it’s a actually my third favorite movie of all time but I meant that more in the sense that the movie definitely has flaws that other people can criticize but I love it nevertheless and appreciate other parts of it much more
His coverage of WWZ was so unexpected
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@@gangslanginvicelord1648 What?
As an Iranian I remember talking about the movie at school with my friends and giving each other copies. Since we were young, we weren't too concerned with the actual story and just marveled at the cool visuals.
I mean, if they did end up losing, it did make the Persians look pretty badass in their own right
It did you guys dirty for sure
I think this is the first time I see an Iranian laid back about this movie. I remember when this movie came out all the fuss Iran made claiming that this movie was another Western attempt to vilify Iran and so on. Even my Iranian classmates were kind of wondering and upset why I watched the movie. Claiming the movie "It hates Iranians".
@@cobra8888 I grew up playing Battlefield games in which they invade Iran, or movies in which Iranians are the villains. These anti-Iran narratives definitely exist, but I'm not salty about it, because saltiness is a sign of weakness.
We have a history full of glory and power that spans thousands of years. If we want to show that to the world, then we should fund our own multi-million dollar filming industry, instead of begging western countries to depict us fairly.
@@CarpenterBrother I like your attitude. Respect Brother.
Cody you honestly bring up a great point when mentioning how people often overlook the fact that 300 is not a direct adaptation of a historical event. I know a lot of people can dismiss by that fact alone but considering its an adaptation of a very visually striking graphic novel really makes me appreciate it in a new light
I always kind of interpreted it as Faramir recollecting the Battle of Thermopylae in his own words in order to psyche his men up before a battle by exaggerating every detail but that's just me. I didn't know the movie was based off a graphic novel until recently
idk why he acts like he's dropping truth bombs or fact checking the fucking historical facts of a Frank Miller graphic novel.
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The youtube channel History Buff, had a cool take on the film. The film itself is being told through the perspective of Dilios, the man that was sent back to Sparta to tell the story of the 300 Spartans. So, it kind of makes sense that the story he tells is highly fictionalized and super dramatic. He's telling a legend that glorifies the Spartans as a ragtag group of underdogs, and demonizes the Persian (literally, like the immortals being these undead immortal demons) and the Persians having millions of slave soldiers, Xerxes being 8 feet tall and so on.
This is still Snyder’s best movie by a decent margin.
Watchmen was better
@@ThwipThwipBoom Agreed. Watchmen is incredibly flawed but it has parts that are just excellent, and so I do still think it's better. The opening credits set to the Times they are a Changin' especially which are just perfect.
My favourite one is the Dawn of the Dead remake.
That's honestly sad
justice league snyder cut was def my favorite out of his movies. Although I did really enjoy his previous dc movies, even bvs despite its numerous flaws.
We all have to admit, as painful as it is to admit that there's a sequel to this, it's worth remembering it only BC Cody'll make a video about that monstrosity
I thought it was pretty good ;-;
@@thatkidwiththehoodie It has some cool individual scenes and a great soundtrack and I appreciate the presentation of often-overlooked ancient naval battles (even if intentionally hyper-exaggerated), but the whole story in general is far less compelling and there was really no need whatsoever for the deeply uncomfortable hatefuck scene with themistocles and artemisia
@@sulphuric_glue4468 yeah, I get that. I have a decently high tolerance for sex scenes, I suppose, but I totally get it if that scene was a dealbreaker for people. A critic I used to watch described the scene as a “who’s raping who?” kind of scenario, which… Hoo boy. It’s an interesting concept, I’ll say that, but… yeah, definitely dicey.
The only good thing about the sequel is Eva Green...
what you didnt like the persian sea monsters
As a Greek, I remember how much this movie had gotten memed about, but legit didn't know it ever had a sequel, now you have to make a video on that and maybe Meet The Spartans too, double feature!
I second that notion.
Meet The Spartans definitely needs some love and attention!
I watched the sequel only a few weeks ago, and I can't for the life of me remember a single thing that happened in it. Truly the mark of a great movie.
You were SOOO right at the end. historical fiction, even if not true to the accuracy, helps people invite themselves to what the history of something is all about. I remember watching 1917 in theatre and it was how I got into the world of the great war, later I realized that there were so many things the movie got wrong with historical accuracy, but it still remains one of my favourite war film in ever.
Did you know that WW1 was actually done in a single take! Also, a lot of the dialogue and minor plot points were actually improvised and it was just the main elements that were scripted.
same with video games like age of empire, red alert, age of mythology. It really turn you into geography and history nerds.
300 (both the comic and the movie) always struck me as how the Spartans might embellish the tale as a myth or legend. I mean, even Herodotus around this era was taking significant liberties with history and played fast and loose with "facts"
Yep. "300" is the tale of Thermopilae as told by Spartans if they had somics/movies back in 400s BC.
And Miller art and stylistics in the comics feels much like "greek vase art meets impresionism" 😉
I tuned out a little while making dinner and my name happens to be Caleb. I definitely did a double take when you hit me with that, "Fuck you, Caleb."
And you did not, by any chance show someone a random episode of breaking bad when you were younger?
@@luipaardprint lol, definitely did. And I grew up/live in Texas just like Mr. Pointless Hub. There is a small possibility I am indeed that Caleb he told to fuck off.
@@mrgiggles5555 I choose to believe this is true with no further evidence required
If you are the Caleb that put that episode for him f you🤣
Yeah Caleb, how about paying attention for once
As much as I enjoy this movie, what kinda makes me sad is that another movie on the battle of Thermopylae, based on one of my favorite books Gates of Fire, was cancelled in production partly due to the success of 300.
It's much more historically accurate and detailed, was reading material for the Marines, and even earned the author an honorary Greek citizenship.
That's so sad.
That's indeed sad.
Why tho?
Today a movie is successful and determines what cinema during the next decade will be like (for better or worse)
@@GarkKahn perhaps they thought a realistic depiction of the same event would be overshadowed by the ultra stylized ultraviolence of 300.
Sad but IMO it wouldn't have been as successful as 300 because 300 went with a Mythologised, stylised look and not exactly accuracy and did it really well.
I see 300 less as an Epic Historical film and more like a Fantasy film made from the perspective of an Ancient Spartan which makes it a goid excuse as to why it both looks so weird and the Persians and Athenians are depicted the way they are, because what Spartan wouldn't imagine them as such.
I finally understand why people like Zack Snyder. He's like a comic fan that can direct movies.
😂 No he can’t. Rubble Moon.😂
16:25 That edit with the Elite nearly killed me.
Fantastic video, as always!
That caught me off guard💀
Saaaame
Should’ve been a 40k ork
It fit so well too 😂
@@goldenfiberwheat238FOR THE EMPEROR!!!!
If you ever feel stupid, just remember that there are people who think this film is an accurate recreation of what happened in real life
Life is probably more interesting for those people and the guys who actually buy into stuff like Mudfossil University.
And if you ever feel stupid, remember that there's people who think Snyder and Miller are honest to God far right totalitarian fascists
Probably Far Right.
@@nobleman9393
Radicals will believe in anything ye
😒
Frank Miller is one of the funniest minds to come out of comics. He had it all at one time. A career defining run on Daredevil, his Batman work, Sin City, Ronin, and 300. And then 9/11 happened and he lost his mind.
Let me guess: He turned racist and blamed all Arabs for the attacks and made them villians in his stories.
@@michaelknox3715 Yup. So much so he actually planned on making a Batman story called "Holy Terror, Batman!" (yes, really) where he'd go toe to toe with terrorists. DC quickly shot him down, but he still ended up making the comic with his own original characters
@@stevepensando2593 at the very least he regrets making the batman vs terrorist story nowadays.
Still it's kinda funny how the same man wrote one of the best Batman story (The Dark Knight returns) and also one of the worst (All star Batman & Robin)
@@marocainforlife "Who do you think I am? I am the goddamn Batman"
I'm pretty sure he already lost his mind having to compete with Alan Moore
The scream of the Sangheli mixed in between the scream of Xerxes at the end is fucking classic. I'm still giggling and laughing. 🤣
The sudden mouth movement was very scary cause I wasn't expecting it, but very cool. It strangely made it feel like a jump in production quality for such a simple animation. I love it!
To anyone who read Frank Miller's 300 and had some questions, I can't recommend enough the graphic novel Three, by Kieron Gillen and Ryan Kelly. A direct response to Miller's blatant mythologizing, told from the perspective of three runaway Helots (Sparta's slave class conspicuously unmentioned in 300) it ruthlessly examines not just the cruelties of Spartan society, but how those cruelties weakened it and ultimately ensured its extinction. One of my favorite lines from the story exemplifies this: "Everyone knows Sparta's true ruler. The Ephors and the Kings jostle, but fear reigns supreme. When there's ten of the little people for every one of you, how else can it be?"
That's their whole gimmick. They had to be cruel. Their survival dependent on this. They were surrounded by enemies and much stronger city states by them.
You can say their system weakened them ( which is highly debatable as it is) but also whats beyond doubt is that they'd be long before extinct without it.
@@GothPaoki
I don't agree with having to be cruel. I get being warriors and even being harsh in training, but having trainees kill slaves while they sleep seems a bit much (unless the slaves were allowed to kill back, but still)
@@GothPaoki „They were surrounded by enemies and much stronger city states“
This is false, Sparta was the largest Greek city state in terms of both land and population by a wide margin. The Spartans were actually rather mediocre militarily and their state was weaker than you’d have expected a state of that size to be due to the backwardness of their economy and political structure. And no, the brutal oppression of the helots was not necessarily.
@@laecard1778 Sparta WAS not always the biggest dog in the area. This is a fact and not an opinion.
If you look at the map of the area pre 800 BC you'll see Sparta was a small batch of infertile mountain land . They were surrounded by much larger cities like Messenia and especially Argos which was a much bigger player in the greek world back then and was an important religious center. These cities were larger than Sparta, more populous , stronger economically and had more colonies than Sparta which only had at the time one colony in southern Italy . So no Sparta was not the largest city.And if you actually visit the site of the ancient city you'd actually realise that.
It's not untill the 8 century bc that Sparta conquers the fertile lands of Messenia and actually gets to be an actual player on the greek world. As to the Spartans being mid warriors i don't even have a response for such a retarded comment.
@@GothPaokiThe Spartans had a good army, but that mainly relied on their professional officer corps (which everybody else did not have), and their legend. Meanwhile, when actually fighting professional soldiers, they got beaten pretty regularly, most famously by The es Sacred band
Spy Kids 3D! Man that is a deep cut. I also love that you used the Elijah Wood cameo to represent the film. As a massive fanboy for the LOTR movies, seeing Frodo Baggins randomly show up just to immediately die is one of the most memorable parts of the film for me.
That was Spy Kids 3D?!?!?? I thought that was just a deleted scene in Return of the King
I can't help but think. If Gerald Butler has a dollar for everytime people used his image of Leonidas on a meme, he would be a trillionaire.
13:16
That realization, holy hell. It explains SO MUCH. Having watched a ton of deadliest warrior, it gave me the goofiest smile in a while when you showed it. I can't believe it, and yet it makes so much sense.
I think “Meet the Spartans” was the first R-rated movie I ever saw in theaters, and I’ll just have to live with that
I thought that was PG-13?
@@benjipc5637It is, but the OP will still have to live with the knowledge that they willingly watched _Meet the Spartans_ at all, much less in theaters. Shame.
You poor man.
12:15 “Poor Aston Martin”
Not gonna lie, that bit nearly killed me. I laughed into a coughing fit
Crying in the kitchen laughing and my sides hurt
College professor of ancient greek history was forced to show the movie to us, he had his face in his hands 70% of the time, 20% gesticulating against the scenes and the remaining 10% trying to ignore the screams of pain in his mind by staring into the screen
Frank Miller not wanting people to hate his main characters is WILD considering what he went on to make later.
What was that?
sin city?
What did he make later?
Is this about Holy Terror?
The Dark Knight Strikes again, which made Batman a complete asshole who’s methods drove Robin to become the Joker.
There was Holy Terror, a racist, islamophobic screed that was originally supposed to be a Batman comic that was shut down by DC for being a hate filled piece of propaganda.
And then there’s the infamous All Star Batman and Robin, which gave people the worst version of Batman ever.
The absurd monster like appearance of the Persians comes from the fact that the story is being told by the Spartans so they're obviously going to make them seem way more evil and themselves more heroic
That's the way it was back then. Historians ALWAYS depicted the enemies as strong, fierce and very numerous (to hilariously exaggerated amounts) to make their own side look extremely heroic when they defeated them.
Would historians write like that today the Nazis really would be described as the Ubermenschen they thought to be with tanks and troops counting in the Billions.
@@Tokru86To an extent, we still do. Just look up all the bullshit the history channel saids about the Germans in ww2.
@@Tokru86Well Wehraboos do exist so…
@@obijuanquenobi1911Tf is wehraboo
@@natebox4550 The history channel can hardly be considered a reputable source. I meant that if historiography today was like in Ancient Greece, reputable history professors at Harvard or university textbooks would describe events/circumstance like you'd see on Ancient Aliens.
The moment I learned this was based on a comic, almost 6 years after the movie came out, it all immediately made sense and I liked it so much more.
7:12 That's actually super dope. How many times does a book/comic get accurately portrayed in a movie? And it worked! As ridiculous as it is, we all loved it lol
Fun fact: the real life Xerxes had a servant whose only job was to say to him, every single day, “Remember what the Spartans did,” so his rage would never cool and he’d never forget why he was waging the war.
This is incorrect, Darius supposedly had a servant tell him “remember the Athenians” because they had burned the Satrapal capital of Sardis, but that was prior to the first invasion. I doubt even that story is true, but it was never told about Xerxes
Fun fact: the persians was MONSTERS
ancient history has almost no "fun facts" it's just stuff some guy said you can never substantiate
@@galisapal3103were
@@galisapal3103 the Persians banned slavery and all the Greeks had slavery, that's a pretty big point in favour of the spartans
13:36 He is also in some small indie movie called The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers. most of you never heard of it.
I watched a movie about the biblical figure of Esther with a friend the other day.
*My friend was confused that King Xerxes in the Esther movie didn’t look like King Xerxes from 300.*
“Oh no,” was all I thought.
I love how the Spartans called the Athenians "boy lovers" when the Spartan's famous "comradere" comes from the adult instructors getting reeeeeeal close with the young spartan trainees
"Alright boy, time for your first lesson about Spartan swordsmanship."
"But that's not a sword. That's you're ----"
"First lesson: polishing."
@@ChimeraMK 💀
All this propaganda about Ancient Greece to make them gay is crazy
@@frfras7 I mean homosexuality was pretty common in Ancient Greece
Granted it's not the same kind of homosexuality as in the modern times, one could argue it was deeply rooted in misogynistic attitudes towards women in Ancient Greece. And it took forms like pederasty, which is pretty bad.
All in all this particular aspect of Ancient Greek civilization should be neither denied nor applauded. It ought to be examined and studied like any history should be
@@dragonfell5078 modernist revisions
This is the best historical documentary made yet and it shows you don't need to trade accuracy for entertainment value
I hope nobody thinks this comment is unironic.
I mean, it’s accurate as to how the Greeks thought about themselves and in relationship to the Persians😅
Here’s another way of saying it:
300 is how the Spartans thought of themselves
That giant hole is how they actually were…in multiple meanings
Still more accurate than the CLeopatra "documentary" :D
Not exactly accurate but still more respectable to the history of the Greeks than Cleopatra was.
Not to mention that 300 was based on a comic series by the same name too.
The comic of 300 visually makes me think Genndy Tartakovsky might have been somewhat inspired by it for Primal.
You're not too far off, seeing how an episode of Samurai Jack had Jack meet a group of 300 Spartans fighting a seemingly never-ending army of robot minotaurs, and there were definitely a lot of visuals cues straight out of both the comic and film.
@@zaragozrexthe concept of Samurai Jack itself is probably taken from a Frank Miller comic, Ronin, where a samurai is somehow sent to the future along with his demon arch nemesis. He even has a magic sword that can’t that the blood of innocents. Of course there’s a big twist in Ronin that Samurai Jack didn’t take, but I don’t wanna spoil it.
@@dajokahbaby1506I just looked up what it was and it seemed really dumb and makes me glad samurai jack didn't do it.
@@Distophicspoil me, I’m not gunna watch it and I wanna know.
I think what makes 300 work compared to Zack Snyder's other comic book adaptations is that while he tends to nail the aesthetic of the original comics, he also tends to miss the actual themes of those stories. With 300, he doesn't have to worry about that, because it's hard to screw up the story of the rise of fall of the Spartan army.
What about watchman 🤥
@@benclark4823 Snyder took a work that satirized and deconstructed how abhorrent the violent vigilantism of superheroes would be if it was real, and made it a stylized movie about how cool violent superheroes are.
@@danic_c he still made it pretty closely to the original comic 🤨
Also you should watch the critical drinker review before you say otherwise 🙄
@@danic_c this is just my opinion but as someone who watch the movie without reading the comic i disagree. The first time I watch it I was shock how much of an assholes those heroes were. I didn't feel in any momment that they tried to make the Comedian or Rorschach the "good guys".
And I feel the same thing by reading the comic after seeing the movie.
JAY FR Topic - Will You Remember, after this yall ? or b4 it??
5:32 the cut of zach snyder as Godrick the Grafted is honestly just phenomenal
14:10 caught me off guard so badly I really can't tell if this was edited or if that was actually from the movie
It is in the movie iirc, still gives me serious uncanny valley vibes all these years later.
15:25 my first R-rated movie was ROBOCOP!!! It was on VHS (yes I'm old), and it was when my parents weren't home. My little 9 year old brain was BLOWN AWAY AND IN LOVE with this movie!!!!
I haven't seen 300 since it came out, I didn't know it was based on a comic, i thought it was legit. I didn't find out til months later it was a comic book movie, and for some reason, I never went back to it. I need to give it a rewatch, and I thank you, Cody, for inspiring me to do so!
15:51
Strongly agree.
Between 300, God of War, Troy, Immortals, Clash of the Titans etc. I got me and a lot of people interested in Ancient Greek/Spartan culture.
Then it happened again but with the Vikings.
Between Vikings, God of War (love how GoW also even played a huge part in Scandinavian culture here as well) The Last Kingdom, AssAssins Creed Valhalla, and Thor movies. Also got people highly interested in Viking/Scandinavian culture
But did it really? In my experience, Spartaboos don't really care much for actual history. They just want to have their beliefs reaffirmed that Spartans were really badass and better than everyone and cool and masculine and rolemodels for modern "alpha men". Same with vikings.
@@swagromancerit worked for my Dad back when he first watched 300, he owes that movie for introducing him to his fascination of ancient (Greek) history. And My sister too, but for her it was Clash of the Titans, she's a Greek Mythology Nerd (as of now she's expanding her horizons to Norse Mythology). So it does have an effect, to some extent... and it's more of an "awakening" for lack of a better term
Vinland Saga too
@@joganesha4151 That's great for them, really. But sadly far from the norm.
Most people casually "interested in history" have a preconceived notion of what any given historical period was like, and all they want is information that's in line with what they already believe. Some even actively hate scholarly research that updates our understanding of the past.
@@swagromancer I wouldn't mind the fascistoid themes in the movie if there weren't people taking them seriously or just not noticing them. Like, I really like the movie, but I am zero surprised about who it appeals to and why. It certainly isn't for historical interest.
*kids today don't realize how amazing it was to see this back in the day*
300 is also Michael Fassbender's first credit in a movie instead of a TV show or play, which is hilarious to me.
Really? That is an interesting bit of trivia.
7:50 “true genre should just be called f*** yeah” I love it 🤣
Such an entertaning movie. I remember a lot of people took it WAY too seriously back then, as if the super stylized visuals didn't scream "I'M A WORK OF FANTASTICAL, OVER-THE-TOP FICTION" loudly enough, so folks walked out of theater disappointed because they didn't get a grounded, realistic documentary. The performances were fun as hell, especially from Gerard Butler, Lena Headey and Rodrigo Santoro.
Not to mention that the entire movie is told from the perspective of a spartan that left at least halfway through the battle and was probably making a bunch of shit up to seem way cooler.
14:55 Every time I'm reminded of Meet the Spartans, I don't remember the time I literally watched the movie, I remember the fact that one of my college friend's dad worked on it.
The "this is sparta" techno song will live in my heart for as long as I live.
Gerard Butler absolutely killed this role he looked and acted like a psychopath 😂
I haven't even seen the film many times, and not in many years, and even I'm surprised anyone could forget that Butler's Leonidas was the quippy, cocky, smartass kind of badass. It seems so central to his character.
Not really
Watching his mouth move takes the uncanny valley to whole nother level
15:32 the odds of being named Caleb and watching this video
It's funny how with this movie Zack Snyder wanted to be the more comic acurate as possible, and then with all the other comic book adaptations he did the exact opposite
Basically you did not watch his movies
And don't forget never getting the message of them. Literally the "comic accurate shots" can be also label as out of context comic panels
Yeah, when Cody tried to say that the perfect description for Snyder was, "pure", no, the proper description is edgy for edginess' sake. Yes, I am still mad about the meat cleaver scene. Why do you ask?
@@jeffreyfiegen1538 Edgy for the sake of being Edgy without understanding the source material
Funny that he chose to be accurate here, and then chose to use the source material more loosely to varying degrees? Well, I guess that qualifies as 'funny' on some bizarrely obscure level...
Two things.
1. I still fondly remember bringing the DVD on a school trip to watch in the bus. We didn't even make it 30 minutes in before I was politely asked by the present teachers, who were already lightly shocked by the menu, to switch it off, because they found it a bit, well, violent.
2. Leonidas is fantastic Belgian chocolate!
DESPITE how other people see this movie... I genuinely love this movie. I remember being blown away by this film in theatres when I was 15, & I even bought the album on full price after the movie. It inspires me in so many ways with my personal work & love for history.
It and the Northman are probably the most immersed I've ever been in a movie
What’s hilarious is I was showed the Thermopylae scene from 300 in my 7th grade history class as an accurate rendition of the real battle. Wild.
Crazy how Gerard Butler went from sad boy phantom to KING LEONIDAS OF SPARTA in like 3 years. What a range
I also remember him playing Attila the Hun in a TV movie.
one of the worst actors in HW
Now try watching him - skinny af and like 20-ish - in Dracula 2000. I dare you.
JAY FR Topic - Will You Remember, after this yall ? or b4 it??
I saw the Atilla movie after the 300 one, but it took me about half the movie to recognize him. Was crazy.
Boy that Covenant Elite at the end got me good.
Laughed my ass off.
Holy hell, the Elite at the end of the video caught me off guard and I burst out laughing.
Thanks Cody; I needed that.
The way that the actual Leonidas said the line was way more badass. The scout came to him ranting about how there were so many Persians that their arrows would blot out the sun. Leonidas responded by thanking his scout for information because now him and his men would fight in the shade instead of the hot sun.
As a persian,usually people around me after watching this movie would end up offended or angry, but for me it was just straight up hilarious.
When you think about it, in a modern perspective, the Persians were closer of being the good guys than the Spartans. The Spartan society was downright brutal, with so much messed up traditions that the Geneva Convention and the Human Rights would fill bookstores with it.
@@lisboah nevermind the persians were more slave happy than the spartans with heavy political turmoil and there own penchant for war crimes so no that's not true
@@marley7868 If you think the Persians were brutal wait until you learn about their predecessors: Assyria. Those guys where the nazis of Ancient Mesopotamia, and most of the good reputation the Persians enjoy until today is in part due to how immensely more moral they're in contrast.
@@pascalausensi9592, yeah, the Acheamenid Empire (especially under Cyrus the Great) was probably the chillest empire in the ancient world. You know, relatively speaking.
@@pascalausensi9592 I'm aware but the persians are the topic at hand
The elite at the end really tied it all together for me 😂
from what you pointed out, this seems to be one of the best live action adaptations ever made
Holy shit the elite at the very end made me absolutely lose it. Rewatched those precious seconds many times
A new Pointless Hub right after watching a new Wheel of the Worst? This is amazing timing
Oh my gaaaaaahhhhd!
I'm hoping it's a children suicide video
As someone named Caleb, I was briefly zoned out until being told to fuck off. Thank you for keeping me focused ❤ 15:40
You deserve it. All Caleb's should be ashamed.
300 is like the most raw & full on crazy action flick that only Zack Snyder can do. And given his full control over Rebel Moon I'm so hyped for that.
I absolutely loved the movie, the ending gave my the biggest goose bumps I’ve ever gotten in my life.